that is our show for today. thank you for watching. a.m. joy will be back next saturday, 10:00 a.m. eastern with joy reed back in this chair. up next, alex witt has the latest. >> i've loved having you. i'll be happy to have my friend joy back as well, but you made makeup deal with my tears when you talked about who won the week. that was extraordinary. >> a lot of good people in this country. we should never forget that. >> yes. a good day to all of you from right here in msnbc head quarters in new york. it's high noon in the east. welcome to weekends with alex witt. talk show sunday with team trump doing a full court press on the economy. the message, nothing to see here. a new poll just released shows one candidate surging. should biden be worried? inside into miller's

influence in the key issue. and greenland is back into the headlines because of one thing a white house adviser said a short time ago. new today, the white house insisting economy is in great shape. this morning the president's two top economic advisers appearing on every sunday talk show. their message? do not listen to warnings the economy may be slowing. their mission, to calm wall street and the public after a tumultuous week in the markets. >> i don't see a recession at all. i sure don't see a recession. >> there's no evidence whatsoever that american consumers are bearing any of this. >> we're doing pretty darn well in my judgment. let's not be afraid of optimism. we should not be afraid of optimism. money is flowing into the united states. we're the hottest, really the only game in town. >> we are winning. >> but this week the american farm bureau federation warning that in the last year china has

bought $1.3 billion less in u.s. farm products and a new nbc news wall street journal poll shows the president's approval rating is around 34%. and his gun control activists across this country take to the streets. 89% of the voters support background checks. 76% favor red flag laws. 62% support banning semi automatic weapons. a look at stephen miller in the washington post. the post interviewing hum along with 22 and current administration officials. one official says president trump has superficial noknowled of how the presidential system works and he relies on miller to explain and interpret it for him. miller is among few officials who continue to defend the separation of migrant families

while some of the administration fret over images of inhumane detention centers at the border. miller argued they too are 'ter deterrent. because the man credited with the hard line policies have racist views? miller says not me. >> anybody who says that is an ignorant fool, a liar, and a reprobate who has no place in civilized society. it is a scurrilous and scandalous lie born of a complete and total lack of understanding of the harms done by uncontrolled migration to people of all backgrounds and born of a contempt for this nation, for our law enforcement officers and the citizens who

live here. >> okay. mike is following the president in new jersey. ni mike, let's focus on the economic narrative out of the white house. they're trying to take control of that. what's the message? >> reporter: well, there's a great deal of concern. an inverted yield curve. we've heard about that in the past few days. trade war with china that shows no signs of abating. a gyrating stock market where life savings on a roller coaster and slowing growth worldwide including among america's closest allies and closest economic rivals like china and germany. so what do we have? we have the administration, two advisers kudlow and navarro appearing on every one of the five of the sunday news shows to spread the message and as you report, their message is nothing to see here. the fundamentals of the u.s. economy are strong, but you'd better believe that the president and the white house,

this president on down, they are very concerned about the economic situation and the possibility of a slowdown, and a delayed effect that could start to peak right around november 20th. conventional wisdom in politics, it's the economy, stupid. the phrase made famous in the 1992 presidential campaign. a lot hinges on the economy, the fortunes of any politician, anybody who occupies the white house. and so the white house is very concerned and yet, they say the fundamentals are strong. nothing to worry about here at all. alex? >> okay. well, we will have a discussion on that going forward. thank you very much for the setup, mike. joining me now jeff mason and laura basset. welcome to you both. jeff, you first in terms of what you make of the messaging coming out of the white house, what it tells us about how seriously the president is taking reports of an economic downturn. >> well, to me it says they're

concerned. i don't think you put all those people on the sunday shows with that message and that very distinct message unless you really want to get across that they don't see the economy as being a risk, and they want to tamp down the discussion about that. but mike is right to say that there's a reason the stock market dropped as much as it did last week. the u.s. economy is interconnected with the rest of the world economy. it may doing well. it is. kudlow's statistics aren't wrong when he talks about the good figures from walmart last week and when he talks about unemployment. that's all true, but we are interconnected with the rest of the world, and other economies such as germany and china are suffering from this trade war, and that will have an impact or could have an impact on the united states. the other thing i would throw out is when navarro made a point of saying the trade war, he doesn't believe is affecting consumers. well, they undercut that argument when the president made the decision last week to delay

for a few months the imposition of the next round of tariffs, 10% tariffs from china. that was an admission. it could effect consumers and they were worried it would effect christmas an and holiday shopping in december. >> laura, picking up on jeff's point of global interconnectivi interconnectivi interconnectivity here, how big is it for them to go after the president on trade. . >> i think it leaves a huge opening for democrats. it's not just the trade war being blamed for the potential recession. also the tax cuts which he claimed were going to boost the economy. it was an artificial boost. it's not working. those two policies are going to be blamed for the recession if it happens. and the timing for trump is really bad with it right around the election. i think that his entire reelection hinges on how well

the economy is doing, frankly. and so certainly democrats are not necessarily hoping for a recession, but understanding that it would be really great for them politically. >> okay. let's look at new poll numbers, get your reaction. the new wall street journal poll was taken before wednesday's stock market tumble. it has the president's approval rating dipping to 43 %. not moving more than a couple points month to month. how concern second down the white house about losing the base if the economy falters? >> i think if anything, this white house has shown the base is extremely important. and the president has shown this base is his base is extremely important to him. i don't think they're super worried about that. i think you're right to ask the question. that is something that even people who aren't necessarily part of president trump's traditional base but who voted for him because they support his social policies, his economic policies, but maybe hold their nose a little bit about some of the rhetoric, those are the voters and some of those may

have been voters who voted for barack obama as well. and switched to trump who could flee if the economy does not stand up in the same way it has for the last 2 1/2 years. i think they have an eye very closely on the base. this white house often dismisses polls, but i'm sure they're watching them closely and i'm sure this is something that they'll be thinking about both here at the white house and at president trump's campaign head quarters not far from here. >> and this poll, the 2020 candidates, it shows biden's popularity has declined from 54% to 34%. what is he doing wrong? is it a concern to democrats who think he is the best hope to beat trump? >> i think that what's going on is it's easier for someone to be popular when they're not running for president. i think we often see this with candidates, people enjoy sort of everybody feels fine about them, and then suddenly they're

potentially going to sit in the oval office and that changes things a little bit. i do think biden instead of rolling out policies and acting the way the other candidates are, working hard to explain what exactly he's for, is kind of leaning a lot on his record in the obama administration. when he was just vice president and wasn't really doing much. and i think people are starting to catch onto that. i also think he has a strategy of embracing republicans. he just said a couple days ago there's a lot of good republicans out there. he has praised his ability to work with republicans across the aisle. and i think the democratic base is really angry at republicans right now, and not understanding why biden isn't more angry at them after mitch mcconnell basically thwarted obama's agenda for eight years. i think maybe he's faltering on strategy here. >> okay. let's talk about miller relative to the washington post piece and start with jeff given your position at the white house. with regard to how accurate this

portrayal is of stephen miller and his roll, the influence he has over the president's immigration policies. how do you read it? >> well, i think it's been clear. i think it is clear that stephen miller has an influence with regard to immigration. he's been a key driver of not only the policy itself but the way it's presented. and that is rooted in his background as a communications person, and it was interesting to read that story just to talk -- just to see how he believes in these policies. i don't think that's a surprise, but it was certainly interesting to hear from him. and alex, if i can go back to the previous topic briefly on biden. i would disagree just slightly with my colleague about saying that the vice president wasn't do much when he was vice president. i think that poll is a reflection, and i agree with this, that when you're in the public sphere now running for president, it changes a little bit. but -- and people may call him

out on some of the aspects of obama/biden record, but he was doing a lot in the house behind me. >> and the fact is when you're getting attacked or at least put under the microscope by your fellow democrats running against you, that's tough to weather that without having an effect in the numbers. stay with us. the article on the washington post on stephen miller, laura, with you, it reports miller is among few administration officials who continue to defend separation of migrant families. why does the president favor miller's views even though they're not favored by the majority of other administration officials and frankly, from critics? >> that's a really great question. why does stephen miller have so much sway over the president? he's only 33 years old. he's barely a decade out of college. he has a fancy degree, but essentially holds the same views as a lot of these really fringe fortune trolls. these guys you find on internet

forums, and this is not a view that's held by the mainstream and certainly some of his policies are downright cruel. stephen miller didn't want migrant children to be able to enroll in u.s. public schools. i mean, why? it's almost cruel. so the fact that trump is listening to him so hard, obviously he thinks that stephen miller had a hand in getting him elected and that miller is able to whisper to some of the people in the midwest or in the middle of the country that are a little bit afraid of immigration. i don't know. but i don't think it's a smart policy on his part. >> okay. got to have one more point here on greenland and i'll ask you this, jeff. larry kudlow was asked about this idea. the president wants to purchase greenland. here's what he said. >> this is an interesting story. it's developing. we're looking at it. we don't know. years ago harry truman wanted to buy greenland. denmark owns greenland. denmark is an ally. greenland is a strategic place

up there, and they got a lot of valuable minerals. i don't want to predict an outcome. i'm just saying the president who knows a thing or two about buying real estate wants to take a look at -- >> what is there to take a look at? because denmark has said it's not for sale. what's the white house doing here? >> ding, ding, ding. greenland has said it's not for sale. i'm smiling because sometimes a story like this would come out and the white house would shoot it down. larry kudlow confirmed this is something the president is interested in and they're looking at. what does looking at mean? the president is going to copenhagen in a few weeks. so perhaps he'll bring it up with leaders in denmark when he's there? but i think greenland's comment about not being for sale sort of makes it as clear as it needs to be that though they may be talking about it at the white

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wedding party overnight. at least 63 people yincluding women and children were killed. another 182 people of about 1200 guests were injured. the islamic state's affiliate claims responsibility. the taliban was quick to condemn the attack. a sea of umbrella carrying protesters marched in hong kong. protest demonstrations are a regular weekend activity. more than 100,000 people took over a park in the 11th straight weekend of anti-government protests over a now suspended extradition bill. china has built up security forces calling the protests terrorist activity. activists and protesters have clashed. so far it's been peaceful. yesterday activists demanded action in cities like austin, texas. joining me now a democrat from

texas. congressman, i know you were at the austin rally. you had a call for military style assault weapons. our new poll found 62% of voters support that. is it easier to support that ban in we'll call left-leaning austin than in other parts of right-leaning texas where gun advocates are less likely to support the ban. >> i think most texans recognize the weapons of war are for killing other human beings. yes, we have a gun culture in texas. i grew up in deer hunting, dove hunting. if you use an assault weapon, you obliterate the animal. i believe that the only thing standing between us and a ban on these weapons of war is mitch mcconnell who is also -- has also earned his time that he's boasted of the grim reaper in blocking our universal background check bill.

it's time for the senate to end the blockade and for him to give his colleagues an opportunity to vote and debate on these measures. >> the president seems to be abandoning his support for background checks now. instead he's linking gun violence to mental illness, and it's being echoed by joni ernst of iowa, a poll in february found that her approval rating among iowans has hit a new high at 57%. listen to what she said yesterday and how the crowd reacted. >> a lot of the incidents that we see do come back to mental illness. [ crowd yelling ] >> we need to make sure that those who are showing signs of instability are able to receive treatment. we are short counselors. we are short psychologists.

>> your congress people need to take action. >> so, yeah, she's popular in iowa but they did not take to that link there. what are your constituents saying? >> well, they share the concern of the audience there in iowa that it's time for congress to do something. you know, there's really a sad pattern here, alex. it's followed almost every incident that if they can delay long enough, they hope the american people will be distracted by the next silly thing that donald trump does. or by some international event or tragedy elsewhere and that people will lose focus and they can avoid doing anything meaningful. i believe they envision delaying this well into september and then trying to take the least possible action, because sadly, like our texas state republican government, under mitch mcconnell, the nra seems to control the senate lock stock and barrel. >> i got to tell you, what you just said there, 100% true.

i share that frustration. the fact that everything pivots and they do anything they can to stop talking about gun control in this country. i do want to talk to the economy here with you. >> sure. >> we heard two top white house economiced a voi sors insisting the economy is going well and the tariffs are not hurting the committee. i know you were on the budget committee house ways and means. what is your take? >> look at this past week and the master of distraction, donald trump. the stock market falls 800 points. he attacks two members of congress. the bond market is sending signals that suggest the possibility of recession. he's focussed on how big his crowds are. i don't believe that donald trump has a plan for our economy any more than he has a plan for health care or a plan to denuclearize north carolina. all he has is a blame game. let's blame someone else and change the subject. the nearest he has to a plan is

easy to win trade wars which are hurting us, and his tax cut which i strongly opposed, because it was just a gift to multinational corporations and the very rich portion of our society including his own family, and it's not worked. it provided a sugar high, but now we're burdened with debt that will slow our ability to move forward. if there is a recession, we will be limited in having a the tools that we need in order to combat it. >> texas congressman, thank you for the conversation. >> thank you. >> i look forward to our next one. bernie sanders is about to unveil a plan to try to court african american support. what is it, and why it may strike a cord. that's next. that's next.

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on the agenda for voters there. >> this is the raw power of the nra here in the state of new hampshire and across the country. basically republican politicians are afraid to cross them, and as a result, we're seeing assault weapons in the hands of people that shouldn't have them. >> and astro in new hampshire who pointed out the mistake that the president made on immigration. >> on day one he should have gone to the leaders of honduras and el salvador and immediately began working with them on a 2 1st century plan so people could find safety at home instead of coming to the united states. >> elizabeth warren, pete buttigieg and bernie sanders are on the trail. welcome to shaq. sanders releasing his plan for criminal justice reform. what is he proposing?

>> reporter: that's right. he is proposing a shift from an overly punitive approach to public safety. to more investments and prevention and rehabilitation. he's speaking in the room behind me to church members. he's tieing this trip to this rollout of what is a pretty much a lengthy and comprehensive criminal justice reform plan. just to get at the highlights he proposes ending for profit prisons. he wants to end cash bell and transform policing. increasing doj investigations and tracking the use of deadly force. he wants to also end mass incarceration. that includes a goal to cut the prison population in half by also addressing sentencing. criminal justice reform is snag many of the 2020 candidates talk about on the campaign trail, especially in south carolina where they target african american voters. this is a state where 60% of the

electorate will be african american voters. there's direct appeals and outreach to the voters hoping it's something to connect with them in their pitches. >> okay. thank you very much for giving us all bernie sanders' new stand. appreciate that from south carolina. taking a stand in letter of solidarity. one of them signed a letter and joins me next to talk about the message and the intended impact. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from anyone else.

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more than 200 latino writers and activists are speaking out in support of their community. they're signing a letter with the message if you're feeling terrified, heart broken and defeated by the attacks on our community, you're not alone. that letter published in the new york times and a number of spanish language papers. it's a week after the largest single state i.c.e. raid in u.s. history. nearly 700 workers detained at plants in mississippi, and just two weeks after the deadly mass shooting in el paso where that suspected gunman told police he was targeting mexicans. joining me mow, one of the women who signed the letter, janet. welcome to you. this letter is super powerful. i want to read more of what it says here. the quote, we have been smeared by political rhetoric and murdered in violent hate crimes. we have been separated from our families and have watched our

children caged. we have been targeted with mass shootings and mass i.c.e. raids meant to terrify us, squash our hope and break our spirits but we will not be broken. we will not be silenced. we will continue to denounce any hateful and inhumane treatment of our community. we will demand dignity and justice. i get chills reading that. what do you hope this letter will do for the latino community? >> we hope that it sends a strong message of solidarity, a message that our community is not alone in this moment of fear that has been created by a series of continued assaults by this administration, the trump administration, and really seen played out most recently in the most horrific way with the most deadliest attack on his tannics in our history.

so we want our community to understand yes, it's a scary time out there right now, but you're not alone. there are many, many, many leaders, individuals, celebrities, those who look like you and know your story who want you to understand that we're also with you and lifting you up in this moment. >> you wrote in the new york times in an op ed shortly after the mass shooting in el paso the violence in el paso is not about immigration policy. it's about promoting the hate, fear, and division sewn by president trump in the past three years. mr. trump has sought to paint a hateful portrait of hispanics. the question to you, what can be done to change this? is there anything this administration can do? do you expect it to do anything? >> sadly there does not seem to be any evidence that this administration is going to change its course of continued

assaults on our community, assaults both embodied in policies that are driving really division, fear, and violence, but also in the actual restrictions that we're seeing on current protections by our community. but more than anything else, we need this president to change his rhetoric which has really been divisive, demeaning, and dehumanizing of latinos and immigrant families. it doesn't seem that he's going to change his ways, but we need to remind him and those who are condoning this kind of rhetoric that there are consequences to hurtful and harmful words, and those consequences are deadly. we need to understand that hateful words have hateful kons

kwe kwenss, but now the consequences are manifesting themselves in violent acts against our community. we can't stand by and let that happen. we want our community to know they're supported in this moment. but we need republicans to speak out and leaders in the republican party to speak out against this, and reject this kind of rhetoric and these kinds of actions. >> so i'm sure you've seen the article in the washington post which gives us an inside look at some of the president's closest advisers including stephen miller who the post refers to as theed a vie vor who strips -- they say there are a few who believes he harbors racist views. miller bristled back calling anyone who labels him a racist an ignorant fool. what goes through your mind that someone so close to the

president is influencing immigration policy? >> we've seen the track record of stephen miller. this is not news to us. "the washington post" news story is not news, and interestingly enough on the same day "the new york times" has a front page story about the associations that stephen miller has had, that do reflect very racist tendencies, white nationalists, white supremist tendencies, affiliations with a a man who recently passed away but made no secret of his anti-immigrant attitude and he saw others of different colors and minorities as not worthy enough to be of this country. and very derogatory. when you associate yourself with someone like that and with organizations that have been listed as hate groups, it really doesn't leave it to mind to question all the motivation behind this, but we are focussed right now on what are the

consequences and the impact of these horrible policies that are creating separation of families? right now you have stephen miller still on record saying that he wishes we could be enforcing fully a zero tolerance policy that would not only continue to separate families on the border but with the extreme mass deportation efforts that he would like to promote that we saw sadly playing out in mississippi, separation of families occurring not just on the border now but here within the united states. in one of the poorest communities in our country, when families are merely trying to work and do jobs that are really difficult and hard to get folks to do here in this country. so we're seeing wrong-headed policies still representing the most cruellest assault on latino and immigrant families and miller is the driver of that.

we need to make sure that's exposed. and that people understand that that potential for more harm is still there as long as he's in place. >> something you are doing right now for us. janet, thank you so much. thank you. the damage done, the diplomatic fallout from israel's original decision to ban tlaib oh bar next. tlaib oh bar next. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. i wish i could shake your hand. granted. only pay for what you need.

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to be held accountable for this decision. was this a miscalculation on israel's part? >> there's no doubt that the decision to play pickup truck by responding to a tweet that would in effect instruct mr. netanyahu not to permit these two congresswomen to enter israel was a mistake. . let me add that the two congresswomen clearly has an agenda filled with mischief making as well as a determination to continue to undermine the u.s./israeli relationship. there's no clean hands here on other side. >> so then should congress take any action to cite israel if you're saying there's no clean hands on either side? >> the more responsible members of congress who care about the relationship will make sure the israeli government perhaps is held accountable. look, this doesn't last the level of cutting off aid or

undermining the security relationship, but the ambassador of israel to the united states clearly misrepresented what the israeli government was going to do, which, of course, the majority leader was quite upset about. >> navid, do you agree. are there no clean hands on either side? >> i agree. unfortunately israel was put in an impossible situation. they could either ignore the president of the united states, or piss off congress. they chose the latter. there's not a good answer. what it means me is again another as i'm sure the ambassador will agree, another example of the chaos brewing inside our country. we've had the president not make a private phone call but instead send out a tweet that shows the partisan politics royaling in our country. and he's expecting a foreign country to weigh in on partisan politics. that's what israel has been forced to do. i don't think there was a good answer for israel. i think they chose the approach of not getting -- not making the president of the united states angry. i think unfortunately that might

have an impact going forward. >> and nvid, drilling down on this further. if israel views the congresswomen as supporters of the israel boycott movement, and that they see that as a threat to the very existence, is israel's action different to say the united states denying a visa to someone it considers a threat? >> yes. i would. so when you think about terrorist watch lists and things like that, that is where one has to prove a clear nexus to terrorism. a clear threat. now, it's hard to -- look, israel has domestic laws. and i completely disagree with bds, but i think they didn't pose a threat in the traditional violent sense. but clearly they were going to cause mischoef and use it as a way to make political statements. i think israel probably m miscalculated that. if they wanted to silence it, they did the opposite by tdenyig

them entry. i don't think this is the same as -- >> ambassador, specific to congresswoman omar after the trip was tweet plans to meet wi israeli elected officials as well. why would israel object to that? >> it was so confusing because in the beginning when they essentially applied to go on this trip, which to me raises questions of why speaker pelosi and others in congress agreed in the first place instead of having them join those on their way there. they were indicating they were going to go to palestinian and east jerusalem and not to meet with representatives of the israeli establishment. had they indicated they were going to go on a trip that was even stephen. that is to view palestinian as well and talk to israelis this

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i sure see a recession despite a lot of worries. most economists on wall street towards the end of the week had been marking up their forecast. >> we're going to have a strong economy through 2020 and beyond. we do not have a yield curve inversion. all we have is a flat -- it is flat not for bad reasons but for good reasons. we have the strongest economy in the world. >> president trump's white house advisers defending the economy today. reports reveal that privately the president is alarmed over this week's mounting signs of global economic distress. republican strategist susan

delpersio and basil. welcome all three of you. he's get into it here with you. we just heard larry kudlow and peter throwing cold water on the recession looming. is there any desperation as they go on multiple shows. does it signal internal fears or signs of it? >> i think when you look at the conversation that's unfolded this week and look at what the democratic candidates on the trail are talking about talking about how this is an economy that left farmers behind. different candidates putting up proposals targeting ru ining ru america there's the belief there is a there there. an article i saw on the front cover of a newspaper in little town in kentucky that had 17,000 population, they closed a plant and lost 600 jobs. that was the front cover of a kentucky newspaper. clearly this committeconomy is

be people behind. there are trying to tell people there's no recession coming. the economy is doing great and you have the president tweeting attacks against the fed that they are undermining my economy so which one is it. >> americans are split on the president's handling of the economy. 49% approving. 46 disapproving. a 5% jump disapproval. susan, as the president makes the economy one of his, if not the key re-election issue, should these numbers be concerning for the campaign? >> of course. they should be very concerning. the only thing he has to run on is the economy. he never built the wall. he hasn't come up with a deal with chichina. he didn't come close to anything with health care. all he has is the economy. also we also saw the highest number, at 64% of american, supporting free trade which

means they are against the tariffs. that is really hurting every day workers. it will start affecting them. people in their pocketbook come in september and i think at this point trump can say everything he wants but when people feeling there's no difference in their paycheck and they are scared and they hear these headlines, that should scare the president and also another thing is that when the reasons the economy is so unstable right now and especially some of the big indicators like the dow is because donald trump is so unstable. that scares him. >> susan is touching on a bit here with a question to the psychology of everything. kudlow and navarro say there's no recession. like him or hate him they have to vote for him to keep the economy booming. talk about the effect of these messages. >> to touch on one of susan's

points about free trade. i remember bill clinton used to say america's only 4% of the world population. there's only so much we can make and sell to each other. when you hear these narratives come across about the president's tariffs sort of closing down markets, that brings a certain level of fear and anxiety to people that produce things. people that make things. when they see as they are trying to sell their product potentially overseas there are countries like china and brazil already there. what i think is what we're going to see is the president will have to find way to do the big pivot. he's been talking about how good the economy is. those are largely obama era policies that have persisted. if we end up heading into a recession, it's going to be his policies that actually have to bring us out. if there's no there there and quite frankly i don't think the

american people feel that there's enough there in his white house to be able to actually do this, then i think it's just going to deepen that anxiety. >> former president obama has taken an active interest in joe biden's campaign but he appeared to be lhesitant telling him you don't have to do this joe. do you think republicans will try to use this to drive a wedge between obama and biden in the eyes of voters considering how popular obama remains? >> i don't think it will be the trump team. who knows what donald trump can say at any rally. i think it gives strength to other democrat candidates. especially the second tier who can try to make a move on something like that. i think president obama will stay out of this primary. this news is more of a hiccup in the scheme of things. we have another debate.

that's where we'll see bernie sanders, elizabeth warren and joe biden on the debate stage. >> the times also reports relative to this whole topic that obama is hammering away at biden's campaign urging them to expand the aging inner circle. increase the number of younger aides. is he right there? are his closest advisers too old? >> i don't know if they're too old but if you like at biden's numbers among african-american, they skew much older. if you'll have a lot of voters who became active in the age of obama whether they reactivated their political advocacy or whether obama was their first vote, we're looking at a younger generation, a woke generation that wants a woke candidate. if you're not going to be in -- if there isn't an inner circle representative of that, you will lose a substantial trunk of the

electorate. that's true no matter what campaign we would be looking at. because he's african-american support does skew older, it's going to be much more important for him to do this. >> the time's reports that obama met with biden's top advisers, they say he needs to make sure he doesn't embarrass himself or damage his legacy. the obama-biden legacy is already under the microscope by the 2020 democrats. how much is at stake for obama? do you think he will play a role? this? >> i think the president will maintain a certain distance just out of respect for the people that are running. there are other people who served in the administration who are running for president. julian castro was his secretary of hud. i think the president is coming at this as someone who cares about joe biden. he has a personal relationship that's been well documented.

he's looking out for the vice president as a friend. that's one someone who cares about a human being. i think the president is right about the fact any campaign that will be successful going forward, no matter who it is, will have to have a certain type of advise that comes from an understanding of what the environment is. there's this energy from the base of the progressive side that needs to be captured and turned out to vote if they're going to beat trump in november. >> i hope one of the pieces of advice that he gave to joe biden was to make sure they wills the other candidate ons ts on the d stage to not run against him. we should not be running against the obama era agenda and policies. >> you're right. let's be clear.

whoever told any candidate to run against president obama's report should be fired from professional politics. >> agreed. >> okay. we agree. that's excellent. thank you so much. we are not just past the top of the hour on weekends with alex witt. the white house insisting the economy is in great shop. their message, do not listen to warnings the economy may be slowing. >> i don't see a recession. >> there's no evidence. >> we have done pretty well in my judgment. we should not be afraid of optimism. >> money is flowing into the united states. we're the only game in town. >> we are winning.

>> the american farm bureau warning china has bought $1.3 billion less in u.s. farm products. in a new poll out today found that the president's approval rating remains around 43%. 49 supports how he is handling the economy. 89% of those voters support background checks. 76% favor red flag laws. 62% support banning semi-automatic weapons. a revealing look at stephen miller. the post interviewed him. one official tells the post president trump has quote, superficial knowledge of how the immigration system works and the president relies heavily on miller to explain and interpret it for him. he continues to defend the separation of migrant families. quote while some in the

administration fret over images of inhumane detention centers at the border, miller argued they are a deterrent. he says his views are not racist. >> anybody who says that is an ignorant fool, a liar and a repro ba reprobate who has no place in a civilized society. it's a scurrilous lie bompb a complete and total lack of understanding of the harms done by uncontrolled migration to people of all backgrounds and born of a contempt for this nation, for our law enforce m

aufr -- enforcement officers and citizens who live here. >> the white house is pushing back big time against that concept. what's the message. >> you're right. you need look no further than the fact they did put out those two top economic advisers. they pyred on all five of the sunday morning public affairs programs. just a quick note here, a scheduling note for the president's whereabouts. the reason i'm standing here in new jersey, the president for the last ten days been nearby bedminister, new jersey. leaving today to go back to the white house to get back to work in washington. it's quite possible that we will hear directly from the president in just a few hours. meanwhile, the economy, nothing to see here is the message from these top economic advisers at the white house even though we're told there's great deal of anxiety from within the white house about the direction the economy appears to be taking.

we have heard a lot about the inverted yield curve, the trade wars from all indications are taking their toll on the economy. the gyrating stock market. a lot of apgsty about people's savings, their 401(k)s and growth is slowing world wide. however, we did see the president's advisers. they say there's nothing to worry about. the tenfundamentals are strong. >> i don't see a recession at all. we have blow out retail sales. consumers are working. the employment numbers are terrific. second of all they are working at much higher wages. third of all, they are spending and fourth of all they are saving even while they are spending. that's about as good as it gets.

>> we did not have a yield curve inversion. >> economists after economists says you're not being straight with the american people on who is bearing the burden och these tariffs. why are all these people lying and you're telling the truth? >> all i would say to you is look at the data. there's no evidence. no evidence. the american consumers -- there's no evidence that american consumers are bearing any of it. >> reporter: it might bear noting that larry kudlow during the last recession just months before it started in 2008 said he saw no signs of recession. he was hit by that with chuck todd today. he said he missed it but he corrected it soon afterthat. a couple of other quick notes. the politics you can't avoid it. it's the economy stupid. that catch phrase made famous in 1992. the fortunes of the president, his political fortunes may hinge

on how well the economy does or how poorly the economy does over the course of the next coming months. >> okay. thank you very much. joining me john harwood. welcome to the two of you. what do you make of the message from the white house in. >> they are on defense for a reason which is that business executives are increasingly nervous. they are with holding investment. the tax cut is not stimulated. the business investment and manufacturing in the way that the white house claimed it was going as mike just indicated, the rest of the world is slowing down. we have a u.s. economy that's not in recession. it's continuing to grow and that's a good thing. it's growing now at the same rates it was growing when barack obama was president that republicans used to complain was pathetically weak. we had a brief surge of growth

in 2018 because the deficit increased and that spurred demand. we have an economy that's now returned to its previous trend. the expansion is almost ten years old. expansions don't go on for ever. we will have a recession. we don't know when. they think there's a decent chance that it happens beginning in 2020. that's going to be bad for the president but for now they are trying to talk up the performance of the economy to deflect blame at the president's trade war which is not helping. >> john, can i put you on the spot and ask you what you think given your experience reporting. where do you think we stand in terms of when a recession could hit? >> i know less than all these forecasters who i talked to.

the chances are greater than 50% that we have a recession that begins at some point in calendar 2020. i don't believe we're in recession or entering one at this moment. looks like we're headed for 2% growth for the rest of this year. the important thing is the long term path is back where it was. at some point the cycle will turn down. it's possible the trade war is going to cause that to happen because the more you inject uncertainty and static into a weakening global economy, the more the chance that will bounce back on the united states. >> okay. thank you for that. there's a new poll showing that 43% but does he risk losing that base if the economy faulters.

>> elections can be won and lost on the economy. it's a truism that's been stated over and over again for a reason. interestingly enough we had a pretty strong economy on many respects going into the 2016 election. we still had a party switch in the white house which sort of defied a bit of expectations. you see democrats running against a president with a strong economy at this moment thinking there are more i understand indicators and perhaps unseat an incumbent even with the strong economy. if the economy were to take a nose dive or even contract to the point that americans could feel it, it would undercut the president's re-election message and could be difficult to kpanl against. if that starts to slip then you

see a much more vulnerable incumbent situation. >> good point. >> i want to interject one thing to correct something that larry kudlow said in the clip you just played that wages were much higher for workers. that's just not true. if you look at what happened in 2018, wages did grow at a rate of around 3%. that's good. that's better than it has been the year before. however, after inflation the wages went up about 1.2% for the average workers. that's better than going down. >> you tweeted another poll and this was regarding gun ownership in american households of an nbc poll that we did. what stood out to you on that? >> on guns, you've got a situation where we showed a higher proportion of americans saying they own a gun. 42% say their household include someone with guns but you had a high level of support for, as

you mentioned, background check, red flag law, assault weapons ban. you had lower support than we have seen in the past for a hand gun ban. so much of this reflects the partisan divide in the country. you have half of the american people say they worry that congress would go too far in regulating guns even while they support some of those measures we mention. when you look at who owns guns, that explains some of the partisan split. the most likely people in the yi united states to own guns were evangelical christian, republicans and white men. the least likely were african-american, democrats and women college graduates. >> got do you about greenland. larry kudlow confirmed the president is weighing the possibility of buying greenland. here is what he said. >> it's an interesting story. it's developing. we're looking at it. we don't know.

years ago harry truman wanted to buy it. denmark owns greenland. they are an ally. gre greenland is a strategic place. they have a lot of valuable minerals. i'm saying the president who knows a thing or two about buying real estate wants to take a look. >> i don't get what they are looking at because denmark owns greenland and they said not for sale. what's happening here? >> step back for a minute and think about how president trump approaches the presidency. he is always concerned with legacy, concerned with optics. the way his presidency will be remembered. he wants to feel like one of these great presidents in american history and when you look at some of the moments that have earned presidents in history sort of their place, it's purchasing land for the united states. it's growing the borders.

it's these big swing type things. it's perhaps not surprising that when you combine a man who has spent most of his life in real estate, closing deals with someone who is constantly thinking how can i sort of make a legacy dent for the future that he would consider something like this. you could argue there are strategic reasons to look into buying greenland but it seems much more a matter of how do i make my stamp on america in president trump's mind than perhaps a dollars and sense calculation. >> this idea of buying greenland is on far with something i'm considering right now. just beginning to explore which is eating the camera i'm looking into for lunch. i haven't decided if i'm going to do that but i think that's about as likely as the fact the united states will end up with greenland. >> oh, my gosh. okay. please don't eat the camera. that was pretty good. a good way to end this. thank you so much. the president's immigration

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understanding of the harms done by uncontrolled migration to people of all backgrounds and born of a contempt for this nation. oftentimes i might add, born of a personal grudge of this administration. >> stephen miller responded to claims he has racist views. the claims made after administration policy of separating children from their parents at the border met with critics from both sides of the political islaisle. that was of big interest to my next guest calling him trump's immigration whisperer. welcome back. nice to see you. >> thank you. >> i'm curious your interpretation on this piece of his role in the white house and

specifically with immigration. >> it reminded me of sort of a new rasputin. this 33-year-old who has the ear of the president and he has single handedly manage to gut the department of homeland security, the leadership of i.c.e., increasing deportations. thousands of families separated at the border. wanting to cut legal immigration in half and wanting to cut refugees from 110,000 to 30,000 or less in is radical departure from the yiet and notunited sta. he's not a good influence on the president and he's a dangerous force to be reckoned with in the white house. >> can you figure out how he's gained so much and remaining a top adviser on this ?

>> i think miller reads the president accurately. he plays to his prejudices. trump doesn't need miller to be bigoted. those are his natural instincts. >> we heard miller explain where he is not a racist. he says those who accuse him of that are ignorant fools. they have no place in society. i know you wanted to learn what he quote has in his head, specifically relative to the zero tolerance policy. what's your take on his denial as not being racist and how do you learn what's in his head in. >> i have no really learned what's in his head and i don't know if he's a racist. i'm not going to ascribe that kind of motivation. i will say that given the racist over tones of this white house and out right racist sentiments expressed by the president miller is an enabler of racist policies that have a terrible

affect on tens of thousands of residents in the united states and stokes fear in immigrant communities all across the country. >> part of the reason you may not know what's inside his head is back in april the white house blocked miller before testifying. you said that was a big risk for those who defied the subpoena. >> anyone who defies a suspect by the congress of the united states put himself or herself in enormous legal peril. that can include fines, contempt of congress, civil pursuit in courts of law and possible incarceration. >> here we are. four months later miller has not testified. why has he not appeared? where do things stand with that and is your committee any closer to hearing from him ? >> we are not closer.

i feel congress needs to subpoe. we can't just rely on a third branch, the judiciary to enforce subpoenas. we have the power of inherent contempt to compel testimony. it's a legitimate function of government. mr. miller needs to account for himself. if he won't voluntarily come ply then we need to seek compulsion. >> let's turn to gun control. there's a new poll which found that a full 89% of americans are in favor of background check expansions but a bill has yet to be passed. the president shifted his tones back to his mental illness reform claims. let's listen. >> we are working hard to make sure we keep guns out of the hands of insane people and those who are mentally sick and shouldn't have guns. it's not the gun that pulls the

trigger. it's the person holding the gun. >> i've said the president is parroting a talking point from the nra. is this just another mass shooting, a double mass shooting that will be passed over again and nothing will happen. ever time there's a mass shooting there are try krocries stricter gun laws and nothing happens. when do you think something will be done? >> the house in february passed legislation and it's waited for seven months at moscow mitch desk. public perception has shifted on guns with massacre after massacre changing minds and repealing people about the

madness of nra. i think we are going to prevail. i think there will be some elections that will be very c conseque cons consequential. i would watch those elections very carefully because gun control will be front and center in terms of the political contention this november in my state of virginia. >> always good to speak with you. thank you so much. >> great to be with you. a special edition of the new york times magazine is out today pegged to the 400th anniversary of the beginning of american slavery. i'll speak with al sharpton about that, next. n with al sharpo about that, next you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from anyone else.

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happening now, a hashtag trending at this hour, 1619 proje project. that's in commemoration of the 400 year arrival of the first enslaved africans in what would become the united states. it's an interactive culture history of how the legacy of

slavery continues to both shape and define life here in america. we're going to discuss it with this guy. reverend al sharpton. i'm glad you're here. first question out of the gate. what the you think is the lasting effect of slavery in this country today? >> when people look at the fact their forefathers just two or three generations ago were own ed, were property and it goes from that generation onto their an ability to understand certain things others take for granted. it was geps the law for those enslaved to even marry or name their children after themselves. this is passed on. i remember several years ago in a local new york paper traced my ancestry to a slave, my great

grandfather in south carolina that was owned by strom thurman's family. i never really got onto it. i saw where the plantation was that he worked. it meant my great grandfather couldn't teach my grandfather how to read which limited the education of my father and i come behind that trying to reach for something and study for something that i could never go to my father or grandfather or my mother or grandmother and get the understanding because they, by law, couldn't have inherited that or been taught that by their parents. i think people act like this is something removed when you are directly impacted by where you grow up, who you grow up, who your family is and what they can pass onto you. >> i have vague recollections of that revelation about your family. were you able to speak with strom thurman's family about this. >> i met a couple of them but it was no deep conversation.

i talked deeply to the man who was a guy that kept historic artifacts at the plantation and had it as it was. he showed me the actual house behind the main house, the slaves stayed in. i could never describe how it felt to walk in there knowing my great grandfather and great grandmother were in there with probably 50 slaves that maybe could have housed ten people. that he was named after the owner of the plantation and himself. he was named after sharpton. it made me realize that every time i write my name, i'm writing the name of the family that owned by great grandfather. to think about that every time you write your name that you really don't know what your real name was, it's a sign of property. i think the new york times did a great service to america to

understand the sensitivity of how you grow up with thissed ie you. the more you know, the more the pain becomes acute. >> this is something that very personally affects you. what do you think the new york times is trying to achieve with this project? >> i think what they are trying to achieve and to some degree they were successful is to really deal with the pain and legacy to we understand in this country, we did not all start the same way. when you deal with it in contemporary politics on your show and i do on mine, it puts the contemporary politics in a whole new light. when you have a president that says to four women of color, one african-american, go back to where you come from, well we didn't ask to come here and you really don't want to open that door, mr. president, because then we have to talk about how did we get here. that question becomes different

for people from an african-american experience. >> then do have to talk about reparations? does that open the door to those discussions? >> i remember in april of this year when we had most just about all of the democratic candidates at our convention and i raised the question of reparations to each of them. some of the right wing, that's horrendous, why would he raise it. when you see the context by law and ownership you were starting way back going from property to trying to catch up. how do you not have the conversations of reparations? how we ever get to equality till we make up the forced gap. it was against the law to have family. when you realize that then the question of reparations becomes, in my opinion, more appropriate and necessary discussion.

>> how confident are you that 0 400 years later the reparations will be realized? >> i'm confident as long as we continue to raise it and it builds momentum. who would have thought you'd have these many presidential candidates saying i will sign a bill to explore how we deal with reparations. when i was a kid you brought up reparations and fringe. now it's mainstream issue in this present race and the contrast of that against a donald trump who is now taking policies that clearly would be not only against reparations but is putting kids in cages and reminding us of the worse days of this country, i think the contrast will make a lot of americans say, they would say, wait a minute. we do have a debt that is owed here because this was not something voluntarily done or this was not southern culture. this was the law of the land.

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a very busy day for democrats on the campaign trail. most of the campaigning taking place in new hampshire and south carolina. new york mayor explained his commitment to early childhood education. amy klobuchar found gun control was high on the agenda of voters there. julian castro discussing immigration with his supporters in bedford, new hampshire and elizabeth warren spent most of the service at a church. >> sanders unvailing details of his plan. i know you got a chance to talk to him. what is he saying? >> he was highlighting this newly released criminal justice reform. it's a pretty long set of

proposals he has there. it highlights and expands on ideas he talks about regularly on the campaign trail. i got to talk to him as he was leaving this event. listen to what he told me about this new plan. >> we spend $80 billion a year at the local, state and federal level for the privilege of locking up two million americans. we're spending a fortune rather than investing in our young peemg in j people in jobs and education. we're putting money into jails and incarceration. that's so crazy. >> this is an your supporters wanted you to be more aggressive on in 2016. >> i kind of don't accept that. we were strong in 2016. it's an issue. it's not a political issue. >> reporter: his plan seeks to cut the prison population in half.

he wants to eliminate private prisons in the country. he wants to shift from the overly punitive measures we see and shift to incentiving. this is an issue in the 2020 campaign you hear from many candidates see criminal justice reform as a primary issue for them. many voters want to see the proposals and are listening to the proposals from the candidates. this is senator sanders reflecting what we hear a lot on the ground from voters and what's important to them. >> he's got a lot on his agenda. thanks for the chat with him. appreciate that. president trump never at a loss for words especially when attacks his democrat opponents. up next, are his supporters getting tired of the incessant name calling. the incessant name calling just a chair.

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superficial knowledge of how the immigration system works and the president relies heavily on miller to explain and interpret it to him. let's bring in democratic strategist former adviser to the hillary clinton campaign and former nevada gop chairwoman amy tarecanen. >> hi. >> you first, what goes through your head when you hear how much influence stephen miller has on immigration policy. >> he's a mental midget. i've been thinking about him since i read "the washington post" article. it he's not a serious thinker. he has to be placed in the context of the administration. remember this administration is largely made up of individuals who would remind us of the island of misfit toys. why? no career republicans or serious thinkers wanted anything to do with this administration at the beginning of this thing. nobody wants to be a participant

in this national disaster that could be up to eight years, we hope only four. d.c. is a place young people can rise up quickly because of turnover and people getting burned out and such. but in the white house that typically doesn't happen. the white house typically gets the best of the best. somebody as pernicious as racist and nonintellectual as stephen miller generally wouldn't have a place to shine in the white house of any other administration but he's here because this administration has picked up a bunch of individuals to do their bidding. >> the post pressing this man credited with the most hardline immigration policies on claims from co-workers he harbors racist views listen to part of his answer. >> anybody who says that is an ignorant fool, liar, and reprobate who has no place in civilized society. >> what's your reaction to that? >> sounds crazy.

even his response, the way his tone sounded, sounds a little unstable. look, stephen miller has been operating in sort of a shadows of washington for a long time. he worked for michelle bachmann, who, of course, notoriously held a hard line on immigration, and now he is on the front lines of the issue. he has singular control over one of the most important consequential issues of not just our lifetime but also going up into the 2020 election. so it's nerve-racking how much one -- how much power one individual can have over one issue that impacts so many lives and so many people. we can only hope that stephen miller's time will be limited after november 2020. >> amy, the "post" reports miller argued publicizing images of inhumane detention

strategies. among the few administration officials that continue to defend this policy. between that and what we heard from miller moments ago, are these really the messages that trump campaign wants to get out for 2020? are these going to really resonate with the majority of voters? >> in that same article it states that he has been quoted as saying citizenship is something that is sacred which most of us would agree, if not all of us. immigration affects everything we do. education, economy s. there's a long list of things it effects. that is a strategy which you mentioned to show actually the situation that is going on in these detention centers. >> meaning the cages and the like. >> can get a good understanding of really what's been going on. >> for quite some time -- >> prior to the trump administration. but amy, stephen suggests that showing those pictures are a deterrent. is there any evidence to suggest that that works?

>> it's a strategy. i don't know if it's one that works per se. but it is something that he's definitely is laser focused on. it's not a bad thing to have somebody who is a senior adviser to be very well read, to be very eager to make sure that he's on top of it, if not in front of the topics and the issues, to be a good adviser to the president. the president just doesn't take his advice. he takes advice from multiple people. >> do you think stephen miller in the white house is a good thing for america? >> oh, man. that's not my decision but sounds from the areas where he has spoken about immigration being so sacred and making sure we are taking care of the people who are here legally and doing things the correct way, yes, i would agree with him on those. >> all right. look, guys, i want to get to something else in terms of the president who is reviving a line of attack on democrat elizabeth warren this work. listen to what he told supporters at a rally in new

hampshire. >> elizabeth warren, i did the pocahontas thing and hit her really hard. it looked like she was down and out. that was too long ago. don't worry, we will revive it. it can be revived. it can be revived, right? >> do you, amy, wish he would stop using this racial slur? >> i do. there's no room for it. i know that some people still chuckle from it and when he ran the first time, he had nicknames for all 17 on the stage. mi little marco. i don't find it's necessary and there's other ways to approach senator warren. >> do you think they're chuckling at it as amy suggested or donald trump when he does that? he look ridiculous as he's

poking his fist? >> i think they're chuckling at it because people that go to the rallies, the deplorables as hillary called them are animated by this stuff. i do have a question, though, for my colleague amy, i have the highest esteem but every week we come on and talk about things you don't approve of and things that trump does that you have no place for it in your home or life, what at this point are you supporting? the tariffs are throwing the economy into uncertainty, we're facing a potential recession. iraq is doing whatever. why are we with this guy? >> well, that's a very good question, and i think that's where we're seeing in some of the polls that have been brought out here recently where you see senior citizens actually going away from president trump and going towards people like joe biden, like elizabeth warren, and it has to do with the presentation of the rhetoric. plain and simple. not necessarily with the policies. more with the personalities. i have met the president a number of times and do not agree

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