. good evening, everyone. we begin the -- "the reidout" tonight with the north carolina shooting. there is no video yet. today the charlotte fbi started investigating the shooting. this happened after an autopsy report that showed brown was shot five times by deputies, with the cause of death a gunshot to the back of the head. >> we now know, because we have not been able to get any official documentation

concerning this shooting, that this, in fact, was a fatal wound to the back of mr. brown's head as he was leaving the site trying to evade being shot at by these particular law enforcement officers who we believe did nothing but a straight out execution. >> lawyers said the autopsy indicated that brown was first shot four times in his right arm and started to drive away before the fatal shot to the back of his head. today brown's son, who along with the family and their attorneys, was allowed to review a 20-second redacted snippet of footage from one body camera in the killing, also called his father's killing an execution. >> to my pops, man, yesterday i say he was executed. this autopsy report, show me, that was correct. those three gunshots to the arm

weren't enough? that weren't enough? it's obvious he was trying to get away. it's obvious. and they're going to shoot him in the back of the head? that's not right. that's not right at all, man. >> following results of the private autopsy, tommy wooten said he wanted answers as much as the public, adding the private autopsy was just one piece of the puzzle. and roy cooper said a special prosecutor should handle all matters related to the shooting and that a shooting without information is a criminal shooting is conducted without bias. >> you don't have to care for ben or bakari or harry. you don't have to be republican or democrat, you don't have to be white or black to legalize

what this family has not gotten is justice. we demand justice from the sheriff's department, we demand justice from this district attorney, we demand justice not for anybody standing up here, but we demand justice for andrew brown and his family. >> late today new video was released from a city camera mounted near andrew brown's house, showing county deputies arriving to serve a warrant on brown in the moments before he was killed. the angle does not show what happened next. a hearing is scheduled for tomorrow morning regarding the release of the deputies' body camera footage from the shooting. joining me now is news

correspondent kerry sanders. kerry, i'm glad i get to talk to you, because it seems to me a lot of what's happening in the county in north carolina is they're each playing keep away. they're saying, look over there, look over there, i don't have the authority, i don't have the authority. i can't tell you how many of these press conferences i've heard that they don't have the authority. even their family and attorneys, who seem entitled to it, are going to get to see what happened to andrew brown jr. >> what you have in north carolina is a rather strict law that can be interpreted. so what you have is the sheriff wooten here saying that he can't release the video based on the law here in north carolina and that it has to be determined by a judge whether it can be released. we're six days in, and it's only tomorrow that this is going to reach a judge. so the family has -- and the lawyers have a pretty good

argument saying that things are moving in slow motion from where they see. yesterday they came here to the sheriff's office and they thought, well, we're going to finally get a chance to look at the body camera and dash cam videos. it's estimated there may be as many as nine body cameras, eight dash cams. when they got here, they found out they would only get to see one body camera clip for about 20 seconds and it would be redacted. they have the authority to smear the identity of the faces of the officers involved. when the family went in expecting to see all the videos and they only saw 20 seconds, they were disheartened and unhappy. they don't understand why this happened. they hoped to be able to walk out of here with copies. none of that happened, and so now they're going to court tomorrow and they're going to

argue that they believe all that footage should be made public, and it will be up to a judge. but interestingly, on saturday, the sheriff here said that he wanted to make that video public. but in the paperwork that's been filed, he says he wants the video to be given to the adult son of andrew brown, kalio farabe. if that is going to happen, it means what he is going to see here is just looking at the video but not getting a chance to walk away with it. not getting to walk away with it for him will be considered a loss. he wants to get it out not only for himself but for the public. joy, not too far from here, there is another peaceful protest. it's notable that these folks here have been very peaceful. they have a very strong relationship with the city, with the city police, but they are not happy with the county sheriff's office and the way the county government has been moving along with this.

>> kerry sanders with some clarity on this evening which was very badly needed. thank you, kerry, i really appreciate your help on this in terms of reporting. joining me is former prosecutor glenn kershaw and -- >> how does it happen? if police are going to bear down on us in our castle with big guns on the back of their trucks and blow us away in the street, the thought that we, then, our families, our survivors cannot even see how he died at the hands of government-armed agents, to me does not sound constitutional. how is it possible that those are the rules in elizabeth city, north carolina? >> i understand exactly where you're coming from and i concur.

it's horrendous this has taken place, and i don't believe those are the rules. those are some individual's interpretation of the rules. we are in a state of emergency here in elizabeth city, and it doesn't have to be that way. it's horrific. i sat with the family this week and watched their pain and so many unanswered questions. it's a horrible situation. >> glenn, we have here in what's in the local law enforcement recordings law. here is what it says. it establishes that recordings made by law enforcement agencies are not public records, it establishes to whom and what portion of the recording may be disclosed, it establishes a procedure for refusal to obtain a copy. it's all very vague. sorry. it says the sheriff cannot unanimously release it. the sheriff has to turn it over and a judge can decide. it seems to me if we do have a fourth amendment, fifth amendment, if we have any rights at all, at minimum, we should be able to find out how a

government agent killed us. how is that not happening in north carolina? >> joy, i've read this law several times, and it's pretty byzantine and confusing, and as you say, vague, but there are two things that jumped out at me. one is that if the family member of a decedent, somebody who was killed by the police, makes a written request of the law enforcement community, then the law enforcement community has the discretion to show some of the tape. but here's the thing. they get to decide what is, quote, relevant for the family to see. how did they decide only 20 of the last seconds of edward brown jr.'s life was relevant for the family to see. here's the second provision, joy, because i don't buy the sheriff's department saying, oh, we need a court order, we have no authority. subsection f says that the law enforcement agency can file an expedited request to get it released promptly.

guess what? within hours of this incident, the sheriff's department could have petitioned the court and it could have been promptly released. they didn't do it, so they shouldn't be now heard to say we didn't have the authority to try to get it out sooner. >> amen. councilman horton, it tells me that the tape is bad. if they thought that this tape was helpful to the law enforcement officer, they would release it yesterday, because they're already talking a lot about drugs and the dead man, trying to get that into the ecosystem of the news, trying to get local news to report on his past and whether he had any association with crime. but they sure are withholding this tape. let me let you hear bakari sellers, one of the attorneys for the family, and he's talking about this law. take a listen. >> in north carolina they have a bad law. but i can also tell you andrew -- if andrew brown did something to justify that shooting, they would have gotten

that from a judge the next morning. if they had attempted to -- if he had attempted to hurt him, they would have gotten that. >> they said they can't get the tape, nor the d.a. they're all playing keep away at this point, mr. horton. what can be done to make sure this family and their attorneys -- if they want to publicize it, they should be able to do that, because they want their loved ones to know how he died. >> that's exactly where we are right now. as an elected official, i stand with this family. i'm appalled that this information was not released. like you said, it's the blame game. it's pointing fingers at this one and this one. no one wants to take the accountability. no accountability is a

lie-ability. to see this grieving family have so many questions, a redacted video of 20 seconds, it shows me that the proof is in the pudding, that there is something they do not want to see. that's why they're trying to talk about his past and his criminal record, because they cannot talk about the facts. that's why we demand answers and i'm standing and marching every day with this family, hoping soon we have some transparency. >> ben crump is also representing the family talking about this and other shootings that have taken place locally. >> we have miss tonika cox, who is the mother of fred cox, whose son was killed by police in high point, north carolina at a church. not only are they killing us for driving while black, shopping while black, having a cell phone

while black, sleeping while black. going into their apartment while black. her son was killed while at the church while black. >> glenn, that is how it feels to african-americans right now, honestly, just standing around while black is apparently a capital offense. dropping off christmas presents, capital offense. serving a warrant is not supposed to be your execution day, even if they're serving a warrant. can you just clarify for us as you understand the constitutional rights of americans. if someone is serving a warrant on you, do police have a right to kill you in order to serve that warrant if you try to run away? >> in a word, no.

you can't exercise deadly force just because someone is fleeing. and when we heard from the family -- and i'll tell you, we shouldn't have to hear from a grieving family about what the police did because they were allowed to see 20 seconds of a videotape. we shouldn't have to hear from a grieving family about what an autopsy showed about how many times their loved one was shot. but we have a constitutional right against an unreasonable search and seizure, right? there is no more unreasonable seizure than an unlawful killing as part of an excessive force incident. so, you know, what happened to george floyd, that was an unreasonable seizure. daunte wright, that was an unreasonable seizure. if we get to see more than 20 seconds, if we get to see any of these videotapes, then we'll learn if this was also an unreasonable, unconstitutional seizure of edward brown, jr. >> and what we do know in that 20 seconds is they shot him in

the back of his head. he wasn't going toward them. you don't shoot somebody in the back of the head if they're facing you and menacing you. that isn't possible. he was going forward, shot in the back of the head. we're not going to get off this story until we find out what happened. darice horton, thank you. derek chauvin and what's next in the fight for police reform. keith ellison, who assembled the prosecutorial dream team who convicted the former cop joins me next. the new right to wearing masks, and also kids at school and in the park with their moms. a sad state for the republican party. now biden is coming for your hamburgers. just another one as biden continues to win with competence and normalcy.

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i would not call today's verdict justice, however, because justice implies true restoration. but it is accountability, which is the first step towards justice. and now the cause of justice is in your hands. >> it was one week ago today that a jury handed down those three guilty verdicts in the derek chauvin murder trial. accountability may have been served but just for a fleeting moment as new names join the grim ranks of the dead at the hands of police, daunte wright, antony toleo and andrew brown jr. while the attorneys slog through trying to get more accountability in the george brown policing act, the "washington post" are finding

police accountability undermined by those very same police and local officials. according to a survey by the national association of certified law enforcement, few of these boards have independent investigative authority or the ability to issue subpoenas. in fact, more than one half of the groups responding have no more authority to recommend discipline. joining me now, attorney general keith ellison. attorney general ellison, i want to congratulate you on a complete victory. three charges, three convictions. tell me a little bit about how you assembled that team. it is very, very hard to convict a police officer in the line of duty. >> let me tell you, i started with the attorney general staff, and we have some very good lawyers there. but i also thought we needed someone who had a very strong sense of the medical case, because we thought the defense

might try to make an issue out of medical causation, you know, trying to claim that somehow, at the very instant when derek chauvin had a knee on george floyd's neck, that was when he would have heart disease. then we needed somebody who was strong in the area of prosecuting police and use of force, so i went to a friend of mine, steve schlisser who understands that. jerry blackwell understands the medical issue together with larry vazquez. on the fact witnesses, i didn't have to go far. we had a lot of really strong witnesses in the attorney general's office, so we just teamed up and we were all really benefited by neal katyal and his team who understand appellates really well. so everyone in their own spheres were willing to be appointed special attorneys general in

minnesota, and we combined the team and we were able to achieve those verdicts of guilty. >> i notice as you went through that list, what you didn't have were local prosecutors. i wonder if you think that part of the challenge in trying to reform this system is that local prosecutors are too close to the officers. they work with them to convict people and put people in prison. do you think we are at a point now where we need to think about completely separating when police commit what could be a crime, separating them from local prosecutors altogether? because these commissions, as you heard in the open, these commissions are having no effect whatsoever. >> yeah, well, i do want to give credit to mike freeman who is head of the hennepin county district attorney. he lended support, particularly his victim advocate darnella frazier was outstanding -- >> he didn't prosecute them. >> sure. i'm just trying to give credit where credit is due.

>> sure. >> i would argue that the community expects a degree of independence. the community likes the idea that there are no conflicts, no affinities, no longstanding friendships, no loyalties, that the only thing at issue is justice. and so i think whether it's a practical realistic matter or not, certainly people perceive it as being better for the cause of justice. >> you know, what we've seen now is -- i think one of the things that alarmed a lot of folks, even myself covering it, we really didn't know much about derek chauvin and his own history. we now know after his conviction that he had multiple prior instances of violence of the people he was arresting, includingkneeling on the neck of a teenager. we didn't know that. but we went through a lot of george floyd's history. i say that because you had a person who testified for derek chauvin, the medical examiner

they brought on, who is having all his cases opened up again from 1992 all the way through 2019 because now there is some question about whether or not he was being fair when he was deciding whether or not police had committed a crime in harming someone. do you think that derek chauvin's cases, any case that he had his hands on, ought to be reopened and reexamined? >> well, it's certainly on the table, right? we're early on yet. we haven't even completed sentencing, but i think that systemic reform you're pointing to is certainly something that we have got to take into consideration. you just can't have this many people being killed and injured severely at the hands of law enforcement and not look to the systemic drivers that are here. and i just want to commend brian frost, the attorney general in maryland, who is taking a look at what dr. david fowler has been doing over the last few

years. this is entirely appropriate, and i think that i look forward to what may be uncovered. >> you know, the international criminal court is looking at the american criminal justice system and it's speaking particularly of african-americans and saying it might be crimes against humanity, that this might be something that the international community ought to take a bigger look at in terms of whether there is systemic brutality, even torture, and in short, severe deprivation of civic liberty, persecution and human acts generally by american law enforcement. do you agree with that kind of inquiry? >> yes. i think that if we have nothing to hide, we shouldn't worry about what might be found by the international community. i think it would be wise for the united states criminal justice system to open itself up. let me just point out the international community has helped in the area of racial justice in america before. it's largely believed that the cold war and cold war competition is what helped drive

some of the civil rights movement as the united states was trying to tell the rest of the world in the emerging decolonized world, hey, join us, we're on the side of democracy. those same countries could say, wait a minute, i can't buy a cup of coffee in your country. it's others as well. you know, racial discrimination, as you know, and he himself went to a local university. so the international community is relevant in this conversation, and i think that it could only make us better. it can only make us better, and i think a little bit of humility toward the rest of the world, understanding the eyes of the world are upon us as important. >> do you think it's good news, and should the attorneys general welcome the idea of practice recommendations from the department of justice? do you think it needs to be relooked at at a federal level

whether some of these police departments are just infused with systemic racism, bias and brutality? >> without any question, merrick garland's announcement of doj involvement in minneapolis and other places is welcome news. when jeff sessions said that he was going to discontinue these consent decrees because of systemic brutality, i think that accelerated the problem. together with trump saying, hey, don't worry about their head when they get in the squad car. you may remember that. >> yeah. >> those things really made everything a lot worse. but i will tell you, joy, the state a.g. stepped up. lisa madigan in illinois stepped up, kwame stepped up. we're trying to do our part in the a.g.'s office on the part of justice. >> i'm running out of time, but

do you think those officers will be convicted? >> i have to say they're presumed innocent. i would have to say i wouldn't charge them unless i say i believe that, and the court has already found probable cause to support our charges. >> keith ellison, thank you for spending time with us this evening, and cheers to you and your team. thank you so much. still ahead, the right wing's hostility to science has reached a new level of awfulness, targeting those who are taking the pandemic seriously for ridicule and even harassment. tonight's "absolute worst" is coming up. don't go anywhere. worst" is coming up. don't go anywhere. ♪ (ac/dc: back in black) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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it's a new low even for tucker carlton of fox news who this week encouraged his viewers to harass and threaten their parents and children to use a mask. and to use 911 in his attempt to criminalize a piece of cloth. >> as we're forcing children to wear masks outside, that should be illegal. your response when you see children wearing masks as they play should be no different than your response to seeing someone beat a kid in walmart. call the police immediately. contact child protective services. keep calling until someone arrives. >> why does he always look confused? anyway, we now know that the

male version of a karen with 911 on speed dial and a sense of presumed authority over other people's lives from this day on should be called a tucker. tucker wants his america to unleash the hounds during a time when police violence is under unprecedented scrutiny. none of that matters to tucker. he thinks masks are like the pins north koreans wear to show obedience to their leader. never mind that he requires obedience from his mob, to find him at a zoo or inside a bouncy castle, interrogating you about how to protect your kids. the thing is, this isn't really about masks, is it? tucker, and we think you know, too, conservatives are just really angry they've lost control of society and nature. it's why fox is mad, mad, mad

about dr. seuss and red meat to the point that the network is just a hub for racial hatred, and also for a very dangerous, deeply concerning platform so committed to the big lie that its top host is encouraging viewers to harass strangers and demand that they bare their faces. this is also coming as the covid virus is severely impacting kids. like this protest happening outside an elementary school in beverly hills as children just try to make their way home. or this private school in miami refusing to employ vaccinate teachers, linking the vaccine to menstruation, a claim that has been debunked. and, sorry, why is a school studying their students' cycles? but tucker, like all his fellow tuckers, don't actually care about the children. he just wants his viewers mad, viewers who are sick and tired of being told what to do even as they tell women what to do with their bodies, even as they tell

trans youths they can't play sports, or they tell americans who they are and are not allowed to elect because they get to decide. their anger really isn't about masks. it's about the business model of bogus concerns to be the outrage machine just churning and churning. that's why tucker carlson rearing his fakehood is unbecoming. the president is sharing his latest cdc guideline for masks. >> i won't stop for anything. not one single thing. >> tom clancy, right r, coming

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gupta. i am among the fully vaccinated, joined team pfizer, and i did go jogging today in the park, ask this is the mask that i wore with a doctor's mask under it. and most of the people that i saw that were in the park -- the park was packed -- i would say 95% of the people still had masks on. there were people who were really getting upset about that. i won't name them. should people be freaking out that some people like myself who are vaccinated should still wear masks outdoors? should we do that? >> definitely not. good evening, joy. i think you're going to see residual masking based on personal preference for months, if not years, after this pandemic is over. nobody should judge anyone else's personal health decisions. having said that, i will say that the cdc was well timed to put this out there, because there is no data -- frankly, there has not been data for many months now that outdoor transmission is a thing, especially with warm humid air. joy, we know that respiratory

viruses don't like humid air, they like dry air. the more people who are vaccinated, the wind currents, there is no way you'll get exposed unless you're at a rave or outdoor concert where you're really close to people who are not masking. >> the reason i still do it is people who are jogging are still breathing, and in you're in their backdraft, that's why i do it. only 26.5% of americans are fully vaccinated. that seems really low to me. do you feel like we're behind the count, because until we get to 80% that you talked about for herd immunity, isn't it still possible for covid to spread at 26.5%? >> absolutely. absolutely. we're not out of the woods yet, joy. 200 million americans plus who had a first dose, it doesn't mean they're fully vaccinated. that's why we're still looking into middle of july, hopefully

for some degree of normalcy, but we're having a different conversation now. i've been having conversations across the country with young people and they need incentives. i can wag my finger all i want and say the virus is changing with young people going into icus. it's caused strokes in young people. i've seen complications that happen in other people with guillan-barre. i think table steaks right now should be -- if you want to travel, the international association of airlines actually, now 29 airlines subscribe to go a travel pass. they're trialing that now. i want that to be a paradigm for travel. if you want to travel, you have to show certification. there is nothing wrong with that. >> if you want to go to school you have to show vaccination. i think everyone would come back to class if they knew everybody was vaccinated.

it's controversial to some people. i am not opposed to what jim justice is doing, giving away $100 saving bonds. if they want to give you a donut, if you want to line up at the club and get free drinks, do that. it's unfathomable to me that americans have to get paid to do something to save their lives. haiti and other countries would love to get the vaccine. i am for it. people are giving away weed, they're giving -- go to the club. stand outside the club and say, if you want a free drink, get this vaccine. i am for that. are you for that? >> absolutely, joy, because the larger corporations, the professional sports teams, they'll figure it out, but it's the restaurants that rely on foot traffic downtown in cities across the country, they need an easy way to say, yes, come in, and the easiest thing is to have 100% indoor capacity, whether it's at the ballpark or a restaurant. the only way to get their

sensibly, quickly is certification. >> the sensible people who know that the virus is real and that are afraid of it and don't want to ever catch it will be much more willing to go indoors and eat at a restaurant if you know everybody in there is vaccinated. it's just logical. it's good for the businesses. i want to shout out these doctors. it's these republican members of congress who are also doctors who released a covid vaccine ad. i'm going to do a rare praise of republicans. if they want to make an ad telling other republicans, because they don't listen to me, they'll listen to them, god bless you all for doing that. i'm going to give you credit for that. dr. vin gupta, thank you for all you do. still ahead, no, joe biden is not coming for your big mac. he's not going to come slap it out of your hand. no, kamala harris is not handing out her children's book to southern migrants at the border.

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conservatives last week, the daily mail published a piece that said that biden's climate plan would limit you to eat just quun burger a month. it found that shifts in diets to more plant based foods can lead to significant reductions in environmental impacts. and cutting back on meat would help address global warming. but biden's plan doesn't address your diet. that didn't stop fox news from taking it all the way.

>> the democrats said they want government to stay out of the bedroom. but it looks like the government just walked in your kitchen. >> he wants to cut out 90% of the red meat you eat. >> no burgers on july 4th. no steaks on the barbie. you can throw back a plant based beer with your grilled brussels sprouts and wave your american flag. >> just so everyone's aware, beer is actually made from plants. larry kudlow said he was joking about the beer. come on. and fox apologized for mid leading the audience on the topic. but that is after politicians on the right seized. and donald trump jr. claiming he ate four pounds of meat

yesterday. his colon is probably busted in. that is not the only fake news story spreading around conservative media. the new york post wrote and deleted a story that a book written by kamala harris was given to migrant kids. fox wrote its own version of the article and did articles on the story. they asked 23 bide harris was profitting from biden's border crisis. it came from a photo of one copy of kamala's book that was donated in a city donation drive. fox has walked down their report like they did after dominion sued everybody. joining me now is joan wals and charlie sis. i have to check on both of you have make sure that your ham

burgers are okay. jam, are your ham burgers in good order? >> they are just fine. just fine. i would like to just laugh at this because it's hilarious. but i didn't think it was possible that folks fox can get worse. but they have. joe biden has dlifen them news. they had some reporters. they used to say their programming -- the daytime programming was straight news and it didn't get crazy until their prime time. that is all good. they have a white house reporter, correspondent, peter dosy, he could don't and say, what is this about, biden being the hamburglar, and kamala harris's book. they don't bother reporting on a

story. it's insane. >> i'm picturing the hamburglar with ray bans on. you tweeted that a right wing 29-year-old wrote i'm not going to get vaccinated because it makes them mad. baby f you end up in the er, you think they they will risk death. that is crazy. what is happening? >> it's a pretty good vision of american conservatives. it's about owning the libs, and constantly feeding the outrage machine. it is a little like watching -- figuring how we can stoke it up. we need to come up with something more outrageous but what is interesting, you talked about joe biden's normalcy. but, you know, i will look at it in a slightly different way. look, where is the tea party

resistance right now? joe biden is proposing $1 trillion proposal, this is the largest expansion of the federal government, and there is no tea party out there, they are not talking about health care anymore. what is the real passion? the thing they are passionate about is continuing the big lie about stopping the steal and clinging to the stories that feed this -- coming up with one bonus story after one. the absence, the dog that is not barking here, you would think there are huge rallies, and what's going to happen to the deficit. you get none of this. >> can i play it real quick? this is a perfect segue to you. the guy in louisiana, the house education committee chair talking about slavery. take a listen.

>> if you're teaching -- if you're having a discussion on whatever the case might be, slavery, you can talk about the good, the bad, the ugly -- >> there's no good to slavery though. >> then, whatever the case may be. you're right. you're right. i didn't mean to imply that. >> joan, you wrote a book called "what's the matter with white people," and it wasn't about deficits. it was about the black guy. >> joe biden is white. joe biden is white. he makings them mad. and joe biden is white so they are not out there, and their funny hats, and the american pounder costumes with -- it was never about the debt, and we said that in 2009. it was never about the deficit. it was about one thing.

we know that now. and god bless that woman for standing up saying there is no good in slavery. >> it goes through the fact that the new deal and the things that a lot of white working place people used to cherish, they hate. they associate with black people and the things that save their own families throughout the 1940s and '50s are on welfare and bad. isn't that all there is? that is why fox news is in the outreach business. they are mad at people who are not christians. >> they want to people people mad. they want to people people convinced. you can sense a sense of disappointment there are not racial riots, urban riots. they had all the talking points about that, that were cued up but you will say, it's really

extraordinary looking at some of the polls. the poll yesterday showed two-thirds of americans are in on the big spending plans, and raising taxes. it would suggest that while fox and the writer are playing the culture war games, they are fundamentally using the fight, and they find out after four years with trump, the country is not with them anymore. the american people are not fiscal conservatives anymore. >> is it an anymore? isn't it true that the things that joe biden is pitching is the stuff that we always wanted. >> absolutely. and to get the numbers that high, the accounts sfwts coronavirus and hegs handling plans, that is one thing i will say about the white people. there has to be a fair number of white people in the crowd. i would like them to be

republicans. i would like them to be white working class folks but there are a lot of white people in that group. they might turn around and see the base is gone. it's not happening yet. we see positive signs. >> isn't it the race case, charlie, i thought the thing that donald trump did understand about white working class people, they are not against spending. they are for spending. >> no, and apparently, that is true. one of the things he did to break the mold, he said i'm not going to do anything about entitlement programs. there is a reason they are stepping up and saying this is terrible. he just presided over blowing up the deficit. at least in the back of their minds -- >> they don't remember any of that. >> yeah. >> they never cared about it. joan walsh, thank you very much. before we go tonight, a quick

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