way until tuesday when our inland cities go above 100 degrees mid 80s for our bayside communities. meanwhile going to be nice along the coastline. upper 60s to low 70s temperatures do begin to drop on wednesday. more notable on thursday and then into the weekend. it looks definitely more comfortable calling me out . i got a crew from ktvu including me doing the tough mudder in sonoma next week. oh, there's the crew you ask. you shall receive on the water so yeah practicing a little hot hike today. we'll bring the water. thanks for joining us this m ning. have a great >> a special counsel named to srelgt the president's son and maui devastated. >> people lost everything. there are still people missing. >> the search goes on as does the battle against the flames. the fire, the deadliest disaster in hawaii's history, and the cost to repair could be in the billions. we'll have the latest on the

federal response and plans for relief in paradise. and two years since the u.s. military's chaotic exit from afghanistan, families of the service members killed in the kabul airport bombing are demanding answers. >> i won't fight until my last breath gets to the truth. >> we'll discuss two years since the taliban takeover with congressman michael mccall, chair of the committee. and smith, talk debt on house armed services. and surprise developments in the hunter biden criminal investigation. >> i'm here today to announce the appointment david weiss as a special counsel. >> they tried to put out a fire and they put gasoline on it. >> we will ask our sunday panel what role the courtroom drama will play. and the best-selling female gospel artist of all time. we go one on one with her. >> no matter where you are in life, you are praying for

something. you are believing for something. >> all right now on fox news sunday. >> we begin with breaking news. nearly a hundred people are confirmed dead on the island of now -- maui, making it the single deadliest disaster in hawaii's history and the deadliest u.s. wildfire in more than 100 years. catastrophic blazes began tearing through multiple areas of the state tuesday night. many residents and tourists caught completely off guard. these drone images out of west maui show the intense flames as they quickly spread across the island. and this is just some of the utter destruction left behind devastating damage in multiple areas and homes and communities reduced to just ashes. residents now wondering where to turn. take a look at this before and after satellite imagery of the historic town of law -- lahaina. it was nearly burned to the ground.

a spot beloved by lowells and tourists alike, decimated. our fox news senior correspondent has been on the ground in maui talking to those impacted by the devastating fires william? >> reporter: shannon, there are a lot of questions like why didn't maui activate the emergency alert system, but for those living here it is more simple. my friend's alive. where am i gonna live? do i have a job? how do we recover? >> right over there. i'm born and raised here and i was planning on raising my 3-year-old daughter there. >> reporter: like most of lahaina today, lena is homeless. some family members died and others survived. >> she finally answers her phone. she has a 1-year-old baby and yesterday was his birthday. >> lahaina was a really small, nice, historical place and it is gone. >> reporter: hurricane dora passed 600 miles south of hawaii. no one predicted high winds. they were wrong.

>> the smoke was so black and so thick we were worried about getting killed. >> she watched the entire marina including the boats inside go up in flames. >> there was no real route to go north or sout -- south or toward the mountains. the only escape was to get in the water. >> gary savage jumped off the break wall with dozens of others spending the next eight hours in the water before being rescued. >> i don't know, man. i would say dumb luck. really just feel lucky and guilty for having the home. >> this family had just seconds to evacuate, but maui never activated its emergency siren system. >> there was no emergency sounds. they did not sound off the tsunami warnings. >> reporter: officials refused to say why. many died in their cars trying to escape. >> she jammed her car in there trapping her inside and the car

next to her burst into flame. >> reporter: the search for victims continues with just 3% of structures inspected by cadaver dogs. countless remain unaccounted for. fema is mobilizing resources and the biggest challenge is housing. 4500 need shelter. >> we are not taking anything off the table. >> fema director and governor josh green say hotels promised a thousand rooms. >> bringing in temporary housing is one of the tools we have in our toolbox, but we can also do other things like work with direct leasing and use some of the available vacation homes. >> for the generations that built lahaina, the cultural heart of maui is broken. >> i can look at structures and i don't even remember what that was. nothing here is -- nothing here is recognize believe a to me. rec -- recognizable to me. >> there is a curfew in effect and this is where the line begins and it will stretch for miles in a matter of hours. shannon? >> william, thank you so much

reporting live from maui. if you would like to help people affected by the hawaii wildfires donate at red cross.org/fox ford. or text hawaii to 90999 and you will make a $10 donation. back here in washington a criminal trial now appears likely for hunter biden after a plea deal involving tax and gun-related charges has fallen apart. this week a special counsel, a familiar face many conservatives do not trust was tapped to lead the ongoing investigation. it's an unprecedented time in american politics ahead of 2024 with three active special counsels whose investigation all have ties to the leading candidates from both parties. jack smith heading both of donald trump's cases into his handling of classified documents and his alleged efforts to overturn 2020 election results. then there is robert herr investigating president biden's classified documents case and now the appointment of david

weiss overseeing the charges facing the son of a sitting president. we are gonna break it all down in a minute with our legal panel. first, lucas tomlinson joins us from the white house with the status of the investigations. >> shannon, the white house hoped the investigation into hunter biden would be over by now to focus on 2024, but both sides are far on a plea deal. the case could go to trial and a special counsel has been named. >> mr. weiss in his capacity as u.s. attorney began investigating allegations of certain criminal conduct by, among others, robert hunter biden. >> reporter: trump uh -- trump-uh pointed prosecutor david weiss was leading the probe for the last five years. it could bring more charges to hunter outside delaware. for years republicans have accused the justice department of interfering in the probe. the chairman of the house overaoeut committee -- oversight committee say he received

$20 million from sources like china, russia and ukraine while his father was vice president. >> joe was right front and center in this from day one. this is an investigation about joe biden. >> reporter: president biden has long denied any involvement in his son's overseas business dealings. >> never talked business with anyone. >> i'm confident. >> i have never spoken to my son about his overseas business. >> reporter: back in washington on friday, a federal judge told former president donald trump to cool it on social media after this truth social post following his third indictment. the judge telling trump's attorneys, quote, i caution you and your client to take special care in your public statements about this case. georgia's former lieutenant governor will appear before a grand jury on tuesday ahead of a possible fourth trump indictment. when trump was sworn into office in 20 sun -- 2017 georgia had

two republican senators and today it has none. >> lucas tomlinson, thank you. and now to our legal panel. george washington university law professor jonathon turley and the former principal deputy assistant attorney general. well welcome back to both of you. this is a regular thing. there is plenty of wrangling in dc and beyond so let's talk about this. abbie lowell spoke about the appointment of david weiss and whether it confers any new powers and here is what he said. >> people need to understand that the attorney general and he, that he, mr. weiss, said for a longtime, that he had all the authority he needed to bring any charge that was appropriate in any place. so what does the special counsel do that he couldn't do? the answer should be nothing different. >> so that begs a lot of questions. here is what the republican jim jordan tweeted. first he said he didn't have the power he needed and wanted special counsel status. and then he said he had all the power he needs.

and now he gets special counsel status because he didn't have the power he needs. something's not right. tom, what do you make of the timing in this selection? >> sure. first, i would say the special counsel has greater power now than he did a week ago before he got this uh -- appointment. he can bring it in new jurisdictions and he has a little more insulation. he is not 100% independent. may have some pull of strings, but still has power. because the special counsel has more power does president mean he is going to exercise that power. it wouldn't surprise me if this is just a way for the biden administration to cool the flames a little bit on the spotlight that's been put on hunter biden. it allows the special counsel to bring hunter biden to trial by bringing charges in new jurisdictions, but the jury is still out, literally, on whether the special koupb -- counsel will bring more charges against hunter biden or name additional defendants as a result of this probe. >> and our justice producer

asked specifically to the doj is it possible those other people may include investigating the current sitting president? he said they declined to comment on that. here is what the irs whistleblower said about whether the president should be worried. >> there were investigative steps that clearly indicated th, president biden, had some type of involvement, and we just weren't allowed to follow those leads. >> jonathon, what do you think the odds be investigating the head of the executive branch, the sitting president? >> well, the question is why wouldn't you answer that question? you just gave great detail as to the scope of the investigation of hunter biden and you won't tell the public whether the up -- whether the president is subject to the mandate? there is no reason for that. it is a point of clarity. you are telling the rank and file, we aren't necessarily going to investigate the president. there is a sense of re-- reluctance. god help us we have another special counsel. are you talking to the only dc hraoer -- lawyers who are not

serving as special counsel. >> i am not either. >> the three of us. >> we're busy. >> yeah. we're busy. the question is, you know, why won't you expand the mandate? why would you select this individual? i mean, the fact is he violated the statute by going outside the department of justice. that's happened before. but then he selected the person who was just accused by members of his own investigation team of a fixed investigation, and going bar to abbie lowell it is solving the mute knee on the bounty. it doesn't serve the underling concerns about the leadership. this is going to make it worse and likely the fuel calls on the hill to move forward with an impeachment inquiry. >> we will talk about that with the panel a little later, does it throw fuel on the fire? you are making things worse. what about the congressional investigations? let me read something from the "wall street journal" editor board. they say the special status is

convenient because it means they can use the excuse of an ongoing investigation to refuse to answer questions from congress. justices is likely to wall off fbi agents and others who walked on the cases and forget members of the biden family. congress' probe may have hit a dead end. it comes at the same time comb -- epl coulder says we are -- comer says we will subpoena members of the biden family. >> weiss was going to go to congress and testi had given him authorization to do that. i have absolutely no doubt that now the administration is doing a 180 on this. i strongly expect weiss will say, wait a minute. this is an ongoing investigation and the world hats changed and t come and testify. i'll take a rain check and come in a year. at least. it is critical for congress to keep their foot on the accelerator. they did a masterful job getting documents and the whistleblower testimony and bringing this information to the attention of the american people. i don't think they need to let up.

i think they need to push forward as the special counsel's investigation whatever form and shape it takes unfolds. >> so we have a protective order right now in the dc-based case from the feds that essentially accuses the president of all kinds of things related to the 2020 election, january 6th, they went to court deciding what information the former president will be able to release and talk about publicly. the judge in that case in the friday hear -- hearing said this, the fact he is running a political campaign currently has to yield to the administration of justice. and if that means he can't say what he wants in a political speech, that's how it it has to be. the former president and his legal team talked about his first amendment rights. you know he likes to talk about this and the judge and the prosecutors involved. how much does he risk here in potentially violating that order or getting himself a gag order? >> the judge gave the ultimate straight line without breaking a smile and saying the court expects you to show restraint on social media. and that is not likely to happen.

so donald trump could trip the wire, and he could force an issue of a gag order. that would go quickly to the supreme court. there's aspects of the current order i find troubling. they say he can't take any notes, that his lawyers have to watch him at all times when he looks at evidence. this is evidence that is supposedly eventually is going to end up in a trial. i'm more concerned with the definition of sensitive material, that as the judge said, i'm gonna go with the definition of sensitive material. it's a very ambiguous term. so right now this does not look good in terms of the chances of a confrontation and the potential of a gag order. i hope she doesn't go in that direction because i think it would be reverse. he is running for the president -- presidency of the united states. part of it will be the merits of the case and about 80 million jurors will vote on those merits. >> so with all that playing out be will watch to see what happens in georgia and possibly an indictment there in the next couple weeks too.

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tuesday marks two years since the abrupt u.s. withdraw from afghanistan where the

nation watched the scenes unfold. you remember this. people trying to evacuate the country in a chaotic and deadly exit. now, despite assurances it wouldn't happen, the at that point -- the taliban did quickly regain power in a matter of 10 days. since the exit of america's longest war house republicans demanded answers about the administration's handling of that situation. now we control the house and the gop has -pl ra -pd up investigations into the white house response in the final days leading up to the u.s. departure. this week lawmakers heard emotional testimony for the first time directly from family members of some of the 13 service members killed in a suicide bombing at the kabul airport. in a moment we will bring in michael mccall, the chair of house foreign affairs committee and smith. fox news congressional correspondent has more on the emotional testimony from the gold star families. >> yes, very, very emotional and i'm sure you were watching as well. good morning, shannon. these families, a lot of them have been silent the past two

years. they were waiting patiently for this administration to explain the decisions made on the ground. well, they are tired of waiting and they are lashing out. >> i live every single day knowing that these deaths were preventable. my daughter could be with us today. >> chris shamblin chokes up as she remembers her daughter-in-law, one of the 13 u.s. service members killed by a suicide bomber at kabul's airport during the chaotic withdrawal from afghanistan. this week shamblin and five other gold star families spoke out at a public forum, accusing the biden administration of failing their children and then trying to cover it up. >> we were told lies, given incomplete reports, incorrect reports, total discompany -- disrespect. >> today the administration refuses to take any responsibility and denies the evacuation was chaotic and even call itself a success.

>> when our leaders call this evacuation a success, it is like a knife in the heart. >> they have a real hard time when the administration calls with withdraw a success. >> we believe it was a correct policy choice. >> was it a success? >> it was a correct policy choice, but i would never want to quibble with a family member who suffered such a tragedy. >> they want an apology and department leaders to resign, but have little hope that will ever happen. >> my son needed a commander-in-chief who cared solely about his life. instead, his commander-in-chief chose to use him as a pawn. >> when fox asked both the state and the pentagon if mistakes were made, neither would admit that, but state did refer us to its after action report which found, shannon, they could have done some things better. but again, we pressed and pressed and pressed, and they just will not admit that anything went wrong here. no mistakes were made. >> you did a fantastic job

reporting and pressing this week for those families. joining us now from texas republican congressman chair of the house foreign affairs committee michael mccall. welcome back to fox news sunday. >> hi, shannon. >> while we talk about them, i want to put up the 13 service members and their names and faces so that we don't forget just who* -- two years out from this. you heard the parents say they were disrespected and disregarded and they have been lied to. you've been fighting with the state department as we close in on this two-year anniversary for documents back and forth and subpoenas and all kinds of things. are you confident you can get answers for these families and more broadly for all-americans? >> i i will not rest until we get answers and accountability and transparency as to what happened. how did this go so wrong? the gold star families are the best, you know, witnesses to this nightmare. they lost their 13 servicemen and women. abbie gate, we had the testimony of tyler andrew vargas who said,

quote, i had the suicide bomber in my sights, but i was not given permission to engage him. after that the bomb went off killing 170 people, 13 servicemen and women. shannon, this is sort of news breaking. we just have reported today a member of my staff, jerry dunlevy, with his book, the u.s. intelligence had isis in their sight on the same day abbiegate was taken down and the suicide bomber went off. they asked the taliban to go in, the u.s. military, the taliban denied u.s. intelligence requested an airstrike. guess what. the airstrike was denied. it was denied to go in and take out the very forces that then killed our 13 service servicemen and women. this story gets worse by the

day. i will not rest until we get to the bottom of it. >> chairman, who would have known about what you are telling us -- the first time i am hearing it, the level of detail and intel we had and the order denied. who would have had that information? who would have made that call? >> well, it was the general on the ground, mr. donohue. it would be general mackenzie who is in charge of sit com and goes up to general milli -- millie and his decision-making and the secretary of defense. we are prepared to go forward with subpoenas to get to the bottom. these gold star families that you just showed deserve the truth as to what happened to make sure this never happens again. this was not a clean operation. this was not a successful evacuation by any stretch of the imagination. the taliban was put in charge,

and in my judgment that was the worst mistake of all was to put them in charge and not our u.s. military to evacuate u.s. citizens and our partners who fought so bravely with us. >> and many were left behind and still are two years later. i want to ask you this, a new report overseeing afghanistan reinstruction. there is this headline from the report, the biden administration has given 2.35 billion to taliban-controlled afghanistan. what do you tell american taxpayers about their dollars flowing to that group, as you said, that was critical in what happened at abbiegate and now it is clearly -- disrespectful is the nicest way i can say it to women, to girls, to minorities, those are u.s. tax dollars. >> i am prepared in my position to put a hold on this funding until we get assurances it is not going to the hands of the taliban. by the way, shannon, they are

oppressing women. they can't go out of their homes. they can't get educated. women can't even be hired by these charitable organizations in afghanistan, and we're paying the money. the u.s. taxpayer is funding this. we need some assurance that this is gonna go to the right hands, and it is gonna help the women in afghanistan, and if the at that -- if the taliban cannot uh sheur us that we need to be prepared to cut the funding off as a stick rather than giving them a carrot. >> it brings up another item i want to ask you about which is a deal that is coming together to free americans from being held wrongfully in iran. it would free up $6 billion in frozen assets for the iranians to use. i believe we are releasing iranian prisoners as well. we are told that there will be strict guardrails on that money that iran will now get access to. here is democrat and veteran, one of your colleagues. >> this money is gonna still sit

in the bank account and they will have authority to release it. iran will say, we want to buy $10 million worth of grain. and qatar will write the check for that themselves and the grain will go to iran. >> the administration says they will have transparency on where the money goes. are you confident of that? >> you know, look, reagan said trust, but verify. i have to use naive -- naivity. these are accounts in switzerland and are frozen and going to qatar and then iran. the idea of the eye yaw toll lae control over this money and we are talking $6 billion. under obama it was 400 million of cash and airplanes that went into iran. look, i want to get these americans home more than anybody. one of them is a critical asset. i agree with that.

but we have to go in eyes wide open. $6 billion that now is going to go into iran and prop up their proxy war terror operations and their nuclear bomb aspirations. they are now starting to talk about the jcpoa all over again which in my judgment lays down a course to a legal nuclear this. i think we are going back to the mistakes of the past. and finally, shannon, get this, our special envoy to iran to negotiate the jcpoa is under investigation for mishandling classified information. he has the most sensitive information as our top negotiator to iran and to the ayatollah now under investigation for mishandling classified information. very troubling story. >> i have so much more to ask

you about, but chairman we have to leave it there to bring in your colleague. we appreciate your time. come back soon. >> thanks, shannon. thanks for having me. >> joining us from washington state, adam smith, a ranking member of the house armed services committee. thank you for coming back, sir. >> thank you, shannon. >> i want to start with the iran deal. as you heard the chairman just talking about, we have been told there would be guardrails on this money, $6 million, and here is what iran's said on friday warning they have control of these people and adding this, the decision on how to uti resod financial assets lies with the islamic republic of iran telegraphing that -- tell graphicking that they plan to do with this money and it reinvokes for people what the chairman said, the 400 million in cash that was followed by 1.3 additional billion dollars in cash that went in a prisoner swap in 2015 under president

obama. some of the people were trying to get out and they were kidnapped or wrongfully imprisoned since we paid that money. do you believe the iranians can change their behavior? >> there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what is going on here. the money going from korea to iran is money oil that iran sold to korea, and korea did not pay for that, south korea, sorry, because the sanctions imposed on the trump administration. there were a half dozen countries in that situation, italy, india and a few others. all of those other countries under the trump administration have already given iran that under a special payment system. south korea didn't pay that money for complicated reasons and they wanted to transfer it. money of this kind has been transferred. this is money to pay for oil that was given to south korea. this isn't some sort of frozen

asset situation. this type of money has already been transferred. second, the deal has not been finalized. qatar will control the money. whatever iran has to say about it, it will be controlled by qatar and not iran. that aspect makes sense. we are waiting to see what the prisoner swap looks like and to finalize the deal. there's a lot more detail here that i think is not being understood. the trump administration transferred billions of dollars from these other countries backed by iran with no strings attached and i don't hear anybody talking about that. >> in the current scenario giving them $6 billion and they will say it can be for medicine and humanitarian needs and we know the money is fungeable and there are concern that's it amounts to an exswrorb tapbt ransom payment. >> again, it is not. where were the real concerns during the trump administration when money from a bunch of other countries was being transferred to iran, no strings attached, no

prince neithers returned -- prisoners returned? it doesn't seem like a legitimate complaint based on the facts of the situation. >> people are complaining now and they didn't complain then. fair question for them. let's do this, let's talk about critics who say it is putting a bounty on americans' heads including former secretary of state mike pompeo involved in the questions. >> that's an understanding of what the money. it is not a bounty because we are not paying the money. it is iran's money that was sitting in south korea. >> withheld under sanction. >> it is not a bounty. >> let me play the secretary and let you respond. >> secretary of state, we denied them wealth. they were down to alt bit of money. the biden administration up ended that and the iranians will be flush and their terror campaign is more successful. >> this is a country that chants "death to america." >> i understand, but that is completely untrue. under secretary pompeo, these other countries and i'm aware of

them, but iran sold stuff to these countries and sanctions kicked in and the money hadn't been paid. under secretary pompeo, the money was transferred from those countries to iran, no strings attached. so it is not a bounty and that is factually incorrect what secretary pompeo is saying. >> let's turn to afghanistan. we are coming up on the second year anniversary of the chaotic withdraw. the service members and we like to remind people of their names and faces and their families you heard from this week. the special inspector general also outlined in the new report this. despite taliban promises made since gaining power in august of 2021 to be more inclusive counterterrorism, respect human rights and not pose a security threat to the region, the taliban, quote, shows no signs of bending to pressure of reform and compromise and unchecked by any meaningful political

opposition. i will ask you the same question i asked the chairman, what do you say about american taxpayers giving billions to the organization? >> the taliban is awful and terrible and horrible and no other expectation than that. i have to look at that specific report. i know there are a lot of, again, frozen assets that were actually afghan money. i am not sure about the actual u.s. taxpayer money going in. i'm extraordinarily reluctant to send that money. there is one calf dash -- caveat. they are in disaster and people are starving to death and they can't get access to healthcare. we are getting pressure internationally. what can the international committee do to stop the humanitarian disaster? one answer is you got the government you got. you got the taliban leading you. this is where you are at. we can't help. it is such a huge humanitarian disaster that i would say it is worth at least looking at options even though i i don't think there are any particularly good options in the situation.

>> i think you're right. quickly i want to ask about ukraine. the white house is asking for another round of supplemental funding. new polling is showing up and the majority of americans think we have done enough and they don't want to see appropriations of money going to ukraine. this appropriation request, the supplemental has tied up with domestic relief funding and funding for the border. senator marco rubio said president biden is holding americans hostage by tieing critical domestic disaster relief to foreign military aid. he calls it cynical, political manipulation. do you think the two should be tied together? >> it is an initial statement offer of what the biden administration thinks we should fund and we'll see how that plays out going forward. the polling data i have seen is well over 60% of people still think we should be doing everything we can to help the ukrainian people. look, russia has engaged in a brutal invasion of ukraine. you can see the pictures of how they are destroying cities and killing civilians. i think defending ukraine is

something in our interest and an overwhelming majority of americans seem to agree with that. as far as the other pieces concerned, every supplemental i have dealt with in my 27 years in congress has been tied with one thing to another. this is an open negotiation and we will see. there are critical needs and we'll see what the final package looks like. i still support ukraine. i think as a bipartisan people you should ask congressman mccall's question because i'm certain he would agree that this is something we should be supporting. i know he is a strong supporter of ukraine as has chairman mike rogers who is the chairman of my committee of armed services. >> you have been to these hotspots repeatedly and seen firsthand so we appreciate your expertise. >> thank you, shannon. coming up, florida governor ron desantis is taking aim at his biggest rival ahead of the republican debate. donald trump had his own plans up his sleeve.

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>> i think it is fine to bring folks in from washington, but iowa ans are more concern concerned about the people in their community and those they work with and go to church with. >> that's florida governor ron desantis at the state fair. he was referencing former president trump's decision to bring a congressional delegation desantis' home state of florida with him to des moines. julia manchester, the national political reporter for the hill and special assistant to president george w bush, michael allen and richard fowler and indicate pavlich. good to see you. the iowa state fair is a thing and it is happening. what do you make of these entourages that were competing among the fried foods?

>> what it tells you is desantis is obviously trying to put everything into iowa and trump is sort of trying to cut into that. i'm not saying that trump necessarily has a chance of losing iowa at this point, but desantis' team feels confident in iowa. there is a "new york times" poll that comes out and it shows trump with a lead in the 50s. however, when it comes to iowa, his lead is in the 40s and desantis' lead is a few points up. they feel confident and trump is trying to sort of nudge desantis or maybe jab at desantis by bringing the members of the florida congressional delegation. it was notable this week that steve dase supported desantis. his team is making a big deal about that. the question is what happens after iowa for ron desantis? how does he compete in new hampshire and south carolina 1234* we'll have to to see.

right now it is all eggs in the iowa basket. >> if you score the first win, it has not served as a guarantee to be the eventule nominee -- eventual nominee. there is an aspect to scoring an early win in one of those states. >> donald trump lost iowa and went on to become the republican nominee and won the presidency. for ron desantis, people in iowa, unlike the rest of maybe the gop base, are shoppers. they are willing to change their vote and look at other candidates and ron desantis is taking advantage of that by being there and doing the tour. he sat down with iowa's governor and she is doing chats with all of these candidates. president donald trump literally did a fly over. he flew in and did a rally and flew out. he may not see iowa as a necessary win because he didn't win it last time and he has been focused on other things, and other states, ron desantis though is looking for voters in a place where people are looking at the candidates and willing to

make a different choice. >> i want to look at the other side of the ticket. with the appointment of the special counsel for hunter biden and the plea deal is going away and he may have to go to trial, the ap, politico, say it will be an issue for the biden campaign. they say president biden will have the excuse of the investigation to refuse to answer questions about the biden family business during the campaign and the press core may give him the pass. it has belly flopped into the 2024 presidential campaign and it is a headache no election campaign needs. >> i will take what the journal says at face value. nonetheless, if i am a house republican and looking at this politically, i will do a little dance here. we have more pressure on the biden family to answer for all of hunter's activities and all the vice president biden's activity when's he worked for president obama. for me it brings it more to the mainstream and allows more pressure to the biden family.

i get that this wish -- the house republicans wish it was a different special counsel, but nonetheless, this is political pressure and it is vindication for their efforts thus far. >> so it's not just republicans who might be taking notice of this and the impact because there are democrats that potentially sound like they may be souring on president biden. "new york times" reports this, representative dean philips, the minnesota democrat called for someone in the party to challenge biden says the special counsel news, quote, my rational for urging a biden alternative has gone from a distraction and ridiculous to, oh wow, maybe something is there. and by the way, he is somebody that has been courted potentially by donors to jump in the race. does this mean the president maybe doesn't have a clear walk to the nomination? >> i think the president has a good chance of winning this nomination because there aren't any contenders in the field right now. any contenders that are gathering much steam. that being said you have to decouple the two. if you talk to the folks in the biden white house they say we

are running a campaign and while the president loves his son, his son is a private citizen and his son should do what he wants to do and he is not above the law. the good news here in the special counsel announcement and you haven't heard people talk about is once the special counsel is over they will issue a report it is likely merick garland will make it available to the american people. if the facts are different than what we heard on capitol hill that we heard house and senate republicans talk about, it creates a big problem for them. for the past -- since 2018 they have been saying there is bribery here and wrongdoing here, and if that doesn't work out after a five-year justice department investigation by a trump-uh pointed attorney that speaks to problems for them. >> have i doubts the special counsel would be done with this report before the election. stranger things have happened and do every day right now in washington. in the meantime, we are watching georgia to see whether president trump will face an indictment there. the "new york times" reporting that if mr. trump were to be convicted in a federal

prosecution he could theoretically pour done himself if -- pardon himself if he was elected president, but they don't hold weight in state matters. georgia law pardon makes it after the sentence. getting a sentence committed say it is more fraud they say. >> it is politically a resource management problem for the president. politically it helped president trump in the primary, but he had to spend tens of millions of campaign dollars fighting indictments federally and the state level. at the state level it is a problem he can't pardon himself if he was convicted. when a grand jury returns it is 12 out of 28 people doing it. it is not beyond a reasonable doubt. the district attorney in georgia is very confident that she has the work done, that she will get two indictments that she thinks she can go and prove. it is to be seen. we have had a lot of these

things come out against president trump in the past federally and at the state level and they have fallen apart. >> from a grand jury to a real jury where you have opposing arguments and evidence. there is an opposition there. innocent unless proof -- proven otherwise. senator joe manchen is making news because he was asked if he would consider leaving the party and becoming independent and here is what he said. >> i would think seriously about that and i have been thinking about that for some time. i haven't made any decisions whatsoever on any of my political directions. >> i heard a lot of anst -- angst from republicans who do not want him to turn independent. >> i don't think there will be a thaeurd -- third-party member. he has a tough election coming up, the idea of his posturing in this moment speaks to the fact that west virginia is a red state. i have to win in my state. he is going to posture and say i

don't like the president. he is going to say the president is terrible. that will hopefull a third-party campaign and no labels have said they wanted to be a spoiler. >> final word. >> if he does run, that's bad news for president biden. there is low enthusiasm for the president and i think it takes out from his vote. >> we have to leave it there, panel. see you next week. and a reminder, we are a little more than a week away from the first 24 primary debate in milwaukee. the coverage begins august 23rd, 9 p.m. eastern on fox newschannel. coming up, the most awarded gospel artist of all time sits down to talk about her faith and her powerful music and why she is so passionate about the next generation. megawatts of power, rails and open road, and essential services of every kind.

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she is the best-selling and most awarded female gospel artist of all time. we caught up with her when she stopped here in washington to perform this summer with the national symphony orchestra. it is this week's sunday special.

♪ i bring you news to encourage you ♪ ♪ he's never failed me yet ♪ >> taking center stage at the kennedy center on her believe for it tour performing some of the biggest hits of her career. >> you performed so many places, what did each night feel like to take that stage and do something special? >> i wanted to offer hope. no matter where you are and what you are going through and no matter where you are in life, you are praying for something. you are believing for something and you need hope. >> weiman kick-started her career in the 80s singing along her brother. by the mid-90s cece went solo reaching the top 10 in the pop charts with her dear friend whitney houston. >> ♪ when i was a child, i didn't

challenge things ♪ >> beyond her music cece has found ways to share her mess -- message. >> mom, let me start out by saying thank you. >> like round tables with the other weiman women. >> you do so many things too. you are a writer and you speak. what do you enjoy most? >> that's a hard question. >> it is not just how i express it, but what i express to be able to be a mouth piece and an ambassador for the heavenly father. >> and you have also written a book to the next generation too about carrying on faith. >> yes. >> and what that means to a new generation. >> we live in a world that is in need of hope, and so we have to instill it in our children. i'm here today because of the generation before me and because of my mom and grandma and not just my family members, but other people, part of the community who cared enough to lay down their lives so i could learn, so that they could pour

into me. shannon, i don't know when it happened, but i became part of the older generation. >> i know. i woke up one day and thought, we're now the mentors and se bet through a lot of hardship. when we look in the scriptures, look at what the disciples and the apostles went through so we could have the faith. i can at least go through a little no, a little rejection. >> yes. >> you know? >> to be as successful as you are, we know you will hear those. it is hard for people to look at you and i is a all of these grammys and these awards and she is successful. it is good for people to know that there were no. >> pain is a part of life. disappointment is a part of life. and nobody wants to say this, but it is through the roughest times that god really shows up. ♪

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