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>> president biden has just got off the phone with israel's benjamin netanyahu. he says he wants to see changes. we will look at what that could mean. also on the program, nato is 75 years old. not much time to look back, though. a man who went on the run after murder almost 20 years ago is finally found guilty. and in the world of artificial intelligence, billie eilish, the paik -- patriarch spira of itself, we will explain in a i decoded. we will start with that phone call between u.s. president joe biden and israel's prime minister benjamin. just ithe last 90 minutes or so, they hung up to each other. we have some sense of what they talked about, a readout give

some details of that conversation and the tone of the u.s. towards israel has raised a few eyebrows. he made clear, this is joe biden, the readout goes, israel needs to announce a series of specific, concrete, measurable steps to address civilian harm, humanitarian suffering, and the safe of aid workers. so we have heard from president biden -- we haven't heard from president mine himself but we have heard from secretary of state antony blinken. >> despite important steps israel has taken to allow access into gaza, the results on the ground are woefully insufficient and unacceptable. 100% of the population of gaza knows cute levels of food insecurity. 100% of the population is in need of humanitarian assistance. and those working heroically to provide that assistance are doing so at great peril to their

own lives. >> the line coming from the u.s. is that if israel doesn't change, then the u.s. policy toward israel will change. we heard just in the last hour from john kirby, white house spokesperson. let's take a listen. >> what we want to see are some real changes on the israeli side, and if we don't see changes from their side, there will have to be changes from our side. but i won't preview what that could look like. >> he did koan -- gone to provide some concrete examples, things like increasing the flow of aid into israel and perhaps reducing the violence on civilians. what this phone call means and what the consequences are, we will be digging into a little later in the program. now, the u. calls on the government here in the u.k. to end weapons sales to israel.

600 legal exports, -- experts and three former supreme court justices wrote a letter that says the provision of military assistance to israel may render the u.k. complicit in genocide as well as serious breaches of international humanitarian aid. thank you for coming on the program. why did you sign that letter? >> for many of us sitting there day after day, seeing the appalling events unfold in gaza and israel, we are all desperately keen to try and do whatever we can to help try and put an end to this terrible, terrible occupation by israel of gaza and all the events at of taken place. so when the opportunity arose for me to put my own name and the firm's name to a letter supporting the idea that there are things the british

government can do, pressure we can apply, that i was keen to do it. so i was very pleased. >> talk us the legal grounds here, what is wrong with the u.k. selling arms to israel? >> in the circumstances we've seen taking place over these last few months, it is quite appalling, the idea that we are part of the problem. we should be looking to try and resolve it, not be part of the problem by providing israelis with the arms they can use against palestinians. so many dignitaries within the gal world, it was right to add our name. >> is it that your potentially implicit in genocide if you are a government that sells arms to, in this case, israel that is fighting a war, when israel is saying they have a right to defend themselves, they were attacked first on october 7 by hamas, and they are going after

hamas. >> certainly for me anyway, when the initial response of the israelis was to attack in terms of what happened, i supported that. but as the days went on and the killings increased in such intensity of children, of women, more recently of the aid workers, there comes a point where that excuse are that reason is simply no longer tenable. for me personally, and for some any people in this country, we feel that the british government should do absolutely everything it can to bring an end to this, and if that means stopping the arms sales, stopping trade with israel, then so be it, these are things we should be doing. >> do you think the u.k. government will stop? >> we have seen some positive signs from the british government. or cameron has done some good things in response to what happened to the aid workers, terrible things.

so i'm optimistic, seeing the scale of the legal profession and the poinsettia been made in this important letter. i'm optimistic that the british government will listen. >> thank you very much for coming on the program. we appreciate your time and your thoughts. we will be returning to that phone call between president biden and israel's benjamin netanyahu latein the program. next, nato foreign ministers have been meeting in brussels and discussing what is next in ukraine. and looking back at decades of with pictures from the ceremony earlier. nato is 75 years old. is a group of countries that together form a defensive military alliance, and a military band was playing the nato hymn. let's take a liste ♪ >> there you go, you saw the

secretary-general who called 80 the world's most powerful successful military alliance. now it is being tested, he said. nato is not party to the conflict in ukraine but it was providing pport. he talked about what form that support would and would not be. >> we don't have any plans of having any nato combat troops inside ukraine. there were no requests for that, but ukraine is asking for equipment, for ammunition, for weapons, and we are providing that to ukraine. that does not make us party to the conflict but we support ukraine. >> note nato boots on the ground there, but pressure still on to provide support for ukraine, particularly from the united states, where a60 billion aid

package for ukraine remains stalled in congress. or cameron is due to visit the u.s. next week. he spoke on a podcast saying that note nato boots would be on the ground. here's his message for washington. >> written has done its bit and we need that u.s. supplemental, which could be one of the things innate narrative arc, it was looking like great ukrainian success. one of the things that could change the narrative is that american money coming through. to make putin say i cannot out wait these guys, the prospect of further ukrainian success, a just peace. >> let's pick up on some of those thoughts.

we will speak to the former u.s. ambassador to nato, thank you very much for coming on the program. >> thanks so much for having me. >> let's start with those thoughts from or cameron about putting a bit of pressure on the u.s., saying get this aid sorted and done. what do you make of it? >> i particularly liked the turn of phrase that he used, that we need a just peace, not an unjust peace. if we draw a line on the ground in ukraine today, that would be rewarding vladimir putin's aggression. all of the war crimes, all of the genocide, and that would very much be an unjust peace. so we need to put ukraine in a position of achieving a just peace. i like that formulation. speaker of the house mike johnson is saying he wants to bring this legislation to the floor next week. it is complicated for political reasons in the u.s. that have very little to do with ukraine. it's all about the southern

border, all about our up-and-coming election. very little about ukraine itself. i am optimistic that we will get the egg through and i think it will be a shot in the arm for ukraine once it is done. >> do you think it is too late? if you look at the situation on the ground right now, set aside lost opportunity of not having increased number of artillery, ammunition or whatever it is. but some of the advances on the russian side we've seen that will now effectively have to be undone when this aid does arise. do you accept that there has been damage done by this delay already? >> yes, there has been damage done by the delay. it should've been done months ago. but it is never too late. even passing this now and getting the aid on the ground in a couple of weeks is far better than not doing it at all or doing it two or three months from now. so as soon as possible is when this should be pass. there is no doubt crane will

survive and prosper as a sovereign, independent european democracy. the only question is how much pain he goes through as we in the west work out our funding mechanisms, our defense industrial production, our ammunition production. we are slow at this. the sooner we can get usa directly to ukraine, the better. >> if we go with your optimism that it is done on whatever timescale, let's aid is done before the election, then we head into that election. what are your thoughts on what difference it makes, if any, who wins that u.s. presidential election? >> firstly, i think we are talking about a matter of weeks, not months. i hope that as we approach the u.s. election in november, that this issue of aid to ukraine is no longer on the table. as far as what it means for the outcome of the u.s. presidential election, we simply don't know. we do know the biden administration.

they will continue to provide support to ukraine, but they will do it very cautiously and very much hedgg against any kind of escalation. so the support we've seen until now is good, but it could be better. on the trump side of the equation, if he were to win, we honestly d't know what he would do. all he has said is that he would in the war in a day, but he has never explained how or what that would mean. if you extrapolate from that idea, the only reason there is a war is because vladimir putin leaves he can make gains and that he will be successful by aggression to ukraine. so in my mind at least, if you want to end the war, the way to do that is to convince vladimir putin that he has nothing to gain. he will never win, he will never succeed in ukraine, and therefore he may as well stop. i think getting that message across requires exactly the kind of support from the u.s. that we are talking about.

arms, budgetary support, loans for ukraine, everything we can to show that we have former capacity and vladimir putin and he will never win this war. >> always good to get your thoughts, thank you very much for coming on the program. around the world and across the u.k., this is bbc news. ♪

>> welcome back, your live with bbc news. we would go back to our main story this hour, that phone call between u.s. president joe biden and israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. i promise we would pick through what is significant about i our correspondent out there in washington is standing by for us. we had the readout, the two paragraphs are so, getting a sense of what was talked about. what stood out for you? >> it is tougher language than

we have had so far from the white house when it comes to u.s.-israel relationship. crucially it contains a warning, what it says is in the call between president bynum and mr. netanyahu that the president effectively made a series of demands of israel over protecting civilians and alleviating the desperate humanitarian situation. things like allowing aid trucks into gaza crossings in the fence from israel into the northern strip. things like bringing down the catastrophically high numbers of civilians who have been killed in gaza. i think we are seeing a ramping up of the pressure that the americans e prepared to put, and there was a key line in that statement, which is in effect a warning. and it says that the u.s. policy with respect to gaza will be determined by our assessment of israel's immediate action on

these steps. so what the president is saying to the israeli prime minister is if you don't act within hours or days to change the situation on the ground in gaza, we will rethink u.s. policy towards israel when it comes to the situation in gaza. that then opens a question, are they talking about this key issue of u.s. weapons going to israel? that has been up until now off-limits when it comes to the white house approach to trying to leverage israel to change its combat in israel. john kirby, the spokesman at the white house, was asked this question repeatedly by journalists over the last hour, are they talking about conditioning arms, pulling some supply of weapons, and he just kept repeating the line that -- i think we can conclude that the

area is in scope and that creates a pretty dramatic shift in terms of u.s. policy that we've had when it comes to that critical u.s.-israel relationship. >> absolutely fascinating to hear you pick out what is significant there. can you ge us an idea, kind of behind the scenes. the strengthening and language and potential policy change you were talking about there, this readout, because it is pretty strong that you have been quoting from there. is there a deal between two countries when they have a phone call like this, a readout is produced, that the other side knows, will israel have known that it would be the strong? clearly they will know internally from the phone call itself, but is there agreement that this will be public, or just an understanding that it will? how does that factor into what you assume now will be israel's reaction? >> the readouts, the statements

-- they call it readouts because usually they are read out by a spokesman. they are not agreed at all. this will have been the words of the white house, the take they want people to have on what the call said. we are still waiting for the israeli side of the call. it is friday night at 10:00 at 10:00 at night currently in israel so we won't have that because it is the sabbath tomorrow. benjamin netanyahu and his team will obviously put their own take on this. one of the things ias saying and analysis earlier is that both of these men are in a position where they will want to be as strident as possible for domestic reasons about what they said on this call. mr. biden because he is under huge pressure because of all the reasons i've talked about, everyone can see the conditions on the ground in gaza. he has been under huge pressure to start conditioning weapon

supply to israel to try to get them to change behavior. we are months away from the u.s. presidential election so that creates very acute pressure on the u.s. president. he needs to look and sound tough, and that's what they are saying in this readout. benjamin netanyahu has to mystic problems, israeli protesters are back out on the streets. that issue has merged into pressure to get a hostage deal to get the hostages released. we have seen that reflected in the statement. so he is under huge pressure. the way he reacts when he is under pressure when it comes to the americans is to try to show -- appeal to his nationalist base that he is capable of assisting american pressure. he plays on that. i expect that his version of what was said in the call will very much be around, i tell the americans this or that. it will be a very different take on the call then -- and you

would expect that. >> absolutely fascinating to get that bkground. your previous beat was jerusalem so you're the perfect person to speak to on that type of call. the mastermind of an armed robbery has been found guilty of the murder of a police officer who was shot dead almost 20 years ago. she attended a raid at eight travel agent in 2005. he flew to pakistan two months after the murder and remained at large until he was arrested by authorities in 2020 and brought back to the u.k. >> killed in the line of duty, pc sharon beshenivsky. she was murdered on her daughter's fourth birthday.

this was the scene in 2005. an attack alarm had been activated at a travel agency in bradford. her patrol car pulled up opposite. she and her colleague crossed the road to investigate. john watched it happen from his nearby business. >> as sharon was approaching the door, the guys inside burst out and shot her down her best. >> this memorial now stands on the spot where she died. although only three men were involved in the actual rate here, there were seven members of the gang together, six of them were subsequently called -- caught, but the seventh has only today been convicted. he fled the country soon after the shooting and it took a long time to get him back. >> he went to pakistan, in 2020 he was arrested, but last year

was sent back to the u.k. he planned the rate and was a lookout on the day. but he did murder a west yorkshire police officer. >> the pc lost her life in the most horrific of circumstances, in the line of duty. she will aays be remembered. i would like to acknowledge the respect and dignity that sharon's family have shown over the past 18 years. and i do hope that today's conviction goes some way in enabling them to move on with their lives. >> after her murder, sharon' husband paul visited the scene. he has had to live with those events since. >> she enjoyed life to the full.

>> he has been in court for some of the last trial. for the detective who led the original hunt for her killers, there is one thing which still needs to be done. >> it would be nice for both officers to be formally recognized for their bravery and the knowledge that something serious was taking place there. >> west yorkshire police never gave up on hunting down all of those sponsor for their colleagues murder. >> he was just 16 when he -- in the blitz in world war ii. on his 100th birthday, ronald regnal br --ignall a heroic act performed 100 years ago. cardiff was not alone, praise

and thanks were given to all those involved in the effort. but today's birthday boy played a vital role in saving this particular building in the welsh capital. it was in 1941 was walking home from college when he spotted an incendiary bomb land on the roof of city hall. he then took it upon himself to climb up the drainpipes of this building twice to help extinguish the flames. firstly with a hose pipe between his hand in his mouth, secondly with a sandbag. the local paper described a local lad who was daunted by nothing, acted with daring and courage. his mily were present as he received a special certificate today for his efforts from the lord mayor of cardiff. a celebration for a centurion for a courageous act performed in the most testing of times. >> happy birthday to him.

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