labour leader sir keir from labour leader sir keir starmer . i'm from labour leader sir keir starmer. i'm joined by shadow health secretary wes streeting to find out if the numbers add up, how he's going to fund these 40,000 new nhs appointments a week and if an asylum seeker amnesty could be on the cards . amnesty could be on the cards. and yesterday saw more calls for intifada on the streets of britain, defence secretary grant shapps joins me to reveal if the tories have finally found a way to deal with that problem , and to deal with that problem, and russia has expelled our defence attache, how will britain respond to putin's provocation and we have the former foreign secretary, sir malcolm rifkind, in the studio with us. how concerned should we be about putin and president xi's axis of evil, and how should the government respond to calls for a gaza refugee scheme? now conservative politicians have been told to promote themselves over the party. i'll talk to the conservative mp for great grimsby , who says she's more grimsby, who says she's more reform than the reform party . is reform than the reform party. is this a sign that conservative mps have lost faith in rishi

sunak? and finally, we'll speak to the economist and former political adviser to france's marine le pen doctor jean—marie marine le pen doctorjean—marie bucha, as the manhunt continues for notorious gangster known as the fly after that audacious prison break left two police officers dead, plus fears over anti—semitic violence in france. don't go anywhere because we've got 90 minutes of action packed politics coming right up. well, in the studio with me, we have patrick o'flynn to run through the papers. there's a lot you've picked out this morning for us. good morning emily. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> yes. now i'm quite interested in the sunday telegraph front page because as it features wes streeting and labour's nhs reform plans, now labour don't have many leading figures these days who would naturally appeal to either floating voters or centre right voters . and where

centre right voters. and where is this supposed to be? the poster boy for that kind of reincarnated blairism? perhaps you would call it. and he's got a splash on the sunday telegraph. labour press team will be very pleased with that, but it's all i have to say. it's desperately thin stuff. the headuneis desperately thin stuff. the headline is that labour will tell nhs workers to work weekends and evenings, but if you dig into the story , it's you dig into the story, it's just they're going to offer them overtime rates of pay and ask them to do that. there's this story, this line about 40,000, extra operations. or appointments a week. and it's implied that , again, closing tax implied that, again, closing tax loopholes, non—dom stuff will magically pay for that. i think we need to see a bit more detail on that. and west presses all the right sort of buttons , the right sort of buttons, saying that we're too reliant on overseas doctors and nurses. we should train more of our own. he makes a perfectly sensible point that we have lots of brilliant

young people with straight a—levels who want to be trained as medics , who can't be because as medics, who can't be because we have a cap in place. but again , he doesn't really come again, he doesn't really come out with a pledge as to whether labour will fund the scrapping of that cap because it costs a lot of money to train medics and what would be in its place and the most pie in the sky line, i think, is, he's talking about a sort of weekend or evening surgeries, which will be able to do a week's worth of procedures in a day. now, if that were possible, don't you think somebody else might have tried it? >> a weeks worth of procedures in one day? >> yeah. so miracle worker wes streeting , i just, i think streeting, i just, i think that's, sort of, hope over , over that's, sort of, hope over, over experience on the, say on the, the headline in the telegraph, at least labour will tell nhs staff to work weekends. >> now, i imagine a lot of doctors and nurses and general staff in the nhs will say, hang on a minute, we already do work evenings and weekends. i guess

this is an attempt to get to more of them. to do so. it sounds like it. >> i mean, it's very vague, but it sounds like there'll be a pot of money to offer overtime rates for more weekend and evening shifts. now, some of us might think that's rather unambitious. you know, there are organisations employing many, many fewer than a million people at the nhs . does that are able at the nhs. does that are able to offer a proper seven day a week, 24 hour service with with no sort of skeleton staffing involved? so, you know, we would like, i think most of us to have a health service where your chances of survival don't depend on the day of the week and the time of the day in which you fall. >> yes. and it'll be interesting to see what wes streeting has to say later on in the show about, the reaction from the bma , the the reaction from the bma, the trade union. >> what might they have to say about this? i know they've been quite hostile to wes. he's admitted that in the past over question marks of the word privatisation and using private facilities and that sort of thing. so what will they have to

say about this? >> well, i think better relations with the, the nhs unions are about the only kind of real potential benefit i can see in, in labour's plans, because they've given the tories a really tough time and some of that, i think people look at the sort of things the junior doctors on strike have been chanting. they just appear overwhelmingly left wing. so perhaps they would give a labour government a slightly easier ride, i guess so i guess, i mean, on the other hand, they might have more power to push wes on policy. they might do, and they will know that obviously, if labour doesn't deliver on the nhs, that will be a kind of massive political problem for labour, so they'll have plenty of leverage while we're on the sunday telegraph, i must just mention go on, go on. there's a rather nice picture to sort of cheer tory spin doctor hearts of rishi sunak back, yes. >> lift up a little bit higher. >> lift up a little bit higher. >> yeah. watching southampton on, with his mum and dad. and they got to the, the championship play off final. it makes him look normal and i

think his dad's got the kit on, the shirt on and, and it makes a change from the sort of prada loafer . change from the sort of prada loafer. rishi's a billionaire type. >> well, we don't know what he's got on his feet. >> we don't quite. but i don't think there he might have his sneakers on. he might have his sneakers on. he might have his sneakers on. he might have his sneakers on. rishi a sticking with, labour though, for a moment . moment. >> front page of the observer. the archbishop of canterbury urges keir starmer to ditch the cruel two child benefit cap. what are we to make of this , what are we to make of this, well, i think in recent years the church of england has maybe become the labour party at prayer. you know, i'm old enough to remember when they called it the tory party at prayer. but. but it seems sure they deny that. right. well, it seems justin welby is out lifting the labour party by saying that this calculation, where most benefits are calculated to a maximum level, as if the claimant family only had two children, is cruel andifs only had two children, is cruel and it's accentuating , child and it's accentuating, child poverty, and that every child is of equal value. now, i'm not

particularly wedded to this two cap, two child benefit cap. i think even suella braverman wrote an article recently saying maybe it should be reviewed, but ihave maybe it should be reviewed, but i have to say, whenever justin welby comes out with a position , welby comes out with a position, often i find myself instinctively taking the opposite one. so the fact that he's so remorselessly politically correct, left wing, wanting to expand state spending thing, he's always on one side, so it makes me think perhaps there's, good reasons for the two child benefit cap. and the greatest cure for child poverty is to get parents into full time decent. we know the government are trying to, trying to do that. >> yes . so i that. >> yes. so i think at great cost. yeah. >> and i think labour and starmer will be very resistant, to being pushed around by, you know, a left wing cleric, albeit the most senior one in the country. >> it's interesting, though, isn't it, because, you know, if the cost of living weren't so cripplingly high for young families, this benefit may well not be needed . but that's where

not be needed. but that's where we are. that is where we are, shall we move on to the front page of the mail on sunday? because we have , grant shapps because we have, grant shapps the defence secretary up in a little bit on this show, and he won't like the look of this front page, will he, no. and i think when your defence secretary, there are more people in that department, i think, trying to embarrass the secretary of state than almost in any other department, maybe setting aside the home office and the classic sort of defence embarrassment story is, is when something is leaked that implies the country can't put on a show, you know, can't put on a military show. and the mail on sunday has this story that we've only got one plane available to drop off, members of the parachute regiment out of on the d—day 80th anniversary, and that our contribution to the commemorations will be put in the shade by other countries with much sort of more panache.

now, i have to say, in the actuality , when the events actuality, when the events happen, i think it's one of our strengths is doing the pageantry and the heritage stuff. and i think there will be enough planes and we won't look weak compared to the other. >> i'll ask grant shapps about this, but it seems, according to this, but it seems, according to this exclusive in the mail on sunday, that it is a source from the parachute regiment itself thatis the parachute regiment itself that is saying all of this stuff to the paper, saying that we don't have adequate numbers of aircraft by any means , and that aircraft by any means, and that this shows how feeble we may look. >> yes. and they're saying that, a group of planes , i think c—iso a group of planes, i think c—iso hercules transport planes. well, not a defence expert, but that might be approximately right, that they've been pensioned off a bit too early and they've left a, with a shortage there. and this shows that, you know, again, the line of defence is very thin these days , but i'm very thin these days, but i'm sure the government would say, well, look, we are raising the

share of national income on defence and putting tens of billions of pounds. >> but it's how it's spent, isn't it? and these shows are important. we're going to have to move on to our. next story because we're running out of time, this is wokeist madness on the front of the sunday express. what's this about? >> or woke madness? i think it's the tory cabinet, likes to get on the side of anti wokeism because one of the few things they think they can just sort of growl about and it will resonate with, with most people. now, this is kemi badenoch who normally when she makes a media intervention, there's a very detailed plan. she's a very she doesn't usually just do waffle . doesn't usually just do waffle. kemi now she's got the splash on the sunday express by just telling companies, you know, end quote, madness cut down on on the, diversity , inclusion, the, diversity, inclusion, politicising your proper place to tell private companies what to tell private companies what to do. >> it's one thing talking about the civil service. it's one thing talking about our public

institution. but is it her place to talk? tell private companies what they should do? >> yes, i think it is. and i think cabinet ministers should have more flair in using their influence on this kind. >> are you really interesting? >> are you really interesting? >> absolutely. it's not compulsory. but but she's saying, you know, people buying ice cream don't want to know. theice ice cream don't want to know. the ice cream supports palestine or whatever, the interesting thing here is that she's got the splash further into the sunday express, estimate vie who is, quote, the minister for common sense has also got a very similar story, but she's relegated inside and i feel a bit sorry for her. she made a big speech, last monday that got gazumped by the prime minister deciding to make a speech. and one of her things was she was going to ban rainbow lanyards. yes. from, from the civil service. and it turned out there was going to be no such ban. and grant shapps himself then came out and said he didn't mind that sort of thing. so everyone seems to be. >> well, there you go. >> well, there you go. >> hating esther and trampling over her. >> that's another thing to, ask grant shapps about. if we if we get round to it, why did you not

stand by esther? yes. in her calls to scrap these lanyards. thank you very much, patrick. it's my fantastic, newspaper reviewer , patrick o'flynn. reviewer, patrick o'flynn. they're now coming up after the break. i'll be speaking to the defence secretary, grant shapps. can his grand plans for bolstering british defence turn things around for the conservative party .

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important an occasion for, the government and indeed the ministry of defence and the particular armed services to mess up. so, i think it's a bit of bit of mischief. i would have thought grant shapps will be able to lay his hands on sufficient planes to ensure a good parachute drop, and that that britain will be there with. >> so you're positive that we will be able to find adequate aircraft and, as kevin jones, as you pointed out in the break, labour mp kevin jones, former defence minister, he says grant shapps should pull his finger out and sort this immediately. so you think that grant shapps will do just that? >> i have every confidence that grant will get this sorted out. there are other kind of issues on defence which are raised in the same article, in the same paper , which are kind of perhaps paper, which are kind of perhaps more intractable longer term issues about, procurement and whether we've got enough air cover and all the sorts of things that a defence secretary

must, must deal with over the longer term. but at least grant shapps theoretically, although it's beyond the date of the next election , can point to there election, can point to there will be a bigger defence budget . will be a bigger defence budget. if the conservatives were by any chance to carry on in government. >> yes, this story isn't just about this particular parachute jump about this particular parachute jump for d—day commemorations. it is about procurement choices and where the money, where our defence spending is going, whether it's being spent efficiently enough. lots of questions to ask there. i also want to talk to grant shapps about what we've been seeing on the streets of britain , in the streets of britain, in particularly london. yesterday, the palace pro—palestine protests continue every two weeks. it seems to be the case that hundreds , thousands of that hundreds, thousands of people come down to central london and other cities across the country to protest. we have seen reports of chants of intifada again on the streets of london. the government talk about how they are going to deal with these things, how they're going to make sure that there's

no anti—semitism , or calls for no anti—semitism, or calls for anything related to terrorism on our streets . but these protests our streets. but these protests do seem to continue to go on. what's your perspective on that? >> well, my perspective for the government is desperately playing for time here and just hoping to give a short term answer that will satisfy a few people that things are going to change. but the core of the problem is under this government, we've invited into the country hundreds of thousands of people for whom , thousands of people for whom, palestine is, is one of their, say, top three political priorities. and they don't believe in israel's right to exist. they are willing and able to get out on the street in huge numbers, particularly in our capital city. it's made policing, with the resources available, almost impossible. so it's a long term legacy of an immigration policy. i would suggest , immigration policy. i would suggest, which in recent years in particular, has brought in a lot of people from the islamic world. and when they see fellow muslims suffering, they regard it as a, as a massive priority and a massive duty.

it as a, as a massive priority and a massive duty . and there's and a massive duty. and there's and a massive duty. and there's a lot of anti—semitism historically within some of these communities. so historically within some of these communities . so the these communities. so the government has created, i suggest , a lack of social suggest, a lack of social cohesion, a society that doesn't work in our big cities is a nightmare to police. and has brought in tens of thousands of extremists to boot. >> well, perhaps we'll put that to grant shapps, when he arrives, we're going to take a very quick break and then, speak to defence

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secretary from 1995 to 1997. now, thank you very much for joining us in the studio this morning. now, you want to talk about what's happening in israel. the member of the war cabinet saying that if saying that he may well , we cabinet saying that if saying that he may well, we may actually see a collapse of the government is what you're suggesting . suggesting. >> it's the most important announcement from within the israeli government since the war coalition was founded, because the war is continuing . and for the war is continuing. and for benny gantz, who is the most senior opposition member on the coalition, he is the person who would be expected to become the next prime minister if there was a general election. so he's a very senior guy, the most senior there is. he is saying he's not just a threat, he's saying he will resign in and take his party out of the coalition in three weeks time. if netanyahu does not agree that there should be some form of multinational civilian administration in gaza once a war ends, now he won't make that threat unless he means it. he's done it publicly , it. he's done it publicly, unequivocally. and there's a second point. there is another

minister, the minister of defence, yoav galant, who is a member of netanyahu's party, who has made similar comments. well so what does this mean for benjamin netanyahu? >> is he very much losing support now from within? where are we with these discussions? >> there's there have always been great strains within the coalition because they stand for different things . and netanyahu different things. and netanyahu is trying to survive in terms of his own career. he also relies on the support of two very ultra nationalist, fanatical colleagues, ben—gvir and smotrich . the opposition smotrich. the opposition members, including , mr gantz, do members, including, mr gantz, do not support them. so there is this great strain. but what's making it worse is that so far , making it worse is that so far, the israelis have not delivered the israelis have not delivered the main objectives of destroying hamas. they've badly damaged them, but they're not destroyed . they haven't got the destroyed. they haven't got the hostages released. they haven't captured any of the hamas leaders. now, that is not the course of victory . and that is course of victory. and that is something which has added fuel

to the fire. >> and in terms of britain and how our government reacts to this instability at the heart of the israeli government, how do we go forward? >> well, the most important point i can make on that question is that both the british government and indeed the american government have made it clear publicly that when the war finishes, somebody's got to govern gaza and it shouldn't be hamas. and therefore both britain and the americans and many in israel have said the palestinians , the moderate palestinians, the moderate palestinians, the moderate palestinians, people who are running the west bank, who are not hamas, they or people like them should be involved in the administration of gaza . so far, administration of gaza. so far, netanyahu and his colleagues have said, not in your life. we cannot have that. that's going to be the end of the world as we know it now. he's going to lose that battle. >> well, sir malcolm rifkind, thank you very much. we are just now going to be joined by the defence secretary, grant shapps. ihope defence secretary, grant shapps. i hope you don't mind. we'll just pause our conversation for a little while because grant has been waiting there for us. thank you very much, grant shapps, for joining us as you may or may not

have just heard, we were discussing benny gantz and the threat that he may, the threat to the government's stability overin to the government's stability over in israel. how concerned are you about what's what's being said ? being said? >> well, not concerned. i'm actually rather pleased to hear benny gantz say that. and as malcolm rifkind just mentioned, there's another minister who's actually my opposite number, the defence minister, yoav galant , defence minister, yoav galant, who said exactly the same thing in the week. and i message yoav galant to say to him, this is absolutely what we've been calling for. i absolutely agree, it is vital, vital that for israel , of course, for israel, of course, for palestinians that there is a route in which they end up with a government which is which are not a bunch of terrorists, which is what hamas are, but people who can properly represent them. and israel needs to set that out, because there could be if you put all of those pieces into place and combine it with

normalisation of relations with saudi arabia , for example, saudi arabia, for example, a better future for that region, including for israel. so, yes, i do think it's time to set that out. and we have been urging this step to take place . this step to take place. >> and how do you envisage that that looking from the british perspective of how would you like to see the governance of gaza? >> well, look, we help in, for example, the west bank. in fact, i visited ramallah and i've met with the palestinian authority there. now, a lot of people say they're not perfect. there certainly are not. they can be weak at times and lacking in their leadership, but actually, actually , again, as malcolm actually, again, as malcolm rifkind said, it's either got to be them or someone like them, but it with support to make sure that they have the administrative ability to run gaza afterwards and run it for the palestinian, for the for the people of gaza without having to resort to terrorists building a network of tunnels in order to divert whatever aid is taken.

and this is what's been happening , you know, for years happening, you know, for years now, the aid which has been pumped into gaza by a lot of different countries has been being stolen by hamas and put into tunnels underground and turned into weapons and used against the interests of people who are actually living in gaza. we can't have that situation again. we do need this international plan. we can't do that without israel . i think that without israel. i think this is positive that members of the israeli war cabinet are thinking about what happens on the day after and trying to urge action to be taken . action to be taken. >> and grant, you will have noficed >> and grant, you will have noticed that there have been growing calls for some kind of gaza refugee scheme, some kind of family resettlement scheme for those caught up in the conflict in gaza. is that something that you would support? what is the government's position on that? >> well, broadly speaking, we think that, you know, there's a lot of different remember the

location of gaza. there are a lot of arab states around it. and actually we want people to be able to stay in gaza. so we support solutions which, for example, bring the aid direct to people. and you will have seen just this weekend, the united kingdom's played a big part in providing aid for the first time through a pier, which has been dnven through a pier, which has been driven into the beach on gaza. and the uk has not only provided some of that aid, but also the logistics and cyprus and also the command and control ship, which is rfa. you don't foresee in the mediterranean to make you don't foresee any any type of resettlement scheme for palestinians in gaza. >> you would not expect . we >> you would not expect. we won't expect that . won't expect that. >> no, i don't think that's on the cards. but i also don't want to see people leave, gaza . i to see people leave, gaza. i want people to be able to get back to their lives there, bring the, war to a conclusion , the, war to a conclusion, particularly by having those hostages released. and it's

absolutely heartbreaking to see, by the way, this weekend, reports of hostages, bodies being found , we now know why being found, we now know why hamas wasn't releasing them. they've murdered them . and we've they've murdered them. and we've got to, i think, have people believe that there is a future or build a future for people in gaza , rather than helping to gaza, rather than helping to empty out gaza, as it were . empty out gaza, as it were. >> and, grant, we've also seen closer to home, more protests on the streets of our capital. yesterday, there were unfortunately reports of chanting intifada, revolution i chanting intifada, revolution! even now, the government has spoken a lot about cracking down on the excesses of these protests, making sure there's no sign of any support for terrorism, that there is no anti—semitism , but these anti—semitism, but these protests continue to gather pace in our capital. what's the latest on what's being done to prevent people from feeling, well, unsafe on the streets of london? >> yeah, this worries me. it worries the government a lot. i was pleased to see there were

ten or so arrests yesterday are made. we have said in the past, i think the police need to be very much all over these things, and we see the impact on people. it makes people feel very uncomfortable when these marches sometimes spill over from the legitimate right to protest and make a point , that is not an make a point, that is not an issue. when they spill over into anti—semitism, when they spill over into hate speech and racism, that is where there is a problem. and we absolutely back 100% police taking the necessary action. i see now , that they action. i see now, that they have charged hundreds and hundreds of people over the last few months and that there are a significant number of arrests yesterday, which i think was the right way to deal with these things. >> and grant shapps, i must ask you about the front page of the mail on sunday. today they have an exclusive from a source in the in the parachute regiment tonight, and they claim that we only have one plane available for the parachute regiment .

for the parachute regiment. d—day, a parachute jump for the commemorations , have you spoken commemorations, have you spoken to anyone? do we have any more planes available ? planes available? >> yeah. well, approached about that exact story, and i think it's reflected in the story. i have ordered a review of that. i do think it's incredibly important to remember the past. and if we don't do that, then we essentially commit ourselves to making the same mistakes again in the future. so i have ordered a review of that immediately. it is the case, of course, these aircraft are being used in a more difficult, troubled world, including, for example, on the previous conversation to drop aid into into gaza. and they've been very heavily used for that . been very heavily used for that. so i'll have a look at the resources. >> i think. i mean, grant important i mean grant, is it true that is it? is it true, grant, that we may be maybe retired? >> some of these, aircraft . >> some of these, aircraft. a little, a little too soon and the replacements simply aren't

simply aren't there because we do this stuff so well, don't we? these displays, these commemorations. and it'd be such a shame if we didn't have them. >> i absolutely agree about needing to make sure we do it properly, not just because it's a display , but because it a display, but because it commemorates something i was yesterday. i was . in italy yesterday. i was. in italy meeting my opposite number, and we were talking about monte cassino, which is a big commemoration there. it's important that d—day is remembered properly here. it will be, by the way, both, in in portsmouth and in, in, in france. so it will be i want to make sure it's done properly. coming back to the decisions, i'm afraid they predate my time. it is the case, though, we do have some very, very good, a400. heavy lift aircraft with about 1.4 million tons of lift ability. so we actually have a lot of , lift ability in the raf. lot of, lift ability in the raf. as i say, some of them have been involved in active. we know there are several live wars going on and they are being used for those purposes. but i'm quite sure to commemorate something as significant as

d—day , we can do a bit better d—day, we can do a bit better than that. and i've undertaken to make . sure we do well, i hope so. >> thank you very much indeed for your time. grant shapps defence secretary and conservative mp for welwyn hatfield. great to speak to you, that was grant shapps still to come this hour. in just a minute we'll be joined by labour's shadow health secretary wes streeting. lots of questions to ask. where's he's got lots of promises for our nhs, doesn't he? 40,000 more appointments every week. how is he going to pay every week. how is he going to pay for it? and what exactly . pay for it? and what exactly. will that look like? is the labour leader sir keir starmer really the heir to blair? he has his six pledges for us. set them out. do you buy them? do you think they'll be successful? and i'll speak to former foreign secretary, sir malcolm rifkind. do we need to worry about a growing axis of evil from the east? and i'll be speaking to the conservative mp lia nici, about the latest round of tory instability and the rising threat of reform in the red wall. and we'll be crossing over the channel to get the latest from france with economist and

european parliamentary candidate, doctor jean messiha candidate, doctorjean messiha as he brings us up to date. following the escape of the fly and an attack on a synagogue in rouenis and an attack on a synagogue in rouen is france's safety facing greater internal threats? stay with . us. well, i believe with. us. well, i believe actually we are joined by wes streeting, the shadow health secretary and labour mp for ilford north. wes, are you there 7 ilford north. wes, are you there ? 0h, ilford north. wes, are you there ? oh, brilliant. where's. great to speak to you. thank you. how are you? i am wonderful. thank you for asking , lots in the you for asking, lots in the papers about your new nhs pledges. you're promising 40,000 odd new appointments every week for patients in the nhs. how is that going to be funded ? that going to be funded? >> £1.1 billion paid for by clamping down on tax avoidance. and also . closing non—dom

and also. closing non—dom loopholes as well. and that will enable us to put £1.1 billion directly into the pockets of nhs staff to deliver those extra appointments the evenings and weekends, using an approach that's been tried and tested at the london hospital. i can literally see out of my office window in westminster and therefore an approach we need to see available to patients right across the country, not just in london. and that does come with a cost. and that's why we've made this commitment as our first step on the journey to busting the tory backlog and cutting nhs waiting lists. yeah i mean, whereas it sounds great that you can pay for this all by cracking down on on tax avoidance and non—doms . avoidance and non—doms. >> but this non—dom the money that you you believe you're going to be able to recuperate from that, it seems to be all based on one study by warwick and the lse university that you'll be able to raise x x billion. but i just wonder, have you thought about perhaps how mobile these non—doms may be? and they may choose to park themselves in another country ? themselves in another country? how many non—doms do you expect

there be to tax under a labour government? >> well, we've been around this block before because the conservatives attacked this policy originally and said exactly the same thing. look non—doms are going to flee the country. it's not going to raise the money. you think it will. we can't go ahead by abolishing the non—dom tax status. and then what does jeremy hunt done in his last budget? he's scrapped the non—dom tax status in the way that labour planned to, albeit leaving some convenient loopholes that you may not have seen. loopholes that you may not have seen . friends, you may not. seen. friends, you may not. >> you may not have seen where's. but there's actually reports out today that jeremy hunt is maybe reconsidering this on non—doms because he's been speaking to business leaders and the like, and they're worried that actually what we might see is, is those wealthy non—doms moving donors, his next door neighbour. well, it's important i want the facts. i want to know. i want to know whether scrapping non—dom status and these loopholes that you say you're going to clamp down on are actually going to raise enough money for 44,000 appointments a week, because

thatis appointments a week, because that is a huge pledge, and it's something that people will be crying out for and very happy for you to say. but is the reality that you'll have to raise taxes across the board ? raise taxes across the board? >> no, in fact, that that's the approach the conservatives have taken, which is why we've got this enormous tax burden that's hitting people on low and middle incomes. that's not going . to be incomes. that's not going. to be labour's approach. and when you look at how we're paying for our policies, what we are doing is doing is raising money in a fairer way than the conservatives, because we know that the tax burden on working people is too high. we're not going to pick the pockets of working people in the way that the tories have. but where we do need to raise money for good labour policies, it's going after people who've got broader shoulders and who aren't paying their fair share. and that will that will be labour's approach if we win the next general election. >> yeah, i just worry that there isn't that, strong enough evidence to suggest that you're going to raise enough to be able to pay for these 44,000 new appointments, but also on these

nhs scanners. now, there's a little bit of confusion. i hope you can put us right on this. so you can put us right on this. so you say you're going to double the number of nhs scanners. fantastic. that's great. you say it's going to cost about £171 million a year. now the treasury estimates currently say that it would cost £1 billion a year. so which which one is it? can you clear that up for us? >> yeah. just to be clear , you >> yeah. just to be clear, you know, jeremy hunt spent an entire day of his life in government the other day coming up with totally bogus figures to attack the labour party. and as attack the labour party. and as a former permanent secretary of the of the treasury, nick macpherson and an independent member of the house of lords, said just the other day you put rubbish in, which is what the conservative special advisers did with their assumptions, and you get rubbish out. which are these totally bogus. >> so it's 171. where does that figure come from? 171 million. >> yes, i, i, i enabled i enabled scanners that will mean that we can get those waiting

lists down faster. and we don't rely on conservative special advisers for our costings. rely on conservative special advisers for our costings . we advisers for our costings. we consult think tanks, we consult experts so that our figures are robust. and that's how we get to policies that are fully costed and fully funded. and i think it's been an appalling spectacle this week, actually, that given how little time these guys have got left before the general election, we had esther mcvey spending an entire day talking about rainbow lanyards and a few government offices , an entire government offices, an entire day of the chancellor of the exchequer talking about labour's costings. why don't they pull their finger out and do their job instead of, you know, carping the opposition ? it feels carping the opposition? it feels to me like we're taking the job of being ready for government very seriously. they're preparing for opposition. >> where's your guilty of your guilty of throwing mud? just as much as the conservatives are? i mean, last time we spoke it was about that tweet. it was about that tweet to susan hall's supporters, wasn't it was saying that a vote for susan hall at the labour mayoral elections was a vote for, you know, racist and islamophobes and all of this

that was potentially tarnishing millions of voters in london who are just fed up of sadiq khan's record on some things . record on some things. >> no. >> no. >> absolutely not. politics. isn't it really big enough ? isn't it really big enough? >> no. sadiq is big enough and ugly enough to take criticism. if people don't like him or don't like his policies, we've not, you know, we'll disagree on that. but that's totally legit. in a, in a democracy, what what sadiq has faced , i think, is an sadiq has faced, i think, is an unprecedented barrage of racism and prejudice. as the mayor of london, that's what i was calling out and, and i don't think susan hall is racist. i don't think she's a white supremacist. i don't think she's an islamophobe. but just has faced all of those things. i think she's been silent to the point. i think she's been silent to the point of complicity . to the point of complicity. where is that? >> that tweet was a mistake. >> that tweet was a mistake. >> party has got a problem. >> party has got a problem. >> tweet was a mistake. that tweet was a mistake, wasn't it? >> no. look people people disagree with it. i stand by it .

disagree with it. i stand by it. was by no means attacking conservative voters. i spend a lot of time trying to appeal to conservative voters, to back labour at the general election. but what i what i do stand very strongly against is that that kind of bile and prejudice being directed against sadiq for no other reason than he's a muslim. you know, we didn't when boris johnson was mayor, when ken livingstone was mayor, they didn't have the degree of security and police protection that sadiq has to keep him and his family safe and alive. that's the kind of threat he's up against. >> i just worry that you offended potentially millions of people. some of that out you potentially offended millions of people with by just throwing around islamophobe, white supremacist, racist and the like. but there you go. just to finish you've you've said the bma in the past, the union, the medical union have been a bit hostile to some of the things you've said about nhs reform, the use of private facilities and the like . how worried are and the like. how worried are you about, telling nhs staff that they need to work evenings and weekends and things? do you think you're going to have a battle on your hands there ?

battle on your hands there? >> no, i don't actually , because >> no, i don't actually, because we're taking an approach that's been tried and tested in a small number of hospitals in big cities, and we want to work everywhere. this would be entirely up to staff , whether entirely up to staff, whether they join in or not. but all of they join in or not. but all of the evidence we've seen so far suggests there will be people able and willing to put in a bit of extra time and being paid fairly for it at evenings and weekends, so no rewriting of contracts. i don't think this is going to be a battle at all. >> so no writing of contracts. >> so no writing of contracts. >> this will be up to staff. okay no we will not be forcing staff to do it. it will be, it will be. and i think staff will opt to do it. >> okay. well thank you very much indeed for your time. great. back and forth. wes streeting the shadow health secretary and labour mp for ilford north. well, thanks to wes. now in just a minute i'll be asking the forum for former foreign secretary sir malcolm rifkind, who's in the studio with me. how committed should britain be in supporting ukraine in its war against russia?

us. well, welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news with me. emily carver. now, i'm delighted to say former foreign secretary sir malcolm rifkind is still with me in the studio . you still with me in the studio. you were listening along to those couple of interviews sunday morning . morning. >> yes, yes. >>- >> yes, yes. >> your sunday morning. a grant shapps there when i asked him about this mail on sunday exclusive about how we don't we may may not have enough aircraft for this, parachute regiment d—day jump up. he seems to think that everything will be okay on the day i remember attending, when i was defence secretary, the normandy d—day landing ceremony, way back in 1994. >> and people produced the same sort of predictions about problems here, problems there . problems here, problems there. grant shapps. will make sure there are aircraft and the parachutists will do what they're meant to do. >> well, he's clearly got a got an enemy in the parachute

regiment. no this source saying that the lack of aircraft is an inqu that the lack of aircraft is an insult to those who made the ultimate sacrifice. >> what they have is a perfectly legitimate quote from an individual who was told that there was some guy in the ministry of defence who said, oh, we can only give you one aircraft, and that has become the issue. secretary of state. that's part of his job, hears about it and he's sorting it out. good. that's i'm very pleased to hear. >> but i guess the bigger picture is really if we look to ukraine, huge amounts of military support , lots of aid military support, lots of aid going over to that country in their fight against the russian invasion. looking at all the talk of increased defence spending and then seeing that we may not have enough aircraft of the specific type that we need for this commemoration, please get this. it paints a picture. it paints a picture of poor performance in the defence ministry. >> please get this in perspective, apart from the united states and china and russia, britain has a larger

defence budget literally than any other country in the world. now, the reason why we, despite that, have regular problems is that, have regular problems is that unlike many countries, we want to make sure that if we're ever involved in a war, we win. so we wish to purchase the best aircraft , the best tanks, the aircraft, the best tanks, the best frigates, the state of the art stuff, and they're a damn sight more expensive. and what's more, if it takes several years to build them, to construct them dunng to build them, to construct them during that time, the technology is improving and they're becoming even more expensive . becoming even more expensive. >> so no problems in terms of recruitment? >> no, no , i didn't say that >> no, no, i didn't say that there are problems. what i'm saying is they are the problems because we insist on our troops, army, navy and air force having the best opportunity both to protect their own lives and to win wars that they may have to be involved in. now we take so much care on that. of course, thatis much care on that. of course, that is a very expensive way of carrying out your defence requirements, but it's what the british public would expect, and rightly so. >> and how much do you think britain should be spending on defence?

>> well, i a substantially more than we were at the end of the cold war, because inevitably the level of defence expenditure has to reflect the threats that you are facing now . since putin are facing now. since putin decided to go and become extremely aggressive. it began in 2014 with the annexation of crimea. but people like to believe that was a one off. when he then invaded ukraine in a very big way, and he's been acting in an aggressive fashion in other parts of what used to be the soviet union, the old russian empire, then the rest of the world has to sit up. and of course, we've seen how finland and sweden join nato after being neutral for over 150 years, because they share the same assessment that we do, and that the rest of nato does. >> and the ukrainian president has come out to say the world is to blame for russia's recent advances. what would you say to that? is the world to blame? are we not doing enough? because a lot of people watching this programme will say, we've got

huge challenges in this country. there must be a limit to the amount, i don't know. >> president zelenskyy used the word the world. i'd like to see the context in which he said that because he's a very realistic sort of guy, but he feels like he doesn't have enough support, doesn't he? he's getting a huge amount of support . but of course, there has been a problem. there has been the problem in the united states, not the president biden's fault, but the republicans in congress holding up huge supplies of aid. they eventually allowed it to go through , but precious months through, but precious months were lost. and that is a problem . there are problems also in ukraine itself because until very recently, ukraine, unlike russia, was relying on volunteers. all the people, all the ukrainians fighting in their armed forces were actually volunteers. now that's put an intense pressure on these individuals, hardly getting leave. so they've now introduced conscription . that will also conscription. that will also mean they can increase the size of their army and do remember, ukraine compared to russia, is a relatively small country. it is remarkable what they have achieved. so far. and if they are at the moment facing as they

are at the moment facing as they are serious pressure on their borders from the russian troops, do remember the beginning of this war. the russians had almost reached kyiv the capital city, and the ukrainians, who had far fewer supplies than they have now, were able to turn the tide. so they are pretty remarkable people, and they remain remarkable people defending their own country's very existence . very existence. >> and earlier this week, quite the spectacle. vladimir putin's state visit in china. they were talking about how they were the ones to uphold the democratic order around the world. a double speak. but, looking at that meeting , what we all thought, meeting, what we all thought, well, it always amuses me when dictators claim to be better democrats than anybody else. >> and they did. well what they're really doing is paying a tribute to our values, to democracy . they know that their democracy. they know that their own legitimacy either doesn't exist or is very imperfect, because the public have not chosen them as their leaders. neither putin nor xi jinping, they're dictators in in every

sense that we would normally use that expression , but they still that expression, but they still have to pretend that they're democratic . so you have these democratic. so you have these phoney elections in russia with nobody allowed to stand against putin except those who already agreed with him. >> and, earlier we were talking about the trouble at the heart of the israeli government in terms of what their plan may or may not be, for gaza following the offensive. would you what are your thoughts on the growing calls for some kind of, gaza palestinian refugee scheme in this country? because 50 granted labour mostly labour mps and peers have written a letter saying there should be some kind of family resettlement scheme. we know in scotland humza yousaf is very for such a scheme. what would you say to that? >> i think that's a very risky and dangerous initiative to contemplate the people who would most like gazans to leave gaza are the extreme right

nationalists in israel and not netanyahu on this issue, people even to the right of him , they even to the right of him, they want gaza cleared of palestinians. now, the whole idea that the rest of the world, it's up to the people of gaza, where did they wish to live? and most people wish to continue living in their own home, in their own territory, in peaceful. >> the argument is that their lives are at risk every day and therefore , for many of them may therefore, for many of them may wish to move to another country for refuge. >> time will tell, but the you cannot actually have either the united kingdom or any other country being a refuge for hundreds of millions of people who are got caught up in wars in various parts of the world. it's an absurd suggestion , ian. there an absurd suggestion, ian. there may be individuals whose personal circumstances give them some claim to see britain as an alternative home. that must be treated humanely and sympathetically, but not as a general proposition. >> and i'm sure the majority of the british public would probably , want our own national probably, want our own national security to take a premise. and

of course, there are many challenges on the public purse as it is, and housing, of course, as sir malcolm rifkind very interesting to speak to you.thank very interesting to speak to you. thank you so much for coming into the studio and for beanng coming into the studio and for bearing with us as things chopped and changed. but coming up next, i'll be joined by tory mp lia nicky and getting to the bottom of why she is supposedly more reform than the reform party.

well, it's 1032. welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news with me . emily carver. now, news with me. emily carver. now, i'm delighted to be joined by leah nietzsche , the conservative leah nietzsche, the conservative mp for great grimsby and former assistant whip under liz truss's administration . lee leah, sorry. administration. lee leah, sorry. thank you so much for coming on the show today. now we've got you on because you've had some extraordinary comments recently.

you've said, i'm probably more reform than most reform candidates , to be honest, why candidates, to be honest, why did you say that , leah? did you say that, leah? >> because i think it's true , >> because i think it's true, i'm i'm what i would call a traditional conservative, a traditional conservative, a traditional northern conservative. and i believe that, quite often, systems across the country don't work for people. and i see it as my job because majority of my constituents feel the same way to make sure i'm pushing the government in the direction that we want to see the country going. >> but you're not you're not, tempted to join lee anderson over as a as a reform mp ? over as a as a reform mp? >> no, i'm not i respect what, lee lee decided to do, but, i think reform are a very, very good, pressure group , but i good, pressure group, but i don't think that they have the ability to be a serious contender for running the

country, but that doesn't mean to say that i don't agree with some of the things that they that they say. i don't agree with all of them. but, you know, in order to influence government influence, what changes in the country you've got to be, you know, in, in, within the system to fight from within the system and not just from without the system. so, i'm a conservative. always have been. >> it was a it was grant shapps, actually, who we spoke to a little bit earlier in the show, who , reportedly was telling who, reportedly was telling prospective candidates and, and those looking to win their seat again, or at least campaign their seat again to, to fight on on their personality as an individual rather than under the tory banner. so basically, don't be so obvious about the fact you're a tory. go on. your personality is that what you're planning to do? you went a bit further and said you were a form i >> -- >> well, -_ >> well, i'm m >> well, i'm not sure i've got much hope. then have i really i know, i just i'm just, you know, an ordinary, working class northern person, i say it as i

see it. i think most people in places like grimsby do. i've always felt when i watch politicians on tv, they never answered a question directly. and that's infuriating . you and that's infuriating. you there to do a job, you're there to give people confidence. you working for them and representing them properly. so, that's what i try to do. i try to be honest and i'm tough . i'm to be honest and i'm tough. i'm tough all the way up to cabinet members and the prime minister if it needs to be. >> so you're not bothered, by perhaps how, rishi sunak might view this? he would have seen this headline and thought, oh, god, surely , surely not. god, surely, surely not. >> i'd have said, oh no, liar again , you know, i, i work again, you know, i, i work closely with, the prime minister's, team, i don't pull any punches, you know, i'm lucky enough because obviously i was parliamentary private secretary to boris johnson that i do get access to senior politicians, like the prime minister and have honest conversations. i've had honest conversations. i've had honest conversations. i've had honest conversations with him about immigration, about, what

people in grimsby feel. you know, that's my job to represent , the constituency. what's your sense? >> what's your sense of what the top priority is for your constituents at the moment? you say you're more reform than reform. so is it immigration?! mean , that's what reform have mean, that's what reform have been talking about the most. i would say immigration is one of them, but obviously it's cost of living, it's crime, you know , living, it's crime, you know, but what people have got to understand is that it works both ways . if we're understand is that it works both ways. if we're going to understand is that it works both ways . if we're going to reduce ways. if we're going to reduce immigration in the way that we want to . and i spoke with the want to. and i spoke with the prime minister's team and the immigration ministers , you know, immigration ministers, you know, last autumn and said you've got to halve at least this year and we want to see it continue, with, with regard to legal migration. but on the flip side, that means people who are at home and perhaps deciding not to study more or want to stay at home and, and think about claiming benefits, actually, we need to mobilise the british population to get good skills and to get those jobs that are out there. there are 900,000

vacancies out there . we vacancies out there. we shouldn't have anybody who's not working. and i'm a great advocate of encouraging people who've had long term disabilities to get back into work , i think it's great for work, i think it's great for people to get onto the career ladden people to get onto the career ladder. it's really good for social skills. it's really for good us aspiring. >> i'm always struck by always struck by the statistics on how many young people are out of work and on out of work benefits, particularly for mental health. it is not a great state of affairs. i know the government does want to do something about that, and is trying to get people back into work. just lastly, chris heaton—harris, stepping down at the next election. i think that makes him the 64th, 65th, conservative mp to say that they won't run again, what does that say about rishi sunak's leadership? >> well, i think when you look at any general election, there are lots of people that do stand down. and when you look at the majority of people that are looking to stand down, they've been members of parliament for a very long time, it's a tough

job, you get , you know, a lot of job, you get, you know, a lot of pubuc job, you get, you know, a lot of public exposure. it's very demanding . and i think people demanding. and i think people just make the choice that actually, perhaps it's time to do something different. so i don't think we should be reading too much into it, really. >> and leah, just very lastly, i did say lastly before, but very lastly, nadhim zahawi , a former lastly, nadhim zahawi, a former chancellor in the press, saying it was it was the wrong decision to oust boris johnson , would you to oust boris johnson, would you agree, considering where the conservatives now are in the polls , i've always been polls, i've always been a supporter of boris, i think, actually it was the parliamentary party who really should have thought long and hard about what they did. i mean, nadhim at the time, .you know, did talk to boris, i understand and encouraged him to resign. so i'm not quite sure, where that is, you know, is coming from he knows boris very well, but the reality is, is that the party should have thought about the country, what the people wanted in the country and spend a little time as

possible gazing at their navels to decide what they want to do. we're here to do a job for our constituents, not to grow our careers. that isn't what i went into politics for. i wanted to do things for grimsby. >> yes, nadhim zahawi did say that perhaps, conservative politicians had been looking at social too media, much during that time, and perhaps got a warped view of what the country, where the country was with it all, but who knows? leonii. thank you very much indeed for joining us. conservative mp for great grimsby and former assistant whip under liz truss's administration. well, up next, after a busy week across the channelin after a busy week across the channel in france, are we witnessing the start of france spiralling out of control? we've had huge amounts of shocking news out of there. we've got a prison break, we've got two prison break, we've got two prison officers shot dead, we've got an arson, attempted arson attack on a synagogue. i'll be joined by doctor jean messiha, joined by doctorjean messiha, who will share his diagnosis on

the current situation under macron's administration. you won't want to miss

well, it's 1043. welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news with me. emily carver now, richard tice the leader of reform uk and gb news presenter, of course, is covering for michael portillo after this show ends, michael, michael. michael portillo after this show ends, michael , michael. sorry, ends, michael, michael. sorry, richard. what have you got up on your show? >> good morning. emily. yes? it's, i'm standing in for michael this week. he's got a well—earned day off, we've got some interesting debates, actually. emmy, emily, vat on school fees , the rights and school fees, the rights and wrongs of that. then also the weight loss drugs that has obviously hit the news this week. who's going to pay for them? that is a really interesting topic. likewise cyclists, should they face the same penalties, big debate here as motorists as sadly we hear of people who have been killed by

cyclists and then another big football debate. emily, is the whole video assistant referee. should we bin it? whole video assistant referee. should we bin it ? should we keep should we bin it? should we keep it? should we amend it? and of course we must have michael's culture with, with stefan kyriazis, the theatre critic, looking at all of that. and what did you think, emily, of the royal portrait? good miss me. that has set tongues wagging all of that. and did you know, emily? my favourite. it's national doughnut week. >> oh. is it? yes. well, i didn't know that i was going to say don't ask me about the var. ihave say don't ask me about the var. i have absolutely no opinion , i have absolutely no opinion, but i will listen to try and form one, to try and form one. i'll listen to that debate and see what i think at the end of it. >> excellent, fantastic and look forward to the doughnuts. we'll be tasting some fantastic doughnuts and it's british sandwich week. all of this sort of food, food envy you'll be getting on this show . of food, food envy you'll be getting on this show. emily. >> yes, well, i'm starting to get hungry now with just a bit longer on the show. thank you so much. richard tice in for michael portillo. he'll be on

straight after this show ends , straight after this show ends, but with me in the studio is patrick o'flynn . and, what shall patrick o'flynn. and, what shall we talk about? let's talk about, that discussion that we just had with leah nietzsche , saying that with leah nietzsche, saying that she's more reform than reform . i she's more reform than reform. i mean, it's not overly helpful, is it, for rishi sunak. mean, it's not overly helpful, is it, for rishi sunak . but it is it, for rishi sunak. but it may be helpful for her campaign. >> yeah, i think she's fixated on trying to hold her own seat, and it's, it's quite a smart line to say, because i presume she's hoping it will persuade some some tory voters from 2019 who are thinking of jumping to reform that in fact, they can stick with her because she's not like the other conservatives, not like the others. but then again, under pressure from you, she admitted she didn't support all of their agenda. so for instance, i don't suppose she would support leaving the european, convention of human rights or she certainly supporting a party that's not committed to that. so it's a little bit fake. but, you know, she came across very well and she's obviously a woman of the people, perhaps a female

counterpart to leander. and, but but with lee, you know, he's as reformist reform because he's now a reform mp. she's still conservative. >> and your thoughts on, yet another senior conservative mp saying that they're going to stand down at the next election, don't fancy running again. this is chris heaton—harris, of course, that we're talking about. what do you think that's all about? well, they always have their own reason. they always say, oh, i've been in politics for a while, but i think if you're the electorate and you're standing back and you're looking at it in the round, an awful lot of conservative mps standing down tells you, and i think fairly, that there's defeatism in the ranks. >> they don't expect to be in government or anywhere near. they think it's a long road back and that radiates a kind of negativity. and they're beaten already, which is far from ideal if you're rishi sunak trying to muster up some morale and energy so bad news story. >> yes. and i don't know about you, but, i wasn't entirely 100% convinced that wesknows

absolutely, 100% for sure, that he'll be able to pay for all of these extra appointments with these extra appointments with the non—dom and the tax avoidance, but other sources of funding , i.e. taxes on on most funding, i.e. taxes on on most of us will will plug the gap taxes and more borrowing perhaps, is the obvious alternative to the non—dom, but thank you. patrick o'flynn, spectator columnist and former ukip mep . now, following what ukip mep. now, following what has been a turbulent week of events over in france, doctor jean messiha, economist and french european parliamentary candidate for the reconquete party, joins me now live from paris to share the latest from across the channel, doctor jean, thank you very much indeed for joining us. there has been pretty catastrophic news coming from the republic, this week , from the republic, this week, let's start with this man hunt, that i believe is still ongoing. the hunt for this man nicknamed the fly, where are we with that?

where is france with that ? where is france with that? >> well, actually, this man is tracked by all the national police forces and security forces. even abroad , because an forces. even abroad, because an international warrant arrest. has been, made by the french government . so, maybe this, government. so, maybe this, criminal is abroad now. and if it is the case, we have now the legal tool, to repatriate him and, take him to court in france, but beside behind this, case, i, i, as you know, there is two people, two, officers that had been killed in this attack and three other seriously injured, this poses a problem of the security, national security in france and also national security related to the

immigration issue , because the immigration issue, because the fly is himself, an immigrant from origin. and the people who made him escaped also are immigrants . made him escaped also are immigrants. so, i know that all the leftist parties here do not want to see this link between the increasing of the insecurity in france, leading to this type of attack, which are historical in france and france, barely witnessed this kind of attack, which only in the movies american movies, we see this, not in france. and all this is related to a climate of , general related to a climate of, general insecurity, general criminality , insecurity, general criminality, added by a huge tidal wave of immigration here in france, which we try to, solve, but , to which we try to, solve, but, to solve when the problem. >> it's interesting. it's interesting that you mention,

immigration, because because in the netherlands, we also saw this week and i'm sure you're on top of all of this, geert wilders , known for being the wilders, known for being the hard right candidate. he has formed a coalition and he's come out very , very strongly on what out very, very strongly on what he wants to see. he wants to come out of all the eu migration pacts. he wants to completely change the asylum policy. he wants to deport people as they arrive, do you see there being a huge battle between the netherlands and also eurosceptics in france as well, over migration? how do you see that panning out? >> yes. you know, the problem the european peoples will face, on june the 9th, for the vote is a civilisation issue because you know, all what is related to economic issue and social issue. those issue can be solved by a strategy, fiscal strategy ,

strategy, fiscal strategy, budgetary strategy in three, four, five years. but the identity of a country , when it identity of a country, when it is lost, it is lost forever. identity of a country, when it is lost, it is lost forever . and is lost, it is lost forever. and i'm talking to you as an egyptian native coptic orthodox, which has this his ancestors, lost , do you which has this his ancestors, lost, do you think which has this his ancestors, lost , do you think france which has this his ancestors, lost, do you think france has lost, do you think france has lost doctor jean? >> do you think france has lost its its national identity, or do you think the french government has done a bad job in terms of integrating people from different countries? i mean, where do you where do you stand? >> you know, i myself have i am issued for an immigration which is, which was very low and when the when the immigration regards individuals, those individuals can be assimilated can be integrated. you can integrate people, you can integrate individuals, but you can create whole peoples coming with their

culture, with their civilisation, with their way of lives. this is impossible. and besides, what french elites and european elites don't want, neither to integrate, they encourage them to believe what they are. they they they encourage them to believe to remain and to dwell by their roots, not to integrate the french nation, because those elites actually hate the, the, the french national identity . the french national identity. all. what explains what it happens now in europe and in france in particularly it can be explained by the hatred of ourselves, which is provided by ourselves, which is provided by our elites . okay. and, just our elites. okay. and, just lastly , what's happened in lastly, what's happened in rouen, with this attempted arson attack on a synagogue , there attack on a synagogue, there have been concerns about anti—semitism on the rise in france for many years now. is it coming to a head ?

coming to a head? >> you know, this is also a problem of immigration. the anti—semitism was severely tackled in france after world war two, and the discovery of the horrors of the holocaust and all the historical anti—semitism , was, was put down for for, decades. but unfortunately, due to the massive tidal wave of immigration, mainly of them coming from arab or islamic countries, we witness a, a reappearance of, of the anti—semitism on of, on our territory. so what happened in rouenis territory. so what happened in rouen is not the single example we have a huge anti—semitism coming back, i should say that anti—semitism is one of those things that unfortunately , can things that unfortunately, can be from any sector of society. >> but i take your point , >> but i take your point, particularly in light of this, october the 7th and everything

that's past that, it has increased. certainly. doctor jean messiha, great to speak to you.thank jean messiha, great to speak to you. thank you so much for coming on the show. very interesting indeed. and thank you to all of my guests today, tune in next sunday at 930 for another 90 minutes of punchy politics with camilla tominey. she'll be back , but richard tice she'll be back, but richard tice is up next, so stay tuned . is up next, so stay tuned. >> for a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good morning and welcome to your gb news weather update from the met office. a murky start for some of us, but there's going to be plenty of warm sunshine around. perhaps just the odd isolated shower. so through this morning, a murky start for some, especially across central and southeast england, that cloud should generally break up by mid—morning. generally break up by mid—morning . cloudier across mid—morning. cloudier across parts of scotland, especially along that east coast where we hold on to quite a lot of low

cloud. but elsewhere , plenty of cloud. but elsewhere, plenty of sunshine on offer. perhaps the odd shower developing, especially across parts of the south west, but otherwise it is going to be feeling very warm in that sunshine with highs up to 24, possibly 25 degrees, but feeling much cooler across scotland and especially down that eastern coast of northeastern england. so taking a look into this evening, plenty of late evening sunshine to end the weekend, the odd shower possible across devon and cornwall, but most places are staying dry. perhaps a few showers developing across dumfries and galloway and for parts of scotland but further west. a dry evening. a lot of low cloud, though still lingering, especially across eastern parts. that's where it's going to be feeling cooler throughout. much of sunday. and then as we go into the evening, very a dry picture is on offer. low cloud once again though, coming in from the north sea and moving its way inland to give a murky start. but for east, for western parts it is going to be

turning a little bit chillier, especially in any rural parts. but otherwise holding up at around 10 or 11 degrees to start monday morning. so that does leave a lot of low cloud around once again to start monday morning. so a bit of a murky start for rush hour. but that low cloud should lift and break and burn its way back towards coastal areas to leave another largely fine and dry day . a few largely fine and dry day. a few showers will bubble up across parts of northern ireland, but otherwise temperatures around 20, possibly up to 22 degrees. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of

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>> and a very good morning and welcome to portillo. but he's not here. he's on holiday this week. so i'm with you, richard tice. for the next two hours. we've got some great debates. we've got some great debates. we've got some great debates. we've got a bit of culture and world affairs. hopefully to brighten up your sunday. now, new research this week has revealed that private schools have already hiked their fees in preparation for the labour party's vat proposals. should they win the next election. but have they already backfired before they've even begun? i'll before they've even begun? i'll be discussing this with an expert panel. also, the weight loss drugs were govee a zenpix vendon loss drugs were govee a zenpix vendor. they've been hailed as the wonder drugs as they ushered in a new era on the war on obesity. but are we becoming a bit lazy when signing up for these quick fix fat busting methods? what are the side effects and who benefits actually the most when these drugs are now not available via the nhs? should they be? shouldn't they be? that's the big question. what are the pharmacies going to do? like

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