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thanks for watching. we'll be back here on sunday at 8:00 p.m. eastern, and you can catch me on the streaming channel, peacock. now it's time to turn the evening over to joshua johnson. >> good evening. tomorrow president biden sits down with a bipartisan group of members of congress on the agenda, $2 trillion and millions of jobs. we'll have a review. there's bipartisan pushback to calls for an american-first caucus, but this rhetoric and the racial overtones is nothing new in american politics. we'll walk you through it. and we'll kick off climate change week with actor nikolaj coster-waldau from the "game of thrones." what do we do when gridlock
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holds our politics hostage? we'll get insights from chris hodge, who is a hostage negotiator. i am joshua johnson. welcome to "the week." there's good news in getting americans their covid vaccinations. according to the cdc half of the adults in the u.s. have received at least one shot. starting tomorrow everybody 18 and older is eligible nationwide. all adults is expecting a media blitz from the white house to talk about the new eligibility. finding an appointment could be more difficult with the johnson & johnson vaccine on pause. dr. anthony fauci says he expect
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the j&j vaccine to go back in use. >> my estimate is we will continue to use it in some form. i doubt very seriously if they just cancel it. i don't think that's going to happen. i do think that there will likely be some sort of warning or restriction or risk assessment. i don't think it's just going to go back and say, everything is fine, go right back. i think it will likely say we will use it but be careful under these certain circumstances. in russia's doctors fear alexi novotny will die soon. he is three weeks into a hunger strike and test results show that he is near death. president biden's national security adviser, jake sullivan, warned there will be republic raw kugss if mr. now srul knee dies. >> in terms of this specific
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measures that we would undertake, we're looking at a variety of different costs that we would impose and i am not going to telegraph that publicly at this point, but we have communicated there will be consequences if mr. novotny dies. on capitol hill a number of progressive bills moved through congress this week. they included expanding the supreme court, reparations and making washington, d.c. a state. on thursday a group of congressional democrats introduced an item to add four seats to the supreme court, a total of 13. they say it's necessary to restore equilibrium. but the public is split on that idea, and a new poll shows 42% of americans oppose expanding the court and 38% support it. what idea was popular? ending lifetime appointments for justices. 63% said they would support age or term limits for the supreme court.
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meanwhile reparations could be heading to the house floor. this would be the first time a reparations bill has been introduced in more than three decades. and on thursday the full house will vote on making washington, d.c. the 51st state. that bill has more than 200 co-sponsors. how will any of the bills fair in the senate? the filibuster is still in fact, and grant it gop senators have yet to use the filibuster during this team. let's kick off with nbc political correspondent, alley paw tally. do they have another way about it? >> it's a really good question, joshua. the first tactic for democrats according to majority leader,
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chuck schumer, and he has urged chairs of committees to look for points of commonality, and it's done with politics in mind. the mid terms are looming and democrats would like to be able to say they tried to work with republicans and republicans obstructed them at every turn and that would be a great message for democrats to run on and it would show the depth of how far republicans will go to obstruct democratic messaging and policy. >> if our creed yo is this, we always want to try and work in a bipartisan way, but we must have a big and bold aen duh and if republicans won't vote for anything miniscule and our first instinct is to reach out and see if we can reach compromises.
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>> that might be the first instinct is compromise, but next -- we are probably going to hear the world reconciliation more, and we heard it when democrats passed the covid relief bill and we are likely to hear it as we move forward on the conversation about infrastructure as well, because effectively the budget tool which the senate parliamentarian allows them to move forward with the simple majority, and part of that is you avoid the filibuster conversation in how you can reform it and how you can pass big budget items like infrastructure, and the problem is reconciliation is only allowed for budgetary items. we already saw this play out for something like raising the federal minimum wage to $15. democrats couldn't get that done because the parliamentarian ruled that didn't work within the rules of reconciliation, so
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it's a fix but not a fix for everything. the other thing here, though, is if democrats move forward and use this and right now they are calling it another arrow in fair quiver, but if they use it what is good for democrats ends up being good for republicans, and this is a revolving door and democrats have the power right now but republicans could have it again, and this is something that republicans can do, too. it's also something that mitch mcconnell is aware of, because even doing something by a simple majority means that democrats need to have all 50 of their members onboard. you already have people like joe manchin and kirsten cinema saying they would like to move forward in a bipartisan fashion, and manchin has been clear he doesn't want to do anything regarding the filibuster, and mitch mcconnell knows that and he has been praising them and maybe he can keep them from
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going nuclear on the filibuster or bring them to his ranks on other things -- other items democrats want but they will need all 50 of them to get. >> before i let you go, what is the sense in washington as to whether the meeting tomorrow will mean anything? mitt romney, a republican who seems to have more of an openness to bipartisanship in his party, and charlie crist, a former republican governor turned democratic lawmaker, and jimenez, a miami-dade official, and if you were going to put ten people in a world that were already inclined to work in a bipartisan fashion, this is them. does this get to dealing with the deeper divisions in the party or is this just kind of to telegraph bipartisanship? >> look, we've already seen, though, several bipartisan groups come together during the covid relief negotiations, certainly regarding
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infrastructure. these conversations are happening. it's just when push comes to actual shove in a vote, nothing comes of it in a bipartisan fashion. there's pressure from republicans from those that might be up for re-election, or the midterms, there's pressure to hold the party line here. we have seen republicans trying to have it both ways like covid relief, voting against it and touting it back in their districts and i imagine that's what we are going to see going forward, but i like to be optimistic going forward, too. >> thank you, alley. division between parties is enough to deal with, but we might see a new faction within the republican party. georgia congresswoman marjorie taylor greene appeared to back away this weekend from plans to form an america-first caucus. organizing documents saying the group with protect anglo saxen
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political traditions. we know what anglo saxen means. no wonder some shot it down. >> i have no idea how this even showed up. i wouldn't call it mainstreamed in our party, but i can tell you that this so-called america first caucus is one of the nuttiest things i have ever seen, and to see some members of congress go off and start this america first caucus is -- it's the silliest thing i have ever seen, and republicans need to denounce it. >> nutty or not, congresswoman green says the ideas behind the caucus are not going anywhere whether the group forms or not. that phrase, america first, it keeps popping up. where did it come from? joining us now is christina gear, a political professor of science, the author of "black
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ethics." good evening, it's great to see you. >> it's great to see you, too, joshua. >> i have to say when john boehner said i don't know where this came from, that does not ring true at all because we have seen the political rhetoric of the last four years, and before the last four years, this term, america first as roots and history. walk us through that history? >> well, this country since its inception, it's a country of inclusion and anti-black racism and as we begun to talk about it in the last few weeks we know we have had several asian-american exclusion acts and lots of legislation on the federal and state levels to exclude jewish americans at various points in the country's history, and obviously japanese camps, and there's a fear that whites versus nonwhites. i argue in my book we shifted to
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blacks versus nonblacks, and this country has a fear from the framers of the constitution, how to protect the minority from the majority that does not look like us, meaning wealthy white men, and as that has been able to expand into others, there's a 50-40, like will the latinos take over. we will still likely have a apartheid system of structures that are dominant in local, state and federal politics but this conversation of exsphrouson of other racial ethnic groups has always been there and we know the republican party has been saying the loud part quiet for the last four years, explicitly under donald trump, and we can look at his policies during the entire eight years of
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barack obama when he was in office and when he was retired and know that he upheld some of the beliefs and principles as well, john boehner. >> i think it's important for us to remember, when we talk about the idea of who is in and who is out in america, this cuts in many directions, black/white for sure, and minority groups and people of color and even spaniards, russians, swedes, people that we call a swaur they complexions, germans. was mentioned, donald trump is using this rhetoric in its contemporary meaning. here's one example. >> from this day forward a new vision will govern our land. from this day forward it's going
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to be only america first, america first. >> professor greer, how durable do you think the rhetoric is, particularly because once congresswoman green and congressman from arizona walked it back quickly, do you think americans are getting hip to this in a way they won't tolerate anymore? >> no, i don't think that's it, and i think the republican party is getting hip to the fact they can't be as explaceit. i don't think they will walk it back. i think they will say that this is egregious and this is not who we are, yet they will quietly pass legislation in state houses across the country that support this type of nonsense. we have to remember, you know, it was not too long ago that there were signs all over the country that said no jews, no
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n-word, no dogs. the republican party consistently supports these horrible policies that exsphroud various racial and ethnic groups on state level politics while their colleagues say one thing to the media yet they are either silent when it comes to really speaking out or quietly will cosign this legislation and pass it through state houses across the country. >> i wonder, professor, before i have to let you go, i wonder if part of the key to moving past this is getting more americans to realize, this kind of native rhetoric, if you are german, irish, italian, swedish, polish, jewish in this country, this is bigger than black, white or brown, white, this does affect everybody. >> i think joshua, part of the larger issue is we don't adequately teach the truth of american history in the country,
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and we have to ideological truth that makes it looks like we are a dynamic melting pot but this country has gone through great lengths to exclude people, and people who have come here voluntarily and involuntarily have experienced many forms. >> hopefully that will help more of us to see this in common terms and see it as a threat to who all of us are as americans. christina greer, thank you very much. greenland is the world's largest island and we will check out a new documentary series from actor nikolaj coster-waldau. yes, i did ask him about "game of thrones," kind of. that's coming up. also, it's supposed to be routine but it's often
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unnerving. we will explore the anatomy of a traffic stop. first, richard lui is here with the headlines. >> some of the stories this hour, the home of barry broad was vandalized, and a pig's head was thrown on the porch and the blood was splattered on the house. santa rosa believes the victim was falsely targeted because he no longer lives in santa rosa. at one point bitcoin was down almost 20% from the record high. formula one is coming to miami next year. the race will be held at the hard rock stadium complex which is also home to the miami dolphins and will be one of the two new u.s. grand prixs next year, and the other will take
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it's one of the things that the u.s. and china can apparently work together on, climate change. today both countries signed an agreement to step up their climate emissions. next week president biden will hold a virtual climate summit with world leaders.
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this week nbc news is leading a week of special coverage on the climate challenge. this crisis touches every country including one that despite its name is more icy than green. 81% of greenland is covered in ice and it's melting fast. researchers say if it all melted sea levels would rise by more than 23 feet. actor nikolaj coster-waldau raised this alarm in his new five-part docuseries "through greenland." >> the nice is greenland works a bit like the canary in a coal mine. >> nikolaj coster-waldau was best known as jamie in the hbo series "game of thrones," and yes, i did ask him about the show, kind of. we spoke earlier today. >> nikolaj coster-waldau, welcome to the program. >> thank you so much, joshua. great to be here.
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>> tell me about what it is in the natural environment that you are most concerned about that led you to create is documentary? i am looking at where you are now and how beautiful it is behind you so i can imagine it's very important to you. >> it is. i have to say the reason i went outside is because the connection was so bad, and it's not because of the bird song, but yeah, i am in my summer house and i am on the island of denmark, and the reason we wanted to do this documentary in greenland was it actually started a couple years before that, we did a thing about climate change where they udp wanted to trace the receding glaciers, and we did it with google maps and then we did this
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five-part series that will air in the u.s., and it's fascinating to see how you can -- i mean, we talk about climate change and the consequences all the time. it's difficult to really notice it because it -- it takes years and decades for the impact, but when you go to greenland and you watch the glacier and you see the ice cap, you can see year by year how the ice is melting. obviously all that water, which is frozen, we would like it to stay frozen for as long as possible because it will have severe consequences once it's -- all the coastal areas around the world, it's where we all like to live -- >> there's a clip in the series since you brought up greenland where you talked about what would happen if the ice in greenland were to melt. let's take a look. >> when the climate changed in the past, it didn't have all the coastal cities, and we have put a lot of our lives, our
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livelihoods and infrastructure into harm's way, so to speak, and it's not 5 to 12 anymore, it's like 3 seconds to 12. >> so it's not just a matter of what happens over in greenland. it sounds like, nikolaj, what you are trying to do is make it clear to the world how the entire world affects everybody else? >> of course. we are all connected and we know that. i think if there's one thing we have learned from this past year with this horrific pandemic is that, you know, we are in this together and it's -- when i looked at this thing last year, it was like a test run, like we have had a dress rehearsal on a global catastrophe, and we have dealt with it well and come together globally and i hope moving forward that will happen also when it comes to climate change and take action.
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i know on earth day there's a massive climate summit with 60 world leaders and -- which is so great, and also the -- i think, i mean, politicians can make every issue partisan but we are getting to a point where everybody agrees we have to take action, and it seems that -- i mean, for me personally, i find it so wonderful that your country, the u.s., is now back in the driver's seat when it comes to addressing these issues. >> one of the big images we have in terms of what climate change looks like is melting ice. you spent time camping on the ice to illustrate what we are talking about. let's take a look at that. >> at that. >>
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. >> i find that so fascinating that people say if you don't believe it, look at the photos yourself, and for some reason i feel it doesn't penetrate with some folks and even with all the evidence they don't want to accept it for reasons that i am guessing are less logical and more emotional, that there's some kind of like sub plot to why people remain at least vocally unwilling to accept the evidence. what do you think? how do you see it? >> well, i think there's a lot of fear, fear of the unknown and then fear of change.
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i think there's a fear that, you know, will this take away some of my quality of life -- does this mean we have to go back and live like we did in the stone age? stuff like that. and, of course, i think there's mistrust that we have seen all over the world through authority, but as you said yourself, this -- you can be objective about this and look at -- look at the photos and images. if you can go into google earth, look at the glaciers, they are receding and it's not something anybody made up. the truth is it's going to affect all of us. it really is not a political issue. this is just about, you know, the future of our earth. of course, climate change is a massive part of that. also just the way that we consume and the way that we harvest resources of the planet,
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which we have to reverse and find new ways. by the way, that was -- many camping on the ice cap was incredible. it was a little cold, and i was sleeping on this air mattress and for some reason it lost the air overnight, so i was literally half frozen when i woke up, but it was worth it. you know, you should try it. >> just a little cold i can deal with, but ice, we'll talk about that. before i let you go i have to ask you about something else, in an indirect way. it occurs to me that if we don't do something about climate change, one of our last records of how some parts of the world look oddly enough would be some of your work on "game of thrones," because "game of thrones" filmed in beautiful parts of the world and they had to find the beautiful vistas and landscapes to do some of the principle photography for the series, and if we don't do something about climate change
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in a weird way the last series could be one of the last pictures of what a world on the edge of climate change looks like. that's got to be a weird feeling for you as a performer for the series that is celebrating its tenth anniversary that meant so much to so many people, that you may have had one of the last looks at one of the beautiful parts of the world? >> yeah, i think when you are talking about here is what is so difficult when we talk about the issues, and it's not like, well, people go when is it going to happen when this climate change? it's knowing today, and i'm freezing and climate change clearly is not happening, and the fact is it takes years and years and years. the ice is not going to melt in ten years' time in greenland, but let's have a look at 100 years' time, and "game of thrones" obviously had one -- one thing that i thought was important, and it's just the basic concept of, hey, let's
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just come together and deal with this issue. yeah, we can fight about all of these things, but there's a bigger threat there, you know, than our local little disputes and i think that's the take away for me. >> see, i found a way to ask you a "game of thrones" questions without -- >> yeah, you did it in a cool way and i am impressed. >> thank you, proud of myself. the series is called "greenland," you can find it on line and through a number of devices. nikolaj coster-waldau, it's been a pleasure. thank you very much. >> thank you very much, joshua. have a great day. up next, president biden's infrastructure plan faces tough negotiations. we will learn tools of the trade from chris voss, and he talks us through political gridlock when we come back. ensure high prote.
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tomorrow president biden will meet with a group of bipartisan lawmakers to discuss his $2 trillion infrastructure plan. the senate is split down the middle so the negotiations are key. a filibuster would require at least 60 votes to move forward on legislation so either all 50 democrats would have to change the filibuster or ten republicans would have to agree with democrats. that may look passing the legislation seem possible. the threat of a filibuster is holding congress hostage, and that always felt like hyperbole. the opponent is not the kidnapper but the situation itself, and the techniques that save lives could help save our politics. joining us now is chris voss, the former lead international kidnapping negotiator for the fbi. today he is the ceo and founder
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of the black swan group. mr. voss, good evening. welcome. >> thanks very much. happy to be here. i like the analogies you are using. good stuff. >> i watched your master class and as soon as i finished watching i thought i got to book this guy, because what you were talking about is fascinating in the techniques of saving lives and if you can save lives you can save congress what is the first thing people think they know about negotiation but don't? >> most people look negotiations as making an argument, and reagan used to say if you are explaining you are using, so it feels good to make an argument but it didn't do any good with the other side. >> there's a concept called tactical empathy? >> well, empathy is
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demonstrating and understanding the other side's position so they actually feel good about collaborating with you. people love it when you show them you understand, and they actually bond to you in a crazy sort of a way. we put the world tactical in front of it because now that we know about neuro science and if somebody is afraid, the best way to get their fears to go away is to call them out, not accuse them or deny them. that's kind of a neuro science tactical move to make, and so that's what we teach people to start with, with the negative feelings on the other side of this and don't deny them, just point them out. >> when you talk about empathy, you are talking about understanding and not necessarily agreement, right? >> nice. i'm glad you put a fine point on that, because in today's terminology empathy is something you only have with people you agree with. well, it's not agreement and it's not compassion, but it's a compassionate and good thing to do and could lead the other side
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to agree with you, but it's not agreement but it's demonstrating understanding where they are coming from. >> you talk about the kinds of tones of voice to use when you are trying to negotiate. i imagine those tones are different than what we saw with a house hearing with dr. anthony fauci on wednesday. here's one moment from that intense hearing. >> mr. chairman, mr. chairman, i don't want you to answer my question. the american people want dr. fauci to answer -- >> your time has expired, sir. >> you need to respect the chair and shut your mouth. >> that might feel satisfying but it's the opposite of what you describe as the late-night fm deejay joyce, a calm and cool voice. how important is tone in negotiating? >> yeah, it's a magic trip. it's a jedi mine trick, because your tone of voice causes
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chemical changes in the brain, and the late-night fm deejay calms people down, and when they are angry the tone of voice we are using like in the committee hearing -- was that a committee hearing -- >> yes. >> but you make a great point. if you are using a tone of voice and you can just taste how good it's going to feel to say that, in that tone, it's wrong, because you are going to love it and the other guy is going to feel that slap in the face, which guarantees they will not collaborate. >> when do you know as a negotiator, not necessarily what a hostage negotiator, that's a different situation, but when do you know in the negotiation, when it's time to walk away? i know people that have given up because those people are unreachable and they are too deep down a rabbit hole, crew
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them, let's just plow ahead and make the country a better place without those people. is there a point in which you know there's nothing to talk about and it's time to walk away? >> yeah, you know, that's a hard thing to do especially in the negotiations, and we're in this together so walking away is really hard. the big shift is what can you say that is going to appeal to the other side's supporters. you know, the crowd cheering them on will have the most influence and a lot of times the secondary crowd is the most important crowd, so what can you say that will appeal to the undecided? maybe the other person doesn't feel as attacked or kind of moved, but it makes them think and it makes them think about what the people that they like, how they are going to react, and it's hard to walk away entirely from any negotiation. many times just silence for a long enough period of time until the other side is willing enough to come back to the table is the best move.
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>> i'm low on time. 2% of biden and trump supporters say the other side understands them very well and there are two techniques you talk about i think are useful with this, and labeling and mirroring. before i have to let you go, explain mirroring and labeling? >> mirroring is repeating the last two or three words somebody just said, and it's effective and nobody thinks it will work except i find somebody that wants to really get inside of somebody is mirroring, and so label something hanging a label on the dynamics of what you are hearing from the other side, and it sounds like you are upset with me, and those is an example of labeling. >> i hope now is the way we can begin to rethink and the way we
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are talking with one another, and so i think there's a lot of room for us to improve. i appreciate you helping us rethink a few things in the way we talk to one another. chris voss, what a pleasure to talk to you. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me on. negotiation can be tough when the cops pull you over. traffic stops are increasingly controversial, especially after deadly encounters with black drivers. the anatomy of a traffic stop, next. tide? tide cleans better in cold than the bargain brand in hot. so, mr. t can wash his hanes tees in cold. that's true mr. t. i pity the fool who don't turn to cold. ahh. when you buy this plant at walmart, they can buy more plants from metrolina greenhouses so abe and art can grow more plants. so they can hire vilma... and wendy... and me. so, more people can go to work. so, more days can start with kisses.
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origin of that claim. last year police officers killed more than 1,100 people. 121 of those deaths came after a traffic stop, and that's according to campaign zero, an anti-police violence advocacy group. what decisions do officers make when they pull you over. nbc analyst danny cevallos takes us into the traffic stop. >> we are often talking about the end of the encounter, the knee in the back of the neck, an officer shooting a suspect either intentionally or unintentionally, but really what we should be talking about is the reason for the encounter in the first place. every one of these fatalities in police excessive force cases begins with a police/citizen encounter. and the amount of evidence required for that first encounter is so low, so low where if there's bias it can creep in. many phreut citizen encounters
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begin in motor vehicles with an initial traffic stop, and a traffic violation can be a million different things and at least one state air freshers hanginging from year rear view mirror is enough for police to pull somebody over. no police officer wants to be the one that is known for only giving tickets out for air freshers on rear view mirrors. once police see that they have an arguable traffic violation, they have a second decision to make, is it worth pulling over this car, and from there it's easy to hopscotch on to a search of the car and then possibly a search of the trunk, and the supreme court essentially said even if a police officer pulls over 100% black drivers as long as each of those black drivers had a legitimate traffic
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violation, then the traffic stops are legal and that's even though we should be plainly concerned about an officer that pulls over 100% of a particular minority. studies found black drivers are far more likely to be stopped by police than white drivers, and black drivers are twice as likely to be searched as white drivers are, and according to a study by researchers from harvard's chan school of public health and those searches are less likely to yield illegal contraband than those of white drivers. in that moment where an officer has to decide whether or not to initiate a police citizen encounter, that's the moment that bias can creep in, unconsciously or consciously. if a driver thinks black drivers are likely to have more illegal
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things in their car that may factor into the decision. ultimately a lot of folks may say there ought to be a law against this but it would require a law that controls what happens in the recesses of peoples' minds >> that was nbc legal analyst danny savalas. got us thinking about what helps us embrace who we are. your stories were beyond touching. we'll share some of them before we go. we go. (vo) the subaru outback. dog tested. dog approved.
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all right. let's read some emails. last night we asked you what has helped you the most in embracing your true self. elaine writes my parents were the nurturing force that allowed me to blossom as a young black girl growing up in the 1960s and '70s in detroit. their unconditional love allowed me to climb trees and pursue a military career, all at the time were untraditional things to do. i attribute my ability to survive within a racist and sexist society, especially the military community to this early nurturing and protective coating i received as a child. my parents believed in me, so what the world thought never mattered. joseph and patrick wright, in 1979, as a 24-year-old evangelical pastor, came out as gay, leaving my church, years of deception and intense
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desperation propelled me to discover a new shame-free way of life with the support of a smart, funny, and diverse lgbtq community in long beach, my parents and the members of the metropolitan church showed me i was no longer alone, no longer lost, no longer willing to stay hidden or silent. now at the ripe age of 65, i celebrate 33 years with my partner, learning how to live and enjoy life, being of service and true to ourselves is still a process over time. 33 years. congratulations, you two. and finally, charles invoked a supreme court decision from last year. charles writes i was living in boston at the time the supreme court ruled in favor of same-sex marriage. it made something click in me. something that as a child coming of age in the '90s i was told by my own parents i could not have as a gay man, even if i did manage to survive aids. coy suddenly visualize a white picket fence, a husband and children. it was a discovery that i didn't have to marry a woman who have
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what i most dreamt of, a family. six years later i was forced to move back to my childhood hometown of tallahassee, florida, a state where being gay was still a fireable offense. it was like having to stuff 100 clowns back into the vw beetle. last year's supreme court ruling meant the doors could finally open. i immediately went online and bought a rainbow face mask to wear. it means having the freedom to embrace your true self. now to finally find that husband. we are so humbled by your stories. thank you for trusting us with them. hey, we'll see you next friday night at 7:00 eastern on the choice, the channel with the peacock app. download it from the app store or sign up for free at peacock tv.com. we're back on saturdays 8 to 10:00 and sundays 8:00 to 9:00. until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson. make it a wonderful week. good night.
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♪♪ thank you for joining us tonight for this special live coverage of the pivotal closing of the derek chauvin murder trial. the minneapolis police officer who killed george floyd. i'm ari melber, and i'll be with you live tonight for the next hour. this is the eve of closing arguments as the nation and really much of the world awaits the jury deliberation and ultimately the expectations for a verdict from the 12 jurors who have been listeni

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