position on nafta? and there's never been an easier way to get toug your options you said that house democrats and find a perfect place. were talking about four concrete a place for mom. changes to trump's deal. you know your family >> no. we know senior living. you asked me whether or not together we'll make the right choice. trump planned as offered. that's what i was asked. the four changes, as long as i got to make sure that this time they are written in stone. they are written in stone. they must be imposed. because last time, remember, there was a proposal that said you're going to have to -- this was 20 some years ago -- you're going to have to make sure you provide for alternatives for you ready for this? people who may get caught in the welcome back to "velshi and cross fire here. that did not happen. ruhle" accused sex trafficker it's a different deal. someone had a question. yes. jeffrey epstein reportedly had bizarre aspirations in his >> going back to last night is personal life. there anything you would do according to the "new york times" epstein was interested in differently? >> instead of saying joe i would eugenics, a movement that believes in trying to improve have said text. the human race by controlled you know, i was so focused on breeding. the times reports epstein, making a case for joe i said, quote, hoped to seed the human race with his dna by

joe, when i gave the number. impregnating women at his vast, it was text. i would have changed that. you guys have printed it 15 new mexico ranch. times and it's getting great results now. we're getting a lot of incoming. he had scientists at his manhattan mansion to tell them about his plan. nbc news has not >> black voter turnout is down in black areas of key states verified this but have reached out for a statement and haven't like michigan. heard back. you invoke president a obama a at this point we know epstein is lot when you talk about race but behind bars charged with sex i am curious how you plan to get trafficking under age girls. obama level turnouts in 2020 as he has pled not guilty. joining me one of the reporters a white politician. >> i've run in a state that has behind that bizarre "new york times" story, matt goldstein. the eighth largest black population in the country. i'll just start with this. i have never when i've run in an what? off or on year gotten any fewer matt? votes than on an on year and more than any person ever has in delaware black or white. what is this? i come from the community. >> well, it is a very bizarre they know my heart. they know me. i think that's why so many are story and as you were joking it supporting me. will be hard to top this one. i think the black community is no different than any other you know, i think it shows a community in the sense that they are being hurt badly. window into his thinking and his they're being hurt badly and they want to know someone, first of all, are they telling them world view. look, we don't have any evidence the truth? are they laying out straight he actually ever consummated

exactly what they're going to this in any way. >> how do you know this was part do? no double talk. what are you going to do? of his big plan? then secondly, do i believe you >> well, the fact is that he told people about it. understand me? do i believe you know my heart? you know, the thing with epstein and i've spent my whole is he boasts about a lot of things and talks about a lot of career -- i'm not a black man to state the obvious. things. it wasn't just like one random i've gone out of my way to conversation. he talked to a few number of understand best i possibly can scientists about this. and other business people. that what the concerns are -- they're legitimate. so it was something like a look, you have so many fascination of his. it goes beyond that. he was into this stuff called african-american businessmen and women with great potential they trans humanism, which is sort of have to have access to capital. the idea of marrying artificial you still -- i started off in my political life trying to deal with red lining of banks. intelligence and genetic it's still not done. engineering. so this was sort of like a life any bank who -- that exists in a long kind of hobby or obsession black community should have to of his. lend in the black community, you know, i think the takeaway we had from the story with my period. we should be in a position where we fundamentally change the way colleagues jim stewart and in which the educa works. jessica greenberg is you had all we didn't get a chance to talk about it last night. of these scientists sitting i laid out a plan in great there sort of listening to this stuff and most did not really get up and walk out of the room detail that now everybody, i'm or say you're crazy i'm not even glad they're talking about it, everybody agrees is good. going to deal with you anymore. a lot of them kept coming back i take and make, look at what's going on. because of the money. if you don't have access to >> but it also didn't raise a education everything gets backed

up. all of the dreams get backed up. red flag for them? that's why i proposed increasing that it wasn't just epstein and from $15 billion to $45 billion one particular woman but it was a year for at risk schools, the women at his ranch. title 1 schools. has to be spent. none of these scientists said, we challenge children, black or what do you mean? white, poor children and black what exactly is that setup? is it like a bunch of horses? children and hispanic children and they can do as well as these are human beings, women anybody else given a chance. we're talking about. that's why i insist there be >> we do have in the story some absolutely three, four, and people who when they heard some 5-year-olds having preschool. of this say i'm off the island. not a choice. we know the numbers. look, you have great universities here. not on that, the idea of letting find me a university in this state that doesn't say that -- poor people starve. i'll be honest. the education departments point most did not really sort of object but i think it is what out if you provide 3, 4, 5 years you've seen even with his old genuine education they don't business circles. you had people still crowding increase their chances around him, go back even to 2006 when he was first charged down exponentially. fine. what are we arguing about? in florida. and we can pay for all of this. people were still hanging out with him and a lot of them we don't have to go out and didn't disassociate themselves spend $30 trillion or all these for years. i think people rationalized it billions and billions of dollars. what we can do this for, we can or didn't want to believe this is the person that i really know do it for another for example as hard as that may be to $35 billion a year. believe. >> people hanging out with him

just in education. after he left we should make sure every single solitary child who is qualified, and people coming back to school, because they've lost their jobs, everybody laughs about the -- i shouldn't say that. i'm not going to go there. but the point is, there is a real concern on the part of people who have jobs now about "the washington post" reports the two party partied together this fourth industrial revolution. i've been speaking about it for for years starting in the late six years. people are deathly afraid. 1980s and mar-a-lago and you guys, all of you press people, you're in jeopardy. epstein's new york mansion. i'm not joking. the paper reports in 2004, a you're great people but look what's happening to you. you're in a situation where the massive oceanfront mansion in digital world is changing. palm beach, both of them trying you have a totally different to sabotage the other's effort deal. if you're print newspaper, hang to snag the property. on, baby. it became months before hang on. so it's changing. you understand what i mean. allegations that epstein was i don't expect you to agree. sexually abusing teen age girls. i'm not trying to get the press -- >> mr. vice president, given that trump won michigan what do nbc has reached out. you see being your biggest challenge in this state since he won it last time? we have not heard back. >> i can win michigan. they know me. i've worked my whole life. i come from middle class. "the washington post" political

i understand it. reporter, roslyn, help us i know what's going on. understand this particular and if you notice, i promise mansion, what happened between the two men, because is this the you, if i get the nomination, i same house trump later sold to a will win michigan. i promise you that. russian? >> good memory. i will win pennsylvania. this is the win and tone and th. i will win ohio. i will win these states that he the house he ends up selling got 72 extra thousand votes on to give himself an election. four years later to a russian businessman. look, folks, it is not that there was this great migration trump said in the wake of the epstein charges that he and to him. jeffrey epstein had a falling it didn't occur. out 15 years ago. we're talking about 72,500 votes the way he put it was vague. and 15 years would peg the in three states of change. otherwise hillary clinton would falling out to predate the be president with a margin of investigation. over 3 million votes. it happens to be exactly the time of their rivalry over this >> mr. vice president, a lot of democrats are saying -- big mansion in palm beach. >> quickly about health care. and we can't guarantee that's what trump was referring to. >> yes. >> do you think you drew sharp enough contrast with the more but the bidding between them got liberal elements of the pretty hot. >> okay. democratic party? would you say your plan is more so the bidding between them got moderate? how do you get people to buy pretty hot, but to the best of into it. >> no, it is not more moderate. my recollection, trump never even lived there. look. for my entire career in the and then four years later, he senate i was listed never below sells it to a russian, to your point, at twice the price. one to 25 most liberal people in >> exactly. >> so what do we know about the

the united states senate. okay? i guess you guys had call me a bidding war and why these two men wanted the house so badly? moderate when i was running for >> so, it was prime real estate re-election back in delaware. right on the atlantic, in i would have won by 80%. here is the deal. there is nothing moderate about beautiful palm beach. what barack did in obama care. we don't entirely know, we know nothing. no president had come close. that epstein told people he had and they tried and they tried been interested in living in the home. it was owned by a nursing home and they tried. seven presidents. this guy did an incredible magnate who had bought it 16 thing. in addition to that, he covered years earlier. who had actually purchased from a hundred million people who had preexisting conditions. he allowed kids to stay on their les wexner. parents' policies until they're >> so les wexner, who during 26 years old. this time period had given he covered 20 million more people. we tried to get the medicare jeffrey epstein power of option added to it. attorney over all of his we couldn't get it done. financial assets, originally i will get it done this time owned the house? because the people have realized then sells it to the nursing what it's about. home person, and then the they figured it out. but, folks -- nursing home guy sells it to >> what about veterans? trump? >> well, so, the nursing home >> what about veterans? guy actually loses it in look, one of the things that my wife and michelle did and one of bankruptcy. so, what you have is a the things we worked on is bankruptcy auction. veterans are being left behind and we were able to actually get in so many ways. the transcript of that auction. we need, for example, we need everyone was represented by lawyers but donald trump chose another 75,000 psychiatric

to take part himself by nurses. i carry a card with me. i have it every day. telephone. jeffrey epstein was sort of supposed to get the house. it has my schedule on it. he came in with a high bid. every single day i have the stat but then there was an auction. and donald trump ends up check with the defense department how many people have outbidding him for it. died. >> and that's when the rift was. how many people have died or are wounded in these wars? and then the two were never because every one of them left behind a community. simpatico again? >> well, not that we've been every one of those fallen angels left behind -- and we owe them. able to see. we can't guarantee that. but we do know that the last it's not 6,8730 some. time there's sort of a public tracking of them and in drafting were two voice mail messages it's 6,678 precisely have died so far. here is the thing not told. that donald trump left for jeffrey epstein in the very same we have 300,000 people coming month as this house auction. >> quickly, before we go. home from afghanistan, iraq, and the wars in the middle east, donald trump bought it around with post traumatic stress. $40 million and sold it how many we have more people committing years later at $90 million? >> he did do renovations and he suicide who are veterans than are getting killed in battle. we need to care for them. sells it four years later for $95 million. that's why when i was a senator he more than doubles his invest i changed the law saying that by selling it to a russian anyone who had ever been exposed oligarch. >> was that in step with the to acid rain no longer had to rest of the real estate market prove the circumstances that they in fact, their immune some palm beach? >> you know, it wasn't.

system was compromised because there were a lot of people of it. just prove it happened to you writing about that home sale. and you get coverage. the same way i did when the i will say that the russian ended up dividing it into president agreed when we said multiple properties and selling anyone who has, comes back, so it himself. many people coming back with he just sold the last piece last brain injuries because of the month. and he did in the end make more than he had purchased it for concussion. more amputees and more brain from trump. although, of course, it took him injuries than any war i'm aware ten years. of on a percentage basis. >> all right. my, how tangled. here's the deal. now guess what? all you have to prove is you we went from les wexner to were in an area where there was donald trump, to jeffrey epstein concussion and if you have to a russian oligarch, my something wrong, any brain injury, you get covered. we got to do a lot more. goodness, roslyn helderman of i have to go, guys. >> democrats are saying they the "washington post." want to see a matchup with on some issues, going after elizabeth warren. how do you stack up against her? joe biden means to hit him on the obama legacy. >> from one presidential today's big question, can 2020 contender to another, 2020 presidential contender jay democrats challenge parts of the inslee joins mae now. obama legacy without alienating the party's base? governor, i'm sorry i was late don't forget, both obamacare and right there. we were sharing some sound from barack obama hugely popular with vice president joe biden speaking to reporters. democrats. i don't know if you heard what you're watching "velshi & ruhle." he said but what was interesting, he was criticizing all who were attacking him last you make time... when you can.

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raise this year in the united tell your doctor if you've been to areas states. where certain fungal infections are common, so, yes. we need to do these things. and if you've had tb, donald trump is horrifically out hepatitis b, are prone to infections, of touch with the lives of real or have flu-like symptoms or sores. americans. don't start humira if you have an infection. this is not about -- he lives in a mar-a-lago universe. help stop the clock on further irreversible joint damage. we live in a universe of plants talk to your rheumatologist. shutting down in michigan. we will have a nominee if we right here. right now. have somebody who is really humira. standing up for working people. i am willing to do that. >> you also said at the first i'mi'm gonna dropim kick him, and him.e. debate the biggest geo political no that's face smash guy. risk we face is donald trump. that's drop kick guy. such a diva. that argument wasn't made over the last two nights and the white house is saying it was a win for them last night. the white house looked at all of that infighting and said, this is exactly what we wanted to happen. what do you say to that? well, this is a very busy >> we're going to have a nominee hour. thank you for watching this el to defeat donald trump. condition of "road to the final i don't know how he considers four." guess what, my partner ali himself a winner. last night i said something that velshi will be vac here i believed. >> which is? tomorrow. he'll be speaking with >> that white nationalism does presidential contender andrew not belong in the white house. yang. maybe andrew will wear a tie.

if he considers that a win, he's stick around, kasie hunt picks a sick person. up the coverage. he's not winning when he is we've been talking the markets dividing this nation. we will be united in part while sitting here the market's dropped 55 points. because we understand universally throughout the party >> it did. the threat that he represents to for now, good afternoon, i'm kasie hunt in for katy tur. the nation. and i'm looking forward to future debates and i hope people it's 11:00 a.m. out west and can go to jay inslee.com right now and send in a buck to make 2:00 p.m. in washington. sure that the climate message the democratic field has barely stays on the stage to help that taken shape when former happen. i need to be on the stage to president barack obama offered this advice to his party. push that. share my view go to jay >> one of the things i do worry inslee.com. i appreciate it. >> you did call out the about sometimes, among president last night. progressives in the united it is a big statement to say the states, maybe it's true here as person living in the white house well, is a certain kind of is a white nationalist but at the same time your messaging isn't resonating with the rigidity, where we say, ahh, i'm sorry, this is how it's go to african-american community. you are polling in the negative be. and then we start sometimes while joe biden is at 53%. creating what's called a how do you plan to address this? circular firing squad. >> introduce myself to the community. i was in predominantly black you start shooting at your allies because one of them is

community, zip code 217 in straying from purity. detroit yesterday. the third time i visited. on the issues. i think if you talk to folks there they'll realize i have >> flash forward, four months to embodied the need to have last night. and what we saw was a 2020 field environmental justice in our climate change plans. eager to take on itself and even i've been very active in my obama himself. state fighting racial disparity, one of the first governors to >> so, i talked to health offer pardons to folks who had been caught up in the drug laws. i've eliminated the death insurance say their health insurance isn't working for penalty. we've now taken major steps to them. tens of millions of americans don't even have health end the school to prison insurance. >> in 2019 in america, for a pipeline. we've re-established affirmative democrat to be running for president with a plan that does action in my state. we're a state that has embraced not cover everyone, i think is diversity as a virtue and i was without excuse. the very first governor and i'm >> vice president biden, i didn't hear your response when proud of this to stand up the issue came up with all of against donald trump's racist those deportations. you were vice president of the muslim ban. united states. so i'm ready to take up the need >> mr. vice president, it looks like one of us has learned to reunite this country after the damage that has been caused bay donald trump. i look forward to getting to know folks during this campaign. >> the one thing that has stood in the way of the president

being able to advance parts of his agenda, like the muslim ban, are the courts. that wasn't discussed last night. the federal judicial system. this week alone the senate advanced 13 of president trump's lifetime judicial appointments. mitch mcconnell is very good at pumping conservative judges through. president trump's most loyal base, evangelicals, can look and say we've got two supreme court justices and a record number of federal judges. is that something democrats should be focused on? >> yes. and we are focused on it, my state. >> i didn't hear it last night. >> we have now sued donald trump -- well give me 30 more seconds and i'll share it with you. actually last night i did say we have now beat donald trump in my state 21 times in a row. our excellent attorney general bob ferguson, 21-0 defeating donald trump on the muslim ban, on child separation, a host of issues. so we understand that.

now, i have to express some disappointment with my competitors, who are in the senate. i don't think they've been recognizing that we have to take away the filibuster from mitch mcconnell. we have to stop giving them a pass. they've approved his judge selections so they can go on recess. these are lifetime appointments. these lifetime appointments, stopping mitch mcconnell and donald trump from putting these conservative judges on the bench is more important than their vacation frankly. so i'm expressing a little disappointment. we need to stand up strong against mitch mcconnell in the senate. that is the only way our progressive agenda will advance and i'm committed to that. >> do you have an uphill battle? we know where you're polling. you haven't yet qualified for the next debate. climate change is massively important. you have a deep understanding that it's not just about the environment. it impacts every aspect of our lives. but do you have to convince

millions of americans to make this a top priority? for many, it's abstract. for others, they won't even acknowledge it. >> well, listen. it's not an abstraction when your house burns down in california or your farm is flooded in the midwest or the seas are taking over the first floor of your house in florida. this is a real thing. i believe this is a message, it is the vital question of our time, and we're going like gang busters, great momentum in the last 24 hours. that message i had last night that i was unique in making this the top priority is resonating with thousands of people. i hope others will join us at jay inslee.com. with that i got to catch a plane and go win some votes out west. >> good luck to you. it is full steam ahead. >> thank you. >> governor jay inslee off a big night in detroit. stay with us here on msnbc to hear from more presidential candidates today. congresswoman tulsi gabbard will be here live at 3:00 p.m.

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>> can you believe it's only thursday? the second democratic primary debate is now officially over. night two was as contentious as

predicted. it wasn't all biden as the candidates called out president trump by name more than 160 times. that surprised me. certainly didn't feel that way with everyone jockeying for their last chance to grab voters' attention before the debate qualifications double even the friendly exchanges got a bit nasty. >> the first thing i'm going to do when i'm president is clorox the oval office. >> mr. president, this is america. and we are stronger and great because of this diversity, mr. president. not in spite of it. >> mr. vice president you want to be president of the united states. you need to be able to answer the tough questions. i guarantee you if you're debating donald trump he is not going to let you off the hook. >> we need to do the opposite of

much what we're doing right now and the opposite of donald trump. as an asian man who likes math. >> senator harris says she is proud of her record as a prosecutor and that she'll be a prosecutor of the president but i'm deeply concerned about this record. there are too many examples to cite, but she put over 1500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it. >> last night thon stage one of your democratic rivals suggested running on medicare for all would get donald trump elected. do you agree, sir? >> i agree it makes it much more likely. >> decades of presidents have tried to reform the health care system of america. barack obama actually did it. but in his own words he has said it was a starter house. >> you can't have it both ways. you invoke president obama more than anybody in this campaign. you can't do it when it is convenient and dodge it when it's not. >> i'm not going to sucker punch the vice president. i am not a hard guy to figure out. >> we have a predator living in the white house and i'm going to

tell you something donald trump has a predatory nature and predatory instincts. >> mr. vice president it looks like one of us has learned the lessons of the past and one of us hasn't. my immigration plan would also fix the broken legal immigration system because we do vary problem with that. >> we can no longer allow a white nationalist to be in the white house, number one. and number two, we have to make america what it's always been, a place of refuge. i've never been a black teenager pulled over in a white neighborhood. i've never been a woman talked over in a meeting. i've never been an lgbtq member subject to a slur. and so i have believed i have an added responsibility, double responsibility to deal with racial disparity. >> i want to bring in "the washington post" political reporter eugene scott, cnbc editor at large john harwood and nbc news correspondent my dear

friend, kara lee. joe biden spoke a few moments ago. i've already seen on twitter people saying why didn't today's joe show up last night? he was vigorously defending himself and president obama's record basically saying are we really going to relitigate every possible decision made by me and a massively popular president i.e. obama when we are currently in an emergency situation with president trump? help us understand the strategy of all of those candidates going after obama and biden and not the sitting president. >> well, i think these candidates would say they are doing both but primarily going against trump but also highlighting the concerns about the obama administration that may have turned some voters off among the progressive base as well as swing voters. i think many of these democrats really do obviously respect obama and want to expand on his

legacy that it's popular but they also want to show they have their own visions for america, that they are bringing something new to the table and that they aren't afraid to pivot in a different direction from this president who has so much respect from liberals in the party. i think it was the right idea for some of them to try to communicate that they won't be simply a continuation of the obama administration because, quite frankly, talking to some voters that is what turned them off about hillary clinton, who repeatedly said she would be the best person to expand on this legacy. >> it's obvious the democratic party has a massive tent. if their number one goal is to defeat donald trump everybody has to get under it. it wasn't just obama policies. you had candidates like bill de blasio going after nafta 2.0, which as we speak nancy pelosi is working on trying to get through. >> yes, steph, you know, you hit on a really good point, which is that, you know, democrats say

this is all about beating donald trump. that is the primary goal. but clearly, right now, the primary goal for all of them is to get some sort of traction for their campaigns. what we saw last night was various efforts to do that by cutting, you know, trying to lift themselves up by cutting somebody else down or going after thaes other policies and you saw this sort of cannibalizing from within the party. you're probably going to see a little bit more of that until the field narrows and there is a nominee. particularly now that the field is so large there is a small number of voters everybody is trying to get a piece of. so they have to try to figure out different ways to do that. and clearly, they've decided last night the way to do that was to go after each other and after democratic policies. that's going to continue until there is a nominee. to the extent that any of them can also keep the focus on going after donald trump, you know, that may wind up being more of a

winning message because i think one of the questions coming out of last night's debate is after the first debate it worked really well for kamala harris to go after joe biden and she gained traction. will the numbers in the polls go up? will the money come in for the candidates who decided that being aggressive was the way to go last night? we don't know yet. >> john, it was two outside candidates, both tuesday and wednesday night -- marianne williams the first night who said enough of this policy wank-a-thon we need to address the serious issues. last night andrew yang was the only one to clearly bring up the future of jobs and all the jobs currently at risk. he went into artificial intelligence. i want to share what he said. >> the greatest economic transformation in our history, artificial intelligence is coming. it is going to displace hundreds of thousands of call center workers, truck drivers, the most common job in 29 states

including this one. you know who suffers most in a natural disaster. it's people of color, people who have lower levels of capital and education and resources. >> this, why isn't this a bigger issue for candidates? president trump pushed the tax cut and deregulation because he said we're going to get businesses growing and hiring. when businesses invest in 2019, they are not giving laverne and shirley their jobs back at the bottle factory. they're investing in technology and automation that is going to put more people out of business. how is this not a bigger focus for every candidate up there? >> a good question, steph. i think you're going to see some candidates following andrew yang there. it sounds to some people a little futuristic and robots and artificial intelligence aren't as prominent in our economy as they're going to be five years from now, ten years from now, 15 years from now. but it's a significant economic issue they have to address.

both williamson and yang because they're so different from the other candidates on the stage have the opportunity to grab attention if they do with el. they both did it effectively in somewhat different ways. i want to go back to your initial question to eugene. joe biden was so much more effective in that news conference we just carried than he has been in either of these two debates. he was cogent. he made sense. he made a rational argument for why president obama's decisions aren't really worth nit picking right now because the world has changed, the debate has changed. donald trump has changed things. all of those are themes that i would expect joe biden to do a better job of highlighting going forward than he has so far. he just did it there. >> well, then, could that be part of it? eugene, ten candidates on the stage, largely focused on taking down or significantly focused on taking down joe biden in 30-second increments.

when we get to the next stage, when the campaigns are whittled down and there are fewer candidates is that when we're going to see joe biden on more solid ground like we saw a few moments ago? to john's point a few moments ago that was sort of the vest of biden. >> i don't know if a debate stage is the left place for biden to communicate his vision for america but the reality is he is going to have to if that is what he twoonts do, be president of the united states. i think more training and practice quite frankly for someone who's been doing this longer than many of his competitors is going to be necessary to bring him closer to what we just saw when he was in a gaggle. the reality is vice president joe biden's most recent political experience was in the white house or working in the oval office with the president. and so to attack him kind of is to attack obama and the candidates are really just in a tough position if they want to keep the support of many people

who are longing for a time where obama was in charge and if they want to move people who weren't really moved by the obama administration to vote for them. >> carol, walk us through the next six weeks. most people would think this is the dog days of summer but right now only seven candidates qualify for the next debate stage. three more are likely to. that leaves ten. what are those ten going to do? >> well, i think you're going to see a lot of the candidates crisscrossing the country. we've already seen they're out campaigning today. that will continue. trying to raise money. you know, the way to raise money now is the small donors. trying to gain traction there to see who can put the most points on the board in terms of fundraising. the first polls that, to come out post debate will be very significant in terms of how everybody lines up. but i think you're just going to see more of as the field narrows everyone trying to kind of hone in on what they see as their piece of the debate or the

discussion that has, for them, it is the most viable. because everyone's trying to slug it out for like we were talking about earlier, a limited face of voters. >> carol lee, john harwood, eugene scott. john harwood, i'm not going to let you leave. would you like to know why? because i believe the president may have been watching cable news. he may have looked at the last 33 minutes and realized we hadn't talked about him much so he just tweeted. stick around. when we come back we'll talk about what the president just tweeted about. here's a hint. it's about china. ♪ i want it that way... i can't believe it. that karl brought his karaoke machine? ♪ ain't nothing but a heartache... ♪

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welcome back. we have breaking news. president trump says additional tariffs on china go into effect september 1st. he tweets this in part. additional tariff of 10% on the remaining $300 billion of goods and products coming from china into our country. this does not include the $250 billion already tariffed at 25%. i told you before the break i was making john harwood stick around. john, the president said they thought they were getting a deal with china three months ago. now here they are. steve mnuchin, back from china.

no deal done. what is your thought here? and the markets are down. >> reporter: markets down a couple hundred points since those tweets. what we know about president trump is he says a lot of words and a very large percentage of those words don't mean very much. he's talked about making a deal. doesn't happen. he then talks about china is going to buy stuff. he lays it all out himself in the tweet. he said they're going to buy agricultural products. they say what is he talking about? they don't do it. so he is sort of lurching from one position to the other. doesn't really have a clear end game. i think the best the markets have been hoping for is that we simply get a cease fire and kick the can. but he has trouble getting to that modulated position and so it looks embarrassing when he doesn't have a deal. he has to strike back. and then my guess is the next thing that will happen is he

will then say, well, i'm postponing tariffs like this to try to calm the markets down. we'll see. >> what would the impact -- take me to september 1st. if we see another what is it, 300 billion in tariffs, what would that do? because, yes. we have a rate cut so that should quiet the market a little bit. but at the same time, this farm aid being doled out to by the way the biggest farms out there because soybeans and other agricultural products are not being bought by china is hurting america. it's the reason we're having this uncertainty. >> yes. and that's a bad trade between those two developments because economists tell me that the impact, the damage economically of tariffs hits faster than the benefits of lower rates do. and so there's a time lag issue. i think that if the president follows through with these tariffs, you're going to see the rate -- the odds of a recession in 2020, which economists now

peg at maybe 40% or so are going to go up significantly. we already have a significant slowdown in the economy, 2% in the second quarter. looking at back to a 2% level instead of the mid 2s or high 2s as we had been hoping for. of course didn't get 3% in 2018 as the president promised. so our economic outlook is likely to get weaker. >> john, that is a huge priority for the president. won't that push him to make a deal with china? >> yes. >> xi jinping even if china is suffering economically is going to be in power for the rest of his life. president trump needs a winning economy. you know as well as i do there are scores of americans who say, i don't love him. i don't like him. in fact, i'm disgusted by him but with the economy humming and my 401(k) where it is, i'm going to have to vote for him again. if he doesn't have the economy in his back pocket, he's in trouble. >> oh, i think he's in trouble either way. but yes.

you're making a very rational point. i'm not sure the president is a rational actor on some of these things. if he was being rational, he wouldn't have said some of the racist things that he said about elijah cummings. and the squad. those things don't help him. we see a lot of people having been alienated. we know a lot of people who were satisfied with the economy don't like his behavior and therefore withhold their support. it is possible that what donald trump and again i don't want to impute too much strategy to what he does because he acts on impulse, but it is possible donald trump looks at a pretty good economy as not having put him in a very strong position in the polls and say, well, look. the whole culture war, the sort of issues surrounding racial resentment are the most powerful thing for my base. maybe i'll just do that and tariffs are sort of an extension of that. they're different but, you know, maybe he wants the combat, the

tough trump rather than trying to cruise on economic good times. >> i don't know, john. it could be strategy. the president launches an attack on baltimore and elijah cummings and suddenly we're not talking about the robert mueller hearing, not talking about jeffrey epstein. the president goes after the squad and suddenly the entire democratic party stands together and the squad is elevated so the president can advance a narrative that the entire democratic party are far left progressives. and the president wanted a rate cut and we know the trade war helped him get one. john harwood, thank you so much. >> well, that might be, steph, the answer to your question about why he would risk the economic damage of these tariffs. >> inside the mind of donald trump. neither you nor i have the answer. all right. thanks, john. we have two big stories when we come back. on the accused child rainist jeffrey epstein. number one, his reported plan to seed the human race with his

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