ma'am? >> yes. >> is that the person you know to be maurice hall? >> yes. >> and can you just generally describe what he is wearing? >> red hat, red pants and a black and white shirt. >> that is up in the upper right-hand corner, would you agree that has the date of may 25, 2020? >> yes. >> that's the person that both you and mr. floyd had previously purchased controlled substances from? >> yes. >> now, in the january and february timeframe, were you and mr. floyd clean and free from using opioids? >> i'm sorry. can you repeat that? >> sure. in the january and february of 2020 timeframe, did you and mr. floyd -- were you clean and sober? >> january and february?

>> yes. >> we weren't really talking to each other. i wasn't around him at that time. >> so you were on the break at that point, right? >> mm-hmm. >> you reconnected sometime in march? >> yes. >> was there an incident in march that required mr. floyd to be hospitalized? >> yes. >> that was -- can you describe for the jury what that incident was? >> which date? >> in march when he was hospitalized. >> we went to the hospital a couple times in march. >> okay. he was hospitalized for a more extended period of time in march, right? >> yes. >> that's the incident i'm talking about. i understand he went once because he hurt his hand, cut his hand on glass or something. that was a shorter hospital stay? >> yes. >> but then there was an extended hospital stay in march. >> yes. >> can you describe to the jury what led up to that hospital stay? >> yes.

i went to go pick floyd up from his house that night. i was taking him to work. he wasn't feeling good. his stomach really hurt. he was doubled over in pain. just wasn't feeling well. and he said he had to go to the hospital. so i took him straight to the hospital. we went to the e.r. they were checking him out in the e.r. it was getting late. i had to get home to my son, so i left that friday night. >> did you later learn that that was due to an overdose? >> yes. >> i object, your honor. lack of personal knowledge. >> overruled. >> you spent several days with him at the hospital, correct? >> yes. >> did you learn what that -- what caused that overdose?

>> no. >> at that time, did you learn mr. floyd was taking anything other than opioids? >> no. >> you did not know that he had taken heroin at that time? >> no. >> now then in march of 2020, you got some pills, right? do you remember describing that? >> yes. >> and can you describe what those pills were like? >> physically? >> physically. >> well, they looked different to me than a normal pill. they seemed like they were thicker. >> were they uniform in their size? >> they weren't. >> did they have markings on them? >> yes, they did.

>> you and mr. floyd both had those pills? >> yes. >> and did you consume some of those pills? >> i did. >> did they have the same affect on you as they did -- as your other types of opioids you had taken in the past? >> no. >> what was the effect this time? what was different? >> usually, opioid to me is a pain reliever. it's something that is kind of relaxing, takes your pain away. the pill that time, it seemed like it was a really strong stimulant. i couldn't sleep all night. i felt very jittery. >> you felt what? >> very jittery. >> okay. so they were -- these were pills that were not bought from someone who you knew to have a

valid prescription for percocets? >> no. >> were these pills purchased from mr. hall? >> no. >> so when mr. -- was it -- were these pills before or after mr. floyd was hospitalized for his overdose? >> i don't remember. >> but you described when you picked him up that night, so you must have reconnected, because you had a little bit of a break, reconnected, and when you picked him up he was in incredible pain doubled over? >> yes. >> his stomach hurt very bad? >> yes. >> now, i want to focus our attention on your statement that you gave to the fbi. again, you have had an

opportunity to review that transcript in its entirety, right? >> yes. >> and you've had an opportunity to answer questions of the -- that the prosecution had of you regarding that statement as late as of yesterday, right? you and i have never met before, right? >> not that i believe. >> so i have not had an opportunity yet to ask you about some of the information in your statement? >> no. >> when you met with the fbi, you informed fbi agents that -- >> i'm going to object. improper form of cross examination. >> sidebar.

>> good thursday morning, everyone. craig melvin here. we have been watching and listening to day four of testimony in the trial of derek chauvin. another sidebar here underway. chauvin, the former minneapolis police officer, in the murder of george floyd. we heard more emotional testimony, this time from floyd's girlfriend, courteney ross. describe b the relationship as a fun adventure. she spent the last few minutes talking about their mutual struggle with addiction, specifically opioid addiction. it's something that chauvin's defense attorney is drilling into in this cross examination here. ross' testimony added to a week full of extremely emotional testimony, including from people who witnessed george floyd's death and listened to his cries for help, often not being able

to contain their tears on the stand as they re-visited the moment over and over again. meanwhile, on the defense side, chauvin has been sitting through all of it quiet, masked, taking notes, almost constantly. in fact, you see him right there taking notes. this is from earlier in the morning as the sidebar continues. let me bring in my panel for a little bit more insight. eddie glaud, chair -- the sidebar is over. we will get to the panel during our next break. let's listen back in now. >> thank you. >> let me back up a little bit. did you know mr. floyd to spend a lot of time with mr. maurice hall? >> i wouldn't say a lot of time. but he spent time with him, yes. >> right.

would you agree that that was kind of from time to time that he would spend time with him? >> yes. >> and you didn't like that, did you? >> excuse me, i didn't like maurice very much, no. >> would mr. floyd be honest with you when he told you that -- when he was with him? >> i'm going to object, your honor. characterization. >> that is sustained. you don't have to answer that one. >> you knew mr. floyd would purchase narcotics from mr. reese -- or maurice hall? >> know that? i speculated that.

>> do you recall the fbi agents asking you, did mr. floyd purchase controlled substances from mr. maurice hall? >> yes. >> and do you recall saying yes? >> i did say yes. but i did not see it with my own eyes. >> i'm going to object at this point. >> i'll allow it. >> the pills that were purchased in march that you described, did you know that those were purchased from mr. hall? the pills that you described in march of 2020. >> no, i didn't know. >> but those are the pills that kept you up, you said, all night, right? >> yes. >> did those pills continue to be around from march through may? >> i don't know.

>> do you recall the fbi asking whether you were getting those same pills from the same source from march to may? >> i don't recall that question. >> would it refresh your recollection to review a transcript? >> yes. >> bates 45212, page 12. >> from the beginning? >> from here down.

>> honestly, i was in such shock then, i don't even know what i mean by some of the things i said. >> there was no question. i ask that be stricken. >> you did ask a question about that statement. >> sidebar. >> another sidebar here, as the girlfriend of george floyd was asked to review a transcript from a conversation that -- an

interview with law enforcement in the weeks after his death. lawyers right now and the judge discussing an objection here while they get this sorted out. let's bring in our panel for more inside, eddie glaud, chair of the african-american studies at princeton. harry litman, former deputy assistance general, legal affairs columnist for "the l.a. time" and joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, professor at the alabama school of law. she's an msnbc contributor. the introduction ready over. the huddle is over. during our next break, we will talk. >> would you agree with me that the fbi agents asked you from march to may if you continued to purchase those pills from the same source? did they ask you that question? >> they did. >> you responded, once in a

while when we were desperate, agreed? >> that's what it says, yes. i don't recall saying that. >> i'm going to object as non-responsive. >> overruled. >> sorry. >> overruled. the answer will stay. >> mr. floyd's overdose, that was at the beginning of march of 2020, he was hospitalized march 6th, agreed? >> yes. >> he was in the hospital for 10 or 11 days? >> no, five. >> five days. when you took him to the hospital, did you notice foam coming from his mouth? >> i noticed some kind of foam building in the corners of his mouth. >> dry white substance? >> mm-hmm. yes. sorry.

>> pardon? >> move on. >> you were asked a couple of questions in terms of whether that overdose was caused by heroin. do you recall that? >> yes. >> and you said you didn't know. >> i didn't. >> do you remember telling the fbi that the overdose was from heroin? >> i was speculating. >> do you recall telling the fbi where or whom the source of that heroin was? >> once again, yes, i do remember that. but i was speculating. >> was that mr. hall? >> no. >> was that shawanda hill? >> yes. >> did you know mr. floyd to

purchase drugs from miss hill as well? >> no. >> do you recall being asked whether he purchased drugs from miss hill previously? >> i don't remember that, no. >> may i approach the witness? would it refresh your recollection to review a copy of of your transcript? >> yes. >> may i approach? >> this is to refresh your memory. there won't be a question before you at this time. he will go back and ask you a question. >> okay. thank you. >> where does it say -- it says

getting drugs from her. >> i need a previous page. >> this is to refresh your memory. there's not a question you need to answer yet. >> it says he is buying drugs from her? >> i will go back. miss ross, does that refresh your recollection? >> yes. but none of that said he was buying drugs from her. >> you were asked, do you know who the woman was that he would have gotten that from and your

response was, shawanda hill, right? >> yes. i was speculating at the time. i did not know that. >> understood. and you were asked -- you said, he liked getting drugs from her and you said, mm-hmm, correct? >> it says that in the transcript, yes. >> those same pills you ultimately got some of those same pills from march or similar pills in may of 2020, correct? >> we got pills in may that reminded me of the same feeling. i don't know if they were the same pills. i don't know where they came from. >> so you had a second experience with those pills, right? or a similar feeling to those pills? >> i had a similar experience, yes. >> that was approximately a week before mr. floyd's passing? >> yes.

>> by similar experience, do you recall telling the fbi that when you had that, you felt like you were going to die? >> i don't remember saying that. but i did see it in the transcript. >> is that how you felt, like you were going to die? >> i don't remember feeling that way, no. i didn't recall even saying that. >> you and floyd -- mr. floyd, excuse me, i'm assuming, like most coupled, had pet names for each other? >> yes. >> what was his name for you? what were you -- let me -- strike that. what were you saved in his phone as? >> mama.

>> approximately a week prior to mr. floyd's death, you and mr. floyd again purchased pills from mr. maurice hall, correct? >> i believe so. i'm not sure. >> do you recall telling the fbi that you bought pills from mr. hall one week prior to mr. floyd's death? >> yes. but i wasn't there. i wasn't there. i didn't see anything happen. >> yesterday when you met with prosecutors, did you tell them that you were in the car at a hotel? >> yes. >> when those pills were purchased? >> yes. >> and that you were on the phone with mr. floyd at that time? >> yes. >> you heard a voice in the background? >> yes. >> that was a voice you

recognized to be from mr. hall? >> i thought so, yeah. >> so between mr. hall -- excuse me, mr. floyd's hospitalization through march and the quarantining and all of that, march and april, mr. floyd had been clean during that timeframe? >> pardon me? >> i'm sorry. if you need a minute. >> that's okay. >> i want to again timeframe becomes important. >> yes. >> after mr. floyd was hospitalized in march, you were quarantining together, spending a lot of time together in march, april and may, correct? >> yes. >> for the majority of that time, mr. floyd was clean, right? >> yes. >> it was your belief that mr. floyd started using again about

two weeks prior to his death, correct? >> i noticed a change in his behavior, yes. >> that's when you noticed the changes in his behavior. and you described some of those changes in his behavior in that timeframe, right? >> yes. >> do you recall telling the fbi that there would be times that he would just be up and bouncing around and then there would be times that he would be unintelligible? >> i don't recall that. >> would you disagree if it said that in the transcript? >> i wouldn't disagree with it. >> were you aware that mr. floyd was with mr. hall on may 25th of 2020? >> only in the aftermath.

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>> i can't -- i don't know. >> fair enough. you were asked about your interview with the fbi and asked about statements you made. did the fbi, as you recall, ever ask you how did you know those drugs were from mr. hall when you told them that you thought they were from mr. hall? >> i just told them i thought that. >> the pills that we are talking about in may --

>> yes. >> i can't remember if you told me. did you see mr. floyd take any of those pills? >> yes. we took them together that time. >> i'm sorry? >> we did take them together that time. >> and when he took those, obviously, he didn't die, right? >> no, he did not. >> did you see how they affected him? >> he had a lot of energy. >> but he was okay after using them? >> yes. he was playing football, hanging out, eating, just a normal day. >> did he play a lot of basketball? >> he played basketball, too. but football was his thing. >> that's all i have, your honor. >> anything further?

>> thank you, miss ross. >> thank you. >> make sure you take your water with you. >> i think it's a good time for our 20-minute midmorning break. >> the judge announcing that the court is going to be in recess for 20 minutes. just hearing there from george floyd's girlfriend, courteney ross. defense seemed to hone in on

george floyd's drug use, his addiction. this is part of the exchange. >> in march of 2020, you got some pills, right? do you remember describing that? >> yes. >> and can you describe what those pills were like? >> like physically? >> physically. >> well, they looked different to me than a normal pill. they seemed like they were thicker. >> joyce, what did you hear there? what do you suspect the defense was trying to accomplish there? >> this is the start of the effort by the defense to attribute mr. floyd's death to

an overdose, not to the knee that was held on his neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds. something we heard here was evidence elicited by the defense that mr. floyd had foam around his mouth in this earlier incident where he was overdosing and was taken to the hospital. yesterday morning, they elicited testimony from one of the witnesses also talking about foam around his mouth on that day in may when he actually died. they will begin to try to plant the suggestion in the jury's mind that there's reasonable doubt about the former cop chauvin's complicity in floyd's death because of the overdose aspect to it. >> how effective do you think the defense has been so far? how effective was it, i should say, with specific regard to courteney ross and his cross examination of her?

>> as joyce said, they got the points out they wanted to make. in particular, they want to show this was something unusual and it really made him very intoxicated that day and gave chauvin reason to fear. in general, i have got to say, you know, it's a hard place to be. but they are being textbook ineffective in the cross, because the cross should be very focused and make two or three points and out. instead, mr. nelson seems to be sort of meandering, repeating the direct, not highlighting what he wants to say, asking a lot of open questions. his goal should be to make two or three points and sit down. instead, they're getting caught up in a cloud of revision of what the prosecution said. >> to that point, harry, i did find it odd that the defense attorney was interested in the pet names this they used to call

each other. what was accomplished by that? >> i think that was significant. he wanted the mama out because he is going to want to say when floyd is starting to be in real extreme danger and calling out, mama, it's not that he is delusional and thinking about his mother, but that he is asking about courteney ross, a real person. that's my sense of what he was trying to set up. >> eddie, in her testimony, she really seemed to let us get to know george floyd the man. she talked about his job. she talked about his faith. she talked about how he really liked basketball, but he liked football a little bit more, loved to play sports with the neighborhood kids. how important is that, professor? >> i think it's absolutely critical, craig. it humanizes george floyd.

part of what i think the prosecution is trying to suggest -- i'm not a lawyer -- is that derek chauvin didn't see the man under his knee as a human being. so this is part of the ongoing effort to give a sense of the depth and quality of george floyd's life, but not to make him a saint. in the same testimony we get a sense of the depth of his addiction, the opioid use between him and his girlfriend and the like. i also think it's important, given the questions you asked joyce earlier, that we juxtapose, to talk about this new pill with images we saw yesterday, the surveillance images we saw in cup foods. he might have been daning a bit. it didn't look like he was in the process of experiencing an overdose. it's up to the jury to juxtapose what they heard today with the images they saw yesterday. >> i want to bring back for a moment gabe gutierrez. gabe, of course, on the ground there in minneapolis from the

beginning covering this trial for us. he is outside the heavily fortified courthouse. gabe, we heard the name maurice hall in testimony there from courteney ross a couple of times. what can you tell us about mr. hall? what do we know about him? >> reporter: yeah, craig. you just heard right there from your panel that the defense, during cross examination, is trying to get at that question of drug use. maurice hall potentially could be part of the defense's strategy, or would have been. came up several times. he is the passenger inside george floyd's suv that we saw in some of the body camera footage. what's interesting about maurice hall is we learned just yesterday, his attorney filed something with the court saying that maurice hall intends to plead the fifth and he will not testify. that could potentially be a blow to the defense as the defense tries to get more of that question of floyd's drug use. we know maurice hall will plead

the fifth, will not testify. a couple of other things from that testimony we just heard from courteney ross. she also started out as a character witness and then the prosecution bringing up their struggles with opioid addiction, trying to pre-butt the defense. she talked about the grief at the death of his mother. questions whether he was calling out the name -- pet name he had for her or whether he was referring to his mother. very emotional testimony. getting into the relationship, which we didn't know a lot about between george floyd and courteney ross and their struggles with drug addiction. craig? >> i thought they humanized addiction as well. gabe, thank you. stand by for me. we may need to come back to you.

to gabe's point, the prosecution going out of its way to make this point to talk about george floyd's relationship with his mother. they asked ross how george floyd reacted after the death of his mom. here is what she said. >> floyd was what i would call a mama's boy. i could tell from the minute i met him. when he came back from houston, he seemed kind of like a shell of himself. like he was -- like he was broken. >> what did you make of that moment? >> well, it was painful. again, giving us a sense of the depth of the humanity of the man

under chauvin's knee. if you recall during interviews, during the eulogy, there was a representation of the matriarch, holding them together. this makes sense. of course, i understand what the defense is trying to do here. we need to understand this moment in which he sees his life before list eyehis eyes, he cala range of folk who are close to him in his immediate space, it seems to me. it's a stretch, i think, in this moment. but i understand what the defense is doing. she established that he was a mama's boy. i should know. i'm one, too. >> ditto. i want to bring shaquille brewster into the conversation. shaq outside the courthouse. he has been covering the trial from the beginning as well. shaq, we are restricted in terms of what we can see and what we can hear to a certain extent,

our vantage point, controlled by the pool camera. you are getting some different vantage points. i understand you can tell us a little bit about how the jury responded to this most recent witness, george floyd's girlfriend. >> reporter: craig, we are waiting for the specific accounts from the reporters in the room during this testimony. but i think one thing you noticed as she was giving her testimony, she kept glancing over. she would make eye contact with members of the jury. that worked with previous witnesses based on the accounts from reporters in the room. when we heard from donald williams, that is something he would do. he would look at the jury. that was something that a pool reporter said the jurors would nod back. they would take notes. they would be more engaged when they had that kind of eye contact. i think there were moments during her testimony where you saw there's opportunity for people to be sympathetic with her story and with george floyd's story. she talked about how she had

neck pain, how george floyd had chronic back pain and how that developed into what became an opioid epidemic or opioid addiction. she called it a classic american story. i think when you have those nuggets there -- she would look the jurors in their face. i think those are moments that are a potential for them to connect and see george floyd as a more human person but believe her and her account more. >> harry, it is perhaps easy to forget that we are not the ones who are going to decide the fate of derek chauvin. we are watching and listening to this trial. the only opinions that really matter are the opinions of those jurors in that room. to hear shaq describe the eye contact and the body language of witnesses as they interact with the jury, harry, what do you

make of that? >> believe me, it's a fact that the prosecution and the defense never forgets for one second. they always have one eye on the jury and how it's going. what i make of that is, these are well prepared witnesses. remember, everyone who has come forward so far on the prosecution side has probably met with the prosecution nine, ten times. this was the first time the defense attorney had ever even seen courteney ross. a good prosecutor tells the witness, make eye contact. not so much, but make occasional eye contact. very effective. they have done their homework. one other thing to add to shaq. what that does -- we're not simply humanizing george floyd. we are humanizing the witnesses. there's a sense of sort of team george that's emerging here, starting yet from the cup clerk who called him that, a sense that the people here are kind of

part of the recognition of him as a human being and are having sort of occasional emotional moments that really drive home their own recognition of him as a person. >> joyce, i want to come back to a point that was made at the very beginning of jury selection. it's a point that, quite frankly, i wasn't familiar with. this idea that in the state of minnesota, apparently, they don't -- prosecutors don't have to prove that officer chauvin's knee on george floyd's neck caused his death solely. they only have to prove that it contributed to his death. why is that so significant? >> well, they have to prove, craig, that what officer chauvin did was a substantial cause of george floyd's death. that's a little bit easier than proving that it's the only

cause. right? you can have contributory causes here. but this is a fine legal point that will be debated by the lawyers before they argue in closing to the jury. it will probably form an important part of the appeal that chauvin will eventually take if he is convicted at trial. it gives the prosecution a little bit more latitude here as it questions the witnesses to elicit testimony. and something that we are seeing develop here, yes, george floyd is being humanized. but a problem that every prosecutor faces when they charge an excessive force case, is that the defendant, the former police officer who is charged, will put that victim on trial. we know intellectually there's not a death penalty in america for passing a counterfeit $20 bill or being a drug addict. that's really the strategy that the defense has in mind here, is to plant in the jury's mind the

notion that the defendant in some way deserved what happened to him. it's a really terrible part of the cases. it's something the prosecution has to work hard to countermand. here, they are able to talk about floyd's drug addiction in a very human way, but also to the point of your question, they are educating the jury about the fact that even if the drugs in george floyd's system contributed in some way to his death, that importantly, he was brought back in earlier overdose situations with medical treatment, which wasn't provided here, and also ultimately, they are driving towards the testimony from the medical examiner that it was asphyxiation, the knee on george floyd's neck, that was the cause of death here. >> you also have to wonder if the paradigm shift that we have witnessed in this country with regard to the way we view addiction -- you have to wonder if that is going to affect the

jury in any sort of way, form or fashion. shaquille brewster is back with me. i understand you have what we call pool notes from inside the courtroom there, folks who are able to watch and listen closely to these interactions between the lawyers and the witnesses and the jurors and the lawyers. they provide a great deal of context and color. what do the notes tell us? >> reporter: that's right, craig. it's a quick note that we got from one of the reporters, one of the two who was in the room during that testimony. again, i think this is something that we were saying before about how we saw courteney making eye contact. the pool reporter said all of the jurors had their eyes on her as she was testifying. this pool reporter notes there was one of the jurors, a black man, had a furrowed brow.

it's hard to tell with the masks. it seems like he might be emotional. we know that over the course of the testimony, we have seen the jurors take notes. they have been taking extensive notes. sometimes referring back to notes and adding notes as the testimony would be completed. i think what you are seeing is it seemed as if she was trying to connect with the jury. it seems like with this one juror, it worked. >> it would seem as if based on the notes that we have gotten so far, regarding what's happening inside the courtroom, the jurors fully appreciate the responsibility. they are reportedly quite engaged. shaq, thank you. we may come back to you. we continue to keep a very close eye on that courtroom there in minneapolis. we expect the derek chauvin trial to get back underway soon. much more of our coverage after a quick break.

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i want to bring back nbc's gabe gutierrez. he is outside of the courthouse. on left side of your screen is the mayor. gabe, what can you tell us about what we are hearing from the police chief. >> as you know, the prosecution has released a witness list each day. we just heard from inside the courtroom that both counsel came into the courtroom where they were asked what witnesses they plan to call tomorrow. the prosecution plan to call the minneapolis police chief tomorrow. that is news. we did not know when the police chief would be called. we are also learning that the court plans to take tomorrow

afternoon off. so it looks like tomorrow will be a half day, craig. today the floyd family member inside the courtroom, and we spoke with him as he and other family members were walking to the courthouse live on msnbc. take a listen to what he had to say going into the court. >> everything is painful and agony. everything that the witnesses had to go through. their shell shock for the future. they will always have this in their mind-set, especially the minors. there is no justification why a person should put a knee and all of their weight on a man until he passed. he was tortured. you clearly saw that in the video. there is no reason he shouldn't be convicted. >> as we watch this emotional

testimony from witnesses and bystanders at the scene, the floyd family is having a difficult time watching those videos be played over and over. but again, we are learning that the minneapolis police chief is expected to testify tomorrow. >> thanks for that update on the witness list. we will hear from the chief tomorrow. sounds like the court will take a break tomorrow afternoon. the mayor we are told the mayor is talking about an increased presence of police and national guard there and also enhancing the police tip line in minneapolis over the next few weeks. this is something he has been doing every week. we will keep a close eye on the mayor.

let me put this to you, joyce. this video that we have seen so many times now, unfortunately. some of the different angles that we have seen so far, some of them for the first time, is there any risk, joyce vance, that these jurors on any level become desensitized to what they are seeing in these videos of george floyd's final moments. is there any risk in showing those too much, too often? >> i wondered about that going into this case, craig. there is a natural tendency to become immune if you see it too many times. the more we see this video, it

becomes very clear that it becomes only more painful when you watch it over and over. i think you will see emotion from the defense at some point to limit how many times it can be played if the prosecution continues to play it. and something that's important from a legal point of view is having the body camera footage yesterday afternoon and the officers authenticated the body camera footage. we see different perspective from bystander video. something that troubled me is that if you saw something only in one viewpoint, you might hear something, that george floyd posed a threat to the officer. there is never any indication of any threat or struggle he makes, that's helpful for the prosecution so they want the

jury to continue viewing the video as many times as the court permits them to play if. >> over the last few days -- it's just day four -- one of the things i continue to find quit\. >> over the last few days -- it's just day four -- one of the t. >> over the last few days -- it's just day four -- one of the things i continue to find quite. >> over the last few days -- it's just day four -- one of the . >> over the last few days -- it's just day four -- one of the . >> over the last few days -- it's just day four -- one of the t. >> over the last few days -- it's just day four -- one of the things i continue to find quite striking is the bystanders. they feel at some level they let george floyd down. we know there was not a lot more they could have done, but they all feel like, in terms of their testimony, this is an opportunity to try and square it in some way. do you get that sense, professor? >> absolutely. trauma dripped from the witness stand yesterday.

we saw not only guilt, from the 9-year-old to the teenage woman, to the girl who filmed, to the old man. he broke down, i broke down. what we see over and over again are ordinary people witnessing over and over again that the cops are doing something they shouldn't be doing. if that's an unruly crowd, they need to come to new york and new jersey. if that was an unruly crowd, what do we do in new york where we live. it was such an element among those who witnessed this horrific act. >> we will be seeing you over

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good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. we are continuing our coverage of the derek chauvin murder trial. today we heard from a woman who had a relationship with george floyd for three years. she admitted on the stand that she and george floyd were addicted to opiates on and off throughout their relationship. >> was mr. floyd active physically? >> yes, he was very active. >> what do you mean by that? what types of things did you see him doing?

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