show, congressman. where else could you have a congressman from washington preach the bible to a preacher. i'm al sharpton, stay tuned. "hardball" starts right now. >> what a dispute, let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews. the president is in the lone star state. he having a meeting with rick perry and other officials. the immigration itself, no one believes is working. hardly stopping the flow of illegal immigrant.

we can see that. it is hardly providing respectable or reasonable life for those that come here illegally. here is the president of the united states. >> good meeting with governor perry, local officials and faith leaders to talk about the steps that we have taken and that we need to take to address the humanitarian situation on the border. and i want to thank everyone involved for taking the time to talk to me. it is important to recognize two things. first, the surge of unaccompanied children and adults with children are arriving at one sector of the border. and that's the rio grande valley. second, the issue is not that people are evading our enforcement officials, the issue is that we are apprehending them in large numbers. and we are working to make sure that we have sufficient facilities to detain, house and process them appropriately. while attending to unaccompanied

children with the care and compassion they deserve while in our custody. while we intend to do the right thing by these children, their parent need to know that this is an incredibly dangerous situation, and it is unlikely that their children will be able to stay. and i've asked parents across central america not to put their children in harm's way in this fashion. now right now, there are more border patrol agent and surveillance resources on the ground that at any time in our history. and we deport almost 400,000 migrant each year. but as soon as it became clear that this year's migration to the border was different than in past years, i directed fema to coordinate our response at the border. members of my cabinet, my staff, have made multiple trips to facilities there. and we are also addressing the

root of the problem. vice president biden, secretary kerry and secretary johnson to meet with central american leaders as well as working with our international partners working with smug letteglers wh putting kids at risk. and talking about what they are doing to stem the tide of these unaccompanied children. last week i sent a letter to congress asking them to increase penalties on smugglers and to give us flexibility to move migrant through the system faster. yesterday, i asked congress to fund these efforts. about half of the resources would go to border security. enforcement and kpe indicted removal of those that don't qualify for a humanitarian climate. about half would go to make sure we are treating children humanely. also make investments to further tackle the root problems in central america.

so, right now, congress has the capacity to work with us, work with state officials, local officials, and faith-based groups and not for profits who are helping care for these kids. congress has the capacity to work with all parties concerned to directly address this situation. they said they want to see a solution, supplemental offers them the capacity to vote immediately to get it done. of course in the long run, the best way to truly address this problem is for the house of representatives to pass legislation fixing our broken immigration system which by wait would include funding for additional thousands of border patrol agent. something that everybody down here that i've talked to indicate is a priority.

we passed a common sense bipartisan bill a year ago would have given more poured border patrol agent, put us in a stronger position to deal with this surge.border patrol agent, put us in a stronger position to deal with this surge. and in fact prevent it. let me just close the conversation i had with governor perry, which i thought was constructive. governor perry suggested four specific areas of concern. he was concerned about how many patrol agents were directly at the border. he was concerned that some of the positioning of border patrol agents are too far from the border to deter folks from coming in, as opposed to simply apprehending them. i indicated to him that what he said sounded like it made sense. and that in fact, if we pass the

supplemental, we would then have the resources to carry out some of the very things that he is requesting. on a broader policy level, he indicated concern that right now, kids who come to the border from mexico are deported but because it is not continuous folks if central america have to go through a much lengthier process. i indicated to him that part of what we are looking at in the supplemental is flexibility in terms of preserving due process rights of the individuals who come in. but also, to make sure that we are setting a strong signal that they can't simply show up at the border and automatically assume they will be observed. he also expressed concerns about how the immigration judicial system works. how the administrative processing works. how long it takes and the fact that often times people appear are then essentially released

with a coordinate that might be six months out or nine months out and a sizeable number. that's why they don't show up. i indicated to him that if we had more administrative judges, more administrative capacity, we can shrink those wait times. this administrative practice predates my administration and in fact has been going on for quite sometime and a lot of it has to do with the fact that there's not enough capacity. boemg in terms of detention facilities with you also in terms of judges, attorneys, space, in order to process these things more quickly and expeditiously. so the bottom line is, i believe there is nothing that the governor indicated he would like to see that i have a philosophical objection to. i have asked jay johnson to

contact his head of health and human services when he comes down for the sixth time at the end of this week to coordinate and make sure that some of the suggestions that the governor has are technically feasible and what kind of resources might be needed. what i emphasized to the governor is the problem here is not a major disagreement around the actions that could be helpful in dealing with a problem. the challenge is, is congress prepared to act to put resources in place to get this kudone. i said this directly to the gov floor, is are folks more interested in helping folks or solving the problem? if they are interested in solving the problem, this could be solved. if preference is for politics, then it won't be solved. i urged governor to talk to the

texas delegation which is at the heart of house and has great influence of the caucus and senate. if texas delegation is in favor of this supplemental, which by wait, does not include some things that i know many of them object to in dealing with undocumented workers in this country for quite sometime. this is a narrow issue in dealing with the problem we have right now. the texas delegation is prepared it move. this thing can get done next week. we will have more border patrol age ent on the border. we can shorten the lengths of processing children or adults an children, as the governor thinks is important. we can be sure some of the health issues raised in the meeting i just had are addressed. so we have enough folks

vaccinating and checking on the health status of these children to make sure that not only are they safe but also our communities are safe. the things that the governor thinks are important to do would be a lot easier to do if we had the supplemental that gives us rhett sources to do them. the only question at this point is why wouldn't the texas delegation or any of the other republicans concerned about this not want to put this on a fast track and get this on my desk so i can sign it and we can start getting to work. i suggest some influence over the texas delegation and that might be helpful for the supplemental right away. final point, i want to thank some of the faith-based groups i just met with. as well as mayors, commissioners, local officials. dallas has been incredibly compassionate in looking at

sites and facilities in which they can help some of the children. i indicate in hearing stories of churches prepared to not just make donations but help construct some of the facilities or fix them up and their willingness to volunteer and providing care and assist unto these children, i told them thank you. because it confirmed what i think we all know, which is the american people are an incredibly compassionate people. and when we see a child in need, we want to care for them. but what i think we all agreed on is that the best thing that we can do is to make sure that children can live in their own countries safely. even as we take care of the

problem here, we need to direct resources and assistance as we are doing but not at a sustained and high level level. back in honduras and guatemala and el salvador and other places, so parent don't think it is safer to send their children thousands of miles so they don't get harmed. with that, i'll take a couple questions. yeah, good ahead. >>. just republicans, but some democrats visiting -- can you explain why you didn't did that and can you see doing that at some point or do you think it is politics -- >> jay johnson has visited the border at my direction five times. he is going for a sixth this week. he then comes back and reports to me extensively on everything that is taking place.

there is nothing taking place down there that i am not intimately aware of and briefed on. this isn't theater. this is a problem. i'm not interested in photo ops, i'm interested in solving a problem. those who say i should be at the border, when you ask them, what should we be doing, they are giving us suggestions that are embodied in legislation that i've already sent to congress. so it is not as if they are making suggestions that we're not listening to. in fact, the suggestions of those that work at the border, who visited the border, are incorporated in what i am waiting to sign when it hits my

desk. congress just needs to pass the supplemental. there is a larger issue, which i believe has a lot of politics, which is why aren't we passing comprehensive immigration reform, putting 20,000 agent and give us a lot of additional authority to deal with the problems. that should have been done a year ago. should have been done two years ago. it got caught up in politics. i understand that. one of the suggestions i had for governor perry was that it would be useful for my republican friend to rediscover the concept of negotiation and compromise. the governor's one concern he mentioned to me was that setting aside the supplemental, i should authorize having national guard troops surge at the border right away. and what i told him is, we're

happy to consider how we could deploy national guard down there. but a temporary solution, an permanent solution. and so why wouldn't we good ahead and pass the permanent solution or at left a longer term solution. and if the texas delegation said for us to pass the supplemental, we want to include a commitment that you will send national guard early, i would be happy to consider it. so this should not be hard. at least to get the supplemental done. the question is, are we more interested in politics or are we more interested in solving the problem. if we're more interested in solving the problem, there is broad consensus around some of the issues. there may be controversy on some

of the policy issues. but on a bunch of the stuff, there's pretty broad consensus. let's just get that done. let's do the work. >> mr. president, there is indication with the texas delegation to get behind the supplemental. it sound like you are concerned the supplemental will fall to partisan politics. >> i think it is fair to say that these days in washingto washington,ern is concerned about everything falling to partisan politics. if i sponsored a bill declaring an apple pie american, it might fall victim to partisan politics. i get that. on the other hand, this is an issue in which my republican friend have said, it's urgent and we need to fix it. and if that the case within then let's fix it.

>> as i indicated to rick perry, he suggested, maybe you just need to act and that might convince republicans that they should pass the supplemental. and i today remind them, i'm getting sued right now by mr. boehner, apparently, for acting instead of going through congress. here is the good test case. this is something you say is important. as i do. this is an area you have prior advertised. as i have. don't wait for me to take executive action when you have the capacity right now to go ahead and get something done. i had sign that bill tomorrow. we will do what we can administratively but this gives us tools to do the many things that rips are seeking. at the same time, i will just repeat that if we got a comprehensive bill done, it doesn't just solve this problem

for a year. it solves it potentially for 20 years. and i would urge those who so far at least failed it act on the comprehensive bill, so take another look at it. >> doesn't sound like he made any promises. >> i didn't get any promises but it was a constructive conversation. i think it was a good exchange of ideas. and he did have some specific suggestions in terms of how we align border agent that i've asked jay johnson to take a look at. because i think there may be ways in which we can use the resources that we already have more effect you'vely than we are currently doing. and i think it is important that we've got a strong federal state collaboration on the issue. i will take just two more questions, then i have to go. >> governor perry put out a statement about you securing the

border. does that indicate that he is interested in compromise? >> i'm interested in securing the border. as i explained, as far as i could tell, the only disagreement i had with governor perry was that he wanted me to do it without congress having to do anything. we will do what we can administrativ administratively. i think the useful question, not just for the governor but more boehner and mcconnell and other members of the texas dell gracing is why wouldn't you go ahead and pass the bill to give us the resources to solve the problem you say is important. >> on the document executive action of 2012 is to blame, there is indication that these other children are now taking -- [ inaudible ] what do you say to that? >> if you look at the pattern of immigration into our country, we

are at actually a significantly lower level in terms of overall immigration flow, illegal immigration flow than we were when i took office. i think that the challenge we have that has healy caused a spike is that the significant security challenges in the central american countries themselves. and the fact you have smugglers increasingly recognizing they can make money by transporting these folks often in very dangerous circumstances to the border. take advantage of the compassion of the american people. recognizing that we're not going to simply leave abandoned children who are left at our doorstep but that we have to care for them and provide them some basic safety and security

while we determine where we can send them. but you know, i think one of the most important things we can recognize, this is not a short term problem, this is a long-term problem. we have countries that are pretty close to us in which the chances that children are just far, far worse than they are here. and parents who are frightened or are misinformed about what is possible are willing to take extraordinary risks on behalf of their kids. the more that we can do to help these countries get their acts together, then the less likely we are to have a problem at the borders. and the fact of the matter is

that imcomprehensive immigration reform generally would allow us to reallocate resources because of dhs, instead of us chasing after families that may have been living here for five or ten years and have kids who are u.s. citizens and are law-abiding, say for the fact they didn't come here legally, if they have to earn citizenship, paying taxes, learning english, paying a fine, going to the back of the line, but they are no longer an enforcement priority, that frees up resources to d to do the kin things that we try to do within the resource limitations that we have. all right, thank you, everybody.

appreciate it. >> special correspondent for the "daily beast" and jim reporting and consulting on texas politics since the 1970s, could author of bush's brain and joins us from the border town of mission, texas. first of all to jim and that question may be simple but seems to be the fight here. should the president go to the border today and did he answer that question sufficiently by saying he sent secretary johnson there a half dozen times. is this going to continue to an issue. >> well i don't think he answered the question. as anyone well knows, this issue could stick to him in a way it isn't right now if he kams down here but it would have been helpful for him as a leader to come down and give a pep talk to border patrol and folks down here working their tails off. but would he have seen in the rio grande valley a community that just reached out and has done wonderous things for helping all of these orphaned children and kept the politics out of it. but the problem with the valley,

for the president, is that people down here want something done. if the president can't get it done, the political damage accrues to him right new and not the republicans. that's his problem with the valley. >> michael, an odd situation for the president to be brief bid a political adversary in which he should be doing at the border. there he is relying formally on the governor of texas who want it run for rez about what he should do as president to deal with this crisis instead of going for firsthand information himself. seems to be a weird situation for the president. >> it is weird. he will have to do something. has to be careful and strategic about what he does do down there. i was struck about his words about perry. quite an olive branch to perry. perry had four concerns. he ticked off perry's concerns. he said i agree with them and i want it work with governor perry. boy, chris, did he look tired and worn down, too. you can see he is really worried about this situation, i think. and worried that congress isn't

going to do anything and -- >> let's get to the moral issue here. i expect both of you, and michael, start with this. you can't just walk into the country. you can't have your parent dump you with a coyote no matter how much money you spend. they will send them back, i apparently which he will do. they will send them back to guatemala, el salvador and honduras. he says over years they will fix the countries up. but he is admitting his quandary. morally he says they are facing hell back there. you say he looks tired. i think he looks worse than that. he looks conflicted. >> he is conflicted. and he is between a moral and political rock and hard place, i guess. only political thing he can really do, given the nature of his opposition, given what i suspect will be public opinion on this, is that he will have to

send the kids back. people want the law to be upheld. on the other hand, chris, people do want to see the united states treat kids like this humanely. that is something i wish he would have said more about. he said part of the money is to make sure the kids get better treatment than 20 sharing one toilet, which i read about today in one news story. i think he could have talked more about that and there is more room in americans' heart. maybe not the far right, but in americans' heart to make sure we treat the kid well as long as they are here. >> seems so much of this is a guy driving his car, put his foot on the brake at the same time putting it on the gas. he says we will offer a brake to executive orders for the young people coming into the country. we will send the people from central america back home where they came from. brought here by coyotes. and saying we will legalize people here. and we will work on the border.

this is mind-boggling. democrats want the hispanic vote but they are promising to security border, which doesn't make people happy on the hispanic side of the debate. pushing for tougher bored are control. it seems to be a real conflict, jim, right down in your part of the country. >> down here, chris, the answer is nuance. a certain amount of the discussion about securing borders is just nonsense. the border can be secured. but it involves putting people on the river with guns and firing warning shots at children's feet. you can put up a fence. and you could put constantina wire on it and turn the rio valley into check point charlie like the berlin wall. but we are looking for leadership that is different. allowing the two countries to work together. i think the president's problem about central america, i won't suggest he inherited it.

but the policy is playing a big role in what is happening in central america over the years. we are in some ways inheriting problems we created through foreign policy over years. the president will have to are be more involved. he cannot remain at a distance if he makes the people of the rio grande valley and south texas happy and texas in particular. >> let's talk about what he did in the short speech tonight in the press. he seemed to put the moral responsibility back on to those countries done there, guatemala, el vsalvador and honduras. they want to get out for political and safety regions. he is saying it is dangerous for those kids to go back. what is he proposing. only two more years in this presidency. what does he think will happen to those kids? send them home, stay here, what?

>> i think send them home. that's what this supplemental he is asking for for congress, that's what most of the money is devoted to. to me, that what he is looking for. i kept watching this. he did fine, basically. but i just kept saking my head in sadness and thinking, once this gets to capitol hill, what happens to think? are they going -- i think the republicans might understand that there's a lot of pressure on them. if they block this, that is extremely what are they do going to pass and how much do they put this through the ringer and change it? >> i've studied the maps of these congressal districts. some republican members of congress, and that majority of congress right now, represent nonhispanic people. in some cases, hardly any hispanic voters p. so they have nothing to lose politically by being hard liners

on any kind of legalization. allowing a person to become a citizen. they are playing very hard on this. i wonder if this crisis will change their mind about the issue of immigration, period. >> there's a certain bit of, i wouldn't call it underground economy in texas, but conservatives and hard right in texas, chris, historically hasn't been tough on immigration. because let's face it, a lot of what happens in the economy in the state of texas and the rest of the cannot try but more so, this state is connected to people to who cross the river, work here, build the homes, pick the crops, cook the food, take care of kids. they have made many home builders a lot of money by working in an affordable way. there are counter intuitive politics that get in the way and make this more complicated. as hard as they are on the right, the more problems they cause them self economically with their supporters. they get the hard right vote.

it is a conflicting thing, not just hard for the president to resolve, hard for everybody down here to resolve. but somebody, somehow has to do something that isn't a gross oversimplification of screaming, hollering and say, let's secure the border. you have to understand this this river is not something that is divided this region. it has united this region. there is two kul tris, two economy. these people cross the river and live together everyday. 2,000 people cross the river everyday it work in factories down there as executives and manage manufacturing. it is much more complicated than it appears in washington and new york city and even dallas. >> michael, if they were smart, why wouldn't they just go to congress and say we agree. you actually agree on the need to beef up border protection.

let's not talk about legalization right now, let's just talk about the border. let's not talk about verify and making sure people are working here legally. that's a big question. let's just talk about the border, mr. president. i think they might have them on this. we will give you the $4 billion but use it to protect the border. seems like they could win this argument right now if they wanted to, the republicans. >> they could if they wanted to. but the problem is, that forget tomorrow morning, right now, the right wing, noise machine is cranking up, and they are saying, oppose obama. oppose obama. oppose obama. anyone who votes for this supplemental will be threatened with the primary. the whole ship. >> you're right, no party right now. i have seen it so much. have you too. thank you jim for reporting from the border p. thank you as always, michael. up next, winning over the working class in this country. are the democrats even in this game any more? winning the white voters. especially the noncollege voter. you're watching "hardball," the

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problems facing democrats who may be on the verge after disastrous mid term election which they could well news the united states senate. his solution, old-fashioned retail politics by quoting reerl voters and employing what he calls the bubba strategy to appeal to middle class. dave mud cast saunders says quote finding aa way to identify with the bunnas. southern slang for people of limited haens and less education is not only useful but the democratic party's future throughout the south and rural areas of the country if the party wpt to hold is the yaenate this year -- house of representatives any time soon, it must travel again down many country road at least if i loss pi. you can get hell after lot more with the stories than the issues. are they selling their personal stories lines instead of their

positions on the issues? david mud cat saunders is and sherry saunders. the home of the 2016 republican conventi convention, by the way, is in cleveland ohio. let's go to mud cat. tell us your feeling about why aren't working class regular noncollege, if you will, white guys, not not voting democrat these days? >> we don't go after them, chris. that simple. as brown will tell you and god bless brown for watching out for them, but it a cultural thing. democrats, you know, my party doesn't respect the culture like they should. >> when you think of democrat in a bad way, what do you hear? what do you smell? >> i smell -- we're the party of the intellectuals. but at the same token, we can't count.

in my native south for instance, 37 % of the people in the united states in the census and went turn our back on those people? i think it is electoral insanity and immoral. >> senator, you thank you for joining us. you went to yale but doesn't let it show. which i think is a good thing. you may not agree. how do you succeed? >> mudcat i grew up watching jim mudcat grant pitch for the cleveland indians. thanes with an announcer. he was my favorite player. i know that has a lot to do with your name. >> that's retail product. >> i grew up in a town not too different. it was in the north but a lot of people from appalachia lived right on the edge of my town or went to my town and went to high school with a lot of them.

it is understanding and not being of them with you i think mark warner is a good student of this, you don't look down on people. you don't have to -- you don't have to hunt and be a hunter or necessarily be a fisherman, and all that. but you've got to understand it and like it. all the more, you have to have their back. that's minimum wage. trade policy. mudcat in that article talked about what we did with globalization blew the top of the fire hydrant. it did. the people hurt the most, probably by globalization, in my state, people like mansfold. mansfield, these small towns and middle class cities that don't have much middle class any more because of what is happening. we is have to have their backs. they've got to know we're on their side. and we don't talk assertively like that enough. >> mudcat, kill yourself now and tell me how you would be a corner man for hillary clinton next time.

corner man. loyal corner man. and help get her elected president. what would you advise her? >> i don't know how to advise hillary clinton, to be honest, chris. if you look through where i live and good to small town virginia, you go to small town ohio, it's the same thing. looks like shermond went through and didn't burn anything. like senator brown made reference to knocking off the tire iron. which they did. we go further with favored nation. status for china. why can't we have favored status for the american workers. >> you think nafta and all the free trade arguments, and people in ohio, west virginia, pennsylvania, places hit hard by foreign competition. >> this of course it has.

>> senator? >> yeah, no doubt. no doubt. and i think hillary has an opportunity here. this president right now has done better at more aggressive on enforcing trade rules than his predecessor. i don't see quite eye to eye with him on trade. i think he has to be better on it. i think that hillary need to make it clear that these trade agroemts don't serve american workers. don't serve american small business. they devastate community in places like southwest virginia and southeast ohio. really all over the midwest and south. and she needs to stake out a position that you invest in american workers. don't pass the trade policies. enforce the rules. look at trade in a way that's going to lift workers up, not pull them down. and even when you don't need jobs, pull down wages so that workers in small town and rural

ohio it seems, there is still plenty of fact, not plenty, still a number of factories in places like jackson, but the wages have been flat and these workers are falling out of the middle class. part of that is unionization. we have to be way more aggressive in helping workers join unions if they choose to. most want to. hillary i think recognizes that. she need to be assertive about it. >> mike, i think you add great argument here. i hope everybody listens. i think there is an attitude between the wine and cheese liberals. west coast hollywood people, they don't care about the below the line people they call them. crew people that put the movies together. but my question to you is the democrats see this thing they can win with david and this genius guy that works for president. just get minorities to vote and young liberals to vote and get liberals to vote and labor to turn people out and you don't need the white people. that seems to be the strategy. just pulling operations.

realliy good polling operation. and going the democratic way, you don't need white people. they will be a minority some day. that attitude does tick off white people. your thoughts? and cost you votes. >> well, the deal is, is that if you come to my part off the world, and you get a white bubba to vote for you, that a two-fer. my party need to learn how to count. if i get a vote if southwest virginia for democrat, i don't get one vote, i get two because i took one away -- >> who did you vote for in the last governor's race? >> i wrote in somebody. >> you didn't vote for mccullough? >> no. >> you didn't vet for the democrat? >> no. >> don't you like this show? thank you, mudcat. i today get some information out of you. senator sherrod brown, we are big fans.

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condoms but specific forms that they consider to be abortion. iuds could prevent a vertlized egg to implant on thewall. according to an ob/gyn. only one form of iud may affect implantation. the others do not. congressional democrats unveil legislation they say will override the court's decision of last week, no federal law, including the 1993 legislation could be used for for profit lawyers. the bill's co authored by senator patty murray of washington state. here she is. >> i think women across the country and men are outraged by the decision by five supreme court justices that all of a sudden says your boss can decide what your health care consists

of. i think we have a very good chance of rewriting the law so that the justices can't take away women's ability to make their own health care choices. >> the bill would come up for a vote by next week. even if it gets through the house of representatives and the senate. we'll have to see, but stephanie is the present of emily's list, and nathan diamond is the executive director of the advocacy center. give us a case now why you think this legislation will work to counter manned what happened last month with the supreme court. >> well, it was clear that the democrats of the united states senate needed to act. the court isn't going to protect women in this country, so the democratic women of the united states senate are going to. so i'm not a legal expert. but i'll say we need to alter this law, so we can assure that women across the country no matter where they work. and we were talking about working folks earlier, no matter

where they work, they have the same access to all pieces of birth control that they possibly need. they need access to health care, and that's what this law is going to attempt to do. and i certainly hope that the republicans see the wisdom ensuring that every american woman and their families have the same access to health care. >> nathan, why do you support the supreme court ruling of last week? >> thank you, chris. we supported the supreme court ruling not because we in the orthodoxed jewish community have any opposition to contraception, but we have a strong stake in -- a very strong protection of religious freedom. and especially when the government can serve an important interest in ways that have nothing to do with overriding somebody's religious freedom. we ought to try to have a situation where the government interest is served and religious freedom is also respected. and what's unfortunate it seems about the legislation, that it

was introduced today. was that rather than find another mechanism to deliver to women the contraceptives and the other health care services that the government wants to deliver to them. and the supreme court in hobby lobby said they could deliver to them through another channel, the legislation specifically decides to go after religious freedom again, and say that's the way that we have to deliver women, their health care services by infringing on religious freedom. we can't have a win-win scenario, we have to play a zero sum game. >> if the complainants or the plaintiffs in this case, the hobby lobby group, i know nothing about, except they're recognized to have a religious foundation to their company. i'm not used to that, but that's apparently the case. they believe that abortion is caused by these forms of birth control, the iud and the morning after pills, that's their argument, that's their belief. can you force people that this is murder by their standards,

how do you force people to eat that and say, live with it? is that what you want to say to these people? live with it? you have to do it for the employees? >> no, this -- we have to remember, this is about women's health care. >> no, what about the employers of the company? >> it is about birth control, and there's research and -- >> they say it's abortion. >> everyone stands up and says, this -- that is an opinion, but we have to go with science here, and that's not what this is about. and i -- let's not forget. >> well, the science on iuds by the way -- >> the science -- >> are you sure of the science that the iud doesn't prevent the implantation of the fertilized egg. >> when you explain it, the people of mississippi voted down the personhood amendment which would ban these types of birth control, the reason they did so was because it was going to ban these types of birth control. women need access to health care, this is a big piece of that access. on top of it, the court on thursday issued an emergency

order that expanded it beyond those four. we are on a slippery slope here that is expand tgs already. >> okay. well, we know the fight, everyone watching, the supreme court shouldn't be forced to pay for something in insurance coverage which they personally believe is abortive, even though the employees may want it many nathan diamond thank you for coming on. this is a hot issue, probably not going away. we'll be right back after this. ? you don't know "aarp". because aarp is making finding the career you love, no matter what your age, a real possibility. go to aarp.org/possibilities to check out life reimagined for tools, support, and connections. if you don't think "i've still got it" when you think aarp, then you don't know "aarp". find more surprising possibilities and get to know us at aarp.org/possibilities ♪he cadillac summer collection is here.

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let me finish tonight with that question about white voters, especially men and their vital role in their 2016 presidential election. if white men vote the way they've done in recent national elections. it will stand in the democratic party getting a mandate to govern, not just hold office. hillary clinton can win with a near majority. she cannot win the strong plurality that will give her a chance to carry the congress into office with her. if she doesn't do that, she could be lame duck from day one. this is the problem, theyen cat just keep going to their base. they need to reach deep into the american middle. they need to grab back the people who didn't vote for obama the second time. without pushing the point too hard, they need to get all those votes back and more. the question of anyone, man or woman, democrat or republican in 2016 is, can you win the american people? can you build a national movement, that will not only put you in office, that will give

you the mandate to do something once you're there. that's a huge hurdle, so is being a great president in the 21st century. that's hardball for now, thanks for being with us, all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight we are all in. >> are folks more interested in politics or solving the problem. >> the crisis at the board. the president and rick perry meet in texas as the political circus continues in washington. >> they can't stay. they cannot stay. >> republicans hammer on border securi security. >> come together and secure the border once and for all. >> what if the crisis exists because the borders are secure? then, who we spied on, now we know which americans were under surveillance by the nsa. >> i was a conservative reagan loving republican. >> ben greenwald is here and he's naming names. >> the hobby lobby flood te