mitchell reports," the winning hand. hillary clinton draws the right card in vegas and gets help from another player. >> i did say it was a mistake. i am still standing. i am happy to be part of this debate. >> let me say something that may not be great politics. the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you. >> that was the moment everyone remembers and the handshake afterwards. i later asked bernie sanders why he said it. his response and a lot more coming up next. full house. i also spoke with hillary clinton's campaign chairman late last night about the shadow non-candidate joe biden. >> if there's going to be the next debate, then there are going to be six candidates, then he should announce his intentions and get in. >> and do it now as you said. >> well, at some point he needs to make a decision. and trump's take. after live tweeting during the debate, donald trump talks exclusively to nbc's katy tur how he thought hillary clinton did last night.

>> i think he did her job. i think she got through the debate. i personally thought she won the debate. i thought bernie was off. he was not doing so well. i thought that the other people shouldn't even be up there, to be honest with you. hello, everyone. the day after the big debate here in las vegas where hillary clinton scienced some doubters and may have ended any draft biden readers, she hopes. the debate shows why democrats think the former secretary of state remains the party's clear frontrunner. but a big night for clinton won't slow the bernie sanders surge. and now she moves on to her next hurdle. next week's benghazi hearing on capitol hill. john pedezda is joining me now. thank you very much for being with us. i hope you got a little bit of

sleep. but the impact of her performance. >> a couple hours, andrea. >> if that. clearly it is now down to hillary clinton and bernie sanders. how did he help her or hurt her, do you think, if you could take a step back? >> how did he help her? i'm sorry, i had a little trouble hearing you. >> well, bernie sanders -- >> look, i think she was -- yeah, i think she was in command of that debate. she laid out her vision of what she wanted to do, the fight she wanted to take on behalf of the american people. but there's no question that bernie was gracious in that moment. and i think he really said something that was on the top of the minds of millions of democrats across the country, which is enough already with the e-mails. let's talk about the candidates and what they can do to prove the lives of hard-working americans. and i thought the debate, in general, was really substantive

and we are really obviously very pleased with it. >> well, she also did right out of the box have to deal with the question of being a flip-flopper and veering to the left. let's take a look at that moment in the campaign, in the debate rather with anderson cooper. >> you were against same sex marriage and now you're for it. you defended president obama's immigration policies and now say they are too harsh. you supported his trade deal dozens of times and called it the goal standard. >> take the trade deal. i did say when i was secretary of state three years ago i hoped it would be the gold standard. it was just finally negotiated last week. and in looking at it, it didn't meet my standards. >> now, doesn't that make her vulnerable in a general election campaign? >> i don't think so, andrea. obviously people evolve, they learn. same sex marriage is a place that now commands support of a majority of the american people. but it didn't, you know, just a few years ago. and i think she's been a

champion for lgbt rights. and on the trade matter, as she said, she set a high bar. when she looked at the final deal that was only negotiated last week, she couldn't look the american people in the eye and say that passage of this deal would raise their wages. that's the standard. she set out that cause before the american people as the thing that she wants to vote or to devote her presidency to. so she came to that decision reluctantly, but it was a substantive judgment, particularly based on the fact that the currency manipulation provisions were not put in the core of the agreement. those have cost millions -- well, at least tens of thousands of jobs in this country. maybe as many as millions of jobs in this country when countries manipulate their currency to lower the exports and raise the price of our

exports to them. >> on these economic issues, bernie sanders not only defended himself as a democratic socialist but really, you know, it evolved into a debate over his economic approach versus her economic approach. do you think the democratic party can go into a fall campaign with a self-described democratic socialist who says he's not a capitalist as the standard there? >> well, you know, what i think we're going to do is go into a fall campaign with someone who believes in the american economy. that's hillary clinton. who will prosecute the case that we need to rein in the excesses. but the ability to invest to create small businesses, to innovate, create great businesses and jobs in this country, build the middle class. i think we'll go in with a strong record. what president obama has done to

stabilize the economy after the recession. so i think that's where the fall is -- that's what the fall is going to look like. >> do you think that this is the field? you were pretty outspoken last night about joe biden. did her debate performance send a signal the way she used barack obama to explain away her fairly unpopular vote against the iraq war, for instance, saying that barack obama had that same position against the iraq war and he chose me as his secretary of state. she used obama almost as a shield. was that also sending a message to joe biden, if you get into this race, you're going to have to fight with me for the obama legacy? >> look, i think she was saying that president obama trusted her judgment to conduct foreign policy. i think with respect to vice president biden, you know, she and he are friends. they will have a healthy substantive debate if he decides to get in. but as i said last night, i think it's time for him to make

that decision. we have now -- this debate has been joined. we're talking about different ideas, about how to take the country forward, how to improve and build upon what president obama has achieved. and if vice president biden wants to enter and compete for the presidency, then it is time he make that decision. and, you know, i think that we will have a healthy and respectful debate amongst friends about the direction of the economy, the direction of foreign policy. but she is very proud to have served president obama. >> you have sent a pretty strong signal, have you sent it privately in more explicit terms, have you been in touch with people close to the vice president or the vice president himself? >> well, look, i think -- he's been through a tremendous tragedy. and we've been respectful about that. and i think he deserved the space and the time to think that through about whether that -- it

was best for him to begin this new challenge to try to mount a presidential campaign. but i think the time has come for a decision. so that at the next debate, if he does decide to get in, there will be six podiums on the stage. >> thank you very much. john podesta, hope you can get some rest. and bernie sanders may be getting some rest and may have won the debate when it came to fund-raising. he raised $1.3 million following the first four hours of the start of the debate. amid a crush of reporters, i spoke to bernie sanders in the spin room last night about his performance and what he thinks it all means. >> well, what i think it means, that there is a lot more anger and frustration at the political and economic establishment than many people perceive. and people are just really angry that they're working longer hours for lower wages and almost all the new wealth and income

created in this country is going to the top 1%. and people really are saying, this is what i'm seeing all over this country. enough is enough. it is not a radical idea. to suggest that the united states government should represent the middle class and working families rather than just wall street and the billionaires. and that's why i think we're generating a lot of excitement. >> senator, another moment, a big moment was when you came to hillary clinton's defense saying enough of the e-mails and directing it back towards policy. why did you do that? >> well, it was kind of a spontaneous response. and what i was saying is, andrea, there is a process taking place, an investigation taking place with regard to the e-mails. let it take its course. but what the american people want to know is why they can't afford to send their kids to college. why we are the only major country on earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all people. why the rich get richer and everybody else gets poorer. why we are not addressing

climate change. why we have a corrupt campaign finance system. we have got to talk about that. you tell me. you talk to the whole media. you tell me, have we talked about enough of the major issues facing working families? i was simply saying, let the e-mail process take its course but let's address the real issues addressing the american people. >> and one more question. john podesta said today, it's time for joe biden to make his decision. he's had his time, he's had his moment, but the campaign is moving on. we've had our first debate. how do you feel about joe biden? >> i'm not going to give joe advice. joe is a friend. it's a very difficult decision for him. and he will do what he thinks is best for his family and for his political future. so i'm not going to give him advice. and donald trump tried to horn in on the democratic debate last night by live tweeting throughout. just moments ago katy tur sat

down for an interview with donald trump at his campaign headquarters in new york and began by asking him what he could be doing differently in his campaign. >> i never look back. i look to look forward. i like to learn from the past and have learned. >> so what have you learned for the next 118 days? >> i think perhaps -- i can watch my words a little bit. maybe be a little more politically correct. but to be honest with you, i think one of the reasons i'm doing well is because i don't want to -- being politically correct takes a lot of time. it takes a lot of effort. we don't have time to always be politically correct. and i can be more politically correct than anybody that you've ever interviewed. but it takes a lot of time to do it. and you're going around in different circles and never getting there. we don't have time for it any more, kate. >> will you change-up your language? >> i don't think i'll do much different. >> katy tur is joining me from just outside trump tower in new

york. katy, what else did you draw from this interview? >> reporter: it was just such a different interview than the first time i sat down with him, andrea. that one was so combative. he was so defensive about a lot of things. and this one, he seemed much more at ease with the idea that he's the front-runner for the republican nomination for the office of president of the united states. to have him say that he would do things differently, that he would try to be more pc, even a little bit, is so surprising. i haven't heard him say anything of that nature. he's never said that he has any regrets. so that was really interesting. we also asked him about ben carson, he's doing pretty well in the polls. the fox news latest poll saying he's 23 to trump's 24. and that's within the margin of error. i asked trump what he thinks about that and he says he wishes ben carson would attack him so he could attack ben carson. of course, ben carson is refusing to attack anybody. so it will be interesting to see how he approaches that. i also asked him a little bit

about the debate last night, of course, and he did have a few opinions. take a listen. bernie had a moment last night when he depended hillary clinton. he came off as magnanimous. could you see yourself that way to one of your competitors? >> yes. i could. and i could be very magnanimous if i needed to be. but bernie made a mistake. he took a situation that is a very serious situation where hillary is investigated by the fbi and gave it away. he just gave it away. he can never bring it up again. it's not like he's winning, he's losing big if you look countrywide. so i think he made a mistake. >> she thinks the republicans are pushing benghazi. do you find that to be the case? do you think we have done enough on this and should move on as a country? >> well, certainly it wasn't helped by what's been happening over the last week or so. but i would say this, it's not the biggest thing in terms of my own thought process. i have a lot of respect for trey

and the people on the committee. and i think they are legitimately honorable people doing the right thing. benghazi is one of many, many things. i mean, hillary had a very bad record as secretary of state. she had tremendous mistakes and -- just look at the whole world that's blowing up around us. and it was during her term, essentially, plus a couple years of carry. and then carry goes down as the worst of all time because of the horrible deal. i think these very much depending that deal and trying to depend it. but hillary has had such a bad time as secretary of state that i really think that she is going to be rather easy to beat. >> reporter: even his demeanor and his language talking about hillary clinton is different. you can see that he's really evolving as a candidate. his campaign staff even much more controlled than they were from the last time that i did a sit-down with him. and we have seen that on thement can pain trail as well.

they are reigning him in, ushering him out of events and having him shake hands as well. he's really becoming a politician, if you will. we'll have the entire interview uncut once again coming up in the 1:00 hour. andrea, it's got some interesting stuff in there. you should definitely look forward to watching it it. >> katy, good job. he's completely wrong about hillary clinton on the iran deal since she has repeatedly endorsed it. so she hasn't been silent on that at all. but more to come at 1:00. thank you so much, katy. and does consistency in politics matter? a post-debate round-up coming up next. and later, our man? j in jerusalem we have an eyewitness account. that's coming up on "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc.

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hillary clinton has been veering left in recent weeks. this led to a tough question from anderson cooper. >> you'll say anything to get elected. >> actually, i have been consistent over the course of my entire life. i have always fought for the same values and principles, but like most human beings, including those of us who run for office, i do absorb new information. i do look at what is happening in the world. >> do you change your political identity based on who you're talking to? >> no. i think that, like most people that i know, i have a range of views. but they are rooted in my values and my experience. and i don't take a backseat to anyone when it comes to progressive experience and progressive commitment. >> just for the record, are you a progresser or a moderate? >> i'm a progressive. but i'm a progressive who likes to get things done. and i know how to find common ground. and i know how to stand my ground. >> and joining me now for more

on tuesday's debate, "the washington post's" anne geran and chris solisa. you were out here watching this all with me last night, the strong performance from hillary clinton and bernie sanders, does that deny joe biden a rationale for getting into this race, especially because of how well clinton did as the mainstream candidate? >> well, to the extent that a biden decision rests partly on the question of whether hillary is weak and leaves some room sort of within the democratic party and the establishment wing of the party for him, she was trying very hard to occupy that ground and close that door. your interview with john podesta, he all but said so, it's time for biden to make a decision. and clearly in podesta's mind and in clinton's mind, they want that decision to be made with the clear knowledge that she had a very, very strong debate

performance. there really weren't any big seams or cracks in either what she said policywise or in her presentation. certainly i think she had a lot to say that as you pointed out in the start is meant to show her as a progressive alongside or liberal alongside sanders. but as she said in her own words, the one to get things done. that's the image she was trying to project. >> chris, the president and vice president are having lunch today. if you can imagine that conversation, they are both politicians and have both debated hillary clinton. so now they are sitting there, they are clearing taking measure of her performance. and while a lot of people have said she's not a great retail campaigner, she's an acknowledged debate star, the most experienced debator of any politician right now. >> yeah, i wrote something this morning on how she wouldn't be surprised that she was as good

as she was. this is someone in the last two debates she has thought well on her feet. she's comfortable. she has considerable knowledge at her disposal and is able to do it. she attacked, i thought, quite well. i was surprised at how aggressive she was with bernie sanders on guns, but she absolutely dominated him on that. so, look, there's a few things. number one, as you point out, the most experienced debater on the stage. look at the 2008 field she was debating against. say what you want about joe biden, he has a lot of experience in these settings, debates. barack obama is someone with obviously natural gifts as a communicator. john edwards may have been the best debator of the bunch. but there were none of those candidates. bernie sanders has that appeal of the debater but this field is not comparable to that field.

>> of course this was a challenge for her, but remarkably she's got a tougher challenge next week. and let's show a bit of her taking on the benghazi committee and the republicans. >> this committee is basically a public national committee, it is a partisan vehicle as admitted by the house republican majority leader, mr. mccarthy, to drive down my poll numbers. big surprise. and that's what they have attempted to do. i am still standing. i am happy to be part of this debate. this committee has spent $4.5 million of taxpayer money. and they said that they were trying to figure out what we could do better to protect our diplomats so something like benghazi wouldn't happen again. there were already seven committee reports about what to do. so i think it's pretty clear at what their obviously goal is.

but i'll be there. i'll answer their questions. >> anne, i know kevin mccarthy obviously handed her a big gift, but there's some pitfalls next week. this will be tougher than the debate performance as a challenge. >> it's also going to be a setting on thursday in which she has some demonstrated prowess. for many of the reasons she's a good debater, she's also a good witness. she's a lawyer, she thinks on her feet, she has sort of an immediate command of the material and is able to discuss it. usually in pretty even and convincing tones. that said, the last time she was at a big congressional hearing where she was asked questions about benghazi, it was not a great strong performance. it produced the angry moment that republicans have been using against her for two years now

where she said, what difference does it make? and that's one pitfall that she's going to have to avoid. >> yeah. the tonal issue. and also that there may be evidence, chris cillizza, that she's not aware of. they have been going through all of this. >> i think the questionnaire's piece is key evidence in this. there will be much more pointed questions, much more pointed than last night. the reality is bernie sanders has given hillary clinton a lot of help. he says, no one cares about your e-mails. i would suggest many democrats don't care but the public does care. that helps her but she won't have that friendly of an audience before congress. >> and they have to make sure they don't overplay their hand. so it is all perceptions. thank you very much. anne gearon, chris cillizza. up next, video of israeli police shooting and killed a suspected attacker outside the

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right now outside of the damascus gate relatively calm. you can hear the calls for prayers. police still maintain a very strong presence. it was exactly at this checkpoint that that individual today broke through with a knife and was ultimately shot by the police. since we caught this on camera for ourselves, police have come out to identify the palestinian man, a jerusalem resident here of this city. he was with a knife. as they attempted to stop him, police say he attempted to stab one of their officers before he managed to evade the checkpoint and then ultimately being shot. the situation as i was saying now relatively calm at this particular juncture of the city. but more importantly, there was an incident that just happened about an hour ago in central jerusalem at a bus stop where israeli police have confirmed there was a second stabbing. this one, another palestinian man, getting on a bus in the

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not be great politics. but i think the secretary is right. and that is that the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you. me too! me too! >> enough of the e-mails. let's talk about the real issues facing america. >> thank you, bernie. >> and joining me now, steve mcmahon, democratic strategist and co founder of purple strategies and vin weber, republican strategist to jeb bush supporter, previously with mitt romney last campaign. welcome both. steve, as a democrat looking at this debate, that was the moment where hillary clinton got a bailout. she got a lifeline from him. >> well, i the el you what, that's exactly the way i reacted to it the moment he said it. it was a great moment for hillary clinton. but let's be real, hillary clinton had a great night. it was the best day of her campaign so far. and if the dnc was trying to

protect her by having only six debates, we saw the folly of that strategy because she was at her best standing on that stage with those people. she had an unbelievable night. >> and vin weber, as a republican looking at this assessing someone who might be the general election nominee, what is your takeaway? >> that hillary clinton is still highly likely to be the democratic nominee for president. unless some external force like the fbi screws up her campaign. she's a very strong performer. and whoever has to run against her had better be prepared for a very tough debate performance. she proved herself to be really good last night. i don't think she changed the race the early on the democratic side, but that's probably okay because she's winning on the democratic side. but bernie sanders, in my view, is going to continue to hold on to the kind of support he's had. but she has solidified her position. since she's ahead, that's all she needs to do. >> steve, can bernie sanders win iowa and new hampshire and ironically hillary clinton survive because of a southern strategy in the march 1st

primary, super tuesday? >> yes. yes. i think you saw a couple of things that i think are issues that bernie sanders will have to deal with. one of them we saw last night, and that's the gun issue. when you're from a state like vermont, you take positions like bernie sanders takes that are not popular in the democratic primary. and you saw hillary clinton open him up like a piñata on that last night. the second thing is so far he's been unable to extend his appeal beyond white progressive younger or in some cases older, very well educated voters. he hasn't cracked the code on the african-american and latino voters. that's where joe biden would have strength. and that's going to be a challenge for him going forward. >> let me ask both of you, steve first then vin, does this almost shut the door on joe biden if she's watching, he was clearly watching, we knew he was going to watch from his house in d.c. last night, does he look at that and say, there isn't really something that i can do that will explain why i am running

with her performing so well? >> i'll answer first as a disinterested third party. i thought for a long time that vice president biden, who i have a lot of regard for, can't get into this race unless a consensus develops within the democratic party that hillary clinton can't win the general election. there's no such consensus today. and last night's debate performance makes it less likely that one will emerge. so i don't know how joe biden justifies getting in. he's got to come in to save a democratic party that concludes they are going to lose to the republicans, and that's just not how the democrats are feeling today, particularly after last night. >> and how much help does she get also to both of you by the disarray in the republican side. vin, let me ask you first, you were in the house for years, have you ever seen this kind of dysfunction in the republican caucus? not even after the departure of gingrich and livingston, at least then they were able to turn to a new speaker. >> yeah, i think, yes, there's

been a chaotic tun of events in the house. no question on that. i think my friend paul ryan still is capable of e merging as almost a consensus candidate for speaker. i think it's a good thing they are not trying to resolve it this week. that does not indicate in my mind continued chaos. instead, sort of a return to normalcy. but there's no question, the republican party needs to figure out its direction both in the house of representatives and in the presidential nominating process. we know what we're against. we have articulated that pretty clearly. the good news is a lot of the public agrees with us and are against it, too, but we have not articulated a positive forward vision for the party yet. and that's what is in my judgment overlying this problem we've got in terms of selecting either a presidential candidate or a leader in the house of representatives. >> i'm sorry, i was just going to say that the party's done a pretty good job saying what they are against. but i'm not saying that you're against immigration or women's rights is going to get you far. and i don't think the

dysfunction has been abated or addressed at all and is continuing. which is why there's no speaker or no speaker designated yet. it's chaos up there. >> it's not quite chaos. but i think your point, it looks good for you guys right now. >> we'll have to leave it there. until another day, thank you very much, vin weber, steve mcmahon. and can bernie sanders win by saying he's not a capitalist? tad devine, senior adviser for the sanders campaign is joining us live from las vegas. you're watching msnbc. after bru, listerine® total care strengthens teeth, helps prevent cavities and restores tooth enamel. it's an easy way to give listerine® total care to the total family. listerine® total care. one bottle, six benefits. power to your mouth™. i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on

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capitalist though? >> do i consider myself a part of the casino capitalist process by which so few have so much and so many have so little by which wall street's greed and recklessness ek whereckless ness wrecked this economy, no, i don't. >> i think what senator sanders is saying makes sense in the inequality we have, but we are not denmark. we are the united states of america and it is our job to rein in the excesses of capitalism so it doesn't run amuck and doesn't cause the kind of inequities we are seeing in our economic system. but we would be making a grave mistake to turn our backs on what built the greatest middle class in the history of the world. >> joining me now is tad devine, thank you for being with us, adviser to the sanders campaign. hillary clinton was aggressive in jumping in there to separate herself and riding his economic populist wave but also saying, we are capitalists, depending

small business. she was trying to make a distinction there and certainly going after him on guns. how do you feel the day after looking at the way she went after him? >> well, i feel great about the debate, andrea. i think last night bernie sanders demonstrated he's not only setting the agenda for the debate but setting the agenda for the election. the issues of income wealth and inequality, climate change being something we need to take on, national health insurance by medicare for all, college affordability, that's the agenda of this campaign and he's setting the pace. last night there were two opportunities for candidates to stand up to be big last night. bernie sanders when he walked into hillary clinton's e-mail issue and said enough is enough. and hillary had an opportunity to be the bigger person when the gun issue e rose. anderson cooper said, you don't think he's doing enough on guns and she said, no, not at all, he's not tough enough on guns. hillary clinton had a choice to

be big like bernie was when he stood up and threw back the attack against her toer to be political, which she chose to do. which she has chosen to do on a number of issues. that's her strategy, that's fine. our strategy is to tell truth to voters about what is happening in america and we think they will respond to that. >> well, could she argue that on guns she was being consistent, that she does not think that he and his votes against the brady handgun bill is doing enough? >> i think if bernie sanders had howard dean's a-rating from the nra, i heard steve mcmahon before, he should know about this, howard dean was a vermont leader and elected leader with an a-rating from the nra. there's no gun control in the state. bernie sanders has a lifetime d-minus rating from the nra. so no, i don't think it is credible to say what she said last night. and i don't think that argument is going to stick because the facts don't back it up. i think we'll win a debate on that but we're not going to have

a debate on that. we'll debate the issues that people care about. their economic issues that revolve around an economy held in place by a corrupt political system. that's the message and he's delivering it. >> why do you think she still has momentum, she still and the front-runner outside of the early voting states even though she has veered to the left and changed her positions as was pointed out by anderson cooper last night? >> well, i think her going left and changing her position is meant to win support, not lose it. so, i think that's a political tactic and not going to criticize them for having that tactic in terms of the democratic primary. we understand why they are doing it. but i think hillary is ahead in at lo of states where we have not engaged the electorate yet. bernie sanders was the first time for many people to see who he is and what he's talking about. i think we'll do well in this process. we are doing very well in new hampshire and iowa. i think our support here in

nevada is growing. i had a poll last week or earlier this week with us at 34 here. i think it's going to grow in south carolina. we had a great night in south carolina last night. so we'll be ready to compete at the front end of this process. people who get to know bernie sanders like him and he does well. and i think this process is set up for us to do very well at the front end and very well later on as well. >> in the south carolina polling, it does show he's still not getting support among minorities. and that is part of the democratic base. how do you overcome that problem? >> yeah. i'll tell you, andrea, i think we are very optimistic about how bernie sanders will do with african-american voters. last night was the first time he really got a chance to speak to a big audience. the first words out of his mouth when he spoke about an issue i think they cared deeply about was black lives matter. he talked about his agenda for lifting up african-american youth who have such a high rate of unemployment. he talked about issues they care about, the over incarceration of americans in african-american

societies and he's fought for american rights and civil rights since he was a college student. and that story of bernie sanders, which we are going to tell in a very big way in places like south carolina, we believe it's going to resonate with voters across the spectrum and win a lot of support from african-americans and latinos. we just had the first two congressional endorsements. the two co-chairmans of the progressive caucus, a latino and african-american, i think that harbors well for us what is coming in terms the of broader support from the communities. >> i know you're headed to los angeles next with events and he'll tape "ellen." we'll be watching to see if beer kn bernie sanders dances. >> yes, we'll find out if he does the bernie today. >> stay safe in your travels. up next, the big question hanging out there, what about joe biden? the latest from kristen

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and at this hour, president obama and vice president biden are at the white house for their weekly closed door lunch. kristen welker is joining me now from the white house. you were on biden watch, what's the latest? >> reporter: well, andrea, a little bit of a development here. vice president biden was asked by one of our poll reporters what he thought about last night's debate. here was his response, he said, i was proud of all of them. we have to make america better. i think they all did a good job. that was a rough log i just want to make that clear, but that was the essence of what he said. of course, andrea, he watched the debate from the sidelines last night. and the headlines today just blistering, some suggesting that clinton boxed him out because her performance was so strong. i have spoken to some of his supporters saying her showing

was strong. others source to his campaign say he knows he has to come out with a decision for himself and for the democratic party. all eyes are on vice president biden as he continues to mold his decision. we know at the top of his considerations, is there a clear path to victory? i know that would be through south carolina. i've spoken to some folks in south carolina. they say they are still optimistic today despite secretary clinton's very strong performance. but there are others when the democratic party starting to lose hope. other biden supporters who are growing inpatient want to hear what he's thinking and are saying if it's a go, they want to get doing and want to start working for him. so we anticipate there will be a decision within the coming days. of course, the other big factor is what the vice president acknowledged, he and his family are still very much mourning and grieving the loss of his son beau. and that continues to be a major factor. but a lot of the filing deadlines are just around the corner. the first one, georgia, october

29th. he doesn't have a lot of time to continue to wait this out. >> an in south carolina where they have a vacation home where he spends a lot of time, i have spoken to people down there who are long time friends and supporters, big democrats, who have been pushing for him to get in. but still not clear what the decision is. i was very struck by john podesta's harsher tone in saying it's time already for him to decide. >> reporter: well, that's right. john podesta said publicly what a lot of democrats are saying privately, which is that time has run out for vice president biden to be mulling this process. interestingly, yesterday from the podium, white house press secretary josh earnest said even the vice president knows it's time for him in the coming days to tell everyone what he's thinking. of course, as you know, the white house has been very clear they want to give the vice president time to make this decision and earnest continued to make that point yesterday. but his tone had shifted a little bit. and essentially indicated it is time. but you're absolutely right,

john podesta, the clinton campaign clearly making the point as john podesta did earlier, secretary clinton had a strong night by all accounts. a lot of democrats thought she seemed presidential and made it that much more difficult for him to get in. andrea? >> kristen welker at the white house, thank you, as always. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports" on the road. tomorrow, congressman mike pompeo will join us from the benghazi committee just a week before hillary clinton will testify to the committee. remember to follow us on twitter @mitchellreports. and coming up at 1:00, we'll have a full interview of donald trump with katy tur right here on msnbc. because no one kills germs better than clorox. when i was sidelined with blood clots in my lung,h. it was serious.

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first in this country it is more or less being called the day after the big democratic debate. we now know 15 million americans watched from las vegas last night. today the reaction and today the leading gop candidate has granted an interview to msnbc's katy tur who was just back from trump tower in midtown manhattan. katy, having seen your conversation a few moments ago, i think we can say that his tone has changed a little. >> it's a drastically different donald trump than the one i interviewed back in july. even the different donald trump we have been seeing on the campaign trail. he's said that he would do things differently if he had the opportunity to do so. that he would be less pc but did say that he would be himself. that he's going to continue to be himself and it would be a lot of work for him to be politically correct. but just the way that he was answering questions, the way that he was engaging on hillary clinton on bernie sanders. he was refusing to a