but he's welcome to portillo. but he's not here. he's on holiday this week. so i'm with you, richard tice. for the next two hours. we've got some great debates. we've got some great debates. we've got some great debates. we've got a bit of culture and world affairs. hopefully to brighten up your sunday. now, new research this week has revealed that private schools have already hiked their fees in preparation for the labour party's vat proposals. should they win the next election. but have they already backfired before they've even begun.7 i'll before they've even begun.7 i'll be discussing this with an expert panel. also, the weight loss drugs were govee a zenpix vendon loss drugs were govee a zenpix vendor. they've been hailed as the wonder drugs as they ushered in a new era on the war on obesity. but are we becoming a bit lazy when signing up for these quick fix fat busting methods? what are the side effects and who benefits actually the most when these drugs are now not available via the nhs? should they be? shouldn't they be? that's the big question. what are the pharmacies going to do? like

boots and superdrug? i'll be talking to two leading experts about about their views on this critical topic and who should pay - critical topic and who should pay . and of course, the pay. and of course, the government this week has voted in favour of a new law that would ensure that cyclists are held accountable , particularly held accountable, particularly with regard to fatalities that they may cause in the same way as motorists. but actually, should cyclists just have to obey the rules like motorists do? i mean, why should they be allowed to, you know, ride recklessly on the road and cause chaos injury? i think they should be the subject of the same laws. i'll be joined by the law. and nick freeman , aka mr. law. and nick freeman, aka mr. loophole, as he's been described , and also britain's most hated cyclist. goodness me, that's quite a title, isn't it? see if the brakes should be applied on this law. and of course, the arts. we've got the great stefan kyriazis, the arts editor, to talk us through his latest theatrical adventures and excitements. before all of that, folks, it's the headlines with sophia wenzler.

>> richard. thank you. good morning. it's 11:02. i'm sophia morning. it's11:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . wenzler in the gb newsroom. >> chancellor jeremy hunt has vowed to compensate victims for the infected blood scandal with a £10 billion package. hunt claimed it was part of a fulfilling a promise he made to a constituent who died after contracting hepatitis c. the scandal has been the subject of the biggest ever public inquiry in the uk , after tens of in the uk, after tens of thousands of people were infected with contaminated blood and blood products . infected with contaminated blood and blood products. nhs infected with contaminated blood and blood products . nhs staff and blood products. nhs staff will be told to work evenings and weekends under labour plans to slash waiting lists. hospitals would be asked to share staff and pool waiting lists as part of a £1.1 billion drive, providing an extra 40,000 appointments a week. shadow health secretary wes streeting also promised to protect whistleblowers and cut the nhs reliance on migrant workers. >> £1.1 billion paid for by clamping down on tax avoidance

and also closing non—dom loopholes as well. and that will enable us to put £1.1 billion directly into the pockets of nhs staff to deliver those extra appointments at evenings and weekends , using an approach weekends, using an approach that's been tried and tested at the london hospital. i can literally see out of my office window in westminster and therefore an approach we need to see available to patients right across the country, not just in london. and that does come with a cost. and that's why we've made this commitment as our first step on the journey to busting the tory backlog and cutting nhs waiting lists , the cutting nhs waiting lists, the prime minister is set to warn the public about the risks of artificial intelligence. >> rishi sunak will tell a major tech summit in south korea that managing the risks of ai is one of the most profound responsibilities faced by world leaders. the prime minister will be a virtual co—host remotely from london alongside south korean president yoon suk yeol . korean president yoon suk yeol. in other news, an israeli war cabinet minister has threatened

to resign if prime minister benjamin netanyahu doesn't adopt a new plan for gaza. benny gantz has set an 8th of june deadline for a plan to achieve six strategic goals, including the end of hamas rule in gaza. it comes after the israeli military says it recovered another body yesterday after the bodies of three israeli hostages were recovered from gaza on friday. israel says it believes 100 hostages are still alive there. defence secretary grant shapps told gb news he is pleased benny gantz has spoken out. >> it is vital, vital that for israel , of course, for israel, of course, for palestinians that there is a route in which they end up with a government which is which are not a bunch of terrorists, which is what hamas are, but people who can properly represent them. and israel needs to set that out, because there could be, if you put all of those pieces into place and combine it with normalised of relations with saudi arabia, for example , a

saudi arabia, for example, a better future for that region, including for israel . so, yes, including for israel. so, yes, i do think it's time to set that out. and we have been urging this step to take place . this step to take place. >> northern ireland secretary chris heaton—harris has said he will not be standing at the next general election. the tory mp posted on ecs saying it has been an honour and a privilege to serve. mr heaton—harris has been the northern ireland secretary since september 2022. he announced his intention in a letter to prime minister rishi sunak , and history was made in sunak, and history was made in saudi arabia last night as oleksandr usyk became boxing's undisputed world heavyweight champion after defeating tyson fury . the champion after defeating tyson fury. the ukrainian won on a split decision following the fight in riyadh. fury was nearly knocked out in the ninth round but disputed the loss afterwards, seeming to suggest usyk only won on sympathy votes because of the war in ukraine. in response, usyk said he was ready for a rematch. speaking after the fight , tyson fury

ready for a rematch. speaking after the fight, tyson fury said it was very close. >> it was a close fight, you know, i believed. >> i thought i did enough, but, you know, i'm not a judge. i can't judge a fight while i'm boxing. it you know, if they would have said to me in the last round or whatever, you're down, go out and try and finish him, i would have done that. but we believe everyone in the corner believed we were up. you know, also i had to do was just keep boxing and doing what i was doing. and, you know, i thought he was getting it. but it was what it was. i'm not going to cry about spilled milk. i've had plenty of victories and i've gave god the glory. i've had this one loss and a close, close fight, you know, with a good, good man like usyk. >> and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to richard. >> and a very good morning to

you and thank you, sofia, for those news headlines. well, i'm with you for the next two hours, michael is having a well—earned break this week, but we've got loads and loads to get through, some great debates, a little bit of politics, but also some other debates, including manners maketh man. but first up, a really important topic that has come to the fore this week because the labour party, as part of its plans, if it is elected in the government, wants to put vat of 20% on independent school fees, and that estimates that it might generate as much as £1.6 billion. well, that's the theory. but have these proposals already backfired before they've even been put into action? because some recent figures shows that already. and i've actually got experience of this . yes, less parents are this. yes, less parents are signing up and putting their kids into private schools in the last year, way before this plan is put into action. well, it's an important debate and i want your views at home as well.

should the vat be added to school fees and you can have your say gbnews.com/yoursay i'll take your views later on. we've got a great panel to talk about it. and also, well, why just school fees? what about university fees? i mean that's elitist as well to discuss this, i've got former labour adviser, head of policy at catch 22, stella kidu, and also the chief political correspondent for the times, aubrey allegretti, and the former adviser to michael gove. charlie rowley . ladies and gove. charlie rowley. ladies and gentlemen, a very good morning to you. this is a big topic. and aubrey, i'm going to start with you. is this smart politics or is it just the politics of envy that sort of satisfies a bit of red meat to the communists on the left of the labour party? >> i think it's probably helpful to start by sort of zooming out on this, because labour needs to go into this election offering substantial policies , things substantial policies, things that people will think make the country better. and they've been accused of being quite lacklustre on that front of not

having very many plans, of not being very ambitious or bold . being very ambitious or bold. and i actually think this is a policy which labour can point to respond to those critics and say this is something that we do want to do. we do want to add vat to private school fees in order to fund the hiring of 6500 teachers in our public schools. so i think the sort of big opfics so i think the sort of big optics of this for labour are quite helpful. >> do you think smart politics is really where you're at in terms of their sort of core voter base and we'll come on to actually whether it does generate any revenue at all, so charlie from aubrey , their smart charlie from aubrey, their smart politics, michael gove, he sort of flirted with this idea. maybe it's all your fault. maybe you're responsible for this. oh, i think, michael was education secretary a bit before my time, but, i agree with them, aubrey, to a certain extent, that, look, you know, labour do need to have more meat on the bone. >> they do need to present more policies because the public don't really know what they stand for. and i think that is an issue for them. so they come forward with with this one. rachel reeves yesterday opened

the door to rent caps. >> but but this is this is i mean, this is the starter. it's, it's the politics of envy, isn't it? you've got great schools and you're saying, well, actually, we want less people to be able to afford to go to them. >> brilliant. and this is the thing, it's the, the theory versus the reality. it's the campaign versus being in government. so like with the rent caps, the idea that just increases rents elsewhere and it removes people from the housing sector. so you don't have the supply. so you have even more demand. prices go up elsewhere with this particular policy. it would it could potentially fund more teachers for the state school sector sector that i was very happy to be educated in. however, what you will see are parents not sending their kids to private schools. those kids will then also have to come into the state education sector . so the state education sector. so there will be even more. let's just look at the numbers. >> let's just look at the numbers. the labour party claimed that it's going to raise about 1.6 1.7 billion gross on the fees, but schools can then reclaim the input costs. that's about, 400 million. and then of

course, lots of children are not going to be able to afford to go. estimates 100,000. lots of the independent schools are going to have to reduce their bursaries, which means more children maybe. i mean, very quickly it's whittled down to the square root of nothing stellar. so this is just the politics of envy, isn't it? >> richard, you've made so many points. there that i think are great spin for the independent schools council. i actually found the numbers that they gave out to be incredibly manipulative, and we've seen a lot of manipulative spin in the last week. i think this one takes the cookie really first mtly, states who rolls ? the mtly, states who rolls? the numbers are falling anyway. they are projected to fall. to fall by 400,000 between now and 2028. it's irrelevant to the number. the number that the independent schools council. so this is independent schools themselves telling us this, right. they are marking their own homework and they are telling us there were 3000 less students, signing up for private schools this year than they were last year. to what extent what percentage of that would have already been

dropped out because of the falling pupil numbers? we don't know. now, the other the other argument that you made about, parents choosing not to go to private schools, the only independent studies that we have , both from the uk and the usa, shows us that private schools , shows us that private schools, private schools, are actually incredibly unresponsive , lviv to incredibly unresponsive, lviv to fee increases. and in the last decade, private schools have raised their fees over and over again . again. >> and yet the same parents who think parents should got parents will just keep on paying. so. so are you a governor of. >> i think that i think that parents who make 100 k a year are the top 4% of the post tax. >> that's about 4555. >> that's about 4555. >> 4% of the population of the uk. so for these parents to then come and claim that they are the squeezed middle, i think there is a certain level of delusion going on. let me tell you what's actually happening on the ground, because i'm a governor of an independent school and i

can tell you that already applications are reducing for this current year for september and beyond. >> and i think you're going to see a drop off of 10 to 15, potentially 20. it's already having an impact. we've had inflation and you've got this threat of an additional 20. so you're likely to see 100,000 children going back into the state sector, which is going to add more pressure onto the already hard pressed. so surely we should be doing we should be doing the opposite. we should be easing the pressure on the states. >> you've plugged that number out of thin air. firstly secondly, you don't know. you do not know that this is how they will react. this is not how economics work. this is not how economics work. this is not how economics work. this is not how economics work works is what is not how. this is not how human behaviour works. you cannot say, i'm going to change this thing in the economy and this is how people will react. you do not know that. the other thing i would say is if we found space for 20,000 ukrainian refugees to go into our state schools with no problem, i do not see why we would struggle. so you're quite

happy because especially because for the taxpayer to pick up especially, they will not be picking up anything because as i said , that's 100,000 children said, that's 100,000 children who rose each day, 7 million state school pupil numbers are already dropping. they are already dropping. they are already dropping. they are already dropping . and what you already dropping. and what you will see, what you will see in the next, in the next year or so, is that actually the private schools? they are very in the areas that they exist up and down the country. they are not all going to be concentrated. so >> so do you mind if, if, if private schools, small private schools, because they're not all eton and harrow with loads of money, lots of small. do you care if a good number of them have to close? >> do you know what they spend their extra money, by the way? you think they spend it on bursaries , but it's actually bursaries, but it's actually just 4% of these business. don't what about businesses? >> do you care if these schools close and the teachers are made redundant and they're not going to close? >> do you know what they're going to do? they're going to spend the money that currently the money that they spend on raising their fees, which they have been doing for the last decade, they spend it on

luxurious, unnecessary facilities to put on their leaflets and to show to parents when they're taking them out. >> i'm telling you, i'm seeing the applications, aubrey . the applications, aubrey. already numbers are starting to drop. application numbers are starting to drop. and i guess the question is if you haven't got the money, particularly in the day sector, where actually most parents are paying it out of essentially out of out of earned income, that extra money means that many aspirational parents, it's going to tip them over the edge. i mean, it's just bafic over the edge. i mean, it's just basic mathematics, isn't it? >> i suppose so, but again, we've got to look at the numbers here. i mean, we're talking about 3000 fewer pupils enrolling at at private schools in the last 12 months. it's a sort of drop in the ocean before . yeah. well, but we don't know necessarily that cost of living crisis. >> exactly . >> exactly. >> exactly. >> if the fees are rising, i think they rose by on average 8% last year, which again, the independent schools council was says that's because that's the point at which that's what inflation was running at. i'm already seeing applications. we are down for the next two years, 10 to 15. >> but who's to say what the what the blame for that is that

it is labour's policy that's causing this. >> is it the fact that it's being quoted by parents on the ground? yeah. but i mean, you know, you're getting a sample picture based on who you speak to. i went to a private school as well. i was very lucky to receive a bursary. so i was one of those kids that came from a background that couldn't afford it. but then managed to go. so i appreciate what private schools do and so, you know, the theory is that private schools are elitist and parents can afford anything but but surely the same should apply to universities . should apply to universities. >> they're also charities, by the way. lots of state schools are charities, but universities are charities, but universities are elitist. about 40% of young people go to universities, so surely we should be putting vat on university fees. they're elitist. labour so far says it doesn't want to do that. >> i suspect it thinks that university finances are a mess as it is, and they don't want to do anything that would, make that situation any worse. but this is a plan which, you know, it helps with stability. if labour announces it's going to do this every year, there will be a sort of slow trajectory towards what private schools are bracing for. they don't want to hit universities with some random policy. as soon as they

get into government and scare everyone , interesting. charlie everyone, interesting. charlie universities, they're elitist , universities, they're elitist, so we'll have to put vat on there as well. there's no difference. they're charities . difference. they're charities. but, 4 in 10 young people go to universities. so the majority don't. it's elitist. we've got to put vat on university fees , to put vat on university fees, haven't we, i do think we do. i think there is a fee attached already to university. if you go in, i think if you are a user, you should pay. i'm very happy to. you know, i went to university. i was very happy to. well, very happy to. but, you know, i accepted that you have to pay to go to university, of course there should be bursaries in place for, for people that need the help and support to get the best education, if that's the best education, if that's the route they want to pursue. education. sorry. university isn't always necessarily the right thing or the best thing to do for everybody, but i think just going back to slightly what you were saying, you're absolutely right, richard. you know, the numbers of people applying for private schools are down even before this policy has come in. so it will continue to decrease and that will impact the cost for the taxpayer to fund even more the state sector. so higher taxes for working people, for us as a collective, it's brilliant. >> final thought, stella , so you

>> final thought, stella, so you think it's elitist, you think that people have got as much money as possible? >> no, i don't think any of these things. i said, what i think very carefully, they are the 4. so. >> so if you think that it should be applied on these charities for basically sort of 7 to 18 year olds, what about for university students? again, that's elitist. >> i, i never said i never use that word. i never use that word. and i don't think the same. no, it's completely different. you know why it's completely different? because you don't have a choice, which whether you pay for university or not, all universities have a you have a choice to go to a state school or to go to a private school. so if a parent wants to take their kids out of the private school, there is a perfectly good state school somewhere near them, and they can do that. whereas for university it's not. >> parents are already paying double because they already pay everyone. >> in state schools, everyone is paying >> in state schools, everyone is paying for university is not what everybody's paying for. >> state schools and those who send their children to private schools are paying double. >> you can send your kid to a state school, whereas if you want to go to university, there

is no way of getting around paying is no way of getting around paying for a university fee. >> exactly the same principle. last point, charlie, before we've got to go, because exactly what you were saying earlier, richard, we shouldn't look at this through the prism of whether it's just the eaton's and winchester's where people do have small schools, it's the small schools, those middle income families where people choose to take their middle income. >> middle income? what's middle income? well, top 5. >> top majority of people actually, who pay for top, who pay actually, who pay for top, who pay for their fees out of earned income , middle income. income, middle income. >> we've got to run. >> we've got to run. >> stella. aubrey. charlie, thank you so much. indeed. a spicy start to that, to the show after the break, we'll be getting into another spicy topic about prescribing the weight loss jabs. is it lazy or is it a smart move in the medical world? i'll be speaking to two other health professionals and their experts for their take. don't go anywhere

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michael portillo here on gb news. with me. richard tice. michael is away this week. i'm here taking you through until 1:00. that debate on school fees and also university fees . what's and also university fees. what's the difference? they're all charitable education endeavour. what do you think ? should you be what do you think? should you be putting vat on independent school fees ? and also what about school fees? and also what about university fees? go to gbnews.com forward slash have your say. we'll get to some of those comments later on. now the popularity of the latest sort of weight loss drugs. everyone's getting very excited by this. it's taken britain by storm and we've got demand soaring for these potentially sort of miracle fat blasting jabs. the likes of a zembic and wegovy and the like. and study has shown that not only are the potential benefits beyond weight loss , benefits beyond weight loss, they could also potentially reduce the risk of heart attacks, strokes, heart failure in obese people, or indeed

those. regardless of the amount of weight people might lose . but of weight people might lose. but what are the risks? the potential side effects for anyone considered them? has it really been properly explored ? really been properly explored? should doctors be more prudent when prescribing these drugs ? when prescribing these drugs? or, you know, if people just see them as a quick fix, does it matter and who's going to pay for it? i mean , what about just for it? i mean, what about just having a healthy lifestyle, eat less exercise is a bit more old fashioned common sense. well, i'm delighted to be joined in the studio by doctor peter carter obe , former nhs trust ceo carter obe, former nhs trust ceo and former ceo of the royal college of nursing, and tam fry on my left, the chair of the national obesity forum. gentlemen very good to see you both. this is exciting, tam. i mean, it seems to be like a sort of, a wonder opportunity, a miracle drug. is it just that you can just eat as much as you like? take a jab once a week and everything's fine. what's going on here?

>> well, you've mentioned a lot of things. it is very exciting. and the really exciting thing about it is that it has an effect not only on weight and you mentioned some of the things that it you mentioned some of the things thatitis you mentioned some of the things that it is hoped that it will help particularly hard. there's a lot of literature coming out now that it will actually mitigate heart problems. and thatis mitigate heart problems. and that is hugely, hugely important. the problem with the drug at the moment is you can't get it. you can get it on the black market, you can get it on the internet because there is no regulation which stops it being done. and the thing that bothers me most is that a lot of people are using it simply because they want to get rid of a few pounds. you will remember maybe when it first came out, lots of pictures. the lady called kim kardashian, who wolf . kardashian, who wolf. >> and it's incredibly expensive, isn't it? i mean, i've just heard someone who's taking it once a week and it's costing them like £300 a week, so it's hard to get hold of and it's expensive. and then just let's look, doctor peter carter

at the risks , the potential side at the risks, the potential side effects. to what extent is this relatively very recent research ? relatively very recent research? can we can we really trust it relative to the side effects that one hears about? >> well, richard, i think we need to be cautious , i agree need to be cautious, i agree with everything that tam has said . said. >> look, we are in desperate state here across the four countries of the uk. >> we have some of the highest obesity rates of developed countries. 24% of adults are either overweight or obese, and 23% of our children are the nhs. >> excuse the metaphor, but it's collapsed under the weight of the obesity crisis. so something needs to be done. and what i think is so sad about this state of affairs is that people are looking to a medical solution rather than getting upstream , rather than getting upstream, and let's take more personal responsibility and say, let's cut down the carbohydrates,

let's take a bit more exercise, because there is a danger that we're saying to children, don't worry about what you eat . don't worry about what you eat. don't worry about what you eat. don't worry about what you eat. don't worry about a sedentary lifestyle, there's going to be a drug that will take all this away . and whilst i'm not away. and whilst i'm not a pharmacologist, we don't know what the very long term effects of these drugs will be over five, ten, 15 years. >> because this research is very new, isn't it? it's very new. i mean, how old are these? these yougov's as mps? >> it's very, very recent . and >> it's very, very recent. and look, i have every sympathy for people who have got a metabolic difficulty and are significantly overweight. i mean, it is difficult. i've got sympathy for gp's who have people that come into their surgery and people are five, eight, nine stone overweight. this is not uncommon nowadays and something needs to be done about it. but i would prefer if we could get upstream and prevent the problem in the first instance, of course. >> so those people who are really struggling , who are very

really struggling, who are very overweight, it could be useful to get their weight down. absolutely. but it can't be a long term solution. you can't sort of get addicted to this and be just say, well, i'm going to be just say, well, i'm going to be on this essentially forever. can you? >> well, we don't know how long it would be useful to be on the drug. at the moment, it's licensed for two years and it's licensed for two years and it's licensed only for very overweight people. it's not licensed there. about two thirds of the population will not be able to benefit from this very powerful drug . and what bothers powerful drug. and what bothers me tremendously is that they must know that if they take the drug, they have to be under medical supervision, because that's the whole point, is it needs to be controlled. >> the cost of it potentially . i >> the cost of it potentially. i mean, who should pay? should the taxpayer pay for other people being overweight? or should you actually say, well, i mean, that's that's a huge debate. >> well, this is the conundrum. i mean, having said what i've said, the fact is that there's an economic benefit that if you can prevent people from having strokes, heart attacks and a

whole range of other conditions, not to mention depression, a lot of people that are significantly overweight are psychologically distressed. there is an economic argument that says if you invest in this, you will save in other areas, but that sort of lets you off your personal responsibility argument. well, that's the problem. and i fear that this could be another huge burden on the nhs that essentially it can't afford. >> it's got so many other things at the moment. >> we have a system whereby everything is free at the point of delivery . what has yet to be of delivery. what has yet to be sort out is how the british government is going to do a deal with the novo nordisk, that is the danish company which manufactures this . can they get manufactures this. can they get the price down far enough to make it viable? i very much doubt it. but give them some support . support. >> and this research, i think it's very recent . and are there it's very recent. and are there any ethics involved in in doctors who are promoting this

who've been paid by the pharmaceutical company that, that whose drug it is? i mean , that whose drug it is? i mean, are we are we clear enough about the potential for conflicts of interest? >> well, doctors understand their ethical responsibilities , their ethical responsibilities, and they've got to be very careful about being in you know, the payroll of pharmaceutical companies and prescribing, you know, as a financial incentive . know, as a financial incentive. just to be clear, i actually think the overwhelming number of doctors in this country are highly ethical, and they understand it. i hope so, yeah, but but if you're a gp and someone is coming to you and they're massively overweight , they're massively overweight, you've got to say, well, there is a drug that's available, i feel ethically obliged to prescribe it, even though i wish you would have taken more control and not got into this state in the first place. fascinating debate, gentlemen. >> thank you very much indeed for that. and my question to you folks at home is, well, are you involved? are you taking or trying to take this drug? but actually, who should pay for it? should the nhs pay or should the

individual pay? it is a great, great debate. we'll take your views. gb news. com your forward slash your say now , also coming slash your say now, also coming up we're going to be getting into the great cycle debate about should they face the same penalties as motorists, particularly when it comes to fatality is rather like you have sort of dangerous driving. we've got the lawyer, nick freeman, known as mr loophole and also britain's most hated cyclist, dave cherry will be joining me . dave cherry will be joining me. don't go anywhere. it's portillo on sunday on

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those. keep them coming. helen says about the obesity drug and the potential for that. well, just eat healthy food. exercise, weight will come down. the diabetes risk will fall. heart attack risk will fall as well. why take a drug when you don't know what it's going to do? what might be the side effects in the future? i think helen's bang on the money there and as peter said, actually a bit of individual responsibility. and who who should pay? i mean, the nhs is struggling already. do we really want to add another huge burden of cost on it, on the private school debate? well, that has got people going. janice says. what's wrong with private schools? we've got private schools? we've got private health care . i mean, a private health care. i mean, a labour going to put vat on private health care. do you know, i think they might actually they're not telling anybody, but i think they might . anybody, but i think they might. are they going to do away with that? janice says. louise says private schools are the envy of the world, which they are. and yet, once again, labour is set to destroy a great british institution . jane to destroy a great british institution .jane says to destroy a great british institution . jane says we to destroy a great british institution .jane says we need institution. jane says we need more affordable private schools. isend more affordable private schools. i send my daughter to private school. it was money well spent and her monthly salary paid for

her schooling and travelling costs. the only choice of mainstream school where she was was one of the worst schools in the country , and that was under the country, and that was under a labour government. well keep me those thoughts coming in and we'll get back to them on the website gbnews.com forward slash your say and this may get people going as well. the great cyclist debate because should cyclists face the same penalties as as motorists particularly causing death by serious or indeed by serious injury by dangerous or careless cycling? it's set to become an offence. the government's agreed to a change in the law this week. just gone. and under this change, dangerous cyclists could face up to 14 years, 14 years in prison. well, currently you see, cyclists are not subject to the same rules as motorists and it drives you mad. you're sitting there at the front of a traffic queue, the lights are red and the cyclist just goes straight on through. because apparently the road is.

legislation only applies to mechanically propelled vehicles. what about e—bikes, for heaven's sake? the new law is following a campaign by former tory leader iain duncan smith, who says that cyclists should be accountable for their reckless behaviour. so what do we think to this? well, joining me now is the lawyer nick freeman, known as mr loophole, and dave sherry, who's been described possibly slightly harshly, as britain's most hated cyclist. gentlemen, a very good morning to you. thanks for joining me, nick, this what's your view on this? i mean, surely if you're a road user , surely if you're a road user, cyclists, motorists, e cyclists , cyclists, motorists, e cyclists, you should abide by the same rules, shouldn't you? >> well, we should we should all have the same rules apply to us. absolutely so when you talk about red lights, actually, there is a law in place that prohibits cyclists from going on through red lights, cycling on the pavement. but actually, the big problem is you have a bike that goes through a red light. but who is it? you've got no means of identifying it. so my

view is, that we should have an identification system, a small registration plate on a bike or a registered tabard. so we have exactly the same means of detecting people who break the law, as we do for motor vehicles, the system in place. and i do welcome the government's change in plan to bnngin government's change in plan to bring in laws to make cyclists accountable. if you make people accountable. if you make people accountable , they tend to cycle accountable, they tend to cycle more responsibly. and it is a small minority who cycle dangerously as it is indeed, with with car drivers. but when they do that, you know, if they injure someone or or kill someone, they need to be held accountable. we don't want to be prosecuting people under the, offences against the person act 1861, which was designed for horses and carriages. when the maximum sentences . maximum sentences. >> so you would you would actually have some form of registration plate so that everybody is treated equally, and look the law applies to everyone. absolutely. so, so dave, what's wrong with that? i mean, surely we're all equal under the law . there shouldn't

under the law. there shouldn't be any difference. and if you cycle irresponsibly, recklessly, then people's lives could be endangered . endangered. >> yeah, i totally agree, we all road users, we all share a duty and responsibility for each another one safety, but what needs to be brought in account is majority of deaths are caused by vehicles, not cyclists. they're very negligible . you they're very negligible. you know, it's based on probabilities. know, it's based on probabilities . and, you know, probabilities. and, you know, the way i've got to say it is, is what's going to cause more harm. a vehicle or a cyclist . harm. a vehicle or a cyclist. but at the end day, we all got to be brought to account. we all road users and we all fall within the law. but at the moment, as nick would say , moment, as nick would say, cyclists do not fall within the road traffic act. so >> so that's quite solvable. and dave, would, would you go as far as nick and have registration plates on the back of bicycles? some form of insurance as well. some form of insurance as well. so that again, everybody is treated equally well? >> i've had various discussions with nick about this in the past andifs with nick about this in the past and it's never come to fruition . and it's never come to fruition. it's basically politicians do

all the talking, but no walking. i don't think they've got the gumption, you know what i mean ? gumption, you know what i mean? >> oh yeah. absolutely. i spend my life talking about it, but it is a serious point, isn't it? actually that too often now. and cycling is a great thing for exercise and things, but there are more and more cyclists that just jump red lights . just jump red lights. >> no one's perfect, but at the end of the day, you've got the prima donnas. well, yeah, the drivers lights . drivers lights. >> just ask nick and nick should we should cyclists have to insure themselves as well? >> absolutely. exactly the same law. you imagine taking registration plates off motor vehicles. how will people drive, what? having a means of identification ensures and accountability. and that ensures responsible party. and exactly the same thought process applies to cycles as well. so, you know, once you say to someone, look, you go through that red light, you go through that red light, you cycle on the pavement. we are going to trace you. there's are going to trace you. there's a system in place, you'll at least be fined. you may be disqualified if you accumulate

enough penalty points. they're going to think twice about it. and i'm quite confident. yeah >> and does that apply to speeding dave i mean you know quite often now you're driving along at 20 miles an hour thinking this is a bit slow in a, in a big wide road and a cyclist come past you and out at about 30 or 40. >> well, i'll give him kudos to that because i can manage about 20. but if they're on a legally modified by accident. you know what i mean. at the end of the day, you're not going to stop these vehicles who are avoiding their insurance with dodgy number plates. you know, it goes on, yeah. >> but i mean, we're not encouraging breaking the law. what we're really just saying is, actually, we all need to be equal under the law. and of course, cyclists are an increasing , course, cyclists are an increasing, increasing percentage of the use of the road at the front of traffic lights, lots of cycle lanes, etc. it's not unreasonable , is etc. it's not unreasonable, is it, nick? >> no, absolutely. we need speed limits , it's ironical, isn't it? limits, it's ironical, isn't it? you've got, you know, pedestrians, number one, in the order of priority for vulnerability, then you've got cyclists and cyclists are, you

know, perversely not subject to speed limits. you have cars going at, say, 20 miles an hour in london. you know how it is. i'm going to be joining them this afternoon, and you're undertaken and overtaken by cyclists, who are invariably travelling very close to you and, you know, they're supposed to be for motorists. if you're ever taking a bicycle, it's at least 1.5m and they're a foot away from you. so they're thwarting the protection that we've thought we've sort of sought to put in place to look after them. the whole system is archaic. modernising the system. >> nick, final thought from both of you. yes or no e—scooters? dave should they be allowed? keep them or bin them? yes or no ? >> belem mate, 7 >> belem mate, to be honest with you , bikes have been around for you, bikes have been around for many years and they are the safest. they're the safest and e—scooters keeper bin. >> yeah. no you keep them but make them identify viable. they have a place. we need an infrastructure and they do serve

a purpose. but it needs to be different to the way it is at the moment. >> gentlemen, i really appreciate your thoughts. absolutely fantastic . a sense of absolutely fantastic. a sense of unanimity there that actually cyclists need to be treated equally under the law. and lots of you have been sending in your thoughts as well. len says cyclists should pay insurance, road tax, says len. and also have have no plates. well, i think you're going to have that . think you're going to have that. maybe you need the plates as well. nick says all cyclists using the public roads must be dictated to by the highway code, just like all motorised vehicles. if there's a cycle lane, then they must use it . lane, then they must use it. absolutely. and if you use the road cyclist or not? road tax registration plates. mott and photo id. crikey, o'reilly. let me keep those thoughts coming. gbnews.com/yoursay say still ahead after the break, we're going to have the stage to stefan kyriazis to his latest escapades in the auditorium of

welcome back to gb news sunday with richard tice. well, it's now the time for the section on the arts and culture. and as always, stefan kyriazis is helping us talk through this. now, stefan, what's going on in the world of theatre? it's always a busy time . it's busy. always a busy time. it's busy. >> it's super modern. >> it's super modern. >> but we're also going a bit retro this week. so first up, we've got retro fawlty towers. i love fawlty towers, john cleese has willed this one back out. >> we've got a little clip here just to get people in the mood. >> hello, fawlty towers , i >> hello, fawlty towers, i cannot wait to work with john cleese. he is wickedly funny. he is a rascal. he is incredibly sharp and witty. absolutely everyone should come and see this . it is everyone should come and see this. it is classic. it's iconic. >> i thought it was funny.

>> i thought it was funny. >> anyway . >> anyway. >> anyway. >> that looks fun. i mean, i just love fawlty towers. how much does it actually look? i mean, it looks so much like the real thing. you come in, the set looks exactly like the set. >> the music starts, everybody laughs. there's so much familiarity . but laughs. there's so much familiarity. but i laughs. there's so much familiarity . but i would say familiarity. but i would say there was a kid behind me who was 11 or 12, cackled all the way through, and obviously hasn't seen any show. he said he'd seen some clips on youtube, but so it's a blend of 2 or 3 episodes. >> yes. >> yes. >> so it's hotel inspectors where he gets confused, thinking the wrong person is inspecting his hotel , the wrong person is inspecting his hotel, communication problems, very stroppy guests. the posh lady with the hearing aid that she selectively turns on and off. and then, of course, the germans and even even when they say, oh, we've got some germans checking in later, the whole audience cracks up because we know what's coming. absolutely brilliant. the people you saw there, adam jackson smith, is fantastic as basil and that was anna—jane casey as sybil. and she does the whole bafil sybil. and she does the whole basil and all of that. it's all everything you want. there's a

sublime scene with the moose head and the old boy the major, which we think he thinks this is on for how long. this is on at the apollo theatre until september the 28th. it is hilarious . september the 28th. it is hilarious. it stands up today as much as always. >> tickets. brilliant. what else have you got on? >> we have a very different change of tone now. we've got people, places and things. this was from 2015 with denise gough, which made her name . it's been which made her name. it's been brought back. she's still in it. a few little updates. we've got a little clip here as well to get you in the very different mood. >> what a thing it is to be alive . i've alive. i've >> to love and to be loved and. >> to love and to be loved and. >> how do you think this story ends ? well, our story. your ends? well, our story. your life. if you don't prioritise getting well. i'm not sick .

getting well. i'm not sick. >> that looks stunning. >> that looks stunning. >> it's completely amazing. it's about an addict. as you can see, she's been forced into rehab because she can't get any work, so she needs to be signed off. she doesn't believe in therapy. she doesn't believe in therapy. she doesn't believe in surrendering to any kind of higher power. surrendering to any kind of higher power . she doesn't higher power. she doesn't believe in herself. the staging. it's a tour de force from denise there. i don't know if you could see at the back there very early on, they pulled down the back of the stage. there's another three rows of people sat there, which actually you do find yourself watching them half the time, but it's very modern. those white tiled walls, people come through them, including almost through, like a little doggy door. and there's a bit when she's having a massive breakdown where people start coming up through the bed and they've all versions of her dressed the same, same wig. the strobe lights are going, so you get inside this woman's head, i'm i'm tempted as well. >> and that's on, that's on thrilling and brilliant. >> that's on at the trafalgar studio until august the 10th. and i have to say, very impressive . it's a definite must see. >> absolutely. get your diaries out, folks . get to see these out, folks. get to see these two. what else have we got then,

stefan? well, for once, getting we have to get a bit out of london. >> so we're heading up to nottingham to the playhouse. and this is a brand new play called punch. this is a brand new play called punch . again, we've got a little punch. again, we've got a little clip to tease people . clip to tease people. with. yeah. look at all those five stars and four stars. everybody's raving about already. it's. james graham is the playwright. he wrote dear england, which was the recent gareth southgate football drama, which is with joseph fiennes, which is with joseph fiennes, which is with joseph fiennes, which is now being made into a tv show. this is a true story again, a hard story. yeah. about jacob dunn, who was a young man, council estate, drug user, drunk, crazy night out with his friends, got into a fight, punched out a young paramedic who fell and hit his head and died and he went to prison. but this is about restorative justice. so the idea is about he

then has to go . the parents then has to go. the parents asked to meet him, and it's about forgiveness , reparation, about forgiveness, reparation, and also about what you can become if you get a chance. and he has gone to on he got a first in criminal law and he now speaks all around the country. so it's a, it's a it's a hard watch , but it's a beautiful, watch, but it's a beautiful, beautiful true story and lovely that it's a regional theatre. >> you've got one down in bath i think powerhouse. >> yes we've got that one's on at the nottingham playhouse until may the 25th. we would imagine it's going to tour or come to the uk, to london, then up out in bath we've got deep blue sea, which is the old terence rattigan 1952 play about a posh lady that leaves her really lovely husband for a chap that she's obsessed with who actually doesn't ultimately love her back in the same way. the main pull of that one is tamsin greig. it's getting some good reviews. that's on at the bath ustinov studio, which is a tiny little space until june the 1st. we would hope again that that one might tour. then we've also got withnail and i, the old famous film, 1987, the richard e grant crazy film. two hopeless,

impoverished actors. they getaway to the lake district for a really crazy spaced out weekend. robert sheehan and adonis siddique have taken the roles. this one's up at birmingham rep. it's got it's getting mixed reviews. okay. it's very well staged. the set designs and everything are brilliant. no agreement on what people think of the two main actors or if the show still lands again, nostalgia. it's amusing, but there's mixed reports on that one, interesting. >> and regional theatres , i >> and regional theatres, i mean, what are audiences difficult economic time. our audience is big enough . are they audience is big enough. are they surviving? yes. >> i'm from southampton, which has got massive old barn, the mayflower down there , and i went mayflower down there, and i went down a couple of times to see shows a bit nervous, thinking, oh, please don't be embarrassing. >> they're okay. they're holding up. >> yeah, especially for a dance show that i love. and i thought no one will hear of it packed. and i think in outside london you get everybody going. >> fantastic. stefan kyriazis, thank you very much indeed. as even thank you very much indeed. as ever, a brilliant review. you're watching me. richard tice gb

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of sunday with me. richard tice michael is away this week, and i hope you'll be with me for the next hour. and then after that, of course, we've got darren grimes. we're going to be delving into a variety of things now. the football season is coming to an end. premier league clubs looking, they're turning their attention to the whole debate about var video assistant referees and voting on whether to keep it, amend it or scrap it. i'll be joined by a former premier league referee for his thoughts and also charlie rowley is still with me in the studio. also a qualified referee. bridgerton, the netflix drama that's returned for a third season and some extraordinary things there we'll be looking at behaviours. manners maketh man and the elements, the echelons of the highest society , of the highest society, particularly around courtship and marriage . particularly around courtship and marriage. but particularly around courtship and marriage . but just how much and marriage. but just how much do we really want these traditions? in today's busy manic world? perhaps we should be reintroducing some of these back into society. i'll be

discussing that and overall with etiquette and manners expert laura windsor. and what did you think to that portrait ? oh think to that portrait? oh goodness me, king charles the third, his first post—coronation portrait unveiled by buckingham palace. was it? the carpet was it the curtains? goodness me. i look forward to your views on that. look forward to your views on that . we'll be discussing that that. we'll be discussing that with the author and historian alexander larman. we'll be discussing that. and finally , of discussing that. and finally, of course, it's britain's favourite foods sandwiches and doughnuts. we'll be celebrating that towards the end of the show. but first up, we've got the news headunes first up, we've got the news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> richard. thank you. good afternoon. it's 12:01. >> richard. thank you. good afternoon. it's12:01. i'm sofia afternoon. it's 12:01. i'm sofia wenzler in the gb newsroom. chancellor jeremy wenzler in the gb newsroom. chancellorjeremy hunt has vowed chancellor jeremy hunt has vowed to compensate victims for the infected blood scandal with a

£10 billion package. hunt claimed it was part of fulfilling a promise he made to a constituent who died after contracting hepatitis c. the scandal has been the subject of the biggest ever public inquiry in the uk , after tens of in the uk, after tens of thousands of people were infected with contaminated blood and blood products . infected with contaminated blood and blood products. nhs infected with contaminated blood and blood products . nhs staff and blood products. nhs staff will be told to work evenings and weekends under labour's plans to slash waiting lists . plans to slash waiting lists. hospitals will be asked to share staff and pool waiting lists as part of a £1.1 billion drive to provide an extra 40,000 appointments a week. shadow health secretary wes streeting also promised to protect whistleblowers and cut the nhs's reliance on migrant workers , reliance on migrant workers, £1.1 billion paid for by clamping down on tax avoidance, and also closing non—dom loopholes as well. >> and that will enable us to put £1.1 billion directly into the pockets of nhs staff to deliver those extra appointments. the evenings and

weekends, using an approach that's been tried and tested at the london hospital. i can literally see out of my office window in westminster and therefore an approach we need to see available to patients right across the country, not just in london. and that does come with a cost. and that's why we've made this commitment as our first step on the journey to busting the tory backlog and cutting nhs waiting lists . cutting nhs waiting lists. >> in other news, the prime minister is set to warn the pubuc minister is set to warn the public about the risks of artificial intelligence. rishi sunak will tell a major tech summit in south korea that managing the risks of ai is one of the most profound responsibilities faced by world leaders. the prime minister will be a virtual co—host remotely from london, alongside south korean president yoon suk yeol . korean president yoon suk yeol. an israeli war cabinet minister has threatened to resign if prime minister benjamin netanyahu doesn't adopt a new plan for gaza. benny gantz has set an 8th of june deadline for a plan to achieve six strategic

goals, including the end of hamas rule in gaza. it comes after the israeli military says it recovered another body yesterday after the bodies of three israeli hostages were recovered from gaza on friday. israel says it believes 100 hostages are still alive there. defence secretary grant shapps told gb news he's pleased benny gantz has spoken out . gantz has spoken out. >> it is vital, vital that for israel, of course, for palestinians that there is a route in which they end up with a government which is which is not a bunch of terrorists, which is what hamas are, but people who can properly represent them . who can properly represent them. and israel needs to set that out because there could be if you put all of those pieces into place and combine it with normalisation of relations with saudi arabia, for example, a better future for that region, including for israel. so, yes, i do think it's time to set that out. and we have been urging this step to take place now. >> northern ireland secretary

chris heaton—harris has said he will not be standing at the next general election. the tory mp posted on x saying he had been. it had been an honour and a privilege to serve. mr heaton—harris has been the northern ireland secretary since september 2022. he announced his intention in a letter to prime minister rishi sunak , and minister rishi sunak, and history was made in saudi arabia last night as oleksandr usyk became boxing's undisputed world heavyweight champion after defeating tyson fury . the defeating tyson fury. the ukrainian won a split decision following the fight in riyadh. fury was nearly knocked out in the ninth round but disputed the loss afterwards, seeming to suggest usyk only won a sympathy vote because of the war in ukraine. in response, usyk said that he was ready for a rematch. speaking after the fight. tyson fury said it was very close. >> it was a close fight, you know, i believed, i thought i did enough, but, you know, i'm not a judge. i can't judge a fight while i'm boxing it, you know, if they would have said to

me in the last round or whatever, you're down, go out and try and finish him. i would have done that. but we believe everyone in the corner believed we were up. you know, also had to do was just keep boxing and doing what i was doing. and, you know, i thought he was getting it. but it was what it was. i'm not going to cry about spilled milk. i've had plenty of victories and i've gave god the glory. i've had this one loss and a close, close fight, you know, with a good, good man like. >> and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to richard i >> welcome back to sunday with me, richard tice. thank you, sophia, for those headlines. well we're at the end of another football season. some of you might be sad. some of you might be delighted. but big debate .

be delighted. but big debate. another massive row about var, wolverhampton wanderers have sparked a real conversation about around the footballing world when it emerged they've actually instigated a vote about the future of the video assistant referees in the in the premier league. now. it was first introduced just unbelievable five years ago, at the start of the 20 1920 season, to help refs make decisions and higher quality decisions. the big calls, penalties is determining if goals have been scored fairly . did it go over scored fairly. did it go over the line or not? but some teams have been complaining it's still got too many problems. harry maguire , the first prominent maguire, the first prominent player in the premier league to add his voice into the debate for those calling for it to be scrapped, although he says he remains an advocate for his use in determining offsides. well, are you going to use it or you're not? frankly but to discuss whether we should be binning it , discuss whether we should be binning it, show it the red card, or maybe keep it and amend

it? i'm delighted to be joined down the line by mark halsey. of course, famous former league premier league referee and arsenal fan. i suppose someone has to be. and former special adviser michael gove, special adviser michael gove, special adviser to michael gove charlie rowley, who's he's also actually trained as a football ref until he was about in his early 20s. gentlemen, thank you for joining me to you, mark. first, what's going on here? why has this been such a horlicks in football ? such a horlicks in football? >> listen, i think since its implementation into the premier league, it hasn't gone it hasn't gone well at all, and listen, wolves are quite right. and to bnng wolves are quite right. and to bring it to the forefront because obviously the inconsistency that we've seen week in, week out, year in, year out. and listen, what we've got to remember is var is going nowhere. it works well when uefa competitions in fifa competitions in fifa competitions it works extremely well because there's the leadership and there's the direction and that in the inconsistency we keep saying it comes down to the training , the comes down to the training, the education of our officials. it's

not var, it's the personnel that's operating it . and it's it that's operating it. and it's it comes with the leadership and direction. and at the present, they're just doing what they want to do, and we're seeing the inconsistencies. we're seeing one week, a penalty given for a challenge , recommended review challenge, recommended review the next week, the same incidents not being reviewed , incidents not being reviewed, handball. handball is all over the place. and the problem we have with the training, education, they're the referees . education, they're the referees. they don't know what natural is unnatural in certain phases of play unnatural in certain phases of play . so it's we need the play. so it's we need the correct leadership and direction and, and the training education from the management, the back, the back , the backroom team. not the back, the backroom team. not only that, when var first come into the premier league, we didn't follow the ifab protocol, so we allowed the referee , the so we allowed the referee, the var official, to make all the big decisions. that is totally against the var protocol . and against the var protocol. and that's what mike riley brought in when he when it first came into the premier league. so we're just seeing things all over the place and what wolves have done , they want it brought

have done, they want it brought to the forefront. they want to see massive, massive improvements and you're spot on. the ifab protocol hasn't been amended since it first came into fruition, so we need to look at that as well. we need to amend the ifab protocol . the ifab protocol. >> so in a sense, what you're really saying is the debate is about scrapping it in order to, to try and improve it. and charlie rowley, i mean, you you've been a ref yourself and you're obviously a big, passionate football fan. and what's the argument for keeping it as is ? it as is? >> well, that's absolutely right, richard. >> i have to say, just at the start, i grew up watching mark as a referee alongside his colleagues such as paul grey and paul and rob styles and, you know, mark, people like mark inspired me to actually become a referee. so i'm absolutely thrilled to be here chatting with him today and you, of course. but, i think look , mark course. but, i think look, mark is absolutely right. i think, you know, there are so many complications with var, but it's

i think more often than not, the time that it takes to get a decision. you see, if you see in tennis with hawk—eye, if you see it in cricket, you get these decisions quite quickly. i think, you know, leaving fans for minutes on end when there are 2 or 3 people in a back office room somewhere that you can't see. fussing over a decision where you're debating now whether it's a toenail over the line or a fingernail if you're offside or onside . you you're offside or onside. you know, the fans want quick decisions. they want the right decisions. they want the right decisions. so i think when it comes to the most important things, like a penalty, if it's been an obvious miss, you know, you might want to just have a quick word to the ref on the pitch and say, look, i think you might need to look at that again to make sure that the big calls that you get right, but otherwise the game should be able to play. >> actually other sports they do get it right. i mean, whether it's, whether it's doctors with cricket, whether it's with rugby union, as you touched on with tennis. and i mean, you can, you know, why can't why can't the premier league get it right like those sports, mark. well you're spot on. >> listen, the fans are just as important as anybody else in football. they are important. you know, as well as the players, the coaches, the managers . and remember the

managers. and remember the product we've got the premier league is fantastic. now he's absolutely spot on about the timing. now if you're if you're taking a minute two minutes three minutes four minutes, you can find whatever you want to find in that instant. if you want to find a penalty, you'll find a penalty . if you want to find a penalty. if you want to find a penalty. if you want to find an offside, you'll find an offside. so we've got to look at the timescale. bring the timescale right down. if you can't see a clear and obvious error after 25 seconds, then it's not. you play on, you go with the on field decision. interesting and we need we need to hear the conversation from the referee and the var so the fans can hear everything that's going on. >> yeah. because obviously the fans are very important as well. but for example in cricket, charlie the teams have got you've got a couple of reviews per innings haven't you. so you could make it actually up to a side that feels they've been wronged by the ref's decision, and they have a maximum of, let's say , two reviews in a 90 let's say, two reviews in a 90 minute game. and would that help? would that be part of the sort of the tactics of a captain , i'm not sure that would be

helpful because i think within 90 minutes, you know, football is so intense. >> it's very contact. it's a contact sport. you know, it's, i think if you have if you used up those reviews and then at the very end of the match, you know, you might have a clear and obvious penalty that should be awarded or a goal that should be awarded or a goal that should be awarded that's ruled offside or ruled. not to be. and then you don't have those reviews. and actually that decision is wrong . actually that decision is wrong. then of course, that cost team points, that cost. >> that's part of the tactics of it. i mean, it's very exciting in cricket. >> it is. >> it is. >> what do you think about that, mark? i mean, i'm on to a winner here. we should have a maximum number of views, shouldn't we? >> no, we want to get like the nfl with the flags being thrown down. but i think the, i think the fifa are looking into that situation. but for me, i think we just got to leave it as it is, because if we see in the in jolly seems in the champions league, we don't see a problem in the champions league because roberto rosetti is clear leadership and direction . he's leadership and direction. he's trained. education is bang on. we're not seeing that in the premier league in the pgmol because we've got we haven't got

the right people. the backroom team in place to, to, to to, bnng team in place to, to, to to, bring it to where we want to. >> that's extraordinary. so basically it's just a, a competence and personnel issue within one, within one, one league. i mean one division. that's that should be the easiest thing to sort out. well yeah, it it should be. >> but obviously it's not at the present. as i said , it's i mean present. as i said, it's i mean howard's got a mass, howard webb's got a massive job on his hands. and you know, i'm sure if he's given the freedom to do it, he's given the freedom to do it, he's inherited the backroom team that he's got from from mike riley , so i think howard's got riley, so i think howard's got to look at it this summer and bnng to look at it this summer and bring them all in for training. don't don't give them the summer off. we've got to get this right. we have to get it right because it is spoiling our game. it really is spoiling the premier league. >> charlie finally , is that your >> charlie finally, is that your sense that it is spoiling it? it's sort of ruining it for everybody in this in in the premier league. >> i think that's absolutely right. >> and i think look it is just about the big decisions. so if mark i think is absolutely right, get everybody in over the summer. make sure that everybody

knows the clear rules of the game, what they should be ruling in, what they should be ruling out, not fussing over maybe the small things. and if you can't make a decision within a certain amount of time, use var to help. but if you can't make a decision quickly, stick with what the ref says. it's a human game. you can allow for human error, but when it comes to the big calls, you've got to get those right. but you've got to have everybody signed up onto the same page. >> thank you charlie, just finally, mark, are wolves sort of, are they stirring the pot helpfully, or actually, is this unhelpful mischief making? >> yeah. no, listen, look, i mean, there's been many clubs that's been aggrieved this season with some poor decision making. nottingham forest, they're one i mean arsenal, they've all they've all had at liverpool. they've all had decisions wrong. go against them wrongly incorrectly . so i think wrongly incorrectly. so i think what they're doing is they want to see a vast improvement in var. that's what i think they've lost is this letter for i as a liverpool fan? >> i agree absolutely entirely. gentlemen, mark and malcolm , gentlemen, mark and malcolm, thank you so much. indeed. mark and charlie. sorry, for your thoughts on that on the var debate. what are your thoughts? what do you think? should we

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back. bridgerton season three has dropped on netflix this week. months of anticipation worldwide fans looking forward to it. just take a look at this trailer. >> lord dabbling he is eager to take a wife this season. >> you look especially beautiful tonight, miss featherington . tonight, miss featherington. >> you have done very well, penelope. what more could you want ? want? >> do you believe the best foundation for love is friendship ? friendship? >> it is rare, but you must follow your heart . follow your heart. >> looks amazing. well, the netflix series bridgerton, of course. it's paid homage to many of the traditions, the behaviours that were adhered to the 19th century, the courtship , the 19th century, the courtship, the 19th century, the courtship, the marriage, the high society. but how much these traditions have carried on into modern day times ? good question. well, times? good question. well, joining me to discuss this is the etiquette and manners expert, laura windsor. laura, thank you very much indeed.

great to see you in the studio. i watched the first season of british. i mean, it was amazing. i've got a bit of catching up to do, but, talk me through your your thoughts on this. this is all about sort of, you know, latin high society . latin high society. >> that's right. you forgot about the scandal. there was a lot of scandal in those days as well. >> who could forget the scandal? there's always scandal. >> well, i was on the set about it two years ago. it took quite a long time in the making. and i was actually dressed as in regency era costume without the corset , mind regency era costume without the corset, mind you. regency era costume without the corset , mind you. thankfully, corset, mind you. thankfully, thankfully, however, the corset was did help a lot with deportment because there's very little room for slouchy shoulders and nothing worse than slouching sort of sit up straight. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> they were obsessed with poise and deportment, and that's what itaught and deportment, and that's what i taught the people on the set. and i always find it very funny whenever i talk about, you know, proper posture , everyone sort of proper posture, everyone sort of shifts, shifts and shuffles in their in their seats and all.

everyone starts are sitting upright. posture is really, really important because it's basically body language. it says so much about you. it speaks volumes and it shows your self esteem, your self confidence and ihave esteem, your self confidence and i have bought goodness me, we've got a stick in the studio and a book. got a stick in the studio and a book . so got a stick in the studio and a book. so you're going to demonstrate i am and i want you to follow me as well. really. >> yes. right, right. >> yes. right, right. >> the pole. don't get excited . >> the pole. don't get excited. we're not going to be doing any dancing at all. all it's we're just going to where this is going, folks. we're just going to put it behind our back. and what this does is that it pushes your shoulders back. right. and i want to know whether you find it comfortable doing that. right. interested about your normal . normal. >> well, my normal posture. >> well, my normal posture. >> yes. how does that feel . >> yes. how does that feel. >> yes. how does that feel. >> does it strain shoulders. >> does it strain shoulders. >> don't normally walk around with a stick . with a stick. >> no. but it helps doesn't it? it helps lifts your ribcage so that you breathe easily. and being a presenter, that's very

important , being a presenter, that's very important, isn't it? and that's it . and you look great posture. yes. >> right. >> right. >> so there we go. >> so there we go. >> one of how to use a pole folks. >> and what's the book. >> and what's the book. >> what are we going to do with the book. >> well most people say that it's very old fashioned putting a book on your head. oh, no, we're going to be walking with a book on our head. but this actually is really important. it's really practical because your chin basically should be parallel to the ground. right? and everything has concentrate folks at home, if you look at me, everything has to be aligned. shoulders back, no . no aligned. shoulders back, no. no neck sort of sunk in your. so head up . and a lot of people head up. and a lot of people have that when they when they look at the computer all the time. okay. yes. so ribcage out and up , time. okay. yes. so ribcage out and up, pretend you have a piece of string pulling you right. >> that's a very good piece of advice. a piece of string pulling you up. yes. and the book on the head. that's right. >> so you look taller and slimmer , which we all want to. slimmer, which we all want to. >> we all want to look that. absolutely. >> okay. so you do that right.

and basically gosh, i hope it doesn't fall. i don't know what kind of head shape you have, but this is basically me. >> i won't answer that. some people might answer it for me. >> off you go. >> off you go. >> don't go too far. right? >> don't go too far. right? >> right. head on. think elegance. think ginger rogers and fred astaire. >> fred astaire and just sort of glide and off it comes. >> goodness. yeah, i think your hair is very soft and. oh, well, that's very kind , elisa. that's very kind, elisa. >> i'm lucky enough still to have some hair, so , so and this have some hair, so, so and this is obviously this is sort of all the lessons we get from the, you know, from that, the early 18th century bridgerton and the sort of the manners there. and what was this? this, it came from sort of the, the ton, didn't it? the sort of the high society. >> yes, indeed. there are many, parts of the manners that are still relevant today, as we did posture and poise. but i want to talk to you a little bit about how different it is today. for example , the overt displays of example, the overt displays of emotion were totally unacceptable. and however gentlemen could give themselves up to unrestrained mirth if they

were in the company of other men or women of ill repute . or women of ill repute. >> right, a wife had to look the other way when their husbands were having affairs , but if the were having affairs, but if the wife had to look the other way. >> so sort of it was it was standard form, was it? yes. >> however , a wife could, start >> however, a wife could, start having affairs if she if she presented her husband with an heir . but it presented her husband with an heir. but it had to be discreet. >> of course. so it's a sort of performance, but a performance related, performance related affair is that basically where we're at? >> you know what it was like in those days? just read jane austen novels. if a woman couldn't bear sons or daughters, she was considered to pose that question to viewers. >> i mean, should we have sort of performance related affairs, maybe don't respond to that, or we could get all sorts of things. >> would be unrwa something wrong? no. it's fine , as i was wrong? no. it's fine, as i was saying, overt displays of emotion . but if the lady were emotion. but if the lady were confronted with vulgarity,

right? or some weird situation , right? or some weird situation, she was allowed to either faint, take the vapours , or actually take the vapours, or actually suffer from hysteria. so that's the only time when we were, doing the right sort of non stiff upper lip thing, okay. >> to show some emotion of things. that's right, of course. but lots of that has, has sort of changed. and where we are. yes. >> thank goodness for women. >> thank goodness for women. >> thank goodness for women. yes, yes, but sort of just before we conclude , i mean before we conclude, i mean overall, would you say that actually standards of social behaviour have declined dramatically in, in recent years 7 dramatically in, in recent years ? indeed. sort of maybe last 5 to 10 years. >> indeed . it's all about >> indeed. it's all about manners. treating others as you would like to be treated yourself. people have forgotten. people are unaware of how their behaviour actually impacts on other people. it really does. >> and i mean, you know, this sort of concept, you you're on a train and someone's just watching a video loudly, or they've just sort of blasting their music loudly and boogie

blasters down the it sort of it feels to me there's a lack of consideration for others. totally. which in a sense you. yeah, i agree. and what's causing that? >> i think it's the parents. it's the parents fault, i believe, because their manners begin at home and it's the parents who are the first child's influences. so i don't know, maybe the parents are unaware themselves of . yeah. unaware themselves of. yeah. >> it's that it's that old expression. is it sort of manners maketh man. you hold open a door. yeah. stand up for a lady and a woman. but. but it's a lot of that just seemed to have just disappeared. whether it's whether it's sort of social media, smartphones, the manic society we live in. but it's sad to lose that. >> and i feel a bit sorry for the men because i love a man to be a gentleman. so if he opens a door for me, i love it. but i've heard that some women get really stroppy about it and think it's offensive and it's just nice. >> it's nice, it's courteous, it makes its manners round. laura,

you are the absolute, the etiquette expert. thank you so much indeed forjoining us. richard here. now we've had lots of emails and thoughts. i'm not sure about the emails we get on performance related affairs, but on var should it be scrapped? gemma says var is killed . gemma says var is killed. football. interesting gemma archie says it's the best thing since sliced bread. well, there's some different views. enables the referee to correct, get to the correct decision based on the factual visual evidence. the problem, i think, is actually sometimes they haven't. how can that be a bad thing ? well, if it works, it's thing? well, if it works, it's interesting that maybe just in the premier league they're getting it wrong. it shows that also some of these prima donnas as the fakers that they are. i think that's an interesting sort of, a dig at some of the footballers. andy says that var should be involved, but not with the people off the pitch. so you make the ref look at it. interesting point there. if he feels that it needs an extra view, then he can run over to the tv. he still has to make that decision. that way he's

solely in charge of the decision. peter says it's destroying football and should be scrapped. loads of you coming in. ross says it's good, but restrict the decision time. so if you can't see a problem, you've got to stick with the original decision. roger says scrap it , have the goalline tech scrap it, have the goalline tech that's easy and extra lines , that's easy and extra lines, linesmen if necessary. and jezza, says , you know, it should jezza, says, you know, it should only be for teams to appeal a decision that's actually what i was thinking about the review system. let me know your thoughts. loads of you on that. gbnews.com/yoursay now, after the break, we're going to be looking at that portrait art. on my goodness. the kings first portrait. what you thought of that? don't go anywhere. i'll be speaking to historian alexander larman on that. but first it's the latest headlines with sophia wenzler. >> richard. thank you. it's 1230. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. your headlines, chancellor jeremy

gb newsroom. your headlines, chancellorjeremy hunt has vowed chancellor jeremy hunt has vowed to compensate victims for the infected blood scandal with a £10 billion package. hunt claimed it was part of fulfilling a promise he made to a constituent who died after contracting hepatitis c, the scandal has been the subject of the biggest ever public inquiry in the uk, after tens of thousands of people were infected with contaminated blood and blood products . infected with contaminated blood and blood products. nhs infected with contaminated blood and blood products . nhs staff and blood products. nhs staff will be told to work evenings and weekends under labour plans to slash waiting lists. hospitals will be asked to share staff and poor waiting lists as part of a £1.1 billion drive to provide an extra 40,000 appointments a week. shadow health secretary wes streeting also promised to protect whistleblowers and cut the nhs reliance on migrant workers . a reliance on migrant workers. a 14 year old boy has died and a 13 year old boy is in a critical condition after getting into difficulty in the river tyne at ovingham, northumbria . ovingham, northumbria. northumbria police were called on saturday after concerns for

the welfare of two teenage boys who were in the river. the younger boy was rescued by emergency services and taken to hospital, but the body of the 14 year old was later found in the water. following a search and he was pronounced dead at the scene , and history was made in saudi arabia last night as oleksandr usyk became boxing's undisputed world heavyweight champion after defeating tyson fury , the defeating tyson fury, the ukrainian won on a split decision following the fight in riyadh, fury was nearly knocked out in the ninth round but disputed the loss afterwards , disputed the loss afterwards, seeming to suggest usyk only won a sympathy vote because of the war in ukraine. in response, sussex said he was ready for a rematch and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. comment hurts. now it's back to richard . richard. >> thank you sphere. that must

be some boxing match that well, coming up at 1:00 after my show, it's gb news sunday with darren grimes. darren, very good to see you. what's on? so much to talk about. oh, i know where actually the one story i do want to talk about richard is the latest. >> oh, you won't guess what's racist today. on barrister's wigs you know that they've worn for centuries. they're apparently racist today. so they're talking about changing them in order to actually not be sensitive. not insensitive or culturally insensitive to certain communities spinning another part of our sort of long standing culture and history. absolutely absolutely. >> respect. have you got some wigs in to sort of, you know, i try out i wish i did, but i was told,i try out i wish i did, but i was told, i was told i couldn't come in wearing what might be an alternative wig. >> so that might be culturally insensitive. but if richard, it's just, insensitive. but if richard, it'sjust, i insensitive. but if richard, it's just, i think a sure sign of the attacks on who we are, what we stood, it's relentless. >> it's never ending tradition in all of these things are under relentless bombardment. >> it's a constant attrition.

and so the question is why? yeah, why aren't they, why aren't people, why are people aren't people, why are people are so trying to sort of do us down. yeah, that's exactly right. and i think it's an attempt to actually undermine who we are and what we stand for, because they don't like what we stand for. >> it's like a sort of trojan horse in our society. >> absolutely. marxism 101. right. >> absolutely appalling. anything else is that. >> yeah. so we're going to be discussing carrying on from your themes . how do we actually solve themes. how do we actually solve themes. how do we actually solve the nhs? how do we actually ensure that those waiting lists are chopped down. you know, our laboun are chopped down. you know, our labour, the only party that can actually do it, do anything about it. and what are the conservatives proposals ? because conservatives proposals? because to be frank, richard, i have absolutely no idea . right. absolutely no idea. right. >> absolutely. well, i think i mean, i think it's going to be the first election where actually there's a proper debate about how to reform health care. and that's a very good thing. it is. >> it is.- >> it is. is. >> it is. and maybe, maybe we'll slay the sacred cow , because i slay the sacred cow, because i think this this treating it like it's a religious entity is actually harming people and risking their lives outcomes.

>> we know the outcomes are not good enough. darren, have a great show. thanks thank you very much indeed. coming up, we'll be celebrating national doughnut week. yum, yum. the smell in the studio is absolutely sensational. and it's british sandwich week that starts tomorrow. hannah harley young, creator and host of the podcast crazy sexy food, will be here to unpack what makes a good sandwich. and also, after the break, we're going to be looking at that portrait. oh my shoulders slump at that. i mean, is it the carpet? is it the curtains? how well has it been received? this week i'll be talking to alexander

welcome back, my friends. well, it's great to see king charles the third back in action after his cancer treatment. but did he really want this ? in his first really want this? in his first week back, he unveiled the first

official portrait of himself since the coronation last year. now, this painting by jonathan yeo. i mean, you might call it abstract. i don't know what you might want to call it. it was unveiled by his majesty at buckingham palace earlier this week, and you can see it here showing the king in the uniform of the welsh guards. against that, that red backdrop . i mean. that, that red backdrop. i mean. what? just look at this. what's going on, so far, the painting has received. well, let's call it varied reactions from the pubuc it varied reactions from the public and i'll be interested in your thoughts. gb news. com your say, but i'm delighted to be joined now by the author and historian alexander larman to get his thoughts and sort of the history behind this. alexander, i mean, all sorts of controversy from this picture , what's what's from this picture, what's what's your sort of takeaway? first of all, do you like it as a picture? and then what's the sort of historical context of what what we now see?

>> hi, richard, i think the first thing to say is that it's very typical of the artist's work. i mean, if you've seen anything by jonathan yeo, you'll know that he likes essentially the best way of describing it is big colours and very famous people. so when i first saw it, i thought it was very typical jonathan yeo portrait , but it's jonathan yeo portrait, but it's a very bilious shade of red. i mean , there's no two ways of mean, there's no two ways of describing it, apart from the fact that it's not the kind of thing that i'd want to have on my wall. i mean, it's eight feet tall and it's very striking . but tall and it's very striking. but what i've been surprised by is the initial reaction to it was that people who are, shall we say, conservative, more right wing, have liked it very much, whereas people on the left, perhaps more republican facing elements, have been rather dismissive . dismissive. >> i mean, that's that's interesting. you put a sort of a, a political context to it. i mean , i, yeah, that's very mean, i, yeah, that's very interesting . interesting. >> well, what was interesting is the guardian's art critic gave

it one star, and it was it was a very funny review because first of all, he said how much he liked jonathan the artist personally. >> and then he laid into it. so i thought , this is nice. what on i thought, this is nice. what on earth he said about people he doesn't like? >> i loved the description of it, which said that the, the head , the portrayal of the head head, the portrayal of the head of king charles, the third would earn a knighthood. his hands would earn an mba, but for the artist, for the rest of it, he should be taken to the tower and presented for execution . a bit presented for execution. a bit harsh, but i mean, the rest of it is. it'sjust harsh, but i mean, the rest of it is. it's just a sort of red mess, isn't it? >> well, i think what's quite interesting is that the facial representation of charles shows his kindness and shows his wisdom . and if i was him, i'd be wisdom. and if i was him, i'd be very happy about that. but the question that i'd be asking if i was his majesty was, why is it so red? because what you see about red is it's a very

striking colour. and if you're a kind of abstract artist, you can do immensely interesting things with it. but you know, it's not an abstract artist. this is obviously, at the end of the day, it's a representational portrait, and it's a commissioned portrait of the king. now, i mean, obviously we've had other very well—known artists who have painted the royal family. i mean, famously , royal family. i mean, famously, lucian freud painted elizabeth the second, and that was a very deglamorized, very controversial portrait . and people still talk portrait. and people still talk about that 20 years on, although, again , the guardian although, again, the guardian called it the best royal portrait in 150 years. so make of that. what do you think ? of that. what do you think? >> do you think, do you think here, alexander jonathan yeo's sort of image posed his own view of king charles the third. within this picture . within this picture. >> well, i think that the artistic flourish he's had is what we can see. there's the butterfly just above the king's shoulder . now, of course, shoulder. now, of course, there's lots of interpretations as to what the butterfly could mean. i mean, the artist has said that he thought it was a waist, signifying his shift from being prince of wales to being king, which is fine, i mean, if

that's what you want to say. but i think you could also say, is it some sort of suggestion about charles's illness? is it some sort of reference to his spirit? i mean, that seems exceptionally unlikely , but there's lots of unlikely, but there's lots of ways in which you can interpret that. of course , the trouble is, that. of course, the trouble is, as soon as you put in any symbol to a painting like this, which is not completely naturalistic, you're going to have people who look at it and say, well, why the butterfly? why the i actually, i mean, i quite like the butterfly, to be honest. >> alexander . but, i the butterfly, to be honest. >> alexander. but, i just thought the rest of it was a bit of a mess. times against us. but thank you so much indeed for your thoughts. alexander larman there on king charles the first, there on king charles the first, the third's first official portrait. now, after the break, i mean , the smell is delicious i mean, the smell is delicious in the studio, we'll be looking at the love of sandwiches ahead of british sandwich week with hannah harley young. and also also, very importantly , national also, very importantly, national doughnut week. don't

welcome back, my friends, to the best bit of the show . because best bit of the show. because it's the food time just before sunday lunch. and then darren grimes at one. now, the british love affair with sandwiches apparently had his origins with the invention by the earl of sandwich, no less, who was a gambler , a hungry gambler, and gambler, a hungry gambler, and he didn't want to interrupt his gambling games. so he asked for some roast beef to be placed between a couple of slices of beef so that he a couple of slices of bread, sorry, so that he could eat it with his hands as he was gambling. and tomorrow is the start of british sandwich week, a week long celebration of what could be considered the greatest food to go and quite possibly one of the most iconic culinary inventions. the sandwich . well, i'm delighted to sandwich. well, i'm delighted to be joined in the studio by hannah harley young to share some tasty creations. it's also

national doughnut week and we've got some great doughnuts , in the got some great doughnuts, in the studio. and that's to raise funds for the charity the children's trust. thank you, hannah, for being with us. thank you. british sandwich week. i mean , it's such a great mean, it's such a great tradition. it's sort of the food to go when you're busy. and lots of us have busy lives. talk us through sort of how how did the sandwich, how did it evolve? >> so. >> so. >> okay, so i would say i've done a bit of research and there's no sort of formal confirmation of where the sandwich was invented, but it was sort of way back in the middle ages. >> and i think what's so wonderful about the sandwich and you've mentioned the earl of sandwich, which again, not confirmed, but i'm going to run with that run with that. yeah. because i like i like the story. but what's so amazing that all cultures have a different version of sandwiches? when you think about in the middle east and india, you know, they're using flatbreads and pitta breads. the definition of a sandwich by the sandwich association is basically meat or vegetables. that is in a carrier of bread, and it's usually

assembled cold. but i've brought today, obviously a selection of some of my favourites . it's fantastic. >> i didn't know there was a sandwich association. >> oh yes , yes, i know there's >> oh yes, yes, i know there's association for everything these days. association for everything these days . is. yes. days. is. yes. >> so you brought some favourites. yeah, into the studio. >> but also i think this also shows that we're not just celebrating like our culinary heritage, but we're also celebrating how far we've come and how much people sort of put into creating the perfect sandwich. long gone are the days of, you know, a little dry egg mayo sandwich on a bit of white bread. no offence to egg mayo lovers. >> i mean, i'm old enough to remember the old british rail sandwich. exactly. the 19th century. >> exactly. and i think i read the first sandwich in shops was packaged. >> was was m&s in the mid 80s. >> was was m&s in the mid 80s. >> yeah, that doesn't surprise me . me. >> so talk us through some of these. >> okay. so and also i just wanted to mention as well there's actually now a festival for sandwiches and it's going on right now it's called sarnie party. and if anyone's around in camden today you can head down there for the final day . but

there for the final day. but let's go through. so this is by a wonderful business called reubens. reubens. they're really big on sort of barbecuing their meats. so here we have a barbecue spin on the famous reuben sandwich. so we got smoked pastrami vie mustard, barbecue sauce on a sort of soft, hollow , hollow roll, so soft, hollow, hollow roll, so that one sort of, sort of quite sort of american style sort of jewish culture there, that's that's about two meals in itself. yes. this is the other thing. it is a meal. now, it's not just like a snack. you know. so this one is by the guys from melt, melt can be found in old spitalfields market, they have been regarded as one of the best cheese sandwiches. cheese grilled cheese sandwiches in london. this is obviously not just with cheese. this has got , just with cheese. this has got, 24 hour smoked brisket. it's got a combination of three cheeses. we've got a west country cheddar, a mozzarella and agria and that's on a sourdough. absolutely. and then what you do with this one sort of smoked cheese, you dip that one into the gravy. that's just naughty.

>> that is naughty without question. naughty but nice. >> absolutely. then we've got these guys. this is a really interesting concept. this is the secret sandwich shop that can be found just off portobello road in west london. now they're basing their sandwiches on the japanese sandwich and you can see it's very symmetrical. it's very sort of very formal. very formal. yeah. this one has, what is this got in it? this has got it's rye bread with swiss cheese, pastrami, sauerkraut . cheese, pastrami, sauerkraut. last but not least, rogue sarnies. now these ones are beautiful. these are are woodfired rolls. so they actually fire up all, all of their, their ovens just to just to sort the bread out, this is, this is called the three little pigs. we've got mortadella, salami and, and porchetta in there with smoked scamorza cheese , pickled pepper relish cheese, pickled pepper relish and burnt lemon aioli. i mean , and burnt lemon aioli. i mean, this is, i have to say, folks, i mean, seriously, the smell . mean, seriously, the smell. >> and they're so tempting. i might have to stop the show

early and just get stuck in, absolutely amazing. and i mean, the creativity. here they are, just meals in themselves. and i mean, we are a sort of sarnie nation. are we? more so than than other nations? i think i read that there's something like 3 billion sandwiches a year are consumed in the uk, and we spend over £8 billion on sandwiches. >> so a year, if you think about that billion pounds. yeah. >> on sandwiches, just imagine that. how much are you spending on your sandwiches? >> but also , i mean, this is >> but also, i mean, this is what's so exciting that you can go to these places and it's they're so creative with what they're so creative with what they're doing. you know . and i they're doing. you know. and i think that's what makes a wonderful sandwich for me. i'm thinking about what bread are you using? what's the variety of ingredients , the different ingredients, the different textures, what sauces. you know, are you going to have a melted element to it, such as a melted cheese? are you going to have different types of meats in it? you know, we've come so far. >> it's i mean it's an industry in itself . >> it's i mean it's an industry in itself. but >> it's i mean it's an industry in itself . but also the in itself. but also the creativity of the chefs is absolutely remarkable. and also

i can't resist. yes. the next thing of course, national doughnut week. yes. >> would you like one. >> would you like one. >> well i will in a minute, that's for sure, but the i mean, the doughnuts, you know, again originated in america. this is national doughnut week here. the children's trust . national doughnut week here. the children's trust. i think they're linking in with about 350 bakeries to raise money. and look at those. the old. i know the old krispy kreme's. >> yes. i mean , you can't go >> yes. i mean, you can't go wrong with it. >> don't go wrong with a doughnut. so doughnuts originated at, actually, well before the first world war, but they really came in their own in they really came in their own in the first world war, when it was sort of to help the american troops in the trenches, women volunteers at and then sort of after that, it sort of exploded in america, absolutely amazing. >> i think what i also love about doughnuts is it's the simplicity of essentially some fried dough with a bit of sugar and the happiness and joy that it brings you. and again, the types of varieties i mean, i love these types of doughnuts, but who doesn't love a jam filled doughnut? that's been rolled in sugar? you know,

there's so many different opfions there's so many different options these days. >> absolutely. so many different. i mean, it's hard to know where to begin with this, but i'm not sure i can get, get my chops around any of this. we might have to wait until. till afterwards. so that's the formal, that's that's your sort of japanese style from the secret sandwich shop. >> this these these are woodfired rolls, these these have actually been cooked on site. they've been cooked. they've been finished off on site. yes. that's what you've been smelling all morning. and then here are your doughnuts. >> here are the doughnuts. look at all these. amazing. >> let's cheers one. oh, he's gone for it . yeah gone for it. yeah >> the doughnut. i've gone big on the doughnuts earlier. i've sort of gone in reverse. i should have stuck into the sandwich, but i couldn't resist it. i mean, these absolutely sensational. really is whatever you think, folks. i'm sure you might have a roast or something. or. and what i did also discover with, sandwiches is the favourite filling. yes. >> so this is really interesting . bacon. bacon is the. but it hasn't always been bacon . it's

hasn't always been bacon. it's usually been chicken, usually chicken. this year it got overtaken by bacon. >> we're gonna we're gonna have to run out. we're running out of time, folks. hope you've enjoyed the show. michael will be back next week. up next, of course, with gb news, it's darren grimes. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. welcome to your gb news weather update from the met office for the rest of today . office for the rest of today. we've still got some warm sunshine on offer. the risk of the odd shower but feeling cooler. in the east. we've got a ridge of high pressure extending out towards the west that's bringing in the settled conditions through much of today with light winds as indicated by the isobars. otherwise, plenty of late evening sunshine on offer today. any showers across southwestern parts of scotland and cumbria fading away into the

evening . otherwise we've got a evening. otherwise we've got a return of low cloud coming in from the north sea and pushing its way further towards the west. clearer skies are further the west you go, but low cloud mist and fog perhaps developing across northern ireland. temperatures around 10 or 11 but feeling cooler underneath the clearer skies. so quite a murky start on monday morning, especially further east that you go so across scotland, northeastern coasts as well, holding a lot of low cloud mist and fog. but further the west, bright skies to start the day. northern ireland like i said, some low cloud, mist and fog should lift and break and then low cloud really lingering across parts of the southeast. brighter skies further to the west. you go and dry to so through the rest of monday morning. low cloud mist and fog should start lifting, breaking and burning its way back to coastline might be a little bit slower than what we've seen on today for today, but otherwise plenty of sunny spells on offer. the risk of some heavy showers,

especially across western parts of northern ireland. elsewhere, feeling perhaps a little bit cooler than what we saw on the weekend, but otherwise still feeling warm in the sunshine as we go through the rest of monday evening. any cloud generally breaking away. still, with the risk of some heavy showers across western parts of northern ireland and perhaps developing across the south two otherwise tuesday, wednesday and thursday turning unsettled, showers or perhaps some longer spells of rain . rain. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . sponsors of boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on

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