good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall. this is "newsnation." we're following breaking news just in. details about the second health care worker who treated thomas eric duncan and his now diagnosed with ebola. we have new information regarding the case. throughout the morning hazmat crews have been at her apartment complex. emergency responders have been at the scene alerting her neighbors and residents nearby. the texas health department says the health care worker helped treat duncan before he died last week. it is unclear what role she played in his treatment. they have not released her name as of yet. when asked at a news conference this morning if she was a nurse, officials would not confirm that information. she was one of 77 workers being monitored. texas health officials say she first reported a fever yesterday and was immediately isolated. overnight preliminary test results confirmed she has ebola.

hospital and city officials say they are doing everything they can to monitor staff at texas health presbyterian hospital. they have a contingency plan in place. this is a stark contrast to d.c. director tom frieden's stunning revelation that his agency did not respond fast enough. >> i have thought often about it. i wish we would have put a team like this on the ground the day the first patient was diagnosed. it might have prevented the infection. we'll do it from today on ward with any case anywhere in the u.s. on the "today" show this morning health and human services director was pressed on the cdc's response. >> the cdc sent a full team in place and a team of apodemologists as well as infection control people. the oversight of the implementation of the protocols

could have been better. >> do you have confidence in the cdc and dr. frieden? >> i do have confidence. >> mark potter joining me from dallas with more. the hospital hasn't confirmed it was a nurse. they won't say what role she played in mr. duncan's care. when will we get more information how she was exposed on we wait on more details regarding the nurse diagnosed earlier this week. >> that's exactly right. this is being called a gut shot to the hospital community here by the dallas county judge, clay jenkins who has been talking this morning. it's a big hit to the hospital. a second case now. what we know about the health care worker, as you said it's a woman. she presented herself with fever symptoms within 90 minutes she was placed in isolation. she was tested and the results came back from the state. they'll be confirmed by the cdc. the announcement went out at

4:00 a.m. local time here for the public. and a flurry of activity followed right away. the police and fire officials went to her apartment complex. we know she lives about three miles away from here in northeast dallas in an area of a lot of apartment complexes. neighbors were notified door to door people going knocking. there was a reverse 9-1-1 call that went out to tell them about what was going on. the clean up began right away in the outside common area of the apartment building, and the cleanup inside the building will begin this afternoon with specialty crews. meantime 75 other workers who were involved in duncan's care are waiting. you can imagine very anxiously to see if they have come down with symptoms. the hospital said it will make isolation areas available to them if they want to wait out this time away from their family. so the families aren't infected. it shows how serious everyone is taking this. the officials are indicating

it's quite likely we're going to see other cases because they haven't determined yet, at least they haven't said publicly how the breach may have occurred, tamron. >> and, mark, let's look at the time line. we have a calendar, thomas eric duncan died wednesday, the 8th. the nurse, nina pham was diagnosed sunday, the 12th. we have the third texas health care workers she was diagnosed tuesday, the 15th. a couple of basic questions i think people want to know. first of all, the fiancè from mr. duncan was in close contact with duncan prior to when he was finally admitted into the hospital after the second visit. how are those people? those family members who were in intimate contact with him doing? will all of these workers now remain in some type of quarantine for i believe, 21 days as the case as mr. duncan family members. >> there's an area of little bit

of good news. there were 48 people that had contact with duncan before he went into the hospital. including the fiancè, other family members. none of them has presented any symptoms. they're all asymptommatic. the officials say they crossed the threshold when they were most likely to be infected. they're ending their time being monitored. it will happen sunday or monday. they're close to the end of that. the girlfriend or fiancè is actually happy by the news she has passed that and she and others with her in the apartment are probably unlikely to be infected. that's some good news. as for the 75 others, they're not in quarantine, but they are asked to monitor themselves, they are not working. they are self-isolating. that's what happened in the case of nina pham and the case of this woman this second patient

now and officials say that is how the system should be working now. there's a thought if they get in early there might be a chance not only to prevent the spread but treat them for effectively than had they come in late. >> thank you very much. news of the latest diagnostic came hours after the national nurses union speaking on behalf of anonymous nurses at texas health presbyterian claiming proper protocols were not followed and the staff was put at risk. the nurses do not belong to the union. the hospital did not respond to the specific allegations but in a statement to nbc news said in part, patient and employee safety is our greatest priority and we take compliance very seriously. we have numerous measures in place to provide a safe working environment, including mandatory annual training and 24/7 hot line and other mechanisms that allow for anonymous reporting. i want to bring in karen

higgins, copresident of the national nurses union which doesn't represent the nurses at the hospital but issued a statement on their behalf. thank you for your time, karen. >> no problem. >> let's talk about the fact these were anonymous nurses. are you confident the information you were provided regarding the proper protocol not in place, are you confident those assertions are true? >> i believe that they are true. at least john to the nurses they're true. i'm sure the hospital feels differently. i feel you have to go by those on the ground trying to, you know, meet whatever they're expected to do as far as protocols. and they were very clear they felt they did not have the equipment they really needed. they couldn't protect themselves as well as they should have been able to. i absolutely believe them. i don't see any reason why they wouldn't be telling the truth, you know, with what they've been going through. >> i'm sure the nurse who is being treated, the first nurse diagnosed said her hospital was

the best hospital and they provided all the equipment and what she needed. she's not critical. she's under care. we'll learn more how she was exposed. at least, right now nina pham is not critical of the hospital saying she was not equipped properly. >> i think there's a problem i think most of us as nurses and most hospitals have policies and procedures to take care of people with infectious disease. i think ebola is actually a little bit more about what we typically do to take care of patients. and i think we knew ahead of time. we've seen how they've been treated in the past in atlanta or in nebraska. what they've been wearing and africa to take care of the patients. and i think that where we missed the mark we did not take it seriously enough and make sure what we're using is the high quality safe equipment. not the typically things we use for infectious disease but to go away above that to make sure we provide everything that a nurse

and anyone else that walked in the room needed. i think that, you know, it was not a lesson -- i'm sorry to say we should have had to learn but we are learning. it's nice everything is going into effect now. it should have been done before the patients started arriving a the hospital. >> when the possibility, i think, was made that eventually ebola would end up in the united states this concern that had been going on globally after some 4,000 deaths in africa. did your union ever issue a warning statement to hospitals across the country saying that there is a possibility we need certain measures taken in advance. there's one thing to be reactive. there's another thing to be proactive. did the union take that step to protect the nurses? >> well, let me tell you we went forward and said because what we were hearing from cdc and what they were reporting was all the hospitals around the country were saying they were prepared to take care of the patients. and we were very concerned because we were hearing from

nurses across the country that they didn't feel that way. >> so even before the first diagnos diagnosis, even before mr. duncan was diagnosed you were hearing concerns from nurses? we were. like i said, i believe there were probably some policies through but they don't go far enough to be able to take care of the patients that are coming in with and. there is a definitely level of care that needs to be provided, and they're not being set up to do it. the nurses are expressing this. we're having a conference call this evening. we have 7,000 nurses across the country that are signed up and asking to be on the call. the concerns continue. i think they feel they still don't have the proper equipment. it should be a standardized practice so everybody across this country in every hospital is using the exact same equipment. it should be as what cdc provides what we've seen in atlanta, nebraska, or that kind of equipment. it's needed. it's also not the equipment. it's the education.

>> which is what i was going to ask you. part of the concern in the dallas case not the equipment it may have been the removal of the equipment which exposes the health care worker to the ebola virus if they are treating a patient closely. >> i would say to you, i think it's both. i know, what they're saying. after seeing and hearing what they were wearing, i would say there should be concern what they had for equipment. the bigger part is, you can't have a once a year, we went over the equipment, we showed you how to use it. when you're dealing with this kind of illness, it is basically one on one training. it should not necessarily be a video. it needs to be one on one. it needs to be repetitive. there needs to be drills to be sure we are constantly keeping up with what we need to know to take the parent if they walk through the door. i don't think that is being done. i think now we're seeing more and more stepping up to start to do things, but, you know, this is basically putting the horse behind the carriage. we should have been doing it

before. it shouldn't have had to be dallas had to happen. if we don't get ahead of this and start doing the right thing and making sure we're training people we'll have another dallas. that needs to be stopped. we know it can be. they have done it in atlanta, they have done it in nebraska. if you give people the right equipment and education and the right training this will not happen again. >> thank you so much for your time, karen. we appreciate you joining us. joining me now sheila jackson lee representing texas's 18th district and member of the house homeland committee. thank you for your time. >> thank you for having me. >> a lot of people heard the director of the cdc say in this stunning development that in a sense the cdc did not have all hands on deck. they a mended their strategy since these cases in dallas. but i think, congresswoman, in our minds, we figured the cdc had practice runs here. if a case sprouted up in the

united states it would have already had a plan not one that was a work in progress. do you have confidence in the cdc director and the cdc at this point now we have three cases in dallas where there were clearly some huge questions that have not been >>. >> first of all, i want to offer my expression of concern. we're in a crisis. the cd cdc is vital order. and the head of it has been a good leadere. what i'm frustrated we didn't take the initial encounter in dallas at the level that it

should have been. the county officials have been excellent, but the fractu infrastructure, and understanding what was happening to mr. duncan did not translate to the front liners, the nurses and teches and others. it's unfair to them. i'm frustrated with that. i will also say that theenters for disease control and prevention suffers from the continued gridlock in washington and republicans not funding fully even though the fight against ebola is bipartisan. if we get called back to washington early that's what we should be called back for. i would certain join to do that. we need the resources. my offer is this, i believe there should be a coming together of homeland security and the cdc and the nih in this instance, particularly fema which is utilized during emergency situations and there should be on the ground training at selected hospitals across america. i also think that there should

be continued calls to nurses for training on protocol. >> but i guess, again, back to the initial question. this is a situation where we are seeing a reaction and not a proactive approach from the government. whether it is funding or something as simple as having a plan in place. i use the word schiimple in wha does the cdc do if they don't prepare for situations like this. you've been a guest on the show, we've talked about the situation in west africa. thousands of deaths. we don't live in a bubble. if the cdc is not planning for things like this, how can we have confidence in that agency, and how can you have confidence in that agency? >> tamron, you make a good point. i think it's important to take note that the cdc in combination with the other hospitals handled the first cases of u.s. citizens coming out of liberia, beget.

cetera into the u.s. recovered. what is missing is the targeted help now they know they needed to have. they missed that point. there's no doubt on that. but i will say that it does not undermine my confidence in the skilled personnel that is at the cdc. i think they have to be more responsive. i held a meeting at my airport, at least a week before the announcement of lifting the protocols on incoming pass skbr jers. i made the point there should be a cdc control center at every single national airport in the united states. part is resources. secondarily, let's count nurses and technicals and other health professionals as front liners like first responders. they should get special care whether it is daily phone calls on protocol, the equipment most likely is there. but the protocols are not there. i'll be meeting with my nurses in houston.

tell many if the protocols are there. they're the front liners for saving lives. >> as we've heard over and over. thank you for your time. we look forward to speaking with you again. >> thank you. and the cdc's handling of the ebola emergency is the topic of today's "newsnation" gut check. with a second case confirmed in four days a the dallas hospital. are you confident the cdc can contain the virus in the u.s.? we'll tell you how to weigh in. coming in video of the damage from a massive storm system that spawned at least 25 tornados and dumped record rainfall. this as more severe thunderstorms with damaging winds will impact parts of the east coast today. we'll get you updated on that damage and what is happening on the ground. plus, on the trail president obama campaigns for a democrat in connecticut today. as our new poll shows the president's approval rating near an all-time low. but voters' view of republicans is worse. what do lenny kravitz,

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there is a statement now from the cdc and frontier airlines. the second health care worker that reported to the hospital with a low grade fever last night, according to the centers for disease control, they've confirmed that health care worker who tested positive for ebola last night actually traveled by air october 13th, the day before she reported symptoms. according to the statement i have, because of the proximity and time between the evening flight and the first report of illness, the following morning cdc is reaching out to passengers who flew on frontier airlines flight 1143. that was a flight cleveland to dallas-ft. worth october 13th. the cdc is asking all 132 passengers on frontier airlines flight 1143 cleveland to dall dallas-ft. worth landing around

8:16 p.m. central time. they issued the information to those passengers. let me go to park potter on the ground out front of the texas hospital where that patient along with the nurse who was diagnosed earlier in the week being treated. are you there, mark? >> yes, i am. >> was this worker a part of the 77 -- please correct me on the numbers. there were a group of health care workers who had come in contact with mr. duncan. they were not under quarantine but they were in a self-isolation where they were monitoring their temperature. was the worker part of that group? >> my understanding is that's correct. there are 75 people who are still monitoring themselves plus two to make it 77. those two are nina pham, the nurse who was diagnosed on sunday, and now this patient diagnosed overnight and the information came out today. of course, the news that just came out from the cdc about the

frontier airlines flight is very disturbing because it talks about a lot of people on the flight who now will be sought out and and talked to to see if they need to be monitored. it sounds like the current patient flew first home to cleveland and back here on the 13th, the day before yesterday when she showed symptoms and so that is a completely different wrinkle in this story involving a lot of other people who are not involved in the care of duncan but might have had a contact with this person. in the case of nina pham, only one person was found to be in contact with her to the point where that person needed to be isola isolated. we'll see how many people might need to be. we don't know. it's certainly a deeply concerning issue where so many people on the same flight right before she reported symptoms are now being contacted. >> which is interesting timing

here. we have the update just a few hours ago, mark, from the hospital and did they not know this information at that time? surely they asked that health care worker where have you been? what are the steps you took prior to your low grade fever showing, and -- >> yeah. after the press conference comes out the information comes out. i'm not putting any dubious ideas out there. >> you don't have to theorize. in the frontier airlines statement. i'm going to read it. everybody can draw their conclusion. at approximately 1:00 a.m. 1:00 a.m. mountain time, on october 15th, today, 1:00 a.m. mountain time, today frontier was notified by the cdc a customer traveling on frontier

airlines flight 1143 cleveland to dallas since tested positive. that's the time frame that the airline was notified. our news conference here was at 8:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. local time central time, 6:00 a.m. mountain time. a five-hour gap. that was not mentioned in the news conference. i can guarantee it wasn't mentioned. there is a time issue here where everybody knew about this but it wasn't mentioned. so you're right. your question is correct. no need for theorizing. it's in frontier airlines' statement. >> along the route here from the very beginning with mr. duncan being turned away to now today there are just a series of questions, mark, this is i stress to our audience. not about being an alarmist. you have to follow the trail. we talked to a number of people who are basically investigators. their job is to follow the line of a virus or an infectious disease that is the job of

certain individuals to do. they're investigating this worker's trail. they're decontaminating her apartment, which we have video of the apartment, and now a few hours after a news conference we get this statement in from the cdc and frontier airlines that this individual that has not been identified. we certainly understand that. there are laws to protect their privacy, but this individual was on a plane flight number 1143 from cleveland to dallas-ft. worth with 132 passengers on that plane. the centers for disease control and prevention confirms that health care worker who tested positive last night for ebola traveled by air october 13th, the day before she reported symptoms. she landed that night and by that morning at the timeline i'm looking at here is correct she was reporting a low grade fever. >> what it raises is something -- tamron.

what it raises is the question one step earlier than what you're talking about. that is what to do with someone who has been identified in need of monitoring and perhaps indeed isolation. what does that mean? is being isolated voluntarily good enough? or does it need to be mandatory so you don't do something like this? you're a nurse -- if all of this is correct, and presuming it is, if you're -- >> we know she was a health care worker. yeah. sorry. >> yeah. if you're a health care worker, and you know you're in this group that treated mr. duncan and you're out flying in public, is that the right thing to do? i think -- i don't have the answer to that. but i certainly have a big question about that. i think many other people do. >> in full disclosure -- because people will send in questions about our own staff here with dr. nancy sneaderman who released her own statement with nbc news expressing regret. she was in a voluntary situation

of isolation along with her crew and they are now around mandatory quarantine as a result of a bad judgment call, which nancy schneiderman and her team released in a statement. i'm not saying anything in a part of the official statement in the reaction. it lends to the question or bring up the question if someone does have exposure whether it's a health care worker if it should be mandatory at this point. >> remember what the officials here were saying. they thought they were going to be able to control this because they had a circle around the population here at the hospital that had dealt with mr. duncan. and the presumption was with that circle, if the people become showing symptoms they'll report and they'll it will be self-contained. when you have -- if this is correct, one of them flying halfway across the country and back while under the monitoring period, then you have something

it escapes outside the circle. i think that has everybody concerned. i'm sure questions will be raised about what does isolation mean? what does monitoring mean? to what degree is it voluntary? to what degree do we put a thumb on you and say i'm sorry you have to wait it out for 21 days. it's mandatory. that's the question i'm sure we'll be hearing more of today. >> it was a question that was asked about mr. duncan's family when they were placed into the home in the gated community. it was asked early on what guarantees that the public would have they would stay? and the county sheriff said we know they were being watched to make sure they stayed in that home for that critical period of time, which now, as you pointed out in an earlier hit has passed for them. we'll take a break. we'll be right back. hopefully we'll have a don't line. we'll have more information on the announcement from the cdc and frontier airlines that the second health care worker

diagnosed with ebola actually flew on a plane from cleveland to dallas-ft. worth the night before the low grade fever was reported to health officials there. thus her diagnosis of having ebola. we'll have more after the break. . ew. dish issues? cascade platinum powers through your toughest messes better than the competition the first time. cascade. now that's clean. woman: what do you mean, homeowners insurance doesn't cover floods? [ heart rate increases ] man: a few inches of water caused all this? [ heart rate increases ] woman #2: but i don't even live near the water. what you don't know about flood insurance may shock you -- including the fact that a preferred risk policy starts as low as $129 a year. for an agent, call the number that appears on your screen.

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morning, the cdc is now reaching out to passengers who flew on frontier airlines flight 1143 from cleveland to dallas on october 13th. let me bring in dr. frank es per, case hospital. first, the idea of voluntary quarantine, we're working out the details here, mark potter, my colleague, who is here and has been reporting from dallas reporters there were lead to believe that some 70 plus people who come in contact with mr. duncan whether they were a nurse or someone there to clean the room. people who come in contact would be in a voluntary quarantine situation monitoring themselves. now it appears if that is correct, this individual was on a flight with 132 other people. >> yeah. certainly we like to make sure that we understand everyone's exposure's risk and everyone who worked with the patient in a

very close proximity so when they develop symptoms we would be able to test those individuals, and certainly staying withen the particular area makes our access to them and makes our ability to diagnose them with further disease much more available. we ask them to stay in the general vicinity and it makes sense that would have done that. >> can you tell us what kind of exposure. the fever was spotted the morning before so she took the flight and overnight the flight was an evening flight. the next morning tested positive with this low grade fever. what would be your concern for passengers on the flight. the people sitting immediately next to her. >> i still gauge those exposures

to be very minimal. the person has no symptoms or fever nobelly discomfort, no muscle pain. when you don't have any symptoms you're not considered to be infectious. what happens is as you get sicker and sicker, the amount of virus in your system goes up and up and up. the most infectious diseases are actually the sickest people. when you just have the fever and you just start feeling the effects you have a fairly low amount of virus within your blood and secretions to transmit it. you probably have a low fairly low amount of virus. as you get more debablts you can get higher concentrations of the germ and of this virus in your blood that can allow it to transmit easier. it may be one of the reasons why the individuals who were in close contact with mr. duncan in their apartment have done so well but the nurses who were taking care of him in dallas

when he was the sickest and therefore the most infectious are the ones who are, we are now identifying that unfortunately caught the disease. >> which is also interesting when you look at the decision to alert these passengers who were on frontier airlines. we look at mr. duncan's travel from africa to brussels on to washington initially when we learned there was a patient in the united states there was a resistance to notify passengers on the plain because the idea the theory at the time. the explanation was given mr. duncan did not have symptoms when he made the flight. his symptoms only became clear when he landed in dallas and taken in for the initial visit. we know he was sent home. but his flight, during the flight from africa to the u.s. he was not showing symptoms according to the time line. with this patient, though, if

she flew as we learned an evening flight. she noticed the fever that morning, and then tested positive later in the evening, what are your concerns regarding the timing of the fever and when she noticed it? we're looking at the evening late night flight to the morning. is it possible she had the symptoms on the flight? i know you have not treated her. i want to be careful here. i'm reading the statement from cdc and frontier. because of the proximity and the evening flight and the first report of the illness the following morning this is why they've taken the action to notify 132 people. >> i think there's a couple of things going on. one, just because you're not symptom -- they don't have enough infor example to spread to other individuals. that's what we've identified as when people are truly having symptoms then they finally

achieve that threshold of enough virus to actually pass it on to someone else. however, i think the other issue right now there's a big perception problem. everything that has gone wrong down in dallas there's a feeling a that we're not doing enough. i think there is actually we're going -- the pendulum will swing to the other side and we'll try to do more than what we have to do in order to at least make other people around the united states as well as other airline passengers and the passengers themselves to understand that we're going to do a lot more now. maybe even more than we have to in order to make people feel we're getting ahead of this. >> that's the thing. your profession prides itself on advancement and finding cures and using the latest technology. that's why the emery staff and the staff in nebraska that treated the two u.s. workers brought back were applauded because of advancements here. whing the average american hears, for example, the cdc or

medical personnel behind the eight ball of a virus that has been around for 40 years taken in the latest incarnation some 4,000 lives and exposed 7,000 people, i believe, to the virus we're acting. it's like being surprised that christmas is on the 25th. we knew this was a possibility. >> yeah. unfortunately what is going on in dallas and now the cdc is pushing a lot of resources into dallas is very similar to the united states response to the problem going on in west africa. it makes us feel we're playing catch up. this is one of the reasons. the only way we can change the perception. even our actions have been very well received and spot on. we need to make it feel like we're ahead of this and this is one of the ways we're going to be talking everyone. we're going more strict about where people go and what they do

and who we test and we're going to do probably do more testing than we need to do. >> thank you so much for your time. when we return we go back to mark potter outside the hospital in texas for more information on the breaking development. we just received it within the hour. we be right back. creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america.

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ebola. nbc mark potter joins me live from dallas. again, looking a the time line. mr. duncan died on the 8th. mr. pham was diagnosed on the 12th, and the day after mrs. pham was diagnosed, this second individual who has not been identified was on a flight. the 13th and diagnosed on the 15th. have we heard anything other than the statement now from, again, this is from cdc and frontier airlines not a statement from the hospital, as i'm aware of. >> no, we haven't. there's been nothing new published since the statement came out. there's something i want to say about the guest you had on a moment ago. i heard clearly what he had to say. i understood what he had to say. i respect what he had to say about the low likelihood of infection aboard this plane. but there are two parts to this story. this situation in this country, there's the medical half. all the medical information what

we know and there's the public half. the fear where people in this country are increasingly becoming frightened by this. and now you have a situation where a worker in this hospital who knew she was being monitored who knew she had been taken care of mr. duncan, the ebola patient who died a week ago today traveling outside not only her neighborhood this community but on a plane in a closed environment to another city and back before she self-reported her conditions. that is not going to help in the situation on the fear side. >> right. >> so that is why many people, i think, are now saying we need -- as the doctor said at the enld of your good interview with him. we need to maybe look at more controls on the people that are monitored and we know may have a real threat. that's something that got out of the circle they were trying to create here. the cordon around the group of 75 now. she went to another part of the country and back and that's the

part that i think is troublesome. again, understood clearly low likelihood of a chance. but 132 people are going to be getting a frightening phone call. >> what we don't know, mark, this is what the hospital needs to answer. a couple of things now. mr. duncan died on the 8th when the people who worked around him were placed in this voluntary quarantine situation. did this individual fly before mr. duncan died? and perhaps decided let me after mrs. pham was diagnosed let me fly back to texas and get myself checked out. we don't know when the person even left dallas. the time line there. and there's some critical things. why, to your point, and the point made by a lot of people, isn't the hospital make this a mandatory quarantine as they essentially did with duncan's family. that family could not left from the gated community. let's be honest here. those are the questions, as

well, from the cdc admitting a lackluster response to the first diagnosis to the texas hospital that left and has left a trail -- a trail of decisions that should be questioned and are being questioned down to who was monitoring these health care workers and why that health care worker was on that flight. >> these workers, these 75 are not working. >> yeah. >> why? because there's a concern that they in their condition might create a problem in their hospital. they're not working there. but this one flew back and forth. it's the question of perception. it's the question of control. in light of the statements from the officials they had this group buttoned up. we have more cases we thought it meant within the 75. understood what the doctor and others have said that the chance suggests that the chance this

leading to an infection aboard the airplane is not great. i suspect the person sitting next to the woman and others across the aisle might be concerned. and the cdc might be concerned. if frontier airlines. >> and where you need to be and where you cannot go. >> yeah, absolutely, mark. we're going to take a break. we'll be right back. ist) gunderman group. gunderman group is growing. getting in a groove. growth is gratifying. goal is to grow. gotta get greater growth. i just talked to ups. they got expert advise, special discounts, new technologies. like smart pick ups. they'll only show up when you print a label and it's automatic. we save time and money. time? money? time and money. awesome. awesome! awesome! awesome! awesome! (all) awesome! i love logistics. ring ring! progresso! i can't believe i'm eating bacon and rich creamy cheese before my sister's wedding well it's only 100 calories, so you'll be ready for that dress uh-huh... you don't love the dress?

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let me take you back to dallas where our own mark potter is right out front of the texas presbyterian health care center. mark, we still have not heard anything from the hospital officially on this information from frontier and the cdc this passenger was on a plane the night before her fever was shown. go ahead. i'm sorry. this is live pictures. >> we have not heard. >> live pictures of the plane being sent to the remote runway. the plane, 1143, cleveland to dallas -- authorities tell our

affiliate, let me preface this. authorities are telling our affiliate there, this is the plane and it's being taken to a remote runway. i'm sorry, mark, go ahead. >> well, i was just going to answer a question that you asked before the break. when she flew from dallas to cleveland, i knew i had seen it, i think i may have said it, but i couldn't remember. and i was trying to find it real quick. and i since have during the break. it says she traveled from dallas-ft. worth to cleveland on frontier flight 1142 on october 10. and you were asking, you know, again, that was after mr. duncan passed eed away and she flew ban the 14th. just to answer that question. and your other question, have we heard anything else? no, not to my knowledge. and i'll -- i'll take a moment here to look and see if there are any other e-mails that have come out from the hospital on this. i would tend to doubt it if -- >> we're being told the hospital has not responded to the calls

to get more information on this. but just for wording purposes and clarification, mark, once mr. duncan died on the 8th, those 70 plus workers, how did the hospital describe their situation? was it a voluntary quarantine? isolation. how did they describe the conditions in which these workers would operate? >> over time, the description has come to be that they were -- that they were to monitor themselves. that they were to check their temperatures, check for other symptoms, the second anything came up suspicious, they were to report it, go to the hospital. it's not a quarantine situation. quarantine technically means you have a disease and being isolated for that reason. >> they weren't told they couldn't fly? is that a possibility that the workers were told monitor yourselves, but they -- >> yes, it was said today they were not under a controlled

order. a controlled order of isolation. you were told to stay home, do this, very controlled. a reason for that word, they were not under that. i don't know, i wasn't there, i don't know what they were told about flying around. at some point, the concept of common sense comes into play. and maybe they need to override with more rules. i think many people have to be saying today. >> thank you so much for joining me. i greatly appreciate it. that does it for this edition of "newsnation." up next, "andrea mitchell reports." why can't we just get in the running car? are you crazy? let's hide behind the chainsaws. smart. yeah. ok. if you're in a horror movie, you make poor decisions. it's what you do. this was a good idea. shhhh. be quiet. i'm being quiet. you're breathing on me! if you want to save fifteen percent or more

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77 other health care workers are under observation. >> it may get worse before it gets better. but it will get better. >> safety breach. serious allegations from a nurse's group claiming the dallas hospital was not prepared. >> mr. duncan was left for several hours, not in isolation. in an area where other patients were present. >> i don't think we have a systematic institutional problem, but we're looking at every element. >> cracks in the coalition. the president talks today to key allies after meeting with nearly two dozen military leaders from the countries he's counting on to help fight isis. but are they all willing to pull their weight? >> our coalition is united behind this long-term effort to degrade and ultimately destroy isil.