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welcome back, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian. signs of hope on capitol hill today that a police reform bill may actually happen with one republican senator at the center of things. >> i do not believe is acting on his own. he is acted with the approval and support of his leadership. >> so you think there's a pretty good chance by may 25th you'll have a deal in. >> yeah, i hope so. tim is the leader on this. his package is bipartisan. >> and a new nbc poll has good news for president biden as he prepares for his 100th day this week. in a speech to congress, his administration is framing as a victory lap for what they've accomplished so far. >> he is someone who i have seen over and over again make
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decisions based on what he truly believes, based on his years of doing this work and studying these issues. what he truly believes is the right thing to do. >> so this as republicans struggle to paint a president most americans see as a moderate in our new poll as something very different. >> he was going to govern as bipartisan. but the switch is he's governed as a socialist. >> he's making barack obama look like ted cruz. >> i knew he would be left of center. i didn't know he'd be left of lenin. >> all right. so the gop also showing they remain with their big election lie. also imagine having to decide between your state or your kid. new nbc reporting on parents considering fleeing their states due to hostile anti-trans laws that put their kids at risk. we're going to talk to a mom facing that exact choice. but i want to start on
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capitol hill where congress is inching closer and closer to compromise on police reform legislation. today, members of both parties agree reform is critical in the wake of several police shootings. but say there's one big sticking point to a bipartisan bill. with that, i want to bring in ali vitali following this for us. good to see you. clear this up for us. it seems all of this is hinging on qualified immunity which, as you know, essentially means that you can't sue civilly a police officer. what's going on here? >> yeah, that's exactly right. you laid out the broad strokes which is that everyone, or most everyone up here on capitol hill agrees that especially in the aftermath of the murder of george floyd, something needs to be done to reform policing. the question, though, what exactly should be done to reform policing. and there is that sticking point that you talk about. qualified immunity. it's the thing that a lot of people up here on the hill are talking about as the key sticking point on this bill
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because it prevents police officers from being sued in civil court. democrats believe that by getting rid of it, they'll be adding a measure of accountability to law enforcement. republicans on the other hand don't believe that you should be able to get rid of it. they fear that it could freeze the people who want to join law enforcement. we actually watched this debate play out between two key people in these negotiations, congresswoman karen bass and senator lindsey graham. listen to both sides of this. >> what's most important is that we come up with ways to hold police officers accountable so we will stop seeing these videos. so ending qualified immunity, decreasing the standard that is needed to prosecute an officer. >> there's a way to find qualified immunity reform. take the cop out of it. my idea, along with senator scott, you can't sue the police officer. you sue the department if there's an allegation. >> and that's one of the compromises on the table there, yasmin. what senator graham was saying
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which is senator tim scott, the leading republican on those negotiations saying he'd be open to ending qualified immunity not for the individual police officer but saying broadly that civil cases could be brought against police departments. so employers, not employees. it's unclear that that's going to be a tenable point of negotiations, but that is really the latest twist in this. i also think it's important to think about where this goes from here. you heard in your introduction chris wallace saying that may 25th was a key date on this. a lot of democrats and some republicans have laid out the one-year anniversary of george floyd's killing as the day that they would like to have progress made on this issue. it's unclear whether things are going to move at that pace but congresswoman karen bass, the leading democrat on this, has said right now negotiations have been informal. to make them formal, which she thinks could happen soon, that requires the blessing of leadership. she has said she believes that senator scott is doing this with the support of republican leadership.
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she believes that speaker pelosi and others have also been supportive of this. it's a point of moving these negotiations to a more formal space to get them into the next place. at the same time, this is an issue we're going to hear about when president biden addresses congress next week. this is really going to stay on the forefront. >> ali vitali, good to see you. president biden heads to capitol hill this week with a new solid job approval rating. the president will be speaking in front of a joint session of congress for the first time since taking office 100 days ago. nbc news's latest poll shows 53% of american voters approve of the way biden is handling his job. for more on 100 days into the biden administration, i'm joined by jonathan lemere, white house reporter for the associated press. great to see you. thanks for joining us on this. i want to talk through some of the key issues laid out in this polling. he rated the best when it came to covid, coronavirus. 69% approving of his handling of the coronavirus. 52% on the economy so far.
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52% on uniting the country. which is actually surprising when you look at a whopping 80% of the country still thinking the country is mostly divided. but when it comes to things he did not do well on, jonathan, it is border security and immigration at 33% and guns, 34%. what's going on here? >> well, let's start with the overall number, which is a positive one. president biden is enjoying approval ratings high are than president trump really had at any point in his. and they believe that their central mission upon taking office on january 20th was to, of course, handle the pandemic that has so dominated american life for well over a year. and they are receiving good marks on it because they've made progress. they have indeed. yes, we're seeing, of course, some upticks in some states. we've seen worrisome numbers in michigan the last couple of
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weeks. on the whole, cases are down. the vaccine distribution way up. now challenges persist to make sure to further vaccinate americans hesitant to get it now but he's made undeniable progress since taking office. the president and his team point to the $1.9 trillion covid relief bill as something that accomplished both of those things in terms of pandemic response and jump-starting the economy. and now we know their focus will be this infrastructure and jobs package. a sweeping one that has received a lot of republican opposition, at least to this point because it is meant to be paid for by a rise in the corporate tax rate. the president has unveiled part of the package already. the other part coming in his speech to congress on wednesday, we believe. but not everything has gone exactly according to plan. administration officials acknowledge they were caught off guard by the sheer number of migrants, particularly young migrants, coming to the border. that is something they're trying to get their hands around now.
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and we've seen this real surge, sadly, in mass shootings across the country. for a stretch we were getting one on nearly a daily basis. that's going to be a challenge for biden and democrats as there seems to be very little in the way of bipartisan appetite for a deal. republicans seem opposed to any sort of guns measure so far. >> the ap looked at how many campaign promises biden made and how many he acted on. 61 promises made. 24 kept so far. we could go through a whole litany of things that were -- promises made and some of which were kept when it came to covid relief, lifting the travel ban. but then a promise he made and wasn't able to keep was lifting the cap on refugees entering into this country. take us through some of these -- some of these promises that were not necessarily kept and where we are statuswise. >> sure. certainly on the refugee cap, that's one that the white house acknowledges. they botched a week or so back.
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they have said the cap will be raised. they said it will be soon. they informally set a may 15th deadline and have even suggested they'll be able to raise that number prior to that number, the cap doesn't mean all the refugees are all going to be here immediately. that's not how this works. and they point to the fact they have lifted some of the measures put in place by the previous administration which was largely preventing no refugees to come in from parts of africa and muslim majority countries on that continent and in the middle east. but that is one they know. a lot of people on their side were really disappointed with their initial announcement that the cap wouldn't change at all which, of course, triggered a furious backtrack. there's going to be a commission on policing that's not gotten off the ground yet. another measure that -- another promise the president hasn't quite kept just yet. and yet certainly some others that will take more time beyond 100 days. that's what the white house is trying to say. this requires some patience and
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legislative strategy. joe biden has the white house, but democrats have control of the two houses of congress by the slimmest of margins. the senate is a 50-50 tie with the vice president casting the decisive vote. they know this has to be done carefully in terms of the sequencing of these events. infrastructure and jobs next. not a slam dunk because not only can they not count on the republican support necessarily but they have a disparate caucus themselves. a large gap between where joe manchin is and where alexandria ocasio-cortez is. they have to keep their own party in line as well before that may turn on to the tougher asks like immigration and policing and voting rights. >> jonathan lemire, good to see you, my friend. still ahead -- the race to vaccinate young people. we're outside a site in new jersey that's inoculating 4,000 people a day. what state tactics they are using to encourage high schoolers to get the shot. >> they are going to have high school graduation ceremonies, college graduation ceremonies. we'll have family and friend
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welcome back. michigan's coronavirus wards are now filling up with younger, sicker patients. take a look at this headline that emphasizes a startling reality. the state is experiencing the nation's most dangerous covid outbreak. according to the michigan health and hospital association, michigan hospitals are now admitting about twice as many coronavirus patients in their 30s and 40s as they were during the fall peak. health officials suspect the
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shifting demographics are a result of the state's decision to prioritize elderly michigan residents for vaccines leaving younger michiganders disproportionately exposed to this virus. then we go to new jersey where state officials are urging younger residents to get vaccinate as soon as possible. cori coffin is in rockaway, new jersey, with more on this. new jersey has expanded its vaccine eligibility for residents 16 years and older. how urgent is this effort to get younger folks vaccinated? >> yasmin, good afternoon. it's becoming more and more urgent here in new jersey and in many other states that we're seeing. for example, michigan, where you've been reporting on these cases of younger and younger people getting the virus. what we're seeing is that that is largely due, according to health officials across the nation, in part because they haven't had access to the vaccine up until now. so that's going to be a big push in the next coming weeks and months moving forward.
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according to the cdc, only 0.4% of 16 and 17-year-olds in this country are fully vaccinated right now. that number is going to have to drastically jump up to start to bring those cases down when it comes to children catching it and young adults. there are many different programs that are now being introduced. for example, this mass vaccination site here in new jersey has a weekend program specifically for graduating teens who want to be able to have their parties and go to prom. they also, we're hearing about, deejays coming in and trying to keep people entertained. they are going into schools to get these kids vaccinated. and at the white house level, at the federal level, they are also introducing campaigns with celebrities and athletes to try to get the word out to younger people. i spoke with the ceo of atlantic health system, a partnership with this site, and they explained just how much is riding on getting our younger generation vaccinated. listen to what he said. >> i think that this younger age group was a bit distanced from
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the impact of covid. so in many instances, it's just not very real to them. and this is a significant disease. and so if we're able to get to this group, using something like a graduation, they can begin to talk through their social media networks and to their friends and families, and we think that's all part of the goal of getting to vaccinate 70% of the population here in new jersey and throughout the country. >> all right. so he mentioned something really important there. the plateauing that we're starting to see with the demand in vaccines among older people because of people already being vaccinated or vaccine hesitancy. so in order to get us to that herd immunity, many epidemiologists believe that's the next generation that's getting the younger folks vaccinated to get us to the 70% to 80%. in addition, pfizer has requested emergency approval through the fda to start vaccinating those as young as 12. we could get an answer in the coming weeks there. of course, they are still doing
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tests and wanting to double check on the efficacy for younger children. so that's something that is still at least several months away. >> cori coffin, thank you. coming up -- people are hitting the streets of kenosha, wisconsin, protesting a return to work of the officer who shot jacob blake last year. we're live on the ground after the break. plus, will it be easier to convict officers following the derek chauvin verdict. we'll breakdown what hurdles still remain. stay with us. e control. the patented blend is clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels. boost glucose control products contain high quality protein and key nutrients to support immune health. try boost. stay restless with the icon that does the same. the rx crafted by lexus. get 0.9% apr financing on the 2021 rx 350 experience amazing at your lexus dealer. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪
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welcome back. we have breaking news out of elizabeth city, north carolina, where after widespread protests demanding the release of police body cam footage in the wake of andrew brown jr.'s death at the hands of police, the county sheriff announced he's taking steps to make the video public. >> we want the body camera footage made public. some have falsely claimed my office has the power to do so.
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that is not true. only a judge can release the video. our county will file a motion in court, hopefully monday, to have the footage released. >> the announcement is coming amid growing calls from north carolina lawmakers and advocates for police transparency. officers were attempting to execute a warrant when they shot and killed brown. seven deputies have been placed on administrative leave as the investigation is, in fact, ongoing. so a protest is under way in kenosha, wisconsin, calling for the officer who shot jacob blake to be fired. officer rusten sheskey was on administrative leave since the shooting last august. that left blake paralyzed. now he's back on duty and not face anything charges. tonya mclean, the director of the advocacy group, leaders of kenosha released a statement saying safety and healing cannot happen when an officer who fired seven shots into an unarmed blackman's back on a block where our children walk to school and our family goes to church returns to work like nothing happened. all of us, black, white, brown,
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native and newcomer deserve to be safe in our own neighborhoods and that starts with accountability for the attempted murder of jacob blake. let's bring in nbc's cal perry. you just talked to tonya. what did she tell you? >> yeah, so what she's talking about, and our viewers will not be surprised is there needs to be wide sweeping change. look at the police chief's statement about sheskey coming back to work and what it basically says. i'll make it shorter. he did not break the law. now that comes as a shock to the people of this community who, of course, remember that video vividly well of jacob blake being shot seven times in the black. when you talk to one of the organizers, she said there needs to be better communication. wide, sweeping changes. take a listen. >> until we feel safe, then how do -- i mean, where is the repair? if they're not trying to truly remedy the situation and hear us
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and really understand our point and our perspective, then nothing will change. but just going together piecemeal things, that's not sufficing anymore. >> one of the things we keep hearing here and protesters will move from here, there's a small group of them down to the police station about a half mile away. one thing people are telling us is this is a community still obviously very deeply wounded and there's a concern that officer sheskey will be back on the street. they are worried they'll bump into the officer inside kenosha. >> cal perry, thank you. i want to continue this conversation on policing in this country with melissa marie, nyu professor of layoff. an msnbc contributor and the former law clerk to judge sonia sotomayor. thanks for joining us on this. good to see you. you remember the nationwide protests after blake's shooting last year. pro basketball, baseball, tennis, soccer players all refused to play as well. cal just mentioned officer
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sheskey is back to work. not necessarily back on the streets but back to work nonetheless facing now charges, no discipline at all. what does this is a to those folks that were in the street protesting the killing of jacob blake? >> well, to be clear, i think over the last week, with the resounding convictions in the floyd case, some people may be given the impression that there will be a significant turn around in the way policing happens on the ground. but i think what the floyd case shows is that in a situation with overwhelming evidence of the officer's wrongdoing, you can get a conviction like that. a result like that. but for the most part, most legal doctrines recognize that policing carries with it inherent risk and for that reason, police officers have quite broad latitude to use force in the conduct of their duties and there's very little in terms of boundaries that may
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be applied to them. and when they do act in ways that may be deemed excessive, other civil doctrines, like the federal doctrine of qualified immunity, may further shield them from civil liability for any of the wrongs they may commit. so again, a lot of this is due to a kind of legal and jurisprudential landscape created around policing but it's unlikely to change unless there's grassroots organizing at the local level and perhaps also federal oversight. >> not just about policing, though, as you well know. also about the justice system. as you mentioned, a lot of folks arguing this was -- the derek chauvin case was an open and shut case. yet so many across this country were incredibly worried that chauvin would actually get an acquittal, even with the overwhelming evidence against him. >> i think that's right. derek chauvin's case is sort of idiosyncratic because it's one of the few times you can think of even where there's eyewitness testimony or video testimony
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where it's actually resulted in the conviction of an officer. in other cases, rodney king, for example, we've seen acquittals. and we've seen communities absolutely devastated by the results of those trials. again, the landscape is one that, because of the risk of policing, tends to give officers a pretty wide berth and the question i think that many in those communities are asking is, does the fact of public safety actually serve all communities for which the police actually operate. >> according to "the new york times," you have 30 states that have passed a total of 140 police reforms since george floyd's death. but they have all been piecemeal in part due to police union pushback. just how much power do police unions currently have? and who is that on to strip away some of that power, if, in fact, they are inhibiting police
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reform? >> so police unions do exercise, i think, quite a bit of power and certainly do wield a considerably amount of influence in the legislative arena in terms of either allowing for change to happen or perhaps even impeding change from happening. i think we've seen over the last couple of days some movement on the federal level. there seems to be widespread interest in getting the george floyd justice in policing bill through the senate. there will be a lot of compromises from the house bill to the senate version. a lot of sticking points to get to a 60-senator majority there, including questions about whether they can compromise on qualified immunity and other doctrines. but the point of the matter is that police is quintessentially a local activity. so whatever the federal government can do to perhaps encourage states to do more, a lot of the action really does have to be at the state level and again for all of the reasons you suggest. that may be more piecemeal and
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incremental. >> good to see you. coming up, multiple states have passed anti-transgender bills. i'm going to talk with one parent who is contemplating a move out of the state of texas because she says it is no longer safe for her transgender son. we'll be right back. the bowls are back. applebee's irresist-a-bowls all just $8.99.
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nbc news exclusive report shows some families are considering fleeing their states to get care for their children without fear of legal repercussions. right now, at least 67 bills in 32 states have been introduced to ban transgender youth from sports. 40 bills in 21 states have been proposed to ban gender affirming medical care for transgender kids with at least five of them ready and waiting on governors' desks. in addition to a recently passed anti-trans health care bill, arkansas is considering at least four other restrictive bills targeting lgbtq people. states like texas and north carolina are weighing similar legislation. texas mom amber is one of the many parents we highlighted seeing no other option but to leave her state for the safety of her child. she testified just last week against a bill that would make it a felony for her to provide her son with access to
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gender-affirming care. watch this. >> today my son is 13 years old, the most popular boy in seventh grade and loved by our friends, family, our church and our community. this is possible because he has parents who affirm him and provide him the support he needs. taking that support away from him or worse, taking him away from his family because we broke the law to provide that support will have devastating and heartbreaking consequences. >> amber is joining me now. that's so emotional to see you testify there, amber, on behalf of your child. talk to me about the impact that this legislation would have on you and your family. >> yeah, it was an emotional day. thank you for allowing the opportunity to speak today. the impact it would have on my family and not just my family
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but families across the country would be devastating. this is life-saving medically necessary care for transkids everywhere. and these legislators need to stay in their lane and get to the real business of covid relief and getting vaccines out and here in texas, there were like over 100 people that died when the electrical grid failed. maybe we could fix ercot, regulate that instead of regulating transgender bodies. it's utterly astounding to me just how little comprehension these legislators have when it comes to raising a transgender child. i remember what it was like before my son was able to transition. i remember how sad he was. his low self-esteem, the way he would shrink when people would misgender him and called him a girl because he wasn't, right? and he is so amazing today. he is by all respects truly the
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most perfect child on the planet. and he is that way because not only was he just like naturally born to be awesome, but he is receiving the care that he needs and the support that he medically needs from his parents and from -- i'm so sorry. he's getting the support that he needs to be his authentic self and taking that support away, that is the child abuse plain and simple. >> you are a mom speaking on behalf of your child. you're passionate and you love your child obviously very much. what is it like for him knowing what is happening in his state and across this country trying to take his rights away from him? take his -- not affirming who he knows himself to truly be? >> yeah. i worry about him. we went to a rally in my town on wednesday, my own state legislator who knows my family
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personally and has shook my son's hand, signed on to basically a companion bill in the house which was atrocious and gross. and so i organized a rally, and my son, bless him, you know, he could have made a sign that said something like, protect trans kids or whatever. he made a sign that stood up for our rights. he said my parents are not child abusers. it was heart breaking. so i worry about him. i worry about him a lot like any parent would worry about the mental health of their child. fortunately, he's, for the most part, he's pretty unconsumed by this. like, you know, he's just an average 13-year-old kid. he just got back -- a couple of neighborhood boys had a sleepover in the backyard. he rode his bike over and camped out with some kids. he's an average 13-year-old kid. i'm a hot mess. i can't sleep. i can't focus on things. i have to remind myself, i had to file a police report last week over multiple threatening voice mails listing all the ways
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that i should die. so i am not great, but i'm not -- i won't back down. this is my kid. i have to fight for his life and fight for my family. here i am. thank you for the opportunity. >> moms will do anything for their kids. stick around, amber. i want to bring in our other guest as well so we can have a full-throttle conversation. jodi patterson, board member of the human rights campaign and author of "the bold world" and jay brown from the human rights campaign. welcome to you both, guys. so jodi, you and i talked a lot about this kind of stuff. you are the mom to five kids, one of which is a transgender boy penelope. hearing amber talk about her plight in texas right now, what her son is dealing with, restricting the rights of kids in this country. what is your reaction. >> a lot of these bills are
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confusing for the average person. i am not a politician by any stretch of the imagination. i am not a scientist. as a parent and as a mother, it's my job to bring to the forefront this reality that i know firsthand. talking about bills that restrict the lives of trans vote but many don't even know trans identified people. i'm raising a trans child and it's my job to talk about the deeper meaning for our children, a deeper meaning of our children. they are more than these bodies, more than these laws lead us to believe. a straight-a student, athlete, friend. i've raised him to be that way. he's reflective of millions of trans identified people. when we start talking about the laws of trans people, it's my duty to bring this truth that i know to the forefront so that we can think before we write these bills. and it's really a re-education of an entire community. i share my story all the time.
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not to make us more vulnerable, but so that there's an understanding behind all of this complicated political jargon. these are real folks that we're talking about. real children. and to not see them is the real crime. >> jay, want to bring you into the conversation here. you, of course, are with the human rights campaign. you yourself are trans as well. help us understand exactly what is happening right now in this country with the volume of laws that we are seeing trying to restrict the rights specifically and especially of trans children. not allowing a trans girl, for instance, to play on a girl sports team, right? i can't imagine as a 12-year-old child what that would feel like to be told, you can't play soccer because this lawmaker says you can't. >> yeah, it's incredible. what we're seeing right now are a wave of anti-lgbtq bills
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coming at us. these are on a variety of issues but mostly around either sports or medical care. already four governors have signed anti-trans bills in mississippi, alabama, arkansas and tennessee. and in south dakota, the governor there tried to have it both ways with the veto and then executive orders that essentially did the same thing. on monday, our president issued a bold call to action to corporate america asking them to increase their volume of speaking out against this anti-trans rhetoric and political behavior and fortunately, we have seen some progress this week, three governors vetoed anti-lgbtq legislation and two of those were republicans in arizona and north dakota. we still have much more we need to do, and we're working hard to keep these from becoming law. there already are about 10 pending signatures on governors' desks right now p. amber, you
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testified. we showed your testimony as we were coming into this segment. what is your plan now? >> i am going to stay and fight. i know i -- first off, my son always comes first. if it comes to it, we will move. it will be hard. my husband is a tenured professor and i'm a small business owner. those jobs don't transfer easy but my son comes first. show me on that map where my family will be safe. no place is safe until every place is safe. and just because your state doesn't have this legislation pending yet, that doesn't mean that tomorrow they won't, right? so i need to stand and fight. i cannot -- like what other choice do i have but to fight for my family in a place where we live. it's privileged when people ask, why don't you move? why don't you help, right? that should be the question. why are they doing this? why are grown adults doing this to children. that is the question.
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>> it's a good response. why don't you move? >> yeah. why don't you move. >> thank you so much. i hope you come back as we continue to cover this story. jay, thank you. jodie, i want to show folks the book you just came out with "born ready." i read it to my children multiple times. this is the story of jodie's son. pick it up wherever you buy your books. "born ready." congratulations. >> thank you so much. >> coming up -- another presidential election recount. >> joe biden is president-elect. >> six months later -- >> an audit of the votes in maricopa county, arizona, is still under way. why former president trump and the republican party can't let go. next. trelegy for copd.
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network is fundraising to finance. still with no twitter, the former president praised arizona saying the national guard should be called to watch the recount and telling supporters to expect startling results. if you had any illusions trump's hold on the gop may be waning, this should tell you, think again. i'm joined by adrian alrod and kurt bardella. sorry. i had to take this pregnant pause as i was reading through this recount effort in arizona. but, okay, adrian, let's get into it. so democrats in arizona, as we well know at this point, they're trying to fight this recount effort which is based off of a total and absolute lie about this election. >> yeah, yasmin, it's absurd. the election was quite a long time ago. biden is almost 100 days into his presidency and the fact that republicans are still focused on this tells you everything you
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need to know about their priorities. instead of charting forward and trying to figure out how to rebuild their party and try to create a stronger coalition of supporters, they are focusing on the past. we know what the outcome is going to be. gng to be going to be said and victor in arizona. again, it's a waste of time. it tells you in my view everything you need to know about the gop right now in terms of where their priorities are placed. they are misplaced. >> it seems that many of the legislators were in a way bullied into kind of advocating for these recount efforts, because they were getting threats. anybody who kind of had any reservations about having a recount based off of a lie are getting twitter messages, text messages from folks saying, you better do this or something will happen to your family, which is continuing to happen kind of jumping off of what happened on january 6th and the insurrection. >> you know, when this happens
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in other places around the world, we call it terrorism. when people are moved to an action that they know is wrong, that they know is not right, when they are brought there by fear, intimidation, the people perpetrating that they are domestic terrorists. the fact that so many people who are elected to public office who use the term republican by their name are unwilling -- unwilling to stand up to these crazy conspiratorial lunatics dangerous and violent is a very sad state of affairs. it shows the totality of which that donald trump and the white nationalists have cannibalized the republican party. anyone who hoped that after a defeat in the november general election that the party would reassess, do self-reflection, realize they are doubling down on crazy, anyone who thought they might do that, that's not
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going to happen. they will pander to the extreme and dangerous elements within their party and represent their base. it's a very dangerous development for america that to this day, more than 170 some odd das since the election there are people advocating for the undoing of a fair and free election in the united states of america. >> someone said to me as we were talking about this earlier, they are going to get the same results they got with the november election. my response was, how can we trust what results they get from this recount when you have one american news network fund-raising for this recount, live streaming this recount on their say 2,000 votes were found. how can you trust what's happening? >> that's right. that is why when elections are close, you do recounts right after election day.
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you do it quickly. you do it as fast as you can so you can certify the results and you can move on. as you probably know, very rarely do recounts ever overturn the actual election results. we have seen this time and time again. ultimately, the election truly -- turns out to be in the favor of the person who won initially. you can't really miscount votes when -- in the way they are structured today, the way the process works today. it's very hard to miscount votes, which is why when you see recounts, you might see five more votes to this person, another 50 to this person. ultimately, it does not make a difference in the outcome. >> i want to play something from kevin mccarthy on fox this morning talking about the insurrection. >> when i talk to president trump about it, i was the first person to contact him about it. what he ended the call telling
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me, he will put something out to make sure to stop this. that's what he did. he put a video out later. >> quite a lot later. it was a weak video. i'm asking you specifically, did he say to you, i guess some people are more concerned about the election than you are? >> no. listen. my conversations with the president are my conversations with the president. >> kurt? >> it's the face of a coward right there. not only did president trump at the time put out a video much later, it was a video in which he said we love you to the people who were sieging our capital, who were murdering law enforcement for the party of law and order. they were the ones perpetrating violence against our police. kevin mccarthy is a coward. he demonstrates that every day. >> thank you. i do want to go back quickly to wisconsin with the protest happening over an officer who shot and partially paralyzed jacob blake now back on duty.
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cal, i understand you spoke with blake's father. what did he have to say? >> reporter: we will do it right now. jacob blake, senior, thank you for joining us. can i ask you what it was like when you found out the officer was going to be returned to duty? >> it was as bad as the day my son was shot. it's another slap in the face. we weren't told. how can i man that is still facing charges in different courts go back to work in the street when he attempted to murder my son? i don't get it. i don't get it. >> reporter: what does a march like today mean to you? >> it means that we're not giving up. we will never give up. we can't stop. justice will be found. i've been sick for a couple months. that's why you didn't see me in minnesota standing with my
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brother. i wasn't able to go to breonna's anniversary. they are on the phone with me. we support each other. that's what's important. the cohesiveness and the togetherness of the families. >> reporter: thank you for your time. the best to your health and your son. there are four activists who have put themes at the door of the police station. they will stay, even if that means they get arrested. >> good to see you. that wraps up the hour for me. reverend al sharpton is up next after a quick break. -free combin of two immunotherapies that works differently. it could mean a chance to live longer. opdivo plus yervoy is for adults newly diagnosed with non-small cell lung cancer that has spread, tests positive for pd-l1, and does not have an abnormal egfr or alk gene. it is the only fda-approved combination of two immunotherapies. opdivo plus yervoy equals
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♪♪ good evening. welcome to "politics nation." today's lead, sign of the times. right now, several fundamental questions about our nation's future are being asked and american seems to approve of the answers it's getting from the oval office. coming up on his symbolic 100th day in office, this week president biden will address congress and by extension the nation. from a u.s. capitol building that was defiled by insurrectionists barely four months before. with the

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