lost and found. a strange scene at the mh-17 crash. a critical item discovered among the debris. but some of the bodies are gone. a cease-fire that should have lasted for hours ends abruptly. excessive force? a deadly ending after police try to make an arrest. take a look. >> don't touch me. [ bleep ]. >> i can't breathe. i can't breathe. >> the story behind this is dent in new york. family reaction and a view of a former law enforcement officer, what should have happened here.

>> hello, everyone. it's high noon at here in the east and 9:00 in the west. a rebel leader in eastern ukraine says separatists have recovered the black boxes and will give it to the civil international organization. this appears to be the black boxes. they are orange in color, by the way. the video was taken two days ago. the separatists leader says bodies recovered from the crash site will remain in refrigerator containers until an international delegation arrives. removing the bodies was a human decision because they were lying out in the heat. and malaysia airlines says it is retiring flight mh-17 out of respect for those who died. the airline will continue to operate its flight from amsterdam to kuala lumpur but will be given the flight mh-18.

keir simmons is at the site of the crash in ukraine. keir filed this report a short time ago. >> reporter: alex, there are mangled pieces of this plane like the section of tail behind me across the countryside. today we were able to walk through the wreckage. whole sections of it and further down we found that the heart of it, the scorched earth right across a field, parts of the engine and they are still working there to find the victims searching this whole area. they tell us that most of the bodies have been removed and that they have been taken to a refrigerated train car a short distance from here. what they are not able to say is where that train will go to and when. plainly, victims' families around the world are waiting to

get their relatives, their loved ones back. meanwhile, this, alex, remains a war zone. at times, you do hear artillery fire in the distance in the last few days and that is the problem because investigators need to come here. so far we have only seen monitors here. those investigators need to be safe. the question is whether or not they can come and do their work in safety in the middle of all this. >> keir joins me on the phone. with a welcome, i understand you had to actually leave the crash site. is there a sense of danger there at all and can you tell me who is in charge? >> reporter: yeah, we have to leave every day because it gets more dangerous here as the light fades. we make sure that we get back to base and we also went to actually see those cars, those train cars that i talked about with you there and the carriages

where they are keeping the bodies of the people that they have recovered. i have to tell you, alex, it's like something out of the last century. it is gray carriages on a track, on this old-fashion station and they are locked in these carriages and it's pretty awful, really. you know, not a dignified way for these victims to be kept, if you like, and we don't know when they are going to be able to move them. we don't know where they are going to take them to. it is better, i guess, than them being left at the crash site, which is what we have seen up until now. but it is -- well, it isn't what you'd want, really. >> keir, is there any evidence that those who are removing the bodies are able to identify them or is it literally just the

removal and placement elsewhere and they will have to wait to do any sort of identification down the road? >> i don't think there's any way that they can identify them except for the fact that there are people's belongings everywhere. after i spoke to you, we went to another area and this gives you a picture of what a sizeable crash site this is and in the middle of it comes down and scatter itted around where and it's strewned around all over the place.

russian support are wanting to remove these bodies and they are the ones who are waiting, for what they say, to come and help. as you mentioned, the leader of that group has said that he also has the black boxes and that he plans to hand them over. and i spoke to him last night and although he admitted at one point they were thinking about sending him to moscow because that's the government that they trust. >> okay. keir simmons, thank you very much for the reporting. we continue to appreciate your work. from there let's go to nbc tom costello. now you have the ukraines are offering for help.

what kind of proof are they offering? >> you've got ukrainian and european intelligence saying that it looks like it's the work of russian-backed separatists. keep in mind that the russian media, by in large, is part of the kremlin. let's take a look quickly at the photographs now that the ukrainian government says may be the smoking gun, the tell-tale signs. these are, according to the ukrainian government, missile launchers that were in the area in eastern ukraine where the u.s. intelligence says that the missile was fired from. one launcher is missing one of its missiles. that's critical. one launcher missing one of its missiles. and all three, according to the ukrainians driven back into russia one day after the shootdown. they believe the russian trainers and advisers may have been embedded in the forces there on the front lines and either assisting them or

actually pushing a button that fired a missile. also, the united states intelligence say that they know the i magery from the launch, they know the trajectory, they know exactly where it was launched from and it was launched from ukrainian rebel territory. they say that we know the timing. it is exactly when this plane went off radar. the united states and presumably its allies, including ukraine, now building this case which would implicate the russian's government but certainly the russian-backed rebels as the ones who shot down the passenger plane with 298 people on board, 298 lives, 80 children, gone. 100 some odd dutch, gone. the biggest loss of dutch life in something like 100 years in a single incident. the question is, at this point, whoever is responsible will be held accountable. alex? >> another question for you,

tom, is, is there aviation pr pro-tpro protocal? >> the aviation body is going to have to look hard and deep at it is self and wonder whether they should have put restrictions in place over this air space. if there's an act of war going on, where you've already had military planes shot down. just a day or two earlier, military transport plane was shot down. we're told that the air space was closed up to 32,000 feet and this plane was flying at 33,000 feet. i'm not sure any of us would feel comfortable with that margin of safety. if you knew the air space was closed 1,000 feet below you because of the potential that rebels or anybody might shoot down a plane. i think that the euro control is going to have to look at this. i think that the international civil aviation is going to have

to look at this and candidly, malaysia airlines may have some culpability here. now, they claim they are flying in air space that was open. that's true. it had not been closed. that's true. 55 planes flew through that air space that day. and yet you have 298 people dead. >> tom costello, thank you. let's go to nbc's kristen welker who is joining us from the white house. let's go to secretary of state john kerry. what is he saying today? >> reporter: secretary of state kerry is building the case against russia, alex. he said a lot of what you heard tom just say. essentially, that u.s. intelligence points to the fact that the plane was likely shot down with the help of russian-backed separatists and heavy weapon upry provided by russia. those types of missiles were

moved into the eastern rt part ukraine over the last month, that they received training from russian forces. what is interesting is that they are not able to say that this was a smoking gun. take a listen to what he had to say earlier today on "meet the press". >> we are not drawing the final conclusion here but there is a lot that points at the need for russia to be responsible. and what president obama believes and we, the international community join in believing, everybody is convinced that we must have unfeathered access and the lack of access, the lack of access, david, that makes its own statement about culpability and responsibility. >> given -- >> secretary kerry also calling the reports coming from the crash site that bodies are being removed, evidence being removed, the fact that some of those

russian separatists were drunk when they were removing those bodies, he called all of that grotesque and continued to push russia to make sure that that crash site is open and available to the international investigators, alex. >> kirsten welker at the white house, thank you. breaking news from the area coming up. y... you guys mind warming this fella up for me? i'm gonna go back down, i saw some recyclables. make it happen with verizon xlte. find a car service. we've doubled our 4g lte bandwidth in cities coast to coast. thanks! sure. we've got a spike in temperature. so save the day... don't worry, i got this... oh yeah, i see your spaceship's broken. with xlte on largest, most reliable network. get 50% off smartphones like the new lg g3.

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moments of impact there and then running for cover as israel ramps up its offensive into gaza almost two weeks after the start of the conflict. we have breaking news about

israeli soldiers killed in gaza. ayman mohyeldin is live for us. what can you report for us? >> reporter: 13 soldiers were killed during the overnight fighting here in the gaza strip. it took place in an area just to the east of the gaza city. according to israeli forces, as the group was making their offensive into the area, they fought back against some of those attacking them but as a result of the subsequent fighting, there has been severe

palestinian casualties. the death toll in that single neighborhood alone stands at 60 palestinians but that number is expected to rise in the coming hours. there are still bodies trapped under the rubble. they have not been able to recover in the two-hour window that they had during the humanitari humanitarian cease-fire. they were evacuating them for several hours. the death toll number is expected to rise. the operation in the eastern part of gaza is still ongoing. we've been hearing the sounds of shelling and fighter jets flying overhead. an israeli air strike on a single home in an apartment building killed five people, ard coulding to childre coulding according to the sources. alex? >> ayman, can you be self in terms of the casualties on both

sides with regard to the israelis? is it israeli forces only and no civilians? and with regard to those in gaza in that particular area, do they know if it was hamas militants or is it civilians from the area? >> according to the israeli military, 13 soldiers have been killed. no other details have been provided by any other civilians that may have been killed as of now. and according to palestinian medical forces, the death toll since this conflict began is 425. they were limiting this 60, the number that i was citing earlier. 60 was killed in a single neighborhood. they have not given the exact breakdown of who may have been a

palestinian fighter. there is a strong percentage of the 60 that are women and children and that number is expected to rise in the coming hour. today's death toll alone, between all of the 13 soldiers and palestinians stands at 78. we expect the number to rise. palestinian sources say that there are bodies still below the rubble that they can not access because of the destruction and shelling taking place on the ground. >> we see the evidence there in the live shot. ayman mohyeldin, thank you. the security council may vote tomorrow on a draft resolution condemning the downing of the malaysian flight. secretary of state john kerry spoke about it this morning. >> president obama, i'll remind you again, the day before this event, unilaterally moved before this, to put tougher sanctions

in place. i don't think anybody in america is yet talking about troops in there. nobody's talking about military. the point is that we're trying to do this in a thoughtful way with a maximum amount of diplomatic energy and pressure. joining me now is heather conneley. heather, with a welcome to you, doing things in a sensitive way there as the secretary indicates, increased sanctions would be one way to deal with the diplomacy effect. does that have an effect on president putin? would he pull back as a result of those kinds of sanctions? >> american and european sanctions have certainly begun to have an effect on the russian economy but it has not seemed to deter vladimir putin for continuing to provide assistance to the separatists. although president obama announced just on wednesday enhanced sanctions, i think the

administration, working with congress is going to have to go back at this again and to see if there are other areas where we can continue to impose a financial difficulty on the russian economy. but the real key here is europe. we know that european foreign ministers are meeting on tuesday. so far, and obviously with over 200 european citizens whose lives were lost on mh-17, the moral outrage is incredible. but we have yet to see where europe is really willing to put in some very tough sanctions. the other thing we could do is enhance our support to the ukrainian military. so far the united states has provided nonlethal assistance. we could and we'd have to be very careful about this, think about ways of enhancing ukrainian military's ability to push back these separatists. >> heather, has anyone, in either the administration or intelligence committee, been able to get inside putin's mind?

is it within his capacity to think, this could be real trouble for me or russia? >> i think our challenge has been, we put and apply our logic to vladimir putin and he is really using his own logic. in this very sweeping speech he gave on march 15th to the russian federal council, which is when russia annexed formally crimea, he totally refutes the post cold war settlement, that he has a very different vision in mind and that russia will protect any ethnic russian peoples wherever they may be. this is a sweeping statement. and i think that we can continue to deter and change vladimir putin's behavior but he's on a path that will lead to prolonged and continued instability in his region. this has huge implications for nato, for the united states, for europe. he has changed the european security environment completely. >> president, as you know, petro

poroshenko said, we do not see the difference between the event in ukraine and 9/11 in the united states or over the scottish lockerbie tragedy. when the libyans led by gaddafi blew up the pan am aircraft. >> the reason that president poroshenko was speaking directly to mr. hollande, france is selling two assault helicopter vessels to russia and they have not stopped that sale. so this was an immediate plea for the french to postpone withdraw a sale that could potentially be used in either the black sea or potentially the baltic sea. so what do we do? so far nato has not enhanced --

the u.s. has provided soldiers. but as instability increases, i think you're going to see a persistent presence within nato countries that border ukraine and we're going to have to continue to keep our allies feeling assured and very strategically strong in light of continued instability. >> here's my question. do you think that president putin and the russian material is still fully in control of the separatists? and with that in mind, which is the most dangerous scenario? that putin is in control and this still happens or that he's lost control and these well armed separatists are well on their own? >> that's a great question. we know the support from russia, the sophisticated weaponry, the training has continued this fight. but what is unclear over the last several days is how much control russia really has over these separatists.

you've heard calls from secretary kerry, president obama, other world leaders that, you know, they are holding vladimir putin responsible for pulling these separatists back to at least allow an investigation to continue. what are we hearing? gunfire, continued violence. you have the separatists alleging that they are holding the black box and maybe holding the victims to get more out of a negotiation. it's unclear if russia completely controls the situation. but we do know this. they old enormous responsibility for the support of these separa separate tifts so far, vladimir putin has not signaled that he's impacting the situation on the ground in eastern ukraine. >> heather conley, thank you for weighing in. i appreciate it. hot weather threatens parts of the western u.s. what are we looking at greg

postel. >> alex, thank you very much. the first heatwave of the year. it's been cooler than average. we have heat warnings out for minnesota and minneapolis. this is really for tomorrow where temperatures will be rising from their values today. look at this. 87 in minneapolis today but tomorrow, middle 90s for minneapolis. chicago, 92. this is real july heat finally. but what comes with the heat? severe weather chances. severe weather across the plains with big storms likely with all of that energy from that heatwave. in the northeast, it's going to hit up a little bit. mid-80s across parts of d.c. and new york and even a little warmer than that going into tuesday. even 86 up in boston. so slowly turning more summer-like in the southeast. in the southeast, it remains rainy and cool and hardly july-like weather. look at some of these numbers. 82 in atlanta. that's way below and it's going

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accident. >> this woman lost her sister, brother-in-law, and 17-year-old nephew. >> it's horrible to -- to must die on this circumstances. >> reporter: more victims were named british citizen john allen was traveling with his wife sarah and their three children. robert was flying home to his wife and two young sons. families ripped apart. >> those two are my parents. >> kevin lost three members of his family. his parents, both chefs, were taking his grandmother back to malaysia. >> my mom always said, if we are not here one day, you are going to be a stronger man. >> in australia, this girl is mourning the loss of her fathers. >> i don't know how we're going to do it. it's a horrible, horrible

situation. >> 8-year-old, 10-year-old and 1-year-old were traveling home with their grandfather. their parents booked on a later flight. a prayer service in malaysia, 50 friends and family members mourn the loss of a flight attendant. the only u.s. citizen on board was 25-year-old quinn schansman. >> you hope that none of his children will go before you. >> reporter: back in amsterdam, the memorial outside of the malaysian airlines terminal continues to grow as family members wait for answers. we're getting word that at least 192 bodies have been loaded into refrigerated trucks. still no word of how or when they will be reunited with family members. that's causing a lot of frustration and a lot of anger out here. alex? >> katy tur in amsterdam, thank

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welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." the leader of the rebels say bodies of the plane crash have been moved to refrigerated train cars and will stay there until the international delegation arrives. this is video of what appears to be the black boxes that are orange in color. the rebel leader says he will turn it over to the international civil aviation organization. also for today, the separatists are being blamed for destroying evidence that they see at the scene. they are calling these videos the smoking gun. three missiles and one launcher is missing one of its missiles.

welcome, sir, nice to see you, as always. >> thank you, alex. >> let's get you to the latest of what you're hearing in terms of intelligence about possible military involvement and then moving that launcher back across the border into russia? >> i think the evidence is really piling up and secretary kerry made public a significant portion of that, that we have seen tanks, we have seen anti-aircraft weapons moved across the border from russia into ukraine. there's evidence of those rocket launchers being in the facility prior to the downing of the plane. there are conversations that we have to verify bragging about i can taking down a plane before they realized it was a civilian aircraft. all of that, as a former

prosecutor, amounts to pretty solid evidence. i would be very comfortable taking this case to the jury. what's so striking to me, alex, is notwithstanding this abundant evidence of the heavy weapons coming in from russia, putin continues to say he's not arming the rebels. we're back to george orwell where up is down and yes is no and black is white. >> likely repercussions at this point are stiffed up sanctions on russia. are you confident that that will make a difference? >> it will make a difference if we can get, you know, truly powerful sanctions. and i have to think that these events are going to galvanize europe. as you can imagine, going from disbelief and shock to anger right now. and i hope that this will steal the will of our european allies to come together, not only to match what the united states has done but to go with the united states further and go after potentially full sectors of the russian economy, if necessary, to get putin to stop this

support of the rebels. i have heard the discussion earlier, alex, about how much control does putin really have? and i think the separatists would be stopped at pretty short order. moscow bears direct responsibility for this. they may not be able to control every drunken hot head among the separatists but if they cut off the flow of supplies and training, this conflict will come to an end. >> can you envision any circumstances or scenario under which there will be u.s. military intervention? >> no, i can't. and those that say the administration policy haven't succeeded, the only way tone sure that the russians were out would be to put military boots on the ground. we're not going to do that but we have enormous economic leverage if we use it and we can literally bring the russian economy to its knees and i think that would be the most powerful body blow, frankly, to putin who

is riding high in domestic popular support but when the russian economy really starts to feel it, russians may lose some enthusiasm for putin's foreign policy. >> i want to ask you about the crisis in gaza. the past 24 hours have been the most violent yet. 13 troops announced were killed overnight. 74 palestinians. does the u.s. need to put more pressure on israeli leaders, due to the high numbers of civilian casualties and particularly children? >> the united states really has israel's back and we should. if the united states were facing these kinds of attacks on a daily basis, imagine if rockets were flying in the united states and hitting some of our cities, there's no way the united states would stand for that and so i don't think we can have a double standard vis-a-vis israel. the loss of innocent life, though, and it's a painful for all of us. we all hope this conflict will end soon and at the end of the

day it's going to require hamas to stop shooting rockets into israel and they are trying to close those tunnels so that we don't have another spectacle of people coming into the tunnels and either eye tacking israeli citizens or trying to take them -- kidnap them like we saw earlier with such great tragic end of those israeli teenagers. those tunnels have to be stopped, the missiles have to be top stopped. >> congressman adam schiff, thank you. at least seven scientists, some dedicated to aids research and one dedicated to treating alzheimer's. karljin keijzer planned to resume her work this fall. >> reporter: friends and

colleagues of keijzer are still in shock. now they are left to wonder what could have been. beautiful, talented, and driven. 25-year-old karljin keijzer seemed to have it all, including a bright future. >> she loved the idea of going to cambridge. >> she was pursing her docorate. >> he was really interested in working on designing drugs to help people whether it be for alzheimer's, she was working on an hpv vaccine. >> reporter: she wasn't alone in that mind-set on flight 17. a group of renowned aids researchers were also on board headed to an international conference. among them, a former president of the international aids society and father of five and a writer and aids' activist.

>> there are these special people who walk among us who light up the world, both inside and outside. and i remember him being one of those people. >> reporter: for karlj karljin keijzer, it was not about work. it was a vacation with her boyfriend. >> you could tell she wanted to have kids with him. they would have been the most beautiful children. they were so beautiful together and i'm just glad they had each other in those moments. >> reporter: small comforts found in an ocean of grief. and talking with megan mcko mccormick, she says other scientists can step in and pick up where this group lefted off but the inspiration that they provided others cannot be

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of six and after wrestling the man to the ground, the choke hold remained while another officer pinned his head to the sidewalk. garner complained he couldn't breathe at least eight times. he later went limp and died. >> all he did was break up a fight. >> reporter: ramsey recorded the incident on his phone. >> they've got a protocol to follow and they didn't follow none of it. >> reporter: the police commissioner both acknowledged the officer appears to choke garner. >> it's prohibited by the new york city police department as they are in fact by most police departments in the united states because of the concerns of potential death rising from them. >> reporter: on saturday, garner's widow collapsed at a rally before they demanded justice. amid the growing anger is sadness. since the death was avoidable. >> i was angry because he didn't deserve to go like that. they literally jumped on this

man. the one with the 99 on his shirt, i'm pretty sure he crushed his windpipe. that's how hard he took him down. >> reporter: the mayor is really disturbed by what he saw on the video and has sent condolences to his family. meanwhile, an official cause has not been announced. joining me now is retired atfb officer. did that seem to be routine police procedure? >> no, i think it's excessive force. if you watch that video, there's four officers within the frame and within a few seconds other officers stepped in. six, eight, ten officers were there. you don't need a rear naked joke which is a martial arts or judo hold around the man ds neck when he's not violently resisting. mr. garner is not punching the

officers. he's passively resisting. >> and the things he's accused of doing, jim, is selling loose cigarettes. is that a legitimate question, to ask why there would be so many officers on him? >> it's less than a violation than spitting on the sidewalk. he should have been probably given a citation. he's trying to talk to the officers. he appears to be sober. he just appears to be angry because he's been arrested so many times and you diffuse that by talk. the appropriate thing probably would have been a site tags but certainly not a rear naked choke and certainly when you don't have those number of officers. they could have grabbed his arms. >> jim, there's at least one report that suggests that officers failed to officer medical help for seven minutes. do police officers typically have emergency medical training, cpr, using a defibrillator, that kind of thing? >> of course, they do.

fdny is probably one of the best in the world to get the paramedics there in just a few minutes and they would be the best to do that. the thing is, piling on anybody in the head on a sidewalk for any police department is excessive. you can crush your lungs so you can't breathe, your windpipe, throwing people to the ground, it's something we just don't need to do in the police service if the person will obey verbal commands and not violently resist. you see all too many times we're doing that. >> i hate to be cynical. without this video, would this be getting a real second look by the police? how differently do you think this video is being looked at? >> i think it's handled completely differently. the statement of officers, although they may be true, they would not depict how this transpired. you know, the resistance to arrest. it's sad for mr. garner's family. it's awful. i have faith that the

commissioner will look at this and the department will take the right steps to prevent from ever happening again. >> jim cavanaugh, thank you very much. >> thanks, alex. are there any solutions at the big conference today? straight ahead. ♪ [ cat meows ] ♪ ♪ da-da-da-da-da, bum-da, bum-da ♪ ♪ bum-da, bum-da ♪ the animals went in two by two ♪ ♪ the sheep and the frog and the kangaroo ♪ ♪ and they all went marching, marching in two by two ♪ ♪

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the big topic this we'd, the border crisis. >> we handled cuban refugees in two weeks in the 1990s. we can handle 50,000 children coming to our border. let's just follow the law. >> joining me now, jinah kim. >> reporter: people are

extremely fired up about this issue. there are three points. number one, if this was happening in any other country in the world, they have no doubt that they could treat these children humanely and not send them back to their country without due process. they say, let's walk that talk. number two, they say, don't tie this into the larger issue of immigration reform. these children are being caught because they want to be caught. they are asking for asylum from treacherous conditions back at home in central america and we need to treat this like a refugee crisis and not the run of the mill immigration issue. number three, the final point is, the rhetoric coming from some americans has got to stop. we are a nation that believes everyone deserves their day in court. most of all, the children that have actually made it to america. never mind the hundreds or thousands of others who die

along the way because that journey is so horrible. they say compassion should come in this issue, first and foremost. alex? >> jinah kim, thank you for los angeles. that's a wrap, everyone, on this sunday edition of weeken"ws with alex witt". more news later today. seriously? what? they're magically delicious

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