♪ good day i'm chris jansing live on msnbc headquarters vladimir putin seems increasingly desperate to change the dynamic of the brutal and

bloody war in ukraine. is that what was behind this week's confrontation with the u.s. drone and what does it say by him asking billionaires to save the russia economy. and the roller coaster on wall street shows no signs of stopping the s&p 500 is actually up what it all means for finances of everyday americans. and donald trump and his allying ramping up on ron desantis. and vladimir putin is under exterior and growing pressure both at home and abroad. mired in a war that's gone on far loster and cost more money and lives than nearly anyone had predicted. today putin addressed business elite in person, the first time he's done that since the war started. he called on them to invest in

russian society, to put patriotism above profit. the latest sign of how badly russia's economy is suffering. it comes on the same day they released the have i i don't. nbc has learn that the pilots was on -- to harass the drone before ultimately colliding with it, forcing it to crash in the black sea. >> and the former deputy commander of u.s. european command and an msnbc military analyst. courtney, what do we know today about whether this drone was brought down intentional other accidentally what are your sources telling you? >> u.s. defense officials is saying it was brought down

intentionally. you can see when one of those russian jets come in as a high rate of speed, you can't quite see the actual impact. you can see the propeller is clearly damaged by what was an impact the russians, of course, saying there was no collision that occurred here, but the u.s. putting out this video to prove at least this part of their version of the narrative that not only were the russian pilots dumping fuel, flying erratically and dangerously, but there was a collision. between it lost the propulsion, the propeller was damaged. the drone became dangerous to operate, so the u.s. made a decision to do two things. number one, wipe the software. and clear it off the drone

number two they were able to glide it down and bring it down in a very intentional manner the goal in most of these cases is to break it apart we know according to defense officials there was a relatively wide debris field. general milley said yesterday it went down in an area that was 4,000 to 5,000 feet in depth, a very deep part of the black sea, and there were small pieces left behind. >> we've been looking at this video since they released it, but you see probably more than i do, and you pointed to the same portion of the video she just talked about, the jet sprays fuel, and then what is apparently a collision when you take a look at the video, the pilot acted

irresponsibly, reckless and unsafe as you can see in the video, right there, he pulls up the nose in order to spray the fuel on the propeller on the second pass, you look at the propeller, it is damaged the damage occurred on the second pass. that eventually caused the reaper to become disabled and the pilots had to probably bring it down, although as they brought it down, it probably just spun out of control into the black sea. >> i want to play for you part of what the russian ambassador said right after this happened take a listen. >> this drone can till you,

1,700 kilos of explosives. this drone can kill you, whew what will be the action of the united states if you see such russian drone, very close to san francisco or new york, what will be the reaction of the united states for me it's clear, for you as well well, clearly the russians are not happy with the u.s. drones in that area talk about, though, why the black sea, it's so important militarily, why it's become such a flash point. >> yes, for a couple reasons number one, as we have three nato allies that border the black sea -- romania, bulgaria and turkey we have what's called nato baltic police in there and enhanced air police in there as well to ensure the safety of the skies of our nato partners we typically -- when i say we, nato

allying typically patrol the areas of the sky there it is in fact international waters, so we have a responsibility to ensure that we are control or freedom, and that's why you see nato and the u.s. typically conduct operations in the black cease, although not many naval operations in the black sea. >> let's go back to the drone itself whap might have been useful, we learned yet -- what is the latest on the search for this drone for whatever might be left of it

of course, it's always a priority to get any of the equipment that goes down as general twitty was just explaining, this is -- the russians believe they control the black sea, and the reality, the only way to get u.s. ships in there would be through the straits you can see it on the lowerlands the turkish government controls th that so that in and of itself would be a difficult endeavor, but not just that. it would be potentially dangerous for any u.s. military ship to move in there. the depth, the danger, it doesn't seem like much of an effort it would be a difficult round effort, chris.

>> we learned yesterday that general austin talked to hi counterpart from the administrative defense we also know that general milley was trying to do the same. what happens in these conversations? is it essentially the same kind of messaging we're going to do what we can do under international law? we're going to do it, you're not going to stop us or is there some sort of dance that goes on in this conversations? >> no, there's no dance. it'spretty direct. i know secretary austin pretty well he used to be my boss. i really noel general milley extremely well he used to be my boss. believe me, they make sure that u.s. equities are clear and loud when they talk to their counterparts here. i don't see any dance. i'm quite sure they made it clear that the u.s. will

continue to fly in the black sea, so you can expect things like this to continue to happen. in my view, every single day this war continues, we stand the champs of a mishap like this that's why it's critical to keep these lines of communication open >> lt. general steph twitty, thank you. and courtney, thank you. sell-offs in two more major banks, stoking fears of a growing financial crisis california-based first republic bank, their stocks plummeted today as investors try to identify what regional banks might be at risk after the swift collapse of silicon valley bank. overseas, credit suisse was forced to borrow billions from the swit national bank just to

stay in business the twin shock setting off a turbulent day, as treasury secretary yellen tried to reassure the nation we're not headed -- >> i can reassure the members of the commit year our banking system is sound and americans can feel confident that their deposits will be there when they need them. >> nbc news senior business analyst stephanie ruhle joins us with what you need to know a lot of people here, they immediately think of 2008, those of us old enough to remember it. how concerned should we all be right now? >> okay. things are very different from 2008, but it doesn't mean we're in the clear what janet yellen said right there, where she said people's deposits are safe, and they are. remember, silicon valley bank and signature were backstopped the government has made it

clear. people's deposits have set up a separate fund, any bank facing systematic risk problems, your deposits are safe. anyone worried like my gosh, absolutely not, your money is okay however, to say that we're in safe territory, no problem, that's no true think about the last ten years we had zero interest rates for way too long we had free money. that makes people take more risk, right? suddenly you saw the crypto craze, spacs, nfts, and then covid. the girl government flooded trillions into the system. we got a bunch of inflation. next things next, the fed jacks rates, and that's made things pretty francised, and that's made the lending environment to be more difficult. things are absolutely fragile,

fragile in a different way than they were in 2008. we're not -- it's problematic, but very different. >> and it's not just the u.s. economy. one of the things that frankly covid showed many of us firsthand was how it really is a global economy to that point, steph what is going on in europe right now people need to understand credit suisse has been in trouble for years and years. they've had many, many management changes they spun off or shut down lots of core businesses the main business, which is private wealth met has been losing clients steadily over the

last few years i'm not exaggerating every possible scandal that a company could be in, credit suisse has experienced over the years. they just got a huge injection of cash from the swiss national bank, which is good. however, hong will it last their big problem is rich people have taken their money to other managers credit suisse is not out of the water. >> and you can see stephanie ruhle in the 11th hour on the east coast abortion ballots heating up in amarillo with the high-stakes decision set to come down any day now. the latest from inside that

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and the make america great again super-pac is doling out legal pressure against desantis with the florida ethics commission. and we have our panel here with us great to have all of you here, a lot to cover diving into 2024, yeah, frankly at the same time facing the unknown from new york and atlanta investigations >> reporter: right let's be frank about this, chris. there could be a indictment from manhattan district attorney or fulton county district

attorney's office at any minute, any hour, any day. maybe it never comes ultimately the grand jury deems there's not suv evidence to bring charges, and that's what we're waiting for. when you look at this from donald trump's point of view, he is facing not just one investigation, two investigations he's facing a lawsuit about claims of rape he is facing -- his company is facing a civil lawsuit from the new york correspondent general's office, as we speak and the trump organization in which there are claims of an inflation of the value wait of the company's assets there's several case trump is staring at he put on his social media account recently, calling attention to one particular

prosecutor, who had previously worked as number three in the department of justice under the biden administration, who also before going to the doj, had work in the new york attorney's calls working on the civil probe. of course there's been no evident presented by the former president of wrongdoing. prosecutors can go through agencies as they will, but this, for donald trump, will be an effort to make these investigations into him an effort to call attention to the democratic efforts to try to undermine hi political ambitions and what he says is the maga movement nothing in his messaging in the politics of this surprises anybody, lisa, but we keep hearing it could be imminent in fact, a decision is more accurate, but could it be imminent >> i this it could be. hearing that stormy daniels went

in to meet with man hearn prosecutors, and i should clarify, she didn't go anywhere. our information is she spoke to prosecutors by zoom. that adds an additional wrinkle, because folks generally understood michael cohen to be the ultimate witness in this case what needs to happen next is perhaps a final meeting with trump's team, and then they will is the grand jury to vote a bill of indictment. >> does it suggest that they didn't have enough >> it suggests maybe there needed to be answers, maybe a streppance between two witnesses, but stormy daniels didn't communicate directly with either michael cohen or with donald trump we understand her attorney, mr. davidson, has a grand jury

witness, so it's clear to me they need her at all to establish the case we understand they're needing to make. the "atlanta constitution" spoke with five grand jurors they say he recording of a phone call between donald trump and david ralston, in which the president asked him to convene a special session of the legislature to overturn the election results in georgia in 2020 how significant could that be, on tape? >> i think it's incredibly significant. many people understood that the fulton doubt investigation really focused on the fake electors we all know that the trump electors got a target letter the scheme had many facets, but when that didn't succeed, the next

step was to try to get mike pence to not accept the electors, then to send it back to the state legislatures, but that would have required cooperation from people like david ralston, right to convene and vote again, then sent those electors back to congress i think it show the pure obstinacy of donald trump, like a mouse caught in a building, trying to find any escape hatch that he could. >> so we're going to wait and see. ashley, you've been writing about his legal woes generally, and how you say this is a perilous moment for him. in what way? >> it's peril usa both legally and politically, right you did a greatoff already, aligns various potentially charges and legal issues he may be facing. politically you have ron

desantis, who is gaining a lot of traction, still not necessarily the front-runner in a republican primary, but really worries former president trump and his team there is a big but there despite all of it can sort of feel like and you can lay out the case that the walls are closing in on him, when you talk to both people on his team and strategists, some who like him, some who don't, they say especially on the legal front, these sort of attacks comes at him are the types of things that in arepublican primary can actually help him. when voters feel he is being attacked, especially if they believe it's unfair, a political attack, a witch-hunt, as he himself has desperately tried to message it, it makes them more likely to support him. again, this is problematic in a

general election, because this is exhaust some voters, but in a primary situation. counter-intuitive, it can be politically helpful. >> we've talked a lot, tara, about the exhaustion factor. i've talked to tons of suburban women voter who in 20230 told me they were just too tired that trump had essentially worn them out, even though they might have voted for him in 2016. but if you mood of the country is gloomy, and he's negative could that work. 's obviously not changing his messaging. an awful lot of the republican party is on that bandwagon right. it's obvious, as much as the establishment republicans would like to move on and think that somehow miraculously indictments will make dump go away, they're

clearly deluding themselves trump is continuing to lead in the polls. he's been laying the predicate for the victimization defense for years now with his base, which still makes up an overwhelming majority of the primary voters ron desantis, who they seem to think will be their save majority, step in and replace trump, for some reason if he's no longer able to run, ron desantis has demonstrated he's not up to the task either. with his territorial dispute comment about ukraine, riling up the establishment going, my gosh, what are we doing here this guy is not ready for primetime. donald trump is the front-runner, the dominant source any legal issues will not make a dent in his support with primary

voters going into the election in 2024. they're the "i can shoot someone on fifth avenue" that fully embraces him the 4% to 7% or now 8 to 10%, republicans who are looking for a structure to walk away from the party because of that exhaustion, but they are not going to make a difference in the primary. that only matters in the general. >> we've only got a minute left, but i want to ask about your reporting today about how much of the field has been focusing on the dark apocalyptic themes i guess the big question is whatever happened to the optimism of ronald reagan, the hope of clinton and obama, is it all dead >> that's a point a number of republicans made to me nirnlly in the reagan years, things did not look great, but it was the hopes, the optimism

for the future that helped to pull the nature forward and defined republican politics for decades, but you look at someone like trump, i am your retribution, you like at tim scott or nikki haley that are following suit, it seems to be dead at this point thank you. lisa reuben, you are going to stay with me i want to show you these live pictures from paris. they are taking to the streets to raise france's retirement age. and from chief of staff to on the l lamb, a hunt for larry hunt's former chief of staff where is he? that's next.

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a session in parliament has erupted into chaos they sang the national anthem in protest in the last-minute decision to avoid the vote, instead forcing thus his unpopular proposal to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64 this has prompted major strikes all across the country and is expected to trigger a no-confidence moments. we're keeping our eye on what's happening. in the meantime, we have a wild story out of marland, where a one-time aide to governor larry hogan is the target of an entertainment man did not hunt this poster is for roy mcgrath after he didn't show up. he's facing a number of charges. his lawyer told the judge he doesn't even know where mcgrath is let's get to mark murray lay out the charges against us

mcgrath is indicted two years ago. the main allegation against him was that he ended up asking for a receivance payment he said was from permission from then governor larry hogan when mcgrath was leaving the maryland environmental services, his job as executive director, to become hogan's chief of staff now, hogan and the justice department have said that that was false, he ended up having hogan's permission that's the central charge against him, chris. >> there's new reporting that the fbi raided his home in florida. what else can you tell us? >> chris, our reporters confirm that the fbi did raid his florida home, and "the baltimore

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right now in amarillo a decision may be imminent that has serious implications in a consequential hear that lasted four hours, a conservative trump-appointed judge appeared sympathetic to antiabortion arguments, and it comes as states continue to impose their own limits. last night utah's governor

signed a law that would in effect ban abortion clinics. to dasha, you were in the courtroom for much of the time that those arguments were being made? >> unfortunately, i don't have a sn satisfactory answer. i will tell you in that courtroom yesterday, the subject of the hearing was the preliminary injunction requested by the plaintiffs in this case at the heart of the case is the drug mifepristone, which, by the way is the most common abortion method in the united states.

the plaintiffs, which is a group of antiabortion medical organizations and doctors, claim that the fda can be adequately each way the safe of drug, they say it endangered women further by loosening restrictions. they had in cord yet, if the judge sides with the plaintiff, it could call -- they emphasize this a drug that's been on the market for 20-plus years, and according to the data, 5 million people have taken this drug with only 28 deaths sorted with it since its approval

>> it's a very dangerous attack on our public health system. >> everybody knees to be concerned. >> i think it's important for everything to see the -- the replied sized process is such that over time it's taken away restrictions and making it much more dangerous for women >> two thickets could happen he could fully side with the plaintiffs and com pes the pass to pull this -- again, while the ruling would be here, would impact even states that have robust abortion protections in place.

he could also issue a narrower ruling, restricting the drug further. whatever he does, if he does ruling in favor of 9 plaintiffs, it would have an impact far beyond just texas. >> if that happens, lisa, what is next? >> appeals let's start there. >> a long road ahead >> i think it depends on which which, whether the courts expedite the appeals nits who wants, will not going to want to stay his ruling, if in fact he orderic the. >> are there bigger implications, not to minimize the impact, but if a judge can overrule the fda, if a judge can say, i'm going to substitute my judgment for the sign that the

fda bases its own rulings on, could they do it for any kind of medication >> absolutely. this is a drug that's been safely on the market for 23 years. >> they can do it in another number of instances. vice president harris talked about this, saying look inside your medicine cabinet. northwest there'sing there medication approved by the food app drug administration, if they adopt have the ultimate say we are all in danger. in utah, let me ask about the same law that will ban clinics from providing abortion. clinics. a.p. reports that it adds a layer of uncertain patient may not possibility access care at hospitals because of staffing and cost concerns. in fact, when this hospitals,

planned parenthood were asked what they would do, they could not say what the plan was. not just in utah, but in red states, where they're passing these kinds of laws. >> nobody seems to now how to keep themselves -- is that where we will be lives for a white here, the confusion isthe point. the whole got of some of this legislation and the litigation is to leave people throwing up their hands about what they're rights are, and to put the provides in chaos. if you're a pharmacist, a doctor, that puts restickses on nil to where it can be provided, you're not going to want to expose yourself to prosecution.

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>> well, you can see, as they walked up for the first time just within the last couple of minutes, how emotional they are. and one thing that we were told is there is video that exists of the last and final moments of otieno our understanding is the family watched the surveillance video before walking up here so, clearly a very emotional family standing up there right now. we'll bring you a summary once we have a chance to listen to give you a little bit of background here on how this all unfolded, the timeline is important here march 3rd, police were called about an alleged burglary. this involved otieno he was allegedly assaulted police officers at a different hospital, was taken to a local jail and it was during this transfer between a different hospital to the jail and then from that jail to a different hospital. that was when his final moments occurred so, that video that we were

talking about, this was a focal point during a court hearing yesterday. the commonwealth's attorney made a point to talk at great length about this video something that we have not seen for ourselves. we do hope that will be released to the public soon all of this coming from the commonwealth, who says the video shows otieno face down on the ground with the knee of one of the deputies on his back at one point. she said they caused him to suffocate, adding the preliminary cause of death is asphyxiation you can see the deputies called over three hours to call virginia state police after he died as we mentioned, this is not something that we have had a chance to see this video ourselves, but clearly the family very emotional here, as we're discussing what they just saw. we know that attorney ben crump, civil rights attorney, has been very active on twitter, saying that the charges of second degree murder against the

officers is, quote, just the first step of a long journey towards justice for irvo otieno. we know that all of those deputies due in court next tuesday. >> and i just am told by my producer that ben crump has said -- and you mentioned that the family just saw that video -- that what is on there is inhumane. we're going to continue to listen in. by the way, marissa, thank you national network president and my colleague, al sharpton, will join me to discuss more about this case. and then another one in mississippi, where a sheriff has not ruled out the possibility of foul play in the death of rah sheen carter we have all of that ahead in the next hour. gps, so great from getting from point a to point b, but apparently not so great for your brain. the wake cupall in a new report is next.

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if you, like most people, rely on your gps to get from --

well, in my case -- anywhere to anywhere i need my gps. health experts are now warning it could be detrimental to your brain. we get the details from dr. john torrez >> reporter: kathy banister is finding her way. >> we're going down the trail in our northerly direction. >> reporter: racing across the arizona desert >> my plan is to go up here north a little bit >> reporter: like her competition, she has only a map and compass, no gps allowed. >> okay. i can see the flag >> reporter: this is -- and for 73-year-old kathy, the stakes are much higher than who wins the race are you doing this for fun are you doing this for exercise? >> i love it >> reporter: are you doing it to keep your brain healthy? all the above? >> all the above i love the exercise. i love the puzzle, solving the puzzle >> reporter: solving that puzzle is part of keeping her brain healthy. scientists have found that using gps does too much brain work for

us >> extremely convenient, but they take the thinking out of it they take the brain effort out of it. and it may be doing us a disservice in the long run >> reporter: losing navigational skills can lead to cognitive decline, even dementia, but reading a map stimulating the hippocampus. >> by turning off the gps and using a map instead to navigate through unfamiliar routes, we're training that part of the brain. and it's less likely to decline. >> reporter: people who participate in orr yen tiering suggest that by turning on gps and instead lying oon a map cou beneficial to your aging brain >> one of the first symptoms associated with alzheimer's disease is a loss of our ability to get from point a to point b this is why this may be a beneficial way to stave off cognitive decline because it taps right into that thing that they're losing