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where avand meets you, the best memories and flavors are shared. avand , just enjoy it in the name of allah, the merciful, the merciful. hello and i have a good time at your service, dear viewers , we are proud to serve you with another higher program. one of the topics that is generally discussed at the elite level and sometimes among the general public is the issue of educational justice and the establishment of equality in the allocation of the country's educational budgets. well, one of the places that use the baitul-mal budget.

for the education of our youth, universities and educational institutions are actually post-secondary education. today , we are at your service with the issue of whether the budget allocated to the ministry of science should be available to all students and universities. it should only be available to public universities , please stay with us. the iranian coach is the honor of iran. we do not agree that we are higher than anyone or higher than wherever we are today. well, you are with the above

. first of all, i would like to introduce to you the guests who accepted and took the trouble to join today's program , mr. dr. ali baqer taheri nian, the head of the higher education research and planning institute of the ministry of science, whom we serve as an opponent, and mr. mr. dr. hossein nasir. head of the higher education and research department of the islamic council research center who agree with the title, mr. danin, basically the ministry how much funding does science have now and where does this funding come from? are there charities or institutions that help the pursuit of science or not? actually, it is only government funding. very well, in the name of allah, the merciful, the merciful . on behalf of the great and noble community of academics, the fulfillment of this promise, which

is both a proud act and an act of authority, and incidentally , a security-creating act of serving the glorious islamic revolutionary guard corps, the proud army of the islamic republic, the wise and wise leader of the revolution, and all the lovers of the islamic ummah, islamic iran, congratulations. to tell but the budget i will present the ministry of science based on last year . you can see that part of the budget of the ministry of science actually includes spending budgets and property acquisition. it is about 45 and a half hemet. 41. there is a chest, and four and a half of it is related to ownership . the total of this is 45, in fact, it is 45 and a half. this is the place of general budgets. a small part of the universities' resources comes from special revenues. the special revenues of the university come from providing services to the community

. research projects and the like are a much smaller part of the participation of benefactors and acquaintances than in the support department of this university only. covered do you mean the ministry of science or the university of medical sciences , which are under the supervision of the ministry of health , and this was also included in the ministry of health, except for this, in fact , there is a report. look, we divide our universities into two categories based on the credit of our students , the general universities of the country and their students. they are divided into tuition-paying students and non-tuition -paying students. yes, tuition-paying students include islamic azad university, non-governmental, non -profit universities, second-time students, and the like , and non-paying students, who are now mistakenly considered free students. in fact, it should be remembered that this is a share in the ministry of science and in the ministry of health. in short

, if we want to compare these two, in the country of higher education, including the ministries of azad university, 70% of our students study sharia directly. of course, let's remember that the tuition they pay does not cover all of their education expenses . for example, let's assume that the second year students of our public university who pay tuition are not equal to the cost of their education. actually , expenses help, so 70% of tuition our fees in islamic azad university in non-government universities in public universities are easy 70 % of our students, 70% of our students pay tuition fees and 30% are actually non-fee-paying students or daily students or mistakenly free students because we do not have free students. 45 thousand billion toman, you said that 45 and a half thousand billion tomans can only be spent on this 30%. no,

we should actually divide that 30%, which is actually non-profit. this is the percentage of non-urban education. there are about 80,000 students in the ministry of science and 80,000 students of course, we should remember that we should not conclude that 45 and half efforts are not for 800,000 students , not for 800,000 students. students , student welfare issues

are especially and very important to move in the frontier of knowledge, to conduct research to help solve society's problems. specifically, in the nutrition sector , about 16% of this 45,000 is spent on nutrition yes, from these credits of the ministry of science. do the math and see if i want to explain 45 and a half or 41 percent, i would say that 16 percent of it is nutrition credits, welfare is more than nutrition, dormitory discussions, ebb and flow discussions , and the like are the main expenses of the ministry of science, which is close to 90 . don't think that the surplus force happens to be the scientific community that supports these point missiles with the pride of the students of the university. the students

are actually the science and technology of this country. you can see that the majority of the expenditure of the ministry of science is spent on that level of personnel expenses, which is a little more than 90%. the rest is 16% actually, the field is nutrition , we have other expenses that are practically not provided for, thank you very much if mr. they become students, as they say. they don't pay tuition fees and mistakenly think it's free. in your opinion

, let's remember that. i'll tell you why they're not free . the education is near. in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful . greetings and courtesy to your excellency, mr. doctor , dear viewers, and this proud event is also to the service of the leader of the revolution. and congratulations to all the people. well , look, mr. doctor, when we talk about educational credits, it is not just the ministry of science, it means the ministry of health, medicine and education. we have a doctor who spends about 112 of his credits in the field of education and some kind of research for students in farhangian university. mr. tayani said that the total budget, not the statistics of our student population, includes various universities. the credit belongs to the ministry of science, not the credit that mr. doctor said for the year 1402 , only for the ministry. it was science, that is, the year 1403 , if we want to update it, the cost is only 52 thousand billion tomans, and then there is one more cost.

it was not possible to separate the educational and research programs of the ministry of health and the budget was mentioned in a general way there was no calculation of these things, but in general, in the calculations that we had in the past years, 11-12 % of these expenses are spent on student education . i have a tip for you about that issue. 70. see, when we say 70, we mean volume, the volume of the number of students is important. this is so that we can see how much it costs for this department. i will give you a statistic based on the national account statistics published by the statistics organization. look, we spend a total of 72 percent of our gddp on education. out of this 72 percent , about 70 percent the share means that the public sector is provided in some way and about 28 to 30 percent of the sector private, so we have to be careful that we have 70 students with 28 credits , we rotate them in a way, and we have 30% of the students with 70

credits, which in general, in a way , our educational system is being spent, what was that 7%, said mr. dr. the national accounts of the financial turnover of our higher education system in the national accounts is 72 percent, which in the recommended countries is mostly one and a half, which means that you actually have a share of research from jddp. you mentioned a point in the doctor's speech, whether non -profit universities and free islamic universities, which are working hard in this country anyway, are doing good work. do they not have the right? can't they use the resources? no, basically, the constitution doesn't need to be explicit about this. it needs to state that only universities called

public universities with a government framework and pulpits should be allocated to them. no, therefore , in my law, the law of adding some articles to the law regulating part of the financial regulations of the government dated 2004, in its article 34, it is mentioned that the government can give university students from these government grants. academic islamic and payamnoor are also useful , so there is no obstacle, but what is in practice it is happening, but i will give you a statistic. currently, the student welfare fund has the statistics of 1402, about 28 billion tomans of loans to the students of islamic azad university, about 16 billion tomans to the students of payanur university , about 14 billion tomans to the students of gheithakti university. and the ministry of health also provided 31 billion tomans in the form of loans to the students of islamic azad university based on that.

giving themselves means that it is not viewed as a part and a system. if it were looked at as a part and a system, the student welfare fund would be the student welfare fund of the ministry of science, while the student welfare fund would be. by the way because it has a supportive position, because it has an orientation to strengthen social justice, it does not only serve daily students, but by the way , it serves

more tuition-paying students. he pays up to 5 million tomans for a master's degree, and up to 7 million tomans for a doctorate, but he considers the students of the student welfare fund as the basis of social justice, and he is paying for this education without any change. it is, and by the way, to the different departments that he said , for example, azad university students, non- government students are also there for the day, but for the night , in baziriba this past year. so, look at the part where the support budgets like the welfare fund belong to the general students

are used more or less, but the part that is the head of the ministry of science, which cannot be given to the ministry of health . daily, now i think the main question of mr. nasir is that in this allocation of these subsidies, is it fair to comply with a deposit? 9% of our students study in public universities , 9th and 10th percentiles, 38 of them are in public universities, that is, in the explanation of the educational subsidy, we do not behave fairly, that is, the constitution, which is the highest document and the common agreement of all of us , is contrary to that practice. what do we mean? it means that the students of families with income understanding benefit more from the government subsidy, like unfortunately, other sectors where we have an explanation of the subsidy. you can understand how to make it a little more understandable. it's very easy , doctor. university high quality. can i give a very simple and very

clear example of a student who has the knowledge of the chair of tehran university. he acquires, he gets, is it worth the same as a student in a lower level university , it is definitely not like this, all these fields which are almost, of course, this absolute does not exist, mr. shayani mehr, this is not absolute, anyway, in this great state university of ours anyway , they are from different deciles, but i want to say the number, 38 students of new deciles are in public universities, and only 9% of the students of dr. bebin's dekas, we have a student of azad university. azad university islami is a student, for example, the second year of tehran university, their rates of education are different, definitely different , sir, the rates are not different, this is the same, but the share that he allocates, mr. doctor, you can see the quality, mr. dr. sandali, tehran university is very different from a university in terms of desirability and quality. now, i don't want, god forbid, a university. the non-government

did not accept my question. if i made a mistake, i am sorry to you and to the viewers. my question is this. i said that for night students, 3 million tomans for bachelor's degrees . i said for night government universities or all universities. for the city university, it is so, in fact, in the part that has a hidden subsidy, that is, you said that their order is wrong. it can be assumed that, for example, the tuition rate for public universities is 3 million tomans, for non-government universities, for example, 2 million tomans. they say that you can see for yourself, the tariff rate of a second-time student in a public university is certainly not responsible for the cost of his education, but the universities, in fact , their own income from other sources help to

maintain the quality of education, that is, the quality of student education. the second round of tehran university is in line with expectations good society. you can't, mr. nasir, the fact is that there is no justice at all in this hidden subsidy allocation, of course, mr. shahin mehr, mr. doctor, they only refer to the welfare fund. see, the total credit of the welfare fund is less than a thousand billion tomans, the total public specific credit is less. that is, we are talking about 1 thousand billion tomans, but that amount is about 70 80 thousand billion tomans of money, we spend it only in a government framework, now that

cultural university under the ministry of education, mr. yes, universities of the executive body, research institutes under the executive body, all of these are known by the name of literature, science, technology research you see, when we say that the ministry of science, research and technology is no longer the ministry of health, if you say that higher education includes education in medical education, it is currently the ministry of science and research in the ministry of science and research , which includes the ministry of health. the treatment of technology is not the treatment of health, the habits are correct in this sector of ours we must be careful in monitoring the direction of these expenses

. the expectation that the society has from sharif university is from tehran university, it is not just about educating students , educating high-quality students is about solving society's problems . which one is this? one of the universities can be expected to do this and then say that we should do the same in the distribution of resources. this is not justice. it is allowed , mr. doctor. look carefully, that means i want to support zainaf wherever this zainaf wants to study, zainaf must meet the qualifications and have the necessary quality. 1. i will pay attention to his income. are they studying according to the approved priorities of the overall plan of the country and the needs of the country or not? if it has these three factors, you are obliged

to support it, because the constitution does not explicitly say , just give an example of my public university student, mr. doctor. so, dr. nasiri's statement is that the ministry of science should also support non-government universities in providing resources. for example, it should be like this, but it is not necessarily like this now sir, so clear. mr. doctor, when we talk in the country's educational institution, i think it is the resource allocating organization, the roman ministry, the miracle policy making machine, mr. doctor, the budget program organization, yes, when we talk about these resources, they should be explained based on these three indicators. let me give you an example to make it clear, mr. doctor , let me give you an example. in public universities, he is a high-quality student . he is a low-quality student. in a private university , this is the way we are currently acting. he is a conditional charter student, and we support him. educational facilities we have student welfare in our islamic azad university and our other non-governmental universities

. he is studying in line with the priority of the country, he has the right to be supported. the welfare fund of the ministry of science is not a number. a thousand billion tomans is not a number. when we want to look at the country's decision-making macro, this is my macro towards a university called a government. well, in fact, the proposal and default of mr. doctor, after all, he is a researcher at the majlis research center, is that the government not the ministry of science of the government it is for the non-governmental sectors to have their own financial support, mr. d. this is true, but now our discussion is actually about the same issue of educational justice. well, whatever it is, it is definitely the same budget that the government has now with all the difficulties. it is being allocated to the ministry of science. do you think

it is being fairly divided between non-government universities or tuition-paying universities and public universities and students who do not pay tuition or not? the main question of our program is whether this budget should be used for justice and equality by taking into account all the factors that you mentioned, now at the university level, now at the university level. students, is this budget distributed fairly and should it be allocated to all students , or should you make it clear to all universities ? now, the concern of your excellency, and possibly the viewers, is that the credit of the ministry of science is explained fairly among its own universities. d. we consider the student, the whole student , that is, you are now saying that this credit has a different origin. daily student work, the formula for calculating the budget of universities to this arrangement this means that the government

does not give any budget to the ministry of science for night students or tuition-paying students. from this route, nine funds. rafah will support you. what you just said , dear doctor, is the credit that is determined for universities annually. we are a planning research institute. first , they take the statistics of daily students from us. no , they don't even get fresh daily students, that is, undergraduate students who are 4 years old. the number of students in a university is not higher. it is based on whether they have a bachelor's degree, a master's degree, or a doctorate. this is of course the base number then add to this, for example, suppose the per capita ratio of the physical space that is valid, the number of their faculty members, the number of their employees, this base number will increase based on this, so in this formula, the non-government student equation.

it has not been seen what made this basis, mr. ethmir , basically, i think the origin of this basis can be the constitution itself, which defined free education . no, i do not agree with the doctor's words, especially that they say that these credits are done per capita according to the law, sir, and this is not the case only for universities, mr. doctor, mr. doctor. basic clarity required in this law. the lowest means you count how many students are studying in what university and what quality is it in line with my goals . down with a

knowledge. don't bore our viewers. the proposition we put in the middle of the dispute is not clear . we jump to a branch in every question. this bores our viewers. see if you know exactly what that proposition is. higher education is funded by the ministry of science for all students, students of the whole country, whoever defends it. excuse me, listen again , the budget of the ministry of science is for all the students of the country , do you accept this, mr. doctor, when we are talking in eshel, mr. doctor, when we are talking in eshel and in the education system of the country, it is not the ministry of science , this constitutional program is solely dedicated to the ministry. science is not the constitution, mr. doctor. allow me to put it in the middle of the phrase. is the budget of the ministry of affairs

not to say higher education, higher education, mr. doctor? students, yes or no , what is the definition of an education budget? we don't have anything called an education budget . so let's come to the institutions in charge of education . what about the ministry of health? yes, the ministry of science . when we look at the science and technology research department , the tasks of this department are the education of students . it is our duty to obtain scientific authority . the demand we have from here is based on the minimum budget. by the way, i want to talk like this , mr. doctor. please help me with my discussion, mr. doctor. our student per capita in the country is 90 million tomans in the best case. please help me . how much is this per capita in other countries? i

took a look to help you. in the name of turkey, 300 million tomans is correct. this per capita in our region is our competitor and per capita of our students . my point is that yes, beyond the ministry of science, the government should see a plan to support azad university students. it may be advisable to do this for other universities. do this, but what is now under the title of the ministry of science, research and technology is the ministry of science and research. there is no higher education mr. taher niam, let me ask a more basic question, basically, how many students do we have in the country, give us an accurate statistic, and how many of these students are under the ministry of science , how much under the ministry of health, how many open universities, and how many of them are in any case , you know the institutions and organizations that are trying to establish a university or faculty