>> we're going to bring yo everything you need to kno about donald trump's statement that he expects to be arrested this coming week -

the legal, financial, political, and psychological angles to it all. we've got it all covered we are also going to take yo back to where it all started 17 years ago, with an allege affair and figure out how we got to this point in time. and will examine the stunnin revelations this week from another investigation into trump. fulton county has another recording of a cal trump made pressuring an official to overturn the results of the 2020 election i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ tonight, we begin with the news everyone i talking about for better o worse. this morning, donal trump posted on social media claiming that leaks from the manhattan district attorney' office indicate that he will b arrested this coming tuesday to be absolutely clear, nb news cannot confirm that claim and at this hour, there ha been no official announcemen from the manhattan da's office and no indication that charges

have actually been filed against donald trump. that said, they were major developments this week in district attorney alvin bragg's investigatio into trump's role in the 201 hush money payment made to adult film star, storm daniels. on, wednesday daniels herself met with prosecutors from the manhattan da's office the same today that former trump attorney michael cohen finished testifying in front o the grand jury hearing that' being hearing evidence in that case. here's cohen, a shor time ago speaking with m colleague, al sharpton >> he's trying to threaten the american judicial system tha not just alvin bragg, but fani willis in georgia, washington, any court that thinks that the are going to bring donald trum in, i'm going to call fo protests this is who he is. this is an autocratic want t be this is a guy that doesn't wan to be president of the unite states, he wants to be our our

monarch, the ruler, the furo fuhrer -- law enforcement and security agencies are preparing for the possibility that trump will be indicted as early as next week before we get to my expert panel, i want to make one thin absolutely clear here. donal trump posted this mornin knowing that the news medi would make a big deal abou this of course, the possible arrest of a former president is big news but on this show, we believe that he posted this informatio because he wants to control th narrative. we're not going to left him. we are going to have conversations throughout the next two hours on our terms, talking about what reall matters, and doing so with the caution and sobriety that it deserves. let's bring in our all-star panel to make sense o this. all. all matthew dowd, the chie strategist for the bush cheney presidential campaign, msnbc political analyst. susanne craig, investigative reporter,

the new york times animus nb contributor. we danny cevallos an msnbc legal analyst and david corn, the washington bureau chief at mother jones and contributor. it's good to have all four o you with us. so, there with me. there's lots to break down here david, i want to star with you michael cohen says this is really a fundraising opportunity for donald trump take a listen to this. >> not only does he want there to be another violent protest, he's also looking to do th great grift, continue the grea graft, and obtain campaign contributions off of this. oh, they're attacking your favorit president. send me $5, send me $10. it's all part of the great grift. >> so, broad question to you here, matthew, just to start off, your reaction to trump' post and why you think h decided to try and get ahead o the narrative. >> well, i'll start with the

second part first. he doesn't want to get ahead o the narrative because he doesn't want to be hel accountable. this is a guy who, throughou his entire life, has managed t slip and slither and push an cajole and yell and scream his way out of accountability. and now, when th accountability is moving close and closer and closer to mar-a-lago, he's doing the sam thing using every opportunit he can i actually think it's less about raising money and more about what happened in advance of january six he's trying -- and you already see it through some republican mouthpieces, who are saying, why are we doing this if this could cause a problem? as if we should hold off o justice because donald trump i going to push and pull peopl to do things they shouldn't do in the course of this. and i think he knows that. i think he knows that. the sad thing about all this though, ayman, is that he woul actually benefit in th republican primary from an indictment >> yeah, we are going to tal about the political fallout of this in just a moment. but suzanne, let me get your

thoughts on all this alvin bragg, as expected, is not commenting on trump's post do you have any sense of the chatter behind the scene through your reporting >> well, one thing that' interesting -- it was in the new york times today, this afternoon -- is that there still a witnes to come before the grand jur on monday. i think this is a flui situation. it does not mean that it won't happen tuesday i think of the grand jury come to a decision on monday that there should be an indictmen they can move quickly, and d it tuesday but potentially, we don't know how they are going to handle the actual arrest of donal trump, and if he does come i he's going to need some notice come in from florida and they're going to have to coordinate with his lawyers. that's done in all sorts o cases. if the person needs to b physically on the scene, the may do it differently becaus of the extraordinary nature of this but we are still looking at witness that's going to be coming forward on monday we don't know who it is. it could be a summation witnes

from the da's office it could be yet another person like stormy daniels could be coming in. but it could take a little bit longer we just don't know and i have a feeling donal trump -- you know, somebody may hav called one of his lawyers an told him he might have to be here on tuesday. that could be where this started. or he could have just wanted t throw it out there on saturday, to see what happened we just don't know >> danny cevallos, walk us through what would happen, i he is indicted next week what would we expect procedurally >> procedurally, what normally happens in manhattan is yo report to the pre-six, there's a process there. then you go to central booking your process there, and then you have to wait around unti your first court appearance. that's not what is going t happen to trump. there's no way they are too many problems i secret service, and the fact that he has to be protected at all times. you are not going to stick him with a bunch of people, even i it's only for a couple hours this is going to be negotiated he will be treated differently because he is a former president. and there are security

concerns but otherwise, once he i processed this case will proceed at the same glacia pace as criminal cases do in your county and have for man years, unless he gets specia treatment, in which case i moves up and that's what we need to watch for. because the big question becomes, when do the major advance happen, trial or otherwise, relative to the election that's the key question. and then we need to grappl with the - year issue, that the framers never thought of, which is what do you do we know we can't prosecute a sitting president. what if you prosecute a sittin president candidate and that candidate becomes the president? the whole idea of unmuted even a president is if the presiden is the one person in governmen that if you arrest him you literally arrest an entire branch you can arrest a supreme court justice, you can arrest congressman, life goes on. but the president you arrest - he sits in the cell and yo arrest the entire executiv branch so, it's an interestin constitutional issue coming up >> i was going to say, legally speaking, we probably don' have an answer to some of thes questions. could the timelin of the trial the advanced so

that it concludes before a potential election day? is tha something that people have eve talked about or discussed or considered >> yes, judges hav considerable discretion. but it might just be a trial calendar issue i'm grappling with this as well judges are still grappling wit covid delays because every trial you dela just gets backed up in the pipeline can you prioritize a trial absolutely there are mechanisms for that. judges have a lot of discretion so, i imagine that's what woul happen here. they would move it up to faster but what if trump wants to delay? what if trump wants to pus this into the next election an use it politically believe me, one way or another he's going to use this >> great point there david, there is no evidenc that trump will be indicted or arrested but his comments, as w mentioned, they are newsworthy how should the media b covering this without playin into his effort to control the narrative? i have to say, this morning, h probably posted that on trut social not a lot of followers - it's certainly not the million he once commanded on faceboo

and twitter and instagram. but certainly, because it is him making that statement, the media when ran with that and now it is all around the world >> yeah, i think you need to report it within the context this tweet - well, it's not a tweet - this post did not come in vacuum a couple of months ago h posted that he wanted to pardo all january 6th arrestees. and just a couple of days ag he basically said they did nothing wrong. those posts indicate that this is a man who is not opposed to political violence he wants to even reward an protect the people who came ou and committed violence and - cops for him back on january 6th. so, when he puts out a pos today in advance of a possible indictment and suggests it's time to come out and hit the streets and protest, it's not, please do this responsibly he has already indicated tha

he wants - that he's in favor of politica violence that helps him. i think that this should b seen as another example of his authoritarian impulses and his willingness to go outside th law to prevent accountability. so, we tend to get very worked up, often, as we should, all over an individual outrage from trump but we need to look at the whole trend and the whol continuation of what he's been doing for a couple of year now. and that's why i think thi post is very troubling i don't think it will lead t the violence of january 6th. because he has not organized anything that happened o january 6th. but it's still out there giving a signal to proud boy and others, i want you in th streets defending me. becaus this is illegitimate >> matthew, to david's point

trump playing -- called on his supporters t protest echoing the language h used on the run up to januar 6th. which was organized. even marjorie taylor green said republicans shouldn't protest. what are your thoughts on this >> on whether or not the should protest i mean, i hope - i would hope that republican are responsible and if a president, even their presiden is indicted, they allow th system to go in place like it' supposed to in america i think we are in the situatio where we have allowe presidents for the last 50 years to have no accountability and i think it started wit gerald ford's pardon of richar nixon, which opened the door t other people saying they're no going to be held accountable this idea that a sitting president can't be indicte isn't in the constitution. it's a rule that was done by a series of attorneys general. i think that opened the door and if this -- we get to the point wher anybody is allowed to be pushe back because of donald trump's threats, we are again, one ste closer to the idea that we don't have a presidenc

anymore. we have an autocracy and i think that's what we hav to keep our eyes focused on. >> susanne craig, stormy daniels spoke with new yor prosecutors a few days ago if he testifies to the grand jury, what could she add t this case at this point? >> well, it's a good question. i think the grand jury has now been looking at evidence for months now they have been hearing various witnesses that have come in. and all of it goes to is - what sort of evidence is out there that's not hearsay that' not conversation with somebody and they have been looking a phone records. they have been looking at bank accounts and stormy daniels may not eve be called in if she did, she would have likely been mainly conversations that she's had with michael cohen, with michael cohen's -- his other lawyers that hav been involved. i'm not sure that she would be the one to come in i think she can add a lot to the trial. i think they called he initially just see what sh would say.

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our coverage, with my expert panel. matthew dowd, danny cevallos susanne craig and david corn -- what would the actual lega charge be, potentially, agains donald trump what's the crime he's accuse of committing if this is i fact an indictment >> the theory everyone's - hearing is a crime calle falsifying business records, i new york the default is it's misdemeanor. but if it's done during th commission or to further another crime, it can be bumpe up to a felony and this is where i think th da runs into a problem because of the theory of tha

felony crime is election law violation, i i think the payof to stormy daniels -- again, i'm a defense attorney, so take this with a grain of salt, i may have some bias but i think the theory o liability, here on election la violation, is a strange as i was six years ago, and if this that by michael cohen paying off stormy daniels, that silence that they got was benefit to the campaign that was not reported it's not the typical electio law violation which, for example, in the case of john edwards -- just to give you an example, h wasn't convicted - is, hey, he took a bunch o money, actual money, cash, whatever it was -- >> - material benefit - >> yeah, the material benefi is money it's very obvious. and this case, stephanie clifford, stormy daniels didn't give the campaign cash, she gave them her silence. >> that wouldn't have helped them, we did not couldn't you make that argument? >> yeah, if you make tha argument, and everything tha helps you is a contribution to the campaign that must b reported favorable news coverage, those kinds of things. i know a lot of people are a

their outing, saying, it's not the same thing but the key is, can the defens attorneys make it seem like th same thing to one juror? so, we may disagree. but if reasonable mind disagree, that sounds like a lot like reasonable doubt. and that's a problem for the prosecutors. so, the worst-case scenario fo alvin bragg is this. he charges the felony. it gets thrown out somehow by motion and alvin bragg is left to prosecuting donald trump for a misdemeanor. a misdemeanor case in newark county - i think that would be a real political problem for alvi bragg and a political boon for trump. >> david, do you want to respond to what danny said he's giving us the legal expertise here do you have a different take o why alvin bragg should pursu this case if in fact he' potentially indicting donald trump? >> i think right now it seem pretty clear that alvin brag has gotten so far down thi road that it's almos inconceivable that there is no an indictment at the end o this i mean, after asking trump t come in and testify, all the time he spent with michael

cohen, over 20 visits -- it really seems like the believe there is a case. i guess the argument - i'm not a lawyer, i'm not goin to play one on tv. i'm not up against danny but the issue is that this is campaign action that michael cohen was helping the trum campaign as part of this campaign, by spending this money, that would be an in kin donation of some sort. that's why this violates new york city campaign law so, everything with trump' unprecedented. this is sordid if we just sit back for moment - we have the former president o the united states who is now the leading candidate, one o the two major parties of presidential nomination in 202 -- he may be facing indictmen because he had his fixer pay $130,000 to an adult film star that's kind of amazing this is not what the founders, or any members of congress who

wrote the campaign finance law had in mind. it's totally beyond what w even envisioned in the days of watergate. so, i think that if it is novel, that will make it harder for any prosecutor to do something new and different. but i'd be surprised if at thi point alvin bragg doesn't feel confident enough to proceed. >> let me pick up on that poin for, you susanne, that david talked about, alvin bragg bein so far down this road -- michael cohen spent hour speaking to the manhattan gran jury this week after trump turned down his ow invitation to testify -- does that signal anything to you about the prosecutor progress here? >> i think david really hit it out of the park in terms o where this is at this is very far down the road one question, though - and i don't know the answer. i wondered it. they were far down the roa another case, that seemed very

strong and that was the valuation case this happens where donald trum will have a property and if he needs a bank loan, h will come in and inflate it in order to get the loan and he's dealing with the irs he suppresses the value of things they have a lot of information about that, about false record that were submitted to banks that case has been picked up b the attorney general in ne york and has is being brough as a civil case, it's going to trial in the fall. and alvin bragg is looking a that and he was fairly advanced o it he still may move forward with that case. but why the stormy daniels cas picked up steam and they wen ahead with that first is just fascinating question i think we may know more about it if there is an indictment and we can read the charges an read some of the evidence that they have, they may have picke up additional evidence in th last few months that we don' know about but that is just one questio

hanging over this. mark pomerantz, one of the prosecutors involved i developing that case - he resigned over all of this and has written a book on that it's worth reading this if you are a student of this, just to understand it better but that's the one question have and we may learn about it more if this is advancing to an indictment >> matthew, let me ask you about this speaker mccarthy, this morning promised to use houses power the peoples house and all th power that it commands to investigate the manhattan district attorney. this is a guy they didn't have to tweet anything out today, it's not an official indictment, there is no indictment, ther is no actual news, there is no it's - president on his social medi posting what he thinks is goin to happen. and the speaker of the house the person third in line second in line to th presidency, jumps in and say he's going to use the power of his agency, the congress, to investigate the manhatta district attorney.

why? >> i mean, i actually thin what speaker mccarthy did is far worse than the posting o donald trump and we've talked about - >> i have agree with you i agree with you i think it's shameful. >> - is encouraging - encouraging people to try to protest so they don't take charges. what speaker mccarthy did wa basically an official of the government, the third rankin official in the united state of america, trying to put hi whole foot, body, arms on th scale in order to get -- well, let's call it a politica partisan friend of his, so he' not tried in a case and he's not held accountable that, to me, is far worse. and it's very frightening to me, that for all of our accusation and all of the things abou donald trump and his autocrati movement, it seems that that virus that donald trump le loose eight years ago has no seeped into the entire body of

the republican party for speaker mccarthy to do that, as you say, for no reason othe than to put his foot on th scale of justice, and to pry try to prevent a forme president from getting indicte for crimes is far worse than donald trump's ravings of a ma man on social media. >> yeah, i completely agre with you on that one, matthew. david, i want to ask you about the public here. the years of news about donald trump -- it's had a numbing effect on a lot of americans a lot of americans probabl just want this guy to go away. they don't want to constantl hear about how he is testing our system and pushing the limits of our system to th brink. how do you think, a historic development, like a potentia indictment, if it does happen, would register with th american public? >> it think all the evidence o the last eight years - and i'm sorry to say this -- is that whatever happens in th indictment will be viewed by many people, and viewed by commentators on all sides,

through a political lens, with tribal eyes, political lens -- and he's done a great job of setting up this foundation tha -- i told you they are going to come get me, they hate me. these radical liberals, thes democrats. they want to destroy america that means destroying me, whic means destroying you as he talks to his voters -- and so that's how this will al play out we it's not the substantiv pros and cons -- this is a strong indictment, a week indictment -- it will play out as a politica act. and just what matthew said a moment ago about speaker mccarthy, and how he has politicized this - i mean, republicansgo on and on about the weaponization o government that is the best example of th weaponization of government by threatening a local official who is trying to go by the law by his view of the law so, i think this will not make donald trump go away this will not make people wh don't like donald trump like t

less - it will just intensify all the feelings and all the triba politics out there and it will force th republican party - i think this is bad news for ron desantis in some ways, maybe to rally around trum even more, because he will demand it. this is the oath of loyalty he will demand from all republicans. support me on this, mccarthy already has. you are in the ring with me. >> yeah, i was going to, say i'm totally with you on this when i think republicans are all about protection when they are coming out and saying the weaponization o government they're projectin that that's exactly what the intend to do with the powe they currently have. danny, let me play for you thi soundbite from donald trump' attorney in this, who was with my colleague ari melber earlie this week. watch this defense argument. >> even if you put in your checkbook -- values me -- purchased a horse. that's inaccurate. that's a lie, maybe. but there's no crime there because this filing would no

-- influence an election. there was nothing hidden there was no obligation to disclose this to an election campaign committee at all. >> does that legal argumen hold water >> for the election la violation, there is a point to be made there. and it goes back to my analysi where i compare the classi election law violation which is, i give you a bag of money, you fail to reported, it's you campaign, you are th candidate. that's the classic case. the case of stormy daniels is lot more complicated than that you have michael cohen doing the paying and then he's reimbursed and then we do we even know if trump was the person actuall signing things he has notoriously, a lot of as there were described in the godfather, buffers he has people who do his wor for him. so, joe tacopina, his attorney may have a point there but it's also a point that the prosecution can weave into a crime. so, reasonable minds here coul probably differ on whether the payments to stormy daniels wer

a crime. but by themselves, hush mone payments are not necessarily crimes strangely enough, if you are the one demanding the hush money payment, you may b extorting a victim but that doesn't appear to b what happened. >> really, really quickly -- smart move by his attorney t do that interview and kind o give away what a defense tragedy might look like? now allen bragg may have som insight into their thinking. >> probably not. but at the same time, when you are an attorney, a lot of th times you may make strategic recommendations to your client they often don't follow it i wrote a column on this o msnbc.com, if i can plug it, about this exact issue yes, the rest of the panel, write stuff too. not as well as you do. but i do write things from tim to time. [laughter] the key is here, sometimes you don't have a choice. sometimes the client says, i want you to go out there, ge ahead of this. and a lot of times you have to say, yes, sir. -- it's great to see you in person >> it's been a couple of years since i've seen you, susanne

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eggland's best. cage free and organic. ♪♪ >> all right, let's talk about mccarthy for a moment. no, not kevin mccarthy joseph mccarthy. in a piece for msnbc. com, congresswoman judy chu say that she is the target of, quote, the rights ne mccarthyism. and not just from he republican colleagues, but als from right-wing media outlets. here's how texas congressman lance gooden spoke about congresswoman chu just las month. >> i think every one that is standing up for the chines communist party should b looked into. i question her either loyalt or competence. i'm really disappointing and shocked, that someone like jud chu would have a securit

clearance and be entitled to confidential intelligenc briefings. >> loyalty now, what could congresswoma chu have done to lose lanc goodin's trust she voted against creating a committee to investigate u.s china competition, which she feared would intensify anti-asian hate. for the record, 65 of he democratic colleagues also voted against that panel and she also defended dominic ng - against racist attacks from th right. so, congressman lance gooden believes congresswoman chu mus be loyal to the u.s. because she denounces anti asian hate. never mind that goodin supported overturning the 2020 election results, an actual ac of disloyalty. -- the rights ugly and fals accusations built on the

centuries long stereotype that chinese americans and asia americans more broadly are forever foreigners in their ow land democratic congresswoman jud chu of california joins me now congresswoman, thank you s much for coming back on th show it's great to see you. we have a lot to talk about in terms of what we originall what we wanted to talk to yo about, which is that segment i just outlined. but i do want to get you reaction to donald trump socia media post this morning. what do you make of this development? >> i think that he's trying to incentivize the right to b even more sympathetic to him the fact that he would actuall announced the arrest himself makes me wonder if he's trying to do something similar to a january 6th move, which is t get his supporters to be eve more fervent in their support.

-- >> let me get to the piece h wrote on msnbc.com you write in part, this ne fangled mccarthyism combines red scare tactics, racism, and xenophobia the allegations which won' stop with ng and me ar downright dangerous. how dangerous are these attack for you personally, and for th aapi community >> i feel that lance gooden pu a target on my back by sayin that i was disloyal and should be investigated as a spy for china. and it is outrageous, it's disgusting, it is downrigh racist because it is based on thi forever foreigners stereotyp that chinese americans and asian americans have faced for decades. but it is dangerous overall. and it comes on the heel o three years of anti asian hate when president trump called th covid-19 virus, china virus.

we have 11,500 anti asian hate crimes, and incidents and wh knows where these accusation of being spies for china could lead it only fans the flames of xenophobia >> yeah, and it seems like it' become more of the mainstrea republican party the gop in recent years has bu more focused on these sorts of culture wars and racis rhetoric rather than solving issues for the american people this racist rhetoric, i'd argu plays into the gop's main work as a whole, no >> well i think that they ar dividing society and they are playing their culture wars that is clear in terms of what they are doing with the chin select committee that's why i did vote agains the china select committee i thought that it coul increase zena phobia

and guess what it did because it was a signal to people like lance gooden tha they could accuse me and dominic ng of being spies fo china. naturally, they are no stopping there the numbers that they ar pointing out are increasin every day, including the lates ones being the former mayor of our local city, and the former president of an esteemed community group, chinese consolidated benevolen association. so, they are pointing fingers. it's downright scapegoating. and what is really disturbin is that history could repeat itself because, let us not forget that, when japanese americans were incarcerated, it did not happe overnight. they first started going after the leaders and used that to isolate them several months later, japanese americans lost everything that they had in the camps. and it was based on an accusation of espionage by

japanese americans, though not a single case was ever found >> i'm so glad you bring u that point because the troops of dual loyalty and disloyalty i think are rampant right now. and we need to fight them ever chance that we get let me ask you about something that hits close to home to you district, and that's thi executive order that president biden signed this week it's designed to increas background checks. he signed it while visitin monterey park, california, as mentioned 11 people were kille in a mass shooting there bac in january monterey park is part of you district how important is this executiv order, and what did it mean to you that biden signed it while visiting your district >> well, i was so gratifie that he came to the district we still have a hole that' gone through our hearts. because of the shooting, and the community had yet to heal. so, for the leader of th

nation to come and console the families of the 11 who wer killed, as well as the nine wh were wounded, and to console the whole community which is still traumatized, was very, very meaningful. he reflected on his ow experiences, and the victims families really appreciated it and the fact that he had thi executive order on gun safet was also very, ver significant. for instance, the shooter ma have been caught with a re flag law that is, he was mentally deteriorating, he wa accumulating ammunition, and surely someone in the circle knew about it. but i'm not sure that people i the immigrant community know that a red flag law even exists so, in his executive order, he is going for enhanced outreach

to communities for that. and also, he's pointing to the fact that fema will go into community when there's a natural disaster and coordinat resources. but there isn't such a thing for mass shootings, and yet th community is in utter chaos. there needs to be greate coordination of all th resources that are available and that's what he is saying i this executive order should be done >> congresswoman judy chu, thank you so much. i greatly appreciate your time as always. >> thank you so much >> next, the 17 years of decisions, and cover ups tha brought donald trump to this moment we are gonna break it down 12 hours!! not coughing? hashtag still not coughing?! mucinex dm gives you 12 hours of relief from chest congestion and any type of cough, day or night. mucinex dm. it's comeback season. (cecily) oh hey seth, you getting ready to roll? muc(seth)m. yup! (vo) right now is the best time to roll into verizon and switch.

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bring him to the precipice of possible indictment, startin with july 2006 according to an interview, stormy daniels would give to 6 minutes in 2018, daniels meets trump at the celebrity gol tournament in nevada she says he invited her to dinner and she met him at hi hotel suite, where they ha sex. daniels is 27. at the time, trump's 60. in may 2011, stormy daniel gives an interview to in touch magazine, describing her encounter with trump and exchange for $15,000 two employees later tell cbs news that the interview neve ran because michael cohen, trump's attorney at the time threatened to sue when the publication asked trump fo comment. and then, we get to 2016 and trump's run for president. in june of that year, kare mcdougal, an actress and forme playboy model, begins trying t sell a story of an alleged affair she had with trump in 2016 2007. she retains attorney keith davidson, who approaches the national enquirer about possible deal.

on august 5th, the nationa enquirer secures the rights to karen mcdougal's accounts fo $150,000 but never publishes her story. and federal prosecutors late say the agreement was meant to suppress her story, so as to prevent it from influencing th election on october 8th, stormy daniels is now also represented by keith davidson, who tells th editor in chief of the nationa enquirer that she's willing to go on the record about her alleged affair that news travels to michael cohen, and cohen negotiates deal to pay daniels $130,000 i exchange for the rights to her story and a nondisclosur agreement. on october 27th, cohen wires $130,000 to stormy daniels attorney on november 8th, trump i elected president. in the same month he i inaugurated, january 2017, michael cohen seek reimbursement from the trump organization for that paymen he made to stormy daniels.

then, we fast forward a year on october 13th, 2018 -- michael cohen acknowledges making the payment to stormy daniels for the first time, bu denies being reimbursed an says it was not connected to the trump campaign they're both assertions he would later we can't on march 6th, daniels, who i now represented by attorne michael avenatti, sues trump and essential consultants ll in california in an attempt to nullify her nda, arguing tha the deal is invalid since trum never signed it. on august 21st of that year, cohen pleads guilty to eight federal charges of tax evasion fraud and campaign finance violations related to th payments to daniels an mcdougal and he later tells a federal court in manhattan that trum directed him to make the payments jumping to august 2019, th office of manhattan district attorney cy vance subpoenas th trump organization for records related to the payments.

and a year later, in july 2020 the supreme court sides with vance in a 7 to 2 ruling finding that trump is no immune from the da's subpoena. but it will take until februar 25th of 2021 before vance' office obtains trump's tax returns. on november 2nd of that year alvin bragg is elected as th next manhattan da. and that brings us to this year, 2023 in january, michael cohen meet with investigators from th da's office, a sign that alvin bragg's investigation is picking up steam at the end of the month, the new york times reports tha alvin bragg has convened a grand jury to examine th evidence in the hush money probe, and that gets us to thi month, march on march 9th, the da's offic invites trump to testify befor the grand jury four days later, on march 13th trump's lawyer says he will no be testifying before the grand jury that same day, michael cohen testifies before the grand jur for the first time

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investigation into donald trum is just one of several ongoing probes that threaten the e president and his troubles might be even worse in fulto county, georgia. this week, nbc news confirme that during their investigatio into efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in georgia, members of the fulton county special grand jury hear a recording of a phone cal between trump and georgia' then house speaker david ralston. during that conversation, trum pressured ralston to call special legislative session to overturn - joe biden's victory in georgia back with me is matthew dowd and also joining the conversation, msnbc lega analyst and former federal prosecutor carol lam carol, i will start with you o this this follows, obviously, the infamous phone call that w have all heard 1000 times, the

one to georgia secretary o state brad raffensperger it was recorded between him an trump, where trump infamousl pressured him to overturn th results. talk about what it means t have a second potentiall damning call to a differen part of the georgia government >> it means a couple of things first, it's obviously -- phone calls, recorded phon calls, are the best kind o evidence you can possibly have when you hear the defendants o the targets voice on the recording. it's especially important here because ralston passed away in november of 2022 so, he's not available as witness. but that won't prevent thi particular recording fro coming into evidence and so, when you have not on but two recordings showing tha the former former presiden trying to influence not only the investigation, but the actual outcome of th investigation, it's really

devastating evidence that -- it just plays very poorly fo the defendant in a courtroom >> matthew dowd, the four four woman on the grand jury, emily kohrs -- told nbc that this phone cal lasted about four minutes. she calls at one point, that trump asked speaker rolston -- essentially asked him who woul stop him from holding a specia session to overturn th election, essentially asked hi who would stop him from holdin that special session and according to kohrs, ralsto responded, a federal judge that is who. what your reaction to this >> well, we continued it, as w have for a long period of time as we open up this box o donald trump, we continue to b amazed at the levels of whic he is willing to go up under and above any bounds of law an ethics and legality in this in order to maintain power in thi in the course of this -- to me, all of this is sad an is despicable. i think it is the behavior i --

what offends me more, which think will offend more, othe people is, we have always know who donald trump has been. he has been fairly clear tha he is not an ethical person. what i think is what has faile us is -- one political party has enable donald trump in this, over and over and over again. there has been some instance where people have stood up and georgia is one of those. the secretary of state and the governor, to a small degree -- but this should have never got -- we should have never gotten to this point, where we are digging up this mess of donald trump. but for the fact that, along the way, he has been enabled over and over and over again and never held accountable b his own political party, who seems to refuse to put any guardrails in place to prevent this from happening again. >> yeah, and that's a sad, thing i think, that someon like a donald trump can exis in our political ecosystem, think, is very distressing and troubling --

and it's unprecedented we use that word quite a lot with donald trump, carol and i wonder your thoughts o what might happen here - emily kohrs said that th special grand jury recommended indicting over a dozen people, which might include donald trump. walk us through what that woul mean, carol lam. if trump were indicted potentially, in two differen jurisdictions at once in thi country -- >> right so, you are talking about th georgia jurisdiction and the manhattan jurisdiction these are both state prosecutions the grand jury construct i georgia is a little unusual. they have a special grand jury which is a grand jury that has heard all of this evidence and it has allowed them to focus on just this case for as long as they need to focus o it but they don't have the powe to indict. and now the evidence is turned over to a regular criminal grand jury which, i think, i not an ideal situation because this second grand jury presumably, will not be hearin the testimony from the

witnesses directly, but will in fact, be reviewin transcripts and such so, it's an odd construct. it's a construct that came about partly through the legislature and partly through case law so, it's not necessarily the construct that the legislature envisioned but that's what they have. so, if there is an indictment, if that indictment include donald trump, and if the manhattan da indites donal trump -- which, donald trump said, is going to happen on tuesday - he will have the unusual situation of facing tw prosecutions at the same tim in different states. and it's important for folks t realize that states are thei own sovereign. this is not run by the department of justice in washington they are their own sovereign with their own state laws, their own rules. and even if he becomes the president again, he will not have the power over thos prosecutions that he does, a least nominally, over th department of justice. so, it is a lot to handle as