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ron desantis has his eyes on the white house. new exclusive reporting from nbc news that the florida governor is set to jump into the 2024 race as early as next month in just a few weeks, but he may have other things on his mind right now as the war of words between him and disney has turned into a legal showdown disney just filing a lawsuit alleging an orchestrated campaign to punish the media giant and desantis firing back overnight. >> i don't think the suit has merit. i think it's political i think they filed, you know, in tallahassee for a reason because they're trying to generate, you know, some district court decision, but we're very confident on the law >> plus, in a new -- in just a few hours, the airman accused of leaking classified documents is due back in court. this as new overnight filing alleges jack teixeira kept an arsenal of weapons in his house and talked about carrying out a

mass shooting. and later montana republicans voting to ban the state's first transgender lawmakers from the house floor what's next for representative zooey zepher. let's begin with the nbc news exclusive reporting shaking up the field this morning nbc news national correspondent gabe gutierrez is in jerusalem with ron desantis on his overseas trip. >> reporter: good morning, four gop operatives familiar with the conversations tell nbc news that governor desantis is poised to enter the presidential race as soon as mid-may. he's in this historic city to talk trade, but it's a major business back home that could be overshadowing this trip. this morning florida governor ron desantis is in jerusalem, a potential presidential candidate on the world stage. >> the united states should be a strong ally to israel. >> reporter: four gop operatives now tell nbc news desantis could enter the presidential race by

mid-next month, but even while he criss-crosses the globe on a trade mission aiming to attract jobs to florida, his state's largest single employer disney is accusing him in a new lawsuit of being anti-business and orchestrating a targeted campaign of government retaliation. the federal suit announced just moments after a panel of desantis allies voted to invalidate disney's decades old deal with florida that gives itself governance as part of a special tax district desantis's feud with disney has dramatically escalated ever since the entertainment giant opposed florida's -- which critics dubbed the don't say gay bill last year it banned classroom instruction of gender orientation. >> you touted your record of bringing jobs to florida, main employer in your state now is coming back and saying that you are anti-business in this new lawsuit. what's your response to that

>> i don't think the suit has merit. i think it's political. >> reporter: but some prominent republicans are slamming desantis for picking a fight with mickey mouse. >> if disney would like to move their hundreds of thousands of jobs to south carolina and bring the billions of dollars with them, i'll let them know i'll be happy to meet them in south carolina. >> former president trump's campaign blasting the governor's overseas trip, releasing this calendar graphic showing the days desantis has been away from florida. >> i always had a good relationship with him, and then once the midterm election happened, he started taking shots at me. >> reporter: governor desantis is expected to meet with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu here today before wrapping up his global trip by visiting the uk. back to you. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez, thank you for that reporting. and now i want to bring in robert gibbs, former white house press secretary under president obama, and former republican congressman from florida, david jolly. gentlemen, thanks for being here this joverseas trip is

essentially being overshadowed by what's happening at home. i have to think desantis made the calculation this fight with disney would help him politically. disney is a massive economic power house for florida. disney world has tens of millions of visitors every year. they employ more than 75,000 people in that state, and the tourism impact, look at that, 75 billion per year is the estimate, and so you heard nikki haley there saying come to south carolina we'll take you why is desantis still picking this fight do you think it's going to backfire >> vanity and vengeance, very basic human emotions, and it is not political leadership nor the leadership you want from your governor identifies. t governor's office. even if they were legal, the question is one of motive. ron desantis acted in retribution. he used the powers of his office to secret seek retribution

on that this lawsuit does have a lot of merits. it's not just critics from outside the state. last night the former state republican chair now a state senator actually became the first republican to break from ron desantis and to tell the governor stop picking on disney when the state senate had a vote last night on the next round of penalties, rue ter said i'm not with you he was a no vote, and he took a traditional republican opinion in saying let's let the consumers power of the purse determine whether or not they like what disney's doing or not. let's not have the heavy hand of government do that so joe gruter is being the first where we're seeing cracks among florida republicans. nikki haley asked a good question, if you are disney you have billions invested in the state, decades invested in the state. certainly you're not going to pick up and move but at what point is the breaking point when the governor is saying you're not welcome in our state it's a bad fight the governor's

picked, one he will lose. >> and he's losing momentum as he's preparing to make some keend of an announcement, we're told, in the next few weeks. we do know that the florida senate just passed a bill yesterday that would allow desantis to run for president without having to resign as governor congressman, real quick, do you think that he's just been waiting for this bill to become law before he jumps in and was that always likely his calculation? >> well, that's always been a hurdle for him, so he's passed a very culture war agenda in the legislature that's aligned with his presidential ambitions florida has a restriction. you have to resign the governorship to run for president. his allies in the state legislature have just passed an accommodation. when does it become effective is a big question the first step for desantis may be an exploratory committee. >> robert, we do know desantis has been trailing trump according to the latest nbc news poll at least. what do you see as desantis's

biggest political weak spot for 2024 >> well, i think for the general election, in order to get there, a lot of the legislation that he's pushed in florida over the past few weeks a six-week abortion ban is not going to be popular nationally in a country where more than 60% of the people believe that abortion should be legal i don't think legislation that allows people to carry concealed handguns is going to play all that well with the suburban voters and i think this spat with disney is sort of emblematic of what we've seen thus far are from the desantis campaign way back when this started, disney looked unsettled and unsure now they've got their footing. they've filed this lawsuit, and it's the governor that feels like he's in a weakened political position, and now he's having to defend this decision not just among democrats but among republicans. and i can see somebody on a debate stage, a chris christie

or somebody saying to ron desantis, you know, how are you going to sit at a negotiating table across from the leaders of china and russia if you can't even beat mickey mouse in your own home state i think he's going to have a lot of questions to answer he's going to have to become a lot stronger performer, and i think he's learning on the fly that just because he's in a place like israel and wants to make moves doesn't mean other events aren't going to intercede. >> one of the big questions about potential weaknesses for president biden who is now an official 2024 candidate had been around his age, and he addressed that top issue for voters just last night, take a listen. >> and with regard to age, i can't even say i guess how old i am, i can't even say the number. it doesn't register with me. i respect them taking a hard look at it i take a hard look as it as well i took a hard look at it before i decided to run, and i feel

good >> obviously his age is not something he can control it is what it is but robert, how big of an issue do you think this is going to be for him and for democrats? >> well, look, i think as he says there, it's an issue that he knows voters are going to grapple with it's an issue he had to grapple with to make a decision to run again, and i think he's going to have to prove through his actions within the white house and on the campaign trail that he's got the -- excuse me -- the energy to do that. i think the flip side of this is, you know, the same question can be asked of somebody like donald trump who's 76, not exactly, you know, young in terms of political leadership, and if it's somebody like a ron desantis or a nikki haley, they're going to have to get asked do they have the experience to be president, so in reality, i think this is a question that every candidate's going to have to answer. is that some question that voters have about whether they're capable of the job of president. for biden it may be around his

age, but for others it may be both age and/or experience >> we also saw trump release his first attack ad against biden since he has made his official announcement let's listen. >> the global elitist who send your kids to war, who tell you a woman is a man and a man is a woman, who teach your children their country, their faith, their beliefs are a lie. they have corrupted every facet of american government. >> the tone there rather dark. it sounds like something out of a motivate by fear play book that's not new for trump, of course, but do you think it's still effective? >> it is effective to mobilize traditionally performing republican voters. this is a president who gave us the american carnage speech. look at the heart of today's republicanism is that the elites and the big government and the diversity of culture is coming for your way of life they're trying to take away your way of life. that's the messaging you heard

from donald trump. i think ultimately the culture wars will buffer the number one issue, which will be the economy. if joe biden has a strong economy to run for re-election on, joe biden is well situated if the economy is having trouble, donald trump's going to say, hey, remember the wonder years when i was there before covid hit? forget about the impeachment, forget about the scandals, the economy was doing well give me another shot >> former florida congressman david jolly and robert gibbs, appreciate both of you thanks so much for taking the time today. meantime, in just a few hours, the air national guardsman accused of leaking trove of classified documents is expected back in federal court in a new 18-page court filing overnight, the justice department revealed new details about its investigation into 21-year-old jack teixeira, and prosecutors allege that he had a history of making violent and racist remarks, posting on social media about wanting to carry out a mass shooting and keeping an arsenal of weapons and tactical gear at his house

nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian is with us now. ken, what else are prosecutors revealing ahead of today's hearing in this 18 pages of a filing last night? >> this filing really does put this case in a somewhat different light than the notion of a 21-year-old misguided young person just sharing information to impress his friends first of all, in arguing to keep him behind bars, prosecutors are saying, look, he's facing a sentence of 25 years or more and he has access to classified information far more than has been made public, and they fear that a foreign power could recruit him and spirit him out of the country unless he is confined broader than that, they looked into his history of making violent and racist posts on social media, even going back to his school days where he apparently joked about using a molotov cocktail and disturbed the local police when they declined to grant him a gun permit somehow he got a top secret clearance after that and they also talk about him

destroying evidence after he learned that the government was on to him and urging people in the chat room where he was leaking documents not to talk to the authorities. and they say, you know, again, the history of violent posts really makes him appear almost as if he had the profile of like a mass shooter as opposed to a national security leaker, somebody who was at the breaking point, and clearly people who are monitoring folks with security clearances were not looking at this. >> really, really concerning stuff, and i understand people in teixeira's same unit have now been suspended what can you share about that? >> yeah, that's right. the commander of the intelligence wing and another top official have been suspended and clearly things went wrong here on a number of different levels but this filing sheds some light on just how wrong they went because the government did an audit of the searches that jack teixeira conducted on a highly

classified system, and they found that he did hundreds of searches for highly classified materials but also searches for things like the las vegas shooting, the buffalo supermarket shooting, uvalde so clearly the government had the ability to see that and they should have been seeing it at the time, and that may be why some of these top officials have been suspended it's probably not the end of the accountability that's going to happen in this case. >> ken dilanian, we know you'll be watching the court appearance today, and as you learn more, you'll bring it to us. thank you. we have this just in, this is just moments ago where we saw the south korean president arriving on capitol hill right now he's in a meeting with bipartisan leaders of congress we saw house speaker kevin mccarthy, senate leader chuck schumer, mitch mcconnell also heading to that meeting. later this morning, he's set to address a joint session of congress to wrap up his state visit here to the u.s. we're back in just 60 seconds with mounting drama in montana, the state east first transgender legislator silenced by the republican super majority and

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legislation restricting care for trans youth. nbc news correspondent anne thompson has the details for us. >> hey there, this measure approved by a 68-32 vote means zephyr will not be able to participate in debates on the house floor for the rest of the year, but she will still be able to vote on legislation, albeit remotely >> mr. speaker 68 representatives vote aye, 32 have voted no. >> motion passes. >> reporter: this morning montana legislators taking an extraordinary step, zooey zephyr, the state's first transgender legislator from the house chamber for the remainder of the year. >> this conduct cannot be allowed to stand >> when the speaker asks me to apologize on behalf of decorum, what he is really asking me to do is be silent. >> reporter: zephyr made waves on the house floor last week after delivering passionate remarks about a bill that would

prohibit hormone treatments and surgical care for transgender minors >> i hope the next time there's an indication when you bow your heads in prayer, you see the blood on your hands. >> reporter: house republicans argue zephyr broke decorum rules and immediately threatened disciplinary action following the remarks. >> the representative from house district number 100 clearly violated the rules, collective rights, safety, dignity, integrity, and decorum of the house of representatives. >> zephyr standing by her comments. >> you use decorum to silence people who hold you accountable. then in the name of all you are doing is using decorum as a tool of oppression. >> reporter: house republicans also argue zephyr incited this protest monday after lawmakers refused to let the democrat speak on the floor all week. but zephyr tells nbc news she doesn't regret what she believes

is standing up for democracy. >> when you make the correct moral and ethical choice, it's hard to feel anything other than pride in that moment and pride for the people who came to the capital to show support for democracy and demand that it works. >> republicans in montana have also denied they are attempting to silence zephyr. the ban itself appears to be the first time in decades that lawmakers have censured one of their own members. back to you. >> anne thompson, thank you. immat want to share this br new data from nbc news finding americans more polarized than ever we disagree with each other on almost everything from race to culture to even the fundamental goals of american society, and as expected, this divide falls mostly along partisan license. joi -- lines. joining us now is nbc news steve

kor kornacki it is so disheartening tell us about the numbers and what it means. >> what you're seeing here is obviously a lot of divides a lot of divides along party lines when it comes to social and cultural change. i think the other thing, and i'll show you in these numbers in a second that comes through too, a lot of these debates, a lot of these conversations we have on these social and cultural topics, i think i get a sense arefrom these numbers tha different voters think about different things when you ask about some of these topics, and it produces some responses that in some ways almost might see contradictory. let me give you a sense of what i mean we asked a very basic question here, do you think that american society is racist, and you actually find a pretty wide majority here who say, yes, they think it is. nearly 60% and if you break this down across racial ethnic lines here, you do see a majority of white voters who do think the country is racist. that's 53% you see bigger majorities among

african americans, among hispanics, but overall, again, nearly 60% saying yes, so it raises the question of what do you do about that? one of the things that for decades has been a remedy or been proposed as a remedy to this has been affirmative action so we asked about affirmative action, and specifically we asked about affirmative action this way do you think that affirmative is action is still needed and a good idea as long as there are no explicit quotas, 53% said they agreed with that. the other option was does affirmative action go too far and should it be ended because it discriminates against white and asian americans, 42% said they agreed with that. take a look this along party lines. democrats overwhelmingly preferring the option of keeping affirmative action, republicans overwhelmingly opposing that, and then independents seeing basically identical to that overall number, 53-43. where i think this gets more

complicated, this is what our poll is showing of all americans. we also have a recent example. this is just in the 2020 election the largest state in the country, and one of the bluest states in the country. you look at these numbers among democrats, california had a ballot initiative that would bring back affirmative action in the public sector in california, and that ballot initiative when it went on the ballot in california, same day joe biden swept the state easily actually failed failed by 16 points. so it is when i say a little contradictory, you get these kinds of results when we ask this question here, but when this was put to the test on the ballot in one of the bluest states in the country less than three years ago, it actually went down to defeat by a very wide margin, worth keeping in mind we asked about the term woke you hear about it all the time right now. are you familiar with the term woke is it something you hear about 3/4 of voters say, yes, they've heard about it what does that conjure in their minds? does it make them feel more favorably towards someone or somebody described as woke

does it make them feel less favorably by a two to one margin, less favorably, negative connotations around the word woke big divide here by party, among democrats not really a negative connotation with the word. among republicans an extremely negative connotation, and among independents by a better than two to one margin, there's a negative connotation around the word woke. then i thought this was interesting too. we read a number of statements to voters and basically said do you agree with this statement, and when i say a little bit contradictory, here's what i mean we said our country needs to do more to increase social justice. 70% of voters in our poll said they agreed with that. we also ask this question, our country needs to reduce political correctness and cancel culture, about two-thirds, a similar number there, 64% agreed with that. then how about this, we said our country should be more tolerant of the lgbtq community 61% agreed with that

but then we turn around and we ask, we have gone too far in promoting lgbtq lifestyles and culture and basically an identical number, almost 59% say they agree with na so in the contours of the political debates, we have a lot of these statements i think in our politics that are viewed as contradictory statements you see big majorities of the public basically agreeing with all of these and one final thing we asked here is specifically on this issue of transgenderism, how society deals with people who are transgender, are we going too far, or are we not going far enough on this one, 48% say we are now going too far. 43% not far enough among independents it's an outright majority who say that currently we're going taf oo far when it comes to accepting transgenderism >> the actions that are happening on the state level, i wonder is it the chicken or the egg in terms of who's driving

whom thank you for breaking all of that down for us. up next here on "ana cabrera reports," a hole in a jail cell, a stolen truck, a dead pastor. day five of a multistate manhunt, criss-crossing 400 miles for inmates who escaped from a mississippi jail. flooding fears rising faster than the swelling waters of the mighty mississippi river we are in the flood zone as folks brace for impact >> it's scary. it really is you see on the news all the time, people with houses all the way up to the roofline it's goi tngo devastate the whole downtown

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now to the severe weather impacting millions baseball-sized hail that fell in texas. today more than 14 million people are at risk along the gulf coast for more of this, along with damaging winds, possibly even more tornados. and in the midwest and plains, communities like davenport,

iowa, along the mississippi are facing truly historic flooding with the levels reaching right up to people's door steps as you can see there. nbc news correspondent maggie vespa is continuing to follow this, is joining us live from davenport along the mississippi, and maggie, the crazy thing is the river is not done rising what are people doing? >> reporter: not done by a long shot, as you point out, like basically where we are in parts of iowa and illinois, a little bit farther south from the head waters of the mississippi, which i'll explain the portion of that in a second. forecasters say it likely won't crest for days meaning early next week is kind of the target date at this point, monday being the most likely. today's thursday, right? we have several more days of this to go this water has been rising quickly. it's coming up here, kind of a couple of city blocks up along the waterfront, at least 500 yards or so in the last 24 hours. we just think this is erie, this amusement park along the waterfront that's normally several hundred yards from the mississippi's banks and is now

surrounded by water. people in the area kind of in lower lying areas and neighborhoods that do flood from time to time, they've been telling us this is really jarring. they've been evacuating their homes by boats, and one area in particular, pleasant valley that's kind of a suburb of davenport, they just had their gas service cut off by the utility company for the first time residents say ever. they can't remember that happening. elsewhere in davenport, another kind of riverside communities, people have been feverishly stacking sandbags around businesses and around homes as it kind of hits them that this one, even among all the floods they've experienced could be really historic and really dangerous. take a look. >> how worrisome is this forecast >> it's worrisome, but i'm trying not to go there i could fill my head with all that madness, but i'm just going to go with the flow, and if they flow over, it's over there won't be no saving if it comes over 23, 24 feet that's -- it'd be in the bar >> reporter: sitting ducks is kind of the term that comes to mind for a lot of these people

this is being called the slow motion disaster by our climate unit there is really no stopping it, just kind of like doing best efforts to mitigate it we're in davenport, water expected to crest here likely early next week. forecasters are thinking on monday in some communities farther north, again, near the head waters of the mississippi where basically near record snow pack is melting rapidly, and that's what's causing all of this flooding up north they are starting to see some waters recede in northern minnesota, which is great news and today in lacrosse, wisconsin, and areas around there, that water expected to crest today and start receding soon up north things are starting to get a little better and/or there's light at the end of the tunnel here in iowa, forecasters tell us the worst is yet to come. >> maggie vespa, our hearts are with those communities thank you. now to the massive manhunt after several inmates escaped a mississippi jail over the weekend. one of those inmates is confirmed dead after police say

he killed a pastor while he was on the run nbc news correspondent blayne alexander joins us from mississippi, from jackson, mississippi, blayne, what's the latest now on the search for these other inmates? >> well, ana, this search is intensifying it is spanning more than 400 miles, and it is now well into day five this is something where the sheriff tells me these three men are still on the run they are considered dangerous. they've got agencies from a number of different places really trying to find these men. now, as for where they could be, one was spotted just outside of houston on sunday. that's also where a wrecked vehicle was spotted as well. one that officials believe they stole to get away, but other than that, at least officials have not publicly said they have any indication of where they might be now, just here outside of the detention center earlier this morning, we saw a number of different law enforcement officials from different agencies they came in and did what the sheriff describes to me as a shakedown, something that was planned in the wake of this

escape, but basically to look for contraband and possibly see if there was contraband that was brought in by some of the officers here at this detention center you know, he said that there have been a number of problems at this jail in recent years we've seen other escapes within the past year or so, and he says that it's a number of different issues coming from infrastructure as well as staffing issues, ana >> blayne, can you tell us more about this pastor who was killed >> yes, absolutely a good samaritan, that's how police are describing him. somebody who saw one of the suspects run off the road in a stolen motorcycle, police say stopped to help. instead that suspect shot and killed him and stole his truck he is a beloved pastor here in mississippi, somebody who leaves behind a wife and a daughter here's what a very close friend of his told me, take a look. >> i mean, even if the man would have asked or told him to give

me your truck, he would have gave it to him. >> he would have done it >> yes yes. but he was going to talk to him first, try and save him. >> because that's the person he was? >> that's the person he was. >> reporter: and his friend told me that that's how he wants him to be remembered, how he should be remembered, as somebody who really in his final moments was trying to he know somebody else. ana. >> wow what a horrific situation. blayne alexander, thank you for that reporting. and we have some breaking news this morning. we have just confirmed that jerry springer, long-time host of that popular daytime talk show, "the jerry springer show" has tidied a spokesperson says he has died this morning in chicago. no word yet on the cause of death. he was 79 years old. up next on ana cabrera

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the white house is getting closer to a showdown with republicans on capitol hill, speaker mccarthy scored his first big legislative win yesterday with the house narrowly passing a bill that raises the debt ceiling and includes some big spending cuts. it passed mostly along party lines with four republicans actually breaking ranks. the senate democrats and president biden say the cuts make this bill a complete nonstarter they want to raise the debt ceiling with no strings attached for what's next, i want to bring in nbc news capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. biden and schumer have already indicated this bill is doa, dead on arrival so what happens now? >> reporter: it certainly changes the conversation at least on some level, ana, because now republicans have a document that they can take to the white house, that they can take to chuck schumer and say this is something that we could

pass what is something that you can pass that should at least begin the conversation about what path forward there could be in some sort of compromise between the two sides to get a debt ceiling bill passed. now, at this point the white house seems pretty entrenched that they are not open to negotiating this they want a clean debt ceiling with no strings attached, but at some point, there's going to have to be a reality check for all sides involved that the bill that the republicans passed yesterday has no chance of becoming law and that the democrats are really in a position where it's going to be very difficult, if not impossible for a clean debt ceiling to pass the republican-led house and there's going to have to be some sort of compromise this is a staring contest once again with both sides looking at each other and the other waiting to make the first move kevin mccarthy crossed a very important hurdle yesterday by demonstrating that he could marshal enough republican votes to get something over the finish line >> and tell us about what we can

expect with this joint session and southbo korea's president expected to address congress coming up. >> reporter: that's right, ana, this is one of the rare moments of bipartisanship on capitol hill where you see both republicans and democrats coming together in support of south korea, one of the united states' most important allies in the east, and you know, the south korean president expected to talk at length about the special relationship that the united states has with south korea during an important time, especially with the situation happening with china and taiwan. also the war in ukraine, all of those geopolitical scenarios weigh heavily on the relationship between south korea and the united states, and this will be a demonstration that the u.s., both republicans and democrats support the south koreans, ana. >> the first south korean president to visit america with a state visit in over a decade ryan nobles thank you.

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vance, former u.s. attorney and an msnbc legal analyst so ron, tell us a little bit about what we can expect in court today. >> reporter: well, carroll's attorneys have said that they have about a half hour or so more of questioning on direct about -- for her before her testimony will end it's largely now focused on the defamation part of the case, the allegations that trump has made against her. she says this has destroyed her life, that the emails, the response from the public about all of this has been -- the hate has been staggering she has said earlier the testimony focused on the rape allegation, and she described it in very vivid and graphic detail what she says happened at goodman in the spring of 1996 now, we expect a very vigorous aggressive cross examination by donald trump's attorneys to begin sometime very soon, this

morning. in this case, there is not a lot of gray. you know, they're not quibbling about details or that sort of thing. donald trump and his attorneys have insisted this never happened, that he does not know this woman, that he has never met her, that he doesn't shop at bergdorf goodman so there is just no daylight between one saying this happened and the other saying it absolutely did not and so the heart of the case was yesterday, and today, as the jury hears from e. jean carroll herself. you pointed out that today is the deadline for donald trump's attorneys to tell the judge whether he will testify or not, that the judge is concerned about security, about all kinds of issues about whether he has to alert the court officials and the police for that matter about donald trump's coming to the courtroom. you remember a couple of weeks ago what happened when he testified in the -- when he came to appear in the criminal proceeding against him so the judge is concerned about all of that. and so we do not expect donald

trump to testify, we do not expect him to be here, he participated in a deposition and we expect the jury to hear those excerpts again, today, e. jean carroll is expected to wrap up her testimony and the jury, that's the bulk of the case, whether they believe her or not. >> so, joyce, trump has not been in the courtroom he wasn't there yesterday for carroll's testimony but he was on social media, bashing carroll and this case. as a lawyer, just give me your reaction to trump not agreeing to appear in person, but taking to social media as carroll who is accusing him of sexual assault of giving this emotional testimony. >> right so, i think you don't have to be a lawyer to understand that trump would rather give his, quote, unquote, testimony in a forum like truth social where he doesn't have to say it is true under oath than he would in a courtroom. he doesn't have the courage to sit there and face his accuser and this frankly is something that won't be lost on the jury

trump's lawyers wanted to be able to explain a way his absence, telling jurors that he wasn't there because he was being considerate of new york's security resources and didn't want to overburden police and impose on public safety. but the judge said you can't do that, i'm not going to let you explain it away like that, and so the jury will draw its own inferences, though perhaps this comes up later on in the trial, and there is some effort to explain it but for now, the jury is just looking at that empty chair. >> and actually the judge -- didn't the judge go after trump's lawyers because of what trump was writing on social media and essentially suggesting that he could be in additional legal jeopardy by what he's posting? >> he absolutely did and, you know, judges and especially an experienced judge like louis kaplan, they know how to control their courtroom they don't let defendants try their cases in public or the media. the evidence, all of the action

happens in that courtroom, where the judge is sitting so, when robbie -- when e. jean carroll's lawyer, roberta kaplan, not related to the judge, raised the social media postings yesterday morning in court, kaplan reacted very sc sharply and said trump might face other sorts of legal penalties. i think a veiled reference or not so veiled reference to obstruction statutes he's not saying trump crossed the line here. he's just putting him on notice he has to quit it now, or face potential additional action. >> joyce vance and ron allen, thank you, both, we'll keep on top of this trial and a setback for trump in another legal fight. a federal appeals court yesterday rejected his request to block former vice president mike pence from testifying in a special counsel probe into january 6th. trump could take his appeal to the supreme court if he chooses not to, however, this ruling now clears the way for pence to

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detained abroad. she's going to be unveiling a mural that is covered up behind me now, but doing that with her team, the phoenix mercury and bring her family home campaign we were able to get a look at it when on it 13 american detainees across four different countries. at this point, at last count, 53 americans are considered wrongfully detained abroad with the latest being "the wall street journal" reporter last month. so we expect her to talk about that we expect her to talk about what she's been through, how she's changed since her last season before she was detained. well, as a person and also as an athlete and hopefully give us insight about what she went through in russian prison and what she hopes to accomplish this next season that will be happening in about an hour here at the her home court where the season will start next month ana? >> niala, do we know how she's doing, and what her transition has been like in these last several months >> yeah, so, like i said, she

hasn't talked too much about what she has faced in russian prison, but we do know she's going to be releasing a book next spring where she will hopefully talk more about that, is what she says since then, in a lot of the statements, she's really been focused on bringing attention to the other americans that are wrongfully detained. although she's lucky to be here, she says she is still thinking about the others that are not in her position ana? >> paul whelan and officials here in america working to get them out thank you so much, niala charles. can't wait to hear from brittney griner that does it for us today. thank you for joining us we're back tomorrow, same time, same place until then, i'm reporting from new york, ana cabrera and jose diaz-balart picks up our coverage right now >> and good morning, it is 11:00 a.m. eastern, 8:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart any minute now, south korea's press is due to address a joint meeting of congress. why this moment is so important for its relationship with the u.s. >