a very good at all of, you from the msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone to alex reports, we begin with some breaking news. more severe weather happening right now as heavy rain and strong winds are battering parts of the southeast. it comes after some devastating tornadoes tore through mississippi overnight, killing at least 23 people and injuring dozens. search and rescue teams right now looking for people trapped in the destruction, to try to help survivors. >> i had to sail into the middle part of the house, we

did. we got in there. obviously, it was coming right behind us. as we got in there. we heard a big boom. didn't hear anything else for a while, we walked out. then just came out to around ten trees. down in our yard. >> how frightening, at night as well, we're gonna go to priscilla thompson and silver city, mississippi with the very latest. just a few minutes ago. another story we're following at this hour. >> crews in pennsylvania are searching for five people after an explosion at a chocolate factory. two people -- when people are pulled from the rubble overnight. we're gonna live report from pennsylvania later on this hour. we go to more developing news now, the investigation into donald trump are accelerating this weekend. as he deals with several legal setbacks. it comes as new york investigators are looking into a death threat, and white powder having been sent to da alvin bragg. the substance was deemed non hazardous. the letter came hours after trump warned of potential death and destruction if indicted.

democratic congressman, eric swalwell, telling msnbc he fills trump rhetoric fueled threats. >> the death threat that was logged against alvin bragg was exactly what donald trump wanted. it's what why donald trump put out a statement that he does. he wants his supporters to carry out acts of violence in his name. he did it before, and at least up until now, he has not been held accountable. >> the grand jury in the manhattan hush money investigation is expected to reconvene monday. as trump holds his first official campaign rally. in waco, texas today. meanwhile, the legal pressure also growing on other fronts, in the special counsels classified documents case. trump's own attorney, evan corcoran, appeared before a federal grand jury for nearly three and a half hours. trump was also dealt a blow in the special counsel's january 6th probe, a federal judge denied trump's claim of executive privilege. ordering mark meadows and other

top aides to testify before grand jury. former january 6th committee member, adam schiff, reacting here on msnbc. >> that is the most chilling from donald trump's perspective. these people like mark meadows and others around donald trump are in the best position to talk about trump's state of mind. what he understood, the dangers, his unwillingness to lift a finger once the violence began. they could be among the most serious witnesses today. >> also in washington, republican marjorie taylor greene led a visit to a jail, where some january six defendants are being held. green claims the defendants are being mistreated. earlier today, one of the democrats went with them, congressman jasmine crockett, who disagreed. >> what i saw was a group of very privileged individuals that were being treated so much more better than any prisoner that i've ever dealt with. obviously, this trip was simply about having a conversation, and continuing to build a

defense for these folks. that legitimately tries to tear our democracy apart. and they went in trying to kill colleagues of mine. >> in just a few minutes, i will be speaking with the other democratic lawmaker who's on that tour, that being congressman robert garcia. right now, let's go to msnbc -- on capitol hill. julie, welcome on the saturday, my friend, tell me what you know about the interactions between those lawmakers in the january 6th defendants. >> yeah, alex, according to the two democrats, lawmakers jasmine crockett and robert garcia, we will speak to in a few moments, they said that they were treated like celebrities from the far-right of the far-right. republicans who lead this tour. the front runner, front men being marjorie taylor greene, though congresswoman who let her colleagues on this tour. she visited defendants who, to be clear, are awaiting trial, and the judge deemed them to wait in this jail cell instead of being freed. because they were deemed a risk to their communities and a flight risk as well.

nonetheless, greene says they are being treated unfairly, into different trips. that she was on. and that those democrats were on, because the democrats had said, look, they had i patches, they had tablets, they had regular access to medical care. all of that, green disputes. take a listen to a little bit of what she said yesterday after her visit. >> president trump did not tell anyone to go into the capitol that day. we have to work as hard as possible to defund the two tiered injustice system. we have to return freedom and due process to these january six defendants. for two years, we've heard the story from the people on the january 6th committee. we've heard the story about how it was an insurrection, i'm gonna tell you something right now, it was not an insurrection. >> we all know that it clearly was, this is what happens when green is allowed to be back on powerful committees, she's now

sitting on the oversight panel, so, we expect to continue her pushing for that. including in a tweet that she just sent, calling for an oversight hearing into the, quote, to teared justice system she described. >> okay, julie, thank you so much. great set up for the next interview from capitol hill. joining me now is california congressman, robert garcia. a democratic member of the house oversight campaign homeland security committee. welcome, sir, i'm glad to have you here. those last words uttered by marjorie taylor greene, it was not an insurrection. what? >> she's living in a fantasy land, the truth is we all know's attack on the capitol, it was a deadly attack on the capitol. dozens of law enforcement officers were seriously injured. it was a death, we saw play out on our television screen. for her to continue to lie and try to create some fantasy, it's really shameful. her media stunt she tried to create, where's were pushing back on it. we know the insurrectionists are right now in that jail, are being treated fairly.

they have ipads, they have entertainment, they have access to the families. so, i don't know why she continues to lie and lie and lie, i'm glad that we were there to pushback on that. >> i'm glad you talk about the details you saw. elaborate on that. you are part of their congressional delegation, what did you see? >> look, we were there, myself and another member of the oversight team, what we saw were 20 insurrectionists, essentially, in jailed space that was probably the nicest part of the whole complex. it was a jail, they were outside, they were not under bars. they each had tablets where they communicated and watch movies. press their, families talk to their attorneys. they're able to be outside of their cells most of the day in their shared space, they were freely interacting with members of congress. the republicans there, marjorie taylor greene, lauren boebert, the whole crew, treated them like celebrities. they were interacting with them, putting them on the back. they were taking notes. it was completely shameful to see. these are people that tried to

overthrow our government. they're being treated like rock stars and heroes by marjorie and others. >> apparently margin doesn't think they try to overthrow the government. let me ask you, she put out a tweet today, in which she accused you of not knowing the long history of outrage in washington d.c. about jail conditions and treatment. she claimed that you and congresswoman car grit, the two democrats on this tour, don't care about the defendant's complaint. how do you respond to her? >> i have been to other prisons, but back in my home district. the conditions that a lot of black and brown folks across this country, are nothing like the conditions that the d.c. inmates are in. they're being treated fairly. i talk to the medical director, they have 24-hour access to medical care. if marjorie taylor greene and others want to have an actual debate and conversation about the criminal justice system we are ready to have that. they are not interested in that. they are interested in supporting and quite frankly,

uplifting folks that try to overthrow our government, a presidential election. and attacked our capitol. so, 17 of these 20 individuals, by the way, have hacked law enforcement. they can't have it both ways. i'm glad that we were there. to continue to call out their lies. >> what do you think your republican congress are trying to get out of this. how do you think americans are gonna see, it other gonna see it anything more than some kind of political stunt? >> well, i think americans see it as a political suit stunt. it's really a circus. this is a media moment for her, that is quite frankly, backfiring. i think she didn't expect this to actually be there. so actually attend. and to actually explain what actually happened, inside of that jail. the truth is, marjorie taylor greene and the power she now has, thanks to kevin mccarthy, has given away the keys to the extreme maga far-right. now controlling the caucus. we have, essentially, conspiracy theorists, running the u.s. congress in the majority. ,, that we would back the

majority to get marjorie taylor greene, kevin mccarthy, and devout of the congress. >> okay, let's take a focus on what's happening here around me in new york. donald trump is awaiting possible indictment in manhattan da's hush money investigation. you know he's wrapping up the rhetoric on social media. week after first calling for protests, trump warning friday, quote, potential death and destruction in such a false charge could be catastrophic for our country. i noticed that last week you wrote a letter to the attorney general, the dhs secretary, for details on any kind of preparations for violence. how worried are you about unrest, and if you received any word back on that letter? >> we've been communicating with doj and homeland security, the truth is, this is so irresponsible. of donald trump. of course, we should not be surprised. this is a disastrous president, completely con undressed, the

fact that he's actually trying to rile up his base in this way is actually quite dangerous. those of us that are on homeland security, especially, on oversight, a very concerned about his rhetoric. are very concerned that it's not gonna tamp down anytime soon. the capitol police, doj, additional securities measures. let me take you very seriously. donald trump is a threat to this country. and should be nowhere near the presidency. we should expect that if he's gonna continue his presidential campaign, continue to put up these types of riling up of his base. you see marjorie taylor greene yes visit yesterday, claiming that donald trump didn't actually ask people to storm the capitol. which we know is completely false. we've seen, it we watched him do it. donald trump needs to focus on his legal troubles, and get back to -- >> james comer, the republican chair of the oversight committee on which you serve, was among those house gop leaders that were seeking testimony, pardon me, from da brag.

along with documents and communications from his office. how much is this testing the limits of congressional oversight powers? what do you think you and your democratic colleagues can do about? >> there certainly the fine line between oversight and actually trying to get involved in a legal case. and the judicial system. the fact that our chairman james comer and even kevin mccarthy, the speaker, essentially calling for investigating the manhattan da, in the office. is completely unacceptable. but we are trying to interject themselves into what was a very delicate traditional matter. they're trying to put pressure, not only on the doj, but on the da. that's wrong. those of us on the oversight committee are having conversations internally, our chairman jamie raskin is pushing back really hard. we have to work with our other friends on the, particularly on the justice committee, judiciary, and other areas we can pushback on all these witch hunts. we are going to ensure that the

legal process makes its way to ensure that donald trump is held accountable. >> okay, california democrat robert garcia, really good to talk with. you thanks for joining, the other four to see you again soon. >> let's take you all back to the break, the news we just told you about, those deadly tornadoes in mississippi. joining me now, nbc's priscilla thompson in silver city. priscilla, show us what you're seeing it looks heartbreaking. >> alex, it is heartbreaking. especially as people are coming back to their homes this morning. and this is what they are seeing. we just saw both walk into that house there, you can see the entire back half of the roof, completely removed from that home. the home behind it also, the roof completely gone. so, that is the type of damage that we're seeing around this community here it looks like there may have been a mobile home or something back here on cinder blocks, you can see all the debris from that right here. clothing, prized possessions,

all of it strewn into the street after these tornadoes came through silver city. really, retake, and we're seeing a similar scene just a little while up the road in rolling fork where you just see houses that have been completely caved in, that area really seeing the brunt of the damage there. windows blown out of all of their community buildings like police stations, libraries, things like that. you really see a community that is going to have a long road ahead in terms of rebuilding. that's not only for the property damage, also for the human toll that this tornado has taken. we're talking about 23 people that have been confirmed dead. a number that could potentially rise, we know that there's still four people missing who have been reported missing. i've been speaking to people all morning who are still trying to get in touch with loved ones and people to find out what might be going on. of course, there are dozens of people injured.

that is sort of the state of things here. >> all of this began late last night around 9 pm eastern time, when the first tornadoes believed to have touched down here. that's a long track tornado, it went some 80 miles leaving destruction along the way. early data suggests there may have been around a dozen tornadoes that touched down in all across the mississippi and alabama. we know that the national sir weather service is going to be on the ground, surveying, looking at to see how strong those tornadoes were. already, we're hearing something like debris filing 30 to 35,000 feet in the air. we've seen semi trucks that have been completely flipped over and moved. feet from where they were sitting. so, that gives you a sense of the strength of this storm. how this completely removed from their foundations. we spoke to a few people who are here, when that tornado touched down. they described seeing it and hearing that whistling sound

that we so often hear about in these situations. beginning to just huddle where they were, in closets and bathtubs, grabbing family members. and waiting it out for several minutes and talking about that feeling of not knowing what they were going to be walking out to, for many of them, these are the types of scenes that they walked out to. just utter destruction and many of these folks have been up for more than 24 hours, lots of folks did not get a whole lot of sleep last night, and they're working to begin the cleanup effort today. alex? >> what a story you are telling, so unfortunate. all the loss of life and what they're gonna have to do to bounce back from this, priscilla thompson, thank you so much. >> deep in the heart of texas, you know who is holding his first 2024 campaign rally in waco tonight. if you're wondering, will his many legal troubles dampened the enthusiasm? well, your first guest might be the right when. we're gonna take you there, next. right? uhh...nope. intuit quickbooks helps you manage your payroll taxes, cheers!

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rally of his 2024 presidential campaign. announcing more than four months ago. and jumping into this. it could not come at a more notable time, this is perhaps the moment in which he has legal challenges that are bigger than any political one. >> the former president in the middle of two battles this weekend. one, for another shot at the white house this afternoon, the flight of texas for the first formal rally of his 2024 presidential campaign. >> thousands of great in true american victories. that's what you are.

>> the other, more pressing fight, to avoid criminal charges. trump warning in a flurry of social media posts, quote, a potential death and destruction if he's charged. and years of hatred, chaos in turmoil. on friday, a new major development in the special counsel's investigation into trump's alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election. a federal judge ruling that a slew of his former top aides in the white house, including his chief of staff mark meadows, must testify under oath about what they knew in heard. this ruling is one of trump's own attorneys, evan corcoran, who is forced to testify on friday in a separate inquiry. related to the more than 100 classified documents recovered by the fbi at mar-a-lago last year. and in new york, a grand jury could rule as soon as monday, on whether to indict trump over alleged hush money payments, made to adult film star, stormy daniels. meanwhile, in florida, trump and his golf course on friday.

ahead of his much anticipated rally today, the rallies location? waco, texas. drawing some criticism, as this weekend marks the 30th anniversary of a deadly standoff between the branch dividend cult in federal agents. >> as the tension increasing over the potential indictment of donald trump, the fbi nypd are investigating a piece of mail that contained, they, say a threatening letter to kill, manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg, as well as a white powdery substance. authorities now say, that substance was not dangerous, they know that it is among hundreds of threats made to brag's office in recent weeks. >> thank you so much for that report. i want to bring in peter strzok, former fbi counterintelligence agent and author of compromised, counter intelligence in the threat of donald j trump. welcome back, peter, it's good to see you. first off, the choice of waco for this first rally. some republicans are gonna argue, yeah, a central location, texas, it's a gop stronghold.

how is law enforcement looking given what transpired 30 years ago. it has since influenced the local culture. >> alex, i think there is no way of getting around the symbology of the moment. we are 30 years removed from the standoff that culminated in the tragedy on april 19th. and that date in terms served as the motivation for the worst domestic terrorism attack that we had in the form of the federal -- oklahoma city. there's a lot of symbology to this place, and this anniversary. and well it may not be known to most of your viewers, even to donald trump, it is absolutely well-known to violent anti government extremists. when you have somebody like the former president choosing to launch his campaign, by going to this place, having spent the last several weeks and months engaging in very inflammatory rhetoric, and postings online. telling people, and his supporters, he's their retribution, making his dark references to violence if he's charged. i think you are creating a

environment which does nothing and encourage extremist elements to engage in violence, going down the line. >> so, you have trump's recent social post about the hush money investigation, you have the death threats to meant men and the, al van break. give me a sense of what the fbi's main concern is today. do you think, given your mention of proud boys, oath keepers, are there likely specific individuals that are he's paying attention to? >> i think the biggest threat that is out there, in terms of being able to understand what is going on, or loan individuals. small groups of individuals. not large organizations which are known, which the fbi has the ability and on the law enforcement, has the ability to investigate, and develop sources within those organizations to know what they're doing. a greater threat occurs to me, the one of potentially mentally unstable people who become self radicalized and decide to go and buy multiple firearms or

create explosive devices. but decide to engage in violence, outside of any sort of formal structure. to the law enforcement agency, whether that the fbi or state or local police. trying to get ahead of them, is enormously difficult. in many cases, the people who are individually radicalized don't themselves know that they're going to be radicalized until they hear a speech, until they read something online, and something snaps that they decide to pursue violence. i think, in terms of the challenge, that is one of the largest challenges facing law enforcement today. >> let's talk about lanny davis, michael cohen's lawyer, who told politico, after trump's call for protest, they asked you and private entrance this week to the manhattan grand jury hearing, take a listen to what he said. >> honestly, we were concerned about security, anyone who doubts, even slightly, that donald trump incited what happened on 16, is closing their eyes to what he said, and what he did.

>> i've got to wonder, is there a real danger to someone like michael cohen, who has been not just cooperative, but an advocate in this case? >> well, i think absolutely, it's reasonable to be concerned that there is. one in another trial in new york, the carroll trial, we had the judge ruled this past week, the jurors be kept anonymous. because of concerns about their safety, and all the risk that in that trial. again, trump's party that. when you look at trump's past behavior, when you look at the way he's spoken about his enemies, it's absolutely in the past created threats of violence. i think there's every reasonable expectation that, as he continues to move down the path of criminal exposure, as he looks at the potential indictment in new york, in georgia, potentially in the federal system, in washington d.c.. his past behavior about raging against prosecutors and investigators have every expectation that that's going to continue, and will increase.

>> can i ask you quickly about trump's lawyer in mar-a-lago documents case, evan corcoran, who has you know, testified before a grand jury after the judge ruled on the so-called crime fraud exception. i guess it means he could not assert attorney client privilege. that's pretty extraordinary. do we know what the judge saw? could there be any sort of a national security concern that led to this? >> well, that's a great question. we don't know at this point, what the judge saw. those arguments are under seal. there are two broad things that could be at play here. one, the attorney, might be participating with the former president in the context of some sort of criminal activity. the other side, might be that the attorney, evan corcoran, did not engage in any criminal behavior, that perhaps, he was lied to her misled by the former president. and that he used those misrepresentations in the course of what he was saying in that case. we don't know what was said. what is striking about his

testimony on friday. it is the pace with which the judicial system moved to give him to testify. there was an appeal about whether or not he would be forced to testify in front of the grand jury that was taken off by the d.c. court of appeals. being engaged in extraordinarily rapid review of that case, asking the trump side to provide arguments at midnight. and the government to respond the following day, at six a.m., and then they ruled later that day that he would testify. so, when i see something moving that fast, which is extraordinarily fast, it tells me there is something exigent, that indicates to me, there may be something some concern, some evidence that this classified information out in the wild, in somewhere in donald trump's possession, that represents an ongoing national security threat. >> that is chilling. i thank you for articulating all of, peter strzok, good to see you. new information and tensions around the escalating conflict in syria, the warning president biden delivered to iran because of it. plus, disney gets creative in

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reported at the top of the hour, deadly tornadoes have ripped through the deep south overnight, killing at least 23 people in mississippi and injuring dozens more. the powerful twisters obliterating dozens of buildings and essentially, wiping out i entire rural town. search and rescue teams right now are combing through the destruction, they're looking for survivors and trying to help those affected. four people are currently listed as missing, officials say that number is likely to go up. we'll bring you live report at the top of the hour. some more breaking news at this hour for you, conflict intensifying in syria, as the u.s. confirms several more attacks on u.s. military bases in the region. it comes after a deadly drone strike thursday, that killed an american contractor. president biden spoke out about the attack and retaliation.

and bases peter alexander was with the president, and remains in ottawa, canada, peter hello to you. walk us through these latest attacks. >> alex, good morning to you. the conflict in syria keeps escalating, iranian-backed militias ramped up their attacks, following that u.s. retaliation. on friday, another three coalition based's came under fire. one of them with multiple rockets, injuring yet another american service member yesterday. this is some of the most serious fighting there in several years. as the u.s. tries to de-escalate tensions. across that region. >> new details about that deadly drone attack that killed an american contractor on a base in syria thursday. launched by pro iranian forces. now, a new investigation looking into how it could've happened, with nbc news learning, one of the radars used to detect incoming threats sent to protect the base was down for maintenance at the time of the drone strike. according to three u.s. defense officials. it's not clear whether that factored into the drone reaching the populated part of

the base. the pentagon saying, u.s. intelligence believes the drone was of iranian origin. six americans were wounded, five of them service members. >> iranian-backed militants groups used an unmanned aerial vehicle to strike one of our facilities, causing several american casualties. >> well aboard air force one thursday president biden ordered u.s. retaliation, with what the pentagon described as precision strikes by two f-15s. on-site, used by groups affiliated with iran's islamic revolutionary guard. including a u.s. defense official says, buildings housing drone and aviation assets. and vehicles used by those groups. >> the united states does not, does not i emphasize, seek conflict with iran. but be prepared for us to act forcefully, protect our people. >> roughly 900 american troops and hundreds of contractors are stationed in syria, helping kurdish forces in the fight against i.s.i.s..

those americans under constant threat. 78 attacks on bases housing u.s., and coalition troops in iraq and syria, over the past two years. and many of them, u.s. national command says, carried out by iran or iranian-backed groups. and just hours after the u.s. retaliated, another attack on a separate coalition base, ten rockets. u.s. officials say, no casualties. >> this attack was done in an effort to retaliate. they did not cause any damage at the coalition facility. >> at the end of this news conference here, i asked president biden with iran repeatedly targeting americans, should there be a higher cost for them to pay? he responded saying we are not going to stop, u.s. officials later telling me, by that he meant, despite these attacks, the u.s. will not stop its fighting i.s.i.s.. in that region. alex? >> peter, thank you so much, from ottawa, canada. let's go to some new information regarding a

security scare at the manhattan district attorney's office. the grand jury investigating donald trump will reconvene on monday. friday, a letter containing a death threat and white powder was mailed to da, alvin bragg. that's up that is not hazardous. for more on the actual, case kieran friedman, former chief -- at the da manhattan's -- former top aide to one time da, cy vance. karen, big welcome to you. as we said to our viewers, the grand jury we can meet on monday, many expected on a date night of the former president already. but it all seemed to stall last week with sessions being canceled. how do you read that? >> what i read is two things, number one, donald trump's rhetoric where he's putting a big -- and clearly calling for death and destruction to his followers who know, based on what happened on january 6th,

that it's a call to action for donald trump. so, what's happening, law enforcement is working together to decide when is the safest time to ask the grand jury to indict this case, in my thought is, the safest time would be the closest in time to what he's going to surrender. so, they are all working together on what a good day would be, i think that's gonna be next week. they're also considering whether or not to put any other witnesses any rebuttal witnesses. trump's witness, mr. costello, testified. so, they might want to rebut something he said. the third thing, i think they're considering, whether or not to bring additional charges against donald trump. based on his rhetoric that has happened this week, where like i said, put a baseball bat to alvin bragg's head and called for death and destruction, to me, that crosses the line from speech to conduct. and is absolutely a crime under the new york penal law, whether

not they bring those additional charges, we will see. but they are considering that right now. >> you think this is all gonna go down this coming week, one last time just to reiterate, the fact that donald trump has made these statements, these blast from a statements right on his social media, do you think that played into the delays this week. we have to prepare ourselves for what might come. because of what he may be calling for? >> 100%. they execute, they have to keep everybody in line. alvin bragg is the chief law enforcement officer in manhattan. he has an obligation to keep people in manhattan safe. so, he's working with the g -- the fbi, the nypd, secret service, court offices. all law enforcement, they know how to do this. the manhattan has the united nations physically located and every year we have heads of state, prime ministers, presidents, kings. sitting presidents.

from all over the world come to manhattan, they know how to do this. so, all -- they're just preparing for it, and they are determining how to do, it went to do it. they can easily get him in and out, safely. but they also know, he is going to create havoc, frankly, he is going to perp walk him self. he's gonna be the one to put on a show and insights -- >> he wants. it >> he said that he wants to be seen in handcuffs, yes. >> exactly. so, law enforcement knows what that will do. some nations have to prepare. >> given your position as a top aide to former manhattan da, cy vance, who started this investigation rather later, put it on hold. why did he do that? >> look, you know, he put this case on hold, partly because, he had multiple investigations going into donald trump. don't forget, under cy vance, he indicted the trump

organization, he also had another case involving the valuation of assets. he had this case, at one point, cy vance went to the supreme court of the united states to get donald trump's tax returns. there are multiple cases going on at once. so, he handed all three over to alvin bragg when alvin bragg took office a year ago and a half ago. and he tried the trump organization and got the conviction. he had two other cases that are still pending. this one's going now because the statute of limitations runs in may. so, it's now or never for this case. make no mistake, for those people who are saying, why isn't the case going first? this isn't a serious case. this is a very serious case. this is the first time he tried to influence an election. the second time was january 6th. this is the first time we try to influence the presidential election. when he tried, two weeks before the election, to hide these payments. the other reason this is a really serious crime, let's not

forget, these payments were made while he was sitting in the oval office as president. where he was lying in a business record, saying that this was illegal retainer, when it was in fact not illegal retainer. this was a payment to hush money payment. you had a president of the united states committing crimes, 11 different times, from the oval office. how can anyone say that is not serious. so, this is a very important case to bring, and i applaud alvin bragg for doing this. hopefully, they will also bring these additional charges against him. what he's doing right now, threatening a prosecutor, and threatening violence and calling for death and destruction, is irresponsible and criminal. >> well, karen friedman, please come see me again. i very much appreciate your insight, in this conversation. have a good saturday. appreciate you. >> thank you. >> so many questions after what the republicans did this week, specifically yesterday. the parents bill of rights passed in the house, should a book about race or lgbtq issues

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republicans pass what they're calling the parents bill of rights. that law requires public school districts to post information about the curriculum, including providing parents with a list of books and reading materials, in school libraries, it comes as some republicans are intensifying their ban on certain books, and putting limits on teaching issues like racial equity, diversity or sexual orientation. democrat alexandra ocasio-cortez highlighting her concern in a passionate floor speech. >> before they claim that this is not about banning books and not about harming the lgbtq

community, let's just look at the impact of the similar republican legislation that has already passed on the state level. >> look at these books that have already been banned, since republican measures. the life of rosa parks. this apparently is too woke. by the republican party. >> joining me now, alicia johnson, political strategist, senior adviser for president biden's 2020 campaign. she's impact officer of the -- and tim miller, writer at large for the bulwark former communications director for jeb bush's 2016 campaign. an msnbc political analyst. always good have you both here, let's get going, with you first. democrats say this bill doesn't help parents at all. rather, it discriminates against lgbtq students. is this about parental rights, or something else? >> no, it's not about parental rights, it's about control. and this is one way that authoritarians actually control the people from uprising and

making sure that they're no longer oppressed. they try to control what people learned, and schools. the gop is taking a play from, not just run desantis, but governor glenn youngkin here in virginia, and so many other conservative republicans. who are driving this culture war, and telling communities, lgbtq i community, telling black and brown communities, that their perspective does not matter. we are going to erase you. in the culture wars, i am really, deeply concerned about what is happening, more than likely not pass, or even come close to a vote. but the reality is, they're able to have these conversations, and rile up their base around the reason we should discriminate against lgbtq i students and black students and tell people that they cannot learn about their history. this is the danger and pat were going down. and it's very much a, right some of the fact that we see in other nations.

>> tim, this is something, it was a major. but to alexei's point. it really stands. this is what will be an issue that republicans. likely needed to do in 2024. at a strategy, is this going to be helped or hurt gop chances this kind of approach. >> yeah, there's potential there the cases of the other republicans. the way to do this, and political powerful. versus a way that is gonna make republicans be weird and extreme. >> you are saying that youngkin did it the right way? >> youngkin won. he won. >> what did he do, what is he doing that say, if you doing something different that say rhonda santas is doing? how would you describe the different approaches. >> sure, desantis also won.

look, that's what i'm saying democrats are learning and are getting better at figuring out how to combat this. on its face, it's seems logical. parrot of can stroll over what is in school. glenn youngkin won on that campaign, i think the republicans see that it's a political winner, that's where they're continue to push. it the problem is, as we get further and further into these bills becoming law, we're seeing the negative consequences. we see what aoc did on the screen. i think that banning tango makes, three a book about gay penguin to decide to parent, which happen in a florida school region, change the curriculum around rosa parks, this stuff goes from takes it out of the space of, okay, should have control of their education, and put it in the space of republicans are weird, and send serious and extreme. i think that that is the debate that would be going forth. pushing into 2024. if democrats can to find the republicans that way, i think it'll be a big loser for them.

i do think the republicans think that they have an opportunity on this based on winds that they have, and the state of virginia. >> do you, alencia, think that republicans, rather democrats, can take advantage of this rather slippery slope that republicans seem to have created for themselves? >> we cannot, you know, pivot from it and talk about other issues. the reality is, who they are attacking in these culture wars are actually our base. they are young people. they are black people. they are immigrants. they are lgbtq i. these are the base. we have to lean into the impact that the laws will have on that generation, on what all these folks, and this is how glenn youngkin won, how desantis is winning, there's a combination here of a lot of reasons. voter suppression laws, to not the best democratic candidates going up against them, the culture wars piece, particular out education, is a very nuanced one. i will say, i think this is

also going to make democrats allow for us to have young people get involved, and pushback. when teachers feel they cannot pushback, because they have to keep their jobs, they would like to keep funding. you have students who are all over the country saying, we don't like this. you have parents now saying, i'm also going to go shop to the school board, and make my voice heard. these policies are not working for us. the other thing about the government meddling with what teachers can teach in their curriculum, we have friends who have teachers. with they've gone to school, they've gotten their masters in education. they know what's right and what will help children. what is next for republicans? are they gonna come after, they do go after the medical system, are they gonna go after doctors? and tell them that they cannot prescribe something, even though they are the experts on this issue? there is a way to correlate how republicans are being extremely extreme on the fact that they

are trying to give parents to say something that they are, unfortunately, not necessarily the best expert on. but they may feel uncomfortable about some of the things that kids are learning, but this comfort doesn't mean that they're not the base. >> on the heels of a letter what she said there, tim, do you think republicans risk overplay their hand on this? >> of course there is a risk, you talk to the midterms, it should've been a good republican midterm when, they overplay their hand on this issue. and on the election, fraud and a number of issues. i do think that from a strategic standpoint, it is not smart, for the democrats to say, oh, this is just republicans craziness, and the only reason they won is because of voter suppression. and because voters didn't understand. youngkin and desantis won by winning over people that voted for joe biden. they did better among suburban voters than donald trump had done, in 2020. and this issue, they education issue, it was a big reason for. i oppose both of those bills. i'm just saying, they tapped

into something that some parents, that resonates with some parents. i think now, we're heading to a place, whether overstepping. i think it's important democrats to point that out. i think being eyes wide open about why that was affective and how to combat it, is going to be important if this democrats gonna be successful 2024. >> okay, tim, alencia goods you both. breaking news, a deadly explosion at a chocolate factory in pennsylvania, some new details about the victims, and investigations. later, it reads like a novel. crime fiction, maybe. the strange and very specific details when donald trump met stormy daniels. this all reemerging, and you will want to hear it. designer): as a new small business owner... ...i've learned that trying to be the “cool” boss... ...is a lot harder when you're actually the “stressed” boss. inner voice (furniture maker): i know everything about my new furniture business. well, everything except... ...the whole “business” part. not anymore. with quickbooks, you can confidently manage your business. new business? no problem. yeah.

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two people dead, several others hurt in that blast. it was so powerful that it pushed another building forward but several feet. we got nbc's george suddenly fit in pennsylvania for us. george, do we know what caused this explosion? >> it's one of the big questions being astronaut, what may have caused that explosion. if we want to play that video again, we want to see the dramatic nature of this so forceful, a push that building. it right now it is an ongoing search and cleanup effort officials saying a few people succumbed to this last and five others presumably underneath the rubble. if we can, i watch a little bit of that footage. another specialized equipment, another using specially trained dogs. again, this is an active search investigation happening right now. there is a big field of debris out there. there's also a large -- there moving this debris on to

right now. there was some discrepancies a little bit earlier in the day as far as the number of this, but officials making clear that the two people that have died and five still missing. one thing they do want to highlight, overnight, they were able to especially pull one person out of this rubble. that's really remarkable, when you think about the sheer magnitude of this blast. so this is still very much a search effort. there's also a twofold tragedy for many people in this community apart from the loss of life. they are palmer chocolate factory has been in this community for decades. it has been passed down as far as generations of a family, and workers, and employees. so losing is building really hurt this community and so we are going to stay on this, and hopefully bring you more updates as far as the search efforts continue here on the ground, alex. >> a, frightening. thank you charge for that. coming up next, all of the new details surrounding donald trump's legal problems plus, what to make of trump's escalating and violent rhetoric.

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