from them. but for that hour and a half, we were really excited. >> for this confident group, there was never any doubt they'd survive even in rough waters. >> it made me realize, you know, how capable we are. and how scared we are in focused situations like this. >> sam brock, nbc news. >> that's a hard story to cop, but we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports" reports. let's get right to it. at this hour, a man hunt underway in denver for a student who shot two staff members and then fled the scene. we've got a live report ahead. , we are moments away from a key fed decision on interest rates. what it means for wall street and your wallet. >> after housing prices hit

record highs earlier this year, now a decline. how this fed decision could affect the price of your house. and what the biden administration is saying about the state of the economy. we'll have a live report from the white house. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. nbc's business and data reporter brian cheung, did we just get that in? >> the federal reserve has raised interest rates by a quart%é%cypoint. this was as expected. that means that the interest rates at the short-term here in this country are between 4 3/4 to 5%. markets were expecting that the fed was going to raise interest rates. the big story was whether or not they could thread the needle, raise interest rates high enough to take care of high inflation which we're all feeling at the store. at the same time, not raising interest rates so much that it breaks another bank. one of the dominos to fall that led to the collapse, though not

the entire reason was higher interest rates. the fed said in its statement, quote, u.s. banking system is sound and resilient. the federal reserve expects this to be a bumpy process as it continues to handle both inflation and now the banking issues. >> brian, you handled that brilliantly. came in the second we went to air. thank you for that. home prices fell for the first time since 2012 over the last month. we want to dig in what this interest rate hike means for the housing market. we have daryl fair weather here, chief economist at red fin. millions of home buyers took advantage of those falling prices last month. home sales jumped 14 1/2%. what are you looking for with this rate hike? >> extremely sensitive to rates, any small movement is going to

cause home buyers to get off the sidelines and lock in the rate and make a home purchase. as we compare things to last year, rates are higher than last year, higher than january too. so it doesn't look that great in terms of home sales moving forward. it's going to be a much lower spring than it was this time last year. >> owning a home is the biggest investment almost every american will make. as interest rates continue to rise, how concerned should homeowners be about the value of their homes? >> if homeowners compare themselves to where they were last year, that's not really a good comparison because home prices were skyrocketing when rates were at 3%. now the rates have come up, there's been a bit of a recalibration, a return to earth. home values are higher than they were in 2021, 2020. if you thought before the pandemic, you're looking at a lot of equity you can cash in. you're not going to face that much competition to home sellers, because so many home sellers want to keep the home

and the low interest rate they locked in. >> anybody who's gotten a mortgage knows that it's smart to shop. is there a big advantage, maybe even a bigger advantage, given where we are with interest rates so much higher to really carefully shopping around for that mortgage. >> oh, that's the best advice to home buyers to shop around for a mortgage rate. there's a lot to be gained by giving that low interest rate that may be able to save you $10,000 on the list price of the home. >> daryl fairweather, thank you so much. great to have you on the program. nbc's kelly o'donnell following all of the reaction from the white house. it literally just happened. president biden has been counting on the fed to bring down inflation without taking the whole economy down with it. what are you hearing from the administration as this new decision is made? >> we have not heard anything

just yet. the white house is careful to do two things. we want to give space between themselves and letting the fed operate. the white house says that they do have confidence in jerome powell, and they want to see civility for the current banking crisis with the institutions that have failed and the need to shore that up, and to build confidence for consumers and at the same time, to address the ongoing concerns of inflation, and wanting to find a way to thread that needle carefully and to know that so many americans rely on how they feel about the economy and how they judge things like how is the president doing. so this reflects in many ways on how the white house is judged, how the president's performance is judged so there are very significant implications for president biden as they watch this unfolding, chris, as you can imagine. it is one of the things where the white house has limited

direct ability to change events, but enormous for its influence on how they have to live with whatever the outcomes are. as you understand it. and so they are watching this as soon as we get any specific comments from the white house, we'll bring that to you. >> overall, kelly, though, what has been sort of the mood at the white house in terms of the economy. i know what they want to present to the american people. we have seen the president out sort of on the early announced that he's running again campaign trail, but what's the bottom line for them right now as they're looking at how this impacts his reelection chances? >> well, they argue that there are a lot of strengths in the economy, the job picture has been good. they believe that the banking system is strong, and that some of the regulations that were put in since the 2008 crisis are strong. they want to see congress do more to bring about further tightening of institutions that

need to have stress tests and that have not been a part of the most recent kind of evaluation with these kinds of fluctuations and how judgments are made by individual investor groups or the institutions that are being run as we've seen rates go up and that has had the impact on the economy, and so they argue that the stewardship of the biden administration, the president's policies and the people he has put in place from secretary yellen and the national economic council at the white house, and so forth should give the country a sense that things are stable and improving. that's the argument they're making and at the same time, they say that that is showing even when issues come up like a crisis at a bank and a second bank, that the economy is able to withstand that, and that's part of what they want to say is a resiliency in the american economy now. chris. >> kelly o'donnell at the white

house for us, thank you very much. going inside a grand jury. as we wait for a possible indictment, after the jury was told to stay home today, what can we expect? i'll ask a former manhattan assistant d.a. later this hour. plus, vladimir putin and xi jinping just wrapped up a high stakes multiday meeting. the mission from their talks and what it could mean for the war in ukraine. plus, a rare move by u.s. officials issuing a diplomatic rebuke to israel. the potential fallout ahead, you're watching "chris jansing reports" reports only only msnbc.

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we're following that breaking news out of colorado where a man hunt is underway for a denver high school student who police say shot two staff members and then fled on foot. i want to bring in nbc's mauer maura barrett. what else do we know right now? >> this is still an evolving

situation. the suspect, the shooter had run away from the high school this morning. police receiving a call around 9:50 this morning. what we have come to understand after a press conference with the mayor, police chief and superintendent in denver is that this student involved was on a particular safety plan due to previous behavior in which he was required to get a pat down each day when he arrived to school. that was happening on a routine basis when a handgun was recovered, but then that is when the shooting took place. two adult males were shot and transferred to the local hospital. they're described as being -- one is described as being in serious but stable condition, another went into surgery and is in critical condition. police are still looking for the suspect as he ran away from the school. they're seeing if there's surveillance video which can indicate which direction he went. this happened outside the office of the school. no other students were around or injured. paramedics were on site,

treating a student that had an allergic reaction. and get them to the hospital quickly. we don't know much about the shooter because they are a minor, they're a student at the school, described as a black male who was wearing an afro hair style and has a hoodie. that's what police are looking for at this moment. early dismissal was called as they were able to leave school, and we learned that school was cancelled for the rest of the week. we'll stay on top of it as police continue to give updates. as we know they are on the hunt for the shooter, chris. >> thank you. i know you'll let us know as new information becomes available. in the meantime abroad, presidents xi and putin stand united on the world stage against the west during a historic meeting in moscow. it was filled with symbolic gestures, including this, video of the russian leader personally sending off, in his own words, dear friend. president xi officially left the russian capital this morning, and i want to bring in nbc's

janis mackey frayer from beijing. what is the impact of the joint show of force between russia and china? tell us more about this big day. >> china's president xi jinping and russian counter part vladimir putin has claimed their summit as a success, deepening their economic partnership and showing support for each other against international sanctions and a lot of scrutiny. there's some indication that china is or intends to sell weapons to russia, but xi is standing with putin in other ways. the summit happened just days after putin was slighted for war crimes from the international criminal court. they wrapped up with statements and agreements on more than a dozen fronts. everything from scientific research to tv programs showing that russia's economy, which is already isolated and depleted by sanctions is getting even more dependent on china. on xi jinping's ukraine cease

fire proposal, the two men were not committal. they released statements that reiterated positions they have taken over the past year, things like protecting the security concerns of all countries and they agreed that the west and nato are standing in the way of a more meaningful agreement. the white house has been critical of the cease fire proposal of the summit of the china/russia relationship itself, suggesting that if china did want to broker a meaningful deal, it should demand the immediate withdrawal of all russian forces from ukraine. what china gains in russia is a strategic partner that has similar views on the u.s. xi jinping doesn't need russia to win the war, but he does want to ensure that putin doesn't lose. the two men will meet yet again when putin visits china later this year. >> janis mackey frayer, thank you for that. here with me now, admiral james stavridis, former supreme allied commander of nato, so as you

look at this meeting and look, i mean, in the broadest terms, we know that putin who has been absolutely, you know, thrown out of the world community, wanted his reputation shored up a little bit. china, xi, wants to be seen as a peacemaker, did any side get anything substantial out of this meeting, though? >> i would say china did much better than russia and what i mean by that, chris, vladimir putin came to this meeting, essentially with three requests, weapons, weapons, and weapons. that's what he really needs, and his best friend forever, this great bromance produced as far as i can see, thus far, anyway, zero commitment of chinese weapons to shore up this badly flailing russian invasion, so putin certainly didn't get what he wants out of this. on the other hand, i think president xi did. he becomes committed to act as a

great figure here. he's very much in charge. putin is the supplicant, he is able to obtain oil and gas at incredibly good discounts from russia. there's a real economic plus for china. and overall, i would say that xi comes off as a global figure, putin comes off as a diminished junior partner. >> the u.s. is doubling down support for ukraine speeding up delivery of the 31 abrams battle tanks according to the pentagon, and they should get there by the fall. that would shave months off the previous time line. how important is that? >> it's extremely important. and as you know, chris, in the interim leopard tanks, very capable, produced by the germans, owned and operated by many nato allies, those leopard tanks are flowing in in a matter

of weeks, and right behind him are british challenger tanks, so that's the first wave. now these abrams, these are going to be a1 tanks, they're not quite the super high end of the line, they're very very good, still better than anything else on that battlefield, those abrams m1, a1s will fly in from the european tanks. more bad news for vladimir putin's army. >> we're getting new reporting, admiral, about ukrainian soldiers who are training here in the u.s. they're impressing their instructors on just how i didn't carely -- quickly they're mastering the systems. let me read a quote from the "new york times." they are adapting tactics and techniques in realtime in response to russian strikes on electrical grids and other targets back home. now the patriot missile systems are also being moved up on an

earlier time line. talk about that, and you know, we've talked for the full year how impressed everybody is with those ukrainian soldiers. what do you make of how they're responding to this training? >> chris, i would say to anybody listening, put yourself in the position of those ukrainian soldiers. their job is to learn how to use a new weapons system and they're going to use it, here's the point, to defend their families, to defend their parents, to defend their cities, to protect their civilization, their language, they've got to be the most motivated students on the planet earth. i certainly would be in that situation. you would be. anybody would be. so huge motivation, and couple that with what we've seen consistently from the ukrainians since the invasion. they're the magyvers of the

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east palestine resident. >> the anxiety is real. my 7-year-old has asked me if he is going to die from living in his own home. what do i tell him? >> what do i tell him? nbc's ryan nobles joins me now from capitol hill. i know folks listening to this hearing said it was really something. tell us a little bit more about it. >> it certainly was, chris. i mean, to hear from that mom who i spoke to after the hearing as well, emotionally talk about how her family's life has just been turned upside down as a result of this accident, really put into perspective exactly how big of a challenge this community has. the mom told me that they need generational commitments here. this isn't something that's going to be able to be solved in the next two or three years. she thinks over the next 30 years it's going to take for them to fully come out from underneath it. the ceo of norfolk southern

seemed to say they were ready to be in it for the long haul. take a listen to how he responded to some of the tough questions to senators today? >> i'm determined to make this right. norfolk southern continues to make good on its promise to clean the site safely, thoroughly and with urgency. you have my personal commitment that we will get the job done, and we will help these communities thrive. norfolk southern is here for the long haul, and we won't be finished until we make this right. >> the problem, though, with those promises, chris, is that they're not attached to tangible very specific commitments. it's really just an open-ended promise to solve the problem, and what misty, you heard from the mom there and others are concerned about is that any point, that promise could run out, and they can say, we've done everything we can do, and it's time to move on. to put in perspective how difficult this has been for her family, she told me her kids now have to dodge mud puddles

because they're worried there's contaminated water, and the story about how her son and friends have invented a game called evacuation, which mimics hours and days after the explosion took place, and they came up with the game because they're not allowed to play on the playground equipment in their community, chris. >> oh, my god. ryan nobles, what can congress do? is it really just to listen to what the ceo has to say, what the mom has to say? where is the oversight, and who's going to make sure that this railroad makes good on its promises? >> yeah, it's a great question, chris, and it really comes in multiple layers. the issue of fixing the problem in the community, making sure the soil, air and water is safe. that's a long-term commitment that's going to require investment not only from the government but from the company as well, and congress has said they are going to make sure that it is the company that puts the dollars in to solve that problem. there's also the reforms that

are necessary and the rail safety space to prevent something like this from happening again, and there's a comprehensive bill that the senate is working on, sherrod brown of ohio, his counter part, jd vance has a pill they're pushing through as well. while the norfolk southern ceo has committed to aspects of the bill, he's not endorsed it in totality, and the senator told me today that they're going to get the bill passed with or without the help of norfolk southern. >> ryan nobles, thank you so much for that. with alvin bragg's decision to delay the grand jury meeting in new york, the focus shifts from the jurors to the d.a., with frankly everybody trying to figure out exactly what's going on. daniel horowitz is one of the few people with insight into what's happening, he's the former district attorney in new york city. daniel, you know how this works. do you have any idea why the d.a. may have decided to hit the brakes here or at least what are some of the possible reasons?

>> i would say there are two, chris, and thanks for having me. first, there could be logistical issues. i mean, given the security issues around the president's surrender, and the timing between what needs to take place with the grand jury voting an indictment and filing it and getting a surrender, there might be logistical issues given the security concerns because you're talking about the former president of the united states, of course, and perhaps, and i don't think this is the case, there has been some speculation that because there was a last minute witness that the president wanted the grand jury to hear from, bob costello who went into the grand jury on monday, it's possible that the district attorney is considering whether they want to present a additional evidence, perhaps to rebut mr. costello. i dismiss that, though, because i'm pretty confident that the d.a. and his team have been extraordinarily thorough in investigating this, and to the extent that there are witnesses

out there who would back up or corroborate the testimony of michael cohen, who mr. costello apparently trying to rebut, i'm confident that the grand jury has already heard from those witnesses. i think it's a logistical issue. >> tell us the differences between the jury and a grand jury obviously in a court case, in a trial, you have to convince jurors beyond a reasonable doubt. what about in a grand jury, what is alvin bragg's job here? >> the grand jury which has been around from the beginning of our country, it's in the constitution in the united states, and it's in each day constitution. grand jury's job is to decide is there a minimal quantum of evidence that a crime was committed and that a particular person committed that crime. and it is not a standard of beyond a reasonable doubt, chris, as you said, that's what a trial jury has to find.

a grand jury only needs to find that it is -- that there is probable cause, that it is more reasonable than not that a crime was committed and that the person that the grand jury is thinking about charging committed that crime. that's their job. the grand jury is made up of 23 people who have been summoned, they meet in secret. they have to have 16 of the 23 people to meet, and they need a simple majority, unlike a regular jury that has to find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt unanimously. the grand jury only needs to have 12, in other words, slightly more than half of the grand jurors vote in favor of indicting somebody. that's their job, and that's how they work. >> well, we're going to wait and see. daniel horowitz, come back and we'll talk. thank you so much, appreciate it. >> thanks, chris. in what's being called a major breakthrough, authorities in south carolina now say publicly that the case of stephen smith is a homicide

investigation. smith, a former classmate of buster murdaugh was found dead on a rural road just about 15 miles away from the home of convicted killer alec murdaugh in 2015. nbc's blayne alexander has more. >> reporter: stephen smith's death was brought back into the spotlight as part of the murder investigation into the deaths of alec murdaugh's wife and son, when police say that new evidence prompted them to reopen the case. now, the investigation is open and ongoing. meanwhile, buster murdaugh adamantly denies involvement in smith's death. >> eight years after the mysterious death of her teenage son, overnight, the south carolina law enforcement division known as s.l.e.d. confirms that stephen smith's death is being investigated as a homicide. >> based on their review of the forensic evidence, they, too, are convinced that this was not a hit-and-run, that this was

something more. >> reporter: according to lawyers for smith's family, s.l.e.d. has agreed to work with them and participate in exhuming stephen's body for a private autopsy to gather more evidence. it's all validation for sandy smith who told us before the news she never believed her 19-year-old son's death was an accident. >> in my heart, this was not a hit-and-run. i think he was murdered, and i just need the proof. >> reporter: smith's body was found lying in a rural south carolina road back in 2015. state investigators initially ruled it a hit-and-run and no one has ever been charged. in june of 2021, s.l.e.d. reopened the case based on information gathered during the course of the double murder investigation of paul and maggie murdaugh. the agency has not said what that information was. a netflix documentary raised the possibility of a relationship between smith and buster murdaugh. >> there are so many rumors swirling around that buster and stephen were intimate together. >> reporter: in a statement to

nbc news this week, buster murdaugh calls the rumors baseless and denies any involvement with stephen's death. the new development comes weeks after alec murdaugh was sentenced to life in prison for killing his wife and son. lawyers if the smith family say they believe that frees up more police resources and hope will encourage more potential witnesses to come forward. >> someone is burdened with this information. whoever that person is, i'm telling you, talk to s.l.e.d., call us. put this weight down. >> reporter: a hope shared by sandy smith, still desperately seeking the truth. >> i'm a mother. i need answers. >> reporter: sandy smith hopes to see a private independent medical examination of her son's body. a judge has to grant permission in order for that to happen. back to you. high winds and extreme flooding aren't letting up in california. where yet another atmospheric river is hammering the state

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in what must seem to californians like an endless assault, storms are battering the state, killing power to 110,000 households. heavy rain is drenching the region. this is what it's like to drive in santa clarita as the latest deluge bears down. scenes coming out of the center of the state are unbelievable. car after car, submerged after weeks and weeks of storms. meanwhile, a rare tornado warning in southern california last night for people in ventura and l.a. counties. from our affiliate kfcy is live in central california for us. here with me to break it all down is nbc news meteorologist bill karins. delaney, i lived in california maybe about a decade ago. i never ever experienced anything like this.

what's going on where you are? >> well, i think most people would say they've never experienced anything like this, even those who have lived here their whole life. i'm here in ocean, where residents are under an evacuation concern. now, we can see the water isn't too high right now but there is a pretty good amount of consistent flowing water behind us. but the main concern is that nearby lake lopez reservoir is going to overflow, and it's only about 1 foot away from doing so, and the central coast has experienced consistent rainfall since the beginning of the year. we saw significant rain events in januar february, and now as we near the end of march, we're continuing to see rainfall. it's not raining right now, it was raining pretty hard earlier this morning. we're experiencing a break in the rain, but there is more in the forecast.

the potential for that nearby reservoir to overflow is there. so the residents here are under that evacuation warning. now, just weeks ago i was across this creek where the levee had breached and residents were actually stranded near the dunes. and we were out here speaking to residents who say they are tired. they have been under these evacuation warnings since the beginning of the year, but the california office of emergency services says it's important to take these warnings seriously because they are in place for the safety of the public. reporting live, delaney white, back to you. >> thank you so much. and when she talks about how tired they are, bill. how long has this been going on, it feels like week after week after week after week. i cannot even imagine, i mean, obviously there's been loss of life, the most serious thing, but just the constant threat has got to be just over the top at this point? >> the beginning of december, we were begging for rain this winter. we were like, please, don't give

us a winter like last year. last year we didn't get enough rain, and we were hoping for storms, and then when we started getting the storms, it hadn't ended since then. the worst are right after the new year's, just the accumulation. she said we're worried about a reservoir overflowing. we were begging for water to go into the reservoir. we weren't going to have enough water at the end of last year, it's incredible, how much everything has changed as far as the drought is concerned. this latest storm really hit hard yet. that's why we had 200,000 people without power, now 100,000. winds up to 62 miles per hour in downtown san francisco. 100 miles per hour in the hills outside, and that's why all the power outages from monterey to santa cruz, to san francisco. now the storm was lingering. the winds have come down. the winds weren't that bad. today we're worried about isolated down powers. that includes a thunderstorm over any area. we have seen some reports of hail in southern california today, which is extremely rare, and it's just cold. it's just chilly. kind of a raw day, you know,

maybe in the midwest or great lakes or the northeast. we still have flash flood watches. if anything happens, it will be extremely isolated. that's good. now the problem is all the storms going into california, eventually across the country, and this is going to be a problem, tomorrow into friday, this is the ohio valley, this is indiana and this is where it's going to pour. it's not going to stop until saturday, and we're concerned with flooding, anywhere about 20 miles north of the ohio river, 20 miles south of the ohio river, including cincinnati and louisville and paducah, that's where the greatest risk of flash flooding is and the same storm is going to bring severe weather. isolated hail from fort worth to southern oklahoma, chris, the data watch is friday. we have discussed the chance of isolated strong tornadoes, louisiana, mississippi, and arkansas. do you want to talk to residents who are tired of this weather pattern? these are the people that don't want to deal with this again. but they will, friday. >> bill karins, thank you so much, and i'm sure we'll see you

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and the dow so far up 100 points after the signal that it's nearing the end of rate hikes. we'll continue to follow that up 156, 160 points. meantime, there's a rare diplomatic riff between the u.s. and israel. the state department hauling in the israeli ambassador to the u.s. as the biden administration protests changes to israeli law that allow new settlements on the northern west bank. nbc's raf sanchez is following that story from jerusalem. this really is a rare rebuke from israel's closest ally and it comes at a time when benjamin netanyahu's new right wing government is already facing protests at home. put this all into context for us. >> reporter: to understand why the biden administration is so angry about this, you need to go back 20 years. that's when israel gave the bush administration an explicit promise that they would remove settlements from this sensitive part of the northern west bank,

and they would not return, and this change in israeli law clears the way for settlements to return once again, so the biden administration is saying israel is not only going back on its word of two decades, but it is doing it at a particularly sensitive time of increasing violence. i want you to take a listen to what the state department deputy spokesperson had to say about this. >> just two days ago israel reaffirmed its commitment to stop discussion of settlements, and stop authorization of outposts for six months. coming at a time of heightened tensions, the legislative changes announced today are particularly provocative and counter productive to efforts to restore some measures of calm as we head into ramadan, passover, and the easter holidays. >> now, you heard him there talking about the start of ramadan. that is a joyous time for muslims across the world, including palestinians in jerusalem. historically, it's been a time of heightened tension,

heightened violence. i was speak to go a security official yesterday. they are very concerned that what has been bad violence is going to get worse over the next month. netanyahu is trying to tread a fine line between the far right members of his government, and an increasingly frustrated biden administration. he said today that he's happy that the israeli parliament changed this law, but he's also saying that his government has no plans right now to actually build estimates in that part of the northern west bank, and, chris, this is all coming as we've spoken about many times during this basically unrelenting wave of protests here in israel against netanyahu's plan to weaken the supreme court. protests that we are expecting to continue tomorrow. chris. >> raf sanchez, thank you so much for that. the fight for boris johnson's political future is in full swing. the former prime minister getting an hours long grilling

by party member for partygate. in laying out his partygate defense, johnson gave some colorful context to a birthday gathering that made worldwide headlines. >> a number of officials came in to wish me a happy birthday. no one sang. the cake remained in its tupperware box, unloaded by me, and were later discovered and eaten by my private secretaries. it is a measure of how innocent we thought this meeting was. an slightly exaggerated version was leaked to the times, and yet nothing untoward was apparently detected either by the reporter or by millions of eagle eyed readers. >> so did they buy it? will the former prime minister be allowed to stay in parliament? nbc's ali arouzi is in london following it all. what more did johnson have to say, and what is the expectation

for his political future? >> as you can see from the video, there's always an element of political theater from boris johnson and his decision. today's hearing was no exception. he started off by saying hand on heart, i haven't lied, and all the statements he said that he made were made in good faith, but he also admitted that when he was answering questions in parliament during the pandemic that no covid rules were broken, and everything was above board, that he may have strayed away from the truth. it wasn't deliberate, and it was based on advice that members of his cabinet were giving him, but the committee really grilled him on a lot of these issues. they brought out photographic evidence of him attending policies or gatherings, or leaving parties with a drink in his hands, with no social distancing amongst the people in the room, with large numbers of people in the room. they said this just wasn't the rules that were being observed and he said, look, it just

wasn't possible sometimes. he said, you know, number 10 downing street is an 18th century london townhouse, cramped and cold, and it's always possible to observe rules, and other mitigating circumstances were taken, like sanitizers and opening windows to deflect from the social distancing. but they were relentless in his questioning, but he was very bullish in his defense. so look what happens now? that select committee is going to go away. they're going to deliberate all of this evidence, and they'll probably come to some sort of conclusion in the summer. but i've got to tell you, chris, amongst political pundits here in the uk, they feel this was a shakespearean moment for boris johnson, and this is probably the end of his political career. >> in the land of shakespeare, a shakespearean moment. ali arouzi, thank you so much for that. we'll keep a watch on it. a look at star power that for just a little while arguably upsaged the political power at

the white house. president biden honoring 23 americans who have made major achievements in the arts and humanities, from actor, producer and writer, mindy kaling to the iconic fashion designer, vera wang, the empress of soul, gladys night, the boss himself, bruce springsteen, and even one former president, well, sort of. >> my friend, president julia louise dreyfus. i got to talk, whether she liked being vp or president better. >> as you probably know, julia louie dreyfus who played the vp, and later president on her show veep jokingly crumbled under the weight of the medal. and got a nice hug. that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 eastern until 3:00 on msnbc. our coverage continues with

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happy to have you here, happy monday. there's still more to find out, still more to get to the bottom of. finally we started to get answers. watch this space. good to be with you, i'm katy tur, why did manhattan d.a. alvin bragg call off today's meeting of the grand jury. two sources familiar speaking to wnbc say bragg told jurors to stay home today and to be on stand by for tomorrow. well, the schedule is never publicly confirmed or denied. it has been standard for this grand jury to meet