good evening, fellow travellers. welcome to the neil oliver show on gb news tv online and on your radio sets. this week i'll be taking a look at the scottish covid 19 inquiry and asking what is actually being revealed there. i'll also be talking to a lady whose brother died during the pandemic, and who has given evidence as part of the inquiry. on monday , a final high court on monday, a final high court judgement takes place regarding juuan judgement takes place regarding julian assange's appeal. will he be extradited to the us.7 all julian assange's appeal. will he be extradited to the us? all of that, plus plenty of discussion and opinion from my panellist, journalist and presenter jasmine birtles. but first of all, an update on the news headlines . update on the news headlines. >> very good evening to you . >> very good evening to you. it's just after 6:00. i'm sam francis, the latest from the

newsroom this hour. and we will start with developments from iran, where a helicopter carrying the iranian president and his foreign minister has crashed. that was as it was crossing a mountainous region in the north of the country this afternoon , the aircraft suffered afternoon, the aircraft suffered what's been described as a hard landing while returning from a visit to azerbaijan. it's also being reported the lives of both the president and the foreign minister are at risk, and local reports in the last few minutes suggest that rescue teams have now reached the area of that crash site , but the poor weather crash site, but the poor weather conditions are complicating their search for. here in the uk, the chancellor has vowed to compensate victims of the infected blood scandal with a £10 billion package. the families of those affected have been holding a vigil this evening in london ahead of an independent inquiry's final report, out tomorrow . jeremy report, out tomorrow. jeremy hunt is claiming the funding is part of fulfilling a promise he made to a constituent who died after contracting hepatitis c.

the scandal has been the subject of the biggest ever public inquiry in the uk. after tens of thousands of people were infected with contaminated blood . nhs staff will be told to work evenings and weekends under new plans that labour says will slash waiting lists. hospitals would be asked to share staff and to pool their waiting lists as part of a £1.1 billion drive to provide an extra 40,000 appointments each week. shadow health secretary wes streeting has also promised to protect whistleblowers and to cut the nhs reliance on migrant workers , nhs reliance on migrant workers, £1.1 billion paid for by clamping down on tax avoidance and also closing non—dom loopholes as well. >> and that will enable us to put £1.1 billion directly into the pockets of nhs staff to deliver those extra appointments at evenings and weekends, using an approach that's been tried and tested at the london hospital. i can literally see out of my office window in

westminster and therefore an approach we need to see available to patients right across the country, not just in london. and that does come with a cost. and that's why we've made this commitment as our first step on the journey to busting the tory backlog and cutting nhs waiting lists. >> officials in slovakia are investigating whether an attacker who shot the country's prime minister acted alone. 59 year old robert fitzroy's condition is no longer life threatening but is still very serious . that's after he was hit serious. that's after he was hit multiple times on wednesday. a man has now been charged with attempting to murder him, with officials there suggesting the attack was politically motivated . a 14 year old boy has died . a14 year old boy has died after getting into difficulty in the river tyne in northumberland . a huge search involving police, paramedics, fire crew and mountain rescue teams was launched on saturday. another boy, who's 13, was rescued but he's currently in hospital. critically ill. the body of a 14 year old was later found in the

water. america's first black astronaut has become the oldest person in space, 60 years after he was almost picked for an early nasa mission at 90 years old, former air force pilot ed dwight experienced a few minutes of weightlessness with five other passengers on board. a capsule operated by amazon billionaire jeff bezos. the brief flight from west texas was blue origin's seventh time taking tourists into space. and finally, if you haven't heard already from the sporting world, manchester city are premier league champions for a record fourth time in a row tonight. they beat west ham three one, with phil foden scoring twice . with phil foden scoring twice. arsenal were in with a chance of winning the title on the last day of the season if city had supped day of the season if city had slipped up, but the gunners to win 121 win rather over everton was in vain . win 121 win rather over everton was in vain. for the win 121 win rather over everton was in vain . for the latest was in vain. for the latest stories sign up to gb news alerts. you can scan the qr code

on your screen or go to our website gbnews.com/alerts. >> not seeing the wood for the trees is a sort of selective blindness we all understand, because we all suffer from it at times here in these islands, we are surrounded by trees. trees of a sort anyway. but that too often go unseen, unseen, especially, and shamefully by those that claim to lead unremarked . are the trees i'm unremarked. are the trees i'm talking about ignored? are the trees i'm talking about disregarded as though they were of no value? worst of all, overlooked as though they weren't even there. but the trees. the trees i'm talking about are there all right. the trees i'm talking about are the people real people ever day. some of those people, those real people stop me to talk for a few minutes. we talk together about

some of what we think is wrong with britain and the wider world. the people i talk to know what's wrong all around them without having to be told. it's called common sense . it's often called common sense. it's often in tones of the utmost frustration and disbelief at what they see all around them. there are people with families, people with jobs, people with a sense of responsibility . we who sense of responsibility. we who know what's what, who know what's right . most of those folk what's right. most of those folk are the sort that keep the world moving forward , the sort that moving forward, the sort that make things, fix things, deliver things that do the things everyone counts on every day. they happen to be the sort of people i've always lived among my fellow travellers, people who understand me and i understand in return , instinctively, in return, instinctively, without having to think about it. when i was working in south africa a lot of years ago now, good people there were in the habit of describing anyone straightforward, sensible and useful as an oak. i don't know if they still do that, but at the time it struck me as meaningful. it also made me

think about how back here in the old country of britain, we've learned to say that nearly all the oak trees are gone, which is true, that our ancestors cut them down to build houses, to build the ships of nelson's navy. all of that . it's true navy. all of that. it's true that all of that ship building and house building changed the landscape of britain, that the old oak trees are thin on the ground, but still the oak tree is synonymous with britain and with what it means to be british. hearts of oak, we say, of the best of our kind, the oak tree is slow growing, long lived, a thousand year lifespan for each one strong, resilient, a protector of all that lives in its shadow. long ago, people learned to admire the oak. druids paid them special attention to say the least. druid is an old word that means something like the people that know the oak trees. long ago, our ancestors cut down most of the oak trees. that much is true, but also true is that oak trees are all around us. yet in another form. the oak trees i'm talking about are those people i

mentioned before that do things build and make things fix things that do the things we count on every day ? they're also the every day? they're also the people that get on about their business without asking for any help. they don't need help and they don't want interference. they certainly don't want or willingly tolerate interference from people in authority who know nothing about nothing . what know nothing about nothing. what breaks my heart is that the powers that be completely disregard , ignore and dismiss disregard, ignore and dismiss those people, those oaks. if the powers that be see those people at all, then they count them as less than nothing. surplus to requirements. indeed, if they nofice requirements. indeed, if they notice them now, it's to disparage them. call them names. little englanders , fascists, little englanders, fascists, white supremacists, nationalists, white van man. this disregarding of an entire class of people. people who just want to work to build better lives for themselves and their families is a disgrace in america. hillary clinton dismissed them as a basket of deplorables , by which she meant deplorables, by which she meant anyone who didn't agree with her just an trudeau of canada

described people that wouldn't take the so—called vaccines as racists and misogynists. he called the truckers far right, seized their bank accounts. peaceful protesters were jailed, farmers standing in the face of attempts to take their land to end generations of food production, and others like them all across europe are vilified as far right extremists. protests against lockdown by the sort of real people i'm talking about were ignored, ridiculed . about were ignored, ridiculed. violence was meted out upon them that this happened. disgust me more and more. the policies, the policies being pursued in the west are revealed as simply anti—human . what do most people anti—human. what do most people want? after all, a home of their own, a family, a job, peace to get on with it. also peace in the world. most people in the world want peace instead. what do they get? they get needled incessantly about things that are no business of the authorities . those authorities authorities. those authorities come after people's cars the way people can heat their homes. people are needled about the food they eat at school. their children are taught that mum and

dad might not be the people to listen to about much of anything, and certainly not about such matters as whether they should be content with the bodies they were born in. the names they were given. the anti—human agenda tells people . anti—human agenda tells people. people who just want to be left alone to work and raise families unmolested, that they are to blame for the imminent ending of life on earth . the anti—human life on earth. the anti—human agenda tells hard working people to pay no attention to decay in the homeland, to failing infrastructure, breathtaking price rises on food and fuel and every other damned thing to systemic corruption in the institutions , in the banks, to institutions, in the banks, to failing standards of education. ignore all that those people are told, and watch us send billions of pounds to corrupt nations thousands of miles away for pointless, endless wars. ignore that you don't feel safe at home. ignore the potholes on the roads , ignore all that those roads, ignore all that those people are told. and if anyone raises their voice to object, they have their noses rubbed in they have their noses rubbed in the fact there's not a damn thing they can do about it. what breaks my heart is that those people, descendants of hundreds

of generations of others, like them deeply rooted in the soil of this place, are overlooked as though they don't matter, as though they don't matter, as though they don't matter, as though they never mattered, as though they never mattered, as though they never mattered, as though they have nothing to give. as though this country and the world would be better off without them. they're even ridiculed for that sense of belonging , that sense of place. belonging, that sense of place. the anti humanists want to take an axe to all of that, to cut everyone everywhere away from the roots so that they feel disconnected, belonging , disconnected, belonging, nowhere, and therefore anywhere rootless as tumbleweed . it's one rootless as tumbleweed. it's one of the oldest tricks in the book. this cutting of the roots of people, every religion, every ideology, every leader of a popular movement has employed it. and it works every time . it. and it works every time. this behaviour by the latest ideologues and authoritarians is as deliberate as it is cynical. they wield the axe to separate us one from another, to cleave us one from another, to cleave us into smaller and smaller groups, so that all the little groups, so that all the little groups might be set at each other's throats, whether it's on the grounds of race or religion, anything to stoke the fires, all

the heat, all the anger is between groups. when it should simply be all of us against the few of them. we don't even have to like each other while we deal with them. my enemy's enemy is my friend. remember and all of us have a common foe. the solution for everyone begins with seeing that it's happening. all this division, all this driving of hatred and fear, and it's being done on purpose by the only ones who ever profit and benefit from the resultant chaos, which is the few. where is the leader who will notice far less care? what might be built of such a forest of oaks? there are towering oaks all around us, and any leader could receive no greater honour in this life than to have the respect of those people, those people are still here long after most of the oak trees felled long ago, and someone with the wit could stand within alongside those oaks and make something unbeatable. it's an open goal we have before us. parliament's rotten , the institutions are rotten, the institutions are rotten. the judiciary, the civil

service, the media rotten, the fiat currencies are ponzi schemes rotten. all of it. the whole damn system. a whole damn state is rotten. anyone with a mind to could knock it all down. it's an open goal, and anyone with half a mind could enlist those people that make and fix and do empower them and have them dig out all the decay and set about the straightforward, easier work of building something new, something fresh, and something clean. here's the thing this anti—human , these thing this anti—human, these anti—human authorities are powerless in the face of the many . but powerless in the face of the many. but only powerless in the face of the many . but only when the many many. but only when the many realise and accept that they're being played yet again by the few provoked into fighting each other, when all that anger might usefully be pointed not from side to side at the neighbours, but upwards to where all the evil lies. where all the trouble in the world comes from. in spite of all i've just been talking about, in spite of all the fear porn, all the censorship, the deliberate and cynical conjuring into being of one war after another, one scamdemic after another, one existential crisis after

another. in spite of all that, frankly, i honestly think because of all that, the many are finally believing less and less of what they're told. in fact, the oaks believe none of it. that that will be our strength. that is how we will prevail together in the face of the axe being wielded against us. i'm joined tonight by presenter jasmine us. i'm joined tonight by presenterjasmine birtles. hello, jasmine. hello there. always good to have you here. thank you. to share the hours. yeah, as i said, it breaks my heart that the people, the good people are just ignored. totally. where is the leader that will recognise the people for what they are and what they're capable of? >> well, any any leader that's doing that is, is now being branded a far right extremist. dangerous someone like gert fielder, someone like robert fico in slovakia, who has just been shot, as we know. and it is truly shocking that our media, few media, certainly in the uk, have basically said, well, you know, he asked for it , he's too

know, he asked for it, he's too right wing. he was against the ukraine war. he was against lockdowns, things like that, you know. and so that is essentially what they're saying. >> and also he also he spoke about the who. and the changes to the international health regulations and so on and so on, and pointed out what ought to be glaringly obvious to everyone by now. yeah, that that's a power grab by unelected, unaccountable centralists . centralists. >> yes. where have we heard that before? extraordinary isn't it? it seems to keep happening all over the place. and, you know, as you were talking about about the oaks, the trees around us, i was also thinking how ironic it is that those i wouldn't say environmentalists, i would say political environmentalist, those who have greenwashed themselves and are pretending that what they're doing is, is for our good. you know, the ecological good. they hate trees. i mean , any time you have trees. i mean, any time you have these sort of political environmentalists, you know, they get power , they cut down they get power, they cut down all the trees. you know, they did it in plymouth. do you remember that? and also, they

seem to hate flora and fauna generally. i mean, now in this country, incredibly, if you happen to have chickens in your back garden, which is something, if i had a back garden, i'd have them. you have to register them. and now i just put something on my twitter about new zealand. the new zealand government is forcing their burning bee boxes. what what hives exactly. they're burning hives because they say, oh, they've got mites . that is oh, they've got mites. that is not a reason to burn them. i, i don't get it, but there really seems to be an assault from the so—called ecologically friendly leaders that we have across the world. >> you're right. that agenda 2030, or whatever you want to call it, which sells itself as as caring for a sustainable future for the planet and all life upon it seems quite the opposite, quite the contrary, to care about nothing and to care about people least of all. >> yes. and hence the hatred of farmers. you know, again , farmers. you know, again, somebody one of my twitter

followers said that in in india , followers said that in in india, the farmers there are being absolutely hammered. we've seen what's been happening in europe. geert wilders, as far as i can see, has come into power on the back of the anger of the dutch farmers. farmers in this country are on their knees, pretty much, but they're getting together now and there is this extraordinary, hatred of farming of cows. cows have been vilified. cows, for goodness sake . and it's a weird goodness sake. and it's a weird thing that wherever you have these political ecologists, political, environmental analysts, they get rid of trees, they'll get rid of fields and put metal and glass. you know that are you'll have this sort of solar panels, but they seem to hate places where you've got, you know, the usual sort of bucolic scene that we've grown up with, with nice sheep and cows, which is why it seems absolutely obvious to me that whether to be a leader , who whether to be a leader, who would these people are waiting ?

would these people are waiting? >> yeah. the people that understand all of this, the oppressed , hate the landscape, oppressed, hate the landscape, know how to care for it, that know how to care for it, that know how to build and make infects. >> they just need one person, one person. yes, to let them go . one person. yes, to let them go. in a sense, yes. not even to lead, just to stand within them and let them go on with that which what is that they do ? which what is that they do? >> true. i think these people exist , but the level of courage exist, but the level of courage that it takes to be that person and to stand against all the establishments , against establishments, against academia, particularly against media, against the civil service, all of which are railed against and, and backed, of course, by, by the who and the, the west and the un, all that sort of thing. they are railed against any sort of individualism, any sort of sort of support of the people that you've been talking about, those hearts of oak. >> and it's just the people. it's just the people need to be let loose. we're on a break, after which i will be taking a look at the scottish covid 19 inquiry, asking what its

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>> welcome back to the neil oliver show. now the uk covid 19 inquiry is currently sitting in edinburgh. the scottish part of

that inquiry as it probes the devolved administrations response to the pandemic . response to the pandemic. joining me to discuss this is consultant pathologist doctor claire craig. welcome, claire. thank you neil. have you been keeping up with the testimony, let's say that's been been given to both of these inquiries. >> i have been watching it and it has been really quite shocking and it really stands in contrast to the english inquiry, because these are real people telling their own stories in a way that we haven't seen in england. >> what has been the nature of the inquiry in england? what's been the style and the content then? >> so in england, what we've predominantly seen is people who are already in positions of power going and defending their decision making, whereas what we're seeing in scotland are people whose lives were affected. getting to finally be heard. >> i, i watched i've seen some of it and i'll be i'll be the first to admit, you know, i

haven't been on top of it as much as i should have done as another, as another observer. >> it's unbelievable testimony that people are coming forward with about it's beyond neglect. >> it really is. and it's really, really important because the what they're doing is lifting the lid on what happened in care homes in spring 2020, and that is such a fundamental part of the covid story. so 46% of the deaths in scotland that were attributed to covid happenedin were attributed to covid happened in care homes. so if that story isn't quite the one that story isn't quite the one that we've been told, it's important that it gets heard . important that it gets heard. >> jasmine. >> jasmine. >> it is quite astonishing. is it not, that that these stories are being told and by and large, the general population still are unaware? >> it drives me nuts because, as you say, this is really important. we've got people, real, ordinary people who have suffered terrible things , suffered terrible things, actually getting the chance to say something. but the

mainstream media is not covering it. and i think it's because generally speaking, it can't bear to the editors . the bear to the editors. the journalists can't bear to admit that they were wrong and that they were part of this, because it's not just the care homes. it's not just the medical establishment, it's the government. it is the media. it's the civil service. you know, again, this sort of big blob of individuals who all were speaking and thinking in lockstep , and now it's being lockstep, and now it's being thrown back in their faces and they don't like it. >> khalife what was happening? i mean, the people to whom this was happening, you would regard as the most amongst the most vulnerable in any of our communities and what the treatment that seemed to be meted out to them is beyond neglect, to the point where it just seems cruel. >> how what are we looking at here in terms of the testimony as described so i look at it broadly as falling into two camps. >> so on the one hand, we had people who were given do not resuscitate orders, and the

reality is that most resuscitation is not successful . resuscitation is not successful. and when it is successful, you often need intensive care support . but that happened at support. but that happened at the same time as hospitals were denying admission to anybody that had a do not resuscitate order. so it wasn't that it was do not resuscitate. it became do not give any medical care to these people so that that was one catastrophe. and then the other side of it was what was happening with end of life medication , whereby people who , medication, whereby people who, we had the protocols that were binary in terms of what could happenif binary in terms of what could happen if somebody deteriorated and if they weren't going to be actively treated and put on ventilators , then they were to ventilators, then they were to be given end of life medication. now it doesn't mean that everybody in a care home with covid ended up on end of life medication, and there would have been some for whom that would have been appropriate because they were going to die. but it seems that there is a bigger middle portion here than i had appreciated at first, because

there are so many people who've been telling stories about their loved ones who, under other circumstances, would have been treated very differently, and who, you know, for lack of visitors , which was a big deal. visitors, which was a big deal. we did not have the support and care they normally would have had and were being given these drugs , which are very powerful drugs, which are very powerful and dangerous and which palliative care experts were calling out. in may 2020, because these protocols were very explicit about how you accelerated the drug, but said nothing about winding it down. and these drugs suppress the respiratory drive. so where they have a great usage in end of life care, when you've got cancen life care, when you've got cancer, it's a different story. when you've got an acute respiratory infection . and the respiratory infection. and the drive to breathe is incredibly important in terms of survival. >> yes. sorry, sorry. >> i'm just saying so essentially you're saying that really quite large cohorts of people were being murdered. i mean , honestly, that's what the mean, honestly, that's what the way it sounds to me.

>> so i think that's really, really difficult term to using. and sorry. and i don't think that the people who were giving out these medications had any ill intent . i genuinely don't ill intent. i genuinely don't think there was any ill intent in what they were doing, it was how these decisions were being made is the problem. so first of all, you've got, people who the doctors were, giving out these prescriptions beforehand, getting people already ready for lockdown and then were very much practising at a distance at the other end of a phone. and so people who are making the decisions about the likelihood of living or dying, wood did not necessarily have the expertise to be doing that. >> that's that really begins to touch on what frightens me about what happened. it was the fact that these places, these a lot of these care homes became places in which the elderly were lost and isolated . the normal lost and isolated. the normal engagement with the family , you engagement with the family, you know, who have the best interests of those people

closest to their hearts, were left out of the equation. and that these people, often with dementia , you know, often in dementia, you know, often in a very precarious health position, were isolated in every way that mattered. >> absolutely . and when i first >> absolutely. and when i first heard these stories, i will admit to being very sceptical about it, because as a doctor, what i've experienced is that when somebody dies , you often when somebody dies, you often have sort of two types of relative. you have the ones that have been at the bedside and who've heard all of the details and have followed the story in depth, who understand what happened and then you have the sort of relatives that are distance, however far that may have been, who very often don't quite get it and feel, you know, aggrieved about the process and want to blame. and so when i first heard these stories, i thought that this was because of my mass communication breakdown, because of what we had done. you know, if you remove the relatives from a dying situation, you're going to create that problem . but having create that problem. but having heard all these testimonies where the story is the same

again and again and again , it again and again and again, it becomes, i just think i was wrong on that. i don't think it was a communication problem. i think there was more to it than that. there was more going on there. >> and jasmine, it felt like yet another example of why locking down in the way that that was forced upon us. it's another example of the way in which that was disastrous. >> every way. honestly, i cannot think of a really good reason to lock down, anybody, any of us, you know, whatever cohort and particularly in this case, we had so many stories. and even so, i've seen videos of people, you know, at the window of the care homes trying to touch each other. and they can't and physically held away from each other. how is that good in any way, any way for people who are trying to get better? you know, it's like we now realise it's a goodidea it's like we now realise it's a good idea to bring dogs and cats, you know, pets in to help people. the very least that you could do is to is to help people

by having them very close to their loved ones, that that's very often what makes them better . forget about the drugs better. forget about the drugs and everything. >> jasmine and claire are going to stay with me. we're going into a break, but after that, we'll all still be together. and i'll be joined by one of the witnesses who testified during the scottish covid 19 inquiry. and she'll tell us what happened to her brother during the pandemic. we're watching the neil oliver show on gb news. don't go away. >> we are proud to be gb news the people's channel. and as you know, we always love to hear your views. now there's a new way of getting in touch with us @gbnews .com forward. slash your say by commenting. you can be part of a live conversation and join our gb news community. you can even talk to me, bev turner or any of the members of the gb news family. simply go to gb news. com forward slash your say

i >> welcome back to the neil oliver show. my next guest lost her brother james, a father of two, aged just 41, during the pandemic. the reason for his death was given as covid 19, she has given evidence at the scottish covid 19 inquiry. before i introduce her, just get this sense of the atmosphere of the testimony of the inquiry. here's a short clip. the inquiry must investigate whether the right to life under article two was respected and protected . was respected and protected. >> we anticipate the inquiry will hear that people were pressured to agree to do not resuscitate notices , that people resuscitate notices, that people were not resuscitated, even though no such notice was in place, that residents may have been neglected and left to starve , that families are not starve, that families are not sure they were told the truth about their relatives cause of

death. that the usual process for certification of deaths was departed from the inquiry. must investigate potential violations of article three. the prohibition on torture , inhuman prohibition on torture, inhuman and degrading treatment . and degrading treatment. >> pamela thomas joins me now down the line. hello, pamela. thanks for joining down the line. hello, pamela. thanks forjoining me. this evening . evening. >> hi, neal. thanks for having me on. can you give us a sense of, well, what happened to your brother? >> and, you know , the testimony >> and, you know, the testimony that you gave to the inquiry. >> yeah. well, i don't know if you've watched the inquiry or not, the evidence that i gave. but everything that's kind of coming out at the inquiry has been quite damning . and there's been quite damning. and there's not a single person reporting on our testimonies. the things that that we've went through as a families, the way we've had to

suffer, the way we've been stonewalled, that the lies, the cover ups have been non—stop since since day one. >> tell me what you saw happening to your brother. >> my brother was basically locked away from us. my brother was six days before i was allowed to have a whatsapp video call with him, and by that time he was placed on a ventilator and he was unconscious. so wasn't able to communicate with me. i was only able to communicate with him, speak to him, and see him via a phone screen, it was absolutely horrific, every single day , the horrific, every single day, the phone calls i would phone first thing in the morning, phone calls i would phone first thing in the morning , the thing in the morning, the doctors would do the rounds, they would phone me back in the afternoon, i would phone again, do a video call roughly around about tea time between tea time and 7:30. and then i call again before i went to my bed each night. so it was roughly four

times a day, and every single times a day, and every single time i was basically being told the same thing every single time on the phone calls, i was being asked if i had been vaccinated, if anyone else had been vaccinated in my family. if we hadnt vaccinated in my family. if we hadn't been, then we should be, and all along i was told that my brother had a single organ like failure. it was his covid lungs. it was only his lungs. that was a problem with my brother, which was basically lies. >> what did james go into hospital with? what were his symptoms that, you know, that prompted him to seek treatment at all? >> well, so it was dehydration and diarrhoea. so we were under the impression that he would have some fluids and, you know, we would be home in no time. but a few hours after i'm being admitted into hospital, we were told that he was going to die. he was going to die within a matter of two hours. we were going. we were told that he was

going. we were told that he was going to die. you know, i can still remember to this day the screaming, how, how, how can he be going to die? how how is he going to die? what has been, pamela? >> what has been the atmosphere in the inquiry? you know, have you felt that your testimony and the testimony of other people who have relied stories to tell? in what way is your testimony being received? there >> well, it was it was it was fantastic to get the opportunity to give the evidence and see, although , you know, there was although, you know, there was there was issues around being able to see, say, my brother's name, for instance, that had to be all sorted out on the first day of the inquiry, we weren't even allowed to say, say, say the name. of our loved ones, eventually we were allowed to, but we weren't allowed to name the hospitals or any of the doctors or nurses or anybody that was involved in their care. we were restricted from doing that, but we got the chance to

give our evidence and obviously by being able to do that, that's what's got me here today. and obviously i've had other kind of podcasts and things like that. >> we approached the nhs trust for comment. they said, well, we cannot comment on matters relating to individual patients due to patient confidentiality. our thoughts remain with mr cameron's family, our clinicians have responded in great detail on two occasions to the concerns raised by the family. we have already invited the family to raise any outstanding concerns with us, and this offer remains on. >> pamela thomas , thank you so >> pamela thomas, thank you so much, my heart goes out to you on account of everything that you've gone through, the loss of your brother, what it must have been like for your family. but thank you so much for taking the time to bring that to light this evening. >> okay. thanks for having me on. take care. >> now we're going into a break,

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>> welcome back to the neal oliver show. on monday, there will be a final judgement in the

high court regarding the appeal by australian born publisher juuan by australian born publisher julian assange against extradition to the united states. with that in mind , are states. with that in mind, are he faces 18 criminal charges. and i. it's going to be a matter of what the court finally decides. joining me to discuss this is a chairman of republicans overseas, greg swenson, and also editor in chief of wikileaks, kristinn hrafnsson . kristin, thanks for hrafnsson. kristin, thanks for making time for us this evening. what do we predict is going to happen on monday? >> well, if i was were to predict logical and rational and just outcome, it would be that juuan just outcome, it would be that julian would be granted leave to appeal. he was granted a provisional leave to appeal on one ground. all the other grounds which were very impressive, were dismissed, and some of those were dismissed on on absolutely incredible twisted logic. we can come at that into that later. but he was granted

this leave to appeal, that later. but he was granted this leave to appeal , because it this leave to appeal, because it seemed that he would not be granted first amendment protection as a publisher and a journalist in the united states. however, the united states government was asked to clarify that. so they were asked a simple question will julian assange be able to rely on the first amendment in a us courtroom? the united states government has come back in written form and said he can seek to rely on the first amendment. that's a no answer in any anybody's book. so they haven't fulfilled what the request that the court said. so the logical outcome would be that on monday and it shouldn't take long. the judges will say, you haven't met our, our the points that we set and he should he will get a leave to appeal. however, we have seen a lot of very strange and spurious things in the courts here, so i have to admit that i, i take a cynical

approach to that. >> what is, julian assange's mood at the moment? i mean, it's almost an impossible question to answer , i know, but after all of answer, i know, but after all of this time, year after year, after year, where is he now? >> well, he's been in belmarsh prison now for more than five years. mentally, you can imagine how what an effect it has to be. an innocent man locked up for more than five years in a in a in a in a in a limbo. before that, he spent seven years in ecuadorian embassy. asylee. before that he was was , under before that he was was, under house arrest for two years. so it's 14 years of being deprived of liberty in one form or another, of course, he's been under an extreme duress, and it's stressful. he has suffered. and i cannot go into personal detail . i visit to and i cannot go into personal detail. i visit to him regularly, but it's a matter for the court, and it's the records have been sent to the courts , have been sent to the courts, which, say basically that he is in grave danger. >> greg, it's. i looking on at

this. i can only give my opinion on this. it just it seems unbelievable to me that a publisher in the 21st century has been treated in this way and continues to be in extremis in the way that julian assange is. >> yeah, it's pretty outrageous . >> yeah, it's pretty outrageous. and i think i'm one of the converted on this when it first happened, you know, a decade ago, everybody just kind of jumped to the conclusion and they threw him in the same basket as as bradley manning, which i thought in retrospect was a mistake. so, you know, all juuan was a mistake. so, you know, all julian was a publisher, is a publisher, and he published something that's different than stealing. he didn't steal anything. bradley manning stole something . he went to the, you something. he went to the, you know, penitentiary. and, you know, penitentiary. and, you know, for seven years, as it turns out, because he was found guilty of espionage act, amongst many other things. so i think you have to really separate the two. and so, you know, over the years, you know, by paying more attention to the detail, that's one reason i've flipped on this. but the second reason is, is what's happened in the last five

or so years in the us and the uk in terms of freedom of speech and freedom of the press. it's outrageous what's happened. and, you know, the list of examples, you know, the list of examples, you know, the list of examples, you know, starting with the hunter biden laptop and the russia collusion hoax. and, you know, whether it's media companies purposely censoring themselves for, you know, the benefit of one view that they have or the government actually getting involved with the censorship. we saw that here with the 77th brigade. we saw it in constantly with the biden white house working with facebook. we're working with other media companies on the censorship, mostly during the covid years. that's probably the most obvious, but that's so that's really changed perceptions of, you know, conservatives like myself, who always kind of jump to the first conclusion of, you know, anti—american. let's put him in jail . you know, he it's just a jail. you know, he it's just a natural impulse when you when you see, you know, american or british soldiers at risk , which british soldiers at risk, which you can kind of attach to that. but that's again, that's not on juuan but that's again, that's not on julian i might not agree with. i

would have preferred he didn't pubush would have preferred he didn't publish it, but that doesn't mean he should be in jail for publishing it. >> justin, what are the are the ramifications for the role of publisher , for the role of publisher, for the role of people who, who, who seek to bnng people who, who, who seek to bring truthful, accurate information to the public? what does this what does this fit to does this what does this fit to do to the future of publishing in the west? >> it is one of the most gravest threats to the future of journalism. if this goes ahead. so and every every major human rights and free speech organisations in the . world now organisations in the. world now agree with that. and they they are pointing to the very severe implications. this could have the precedent being set and it could be argued that it had already had a very serious cooling effect on the media, which this has hurt. the press freedom worldwide and it just goes without saying. i mean, if, if, if the american government is allowed to have, you know,

universal jurisdiction and, and, and as in this case, demand an extradition of an australian publisher who is publishing in europe and never comes close to the, the, the, the, the united states and hand him over and throw him into jail there not a single journalist anywhere is safe in the world. >> and to me, the most glaring part of this is that he's hardly alone in having published what he published. >> absolutely. i mean, he was publishing in coordination with all one of the biggest powerhouses in the mainstream media environment with the new york times, the der spiegel, the guardian, and actually under obama , the justice department obama, the justice department under eric holder did look into the matter whether they should open a prosecution against julian. and they came to the conclusion that would be just a too much a danger to the first amendment principle. they actually called it the new york times problem, because there was no distinction being made between what julian did and what the new york times , our the new york times, our collaborators, our media, co—workers in the project were

doing . doing. >> greg, surely this is a situation from which the us administration must extract itself . itself. >> yeah, i would agree. i mean, for the american government, the us government to be involved in this kind of censorship or, or the threat to publishers, you know, not just wikileaks publishers life . it's. yeah. and publishers life. it's. yeah. and it's really done great damage . it's really done great damage. and i think, you know, we've seen and i agree with you, kristen, you know, we've seen the results of this. right. and now i can't pin this particular incident on the lack of interest from the media. maybe that's just because they become biased or disagree with, you know, with with the people and the mainstream. but you know, this is this is a not a not a good moment for and i'm glad that there's a good chance that he won't be extradited. so. >> well, let's hope so. >> well, let's hope so. >> yeah. that has to be all from me this week on tv. but this

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tonight that the iranian president and the foreign minister of iran are missing after their helicopter crashed in the mountains in the north of the country. ibrahim raissi was travelling across the far northwest of iran following a visit earlier to azerbaijan. a huge search is now underway involving red crescent rescue teams and the military. but poor weather, we understand, is hampering their efforts. teams of police have now taken to the mountains on foot, looking for the president and the foreign minister. we're also hearing in the last few minutes from iranian officials telling the state tv there that contact contact has been made with one of the passengers and one of the crew members of the president's helicopter making contact. they say on several occasions we will bnng say on several occasions we will bring you more on that throughout the course of this evening. meanwhile, in the uk, the families of those affected by the infected blood scandal have been holding a vigil this evening ahead of an independent inquiry whose final report is

out tomorrow. the scandal has