♪ ♪ ♪ good morning. i'm jane pauley and this is "sunday morning." more than 15 million americans hold hunting licenses. the practice goes back to the very roots of our country. and as part of a lifestyle often passed down from generation to generation. some hunt for sport, but a

common theme among many is eat it's considered the honorable, even the ethical thing to do. and by one estimate, 95% of all hunters do just that. lee cowan hits the trail with one of the biggest names in the sport, a hunter with the skill of a top chef. >> that's dinner tonight? >> yeah, elk meet. >> reporter: the creator of the popular reality show "meateater," steve rinella is a professional hunter. but in that same capacity he is also a passionate conservationist. >> i have never encountered a person who holds wild game in high regard, who doesn't hold wildlife in high regard. >> reporter: a man living off the land but also for the land. later on "sunday morning." tracy smith sits down with ben affleck and matt damon, two

old friends together again in a new film that is sure to reach new heights. >> tomorrow i am going to wake up and not be 50. i will still be to go. >> reporter: one of hollywood's most dynamic duos. >> a rookie who has never set foot on an nba court. >> that's the definition of rookie, yeah. >> reporter: now ben affleck and matt damon have a new film about nike sneakers and a new perspective. >> there is nothing more that i want in my life. i thought, well, this is it. i thought, that might mean i am about to die. >> reporter: matt and ben comfortable, well, like an old shoe coming up on "sunday morning." anthony mason is on broadway with josh groban for what you might call a razor-sharp revival. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: a new demon barber of fleet street has set up shop on broadway. do you have a razorback there? >> you are a risk taker,

anthony. i never leave home without one. >> reporter: josh groban and stephen sondheim's "sweeney todd" ahead on "sunday morning." and more. conor knighton takes us to snowy wisconsin and the biggest cross-country skiing race in the country. rita braver profiles npr's ari shapiro, a journalist with some serious singing chops. martha teichner has the story of one of our oldest black towns struggling to survive. with seth doane we will head to amsterdam for a blockbuster exhibit featuring the art of johannes vermeer. we'll have commentaries on the power of the unspoken word. and the power of jim gaffigan to, well, lull you to sleep. all of that and more this sunday morning, the 19th of march, 2023. we'll be back after this.

he is a lifelong hunter,

wildlife conservationist and a serious chef. lee cowan goes on the hunt with the "meateater." >> i got him. he is in the trees. >> reporter: here in the sawtooth mountains of idaho it took just moments for steve rinella and his bowhunting buddy dan to spot some pronghorned antelope off in the brush. >> it's in the shade. >> reporter: it took them far less time, however, to realize that having me tag along was a really dumb idea. >> what kind of shot is that like for a bow? >> undoable. >> reporter: i have never hunted a day in my life, and there i was with one of the most recognizable hunters in america. >> i do what i was born to do. and it's this kind of stuff. it's what i like. >> reporter: steve rinella is the creator and host of the popular tv and web series "meateater." >> you got him? >> reporter: now in its 11th season. it's hunting the way the hunter

sees it, up close and personal, and for rinella hunting is personal. >> at my core, i like nature, i like hunting, i like fishing, i like eating the stuff i hunt and fish for, and i turned that into the work i do. >> reporter: he came to hunting the way most people do. his father hunted. back then he saw it largely just as a sport. >> when i was 18 i was obsessed with punt hadding and fishing. i did not know nor use the word conservation. in my mind, all the resources we enjoyed, they fell from the sky. they were there for the taking. >> reporter: they would always fall from the sky? >> get yours while the getting is good. >> reporter: today conservation is at the heart of almost everything that "meateater" does. >> so beautiful, i could cry. >> reporter: the quality of the hunting is only as good as the health of the population being hunted, be it deer, fish, or anything else.

his point is that loving the wild while still taking a wild animal's life are not mutually exclusive. >> i have never encountered in my life a person who holds wild game in high regard, who doesn't hold wildlife in high regard. and i understand that there is a limit on how much we can pull from it where you end up dismantling and destroying the whole thing. >> reporter: whether you agree with that or not, it's nothing new. charles darwin, ernest hemingway, john james audubon loved nature and hunting. and then there is theodore roosevelt who especially loved the land. >> he saved about 50,000 acres of mountains, plains, woodlands in this country for every day he was in office. why? he was inspired to do that through a relationship with hunting. >> reporter: that same idea respecting the resource is what he is trying to teach his own

children, and in part he is doing that through food. >> so that's dinner tonight? >> yeah, that's a piece of elk meat. >> reporter: at his home in bozeman, montana, his refrigerator is stocked with the frozen spoils of his adventures in the wild. >> elk meat. duck. wild turkey. >> reporter: everything in here, he says, has a story that brings with it a discussion. >> every night that we eat, we eat some thing that we grew, that we hunted, that we found out in the woods, that we found in our backyard every night. and there is not a night goes by, i am not kidding, that we don't talk about it. >> reporter: his cooking attracted non-hunting viewers, as well. >> those are good. >> reporter: rinella has become the julia child of the camp fire. last third of every "meateater" episode is cooking the day's catch or kill in ways that make

the woods look like a three star michelin restaurant. >> i'm slicing up my loin and a stag and pumpkin stew. >> i read this story dozens of times. like shock, like wow! this chef, this famous chef, name your famous chef, has become interested in hunting. and of course he is. the guy is, he is interested in food. >> reporter: he is not trying to convince animal rights advocates, for example, to suddenly become hunters themselves. >> first turkey. >> thanks, steve. >> reporter: what he hopes anyone who is interested in the show will come away with is the notion that hunters aren't always the enemies of animal welfare. >> i'm talking to my kind, but then i'm talking to other like out outdoorsmen and women. i'm also talk to people who are kicking the tires on this world, who are curious about it. they weren't curious, they wouldn't be watching.

>> reporter: "meateater" has grown into a lifestyle brand, clothes and products for hunting. he wrote a number of books, including cookbooks and has a top rated podcast as well. >> a black bear, she is going to spend two years tutoring her offspring h his brand is based on a singular philosophy, that none of us live on the land. we live with it. >> you get to a point where you have to give up and go home. the land beat you. or the sheep beat you. just by running out the clock. >> reporter: back in idaho, suffice it to say that that pronghorn didn't care much for my nagging questions. >> it's tuned in like i was sitting here, yakking away. >> reporter: for steve rinella, that's okay. what he likes most of all is showing his world to those experiencing it anew. and watching it through the eyes of people who have never seen it quite the way he does. >> looking right at us. >> reporter: at least not yet. >> isn't that cool?

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serenity of his interior scenes. as a man, however, dutch painter johannes vermeer is very much still a mystery. his body of work just about three dozen paintings hold some of the only clues to this once virtually forgotten 17th century artist. today even one of his masterpieces can be a museum centerpiece which makes this exhibition extraordinary. have there ever been this many vermeers together at any point? >> no, his own paintings together. >> reporter: 28 of vermeer's paintings have been assembled at the rijksmuseum in amsterdam. the cocurator of what he calls a once in a life show. this exhibition was your idea? >> i dreamed of this exhibition.

this dream came true. yeah, it's exciting. >> reporter: you heard that the rip cur they were going to be closed, let's start putting something together? >> yeah, if get that, you can continue collecting the other ones. >> reporter: the rijksmuseum already had for. others are on loan from new york, washington, paris, and this one from the hague. he likens girl with a pearl earring to the "mona lisa" for her captivating gaze. she inspired a book which became a movie. >> a masterpiece from the hand of my son-in-law, johannes vermeer. >> reporter: but her celebrity came late. >> the painting was forgotten and it turned up in the end of the 19th century and then living in the hague bought the painting for more than two -- this is nothing. >> reporter: that would be about $40 today. how vermeer was nearly lost to

history is a story which traces back to his hometown of delft in the netherlands, depicted in one of his most famous paintings. >> he would have stood probably with a sketch book in preparation of his painting. >> reporter: art historian david de haan notes during vermeer's lifetime neither the artist nor his art ever really left delft. his main patron was here. >> that didn't do too much to his fame, he had a small body of work and most of the paintings in delft and then they moved into different private collections. >> reporter: vermeer painted slowly, just about two pieces a year. this one is called "the little street". >> this woman sweeping would have been down this little alley? >> exactly. >> reporter: define this location, a researcher used tax records, marriage and death records on display at the prinsenhof museum with de haan is curator. >> we have to piece together a

little bit of insight into how his life was. it's a bit of a puzzle. >> reporter: there are no known self-portraits, though some suggest this could be the enigmatic painter who fathered 15 children and died in 1675 at just 43. his widow wrote that vermeer was unable to sell any of his art, lapsed into such decay and deckans as if he fell into a frenzy, suddenly dialed. she traded vermeer's art to pay for bread. the local baker had these. what would wind up being priceless art works? >> yeah, it's sort of weird that you imagine now having a baker owning three paintings by vermeer but that was the case. >> reporter: view of delft may have saved vermeer from obscurity. two centuries after his death a french art critic came across the painting, describing it as superb and most unusual. he became obsessed with the then-obscure artist and helped

establish vermeer as a master of the dutch golden age. how was it to work on something like this? >> it's amazing. >> reporter: ige verslype is using new technologies to analyze vermeer's paintings. >> vermeer is doing some things we don't see with other 17th century painters. so the very unusual build-up of paint layers, unusual use of certain pigments. so he is really experimenting in his paintings and that really amazes me. >> reporter: with such precious few works and never so many in one place, the show sold out in two days. the exhibit only runs until june. no surprise, the other museums want their vermeers back. where does vermeer sit in the p pan think on of great painters? >> depends on your artistic feeling. for me, at the top.

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♪ bir can't wait for winter ♪ ♪ praying for snow ♪ ♪ birke fever i am a true believer ♪ ♪ get me to starlight, i'll be ready to go ♪ >> we're underway! >> reporter: each winter thousands os of cross-country skiers from across the world travel to the northwoods of wisconsin to travel more than 30 miles between cable and hayward. the american birkebeiner is the largest cross-country ski race in the country and the enthusiasm here is contagious. >> we got the birke fever and it's just the excitement that builds about not only the race, but the whole event of birke week. >> reporter: the official birkebeiner race, birke for short, flies by in a couple of hours for elite skiers. leading up to the main event there are days of activities. there is shorter races for

children, there is a barkie where dog lovers ski with their pets, teams of six compete in giant ski races. >> it's like comic-con for theaters is how i look at it. >> reporter: jackie and dan deroma avid skiers. for this year's race they wanted to do things a little differently. these racer are going to be in spandex, gore-tex. what are you going to be wearing? >> full-on fur. [ laughter ] >> reporter: jackie, dan and dan's father jim were selected to be mascots of sorts, skiing the entire course on wooden skis, dressed adds norweigian folk heroes while carrying a baby doll. it's a tradition with roots in a far older history. >> reporter: as portrayed in the film "the last king," in the ealy 13th century norway was in the mid of a civil war.

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the musical "sweeney todd" is back on broadway with josh groban in the title role. for anthony mason, their meeting was a chance to sit back, if not relax. >> reporter: you actually took barber lessons? >> i did. i want the the shaving community to be impressed. >> reporter: he is the new demon barber of fleet street. ♪

>> reporter: do you h a razorback there? >> you are a risk taker, anthony. i never leave home without one. >> reporter: and josh groban just learned how to give a close shave. >> we would start with the neck maybe and then we would turn and we would do your cheek this way. >> reporter: is there an art to the decisive stroke? >> you know, i'm just winging it. this is where the improvisation of theater comes in. i have never given anyone an actual sharp razor shave. we have enjoyed you on television for a long, long time. thank you for spending your final day with us, captured in high-def ♪ speak to me friend ♪ >> reporter: in "sweeney to todd" -- ♪ whisper ♪ >> reporter: the broadway revival of stephen sondheim's iconic musical. >> at last my right arm is complete again. >> reporter: most of his customers don't survive.

you're not known for playing evil. >> no, i'm not, which is part of the fun. ♪ did you come in for a pie ♪ ♪ do forgive me ♪ >> reporter: as san joaquin, groban has a co-conspirator, annaleigh ashford plays mrs. lovett. >> on the top she is just a bubbling, bubbling little pot of magic. underneath it's a stew that is extremely complicated. ♪ i got some shepherd's pie with actual shepherd on top ♪ >> reporter: mrs. lovett sweetly disposes of san joaquin's victims in her meat pies.weeneyn her meat pies. ♪ >> when you are playing iago, you don't know you are the bad guy. that's always the way that i have viewed mrs. lovett. she doesn't sthi she is bad. she is surviving. mrs. lovett at her core is a

survivor and she needsen todd because is an man's world ♪ sweeney todd ♪ >> reporter: the original 1979 production, which starred angela lansbury as mrs. lovett and allen cariou as sweeney won eight tonys. the unlikely inspiration for the musical was a dark victorian melodrama, but sondheim thought it could sing. >> the elevator pitch something like this. you know, in 1977, you know, would have been like, well have fun with that, steve. enjoy. good luck. i will never forget when tommy kail told me you should come to this workshop about alexander hamilton, a hip hop musical. is it a comedy? and i am like, good luck with that, you know he. can't wait to see it. sure it will be great.

>> reporter: is there a lot of expectation with the show? >> you tell me. >> reporter: thomas kail, the tony winning director of "hamilton," is now directing "sweeney todd." you directed the best known show on broadway right over there. how does this compare to that? >> this was a huge source of inspiration. this was a show about a misunderstood person and the world was trying to figure out why he did what he did. the show on the other side of 46th street doesn't happen unless there is sweeney todd. ♪ >> reporter: the comic relief in sweeney comes with a cockney accent. >> it's not easy? >> no. it's like speaking another language. ♪ >> reporter: ashford got tips from the show's british choreographer. >> every once in a while he is like it's budge, not budge. you know? i am like sitting backstage

going budge, budge, b budge. my little boy is like, will you please stop doing your british accent? i am not correcting him because it's too delightful. ♪ ♪ >> i have a 6 1/2-year-old boy. the last time i was on stage, he was 6 months old. i was nursing, i had run off after intermission in act one, pump. it was all about milk. >> reporter: the last time groban was doing eight shows a week, the singer was making his broadway debut nearly seven years ago in "natasha, pierre & the great comet of 1812." >> how much did you like that experience? >> it's the happiest i have-been in my career. >> reporter: really? >> i was a theater kid that hit a fork in the road when i found my way into the music biz. that was not something that i

had dreams of in my bedroom when i was 10 years old. it was this. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: it was groban's manager who suggested he play sweeney. >> i am thinking to myself, i am not old enough to do that. he is like, dude, you are going to be 40 one. oh, my god, that is old enough. so nice of you. thank you. oh, my gosh. >> reporter: he turned 42 the day we spoke with him. >> thank you. ♪ happy birthday dear josh ♪ ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ >> reporter: you have the voice of an angel. >> no. >> reporter: anyone ever tell you that? >> no. ♪ see how they ♪ >> reporter: the production had the first run-through a year and a half ago. >> and sondheim was going to be there. he was excited. two days before we were to do that run-through, he pass away. >> reporter: did you think this wasn't going to happen? >> well, it was a o coliause fit of course was just

grief.dheihad been a fan of the great comet and they'd become friends. >> he said when we hung out once, i am not going to tell you when i come to the show. thank you, steve. of course, at intermission, you know, the group texts, red alert, red alert! the maestro is in the building. [ applause ] >> reporter: in the end, groban and company went ahead with "sweeney todd" to honor sondheim. and also because the star clearly enjoys giving a close shave. you send them down the slide? >> i let them back. there is a third lever that sends them down. it's fun. ♪ ♪

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in the decades after the civil war an estimated 100 all-black towns were settled across the united states. most are long gone. but martha teichner visits one of the first and last that is still fighting to hold on. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: it's only the telling that makes sense of these old photos of eatonville, florida, and the great teller of eatonville's story was

anthropologist and noted writer, zora neale hurston, who grew up here. >> joe clark's store was the heart and spring of the town. men sat around the store on boxes and benches and passed this world and the next one through their mouths. >> reporter: third generation eatonville residents ny nathiri heads the association to preserve the eatonville community. >> joe clark is which one? >> at the left. joe clark was the mayor and actually the founder of the town of eatonville. >> reporter: in 1887, that it even happened was remarkable. after the end of the civil war, formerly inslaved african americans glocked to central florida to work. white property owners refused to sell them land until joe clark convinced two white northerners with homes in the area, louis lawrence and josiah eaton, to

make available plots they could buy in what became eatonville. one of the first black towns to incorporate. >> there was a lot of resistance from the surrounding communities because if they could incorporate, that meant they could vote, they could have their own law enforcement, they could manage their own business. >> reporter: everett fly is a landscape architect who has spent more than four decades researching black towns. >> by 1915, there were less than 60 incorporated black towns in the entire united states. >> reporter: how many of those 60 are left? >> i think probably 20, 25 is all that's left. more than 90% of it is about racism. it's everything from, oh, it's not important, or they won't know the difference if we move them out or erase them. no one is going to do anything.

ggli. store.dian income here thhenly there is n supearket, no gas station, no phcy so many of the black towns have disappeared. what is different about eatonville? >> we have the ability to do here is to leverage the genius of zora neale hurston and the authenticity of eatonville as achural and historical space kichlt zora tourism exists already. the zora festival before covid regularly attracted over 50,000 people. fewer now. but eatonville would like to leverage somethng else. this land, 100 acres, ten minutes from downtown orlando, half an hour from disney world,

valued at more than $20 million in 2019. certainly worth much more now. >> as a small community of 2,500, it's sitting on the largest undeveloped parcel of land in orange county. it's sitting in a very sweet position geographically. >> reporter: her opinion, eatonville's survival depends on who wins the fight over this land. which is as closely tied to its past as it is to its future. the trouble is, the town doesn't own it. and never has. this is an insult. >> this is an insult, no trespassing, keep out. >> reporter: once it was part of a 300-acre campus that occupied about 40% of eatonville. the land was donated by philanthropists to a trust, which operated the robert hungerford normal and industrial school, a private boarding

school established in 1899 to provide vocational education to black students in the segregated south. >> this is when iasnigh was vot >> reporter: by the time veer a king went there, it was a black public school. >> this looks like one of the original boarding schools? >> it is. we had classes in that building. >> reporter: in 1951, the orange county school ngerford from the trust that owned it. for a little over $16,000, the school board got all 300 acres, but with this important restriction. the land still had to be used for the education of black children. >> this is me at hungerford. >> reporter: for 30 years, vera king worked at the high school that was built on the site. now it's gone, too. a long with 200 of those 300

acres. >> if we aren't careful, eatonville is going to be extinct. >> reporter: king, 85 years old, an eatonville native, resents what happened when the orange county public schools started selling off parcel after parcel of the hungerford property, getting the courts and the trustees again and again to cut the number of acres required to be use for educating black kids. so now it's zero. >> they really profited from it, from those sales. >> reporter: the orange county school system was paid nearly $8 million in those deals. you have hashtag a land back on your sleeve? >> yes. nobody has made enough noise. nobody has demanded the land back. >> reporter: julian johnson

isn't the only eatonville resident who thinks the orange county public schools ought to just give the land to eatonville as a kind of restitution. >> this is economic justice that we are fighting for. land is economic justice. it's about demanding it back. you have done the people wrong over and over. >> reporter: so with those last 100 acres, set to be sold on march 31st to a developer for $14 million, well below their last appraised value, johnson helped to mobilize for a showdown. >> the streets are talking. the people are talking. people are angry and furious. >> reporter: the only control eatonville has over what gets built is through its zoning and planning. last month the town council met to vote on changes that would clear the way for this. a new community of more than 350 homes and apartments. >> once the project is built out, it will offer shopping,

dining, entertainment options for residents and visitors to partake and enjoy. >> reporter: the packed room didn't see it that way. >> quite simply, this development will erase this living, thriving historical community. >> for y'all to put this stuff up here and think we as black people are going to be able to stay here, shame on yourself. >> we will be outnumber and i want you guys to vote no. >> reporter: they did. but the developer can still buy the site and build so long as it's something consistent with eatonville's vision for the town's survival. in a statement to "sunday morning," the orange county public school system reaffirmed its commitment to go ahead with the sale. no word yet from the developer. for eatonville residents, a lawsuit may be next. a last stand in a losing war?

not if they can help it. >> this is sacred land. it's special for us. it's who we are. and we are not g t them take it away from us. no.

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and to hear them describe it they have never had a better time. do you guys have an unspoken language? >> yeah, 40 something years of hanging out together. >> a common frame of reference. i find the most wonderful thing i love coming to work everyda love seeing matt. first of all, he is a genius. having him at the anchor of your movie makes it -- >> 40 something years -- >> i didn't used to think this. but it just makes it so easy. it was just so much fun. i don't know. it felt like just us and getting to do the thing we wanted to do. i loved it. i miss it every day since. it was the best, like, work experience of my life without question. >> reporter: and that experience is "air." the movie in theaters only on april 5th is about nike and how back in 1984 they built an entire shoe brand around one nba rookie player they thought would become a household name. >> i need the greatest basketball shoe that's ever been made. >> who is the player?

>> michael jordan. >>. >> reporter: michael jordan. >> i'm willing to bet my career on mooing. >> michael jordan. >> come on. >> reporter: anthropologist and noted writer, zora neale hurston, wou-- affleck plays ni founder phil knight and damon o >> iu look atordan did, you will seectly wha i which is what? >> the most competitive guy i have ever seen. he is a killer. >> reporter: we know it turned out to be a killer deal for everyone involved. the jordan brand is still flying off the shelves with sales of more than $5 billion last year alone. the movie is not a biopic. but affleck made sure everyone looked as close to real as possible, especially damon. >> did you notice that he lost the weight? >> yeah. let's talk about that. the transformation. >> he put me in a fat suit. when i get to work with him, i actually my wife saw the movie

and i said, what did you think? she goes the movie is great. you look like -- >> reporter: and according to affleck, michael jordan himself had a few suggestions. >> what did he tell you was important? >> a number of things. i am not sure i am at liberty to share every single one. he saidg to bey >> which choing michl jordan for your tea inny vaccaro. i am witke. u's or unannounced an answer. >> reporter: viola davis was cast as michael's mom deloris jordan and chris tuckers plays and wrote the part of someone he knows personally. nike vp howard white. >> how much do you believe? i believe in you. >> i called chris tucker, who i always thought was a genius. he is like i know howard white? you know howard white? turns out chris tucker knows everybody, literally everybody.

>> reporter: one person we see very little of is an actor who plays jordan. why do we not see michael jordan in this movie? >> we don't see michael jordan or the very what was obvious reason to me which is that this is a movie about an icon, somebody so meaningful that the minute, you know, i show you somebody and tell you, like, hey, that's michael jordan, you go, no to isn't. i know what michael jordan is. i know what he is. not only that. the only actor who could play michael jordan was old to play this poart and we probably couldn't afford him. now everything else is fake. >> reporter: the final result feels real and, as always, it was a team effort. ben affleck and matt damon met as kids in cambridge, massachusetts, and clicked from the start. chasing the same hollywood dream. you might not have caught them in 1989's "field of dreams" as extras in the crowd in boston's fenway park.

>> how do you like it? >> reporter: you might have seen them in this. >> you owe it to me. tomorrow i am going to wake up and not be 50 and i'll still be doing this. >> reporter: for g"good will hunting" both won the oscar for original screenplay and it launched them, ready or not, into the hollywood stratosphere. what ask to do to you guys? >> is didn't settle in for a couple years i think. completely surreal. >> i was 25 years old. i look at myself now and think i have quite a bit to learn. that's the curse of being 25. you think you have it all figured out. >> reporter: of course, they have figured it out. individually they earned box office respect -- >> teach somebody to be a director it in day? >> reporter: to more oscar gold.

>> stood out here in front of all i was really a kid. i went out and i never thought i would be back here. >> one of the lessons of growing older it's not all about money, it's not the most important thing. you spend your life chasing money, you might end one a lot of money but probably miss out on a lot of things. i haven't found money changed any happiness that i had. that's the beautiful thing about this. the happiness is being here in los angeles with my children, see them every day, visit the set, work with my best friend. there is nothing more i want in my life. this is it. this is what i always wanted. then i thought that might mean i am about to die. >> i literally had the same thought. i was like, we have actually reached the mountaintop. >> reporter: and now together they formed a new production company called artists equity that gives people on the film crew a bigger slice of the financial pie. >> that's why it's called artists equity. we are pulling a bunch of people

above the line and they stand to do a lot better financially than they have ever done on movies before. >> i believe he is the future and his story is going to make us fly. but the shoe is just a shoe. >> you got a name for it? air jordan. >> reporter: "air" is the company's first offering with more to come soon. >> seriously? maybe it will grow on me. >> we are just getting rolling. we are working with amazon do the story of a wrestler named anthony robles born with one leg and won a national championship. >> reporter: who is starring in that movie? >> i know wihere you are going with this. i will tell you the lead actor. >> reporter: is there another actor in that movie? >> we always hire the best performers and in this case i can say every single person that has been cast so far i think is the very absolute best choice. >> reporter: you are dancing around that jennifer lopez -- >> i believe, yes, i believe jennifer lopez may be doing that movie. >> you make it look like she is doing it as a favor to me.

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evening broadcast -- >> today is wednesday, february 15, and this is "all things consi considered.". >> reporter: 44-year-old ari shapiro is one of the network's highest profile correspondents. what makes a great story for you? >> when i'm looking for a great story, i want a point of connection. i want high stakes and i wantha coverage -- >> i noticed that supplemental snap benefits for the pandemic and after this month -- >> reporter: interviews newsmakers. >> what does this mean for the future of scotland and the independence movement? >> reporter: and he continues to report from the field. >> even though there is still death and fighting in ukraine's south and east, here at the polish border -- >> reporter: yet back when he was a yale undergraduate -- >> the truth is i was rejected for an npr internship and i will remind any npr pbosses any time

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a london-based foreign correspondent. >> npr's ari shapiro joins us now -- >> white house correspondent ari shapiro -- >> our co-host ari shapiro is there. >> reporter: shapiro is married to mike gottlieb, his college sweetheart. but when they first decided to wed, you thought you needed to ask permission from npr? >> yeah. 20 2004 was not that long ago, but in politics, in same-sex marriage, in gay rights, it feels like a lifetime. >> repoter: what changed in terms of being married to another man and say this is my husband? >> i think the country kind of caught up to where we were. i also just became more about, is m that th differentias from one another make us more interesting, more valuable, more rich, and that those are things we should celebrate, not paper

over. >> reporter: which is why shapiro now spends his vacations singing. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: with the portland-based band pink martini. though he performed all through high school and college, shapiro put music behind him. then he did a story on the band. a few years later in 2008 pink martini's leader heard shapiro sing at a party and invited him to record this song for the band's new album. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: and though he sung to huge audiences all over the world u sah, y a out who sings wi is a part of me that cringes a little bit and i want to say to myself, ari,

snap out of it. don't cringe. be proud. >> reporter: really? >> you are singing at the hollywood bowl. you have sung at carnegie hall. >> reporter: but pink martini is not shapiro's only side hustle. ♪ >> reporter: he also performance a cabaret act with tony award winner alan cumming known for his work in theater, film and television. ♪ anything you can say i can say ♪ ♪ i can sing ♪ ♪ no you can't ♪ ♪ yes i can ♪ >> reporter: they had known each for ear other for time. >> i said, don't joke about that because i will absolutely take you up on it. >> the next morning i called and said i, i still mean it. >> reporter: i love you in the morning. >> yes, i still respect you. >> reporter: they call the act och and oy.

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