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nationwide sensation at the little league world series, i should have known she would be able to nail a ceremonial pitch like that at the world series. she will not even be allowed to drive for three more years. come on. best new thing in the world today, by 60.5 feet, right at the plate. best new thing in the world. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you tomorrow from colorado where we have a big show lined up. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> did you see her pitch to jimmy fallon? i think of you throwing out the ball at this show every night. >> thank you. tonight an actress from the walking dead is now working to stop sex trafficking. she will join us to tell us how she helped save 36 girls. some as young as age 12.
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but first, what's at stake in house and senate elections next week. it is down to the wire. >> eight days to go. just eight days now until election day. >> control of congress is at stake. >> ten senate races could go either way. >> anti-incumbent mood immediates suffer odds for democrats. >> everything looks like it's trending towards republicans. >> two words -- supreme court. >> they are flooding the zone with money. >> yet things remain very close. >> you don't know what's going to happen to next week. >> it's a dead heat. >> if they can just say the president's name enough times. >> a vote for greg orman is a vote for barack obama. >> it could very well end up being a win strategy. >> they have benefitted from a fractured republican party, but this is a hungry group of people. >> this isn't exactly like
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republicans are finding their groove. they're barely holding on, and they may not. >> tell voters what will happen if republicans take control of the senate. >> two words -- supreme court. today the democratic senator campaign released new ads attacking joni ernst on social security. >> they talk about relying on social security. and joni ernst talks about privatizing it. >> yes, i have talked about privatizing social security. >> joni ernst is so extreme she'd risk seniors on the stock market. >> in addition to louisiana and new hampshire, they are adding00,0adding0 adding $700,000 to the georgia race where david perdue released
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new ads over the weekend. >> like you, david perdue believes president obama and michelle nunn's policies are taking the country in the wrong direction. those without know it's hard to find one. >> republicans need a net gain of six seats in order to take control of the senate. and the latest nbc poll shows virtual dead heats in all key states. all are tied or in the margin of error of in joni ernst is up, gardner is up one point against udall. kay hagan and tillis are tied at 43% with the libertarian candidate at 7%. in arkansas, cotton is up 45% to mark pryor's 43%. and in kansas, greg orman one point ahead over republican pat
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roberts. and with just 8.6 million early votes cast in 27 states so far, big name surrogates are campaigning. senator elizabeth warren was in new hampshire over the weekend trying to reelect jeanne shaheen. hillary clinton heads to iowa on wednesday and kentucky on saturday. marco rubio goes to iowa on wednesday where biden campaigned today. mitt romney was joined by presidential nominee bob dole who campaigned for republican senator pat roberts in kansas. here is bob dole today. although it is difficult to see him, because he is seated next to the podium. >> i served in the senate for 28 and a half years, and i know a little about the senate and the senators. and i keep track of it on almost a daily basis.
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and we get a lot of mail from kansas. and sometimes i need help, so i call pat roberts, and he helps me so we can help a kansasen. >> of course the most dramatic request for help that the 91-year-old dole made was shamefully rejected by roberts when they voted against ratification on the rights of disabled which was modeled on bob dole's senate years ago in the americans with disability act. he was wholed onto the senate floor by his wife, bob dole just needed five more republican senators to join the democrats and other republicans to reach the 2/3 majority necessary to pass the treaty. but so-called friends of bob dole's, like pat roberts, voted against it. after the vote, then senator
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john kerry said it was quote, one of the saddest days i've seen in almost 28 years in the senate. we have journalists now live in kentucky and atlanta, georgia. but first joining me is garrett hake, for kshb and former nbc campaign. garrett, i assume that bob dole didn't mention the fact that pat roberts betrayed him on the one vote that he asked for in this last senate term? >> no, lawrence, it didn't come up. in fact the clip that you just played was the only time bob dole mentioned pat roberts at all in that event. he was brought in to introduce mitt romney. in fact, mitt romney said it was bob dole who reached out to him about coming to this event in the first place. so this is an issue at the forefront of minds of kansas voters. and it's difficult to tell how
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it's playing out between pat robbers and bob dole, but there was no overwhelming warmth. no interaction that you could see on stage. but bob dole is and always has been a good soldier for the republican party. having him out there today, even as you saw in that clip, seated, not really able to do too much with the crowd, is still a boost for pat roberts who needs all the validation from republicans he can possibly get after of the primary he had here which was incredibly bruising and damaging for his campaign. >> thank you. and with me is the editorial write irf fofo fofo fofor the l. where's the momentum in that race now? >> well, it really is neck and neck. it's interesting. the air waves are absolutely
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saturated with the kinds of ads you just showed. and yet, i think if grimes pulls it out, she'll do it on the ground. she's a pretty impressive retail politician. she has incredible stamina and is everywhere in the state right now. >> there were some complaints that she was stiff on television and nervous in certain ways, stuck to talking points. is it different when she's out there shaking hands? >> she's very good one on one. and i think her public speaking, her tv appearances, she's improved so much. she's really obviously on an upward trajectory. i think people see that. >> and what do you see as the issues to watch in the last week of this campaign? >> oh, gosh, you know, i don't know if issues have anything to do with it at this point. you know, we got, we're waging the war on coal, hard and fast, that's been a long-time theme in our politics.
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mcconnell, perhaps, has revived the question quite unintentionally, i'm sure, of privatizing social security. he told a group, he reminded a group that he was for that back in the '90 -- back when george w. bush broached the idea. i think, as i said, it's just, it's a big-money battle. it's hard to believe so much money is pouring in to kentucky. i think if ever a political race, if ever that kind of big-money saturated media reaches the point of diminishing retur returns, it will be in this state in the next eight days. >> i think that's what may happen. jamie luck, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> my mepleasure. >> and joining us covering the race in georgia, benji, where
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does it stand? >> right now democrats are extremely energetic. it's easy to see why. this is a race that many thought republicans had in the bag or heavily favored in going into the general election. it has not turned out that way. several polls show michelle nunn tied or in the lead. democrats have an explanation for why they've been clawing back. that would be a series of stories on david perdue's private sector career, and a series of comments he made in a court case saying he spent the majority of his career in outsourcing issues. and democrats think that's put them in a position to do something extremely surprising, which is perhaps win a statewide election in georgia. >> benjy, thank you for joining
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us tonight. coming up, chris christie says he is not sorry that the state acting on his lead held a nurse in quarantine for days even though she showed no symptoms of ebola. you know her from the walking dead, but she has played a role rescuing three dozen girls being sold as sex slaves. this was in real life. she will join me with that story. and in the re-write, the washington post gets it wrong again in what will surely be its worst and most embarrassing editorial of the year. (receptionist) gunderman group. gunderman group is growing. getting in a groove. growth is gratifying. goal is to grow. gotta get greater growth. i just talked to ups. they got expert advise, special discounts, new technologies. like smart pick ups. they'll only show up when you print a label
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now within 100 yards of some homes. they have been scrambling to build temporary access roads. the molten river had stopped moving last month but has now advanced 220 yards over the last 24 hours. up next, why rush limbaugh says he wants to quarantine chris christie.
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up, i don't know, arm in arm, hand in hand, in bed with -- i don't know how to characterize it, but responding to obama's demands. >> and the wrong thing by quarantining a nurse. chris christie did the right thing by releasing that nurse who shows no symptoms of ebola. and new guidelines were announced for health care workers arriving from guinea, sierra leone and liberia. they ask that people voluntarily quarantine themselves for 21 days. >> if we do things that make it very difficult for people to come back, if we turn them in to pa rye yeahs, instead of recognizing the heroic work that
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they're doing, they may be less likely to disclose their health care status and we would lose the opportunity to do that direct active monitoring. kaci hickox has been released from her quarantine. >> i did reverse. she hadn't had any symptoms in 24 hours and tested negative for ebola. there's no reason to keep her. >> joining me is an attorney for kaci hickox and a representative of the school of public health. what is the law on this? did the state of new jersey have the legal right to do what they did to this nurse?
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>> absolutely not. medically and legally, there was no reason for the state of new jersey to confine her. and we will prepare to go to court to challenge it to begin with. there should be a procedure where there's a hearing. the government has the burden of proof to prove the criteria. there are important civil rights issues here. and there's an infringement of her fourth amendment rights and they got it wrong. >> is there any practical route to legal remedies after the fact of this detention? >> no, sir. her civil rights were violated. so we could go in and bring a civil rights action for damages, but because of the support through e-mails and phone calls that we've gotten the last two days we now have a new option, not just a court, a law in the court of public opinion. we've talked to the health commissioner from maine today.
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she seems to be very reasonable. kaci wants to amplify her voice. if we should quarantine anyone, maybe the politician should be quarantined. >> it's pretty clear to me that kaci talked her way out of that. i think what scared those politicians even more was this, this nurse, very eloquently arguing her case. >> that's right. and she does it at a moment, too, in which there's a lot of turmoil and confusion over what the different kinds of quarantine measures mean. what the cdc's recommending. we didn't even have any cdc recommendations were until today. what the recommendations are in texas, in bellevue. and so she entered at a time when there was a lot of turmoil and indecisiveness about how we
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should go forward. >> she clearly is an impressive american. she knows more about ebola than a lot of people who are talking about it. and the medical people should be involved in these policy decisions. not leaving it just to politicians, especially just before election day. >> now at bellevue, as with any large employer in manhattan, there are plenty of workers who live in new jersey and work at bellevue. there are certainly people who live in new jersey who have been involved with the ebola patient who is now at bellevue. so according to chris christie's logic, dr. fairchild, every one of those workers who go home to new jersey tonight from having worked at bellevue should be quarantined by chris christie for 21 days, and every single new jersey resident who comes home from bellevue as a patient should also be quarantined, is that right? >> and it also discloses the fatal flaw in mandatory
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quarantine, where you have no reason to believe that somebody is either, medically, scientifically, clinically going to expose somebody but also from the point of view of responsibility. is going to take any kind of action to put anybody at risk. >> these policies should be based on medical fact, not on fear or myth. ? and dr. fairchild, what does this do? some doctors and nurses are take being time out of their careers and their income earning here in the united states to go to africa. and we all know that the way you protect the united states is you stop this in africa. and we all know that american medical personnel will be invaluable in the fight against this in africa. and you have these governors in new york and new jersey saying, okay, fine, go do that, but when you come back here, do not expect to be reintegrated into life here. >> well, that's right, but i think we have to ask, is the voluntary guide lines that the cdc laid out today much
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different from that perspective. they may not be mandatory, but they're requiring, essentially, the same thing. they're requiring for people who are at high risk, who had contact with an ebola patient and maybe some breach in the medical equipment, to do precisely this, self-quarantine for 21 days. >> is it your sense that the cdc is also bowing to what is in effect political pressure where they are saying, look, it's too tough for us, we can't continue to argue the science. we've lost the science argument once again in american politics? >> they're continuing to make the science argument, but if we look at this from the beginning and every step of the way, the science has had to take a back seat to the politics. in some ways that's the way public health works. it is about commit cal compromise, about negotiation, about weighing risks and benefits. and there's no laboratory test that tells you how to strike that balance between liberty and public safety. >> what about that?
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a new jersey doctor works at bellevue, is involved in the treatment of this ebola patient or working on the floor below the ebola patient. according to chris christie's thinking, why shouldn't that doctor be quarantined tonight for 21 days and not allowed to go back to work. >> chris christie's feeling is we grou up in brooklyn, we call it cockamamie, it doesn't make any sense. if somebody doesn't have the symptoms of ebola, there's no reason for them to be quarantined or voluntarily confined because there's no basis for it. and it's the individual rights versus the public health. you have to look at the way the disease is transmitted. in this situation, if there's no symptoms don't put them in involuntary confinement. >> according to governor cuomo's
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theory announced over the weekend. he is personally going to quarantine our u.n. ambassador when she returns to the united states. >> maybe so. and to his credit, it would be a voluntary quarantine. so that's why i begin to ask, what's the difference between mandatory orders of quarantine and voluntary measures. >> thank you both very much. >> thank you for your vision. >> thank you. coming up next, an actress from "the walking dead", is now working to stop sex trafficking. she and a former cia officer helped to save 36 girls. and later, russell brand has something to say about the media's recent obsession with renee zellweger. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you can do just that. with our visionary cloud infrastructure, global broadband network and custom communications solutions, your business is more reliable - secure - agile.
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and the team behind operation underground railroad tells their story. >> lori, i understand that you got involved in this, partially, at least, because of the writers' guild strike in about 2008, i think, where i and others were out there on the picket line, my union. and you found something worth doing at that time that the, since actors were mostly out of work because production had shut down. >> yes. during the writers' strike in 2008, i volunteered to work in south africa in crush, which is a day care center for hiv orphans. many of the children who had hiv had been raped, because there was a myth that if you have sex with a virgin, you'll be cured of aids. so-so many of these children,
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and i mean they were young really young. had hiv because they had been raped. and it just, you can imagine, i spent months of my life with them, taking care of them every day, and i, i was so, my heart just broke, and it kind of changed everything for me forever, and i went back to the united states, and was angry and very vocal about it, and i met other like-minded people at that were as upset as i was about the injustices going on in the world with children. and then i learned that children were not only being raped but that there was a market for it. that they were being sold. and that's when i got an education, and that was my introduction to human trafficking was later on in that year i was invited to go to southeast asia and i met with the international justice
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mission. and with a group of volunteers, we visited many shelters, but we went into the brothels. and in one particular one in phnom penh we were able to rescue a handful of girls. so that's when it all began, and i think o.u.r. knew about some of our movements and i spoke with someone in washington, d.c. and they knew i was very interested in this and i was invited to the jump team. >> you cannot meet with the children of africa and not think very quickly, what can i do to help. >> tim ballard, how did you put an operation like this together going in to rescue these girls? >> i worked as a special agent and undercover operative for years in child trafficking, so i learned how to do this.
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and about a year ago we decided that we could do things differently, provide a different set of tools and fill some gaps that weren't filled. so i got some experts, and we went in, and we've done several of these rescue operations. and we were lucky enough to have laurie with us and go in and do this in columbia, work with the officials, work with the u.s. embassy who also was very support at thive of this and asm we were able to do some real good in dissolving these child trafficking operations. >> the whole way this was set up is that tim acted as if he was facilitating a big party. and it was done months in advance where he met these traffickers, gave them a little bit of money and said i have a friend of mine, he's having a bachelor party, we want a lot of girls, young girls. so kristin and i were the only women, two jump team members.
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there's 25 of us all on the missions. there were two women, krista and myself. and basically, we had to pose as party girls, because a lot of the men that go on these sex tours go with their girlfriends. so we had to act. we had to pretend that we were the party girls. we were there to have a good time, to make sure the girls were all pretty and groomed for the guys. so we had to sell the traffickers on the idea that we were the real deal. so that was an acting challenge. but when we were there, our role was to keep them by the pool and keep them calm. what was so difficult is that some of these girls were so young, i mean, 11, 12, 13, they were shaking. it was really important to make sure that they didn't leave the area, because if they went into the middle of the villa where the sting was taking place, if anything went awry, they would have been in the line of fire. when everything went down and the guys were on tape, saying
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that they were selling these girls and how old they were, and there was an exchange of hands, that's when, you know, the bust was up. and that's when i was able to take off the wig and comfort the girls, and it was, there was a lot of tears. >> and laurie, after you get the girls out, what is there for them as the alternative, what is they're out of there? >> well, that's what's so wonderful about this organization. there's a lot of things that appealed to me. the first thing is what tim just said, which was that oh, o.u.r. works with the u.s. embassy. so there's some idea that this is maverick style and we're invading countries, it's not exactly how it works. we work with national and local law enforcement so we have vetted units. we have the cooperation of every
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country that we're going into. that said, it doesn't end with just the rescue. family services comes in. they fingerprint the girls, give them medical exams. they find out exactly who they are and where they came from. and if they have a good family that they can go back to, of course, they're reunited in those homes. if not, there are state-run rehab centers where they're given psychological counseling and education. and vocational skills, because in a lot of these countries, you know, so many of the girls, they're back on the streets, because they have no alternative. but they're taught and given an education, so they have options so that prostitution or this way of life is no longer something that's going to be a way of life. >> laurie holden and tim ballard, thank you very much for what you're doing and thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. coming up next, russell brand's reaction to the media
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and a free 30-tablet trial. already we are seeing nations large and nasmall steppg up in impressive ways to make a contribution. cuba has sent 165 health professionals and plans to send nearly 300 more. >> that was the secretary of state praising cuba's contribution to the fight against ebola in west africa. and just when you thought no reasonable person in the world would step forward to defend the united states embargo on cuba, an unsigned washington post editorial appeared to justify continuing america's
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longest-running foreign policy mistake. the editorial admits that it is in reaction to the editorial two weeks ago calling for an end to the embargo. it is about a half century too late, but not to the cold-war brain of the washington post editorial board which seems to be trapped somewhere in the 1960s. the editorial begins with a swipe at the times, saying that fidel castro called for an end to the u.s. embargo. anyone who knows anything about cuba and fidel, knows that fidel is no longer involved in writing such columns that occasionally appear under his name, because the 88-year-old retired dictator is apparently suffering from
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dementia and is incapable of making public comments. the washington post pretends that fidel is still involved and lavishing praise. the washington post makes its case for continuing the embargo based entirely on cuba's handling on the investigation of a car accident. that's it. that's the washington post's case. every man, woman, and child in cuba should be punished by a united states embargo, because the washington post is unsatisfied with cuba's investigation of a car accident. here is the washington post's demand. the precise details of what happened are unknown and need to be cleared up by a credible investigation. the washington post offers no definition of what a credible investigation is. cuba has already investigated
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the case and convicted the driver of the car of vehicular manslaughter, the vehicular manslaughter of the passenger, a cuban dissident who was himself opposed to the embargo. it is in his name that the washington post wants to continue the embargo, that he was opposed to. the washington post believes that our foreign policy with cuba should be based entirely on the word of one politician from spain, angel cormeiro, in which the man was killed. the driver said he didn't see a sign indicating dangerous road conditions and he drove into a tree. he was allowed to go home to spain. and he told the washington post a different story a year later. he said he was hit from behind by a car that he thinks had
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government license plates on it. now checking out the license plates of a car that is driving behind you isn't really so easy, but the washington post has chosen to believe that story as if they had seen it on video. and the washington post has chosen to believe that this proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the castro government, which is now run by raul castro assassinated him by motor vehicle. what they don't explain is that if the castro brothers wanted him dead, why did they allow him to protest their government for ten full years after publicly collecting 11,000 cuban signatures on a petition to democratize the cuban government? i don't know if the first story the driver told the cuban investigators is true or if the store he story he later told the
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washington post is true. but if the one he told the post is true does not prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt. but go it did, if you could prove that the cuban government had a dissident killed, would that be a reason to impose an embargo on that country? if it is, then we would need to have embargoes on many countries that we have full diplomatic and trade relations with. there are far more oppressive regimes in the world than cuba, and we have friendly relations with them. none of those were mentioned in the washington post editorial, insisting that the cuban people should continue to suffer the effects of the embargo, even though the heroic dissident rightly mourned in the editorial was himself opposed to the embargo. he said it was counter-productive, as all reasonable observers have said. instead of causing fidel castro so economic strain he had to
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bend to our will, it gave fidel castro an excuse for his disastrously bad management of the cuban economy. the principle, if there is one, enunciated in the washington post's logic-free editorial, is that if country a's dissatisfied with country b's investigation of a death. then country a has the moral right to impose an embargo on country b. the washington post now has on its pages the embarrassment of an editorial that suggests that any country in the world that might find itself dissatisfied with the results of the government's investigation of the killing of michael brown by a police officer can and should yes, ma'am pose impose an embargo on the united states. but the editorial goes further than that. its logic, or should i again say
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a absence of logic says very clear that every country in the world should have had an embash goe against the united states for most of this country's history. and the highly dramatic line of this shamed editorial says a concession, such as ending the trade embash goe should not be exchanged for nothing. it should be made when cuba grants genuine freedom to its people. genuine freedom. what kind of polly anna writing is that? what country has granted genuine freedom to all of its people? has any country done that? according to the genuine freedom principle, no country in the wrorld is worthy of full trade and diplomatic relationships
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with the united states. and according to the washington post there certainly would have been a worldwide embargo on the united states until the end of slavery, and then certainly well into the 20th century when women didn't have the right to vote. and if you're serious about genuine freedom it would absolutely have had to extend at least until congress passed the civil rights act and voting rights act which happened after we imposed our embargo on cuba. since the washington post has never called for an embargo on saud owe arabia and its oil, we will have to assume that the washington post's definition of genuine freedom does not include things like voting or religious freedom or wearing whatever clothes you feel like wearing or women driving cars. now i've been to cuba. i've seep the way people have been forced to live there under the very heavy and ugly hand of the castro regime and know that they are nowhere close to a
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centurylink your link to what's next. we know that the shooter had arranged to meet with friends at the lunch hour on friday. witnesses confirm that the five victims were at the table when the shooter opened fire, striking the victims before turning the gun on himself. the handgun, a .40 caliber beretta was purchased legally and owned by a family member of the shooter. it's our understanding he did so via texting. >> there are new details tonight about friday's shooting at a high school near seattle where jaylen fryberg shot five students before killing himself. zoe galasso died at the scene,
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gia soriano died late last night. one of the boys was upgraded to satisfactory condition today while the other two victims remain in critical condition. the two wounded boys are cousins of the shooter. a student who was not injured said the shooter was angry about a romantic relationship he was involved in. another student said the shooter was in an ongoing dispute with his cousin over the victim's affections. she said i heard he asked her out and she rebuffed him and she was with his cousin. it was a fight over a girl. joining me now is an associate professor of psychology at the university of scranton. this seems to me as this kind of romantic wrath has emerged in this story line to be different
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from other school shootings that kind of have no explanation, columbine, just mowing people down. this seems to come from a very, very old story, as old as love itself, romeo and juliette, other things where romantic feelings push all the way to homicide or suicide. >> yes, indeed. i can't speak to exactly why mr. fryburg shot five people, including two of his cousins. as you're aware, the news report suggests that he lost his girlfriend to one of these cousins. sexual jealousy is one of the biggest predictors of homicide ever found by man. and we know in other school shootings, sexual jessoualousy played a role. would it surprise me that it was involved here, especially that a cousin was involved? not at all. >> there was a shooting in san
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clemente, a husband shoots and kills his wife and then himself, which doesn't get this kind of attention and doesn't deserve the kind of attention this other case has gotten because it didn't endanger a whole school, but the dynamics of what happened there may in fact be more similar to what happened in this school shooting than this school shooting is with columbine or other such school shootings. >> it very well could be. we do know that 70% of adult women who are murdered are murdered by sexually jealous current or former mates. might that have occurred here? it very well may have. it wouldn't surprise me at all. ? we have a text on september 18. he sent to one of the boys, did you forget that she was my girlfriend. and then another one was saying dude, she tells me everything, and now i hate you. you're no longer my brother. he has another text saying it breaks me. it really does. and this case, professor, breaks
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me, it turns out, he really meant the ultimate version of breaking. >> it certainly seems so. we also know from a good deal of research that the type of stole his girlfriend, being his relative, his cousin, so close that he called his cousin his brother, has been shown to be tremendously pernicious with regards to jealousy and the type of jealousy that could lead to a jealousy-fueled homocidal rage. >> we don't know the dynamics of this. it could be he wasn't really involved with her but wished he was involved with her, but that seems to be there's something in this area that is explanatory of what happened. barry, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> kris hayes is up next. >> tonight on "all in." >> stay at home for 21 days. we'll pay. enyour family and kids and read a book, read my book.