monday, and "mtp daily" can kristen welker in for chuck emblematic. starts right now. to do to go forward. ted cruz won by 2.6%. attacking his record on hean, h that was very close. ♪ if republicans are defending was the president who gave, you texas, then there is no future know, who allowed children who fort republican party. there will be no republican had spent their entire life here presidents anymore. to stay under the daca program. cannot lose texas. that program has been rescinded and texas is trending blue it. >> may not happen this year. and is under court challenge by but it will happen over time. if it's friday, the obama the trump administration. empire strikes back. president obama was the president who tried to pass and so the damage trump is doing to the party now through this -- we've got brand-new reporting at comprehensive immigration reform this hour as some of obama's and couldn't because republicans closest allies send this message blocked him. so if you want to talk about the i hate to say it, but i'll say to democratic candidates obama era, talk about what they attacking his legacy, knock it it racist attacks on americans. did to block and how you're off. plus, yet another gop going to change that if you're he is pushing people away from president. >> one former official said retirement. republican congressman will hurd mostly it seems like these are this party and maybe he can win is leaving congress. candidates who are struggling to what all those retirements could register in the polls. with -- but the republican party is that how you see it, or do mean for the president. you see this as a broader cannot. and it cannot persist, which is and president trump's intel critique, and i'm going to bring you in, in just a minute. sad. which if you look at the history chief has been withdrawn. >> if you looked on the debate of the republican party, it was we'll have the latest for that stage, was the people on the the freedom party. that's how it began. turmoil inside the white house. edge of the debate stage, the people in 1 or 2% of the polls and we've lost that now, and that's coming up. if it's friday, it's meet who were trying to find their it's gone, and i think trump has the press. good evening, i'm kristen welker way to climb to the top. in washington in for chuck todd. done so much damage that it's and i would just say if you never coming back. we begin tonight with brand-new think you're going to move from reporting at this hour and a 1% to 15% in the polls by >> do you think trump cares, maria, and we should say that growing backlash among some of attacking a president who has something like a 95% approval in will hurd was always in the president obama's closest position of having to respond to

advisers and allies. the democratic base, that is an again, some in the democratic what you've described as these presidential field after a ill-conceived strategy. racist tweets, racist attacks. number of can a number of obama >> let me bring you in. what is your reaction to all you this? is obama's record fair game? administration policies on >> but he would say outwardly to some extent, senator sanders deportations, obamacare, is making the case, look, i want that he would vote the party based on interviews with some to start again when it comes to line it. >> the interesting thing, health care. i want medicare for all. though, about texas is that in obama's closest aides and advisers, the response from >> but if you look at the the last election, prior to language he's used, he's been obamaland boils down to this, very intentional about it saying 2018, the voters in texas were knock it off. those who served closest to he wants to build on the legacy of obama. the lowest propensity voters. he's defended the obama have expressed dismay at he said i've been out there they just didn't turn out. seeing his record picked apart. they went from the 50th fighting, traveling all over the deadliest state. one former obama official told they went up nine points. nbc news, quote, it's not a so now the 41st. long-term strategy for the democratic field, it's not a we have to go much further. so he's made the case for that was because two out of strategy that sustains anyone. medicare for all but not saying every five foet huaw-- out of e another former obama official claimed that anyone sharply it at the expense of anything critical of obama's record won't that was terrible or wrong with be the democratic nominee noting the affordable care act, just that we can move the ball that many of what they saw as forward and we should by the sharpest attacks were coming five voters were hispanic. establishing that we have a from candidates not in the top health care as a human right and they're being racially profiled at scale, and their families and tier. still president obama's former in corporate greed in our health communities are feeling attorney general eric holder who care system. increasingly less safe. flirted with a run for president >> but is obama's record fair it is the rhetoric that has game? is there a point at which we consequences in texas. himself had this message for the might see bernie sanders have and if people do not recognize that this is a dangerous road field, tweeting be weary of sharper words for his policies? that the president is traveling, attacking the obama record, >> president obama was a good build on it, expand it, but president trapped in a corrupt we are all in danger. there is little to be gained for >> the largest voting block you or the party by attacking a political and economic system.

are there things that he did very successful and still that might not have been perfect? can't vote right now. popular democratic president. he would acknowledge it. i think all of us would they're latino. the number of explicit and acknowledge that too. so are there areas of implicit rebukes of obama >> there are 50 million improvement on immigration, on administration policies on the criminal justice reform? debate stage this week came as a could you advance the ball even surprise to some on the left, further? yes. does it mean that he did a bad and those divisions were quickly job and was a bad president? unregistered latinos. he has created this idea that targeted by president trump. when we say "send her back," that he's talking about a sliver >> look what happened. no. i think certainly out of senator of americans. in fact, we have 132 million but i was watching the so-called sanders' mouth, any suggestion . americans who are people of debate last night. color. this is personal. >> well, and you have a lot of [ crowd reacting ] democrats who are saying trump is the single greatest energizing force for democrats. and i also watched the night >> she tweeted the gop didn't attack reagan, they built him up will, what has the reaction before, that was long, long been -- >> can i -- >> yes, please, go ahead. television. for decades. dem candidates who attack obama and the democrats spent more are wrong and terrible. time attacking barack obama than obama wasn't perfect, but come, >> let me interject all this on people, next to trump, he happy talk on the democratic kind of it. they did attacking me this is my outrage of the day. side. midterm elections traditionally practically. [ applause ] mike, the reality is when have gone against the candidate obama was campaigning, president's party in all but >> the president pouncing while he didn't always have the most some of president obama's allies glowing comments about former three times, and the snerj are publicly warning democrats always on the out party. president clinton, for example, we saw this in the midterms. about the risk of critiquing the and that primary did get ugly democratic turnout models. last administration, many feel obviously between him and this is the highest midterm constrained from doing so more hillary clinton. >> that's right. and of course when you're running against hillary clinton, turnout in 102 years and it was we saw him critical of bill forcefully partly because a democratic flavored turnout. president obama signaled he this next time with trump on the doesn't want to put his fingers clinton's record in the white house. he says he wasn't a

on the scales of this democratic transformational president in primary, putting biden in the e ronald reagan was. awkward spot of running as a and a lot of this comes out of ballot. restoration of the obama years trump-se and fielding criticism of the frustration, trump-centric voters. president obama had terrible obama's record while obama stays midterms in 2010 and 2014, but silent himself. barack obama as somewhat of a he came back and won the next we've got a phenomenal group ch in der to get out two years. here on set with me to talk of all of his lingering i think you need to take a look about all of this. at the total picture and not nbc news correspondent mike controversies here, he said take a look at the midterms when memoli is here with this new obama vetted me and i'll take a lot of trump-centric voters, reporting. matthew miller was an official in the obama administration his validation more than anybody. you saw cory booker say if where he served as the director are either dating the republican of the office of public affairs somebody wants to criticize what party, they're still not for the justice department. the obama administration did on married, come back for him. that turnout model is very and fad is the campaign manager immigration, you have to stand up for that as well. critical. you can't use him as an asset anti-trump people came out in for bernie sanders' presidential campaign. thanks to all of youfor being and a liability at the same time. here. droves. >> well, but this is the thing and of course, mike, i have to >> we did see candidate obama at is that not only did it drive in start with you in this new crimes critical of former president clinton. droves, democrats actually grew reporting. break down the crux of what >> early on in the campaign when the electoral base during a we're hearing from former obama he was still fighting hillary midterm election. administration officials today. clinton, but those were mild that is unprecedented. you and i have been working the phones, and wickly they're comments, they were infrequent, >> but obama struggled during and that was because he was the midterms. saying this is just not smart >> and he had the lowest going against the former president's spouse. participation rate in 2014. strategy. >> the obama alumni, which is a i think in this instance it but what i'm sharing is that would be a massive mistake, very tight-knit crew, they were normally during midterms, especially when you have a president who is trying to traditional voter comes out and in the trenches for ten years. dismantle the obama legacy piece vote. that wasn't the case. not only were young people, one they always knew his record was by piece. that's the thing i think if in six voters were young people. you're an obama administration we have never seen that. going to be subject to scrutiny. official you take most

personally. and that is because individuals especially on that debate stage when you see the president coming in systematically, rolling back the iran and deal are at the grassroots. wednesday night with former vice president on the stage. i think it's great that 43,000 that was one of the reasons and daca. and just roll it back. frankly why some of his advisers were worried about biden's and sometimes there's an absence women actually signed up to run for emily's list. of a positive agenda from this candidacy. president other than just to i say this as a vice-chair of this is in some ways pride in their work that they don't want repeal everything that barack emily's list. to see that record picked apart. obama did. so if i'm looking for a but it's also bad politics. democratic candidate who's going they think that this is taking to be the nominee, i want to there is a different tenor and their eyes off the ball, that hear from them how they're going it's because the president that we have right now is dividing that focus should be on to take on what donald trump is defeating president trump, not doing, not what barack obama americans based on race, based attacking our own candidate. did. on gender, and the majority of you saw the president, president >> and weigh in on that, faiz. americans do not feel good with and i think more specifically, trump, enjoying this side show. we didn't see senator sanders on that. >> so the hurd retirement and he knows that it could've been the debate stage with joe biden the other retirements, the numbers speak for themselves. all attacking him. in this round. i think it reflects a lack of there's difficulty though in when he is the next time, is he confidence on the part of addressing this too publicly not going to have to take aim at republicans that they're going because in responding to these to take back the house majority charges they don't want to be this time. what happened under obama? seen as putting the thumb on the what's the strategy? if you actually like to govern, scale for joe biden because he's >> joe biden's record to take there aren't the levers of the one more than anyone running aim at, and that's where his power. they are basically reduced to most closely on the obama focus will be on, whether it's the iraq war or trade deals or record. >> matthew miller, take us inside what you and your former protecting trump. colleagues who you used to work anything that you want to go so i think the hurd retirement through on education policy and with former president obama are that a bunch of the other saying and thinking. retirements reflect this lack of this obviously has to do with discrimination within our strategy. you want to see the democratic criminal justice system. optimism. >> representative davis, final there is a lot to focus on with regards to joe biden's evolution word to you. >> i think, look, in georgia nominee win. on many of these issues and but what was the gut reaction when you saw some of those sharp seven, the hurd seat that moves

comments? those districts a little -- they >> look, it's a very diverse positing against that on bernie will be a little bit tougher. group of former obama officials. sanders. so we're looking forward to that i think the other districts all so i think it'd be unfair to say hold. we're still early in the game. debate. quite frankly, we're looking that everyone has kind of the forward to being on the debate the democrats basically sacked stage with him in october, their whole leadership group lock stick opinion. but my take is similar to the november, and december. with the ccc this week. >> one of the things i've heard from voters is the tone. they're having their own and you sort of touched on that, internal problems. things were coming apart in both tweet you quoted from eric matt, that particularly the holder. parties at this point. i don't think that's what any second debate seemed to -- you it takes a long time to sort candidate should do. saw the candidates really go this thing out. he would run on what he wants after each other in personal and >> all right. very aggressive ways. well, thank you for a great conversation. we are out of time. what do you make of that? former congressman tom davis, sahil kapur, and rick tyler, again, the primary in 2007, thanks to all of you. 2008, got very ugly at various ahead, president trump's moments. so surprised by that, concerned by that? pick for intel chief is out of >> i don't have any problem with the running. so what's behind the surprise the candidates attacking each decision? we will answer that next. next . other. this is for the most important office in the world. there ought to be a little bit jamie, are there any interesting photos from your trip? of fighting. there's an old saying, politics ouch, okay. isn't bean bag. huh, boring, boring, you don't need to see that. as a voter i want to see who can oh, here we go. can you believe my client steig had never heard throw a punch and take a punch because you're going to have to of a home and auto bundle or that renters could bundle? do that as the nominee. what i would like to see, however, instead of, you know, wait, you're a lawyer? only licensed in stockholm. what is happening? fighting over the nitty-gritty jamie: anyway, game show,

policy details, let's fight kumite, about a bigger vision for where cinderella story. to take the country. you know karate? i want to see from candidates no, alan, i practice muay thai, how they contrast their vision completely different skillset. to lead the country versus donald trump's versus fighting over whether my health care plan is going to get 100% coverage versus 99, 98%. when you get down in the weeds, just seems completely irrelevant to what i think voters care about. >> joe biden was asked about attacked against his former boss. >> i must tell you i was a little surprised at how much income there was about barack, about the president. i'm proud of him, i'm proud of the job he did. i don't think there's anything he has to apologize for. and i think, you know, it kind of surprised me the degree of the criticism. >> mike, take us inside the biden campaign. obviously joe biden was the target of almost everyone's attacks in this last round of debates. his strategy has been to embrace his former boss, president

obama. does that change the all? does it need to change? has it made him more vulnerable to some of these attacks? >> well, i was there yesterday as part of that gagle. i asked him, there has been a change in your strategy. and he started out the campaign by saying i'm not going to speak ill of another democrat. that now is fair game. a lot of this gets to what mat managingaudrey's on it.s? has said which is that the eating right? on it! substance is important. staying active? donald trump has changed our on it. politics and everybody, you audrey thinks she's doing all she can know, we talked to voters all to manage her type 2 diabetes and heart disease the time who say i just want to see somebody on that debate but is her treatment doing enough to lower her heart risk? stage that i am confident that can go up against donald trump. with joe biden what you're going [sfx: crash of football players colliding off-camera.] to be seeing over the next month and the months ahead is an maybe not. jardiance is the number 1 prescribed pill in its class. actual idea of bringing the fact that he believes the most jardiance can reduce the risk of cardiovascular death democratic voters in terms of for adults who also have known heart disease. ideology are much closer to him than to a bernie sanders that he that means jardiance can help save your life actually represents the views of much more of the democratic from a heart attack or stroke. politics and that we pay too plus, jardiance lowers a1c much attention, perhaps, to some and it could help you lose some weight. of the voices on the left which jardiance can cause serious side effects including dehydration, can be shaping this debate.

>> and, faiz, just give us a genital yeast or urinary tract infections, preview of what we can expect, if you will. and sudden kidney problems. a lot of people note of the fact ketoacidosis is a serious side effect that may be fatal. that during the first night of a rare, but life-threatening bacterial infection... debates what we really saw was this remarkable divide between ...in the skin of the perineum could occur. the more progressive and more stop taking jardiance and call your doctor right away moderate candidates. senator warren and senator if you have symptoms of this bacterial infection,... ...ketoacidosis, or an allergic reaction. sanders did not criticize each other at all. do not take jardiance if you are on dialysis in fact, they were arm in all. is that sustainable? or have severe kidney problems. one of them obviously is taking jardiance with a sulfonylurea or insulin fighting to become the nominee. may cause low blood sugar. >> i know. it is surprising to many people, lower a1c and lower risk of a fatal heart attack? but you can make a case for on it with jardiance. yourself without denigrating the other, particularly when you ask your doctor about jardiance. agree on so much. and so i think they feel like the type 2 diabetes pill that's on it. they can make a case for themselves without denigrating the other. learn more at jardiance.com we talk about the fact that president obama said medicare for all is a good idea. you eat right... mostly. and i don't know that joe biden you make time... when you can. has said that or believe it's. so i'm happy to have that but sometimes life gets in the way, and that stubborn fat just won't go away. conversation. i am sure senator sanders will bring that up at some point in a coolsculpting takes you further. forthcoming debate stage. a non-surgical treatment that targets, freezes, i think the debate will become tighter on the debate stage, and eliminates treated fat cells, for good. fewer candidates. we are looking forward to having joe biden, elizabeth warren, discuss coolsculpting with your doctor. kamala harris, on the debate some common side-effects include temporary numbness,

stage so that we can have these discomfort, and swelling. out and discuss your vision for don't imagine results, see them. america and whether you're willing to take on corporate coolsculpting, special interest or not. take yourself further. >> matt miller, what are you going to be looking for in the next debate? >> i really do want to see the interactions between elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, and joe welcome back. some big news out of the white house this afternoon. biden. kamala harris showed she's along the president's pick to lead the to take a swing at him, intelligence community delivered a pretty effective one republican congressman john in the first debate. radcliff has faced criticism i'm really curious to see whether those two senators are willing to. from democrats due to his lack >> and the field will be much smaller in september when we see of intelligence experience, his the next debate. an apparent overstating of his so far eight candidates have resume and his performance at qualified so we'll have to see if more do. mueller's hearing questioning all right. thank you for a fantastic the legitimacy of the russia conversation. matthew miller, faiz, thank you, probe. he is now out of the running. and mike memoli, great i'm joined now by nbc news reporting. ahead, a new challenge for national security and 2020 candidates, more than half intelligence correspondent ken of democrats in the house won an dilanian who has new reporting on this story. impeachment inquiry against the ken, how did this all come president. how that could impact the about? >> we've got great reporting presidential race. from halle jackson and andrea and later another republican lawmaker rushing for the door texas congressman will hurd says mitchell. it looks like there was a groundswell among republicans that he should not be the next he won't seek re-election. director of national

intelligence. this is the 35th time that could there be more in the way? we'll take a look when we come right back. way donald trump has withdrawn a we'll take a look when we come right back proposed nominee for a job. ♪ more, more, more so it suggests there isn't a vetting process in this white house. that's what we saw play out here. radcliff was put forward. he had almost no intelligence experience. then it turned out he was puffing on his resume. he never prosecuted a terrorism case. republicans had already been skeptical of him. many don't know who he is even though he's a house republican who was on television during the mueller hearings. it turned out he wasn't going on ♪ how do you like it, ♪ how do you like it ♪ ♪ more, more, more trips with the house intelligence community. all of that plus his sort of ♪ how do you like it, how do you like it ♪ uncertainty whether he wanted to all you can eat is back. how do you like that? subject himself to this added up to the end of that. applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. >> and part of the concern and senator warner spoke to this, liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, hmm. exactly. so you only pay for what you need. that he was so critical of the nice. but, uh... what's up with your... partner? russia investigation and the not again. limu that's your reflection. fact that intelligence officials only pay for what you need. have said look, russia's ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ currently trying to meddle in the u.s. election. >> he was the worst nightmare of people who feared donald trump

would put in a political lackey who had been smearing robert mueller and the russia investigation. there is a chance to set the table. there's a boomlet going on right now for sue gordon, the principal deputy, a long time cia officer has a lot of support on the hill and the community. until a few hours ago, was donald trump didn't like her and didn't want to make her the acting. in an exchange he said something different. >> we have that. let's play it. >> well, that might be, i like (groans) hmph... sue gordon. (food grunting menacingly) and sue gordon is there now. when the food you love doesn't love you back, i like her very much. i've always liked sue gordon. stay smooth and fight heartburn fast we'll make another choice, and with tums smoothies. sue will be -- she's there now. ♪ tum tum-tum tum tums with tums smoothies. and certainly she will be considered for the acting. what sore muscles? what with advpounding head? .. and that could happen. we'll probably be talking about advil is... relief that's fast. strength that lasts. it either later today or next week. >> that was halle jackson, you'll ask... pressing the president whether she will become the acing. what pain? with advil. what is your expectation here? >> it seems like people have gotten to donald trump and

explained if she's not the acting, by the way, the law requires she become the acting although there is wiggle room, the senate would be upset if she's not the acting. whether he decides to appoint her as the dna, that's another matter. we have not heard any names floated who the next dni might be. that's the next reporting challenge. >> he said he has a couple of people on the list. put this into a broader perspective and context. ken, this is a key position. we are heading into the 2020 election. and again, russia is currently actively frying to meddle in our elections according to the intelligence community. how critical is it that he find a replacement quickly? >> it's very important but not clear donald trump believes it's important because of russia. last night trump again expressed doubts that russia was interfering and meddling. it's important for iran, north korea. this is the most complex and dangerous period in our history in terms of national security threats and you need someone managing the community because

that's what this job does. welcome back. he knits together all the 2020 democrats aren't just different strands of intelligence and presents it to facing pushback from some who the president. and right now, that job will be served in the obama soon be vacant. administration. >> bottom line, this is yet they may have another presidential issue on their hands. we hit an important symbolic another momentposition. milestone in the house today. we've seen so many of them. >> it really is. a majority of house democrats are now officially calling for and this is an important one and the opening of an impeachment inquiry into president trump. the idea that donald trump put earlier today california forward somebody with very little vet who had no experience congressman salud harbal called is going to give a lot of people pause. >> ken, thanks for being here. really appreciate it. for an investigation. we'll be right back. eing here. really appreciate it we'll be right back. with a majority of house democrats now on the same page, the question becomes will speaker pelosi face increased pressure despite her reluctance to move on impeachment? so let's dive into this with our experts. sahil is, maria, and rick is a republican strategist and an msnbc political analyst. sahil, i want to start with you. let's break down these numbers

118. what does it mean, does this move the needle at all? >> well, it certainly does move the needle. i think the most significant thing about this is there a number of democrats who won for the first time in 2018, many of them in swing districts like michael vin and katy porter. they were facing a constituency. it's been a long time since andrew dusted off his dancing shoes. so i think there's a lot of luckily denture breath conviction driving this, not will be the least of his worries. just political considerations for them. because he uses polident 4 in 1 cleaning system and i would watch closely what happens in the month of august. to kill 99.99% in past years activists and of odor causing bacteria. polident. clean. fresh. and confident. grassroots people in both parties, in either party, have elevated issues to do things of odor causing bacteria. ♪ mmm, exactly!ug liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, that they didn't ordinarily want to do like defunding obamacare so you only pay for what you need. nice! but uh, what's up with your partner? in 2013 which ended in a disaster. >> maria, do you think that that oh! we just spend all day telling everyone could happen during the month of august? or does this lose momentum how we customize car insurance because they're all on recess? because no two people are alike, so... >> i have to say one of the best limu gets a little confused when he sees moments of the democratic debate another bird that looks exactly like him. over the weekend was actually ya... he'll figure it out. making a case for why they only pay for what you need. should pursue impeachment. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ it was from julian castro.

if you, do then you have a case of why moscow mitch is basically preventing impeachment. and that really crystalized that they have to be able to demonstrate that they stand for something, even if you're in a swing district that you stand for something, and you stand for the order of the law. what will be interesting to see is how quickly a lot of these grassroots organization, will they take advantage of the townhalls coming in august. and there are rumblings but nothing has crystallized yet. >> some democrats i speak with say this is political suicide we like drip coffee, layovers- because the senate is not going -and waiting on hold. to vote to impeach the what we don't like is relying president. i talked to frankly some white house officials who say make our on fancy technology for help. day. snail mail! we were invited to a y2k party... this would give the president the foil he wants out on the uh, didn't that happen, like, 20 years ago? campaign trail, rick. >> and that's the practical oh, look, karolyn, we've got a mathematician on our hands! matter. even if the house drew up impeachment and recommended to check it out! now you can schedule a callback the senate that they hold the trial, which they would, they or reschedule an appointment, even on nights and weekends. wouldn't convict him. today's xfinity service. simple. easy. awesome. and so he would essentially be t i'd rather not.

the number of democrats in the house who want impeachment. that's actually not important. what would move the needle is if the country said, yes, we have to impeach this person. even republicans would follow. but they'll say it's a chicken -- >> two-thirds that nancy pelosi would say, hey, wait a minute. >> two-thirds of the caucus sees the majority of their own district saying yes we have to do this. the reason that democrats are slowly getting on board, the facts haven't changed, the facts have been out there a long time, is that it's political. their base of their party says to impeach him. i think the president has committed impeachable offenses. i think it's very clear. but this is a political process and it's not a judicial process. friday., house speaker nancy here's what she had to >> we will proceed when we have

what we need to proceed, not one day sooner. everybody has the liberty and the luxury to espouse their own position and to criticize me for trying to go down the path in that is all for tonight. we'll be back monday with more the most determined positive "meet the press" daily. way. again, their advocacy for don't miss chuck on "meet the impeachment only gives me press" this sunday. he'll have candidates cory leverage. i have no complaint with what they are doing. booker and steve lull lock and president trump's chief economic >> sahil, she says she is not adviser larry kudlow. beat with ari melber" starts trying to run out the clock. a lot of people say it sure right now. looks like that's what's good evening, happy friday. happening because time's just >> happy friday to you. about up to move on impeachment. it's been a busy summer friday when it comes to news. >> she has changed her rhetoric. there's news tonight. for example, more than half of i haven't previously before that house democrats backing comment heard her say, yeah, impeachment, disturbing video of it's good that they're talking about it, it enhances my violence right outside trump's leverage. and there is an effective rally. and congress may be on vacations political deadline because once the year flips to 2020, you're but they don't take vacations. in an election year. it just has a very different facts have sunk trump's latest feel if people are already heading to the polls, if super national security pick. tuesday is happening when the a headline few probably expected congress is trying to impeach when bob mueller first testified the president. but to your point about what which was just last week.

julian castro said, i've heard if it feels like longer, maybe that from figures on the left a lot, when isthat if the house you've been busy like we have. tonight for the first time ever, doesn't impeach the president, he is still going to claim exoneration. and he's going to say they had nothing on me so they couldn't even try. >> and that's actually taking a playbook from the republicans. when they've had hillary clinton doing the committees on benghazi, was just the aura that she had done something wrong, and that really made a dent in her armor. having this real question mark did she or did she an effect. >> if you want the president to be held accountable, i'll make let's say the senate somehow did convict. you know what would happen?d go. if he loses his election in 2020, he will then be subject to judicial prosecutio to a democr whether they want to pardon him or not. >> well, and again,

they're dealing with the clock and the reality of that. and is there anything else that could move the needle? we've heard from mueller they're saying obviously they want to hear from mcgahn. the white house is blocking that. but what would move the needle, rick, at this point? >> people compare it to the nixon administration. i remember parts because i watched as a young boy, the geek i was, but when people understood what nixon -- it was shocking to the nation, they had no day. >> there was a visual element to it. >> they had no idea the president was capable of these things because nobody thought of these things. what are they going to find with donald trump? that he had an unpaid parking ticket, that there was another porn star? i mean, what is it they would find that would send the country over the edge? >> i have a theory about this. what would move the needle is when the polls hit 51% for impeachment. the house leadership is watching the poles and there's no

substantive thing i think you can do. >> you don't think it's two, thirds of the house saying we're ready to impeach? >> i don't think that would do it. >> i think more than two-thirds of house democrats are privately already there. >> but i think at the end of the day because the elections are so near, it is going to be about the american people giving their representatives backbone to do the right thing. if they don't hear the resounding piece from the american voter, they're going to say maybe it is kind of 50/50. >> let me get your reaction to where we started our first conversation which is what we saw on the debate stage, obviously the democratic primary well underway. and we saw a number of candidates taking sharp aim at former president obama's legacy as a way to take a swipe at joe biden. and obviously former obama officials are saying knock it off. what did you make of what we witnessed? >> rick and i were having this conversation. i think that obama is still one of the most popular presidents in our mindset, especially among young voters, especially young

african-american voters, especially among individuals that we actually need to win, including moderate republicans and independents. this idea that they went after him, for example, on this issue of immigration, it might resonate among a group of really select individuals. but overwhelmingly it doesn't bring any people over the line. if you want to win, what you want to do is embrace the last democratic presidential hero that we've had, and he wasn't that long ago, and it was a different time in america where we actual eighty saw possibility as our future. >> has the democratic party moved more to the left since obama, and therefore is there somewhat of a necessity? >> i mean, look, i think it's crazy when the republicans are still obsessed with hillary. but the idea the democrats are attacking barack obama. the single most important voting block in the democratic primary is african-americans. he has something like a 90-something, i don't know what it is exactly. >> 120%. [ laughter ] >> it's probably better than

that. and you're going to attack barack obama thinking that you're going to win the democratic nominee when african-americans support barack obama such overwhelming numbers. it was the stupidest thing i've ever seen politically on a live stage among people who were supposed to be the best in class. >> wow. that is saying a lot. sahil? >> that's why i think this conversation is a gift to joe biden because he gets to be the guy who swoops in much as he did yesterday, thanks president obama. last i checked his favorable rating with democrats, not just african-americans was 95%. it's extraordinary. and the thing to note is that some of the critiques are not really personalizing it, and it's not inconsistent to say elizabeth warren as are kamala harrises, i want single payer health care, medicare for all. it's not really tearing down -- >> republicans are saying i want to repeal obamacare. that's what they're saying. >> but -- >> and i think that's why biden, with his medical agenda, he was very clear. he was like we don't want to

dismantle obamacare. we actually want to improve on it. and for the american people, they understand this idea of -- the opposite of what you're saying dismantling, that creates incredible insecurity with folks. >> let me push you quickly on that because bernie sanders calling for a medicare for all essentially saying let's tear up obamacare and start up again. is it not an implicit criticism of the obama leg say to say that? >> i think it's an implicit criticism in that bernie sanders doesn't believe he went bar enough on, but bernie wrote some aspects of it. so it's no more i think tearing down president obama's legacy than saying the tax cuts under reagan or bush -- sorry, go ahead. >> the democrats right now are focusing on health care because that's what basically brought them back into the house. what i would encourage them, though, is to expand their view what, americans really want is innovation and jobs. if they can actually put a stake

in the ground saying we are going to talk about climate change through the lens of innovation and jobs, that will bring a whole lot of heck of a lot of folks in the midwest. >> as opposed to we're going to die in 12 years which is what i've heard twice? [ laughter ] >> and, yeah, that's not helpful. >> that is now being talked about is incrementalist was not seen as incrementalist at the time. with things like the green new deal and single-payer, that those things are now being talked about. >> but, rick, to that point, a lot of what we saw, especially in the second debate, right, were attacks and not actual candidates talking about their policies and how they were going to put more money in the pockets of the american people. did some of that get lost, and does that hurt the eventual nominee? >> i tli, and others were tryin to have zingers and others were prepared to defend their record. but policy can get you into a

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welcome back. in just the last 24 hours the republican efforts to win back the house next year got even more difficult. after texas congressman will hurd, the only black house republican, announced he would not run for re-election. he's one of six house republicans to announce their retirement in just the last two weeks alone. hurd explained his decision by saying he wants to serve his country in another way. but he's also been one of the gop's most outspoken critics of president trump. he was one of just four house republicans who voted to condemn the president's racially charged tweets two weeks ago. and literally minutes before hurd announced his retirement, the president renewed his attack on baltimore, predominantly black city with a black mayor

and represented by congressman elijah cummings. >> it's been total one-party control of the inner cities. for 100 years it's been one-party control. look at him, we can name one after another, but i won't do that. [ crowd reacting] >> because i don't want to be controversial. the homicide rate in baltimore is significantly higher than el salvador, honduras, guatemala. i believe it's higher than -- give me a place that you think is pretty bad. >> well, 90% of republicans approve of the job president trump is doing according to the latest quinnipiac university poll. so if there's no room for critics of the president in the republican party, is there room for the party to grow? i'll ask a former chair of the national republican campaign committee when he joins me next. , you inspire us. the way you triumph over adversity.

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i am ecstatic and happy that will hurd will no longer be seeking re-election for his congressional district. he is not a republican values. he's a rhino. texas needs to start standing with true conservatives. >> welcome back. well, perhaps sentiment like that is why will hurd will not be running for reluction. who also served as chairman of the national republican congressional campaign committee. sahil kapur, and rick tyler are back as well. representative davis, let me start with you. what is your reaction to the fact that will hurd's not going to be running for re-election and the fact that it comes on the heels of so many other members of congress announcing their retirement? >> well, i'm saddened. will was a very solid member of the house. he had the unfortunate circumstance of being in one of three congressional districts

held by republicans that hillary clinton carried last time and was going to face a tough , he had $700,000 in the bank. i think he would have gone on to win re-ele republicans to hold. but will was an outstanding member of the house. i'm sorry to hear people talking about him being a rhino. >> it's interesting to hear you saying that you -- he has at various moments criticized president trump. he narrowly won election in the last cycle. and so i think there was probably a lot of concern on his part that he wouldn't win. but let me ask you more broadly about what this means for the party. how can the republican party grow and be competitive in the house, try to win back the house when you have fewer and fewer minorities who are serving in women? >> actually they've had a good

year on republicans and women. we haven't gone through the nomination process yet. but over 200 women candidates have come out and announced progress for republicans. we still have to go through the nomination process. they still have to win. i think it's a lot of outreach going on, and i think there's a realization that the party's going to have to change its coloration if they want to stay competitive. and losing will hurd doesn't help that. but more importantly, will hurd was a very substantive member of the house. he would have won because last time he got caught up in a democratic surge in the state in urban areas where o'rourke was running at a straight ticket ballot that i helped take him down. so i think it would've been a tough race, though. and, look, he's going to have great possibilities on the outside. i wish the best for him. >> rick, weigh in on this, and what do you think the broader impact and significance is of will hurd saying he's not seeking re-election? >> well, having trouble with two concepts. one is what does rhino mean

anymore. >> that's an interesting point. inherited his wealth from a slum lord complaining about inner cities. that seems