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>> did mr. trump know about thir reimbursement method? >> oh, he knew about everything, yes. >> thank you, mr. cohen. so the president not only knew about theçó payments, he knew a helped to hide the payments and the reimbursement to you? >> we discussed it. everything had to go through mr. tq more than four years after michael cohen made those remarks, a manhattan grand jury is preparing to both soon on indictment on donald trump. as we wait their decisions, there are several major developments on other fronts. a judge says special counsel has provided sufficient evidence that donald trump committed a crime through his attorneys in the mar-a-lago classified documents case. and that trump attorney evan corcoran should be compelled to tell a grand jury everything he knows about that allegede1 criminal misconduct. good evening.e1 i'm jason johnson in for joy

reid. we beginfá tonight with the tru indictment watch. it's still a waiting y!'e. today was the day many thought the grand jury would reconvene and possibly vote to charge donald trump in thee1 stormy daniels hush money scheme. but instead, two sources familiar with the matter told nbc news the manhattan district attorney's office is planning to bring the grand jury back to continue their work tomorrow. meanwhile, trump is fixated oen the optics. sources told the guardian that trump wants to be handcuffed when he makes an appearance in court because making this a spectacle is exactly what a television president would want. the far more serious matter is the peril of facing a prosecution of thise1 kind. and what these challenges could mean for the organization, tied its identity around a man who could serve time. the other cases involving donald trump are piling up as well and getting increasingly dire for him. justice department criminal probe of january 6th,e1 fulton county's investigation over whether trump and his allies illegally meddled in the election in e1georgia. the lawsuit over trump business

practices in new york as well as the mar-a-lagoe1 classified documents probe that prompted a major clash between trump attorneys andlp the justice department involving a d.c. appeals court. u.s. district judge based in washington, d.c. ruled in fav7r of ordering trump lawyer evan corcoran to testify before the federal grand jury. trump's team appealed the e1 ruling, resulting in an extraordinary overnight standoff with a trump team had until midnight to file an appeal with äuét government responding by 6:00 a.m. it nowxd appears team trump los. nbc newse1 confirmed todaax8 wh will likely force the trump provide documents or testify to a federal grand jury in the criminal probe. the doj has declined to comment and corcoran did not respond to nbc's request for comment. we're talking historical legal

scrutiny for a former president and to break it all down, i have a super team. i have the avengers of legal teams here. i'm going to need them because i'm no captain america. i'm joined by neal, former acting solicitore1 general, georgetown law professor, susan craig, new yorkçó times investigative reporter, hugo lowell and paul butler, former federal prosecutor, georgetown law professor and msnbc legal analyst. thank you so much. paul, i'll start with you.çó i'm going to ask the simple question. i'm going to ask the question that i heard at the barbershop today inw3 preparation for todas show. is he going to jail for this? that's justñre1 the first thingt regular people askq before we gt is donald trump going to jail for this? >> probably not. that would be a question for the judge if he ends up being both prosecuted and convicted. but, what we are hearing about the legal theory would be either a ñimisdemeanor or low-level

felony. in new york state, people don't go to prison for that if it's a first-time offense. >> çóokay. neal, you sent a tweetñiq earli this week. again, i've beens7■ following a this and following all of you. where you said, it's amazi jjñ if i get this actually correct. you'rezv■ not sure you've ever n a 6:00 a.m. deadline before in court. i have to agree with you. it seems strange to me to say, okay, you got to get thist(xi what does that t(mean? !at would say, ñrhey, you guys have six hours to respond to this. we need to get moving on it. is it indicative of a concern that too much timee1 has alread been wasted? seriousness of the crimes being investigated? what does explain the haste tha1 we're now seeinge1 with this caá >> so, we're talking now about not what you were?;■ talking to paul, my colleague, about, about what's going on in new york with alvin bragg but rather that's

going in washington, d.c. and the investigation ofgtrump's dealing potentially hundreds of documents, that some of which were very, very sensitive, national security matters. and what happened is last week on friday, a judge in d.c., judge howel, very respected judge, said basically that >r35a evan corcoran, that he had to turn over his information, including audio tapes and sow3 normally attorneys have ve strong attorney/client privilege with their clients. for the best of reasons. when i have a client coming in to meet with me, they should feel free to tell me their story, what happened and the like and not have to worry that i'm going to then go have to tell it to the authorities later on. but there's an exception called the client fraud exception. that exception occurs when you'rei] using your attorney to

further -- to further commit a crime. so, if my client comes in andñr gives me a bunch of drugs and says to me, sell them. then obviously that i don't get immunity from that and neither doest( the client and both of u can go to jail. so what judge howell said last week, it's looking like that scenario. it's looking likew3 donald trum was committing crimes through husband attorney ore1e1 perhaps attorney himself was potentially liable. we donoíñ know the details -- al the details. but the bottom line is that's what trump tried to appeal yesterday evening. and then the court of awe e1pee, this is our nation's second highest court. and write why trump is wrong on this. so they did that. the government attorneys stayed up all night. they said trump is wrong.

r/$p'd beholde1 this court by 3 said trump is wrong, that these documents and these audio tapes by corcoran havee1 to go to jac smith, the special counsel who ise1 investigating the stolen documents. >> hugo, i want to follow up with you on this. this idea of attorneys being sort of wrapped up ine1 the criminality of donald trump, always something amazing to me because you would thinkr pátorn about, okay, how is the best way to represeu3 my client, but they also have to be thinking about their own sorti] of professiona and legal and financial future. >> well, let's start with evan corcoran because the reality for him is when he goes to testify

before the federal grand jury ii washington, we understand on friday about hisu we talkedi] previously on this show and elsewhere maga

increasingly stands for make attorneys, get attorneys. this is the latest iteration of that. i just wanted to come back very quickly to what neal was saying just now. part of the reason we understand that the order to file briefs in the appeal wasxd so yá=cke1 was because judge jfhowell's initia order instructede1 evan corcora to produce the notes to the government by wednesday. so that wn(q today. and it seems like the appeals court wanted to rule on -- or considere1 a potential appeal before that deadline w3expires. >> suzanna,ok i want to talk to you about this. i think for some -- for people who are absolutely dedicated to this andçó definitely want to s trump punished, seem simple. but you know, "new york times" article talking about the legal intricacies make ore1 break the hush money case against trump, the false business records charge is the bread and butter charges of the district attorneygrñoffice, white collar

practice, prosecutorsxd filed 1 felony counts against 29 individuals and kpaents. prosecutors show mr. trump's intent to defraud included intent to commit or conceal a second crime that crime could be ar break down what that means sort of for just regular okpeople. is it basically trump did something bad and then we have to prove that it's electorallw'y bad? what does this actually mean as far as how these intricacies could play out should this indictment and arrest come? >> right. i think we have to do the disclosure at the beginning is we don't really know what's coming. and there could bem/o additiona charges. and that is bread and butter stuff. that is charged. but they are trying to then tie it to concealing of this hush money payment. but we don't know in there there ■ things that they have. there's been discussion -- this just comes back to ae1 basic thg is when you create a false

business record, why are you doing it? and one reason to do it may be for tax reasons. so there could be a tax implication in here thate1 coul get him in additional trouble. these are things we don't know. we're going to find out when the indictment comese1 down.i] but that's sort of where we're at with it. there are a lot of other unknowns. they could have found other evidence. this case has gone up and gone down in terms of the popularityj in thatñi office should they br■ it, should they not bring it. they could have found additional evidence that could make it a more serious crime. but you summed it up at the beginning in terms of the essence of it. i'm sort of now reaching around for other things that may come into it. >> paul, i want to ask you this because we're looking at multiple cases, right? so you have the one that we're sort of waiting for, which is the hush money with stormy daniels. then we have the other case with mar-a-lago where they had to have the appeals. then we havexd what's happening with business practices inñi ne york andlp mar-a-lago. trump has to have a pretty sort

ofé@■ advanced legal team defeng multiple times.le places at ÷j are they coordinating? does one hand know what the other hand is doing?g i mean, because part of this seems to me that you can't be lying on all these different places without possibly lying to some of the same people. how is he coordinating this? is he basically flying by the seat of his pants and hoping he >> he probably is flyin'■d by t seat of his pants and not listening to his lawyers. what the lawyers are doing is a separate matter. i think the case in new york isc quite differentçó from the othe three cases. those being d.a. willis, her investigation in georgia about whether trumpt( committed electn interference. and the special counsel's investigation of mar-a-lago, whether trump ordered documents and january 6th. manhattan mainly involves trump's conductçó before he bece president. it has a lot to do with hush

money payments, which are not illegal inçó new york. so as you mentioned, it has to bee1 tied to a different theory. still think that is a case of when not if. but i9in, the jury -- the grand jury in new york has heard from seven witnesses that we know about. probably looked at tons ofq documents. remember, when the d.a. inherited this case fromw3 the former d.a. vance, he slow walked it because he wanted to4m ⌝ there are new facts that will come to light, but the d.a.'s office may still be tinkering with a legal theory. theçó other three investigation again, mar-a-lago and january fgzth. >> right. >> those are much moreq consequential and the georgia investigation relates obviously to the january 6th investigation that jack smith isq doing. i still doubt that there's much

coordination between the state d.a., willis, and the federale1 prosecutor jack smith. >> hugo, one of the things thatñi --e1 i tend toxde1 avoid to read donald trump's mind. it'se1 a crazy rat's nest of nonsense and lies and i try toe avoid that the best of my ability in speculating. but you reportede1 that he want this sort of visual spectacle. he wants to actually be arrested and handcuffed. you know, why? why doesw3 the former president want to be arrested and handcuffed? why does he wantw3 that spectac? how does that serve him? ì who support donald trump, theye support him no matter what. they would support him if he shot someone in the head on 5th avenue as he said when he was running for president. the people who don't likeñ1 the former president andeiiut(j he's a danger to this country and don't like the president, they won't ber one way or the other. whyñi does he want that imagery? >> it's a reflection of ñrtrump

own personal, unique anxieties and fears that are coming to the fore. you know, when we spoke to people around trump in the past few days about what he'si] . case and how he wants to cq p become resigned to the fact that he'll be indicted. his reasoning is, if i'm going to get indicted and have to go for fingerprinting and get a mug shot any way and go to new york, then i want to turn into añr spectacle because i want to show defiance and i want to show defiance that might galvanize m■ supporters. it's aerceives his supporters perceive of him. u perceives him.lp$&h(lc% so, wh he doesn't want to look like a loser. we put in the story that when trump'si] team and trump's lawu■ who are very muchxd vehemently

about him coming up to new york, he said something along the lines of, well, i don't care if they shoot me. i'll be unmodest. that's sums up. >> i don't think he's trying to take a shot. our panel is staying with us because we have lots to talk about when it comes to trump's legal woes. "the reidout" continues right after this. trelegy for copd. ♪birds flyin' high, you know how i feel.♪

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and paul butler. neal, i'll start with you. /9ó!■ i look at all these different cases, mar-a-lago, january 6th, e1georgia, new yor there's a wraplp sheet longer tn ice cube's record. all throughout all these different potential things that trump is being investigated for. one of the questions that sort of hits me is his sort of handling of these cases also opening him up to future investigations. what do i mean by that? how is he paying for all this? he has already shown tob the kind of person that lies to his own lawyers. he's obviously at this point going to bee1 absolutely eninsurable. no bank inlp this country would ever want to give this man money again. he is absolutely the person who would be pursued or at least get the interest of foreigni] agencies. is it possible that there are other investigations that could come out about donald trump uiiq >> yeah, exactly.e1 so donald trump is a serial

lawbreaker andjfq someone who h no respect for law enforcement or for ordinary, normal processes. and t(so, you're seeing some of the fruits of that bear out. now with these fourw3 different criminal investigations into him. so, i do think that,e1 you kéou that is a feature of who donald trump is, who he always will e1. the thing about it itfá creates all this collateral damage because it means every attorney he works with now has to get an attorney. i've never seen anything like it. ie1 don't actually know trump attorneys who don't themselves have attorneys and some of the attorneys for the attorneys have to have attorneys, too to defend them. so, we're already three levels into this thing. and no sign that it's going to stop. and trump is known for not paying his legal bills and stuff like that. so, some of these attorneysq alo may have particular things that they're upset about him with. so that's one thing. the other iró i think trumpok ks

this. and that's why you asked earlier,xd are the four differe legal teams that trump's using coordinating. i suspect they're not. paul butler is right on that. but they are coordinating in the sense that they know u modus operandi. his main play book is delay, delay, delay. so we've just seen this week in georgia.ú they filed a dock maymy to usev term filin try to stop the grandñi jury fr indicting him. that isn't going anywhere as a legal matter. all an attempt to stay things, bring the case to the georgia court of appeals and perhaps to the georgia supreme court. even this thing today, which trump lost in the d.c. circuit, our nation's second highest krc ì(lc with respect to that, trump may with respect to that, trump may decide to bring it to5aq supreme ñrcourt, theñr u.s. sup court. there is some reporting that he's not inclined to do that.

i'll believe that when i see it. trump has never missed an opportunity to file au hgñ certainly is not a master o the art of the appeal. and so, you know, i suspect that we will see a filing in the u.s. supreme court despite what some of the signals are right now. so it's all about delay and it's all about trying to push the day ofó reckoning back as far as hi can. and then have this narrative =0"!q i mean, i don't think anyone held a guneó.s to his head and you have to payfá ms.çó stormy daniels $130,000 for what you o election. you know,e1 so,fá i think there lot of voluntary conduct in what's been alleged. >> yeah. these are unforcedt( errors. and to a lot of these things we have been talking about are legal, electoral ord problems. honestly one of the cases always most distressing to me aboute1

trump is the -- this is another key case that really we need to be focussing attention on. judge lewis a. cap lan in manhattan he wouldlpçó allow th "access hollywood" tape and testimony by two other women who say trumpi]ww/s attacked them sy to be included in next month's trial. suzanne, one, how significant is this that tape is coming back and a part of this ñrlptrial. but, two, in all the grander scheme of tv)sták what does it

most of the times he gets into trouble and there's a civil matter. sometimes it can bee1 settled a he decides to fight it and hg3 wastes a huge amount of time when it should have just been settled. but these are marching towards trial. the e. jean carroll case is coming up. he inçó october is facing a hug huge case with the new york attorney general. potentially $250 million. that's what they're seeking. i don't sense that thereok is a move to settle that. and that will be hugely damaging toe1 him if it goes against him. and that's over the valuation -- where he's inflatingok assets, he wants to get a loan and he's depressing them if he's going to the tax man to avoid a tax bill. and thati] is a civil case. but it also alvin5a■ bragg and manhattanlp d.a. more so cy van his predecessor looked at that

case whether to bring a criminal case there. i wouldn't say that is dead right now, but it's -- maybe it's onó[■ the back burner. butlp they could also move forwd with that in the criminal realm. but these civile1 cases can be normally he settles them. two are going tw■÷r trial just s year. >>jyu now can't seem to settle. we're going to hold you accountable. someone whether or not is a habitual liar who doesn't pay people he works with and now you awyer now in trouble and now you again for possibly at( massive miscarriage of ethics and justice. i will play youe1 this audio an get your comments on the other side. he may have worked with stormy daniels and now w+9 trump. >> yes. if there's an issue with that

payment of stormy daniels it was made on behalf of the candidate, okay, it was not declared, that's fair game michael cohen again has made statements that would give riseqweçóe1 to suspi. it's legal agreement, it's fraud if that's the case. >> so you havelp a guy who is working with trump now who hade communicat riu)u$ stormy daniels e1before. i mean, this just gross incompetence, are these people greedy, do they not recognize that we have tapes andçó receip? they've been on television. what can explain this kind of incompetence. >> nothing can explain it. it's a textbook conflict of in>

bout lawyers xception but also not havingt( conflicts with the own clients. and in this case, it's possible that trump's attorney inq manhattan could have to cross-examine stormy daniels. and he could be able to use information that she told him in confidence. you know, going backok to this concern about trump and i hope i have -- get to do the perp walk and should i smile when i have my mug shot taken. i don't know where he's getting thisfá bravado from. even in his civil litigation, we heard from suzanne, he usually settles, which is a law. this bravado, when and if he's charged in a criminal case will quickly exit. he'se1 sounding now like axd th and an old school hip hop moviei almost like you expect him to say if i'm convicted i could do this time in my sleep. the new york case will be called people versus new york. a federal case would be called united states of america versus trump. i'm e;luuvthe state case would

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♪♪ your thoughts on a possible lp ñi trump? >> obviously political exercise% i think it's terrible for our country. it's bad for america generally. >> this is epit mization of the weaponization of the federal government andq department s>:(t(r'"gç political opponents. >> it will blow up our country. this is a bunch of b.s. >> donald trump has even been indicted yet, but the republican organization is already playing defense. gop lawmakers are unsurprisingly standing steadfast crying sham and political persecution and some in the maga base are taking it one step further, comparing the potential indictment of trump toe1e1 jesus christ. one lawyer who is representing a handful of january 6th defendants tweeting, quote, president trumpy1 will be arresd during lent. a time of suffering and

purification for the followers of jesus e1christ. as christ was crucified and rose again on the third day, so too will donald trump. i must have missed a part in the bible where jesus paid hush money to a pornlp star and cleaw donald trump isn't a black man with locks. i don't see the jesus comparison. and forks host tucker carlson, as we know has admitted to lying tow3 his viewers and even hatinn trump passionately. well, carlson is now apparently very concerned about theçó possibility of a trump arrest. and last night made a plea of sortsfá to presidente1 biden as him to save donald trump. >>çó if that happens, america wl never been b thelp same. you have to hope for the same of the country, the biden white house, which will be running against trump, country above partisanship and stop this. merrick garland at doj will say this is wrong, which it is.e1 ap$÷ therefore preserve for grandchildren our justice system. >> and remember, this is not the

first time that tucker has begged biden for help. he wente1e1 to hunter biden to his son get into georgetown. joining me now is michael steele, formere1 chairman of th rns and stewartñi stevens, seni adviser to the lincoln project and msnbc contributor. thank you, gentlemen, so much for joining us on "the reidout" tonight. michagñx i'm notçó shocked by the hypocry that the same people screaming lock herwc/x up about hillary clinton for two and a half years are nowe1 saying that donald trp should be found innocent. what i am curiouse1e1 about is ç

so i appreciate the humor that you put in front of us.ñr especially that last one from tuck 'ems. ç 2ook, the reality of it is,u where are they going to go? put yourselfçhe middle of the pacific ocean on the good ship lolly trump. where are you going? there's no one there to rescue you. you passed up every dingy that came by, you allu where are you ó[ótájjtñ of course they're going to double down, triple down. they have no place else to go. their futures are inextricably tied to this maga grifter. he set it all in motion. they're getting paid. fox news -- where are they losq their advertisers are like, okay, here is another check.5a■

you know. so the game works for them. and the disruption -- here is the secret, the disruption, the people. it's us. >> right. >> it's voters. and that's the one thing about this narrative that's so upsetting that people -- for them, looking5a■ at this and go, you know what, we don't want to play. we've seenáju in election cycle after election cycle and it will culminate a little more in 2024. michael said, look, they're all out on a dingy, right in this is survivor. they're stuck. the host is fálike, hey, you republicans are out here. you can't get away. but there is a guy who thinks he is the dingy that people can cling to and that is ron desantis. now, desantis just did an interview with piers morgan. he says, look, he thinks he's different from trump. you know, when you really look at the people like the founding fathers, it's not desantis. you don't make a mistake in your

personal life. what kind of character are you bringing. stewart, is ron desantis savvy| enough? is ron desantis brave enough? and is ron desantis have enough support to make himself that lafer republican organization? or is he just trying to spin his wheels becauseñi he's hoping th nobody notices the fact that he eats pudding with his fingers and wears funny boots? >> yeah. you know, i thought that was a bizarre interview. i would have liked to beok in t room they said of all the people we could go ine1 front of, we wt to launch an attack against donald trump with piers morgan. you know, most noted forq beinga terrific advocate of gun control. it hadçóe1 the feel of somethin that wasn't well thought of, of sort of frustration. desantis has been going down in the polls. you know, this is what happens to theset( politicians in '16 wn they ran against trump. wh

themselves, who had some success but didn't know how to play it at that level. and were not used to beingi] attacked. you know,i] the bottom line her is you'll know that someone is serious about beating donald trump if they say thatok joe bin is a legally elected president. but this is how autocratic "tvárp+e to pledge loyalty. so all of these people have bought into the big lie now.ñi you know, the party has said officially you can'tñi enter a there is not a strong -- what happens if you oppo3qt lptrump? >> right. >> you're liz cheney. she spoke up and everybody who voted againste1 certification h risen. ie taylor greene, second most powerful person in the house and liz

cheney is thrown out of the party. >> so michael, you've heard me say u do you think that if there is an indictmente1 in se the georgia case, right? or there's an indictment when it has to do with something like january 6th, do you think that is a point where certaioó peopl in the republican organization might be like, all right,u i might have to go somewhere else or pipe downi] a bit. or do you think that none of

so these leeches and eels off his boots? >> you mean, they weren't in real trouble after january 6th? >> that's 5a■true. >> if you weren't in real trouble after january -- what happened in january 6th and the weeks thereafter,>7)q' everybody was saying to the country, oh m1 god, we're done with trump. this is too much. we've gone too far. they go to the house and senate floor and they, you know, beat their breasts and pull out their rosy reeds. that wasn't enough? and so you think getting indicted in georgia is going to suddenly they're going to go, oh, damn. i should have known better. why didn't i leave before? n.v■ no, they'ree1 not. and you're setting the narrative up. you already hear the story lines emerging about how thisoke1 cas< daniels case, is, you know --

shouldn't have gone xdfirst. and that anything after it is now going to belpe1 weakened bys case. so they're already playing thex angles on e1this. no, they're not quitting themselves of trump. they're just not. let use1 all get over ñithat. and now deal in the real with what that means going into 2024. >> stewart, i have a couple seconds before i go to sábreak. i have to ask you about this.ñr we had a report from hugo talking about the fact that sources say that trump wants to be arrested and put in handcuffs. there are legitimate concerns in the public that something like that will exacerbate tensions and lead to more maga terrorists committing acts of violence in the streets. do you think that himçó showing up -- i don't care if he's dressed like the hamburgler. do you think that imagery or symbolisme1 could be a danger oa rallying cry for a cult that's focussed on the man. >> oh, absolutely. look, majority of republicans don't believe that we live in a democracy.

we livee1 in an occupied countr. a certain percentage of these people think not only do they have a right to do whatever it takes to restore democracy, but they have an obligation to. i think it's extraordinarily dangerous. >> michaelxd steele, stewart e1 stevens, thank you so much forç beingx: conservatives that we have to speak to tonight. thank you so much. state ofe1 this union and round up of some of the culture war legislation beine3 proposed by republican state lawmakers across the united states. i'llz you where youi] should be afraid when we come back in a second. ♪♪ taking charge of your health. so every day, you can say... ♪ youuu did it! ♪ with centrum silver. when you have chronic kidney disease. there are places you'd like to be. like here. and here. and here.

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point today. the highest level since 2007. this comes amid economic uncertainty after the recent notable bank failures. nbc's tom costello has the latest. >> with a reputation on a line of a nation central bank -- today shows the path most anticipated, hiking interest rates for the ninth time in a year, making clear that despite low unemployment inflation, running at 6%, it is still too high. >> the process of getting inflation back down to 2% has a long way to go and is likely to be -- >> today's increase, a quarter point. the fed was reluctant to raise rates more after three bank failures in recent weeks. higher interest rates over the past year were a contributing factor to silicon valleys bank collapse after it took a big loss on bond sales. for the first time today, the fed chair publicly a dressed the banking crisis, insisting the cases are isolated. >> our banking system is sound and resilient, with strong capital and liquidity. >> on wall street --

had the fed not raised rates today, the markets might have infer that more banks are at risk. still, the feds regulators are under fire for failing to recognize the bank failure warning signs before it was too late. >> these people have ready access to anything that they need to be able to stop a problem in its tracks. and now it is coming under pretty heavy scrutiny from people saying, where were you? why were you paying attention? >> today, fed chair -- promised a -- >> my only interest is that we identify what went wrong here. how did this happen is the question. what went wrong. >> he says it's clear that the fed needs to strengthen bank supervision to stop a repeat of these failures. >> nbc's tom costello, thank you. that is tonight's read out. all in with chris hayes starts right now.