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>> then, the texas border town that is basically on lockdown, where if you don't have the right paperwork, you could be trapped. and daily show co-creator liz winston will be here to discuss her campaign to mobilize women to vote against candidates who are passing laws that are hurting them. but we start in the middle east where the threat of an israeli grounds invasion into northern gaza as well as the potential for drone warfare hangs over an already deadly backdrop. in a violent conflict that only got worse over the weekend and into today. while israeli officials say their iron-dome defense system has prevented any deaths from missile attacks coming from gaza, israeli air strikes have killed about 174 people and wounded more than 1200 in the gaza strip. the israeli military has been dropping leaflets on to buildings in northern gaza warning residents to flee in advance of further attacks. and moments ago, the spokesman for israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu had this to say to nbc's andrea mitchell
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about the potential for a ground invasion. >> as to a larger ground incursion, that is a definite possibility. the military has received instructions from the government to be prepared, and they are ready to go. they've deployed their forces. when the order is given, they'll be ready to move. the goal is clear. we want to stop those missiles raining down on our cities. we want to stop hamas launching those rockets. and one way or another, they'll be stopped. >> nbc's ayman mohyeldin has been following events from jerusalem and files this report for us. >> reporter: joy, the israeli military said it shot down a drone that was launched from gaza into israeli air space and for its part, hamas' military wing has claimed responsibility, saying that it does now have within its arsenal drones that it can use to attack israel and to also spy on israel. they're also saying this is a testament to their capabilities at large, which is seven days into this israeli attack on
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hamas, they're still capable of firing rockets deep into israel and they're now showcasing some of their new technologies, if you will. but the question that is on everyone's mind is whether or not there is going to be a ground invasion. israel over the weekend began warning citizens that they need to leave their homes, particularly in areas that are on the northern border between gaza and israel. and that has a lot of people thinking that there may be, in fact, a ground invasion. the u.n., for its part, says at least 17,000 palestinians have now taken up refuge at u.n. schools that have been converted into shelters. that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be safe. we've seen in the past u.n. schools have been targeted and have been damaged as a result of israeli air strikes. and that is certainly a major cause of concern as more civilians pour into some of these schools and effectively become population centers on their own. at the same time, the health officials here are expressing a tremendous amount of concern over the rising death toll,
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which the united nations now says includes at least 21% of those that have been killed children and at least 80% are considered as civilians. joy? >> all right. now a columnist and senior diplomatic correspondent. david rode is an investigative reporter with reuters. the ai symmetrical nature of the death toll, i think, is what has captivated people over the weekend. you are seeing so many more casualties on the palestinian side. do you think that has increased pressure on either side to come to an agreement or is this just dug in and both sides just want to fight it out? >> unfortunately, the numbers rise significantly before something is done. that has happened before. i'm afraid it may happen again. i understand now that the united states is objecting to the idea of a ground offensive by the israelis. let's hope this doesn't take place. but the point is to ask ourselves and each other, what does each player want?
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what does israel want now? what does hamas want now? i guess if it's the issue of the rockets and drones, i guess conversation must be had also with iran if these, in fact, are iranian-sent and iranian-made drones and rockets. >> david, that is the central question. what would either -- each side want? it doesn't seem there's any mutually agreed upon center here. because what both sides want is mutually exclusive. >> that's the problem. i think hamas is happy with what's happening, this drone effort today, which was essentially pathetic. israelis shot it down. immediately shows they're resisting. i don't think they celebrate civilian deaths. again, this asymmetric number. 104 palestinian deaths, 84% of them kifl yans, compared to no israeli deaths. this kind of headline is going to help isolate israel. it helps iran. at the same time, the domestic politics in israel are stop
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these rockets one and for all. i think there's a good chance you could see a ground invasion. >> and raghida, that's part of the point. on the israeli side, benjamin netanyahu has a public that's very angry ever since the kidnapping and killing of those three israeli teenagers. there has been a huge ground swell of support for very decisive and very, i guess you could say, ruthless military action inside gaza. so there isn't any real domestic pressure on netanyahu to come to an agreement and then to the point that both of you just made, there isn't any pressure on the other side either. does the united states have any leverage here at all? >> well, don't forget that secretary kerry has been very engaged trying to find that soluti solution, that very elusive solution that everybody knows and talks about, which is a two-state solution. the question we must also ask ourselves, is this escalation part of aborting such effort? again, you know, this leads to the weakening eventually of the
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palestinian government, mahmoud abbas, who is a partner, who is a legitimate partner in making peace with israel. so if this leads to driving mahmoud abbas to having to stand with hamas, which is nothing he likes to do, and if the arab foreign ministers today are meeting to take a position, if there are pressure to support hamas, which is not to the their liking, and if the egyptian president is also pushed, then they're going to have to take that position. even we may see there is, you know, maybe mahmoud will be forced to go to the international contract court because this is something he's been avoiding to do. but the israeli public is not pressuring its leadership to stop and step back and tell us what you really want and what is this leading to because it's not going to finish up the hamas ability to send these pitiful rockets. again, we need leadership. we need the united states to get in and say, enough, let us pull
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back and see if we can really do something about it politically. because we need an initiative, a real major initiative to take us away from the brink. >> yeah, but david, there is the famously sort of chilly relationship, not even sort of, chilly relationship between benjamin netanyahu and president obama. there doesn't seem to be a tremendous amount of give there. what about the governments in europe? where are they coming down on this? we've seen the u.k. begin to evacuate some of its citizens out of the area. does europe have any lerch to be able to bring these two sides together? >> there is, you know. and the israelis say it's not fair, but there's much more sympathy for the palestinians. in europe, i think this asymmetric number of deaths is playing out differently in europe than it does in the u.s. the palestinians don't expect sympathy here. they're really pushing for european governments to support them at the u.n., to support them at the international criminal court. and that's what israel's got to be concerned about. in terms of the u.s., and we were just talking about it, john kerry just circled the globe. he did not go to israel. this administration is stepping back, and they're not going
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to -- >> he's been there like 30 times. >> yes. no, no, i agree. his relationship with netanyahu is also very bad. when he broke off the talks, you know, his aides told me they were hoping maybe a new round of violence would lead both sides to be willing to make historic compromise, but that doesn't seem to be happening, and kerry is not willing to go back, at least at this point. >> this is taking place in the context of a wider series of conflicts sort of pinging around the region. you still have syria. you still have issues between syria and lebanon. you still have kerry's diplomatic trips to iran trying to sort of salvage multiple, i guess, fingers in the dike. talk about this conflict in that wider context. >> you mean diplomatic trips on iran, not to iran. >> on iran, yes. >> so listen, i think we have new situation. if you remember the last major escalation in gaza which led to about 1,000 deaths -- >> 1400. >> 1400. that was at the time when we had the muslim brotherhood ruling in egypt.
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it was a time of president morsi. and there was more of a regional celebration, if you will, of the muslim brotherhood, which does not exist now. so then you really need in the geopolitical situation need to look at it under a different light. you absolutely have hamas, which is accused to be terroristic from the point of view of the israelis but not so from the point of view of the arabs and palestinians. hamas is now officially a partner in the palestinian government. therefore, you have a palestinian public opinion which has had it with hamas at times, but when israel does this and that number grows, the number of the dead grows, then you have a palestinian people who are standing with hamas. however, back to the basics of this, hamas is not isis. hamas is not a terroristic organization. hamas is part of the palestinian people. you make -- i'm critical of
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hamas. clearly, i do not make any apology for that. but in the way that the israelis are doing things now, they're strengthening hamas in the eyes of their people and the arab people and weakening the man who wants to make a deal with them. >> indeed. and those pictures going all around the world as i think both of you made the point, particularly in europe. but i think increasingly in this country too. so horrific to see children and disabled people. thank you very much. >> thank you. all right. time for an update on sergeant bowe bergdahl. military sources have told nbc news that bergdahl has completed the final phase of his reintegration program and he's ready to return to active duty. he will likely be assigned to a desk job at ft. sam, houston, until the army finishing the investigation surrounding his disappearance from his base in afghanistan. the taliban held him for five years, and the military is not saying whether sergeant bergdahl has been in contact with his parents. we'll continue to follow this story and keep you posted. and coming up, the border
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my border, though, was the pacific ocean. i got here on a plane. i didn't cross the u.s.-mexico border. n >> that was jose antonio vargas on this show just over a month ago. vargas is a filipino-born immigration activist, journalist, filmmaker, and arguably the most famous undocumented immigrant in the u.s. as you just heard him say, he came to this country from the philippines when he was 12 years
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old. he famously revealed his undocumented status in a "new york times" article back in 2011. he followed that up with a "time" cover article that took his story and that of nearly 12 million others out of the shadows. and he's gained even more visibility in recent weeks with the release of his film "documented," which chronicles his own might and that of millions of others like him living here in america. last week, vargas travelled to mcallen, texas, to document the humanitarian crisis at the border. it's there where he realized that he, like the people whose stories he came to tell, lacks the necessary documents to be able to leave that town. on friday, politico published this article vargas wroe from mcallen, entitled "trapped on the border." in it, jose writes, i came to texas to document the crisis of undocumented immigrants. now i'm stuck. ryan grimm is an msnbc contributor and reporter for "the huffington post." i guess the first question would be, jose vargas is an award-winning journalist.
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did he not check out before he went down there the status of mcallen, texas, to make sure he didn't get stuck there? >> you know, he had traveled to, i think, more than 40 states in the course of reporting his documentary and the other work that he's been doing about immigration, but he told me over the weekend he'd actually never gone specifically to a border town. and if you haven't done that, or if you don't have friends who live there who describe it to you, it's very hard to understand just how different from the rest of america it is. it's sort of like a hundred-mile-deep bill of rights-free zone down there. you go from one place in america to another place in america, and you can get asked for papers. you can say, hey, look, i'm a u.s. citizen. they will say, prove it. so jose found out the hard way from people who knew this. they said, it's great you're down here. it's so brave of you to come down here, because now how are you going to get out? he said, huh? what do you mean get out? i'm in the united states now. but in some ways, you're not
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with regard to, you know, the different rights that people have outside of that hundred-mile zone within the border. >> yeah, indeed. the aclu has called that zone a constitution-free zone. that's been their name for it. i want to read you a little bit from the piece that was published in "the huffington post." i believe that you interviewed jose antonio vargas for the interview. the border is more secure than ever. this is the quote. they're everywhere. actually, as i'm talk to you, there's a border control van at the hotel i'm staying at. then he adds, i'm going to fly out of here. i haven't decided exactly when, but it's going to be a test since the border patrol is also at the airport. so, you know, there's been this meme particularly on the right that our border is completely open and porous. but it does feel like the border is not only secure, it's super secure. >> right. the state of affairs on the border is one of the examples, probably one of the top examples of the division between reality on the ground in america and the
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way that things are talked about here in washington, and particularly by republicans who oppose immigration reform but also by a lot of journalists and other centrists who genuinely don't understand just how locked down the border is. as jose found out, you know, there are 21,000 border patrol agents across. there are drones flying across. there are fences that cover a lot of the area. and the children that are getting swept up would rather have crossed the border and gotten to one of their family members, and 20 years ago or so they may have done that. the border is so secure now that the border patrol agents are spotting them miles away. as they get close to the border, they're apprehended. so the tens of thousands of people that are apprehended is actually evidence that the border is secure. border security is not the problem right now. the problem is that we have a broken immigration system with more than 10 million undocumented people here. >> yeah, indeed.
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i think we can put that map back up again that shows the hundred-mile strip around the southern border that shows you this phalanx of security that's strewn across the southern border. indeed, as you made the point, the children, the people who are coming in are actually going up to border patrol officials and turning themselves in because they want to find their family members. i want to ask you, since you have talked to jose on the phone where he is, give me a sense of what he's reporting is going on at the border when he talks to other people. what do the migrants themselves say that they want? >> right. so if you are undocumented and you managed to make it to mcallen where you thought your american dream is going to start, you found out that you weren't quite there. within about 45 miles of mcallen, every way that you try to exit, you're going to come across some type of a check point. you also come across border patrol agents just doing, you know, your routine business throughout the town.
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igor talked to one guy whose mother and sister were both deported and were booted out within hours of getting picked up. so it's nothing like we have anywhere else in the country. this is a unique situation, but as you showed, you know, this captures millions of people. this is not some aberration that covers a one-mile stretch in some depopulated ranch. million of people are living under this situation. >> indeed. ryan, keep us posted on jose antonio vargas and his whereabouts and if he's able to get out of mcallen. thank you very much, man. >> you got it. >> a quick programming note now. last week we asked for your questions for tamika mallory and eleanor holmes norton. now they've answered. visit thereidreport.msnbc.com to read their answers to your questions. and don't miss our next generation to generation interview this wednesday with congressman joaquin castro and henry cisneros. we'll be right back. if i can impart one lesson to a
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right now one solitary federal judge in north carolina may be all that stands between a fair election in that state and one that not only could diminish voting rights but potentially hand the u.s. senate over to republicans this fall. district judge thomas schroeder a bush appointee, is currently weighing evidence presented over the course of four days last week where the u.s. justice department and groups including the naacp asked schroeder to issue a temporary injunction against provisions of north
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carolina's draconian voter i.d. law set to take effect this midterm. considered one of the most severe in the country, the law helped to inspire this year's moral mondays protests in the state and would include a number of onerous demands. this year voters could see an end to same-date voter remember strags and a prohibition of counting provisional ballots accidently cast in the wrong precinct. by 2016, this could see demands for shvoters to show a state-issued voter i.d. if schroeder rules against a temporary injunction, then those provisions could dampen the turnout of minority and young voters for the midterm elections, which already suffer from low turnout. giving the gop a leg up in their efforts to unseat democrat kay hagan, whose defeat could put republicans in a better position to take the majority in the senate.
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irving joyner it a professor at the north carolina university of law. ari, i'll start with you by quoting the post you put up at the nation on voter i.d. you say the most controversial vision of the new law doesn't go into effect until 2016 and thus wasn't discussed much in court. but the state is doing a test run in 2014 where poll workers will ask for photo i.d. but voters don't have to show it. because of the potential for confusion, the north carolina naacp asked judge schroeder to enjoin the test run. how does that make sense to say that this law isn't in place, but how would voters know they don't have to comply with the request? >> that's the problem. they're going to hear they have to show i.d. they're going to hear poll workers are going to ask for it and voters may not show up because they don't have the right i.d., they don't have the underlying documents to get the i.d., and they won't vote. voter i.d. is going to be a very controversial part of the law. it doesn't come up much in court. it was mostly focused on the cutting of early voting.
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>> and professor joyner, i should add you're also an naacp long-time civil rights attorney yourself. is there a lot of hopefulness on the side of those who oppose this law that this judge will issue an injunction? and if he doesn't, what is the plan b? >> well, in the first place, we feel that we presented a compelling case. we had evidence presented from legislators who were involved in the process and testified that this was an irregular proceeding. it was a hurried and hectic one in which democratic legislators did not have the opportunity to have any meaningful input. we had activists from the community, a 93-year-old african-american woman who started voting in the days of jim crow to talk about the impact these voting changes have had on african-americans in the
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state, community groups and organizations. so we had a strong case. we are hopeful that judge schroeder will look at the evidence in the light most favorable to the plaintiffs and issue an injunction. but if he doesn't, we will have to continue the work that we've begun already, and that is to register the maximum number of african-americans, latinos, young people, poor people in the state, and then to get them out to vote in november. we're not telling people how to vote, but we're certainly telling them they need to get some power under their belts in order to get out in november and vote their conscience. >> and we have seen this stunning proliferation almost immediately upon the united states supreme court, you know, junking, essentially, section four of the voting rights act. it didn't even take 30 days before a lot of states,
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peculiarly in the south, many of them republican states, issued this phalanx of strict voter i.d. laws. we have arkansas, georgia, indiana, kansas, mississippi, tennessee, texas, and virginia all with strict photo i.d. laws. and virginia. you have nonstrict photo i.d. laws in arizona, north dakota, and ohio. what's been the impact of those laws on voter registration? are you seeing that converse behavior where people are alarmed and are reacting by doing increased registration, or are we dampening voter behavior? >> well, the hope in north carolina is that you will see higher turnout. the moral monday movement is putting 50 organizers in 50 counties this summer to replay a freedom summer to try to register 50,000 people. if they can register 50,000 people that, will offset some of the impact of not having same-day registration, cutting early voting. but this supreme court decision radially changed the law in north carolina. north carolina is a perfect case study. they took a bill that was a 16-page pretty loose voter i.d.
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bill, and it became this 57-page bill that basically took away every opportunity they had to try to improve voter turnout. now the burden of proof because of that decision has shifted from the state of north carolina on to the justice department and private plaintiffs, so those most impacted by discrimination have to prove the discrimination. it's a horder provision of the law they have to prove. so it's really, really a lot more difficult now to prove discrimination because of the supreme court decision. >> professor, we know what chief justice roberts said about reasoning and what the supreme court majority has said. they're saying, there is no more discrimination. when you talk to republicans in your state, what do they say is the reason for these sudden, swift, and seemingly very targeted laws that do seem to overwhelmingly impact minorities and young voters? >> they claim it's to protect against voter fraud on the one hand, and to bring back integrity to the voting process.
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that is obviously very suspicious claims. we have a series of laws in place that african-americans lobbied for beginning in 1999. early voting. and in 2005, same-day registration. that resulted in a significant increase in the participation of minorities in the voting process. and it was only after these communities came out overwhelmingly to support barack obama and other democratic candidates that there was an effort to cut back. so all of the provisions in the law, progressive provisions that were used to gall have a niez african-americans and get them to the polls, to get them to register, and this is significant from a community that doesn't trust the system. but they came out, they put their faith in the system, and now the right-wing components of
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the republican party are in a rush to kill all of those efforts. and that is what we are fighting. >> yeah, it is convenient that this sudden discovery that everything is fraudulent wasn't when they were elected. just when the presidential elections happened they discovered something was wrong. >> and in north carolina, they presented no evidenced to show voter fraud. >> thank you very much. appreciate you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> all right. and now a reid alert for you. an fbi investigation has reportedly concluded that two police officers in the central florida town of fruitland park are members of the coup clux clan. deputy police chief david borst resigned last week, and george hunnewell was fired. the fbi has turned the investigation over to the florida department of law enforcement, because technically it's not a crime to be a member of the kkk. the town's police chief has been quoted as saying, these allegations are, quote, despicable and disgusting. we'll be right back.
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okay. last night i was visited by jesus christ. like, the jesus christ. >> sarah. >> and he told me how he was really bummed by all these -- >> people who use my name for intolerance and oppression. >> i was like, wow. then he said, i want you -- >> to spread my message to the people. >> and i was like, me? no one's going to listen to me. and he was like, yeah, that's the test. >> even if they think you're kidding, they'll hear it. and they'll make their own choice. >> that is comedian sarah silverman talking women's rights with the man upstairs. it's part of a new campaign by a team of women who are using humor to expose the political efforts that are chipping away at women's rights to freely access health care across the country. liz winstead is my friend and comedian and co-founder of lady
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parts justice. he's also co-creator of the original "daily show." the site is launching soon. i'm going to let you tell us, what is this about, lady parts justice? >> what we decided is a group of us, some comedians, some writers, sol filmmakers, some friends in d.c., we all come from this kind of little radical background of, like, using art can make a difference. so they come from music. i come from comedy. we were like, what if we actually just laid it down and didn't listen to what anybody said was appropriate or was correct? the facts are right, but the approach is, how do we reach people talking about this issue through a pop culture lens where they're like, touched, moved, outraged, not safe for work, all of the above, tackling all of the laws that are coming out of the state legislatures in all 50 states. >> you have tons to work with. you have, i believe, you're not
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even having to write your material anymore. the right is writing it for you. >> i feel like i'm cheating. every day i wake up and it's raining awful. what's good for comedy is always bad for the nation. tomorrow we're launching this site, it's an interactive map. you can click on every state and see some video we have made, these beautiful videos. michigan, for example, has this horrible rape insurance law. the thing that struck us the most is not only do women have to get a policy before they're raped to cover an abortion if they were impregnated, they have to do it before the rape. so we thought, not only is that awful, someone might benefit from it. so we took those progressive ads and did a satire of flo calling it regressionive insurance and we watch a woman go buy her rape insurance. so we're pushing boundaries. it's been really fun. it's been a great community of people who have been dedicated to doing it. it's going to raise some eyebrows for sure. >> indeed. as they say, we have a clip. let us play a clip.
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this is about louisiana. >> positive pregnancy test, time off work, four days of childcare, gas for 800 mile round trip to the closest louisiana abortion provider, two nights in a hotel due to a 24-hour waiting period because of state mandated counseling, procedure. total cost, $1,635. planning your family without the governor's help, priceless. >> and liz, because you're you, what you do is hilarious and funny. we were clicking through some of the preview stuff you have. >> that you couldn't run on the show. >> none of which we could run. even though we're cable, we're not that kind of cable. but at the same time, is it depressing to you to think that this far after roe v. wade, this far after we thought things like birth control were a done deal, not on the table, that you have to do this because women need to be aware that everything is on the table? >> i think that it is
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depressing, but it's also really hopeful that we've been doing teach-ins around the country with women between the ages of 19 and 28. the depressing thing is they don't really know what's going on. they've never heard of hobby lobby. they don't know who bobby jindal is or who their governors are. now they want to sign up. our future begins with us. these young women are starting to know that. if we can get messaging that they would access first and get the message second, pop culture, medians, music, what is this funny website? it's kind of daring. it's kind of edgy. then they learn something. there's tons of facts we have on the website. when you click on the video, you read the stuff going down in each state. then we say, get together with your girlfriends. get a beer. get some flyers. come back to lady parts justice. we're going to give you tips on how to make fun things to put on people's door steps, go door knocking. a whole new way of raising awareness. it's got to become part of our lives again because that's where
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we're at. if we start saying pay attention, it's fun, it's awesome, and also reconnecting with your friends and your cohorts in a whole new way. >> indeed. and there's muppets. >> we have a uterus puppet. >> what's better than a muppet that's adorable? >> and hopefully this will get younger women galvanized to really think about this. this is a huge issue. >> it's a huge issue. >> what do you hope for in parting? what is your sort of best-case scenario for what comes out of lady parts justice? >> best-case scenario is people go there, they start connecting with other people in their communities, and then we have september 27th, we're calling v to shining v, which is a national day where you throw a house party, a block party. get your friends together, invite them over. start planning about the midterm elections. i refuse to let anyone say, no one is going to turn out anyway. 10 million more women than men voted last election. we're getting them back out.
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>> the great his winstead, you're the greatest. >> thanks, joy. >> thank you very much. coming up on reid between the lines, the good, the bad, and the ugly of the immigration debate. and how it's exposing some ugly americans. but i've managed. ♪ i got to be pretty good at managing my symptoms, except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. ♪ when i finally told my doctor, he said my crohn's was not under control. ♪ he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. and that in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. [ female announcer ] humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure.
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so there are two sides in the debate over what to do about tens of thousands of kids streaming across the u.s. southern border, fleeing from their violence-plagued countries. there's the compassionate, let's do something about it side. and then there's this side. >> these people are from the middle east, central and south america, to name a few areas. many having terrorist ties, gang affiliation, and many sick with illness and disease. by the very definition of the fbi, president obama would be classified as a domestic terrorist. obama wants to change the policies of government. he has created a condition of fear and terror, and he's placing michigan in harm's way. >> the children that are involved here are only pawns in
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a game to control our nation. it's an invasion, nothing less than an invasion. >> i'm not here because i'm a racist. i'm not here because i'm an old white guy. i'm here because i'm concerned about what's happening and the decisions the federal government is making that's going to affect me and my grandchildren. >> we want to live the american dream for our kids, not some kids dropped off in our lap. >> so the meeting in michigan last wednesday was to discuss a plan to house up to 120 14 to 17-year-olds from honduras, guatemala, and el salvador. part of the group of more than 52,000 unaccompanied minors who have crossed into the u.s. at a facility called pioneer work and learn run by wolverine human services in vasser and paid for by the federal government. the first guy you heard there with was a republican candidate for the michigan house.
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while most of the people who showed up at that town hall meeting were opposed to the plan, a few did speak up in favor of it, including dan grimshau, republican candidate for the republican house, who lives in vasser and said, quote, this is a christian issue. it's about responding with help and doing our part. i think most people would view it that way. we have to ask yourselves, are we going to be good samaritans? the people of vasser are far from alone. the idea of transporting those undocumented children to facilities around the u.s. has triggered controversy and angry protests in other places, including most famously, or infamously, in the california town of murita. and it's triggered some pretty far hv out commentary among washington politicians. >> under article one, section ten, the state of texas would appear to have the right not only to use whatever means,
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whether it's troops, even using ships of war, even exacting a tax on interstate commerce it wouldn't normally be allowed to have or utilize, they'd be entitled in order to pay to stop the invasion. >> ships of war. and these guys on fox. >> they found a quran in a backpack on the fence between me and another rancher. there's lots of people coming that aren't the maids and gardeners that middle america believes are crossing that border. the border is on fire, and washington is ending us gasoline. >> they're not from the middle east. or there's senator mark kirk of illinois, who released a press release calling for any of the kids sent to chicago to be given criminal background checks to, quote, reassure our nation that these individuals pose no threat. and let's not forget texas governor rick perry, who's out
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to prove that indeed photos of a tough-guy governor with guns totally solves the immigration crises. there's truly an ugly side to this debate over the central american refugee children. it is to put it mildly not america looking our best. just saying. and that wraps things up for "the reid report." i'll see you back here tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. eastern. but sure to visit us online. "the cycle" is up next. what you guys got going on? >> hey, joy. we have an exciting show. i'm excited about every block today. we're going to end today, as you did, talking about those central american refugees. i'm going to make the moral case for why they need to be allowed to stay, all of them. we're also going to talk about people who want so segregate themselves in louisiana. we're going to talk about the conflict in israel. and of course, because it's monday, we're going to talk about that benghazi panel. >> oh, indeed. always appropriate and good on you guys for getting deeper into that immigration issue. thank you very much. "the cycle" is up next. the mirr and kind of go like this...
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cycling right now on msnbc, ship wreck razed. crews in italy are carrying out the delicate task of raising the costa concordia. and u.s. sergeant bowe bergdahl returned to regular service today, manning a desk. officials say they're still investigating the circumstances surrounding his capture. and some movement just this afternoon on capitol hill to ease the crisis at the border. a bipartisan blueprint that sounds an awful lot like obama's request. surely that means it's dead on arrival. it's day seven in the latest israeli hamas conflict in gaza. there are no signs this is going to let up any time soon.
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right now the arab league is holding an emergency meeting in cairo calling on the international community to intervene and broker a cease-fire. so far, israel has launched 1500 attacks on gaza. the militant group hamas has fired about 1,000 rockets, most intercepted by israel's iron dome shield. that's why there have been zero casualties in israel, while in gaza, the death toll it over 170. in northern gaza, a massive evacuation is under way. 17,000 palestinians have fled their homes for u.n. protection. the u.n. has pulled 150 american citizens out of gaza. in the past week, the israeli military has been trying to take out hamas rocket capabilities inside gaza. both sides are starting to lay out cease-fire conditions, but no formal proposals are on table. we have reports from both sides of the border with nbc's martin fletcher in tel aviv, and nbc's ayman mohyeldin in gaza. let's start with you, martin. >> reporter: