just like the men. >> big pharma and the obese are going to bankrupt the nhs. a french town has removed the union jack from its d—day celebrations , as the uk should celebrations, as the uk should not welcome palestinian refugees. >> and why we must make sure that kids still get sex and relationship education. >> it's 6 pm. and this is the saturday five. welcome along to the saturday five. you lovely lot. tyson fury. he's fighting for the world heavyweight title later tonight. and there'll be plenty of fury with a side order of rage and anger in here, too. and i can't rule out a few punches being thrown as well. no, i'll be tonight. punches being thrown as well. no, i'll be tonight . but eco no, i'll be tonight. but eco warrior benjamin butterworth is back from his latest middle east trip. it's amazing how far you can get on a pedalo these days, andifs

can get on a pedalo these days, and it's been a shocking six hours since ben leo was last on the channel so as per his contract, he's here as well and keeping order. we have two great guests, the gp and medical writer, doctor renee and the broadcaster and media commentator paula london. you know the drill . we each briefly know the drill. we each briefly give our view on an issue and then everyone weighs in and the fists are flying. and of course we want to know your views as well. send your views and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay but before we start tearing each other apart, it is saturday night news with sophia wenzler. >> darren. thank you. good evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. thousands of people can now safely drink their tap water again following a parasite outbreak south west water has today reduced the boil water notice in the brixham area following all clear test results. the number of confirmed

cases of cryptosporidium in the brixham area is 46, but the water company has confirmed it is now safe for around 14,500 households in the ahlsten supply area to use their tap water as normal, but they're still advising around 2500 properties in hillhead upper parts of brixham and kingswear to continue to boil their drinking water before consuming it. meanwhile olympian dame kelly holmes has joined protesters today demonstrating about poor water quality. 37 protests are taking place in places including brighton, falmouth and edinburgh. water companies say they're spending more than £14 billion this year to protect waterways in england and wales. but campaigners emma jackson and emma pattinson are demanding tougher action. >> we want you to do something about the contamination of destroying our riverway and local governments , national local governments, national governments in safeguarding clean water, shepperton open

water swim is a body of clean water. it naturally cleanses itself. the river testing that we've done versus the water testing of the lake shows five times over the levels that the environment agency would act as safeguarding . safeguarding. >> in other news, pro—palestinian protesters have been holding a demonstration in central london against the conflict in gaza. there are worries about a lack of aid there , despite a new american there, despite a new american built floating pier where suppues built floating pier where supplies can be shipped in. but campaigners say it's not enough . campaigners say it's not enough. meanwhile, israeli troops say they've destroyed 70 militant targets in its latest operations in rafah and jabalia, the largest refugee camp in the region . it comes after the region. it comes after the bodies of three israeli hostages were recovered from gaza on friday. israel says it believes 100 hostages are still alive. their families of hostages have been holding a news conference in tel aviv, calling for their return. >> the war must be stopped at once and the hostages must be rescued . war cabinet members

rescued. war cabinet members stop the expansion of the rafah operation and secure a hostage release deal. >> now our family members are being raped in captivity. they are being starved and tortured . are being starved and tortured. why do you allow netanyahu to continue sabotaging the hostage release deal negotiations? why do you remain silent in the face of his actions ? why do you not of his actions? why do you not come out and tell the public, as galant has done, how netanyahu tirelessly takes action to sabotage the hostage release deal ? deal? >> now, ed davey has told the scottish liberal democrats spnng scottish liberal democrats spring conference that it's up to the party to get the conservatives and snp out of office in westminster and holyrood , with a general holyrood, with a general election due to be held this yeah he election due to be held this year. he urged supporters to make it a once in a generation ballot by electing a whole new generation of liberal democrat mps . mps. >> conservatives and the nationalists have failed for far too long. they both have to go

too long. they both have to go to conference. there couldn't be a bigger contrast between these out—of—touch, uncaring governments when compared to the work of my friends and colleagues in the liberal democrats in westminster, in holyrood , and frankly, in every holyrood, and frankly, in every part of our country, strong local champions working hard for their communities. yes but also leading the charge on national issues to the condition of slovakia's prime minister has been described as stable but serious. >> after he was shot five times at point blank range. 59 year old robert fico underwent another two hours of surgery yesterday. the man accused of attempting to assassinate him on wednesday has appeared in court, with officials suggesting the attack was politically motivated and tyson fury says boxing fans should expect fireworks when he takes on oleksandr usyk tonight as they finally go head to head to become the undisputed world heavyweight boxing champion .

heavyweight boxing champion. both fighters, undefeated at professional level, had to be separated by security at an eventful weigh in last night. fury's final interview before the showdown had so many expletives. it's not broadcastable around 3000 british fight fans have travelled to saudi arabia for tonight's clash . and for the tonight's clash. and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gbnews.com slash alerts. now it's back to the saturday five. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes and i can promise you're for in a very lively hour. we're going to crack on with tonight's first debate. i'm going to kick us off now. britain's have reacted with fury after the union jack appeared to have been removed by french officials celebrating the anniversary of d—day. 80 years

in a french town in normandy. pictures from previous years actually show that the button depicting all of the nations involved served in the allied response to the nazis , obviously response to the nazis, obviously occupying france in the town of carentan. now, now the union flag isn't present. it isn't there anymore. now i'm asking there anymore. now i'm asking the question is this do you think this is a post—brexit snub because it's been in there in years gone by the king's going to be there in normandy. he's he's announced despite, you know, being ill and fighting cancen know, being ill and fighting cancer, he will make the decision has made the decision to go there. i wonder is that is that all the other flags as of today. that all the other flags as of today . so american flag is on today. so american flag is on there. and the, the canadian flag is well, it's a clear snub . flag is well, it's a clear snub. >> what's their excuse? what's their response? >> we haven't as far as i'm aware, we haven't heard one. >> one thing i know for sure is

that europe and including the french, they hate the uk. they hate our decision to leave the european union. they can't believe we've left their gravy train club and they think we're a bunch of lager louts. do you not think that they always hated us even before brexit? >> they better than us. yeah. do you not think, though, that they would look at the fact that this is commemorations of the rescue, the liberation of their nation by selfless englishmen and british men and women? >> i think we're so far past the memory of that that they now realise that they actually hate everything we stand for, and they'll do everything within their power to get rid of every last remnant. >> that's i thought they would be happier with us as well, because a lot of the asylum seekers are now coming to england that they didn't want in france. >> half £1 billion. >> half £1 billion. >> yeah, they should be more grateful. so i don't know why they hate us even more than eve r. >> even >> now they can afford to give everyone in france a union flag, with the amount of giving us a pat on the back. >> thanks to all the money, and

we're not even doing much, by the way. >> good point. about the half £1 billion because the sun i've mentioned every week they did a great expose about french border patrol. instead of stopping dinghies crossing the channel, going off to working men's club and sinking shots and actually sir keir starmer plan about stopping the boats, which relies on closer relations with the european union, is doomed before it even begins, because they don't want to work with us. as i said, they hate us. they'd rather migrants come to the uk because it affects everything. that's great about us, quite frankly, and they're not inclined to help us. so it's no surprise that they didn't wind up money, though. >> like a lot of countries, they hate us, but they're taking a lot of money for doing nothing. >> but don't forget, macron's got an election coming up, and for him, he has to be seen to not be allowing migrants into the country. so it suits him to let them come. it suits him to let them come. it suits him to let them come. it suits him to let the french forget that we even exist. and i think that's what liz truss got into a lot of hot water, benjamin, because she had said, it's debateable whether this state of france is an ally or , or an enemy, and she an ally or, or an enemy, and she got a lot of stick for that, essentially. i mean, do you think this is a sign of a friendly neighbour? >> i mean, i couldn't care less about what's on some bunty in a

town that most people haven't heard of. and i suspect it's not some grand state. terrible. well i really don't. >> i remove the union flag and not. you should remove remove the union united states flag or the union united states flag or the canadian flag, obviously. >> well, as canadian family of mine, i'm happy to have that there. but you shouldn't remove there. but you shouldn't remove the union flag, obviously, but i really don't think it's some grand reflection from some, you know, village 70 odd years later. but look, the question about liz truss, you know, the idea that, you know, the way that you sit here and constantly attack france and then go, oh , attack france and then go, oh, why don't they like us? well, maybe it's because of that. you know, little englanders , small know, little englanders, small minded attitude to just constantly bash your neighbours. france is our closest neighbour geographically , and one of our geographically, and one of our most essential neighbours on the world stage. we agree on the vast majority of things. >> a lot of french are very snobby, though i think they're better than british people. they've often been like that. when i visited france i haven't felt welcome. >> i think a lot of countries feel that way about the british. quite frankly. we might we might need a dose of self—awareness on how we behave in that way. but look, the idea that you somehow

are being a patriot by attacking countries that are overwhelmingly allied to our interests and support. >> i feel more illusions. >> i feel more illusions. >> it'sjust >> i feel more illusions. >> it's just farcical. >> it's just farcical. >> it's just farcical. >> i lie to our interests . they >> i lie to our interests. they allow migrants and there will be islamists among them to come to our shores uninhibited, uninhibited and arrive here when we have asked for their parts and received money for doing this, we've given them half £1 billion. they also, throughout the eu negotiations, basically treat us like we were an enemy state that had just lost a war. >> we chose that. and thirdly, no, hang on. thirdly, you just said you just said during eu negotiations they treated us badly. we chose to make ourselves. we also are their biggest export. that was a legitimate democratic decision. but we chose to be against the club for which france is central to. so why would you expect them to. so why would you expect them to be kind? >> because they hadn't just been nice in the war. no it's not. they hadn't just beaten us in a war. right. this was a this was a decision by the british people to say, we are going to leave your club, but we still want to be friends with you. and the

french said, up yours, delors . french said, up yours, delors. basically give us two fingers. >> if i left and went to talk tv, god rest his soul, i don't think anyone watched it. it used to be. it used to be a tv channel. and if i went there, you would. obviously, you know, treat me as an outsider. you would compete aggressively. that's what happens . and that's that's what happens. and that's what the uk did with the eu. so i think it's childish to be surprised by that behaviour. >> but if you had liberated me from a war, from talk tv, from a war, would i? and i removed the recognition that you had received for helping me in that war. you would be put out by that. you would say, hang on a minute. you know, i gave blood, sweat and tears. >> i mean , can you imagine in >> i mean, can you imagine in the uk if we actually had d—day celebrations without the french flag, where there were multi—country flags ? can you multi—country flags? can you imagine that scenario? >> there'd be an uproar. yeah, there'd be all because they love to protest. there'd be riots in the uk that i, i think it's, it's purile it's silly to take out the union flag, assuming that it was done intentionally and not a mistake.

>> well, how could they just innocently forget that one flag? >> it's quite a nice flag. >> it's quite a nice flag. >> yeah. i mean, look, obviously it's silly, but the idea that this is another excuse to bash the french, to bash one of our most essential allies, a country for which on the vast majority of global decisions, it takes the same conclusion and backs up great britain . i think it's great britain. i think it's a mistake for that. you know, we know that we live in a world where the west is struggling to assert its position in a way that it hasn't for decades. you know, there is a new axis of china, iran and russia . and so china, iran and russia. and so when we face that threat and it is a threat , it's a threat that is a threat, it's a threat that we directly see on our shores. as you just referenced, the idea that we then make mountains out of molehills with france or with germany or with spain is not construct the allies houthi rebels were firing rockets at british ships. >> the french decided to do nothing. there's a reason the aukus deal is there between america, the united kingdom, the united states , and actually to united states, and actually to say to the likes of the french ,

say to the likes of the french, you are allying yourself with wrong'uns. we're going to stand tall in the world. do you not together? >> do you not feel more of an ally to the united states as opposed to europe? because i do, i actually, i see america as our friends and the european union as their own entity . as their own entity. >> i think we should stand up to america a bit more, because they're not showing the loyalty to us that we have to them. >> they will. if trump becomes the president again, we pay far too much attention to domestic us politics, when actually the decisions of places like france and germany have a bigger effect on us. on us. >> on us. >> the migrant crisis being one of those. >> right. okay. who's going to go next then? okay. >> next. oh the newbie newbie. >> next. oh the newbie newbie. >> the newbie. okay. so big pharma have finally found their cash cow. that's going to last forever with ozempic and teaming up with the horizontal challenged in society, which is going to bankrupt the nhs. and whilst i accept that obesity is the biggest healthcare worry that we have in the nhs going forward, it's also the only one that has a non—medical free solution literally at the

fingertips of every obese person. just stop eating ultra processed food, eat less food and move more. it's time for us to teach children about food, educate the public and protect the nhs with personal responsibility. so doctor renee ozempic is billed as the wonder drug , the miracle cure. drug, the miracle cure. >> what are the side effects, though? because i've seen some headunesin though? because i've seen some headlines in recent days, which may be people who take ozempic . may be people who take ozempic. and we'll get on to that there in a second. in this group, who who does take it, what are the side effects that we know of? >> so the ones that we know of and we don't know all of them, the ones that we know of, there's already been some reports of psychosis. yes, there's reports of pancreatitis and if you have pancreatitis, it puts you at high risk of pancreatic cancer. people with thyroid problems are told to not to take it because of thyroid cancer. to take it because of thyroid cancer . it's a to take it because of thyroid cancer. it's a drug for to take it because of thyroid cancer . it's a drug for life cancer. it's a drug for life because when you stop taking it, your appetite comes back. it costs a lot of money. it's going to cost the nhs a fortune if we prescribe it to everyone on the nhs and people are losing their hair, they're vomiting, they have diarrhoea. it is not a nice drug. >> but then people say their

side effects to all drugs though, right? >> yes, true. >> yes, true. >> does anyone here take ozempic? >> well, clearly not me . >> well, clearly not me. >> well, clearly not me. >> i've just started taking it and i think it's fantastic. >> oh, you take it. >> oh, you take it. >> yeah, there's diabetes in my family. >> how does it work? is it a one jab a day or. >> no, it's one jab. you don't even feel it once a week, i took it last year, because i noticed i'd put on a stone, had the injection, loss of stone. very quickly in two months. very easy.i quickly in two months. very easy. i didn't exercise , and it easy. i didn't exercise, and it felt like i had my stomach stapled, like even a slice of toast for breakfast. it felt like i'd had a roast dinner. i had no side effects. and what's very important, i'm a smoker, unfortunately, and i do like a couple of glasses of wine. in the evening, i completely stopped craving alcohol, didn't fancy smoking. so it's wonderful. i mean, if you just have two glasses of wine a day, that could equate to 3500 calories a week, which is a pound , and i paid for it. and of pound, and i paid for it. and of course, £170, which works out £5 a day less than a mcdonald's. so it costs a lot of money to get fat. if you're very fat, you should spend £5 a day to get the weight off because it costs the

nhs 6.5 billion a year. >> so did you. did you get you paid for it privately? of course. yes. can people get it renee on the nhs? >> yes. if you're very overweight as rempe actually isn't licensed for weight loss in the uk. >> but there are other drugs that are the same like krugovi that are the same like krugovi that they can get on the nhs if they get referred to a specialist clinic for obesity. >> paula, can i i'll put a argument to you not saying that i necessarily agree with it, but people would stay at home, stop eating less and just go down the gym. eating less and just go down the gym- why eating less and just go down the gym. why do you need to risk it with a pharmaceutical drug? >> basically they can say what they like. i did used to go to they like. i did used to go to the gym a lot, but at the moment i love reading at home. i love watching the news. i often get up early for shifts, so i, i don't really think as a taxpayer your lifestyle choice shouldn't be done to me, but you're not paying be done to me, but you're not paying for it. i'm paying for it. >> i agree, i agree my comment is about bankrupting the nhs. >> do you think the nhs would save money if they actually definitely saved money? >> as i say, if someone's very, very overweight and the nhs costs 6.5 billion a year, being obese cost the nhs 6.5 billion a yean obese cost the nhs 6.5 billion a year. if you spend £5 a day on

an injection, £170 a month, you can lose ten stone in a year and that patient won't need prescriptions every month. >> it's a prescription for life. i know you say it isn't, but it is. >> it's not for life. it is.— >> it's not for life. it is. is. >> it's not for life. it is. if you have even a topic that's for life, even as rempe say that it is a prescription for life. >> well, they would say that, wouldn't they? >> months last year come off for a whole year. >> 60% of the uk population are overweight or obese. that's a lot of people in the uk. >> yeah, but i think unless you're very, very large , you you're very, very large, you should pay for it yourself, because fast food costs more money than spends my money. >> when are you starting to do with losing ten stone? >> tell us about. >> tell us about. >> no, i'm trying to get some already. i'm just not sure which summer, i'm going to be ready for. >> it's great. i lost £8 in two weeks. >> i find it really interesting because lots of celebrities have been on this drug. some of them confessed to it. some of them don't. but jeremy clarkson wrote about it in the sunday times, and then it just exploded in demand, and you know, everyone i know who is on it, which is quite a number of people now, has had a good experience. and

obviously this is a short term experience because it's a matter of months. so, you know, i would you know, i'd be interested about the long term data and what evidence there is for side effects. but they've lost weight. they've felt healthier , weight. they've felt healthier, i know that carole malone has written about it. who's on this channel? she you know, she's an older woman. she had joint problems . and it's really helped problems. and it's really helped that sharon osborne had that, didn't she? sharon osbourne, although i think i think a lot of people massive problems with this. >> it's quite a bit too much. >> it's quite a bit too much. >> didn't eat for days. >> didn't eat for days. >> i think one of the concerns i have so i would do it, in fact, i have, i have got some pill versions which i've ordered of ozempic because the idea of injecting it rather scares me. so i do intend to. i do intend to go on it. now, look, i just like cake privately . yes. yeah, like cake privately. yes. yeah, privately. and that's my point. so i think there's a real serious question mark here in that all of the people i know and not the ones i've mentioned, but they've all got it privately. some of them have got it through dubious claims. so going on someone else's account or exaggerating their weight with dodgy photographs or simply lying about their weight. and so i think we have a problem that

this is quite a new drug. it looks like it has really positive effects for weight loss, but a lot of people are taking it in a way that's not clinically conditioned, that's not advised. and i think that's a recipe . a recipe. >> i mean, their bmi isn't high enough. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> like a lot of scientists say it's a wonder drug, you know, for alcohol. >> even drug addicts are not wanting to have drugs. but that's a huge thing. >> paula. paula is your bmi high enough to actually be on it? >> you know i'm did you lie? i'm very i would never lie. i'm not like that french woman. well i'm very top heavy, so i actually weigh more than i look . so weigh more than i look. so i mean, i'm not probably overweight, but i'm definitely not underweight. so should you. >> should you? >> should you? >> i'm allowed to have it taken. l, >> i'm allowed to have it taken. i, i want to get to the lower end of my what i can be for my height. so i only want to lose another £12 and that's it. but if i was. >> but the issue here, the issue here is, is that we have we have so many things on the nhs we can't do anymore. we shouldn't be medicalizing something that you can deal with free of charge. >> well , you, charge. >> well, you, you charge. >> well , you, you get charge. >> well, you, you get everything from ozempic to a sex change. >> so it's all on.

>> have you ever had it, darren? >> have you ever had it, darren? >> a sex change? >> a sex change? >> this is the exclusive for gb news, i have actually . news, i have actually. >> yes. you have? yeah, because you're looking very slim. yeah well, i have, lost weight on it. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> oh, you've taken ozempic. oh. have you? >> i didn't know that i was the one. put my hand up. so you all one. put my hand up. so you all on it just. >> can i just say i haven't? and i eat really carefully, and i go to the gym, but i like cake, i like cake, you know , and i like, like cake, you know, and i like, you just don't fancy food. >> the problem is, folks, i sit and watch gb news all day. that's what it is. >> i do anyway. >> i do anyway. >> still to come. are sexual predators treated differently based on their sex, and should mps be campaigning for refugees to be sent here from gaza? i imagine you're going to have some thoughts on that next up, though, is it right to introduce age kerbs on sex education topics? you're with the saturday five live on gb news

welcome back to the saturday five. as always. thank you very much for all of your messages about tonight's topics. kb has written in on our your say page. kb says please be sensible. the uk did not liberate france alone. it was with the allied troops . well was with the allied troops. well kb, i didn't say that we were part of that operation and we are the only flag to have been removed from the line—up of allies that were there. that's what i'm taking exception to. mick says we are the dopey ones. the german and french do everything they can to mess us up, and we continue to buy their cars and products . whereas if we cars and products. whereas if we bought the cars from japan that is invested in our country, we would prosper. maybe we need to hit them where it hurts. next. it's time for our next debate. who is going next? >> it's going to be me. oh thank you. yeah. so this week, the education secretary has

announced plans to change the age at which people can consume relationship and sex education. you now won't be able to get anything in england. schools under the age of nine years old. now, this is despite evidence from a charity finding and this is pretty shocking, actually, that 50% of nine year olds have seen explicit content that should worry us all. and so i think the idea that you're going to take away the ability of , to take away the ability of, pardon me, trained professionals to give help on these kind of questions is pretty dangerous because at the moment, we questions is pretty dangerous because at the moment , we live because at the moment, we live in an era where the question is whether you want dodgy websites to be educating your kids or people in schools . and so people in schools. and so i think it is a mistake to take away age appropriate relationship education from our young that can protect them from an increasingly dangerous online world, doctor renee, you're a parent. how do you feel about this? >> i have skin in this game and i actually applauded this when i heard it this week. i completed

the online survey last night. i said, actually, i didn't think some of the age ranges were even high enough. so what you're saying, benjamin, is because some parents are so irresponsible that they let their kids have access to explicit stuff on online. i have to sacrifice my child to learn about things that i don't want her to learn about. yeah. >> agreed. >> agreed. >> well, first of all, i think that i suspect i know, you know, parents that i speak to maybe a bit older than nine. it can be very difficult to regulate once they get a phone of their own. it can be difficult to control what they receive. >> my child is not getting a phone until she's 16 and things well, i mean, that's impressive. >> i know that someone i used to work with, she waited until 14, and i know that was a pretty difficult relationship with her daughter. but given that the fact is that so many very young children, you know, scarily young have seen content like that, and it won't necessarily be from the kind of websites that you can imagine, but maybe from things like snapchat where other people exchange inappropriate things, which is how a lot of them are doing it. i think it's a mistake to say that there should be so many kids, millions of children , on

kids, millions of children, on not understanding the context in which they live. >> i think you're taking one problem with kids having smartphones and access to content they shouldn't be seeing and using another issue as a sticking plaster. i don't want my kids anyone speaking to my kids about sex or relationships , kids about sex or relationships, straight or gay, trans don't care, whatever. i don't want them speaking or hearing about sex because they're children. they should be enjoying their life, enjoying an innocent life, doing things they love. if there is an issue with children, what age did you get your sex education? >> your first? do you want my explanation? >> do you want me to repeat the famous 12? >> i was 12, it was at school. i remembered it vividly. they showed me a picture of a woman giving birth. horrific. they showed me how to put a condom on a banana. i can tell you i've never had to do that in my life at 12. and i came out of that room and said, i'm never doing it, never doing any of those things. and obviously i've done both, but i do not want my daughter. she's six, nearly six. she still believes in santa, in fairies, in the easter bunny, and long may that last. she

doesn't need she needs to know that there's a mummy b and a daddy b who has a baby. that's enough. >> we're talking about. that's enough. that is relationship education. obviously, what you just described is not appropriate for a six year old. there's no need whatsoever. but what i would say is that they should understand the thing you just referred to the mummy and daddy b, but also , you know, daddy b, but also, you know, regrettably, there are obviously people that target very young children and i think them knowing what is acceptable for someone to do, to come near them is a way to stop that happening. you know, if they are aware of the context in which they live in an appropriate way, then it makes it more difficult for predatory people to try and approach kids. >> my issue with that is that you take away the innocence of the child and their life, and you expose them to sex and the ideas around sex. it's not obe, it's just very simple stuff. >> i'm not saying you should talk about sex in the way that you would imagine from that term . it's about introducing them to the concepts of relationships . the concepts of relationships. you know, we know that countries where they have thorough relationship education, they have lower rates of people getting in things like domestic

abuse and abusive relationships classes. >> was you in a goal scorer or mixed or mixed? i'd be so embarrassed doing that. i was so embarrassed doing that. i was so embarrassed . i didn't even have embarrassed. i didn't even have sex education at school. i just knew, you know what i was talking about contraception, which is the number one thing that you should find out because too many people have unwanted pregnancies at teenage years. but i'd be so embarrassed if i went to a mixed score. but also, my parents spoke to me. >> benjamin, where this has come from is there were kids as young as seven being taught how to masturbate. not necessarily me. i do not want my child. she'll find out herself anyway. i guarantee it. i've seen lots of kids. they work it out for themselves. they don't need to know this. yes, the basics of biology. fine, but not the act . biology. fine, but not the act. my biology. fine, but not the act. my daughter knows that daddy put his seed in mummy and she grew my tummy. she hasn't asked me how he did that and she doesn't need to know. >> even that sounds a bit graphic. >> renee come out of your belly button. i thought that until i was probably a teenager and that was probably a teenager and that was your your point about making kids aware about potential predators is a good point, but they do do that at nursery. >> my boys, this is what we're

talking about. but this is what can be stopped. >> so if you're banning this, this hasn't stopped. >> no. listen, if you let me finish my point, you hear what i'm going to say? so my four year old, as far as i'm aware, and they're told at nursery about, when they go to the toilet there is a suggestion from adults or staff, whatever you want to call them about private parts. and if anyone else wants to touch your private parts apart from, you know, maybe mummy or daddy helping you in the toilet, that's a problem and you should say something. so they do, on a very basic level, cover that anything else? i don't want my kids being talked to about sex by anyone. there shouldn't be a reason until i don't know , 1213 and even then don't know, 1213 and even then i don't know, 1213 and even then i don't want them knowing about all the graphics. >> first of all, obviously you know the reference you made about a seven year old and the four year old. obviously that's clearly inappropriate. and i'm not familiar with the example. >> there are people on the left that think they should learn about trans and everything, even before they can add up correctly, but the idea you just said 13, i think 13 is a suggestion made about when they would get that level of education. >> i didn't even know. i didn't even kiss a girl till i was about 15. >> okay, but times have changed, right ? the ability for a child right? the ability for a child to a young person to access

content that is not just explicit, but is dangerously explicit, but is dangerously explicit, that is warped and, you know, misinforms them about what life will be like that sets dangerous ideas in their heads, especially for teenage boys. i think the idea that we are letting the internet raise our kids in their sexuality is far more dangerous than having professionals. >> then let's not let the internet raise our kids. you're right. let's not let the internet do it as long. no it hasn't. >> and i also, let'sjust hasn't. >> and i also, let's just be honest, i think, you know, if a teenager wants to access that kind of things, they find ways to do it. >> that's a teenager. >> that's a teenager. >> and that's why. and, you know, when i was at school, i knew the older two members, if i can say so. can say 50. >> can say so. >> even when i was at school, it was a regular teacher that did this right. >> they very awkwardly had to try and explain this stuff. i don't think that should be allowed. i think you should have people that go from school to school that can actually talk young people through this. >> no, i don't want outside organisations involved in this because that's how we got to the trans stonewall ideology going into schools .

into schools. >> right? >> right? >> okay, folks, still ahead, should mps be campaigning for refugees from gaza to be taken in by the united kingdom ? but in by the united kingdom? but next, as a teacher is found guilty of sexual activity with two schoolboys, we're asking if these crimes are actually looked at differently when they're committed by a woman. you're with a saturday five live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always. we've got your tongues wagging. the messages are coming in and says bebe benjamin butterworth talking rubbish. well, we'll leave it at that. >> and no , leave parenting to >> and no, leave parenting to parents and says especially when it comes to sex education. >> and mark says , we don't want >> and mark says, we don't want our kids seeing content online. and do you think the teachers of today are qualified to teach our kids anything , let alone sex? kids anything, let alone sex? well, well, well, that's pretty

apt for our next topic then, isn't it? it's time for our next discussion now and teach as well. this teacher has been teaching some things, yeah, to say the least. >> so you must have seen at homes today the trial of the manchester teacher rebecca jones, who was accused and actually found guilty of sleeping with two of her students. she started meeting them and kissing them aged 15, eventually slept with both of them when they were 16 and remarkably, had one of the child's babies shortly afterwards . so she'd been afterwards. so she'd been convicted at manchester crown court. she'll be sentenced next month, in july, and she was convicted of six counts of sexual activity with a child. however for the discussion is should she bear in mind she has a baby, a young baby girl with one of these? i mean , they are one of these? i mean, they are babies as well. these young teenagers, should she face the same custodial consequences as male paedophiles? darren grimes, do you think a female teacher like this should be treated the

same way as, say, a male teacher who groomed young 15 year old girls ? girls? >> i think the law should be appued >> i think the law should be applied equally and fairly across sexes, even though critics are saying the lads were up for it, they were commenting on the teacher's appearance. >> they were, well, she bought one of them like a £350 gucci belt, so she almost paid for him. >> it's very sinister. and women can be sexual predators too, so they should face. >> so her defence was that she'd split up from her long term partner, she'd started a new job, then covid hit. she was doing online lessons, and when they eventually did go back into they eventually did go back into the classroom, she was getting comments from young lads saying, oh, you're fit, you comments from young lads saying, oh, you're fit , you know, you've oh, you're fit, you know, you've got a nice bum. so on and so on. >> it was very possessive and jealous. i called her bond becky. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> so i'm torn about this, only because i agree with you that women should of course face the same sanctions of men on this. but men are not facing these sanctions . so over the last few sanctions. so over the last few weeks, we've seen examples of paedophiles with paedophiles with horrific collections of child porn, not go to prison because they were stressed, because they were stressed, because they were stressed, because they had a lot going on in their life. so we're not applying those rules to those

men. so if she goes to the prison, she's actually getting a harsher sentence, and i worry that we're going to separate a mother from her baby because is there not a situation where the baby can go into anyway ? baby can go into anyway? >> because, the parents of the boy have taken the baby? yeah, the parents of the 16 year old or whoever he is now have taken the baby. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so she's already separated. my st giles' it easier anyway, she should go to jail. >> i'm going to be honest here, right. it's every schoolboy's fantasy. if you've got an attractive teacher to, you know, fantasise about hooking up with them. it'sjust an fantasise about hooking up with them. it's just an adolescent fantasy. my problem with this is i don't think the. it's obviously wrong. let me just articulate this properly. it's obviously wrong what she did and it's terrible. it's predatory. i think it's slightly not as bad as if it was a male teacher on a female student. but the thing that clinches it for me is the fact she had a child with one of these boys, and as a father of two young boys, having a child is a momentous, loving milestone in life . it should be done with in life. it should be done with someone you love, you love, you

care for, and something you've prepared for over the decades. because when you have a child, you pass on your life experience. the fact that she had a kid with this poor lad surprised him with it, with a baby grow saying his his daddy or i love daddy or something like that. for me, that's that's more sickening than the fact she slept with her 16 year old. >> you could say that. you could say that the sex education that benjamin is so keen to keep didn't work so well in this case, did it ? case, did it? >> well, i think i think maybe she shouldn't have been the person giving that education. look, i actually think i think she should go to prison because it is such an abuse of power. even if they hadn't followed through to the to the private act, the fact that she was courting a 15 year old as the teacher is an abuse of power. the reason we have age of consent rules isn't because you're not physically capable before then. it's because you're not mentally capable until that age. >> and we basically agree that as a society and when there's a big age gap, people are open to being procured. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> i find that really interesting, because that's the age at which you people like you

on the left say that we're old enough to know we're born in the wrong body and things like that, but that's quite different, because as a gay person, you will understand that you recognise that trait being fundamental to yourself long before you were 16 years old. >> those are things that we recognise as innate. but this is an abuse of power regardless of gender or sexuality. >> you know what? i absolutely agree with you. and men and women should get the same sentence in this. my problem with this is men are not getting the same sentence and paedophiles are walking free every single week in this country. so i think if we're going to apply the rule to her, we should apply it to men. we need more prisons, maybe. >> but, you know, only 5% of prisoners in this country are female. and there is evidence that a considerable number of the women that go to prison are the women that go to prison are the victims of abusive relationships , of consequences relationships, of consequences in their lives that came from a controlling man, a very difficult relationship. and so i think there is a very real question that you raise about whether there are lots of women going to prison for whom that isn't the appropriate thing, because it's a man's actions that have pushed them into a

corner in life that has done that. how ever i think it's unreasonable to say that's what's happened here. and actually the law is different for people like teachers, for sports, coaches . it says that it sports, coaches. it says that it is 18, not 16. because of that abuse of power. it was recently changed so that people who are sports coaches and pe teachers, it was raised to 18, just like religious leaders and regular teachers , because there are so teachers, because there are so many examples of people training up wannabe athletes and taking advantage. >> but, you know, even without that law change, as a doctor, if i was speaking to a 16 year old girl who was pregnant, suddenly i would ask her about her partner. and if that partner was 2930, that would be a red flag . 2930, that would be a red flag. >> do you, do you, benjamin, morally think a female teacher, as in this case on teenage boys who are 15 and 16? is that the same morally in your eyes as a male teacher on female teenagers, schoolgirls ? teenagers, schoolgirls? >> i mean, yes, arguably. i mean, i don't want to say it's worse than the female teacher, but i think there is something

to be said that it's more taking advantage because you said, and let's be honest, it's true. it's a teenage boy's fantasy. but that's why it's taking advantage, because they know that it's that kind of, you know, it might be a simple idea andifs know, it might be a simple idea and it's completely . and that's and it's completely. and that's why it's such a hideous abuse of power to do that. >> but it's society more shocked, just as they are when a woman murders someone that they are, when a woman seduces someone, she looks she doesn't look like the type either. >> i know that's really bad. the reason? >> look, you're absolutely right. just to finish, the reason we're discussing this is because it's a woman. and let's because it's a woman. and let's be honest, lots of people clicking on the story will be men thinking about what you've thought about. and that shows so many layers of problems . many layers of problems. >> all right, he says. >> all right, he says. >> i've thought about it. i was just observing . just observing. >> still ahead in the saturday scrap is tennis star emma raducanu right that women should be paid the same as men as much as that in sport? doctor renee and benjamin will go head to head on that one, but who's going to take what side ? our going to take what side? our next mps are campaigning for refugees to be taken in from

gaza. are they right? i'm sure you've got some thoughts on that. you're with the saturday

gb views. welcome back to the saturday five as ever. thank you very much for your messages about tonight's topics. janie has messaged in about the situation regarding rebecca jones. is it john jones ? and he said jones john jones? and he said jones and said of course she should face the same consequences. what is wrong with some people ? as is wrong with some people? as for when kids should be taught sex education, karen says girls can start their periods at nine. they should be aware of the pregnancy risk, but only the bafic pregnancy risk, but only the basic facts need teaching beforehand. >> but doctor renee, our periods , does that fall under sex education? >> right? also, yeah, sex penods >> right? also, yeah, sex periods should be taught in science. it's a simple thing. this is what happens to women just because you start your penod just because you start your period doesn't mean you start having sex. >> okay? >> okay? >> right now it's time for our

next debate. who's going next? >> i'm going next. >> i'm going next. >> oh, and you be okay. >> oh, and you be okay. >> mps are now advocating for the government to welcome up to 200,000 palestinian refugees . i 200,000 palestinian refugees. i think that's wrong, 40 mps, all laboun think that's wrong, 40 mps, all labour, of course. well, some labour, of course. well, some labour and some snp. no tories. it's just labour laws and also baronesses are advocating for this. but they're forgetting that palestinians killed the prime minister in jordan . they prime minister in jordan. they also tried to kill the king. a lot of these people are very anti—west and i do have empathy for the children. the innocent children and the civilians that don't support hamas . but it's don't support hamas. but it's too much of a risk for me. we can be impulsive to hamas. too much of a risk for me. we can be impulsive to hamas . we can be impulsive to hamas. we can be impulsive to hamas. we can be impulsive to hamas. we can be importing people that are terrorist sympathisers and it's time we care about british people and put the safety of british people first. too many people are virtue signalling refugees, this, refugees that and they do not care and they blinkered when refugees commit heinous crimes like rape,

murder, stabbings in this country, the ukrainians haven't committed any crimes. so we need to put the safety of british people first. well some ukrainians probably have committed crimes, but . ukrainians probably have committed crimes, but. i ukrainians probably have committed crimes, but . i get committed crimes, but. i get your point. and not heinous ones. >> well, yeah, exactly. and i think the people that have committed such atrocities, you're talking about the guy, the moroccan. i can't remember his name who stabbed the pensioner in hartlepool. he was an asylum seeker. yeah. and i think the point is there's a difference between. especially when it comes to the small boats crisis. there's a difference in the language. are they refugees or are they just economic migrants? a lot of them are economic migrants. but migrants? a lot of them are economic migrants . but with economic migrants. but with regards to the 200,000 palestinians, i couldn't care if they're 200,000 white poles or americans . there's no room in americans. there's no room in the country. >> so yeah, that's firstly, there's no room. >> there's we don't have that. we obviously have housing crisis, but we have to remember a lot of these palestinians hate this country because they think that we're arming israel. so we're the enemy. but there's too many refugees. we've seen it time again, are very happy to bite the hand that feeds them.

they'll come here with no intention of working. i'm surprised that's your position, though, because whenever i've defended israel, you've turned around and said things like, well, you're supporting killing kids and things like that. >> no, i didn't, why, why, why do you have to why do you have to exacerbate my language like that? i never said that. the only points i've raised, and for some bizarre reason, i've been absolutely swear . absolutely swear. >> you actually tweeted that people were supporting the killing of kids. >> no, i said, i said i had concerns about, as did joe biden. america, the un. i had concerns about the number of children dying on both sides. and because i said something as subtle as that, i was attacked for it online by a lot of people, very tribal people. on the israeli side of the argument , but but don't worry if you say it's heartbreaking. >> children dying. >> children dying. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> their parents, whilst less than two decades ago and now they support them more, there's been studies and there's been surveys saying that they support hamas even more so. paula, would you jon rahm but even even notwithstanding that, i think before, before we accept 200,000 here, i don't think we should accept any. i think it's time

for uae. i would like i would like to see jordan, egypt. >> well, they open their doors , >> well, they open their doors, but they won't. so then we have a good reason. we have to say to ourselves, why won't these neighbouring countries accept their fellow countrymen if we're going to have to take them? >> i think we're not going to have to take them. we should have to take them. we should have a referendum on this. >> i think that's a really good point. you know, egypt has a wall that would make trump blush between it's all in my line. >> i said this just the other day. >> i said it just the other week, god forbid we'd start agreeing on anything. i really don't want that. so i think that's absolutely true . you that's absolutely true. you know, those arab states, not just don't they, they don't take people from they don't take gaza or the west bank from palestine. they don't take, you know, a british person doesn't get citizenship, right? they don't do it . do it. >> but they have a lot of money. they have no housing problem. and it's a muslim country. so the palestinians will be happier there. so why does everyone have a go at us just because we don't want to take them? look what happenedin want to take them? look what happened in denmark. they accepted loads of palestinian refugees and now over 60% have criminal records would be moronic to accept.

>> another thing i would say though, is that, you know, i've just got back from travelling across yemen and lebanon, one run by the houthis, the other by hezbollah. and, you know, one thing that that is really important to get across is that most people in these countries that are run by heinous dictators and terrorists , they dictators and terrorists, they don't share the world view that the people ruling over them do. they have the same humanity as you find across the world, but they they don't obsess over these things in the same ways. >> and so should we do feel uncomfortable when people say, oh, well, they all think that because the terrorists who they vote and less than two decades ago and not since october, the problem, they have more support for hamas . well, look, i've just for hamas. well, look, i've just got back from from tripoli in lebanon this morning, in fact. >> right. which you could say was like that. and the people were delighted to make a british person, you know, the idea that they were so obsessed with these things, they want a better life. >> okay. they come here, they want to be like they cheered when the israelis were killed . when the israelis were killed. hang on. >> and actually, this morning i met a palestinian refugee. he was confused at the at the airport, and i was explaining him how to get through. he said,

i've never been on a plane before. and he was flying to turkey to claim refugee status. and i have to say , this man, who and i have to say, this man, who must have been about 50 and he just had a backpack, a large backpack on his back , nothing backpack on his back, nothing else in the world, you know, much older than me , maybe twice much older than me, maybe twice my age. well, hope he doesn't. >> honestly crimes my heart because a lot do actually see somebody in that situation with somebody in that situation with so little . so little. >> and it did give me a sense of perspective. and he was a very nice man. he actually spoke reasonably good english. >> but you know what, benjamin? is it not the same as me? this morning, driving over london bridge at 6 am. in the morning and seeing somebody who was probably in their 50s sleeping on the pavement, a british guy, people don't care about these people. my heart bled for that man. we've got enough of these people at home to sort out at the moment, haven't we? i think the moment, haven't we? i think the difficulty. >> look, you know, i strongly sided with, with israel, but the difficulty is to say that one place in the world should not be granted refugee status . i would granted refugee status. i would say to you, what is the cultural difference between afghans? we're bringing over and people from palestine? >> it's probably subtle. >> it's probably subtle. >> okay . right. lourdes, more to >> okay. right. lourdes, more to come tonight on the show, including should women start

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will join us to discuss whether there really is such a thing as there really is such a thing as the muslim vote. it's 7 pm. and this is the saturday five. also coming up this hour, doctor renee and benjamin go head to headin renee and benjamin go head to head in the saturday scrap should female tennis players be paid the same as men ? then we'll paid the same as men? then we'll be answering your questions in ask the five. so please do send them through to gbnews.com/yoursay first of all though, it's a saturday night news with sophia wenzler . news with sophia wenzler. >> darren. thank you. good evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. some breaking news in the last hour . the news in the last hour. the israeli military says it's recovered another body today after the bodies of three israeli hostages were recovered from gaza on friday. israel says

it believes 100 hostages are still alive. their families of hostages have been holding a news conference in tel aviv calling for their return . calling for their return. >> the war must be stopped at once and the hostages must be rescued . war cabinet members rescued. war cabinet members stop the expansion of the rafah operation and secure a hostage release deal. >> now our family members are raped in captivity. they are being starved and tortured. why do you allow netanyahu to continue sabotaging the hostage release deal? negotiations why do you remain silent in the face of his actions? why do you not come out and tell the public, as galant has done, how netanyahu tirelessly takes action to sabotage the hostage release deal ? deal? >> in other news, thousands of people can now safely drink their tap water again following a parasite outbreak southwest water has today reduced the boil

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gbnews.com/alerts. now it's back to the saturday five. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for yet another very lively hour. let's crack on with our big interview tonight. now, folks, there's been a lot of talk in recent weeks, hasn't there, with those local elections just happening, what, two weeks ago? whether labour need to do better with the british muslim community in order to guarantee me a majority at the next election . labour at the next election. labour leader sir keir starmer's position on the conflict in gaza has led to a loss of support for the part, in part at least among muslims, and a campaign group was set up called the muslim vote, and it issued a list of 18 demands, which it said starmer had to meet in order to win back their supporters and voters. but can one campaign group really

represent all 4 million of britain's muslims, and is there even such a thing as a monolithic block of muslims who see everything exactly the same way ? well, doctor raqib hassan, way? well, doctor raqib hassan, author of beyond grievance what the left gets wrong about ethnic minorities, wrote an article about this last week, and he joins us now . good evening. joins us now. good evening. raqib raqib. can i start off just by getting you to explain your position and your stance on that question? is there such a thing as the muslim vote? >> well, in my view, darren, what we're talking about here is specifically is this campaign organisation, which is very vocal after the latest round of local and mayoral elections in england called the muslim vote. and as you stated there, it listed 18 demands which were made to sir keir starmer. we saw in those local elections, they were a loss of labour councillors in muslim heavy

areas , especially across areas, especially across northern england, and many people, including myself, were very much of the view that that was because of labour's positioning on the ongoing conflict in gaza. but what was really interesting for me was that in these 18 demands, there was nothing on family policy. there's absolutely nothing on sanctity of life. when it comes to abortion and euthanasia. and there's really there's nothing about empowering faith based civil society, which can do a great deal of good in our local communities. and what was really interesting with the muslim vote, there was one friday morning it was bemoaning israel's participation in the eurovision song contest . now, eurovision song contest. now, darren, as you know, i'm based in luton. i can tell you that the muslim elders, when they're attending friday prayers, they don't have israel's participation in the eurovision song contest in mind . so song contest in mind. so i really question how representative this campaign is when it comes to the 4 million muslims that live in the uk . muslims that live in the uk. >> but there is it is right to suggest statistics . suggest statistics. >> right? there are what the

770. there are 747 rather thousand people from one particular part of kashmir, for example. right. and if you consider that in the whole context of what, 700 odd thousand people in newcastle, if you exported all 747,000 people from newcastle to abroad, you would expect them to have similar cultural values and therefore vote this in similar ways. is that not a fair assessment ? assessment? >> yes, that is a fair assessment. i've mentioned that some of the points that i mentioned there, which weren't part of these 18 so—called demands, i think more constructive language would be proposals. in my view. they sounded quite authoritarian in my view, there is that social conservatism which runs deep in many british muslim communities. but i've always made the point that the british muslim population on the whole is quite diverse in terms of religious denomination, ethnicity and indeed, when you look at the recent data . looking at british

recent data. looking at british muslims, 1 in 20 british muslims actually belong to the white british mainstream, many converting to islam. so i think the point that i made through my research is we need to get away from those views that even though on certain issues there may be much common ground between in and among british muslims that we are actually talking about a fairly diverse population here. >> so before i just before i bnng >> so before i just before i bring everyone else in, i just want to really the question that we were just debating in the first hour there is around , gaza first hour there is around, gaza and benjamin made the point of, you know, not everyone in gaza will think the same way. so therefore do we have to accept that? yeah, of course we should bnng that? yeah, of course we should bring people from gaza because not all of them are going to be supportive of hamas . supportive of hamas. >> i think that there's been a great deal of talk about resettling , gazans into the uk. resettling, gazans into the uk. there have been a number of labour politicians have expressed their support for that. >> i look at this as a letter, indeed. >> but i look at this a bit differently. i think for me , in differently. i think for me, in my view, that would be a dream for the israeli government because ultimately this idea that you'd have this large scale

resettlement routes , being resettlement routes, being organised in western countries , organised in western countries, i think the idea that if you're ultimately supportive of a palestinian homeland, it's also quite bizarre to then suggest there should be large scale resettlement routes for palestinians to be relocated to the uk and other parts of the west. so i think people need to strike a more coherent view in terms of how they see the ongoing conflict . ongoing conflict. >> all right. i'm just going to bnng >> all right. i'm just going to bring paula in because i. paula dunng bring paula in because i. paula during the break, we were discussing whether or not you thought there was such a thing. now, you do think there's such a thing. >> i do think i think a lot of muslims, it's almost like they're very pack like and brotherhood like for christians. we don't all vote the same way. but i think when a lot of people go to pray, like their friday prayers, their sort of influence to do certain things. so yeah, i do think i do think so. and i feel like if someone that's pretty powerful in the mosques says , oh, all of you need to says, oh, all of you need to vote for this independent now, because labour haven't called

for a ceasefire now or etc, etc. they will do as they're told, whereas christians wouldn't do that and a vicar wouldn't try to tell someone what way to vote. but in a mosque, i believe some people would. yes. >> i mean, raqib is that is that your take on that? >> well, i think the big trend in terms of christianity in the uk is that it's been on a steadily downward trajectory. and i actually think as a muslim, i think that's a crying shame because i think with that decline in christian devotion, there's been a loss of family values in some ways. and i think that sense of community has been somewhat lost with that atomised liberalism and that decline in christian devotion. now, there's no doubt that there are a very decent number of british muslims who attend, places of worship very regularly, but actually the british muslim population is quite diverse in that sense as well, in terms of, rates of religious , attendance, at religious, attendance, at a place of worship and some actually have moved towards a more private model of actually praying , at home. so i think

praying, at home. so i think that in that sense, that there's many british muslims who are being directly instructed on how they should vote at the mosque, it's actually not that much evidence of that, if truth be told. >> okay. >> okay. >> and good evening, doctor raqib. it's benjamin butterworth here. there's a story in today's paper that teachers are going to get new anti—blasphemy laws because we've had these problems in batley, in yorkshire and in birmingham, where muslim community leaders have intimidated school teachers over things like lgbt issues and other social questions and teachers have been left pretty afraid. what do you make of how we deal with those men? it's always men who are trying to assert that kind of authority in our country. >> i think, firstly, there has to be much stronger and more robust guidance on these kind of issues. now, i think that parents absolutely have the right to raise questions in terms of what the kind of

materials which are being presented to their children. that's absolutely no excuse to carry out intimidating protests. right in front of schools. i've talked about there being a more constructive approach, a more cooperative approach when it comes to parents engaging more with school of governors, the headmaster, a particular institution and indeed teachers. but i think that culture of intimidation , i think that needs intimidation, i think that needs a robust law and order response. and there has to be an understanding as well, among some british muslims , that some british muslims, that mutual tolerance, it has to go both ways. now, there may be benjamin. i'm sure that there are socially conservative attitudes within british muslim communities that you may not necessarily agree with, but you may well tolerate them now, equally , we're a country where equally, we're a country where there are no blasphemy. blasphemy laws. we have no blasphemy laws in this country. and i think that that freedom to show dissent towards organised religion, that's something that is very much a hallmark of an advanced industrial democracy

such as ours. >> i think the worry is that they're coming in by the back doonisnt they're coming in by the back door, isn't it? >> yeah. no, that's the concern. but, doctor renee, i want to bnng but, doctor renee, i want to bring you in now. >> hi, ricky. thanks for that. and i think i agree with you . and i think i agree with you. really? on mass. of course. there's no such thing as one muslim. what worries, i think some people is that there are pockets across the country, be it birmingham, be it george galloway's area where we've just seen it in action, where the muslim vote can be pulled together to vote as one and in the next election. those pockets are so big, all be them scattered. that could actually represent a major change in parliament. and what happens there. do you see that happening? >> i think that firstly, in terms of i'm very familiar with birmingham, so i know areas such as sparkhill and sparkbrook, which have a very high, muslim populations and indeed small heath , as well, i think that heath, as well, i think that more generally, when we're looking at those voting patterns, i'd make the point that the rochdale by—election 70% of the constituents in in rochdale are non—muslim. and i

think that's something that was somewhat missing . there's no somewhat missing. there's no doubt that british muslim voters help george galloway win that by—election. but in fact, there's actually quite a few white british working class areas, quite pro—brexit , areas, quite pro—brexit, protectionist. and that combination of holding left wing economics but also being quite socially conservative, having strong family values. they also voted for george galloway and i think that's because the labour party doesn't really represent that, that kind of left wing, socially conservative quadrant that you see on the political compass. i think more generally, i think it's actually quite a good thing, to be fair, that there's this fraying of relations between the labour party and british muslims. i think it's actually conceivable that labour might win a reasonable parliamentary majority on much reduced british muslim support. i think that's a possibility in the next general election. and i think actually, if you see more, independent candidates running in their local areas, and of course, it all depends on the views that they hold. but what i don't like is this idea that, for example ,

is this idea that, for example, the labour party expects a high level of support among british muslim voters, or there's british muslim voters who automatically expect labour just to hold their own views on domestic and foreign policy issues.i domestic and foreign policy issues. i think that having a more vibrant and, and a more, diversity of political options in british politics, hopefully would be a positive development. >> all right. >> all right. >> we'll wrap it up there . thank >> we'll wrap it up there. thank you very much, doctor. raqib ahsan, as ever now, folks, yeah. >> can i say i think we saw in these elections that there isn't a bloc vote because you saw the splintering of the way in which muslim voters are choosing, you know, for example , george know, for example, george galloway in rochdale said that i'm going to wipe out labour. 44 councillors were labour and two were from his party in burnley, ten councillors quit the labour party. muslim councillors labour won them back at the elections. so i think this idea that all the muslim voters that were labour have have marched off just isn't true.

>> well, they'll march back if they're told to and i feel like sometimes it's quite threatening behaviour as well. >> all right. >> all right. >> but ben hasn't spoken on this. so where are you are and what you've heard. >> well look, i was laughing to myself because there's been of course, we saw that incident a few weeks back at the local elections where the green muslim councillor was screaming allahu akbar at the count. but i don't know if you guys saw , but know if you guys saw, but brighton, which is obviously infamous as being the lgbt capital of even europe. >> yeah, the mayor, 20 to 30% of brightonians are gay or trans or whatever. >> they've just elected a muslim mayor. did any of you see that? >> yeah i did, yeah. yeah, yeah. >> yeah i did, yeah. yeah, yeah. >> is that turkey's voting for christmas? >> well, i do think there's going to be a massive you know, if you look at the stats in london, in london, the support for lgbt equality , whatever that for lgbt equality, whatever that means in the strictest terms is , means in the strictest terms is, is actually on a decline. and that can only be because of the rising , i that can only be because of the rising, i think, the rising population of muslims. >> well, i think we could use london as an example. sorry, benjamin, as an example of a

block muslim vote, because i think that that certainly has a big part to play in. sadiq, getting a third term. >> would you accept that? no, i wouldn't, no, i wouldn't i think, you know, because what it tries to , to claim is that tries to, to claim is that somehow there's a lack of legitimacy to their decision making in the voting. >> and i think that's wrong. >> and i think that's wrong. >> there's a lot of postal votes. >> and the man of the household sends them all off. so but i think a wife wouldn't go against the muslim. >> i'm not saying that doesn't happen by any means. and tower hamlets in east london is a really problematic example of that. they don't have a labour mayor. they have, a sort of a very strongly muslim party and look for ramen that runs that area. and you know, doesn't have any female councillors. for example, i don't know about the mayor in brighton. there's nothing to suggest inherently , nothing to suggest inherently, that being a muslim mayor means he doesn't agree with gay rights . i have many gay muslim friends. clearly they agree with their own existence . their own existence. >> it's not some. >> some would argue they're not proper muslims if they're gay because by by the quran standards, someone would say that darren can't be christian and gay, right. >> well, you know, that exists

in different walks of life. >> yes, yes. »- >> yes, yes. >> can you believe only on sundays still to come tonight in the bunch of five. why are british olympic divers appearing on only fans? and has your name reached this year's most popular list of baby names? next up, though, emma raducanu, who actually has called for equal pay actually has called for equal pay for female tennis players, is she right on that? doctor renee and benjamin butterworth will go head to head in the saturday scrap. you're with the saturday scrap. you're with the saturday five live on

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and in my take at ten, harry and meghan celebrate their sixth wedding anniversary. this weekend, i'll be giving my verdict. we're live at nine. >> welcome back to the saturday five, as always. thank you very much for all of your messages about tonight's topics. charlie says there can be a monolithic bloc comprised of muslims , as bloc comprised of muslims, as there can be of any other group. i was in the autism and disability advocacy groups campaigning for the good of the disabled community, and they always insisted on this monoculture approach to advocacy. they're pushed to other groups of people with alternating views aside. oh, myself included, he says. russell says first time i saw doctor rakib ehsan on gb news and i was mightily impressed with his intellect. he is good. he is very good right now. it's time though for this .

time though for this. >> yes. ding ding ding. >> yes. ding ding ding. >> benjamin butterworth has sharpened his claws. ready to go ? it's time for tonight's main event. tennessee's emma raducanu has hit out this week at the huge gap in prize money between male and female tennis players. i think it should be mentioned, by the way, she's done pretty well. she's made a few pennies. speaking ahead of the french open, raducan claimed that women were often technically superior to their male counterparts as they have to rely on agility rather than brute strength. emma raducanu did recognise that the women's competition plays to three sets, compared to five in the men's game, but regardless of different rules, we're asking the question should women always receive the exact same payout as their fellow male athletes? well, seconds out, it's round one. as doctor renee and benjamin butterworth go head to head, get your rackets ready .

head, get your rackets ready. doctor renee, take it away. >> so as somebody who actually loves sport, watch any sport, whatever it is, really get into it. i think emma's being a little bit silly, you know? come on, emma, let's wake up and smell the coffee. the problem with women is, is that they are not playing the same game as men in tennis. as you rightly said, they only play three sets, not five. i'm all for them having the same money. if they play the same game , they're not playing same game, they're not playing the same game. to say that they are technically better than men is ridiculous. we know from competitions that we've done and trials that have been done. if serena williams , at the height serena williams, at the height of her career, when she was number one in the world, had been dropped into the men's game, she would have ranked no higher than 700. she did some matches with andy murray. she lost spectacularly when he asked to do it again. she said no because it was embarrassing for women's sport as a whole. of course, women shouldn't be paid the same as men until they're playing the same game. then i'm for all it. and at wimbledon, where they don't play the same game, they do get the same prize

money. >> well, i think that, you know, it's kind of crazy that we've got to 20, 24 and you're still having to see female role models like emma raducanu, the most extraordinary tennis player to win the us open at the age and stage of her career that she did, having to justify getting the same reward . now, the truth the same reward. now, the truth is that sport is complicated because it's not just about the skill set, it's about the level of fame . a bit like hollywood, of fame. a bit like hollywood, for example. now, i bet you that most of our viewers would know who emma raducanu is. they would know who serena or venus williams is, but i bet some of the best male tennis players in the best male tennis players in the world they've never heard of. there is a lot more commercial ability from those women, and so if they bring in people to the sport, if they get people to the sport, if they get people to the sport, if they get people to turn out and buy tickets to wimbledon or to wembley or wherever they're performing , then i think that performing, then i think that should be factored in. i also think the fact that we should set an example for the girls who are coming through. my niece is in the manchester city girls

team, and i think that someone like that should be seeing the women, like the footballer jill, the women's football. i forget her surname. jill. what's her surname? scott. that's the one. she's a role model. she should be getting the kind of money that men are getting for filters through the sports. yeah, i mean , look, i accept what you say, and it is a commercial sport, so if women generated the same tv revenue because let's face it, that's where it all comes from. >> it's all about advertising and numbers watching then. sure, but they don't. it's as simple as that . not as many people by as that. not as many people by far watch women's football. not as many people watch the women's tennis final or wimbledon as watched the men. so unfortunately, on your argument alone, ben, they shouldn't get as much money. >> but you know what? if we were to stick by that kind of judgement of preventing the progress of these sports? well, a few decades ago . you know, a few decades ago. you know, women didn't have any chance to get into most sports like this. like football, like tennis. they were overwhelmingly male dominated. and what it took was

people at the top to start making decisions to put that funding in, to create the interest, to generate the talent. and that's how we've got here today. and so i think that if you start putting the proper rewards for these brilliant tennis players at the top for these brilliant female football players at the top, then you will revolutionise the sport and generate the interest. the idea that a man and a woman should get different money, you know, the fact is that most women you know, are all too familiar with doing more work for less money. so by your argument, you know, women are getting a pretty hard dealin women are getting a pretty hard deal in the rest of society. >> but on the basis of what you've just said, that's kind of trickle down economics for sport. and if that were the case, that money would trickle down instead of going into emma raducanu bank account to the lower levels of sport to encourage more disadvantaged people into tennis. but it doesn't. and paying the women at the top more is not going to change the number of children who are taking up or being given the opportunity to play sport. >> all right. okay, well , ben, >> all right. okay, well, ben, you like batting about balls . you like batting about balls. >> do you think only or only on a weekend in soho? >> darren, do you think they should be paid the same? i

don't, by the way. >> i'm straight, do i think they should be paid the same? no. look, as far as emma raducanu is concerned, i really respect what she's done in the sport. she's obviously a very, very talented player, but she seems obsessed by money. days after winning the us open, she was out on about at some vogue fashion event, donning £20,000 earrings and whatever else. >> so sexist. >> so sexist. >> why is it sexist ? this is so >> why is it sexist? this is so sick. finish my point. why? >> because. because saying she's obsessed with money. because she's going out and taking opportunities. i'm sorry if that is so sexist. because you do not hear people talking about ronaldo, who earns unimaginable amounts of money for endorsements. my point i've never heard you say, oh, he's going out obsessed with money. >> if you'd let me finish my point, instead of being ignorant and rude, you'd think a woman shouldn't be able to do that. no, emma raducanu is talking about the technicalities of sport saying that that women are better, technically at tennis than men. i'm talking about her performance in tennis days after winning her first grand slam. ask anyone who's invested in tennis or has an interest in the sport. she was out and about flaunting at fashion events, signing up to mega brand deals

and so on. everybody agrees who's involved in tennis. most people, john mcenroe said it that she should be getting her head down and training and taking the sport seriously, trying to win another slam, trying to win another slam, trying to win another, event. she hasn't done that. she's now earned a reputation for herself as someone who apparently seems more concerned about the brand deal she gets, rather than how many tennis matches she wins . so many tennis matches she wins. so that's my point. it's not a sexist point i'm talking about. i'm talking roger federer. >> i was in a car the other day, and the voiceover for saying which way to go. left and right was roger federer, right. okay so you've got roger federer literally selling selling his voice to tell people whether to stop in the car. >> why, why 2021? >> why, why 2021? >> why, why 2021? >> why don't you say that about a man? he's he's roger. i can't believe how ignorant you are. but roger federer is probably the aside from novak djokovic is the aside from novak djokovic is the greatest tennis player to even the greatest tennis player to ever, ever have graced the court. >> we're not disputing how great they are, and i don't dispute that. why is it that you're saying that a woman going out there and taking the commercial opportunities, which will transform her life, is her

flaunting it, while the bloke that literally has sold everything possible ? let me everything possible? let me answer that. you can get pretty much anything branded roger federer. why aren't you saying about him? >> i just told you because he's 20, 21, 22 times. i bet you he's been doing it the whole emma raducanu is a is a young girl who, in my opinion, should be utilising her talents, getting her head down and trying to win another grand slam. another woman should know her, place her, and by the way, one last point. this goes back to the trans debate. trans women in women's sport. of course it does. women physically are less powerful, less agile, less, stronger than men. and when it comes to the spectacle of sport , comes to the spectacle of sport, it's more exciting watching men play it's more exciting watching men play sport than women. just a fact.if play sport than women. just a fact. if they're not earning the numbers, she doesn't deserve equal prize money. i was about to say that i don't think you're with the greatest respect to your niece. >> was it your niece? yeah. your niece? >> it's not my nephew. >> it's not my nephew. >> is it? well, for man city, it could have been your auntie or something. i don't know, she might do. >> do they play. she actually . >> do they play. she actually. >> do they play. she actually. >> yeah, her grandmother did play. >> wow. >> wow. >> so, yeah, it goes back in the family. >> i don't think your niece should get the same money as,

say, paul, paul, phil foden in man city because they're just not playing. it's not the same game. and i mean, what i mean by thatis game. and i mean, what i mean by that is it doesn't have the same eyes on it. there aren't as many people watching it right. there isn't the same money floating around it. you might think that's unfair, but i'm afraid it's a case of tough titties because, you know, life is unfair. we don't all watch that, right? that's like arguing that you have a you may have a penchant for watching people play penchant for watching people play chess. well, i don't want to sit and watch people play chess, but they shouldn't be paid the same as football. >> i mean, i can't believe that you just used french. that's very good of you. but, you know, there are women here, so i want to. i want to hear. what do you think i think i think people are quite angry because a lot of people, i've never heard of her. >> and then she wins this great competition. then it's brandy or brandy or brandy or she's going to dash to paris for all of the fashion weeks, etc. but she does seem obsessed with money. i do agree with ben, but maybe she's standing up for other , female standing up for other, female tennis players because she's made an absolute fortune . she's

made an absolute fortune. she's the last person that should be complaining about money in tennis because she's made packet. >> i'll tell you what, i wouldn't mind a slice of that action. >> yeah, okay. >> yeah, okay. >> can i can i just say i say >> can i can ijust say i say that about emma. i criticise her in the same way john mcenroe did, saying that she was mentally weak because i know how talented she is. you have to be talented she is. you have to be talented if you're going to win the us open, one of the major grand slams. so the criticism that comes her way isn't sexist or anything like that. like you're suggesting, it's because we want her to do better for herself. >> okay? right >> okay? right >> time now for the great british giveaway. your chance to win £20,000 cash in time for summer. what would you spend it on? a dream holiday? get the garden done. have benjamin butterworth deported. >> well, you have to hurry as time is ticking on for the chance to make it yours. >> here's how. >> here's how. >> it's the biggest cash prize we've given away to date. an incredible £20,000 that you could use however you like and because it's totally tax free, every single penny will be in your bank account to do whatever your bank account to do whatever you like. with £20,000 in tax free cash really could be yours

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gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always. thanks for all your messages about tonight's topics on the equal pay in sport . shirley says what nonsense. they play tennis . it's the same they play tennis. it's the same achievement for women and men. women's tennis is possibly just as well supported. >> isn't ? >> isn't? >> isn't? >> philip says for the first time, i agree with benjamin butterworth. women play a better game than men are someone who doesn't watch tennis, obviously. >> well, no , no, it's time for >> well, no, no, it's time for this . this. >> all right. yes, a bunch of five. who's starting us off, i

think i'm starting us off. and a great story out this week. the annual baby name list. the most popular baby names in the uk has been released . i think it's from been released. i think it's from 2022. so children that were born in 2022 boys, the most popular boys name in england and wales today is noah, followed by mohammed, followed by number three, george . then it goes. three, george. then it goes. oliver, leo, arthur, oscar, theodore, theo and the most popular girl's name, olivia at number one, amelia at number two. number three is isla. then it goes ava . lily. ivy. freya. it goes ava. lily. ivy. freya. florence. isabella, darren. the big talking point here is let's address the elephant in the room . mohammed is number two. lots of people online, critiqued that, suggesting that it's a sign of our changing society. i'm not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing, but what's your thoughts on the fact that mohammed is number sing the idea of there being a muslim vote? >> well, there clearly is a muslim vote when it comes to the names right? they're all calling their child mohammed. so that

would that. well, yes, lots of them. that would suggest that. i mean, what there were 2000 kids born called mohammed that's you know, that's quite a high for that to actually reach that in the list. that's quite a high number and a high percentage of those of muslim people having children . so it would suggest children. so it would suggest that there are similar cultural values shared among the group. right. would it not. and apparently that would have been number one, apart from the fact that mohammed is spelt differently. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and it was one last terribly. >> and it was one last terribly. >> yes. yes, yes. >> for me it's , it's the fact >> for me it's, it's the fact that god we live in new labour's world don't we. everyone's got posh names when they're clearly not posh. noah, theodore , not posh. noah, theodore, amelia, lee, lily, ava i mean , amelia, lee, lily, ava i mean, where did it become that? you know, i think what people are showing you remember years ago, katie hopkins said you can judge a child on their name and it was really controversial. >> but isn't her kid called india ? india? >> exactly. people are calling their kids posh names. >> well, they're not there to help them later on in life when they're names on a cv, etc.

things like that. okay. rather than sharon or tracy, i mean, i, i was really excited when i saw the headline that britain's sexiest man had been announced, and before i turned to, i thought to myself, is it is idris elba, cillian murphy, ben leo? >> but no, it was. i knew i loved you very, very sexy . loved you very, very sexy. >> jeremy clarkson and i thought to myself, wow, he is witty . he to myself, wow, he is witty. he is intelligent for sure. he is entertaining, but he's really not very attractive. he certainly doesn't say to me sexy. and i just wondered if he was sexy when he was standing on his 400 hectare farm. >> i mean , the question is, is >> i mean, the question is, is the dadbod what people secretly like? because it's fine. >> dadbod yeah, i have a dadbod than be in the gym like twice a day being obsessed with how they look. and yeah, i don't like i really i've got jeremy clarkson, he's got a dadbod and a great brain. >> he's not just got a bentley who's got a buff bod, but kind of rubbish brain. so that's the difficulty. >> but i'm quite surprised .

>> but i'm quite surprised. sexual. so i like clever men. i'd rather be clever, but you can get burned. i'm attracted to someone's intelligence. not how they look, but you can get both. >> okay? >> okay? >> right. it's harder. it's harder . it >> right. it's harder. it's harder. it looks fade >> right. it's harder. it's harder . it looks fade anyway. so harder. it looks fade anyway. so i'd rather a brain. i don't care if you've got a dad bod. it makes me feel a dinosaur, to be honest. >> right. >> right. >> next up, then . so this story >> next up, then. so this story is a is an odd, curveball, shall we say, because those athletes who have got themselves all the way to olympic level and are playing for britain and all the rest of it, well, to earn themselves some extra dosh, they've wound up on onlyfans . they've wound up on onlyfans. i'm saying wound up. they obviously consensually went there and, are posting, i don't know what about themselves or sure, revealing about themselves aren't onlyfans. so this is jack laffer. now jack is an olympian and he did win. he won gold, didn't he? >> should i tell you? >> should i tell you? >> i've seen jack law naked because i interviewed him for gay times. it was my first, magazine interview, it was for the photo shoot. >> it was my first magazine cover interview when i was 20,

and so i think he's been making and so i think he's been making a living . a living. >> did you ask him to get his kit off? >> i didn't, i didn't. it was just the nature of. it was steadily covered for the shoot, but but i think they've been doing this for a long time. >> so is emma raducanu going to wind up on onlyfans? is this the issue? well, we're all going in. >> look, i think that if they're doing this because they're not being paid enough as professional sports people and it is a sport that doesn't get paid much, we should actually funnel more of that trickle down money into our lowest sports so that these people don't have to do it if they're doing it because they earn loads of money and they want to earn even more, and they want to earn even more, and only fans let them do it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> there's a question, though, that sports people are meant to be role models. you know, whether they ask for it or not. we put them on a pedestal, especially for young people . and especially for young people. and are they setting the right moral example? >> well , example? >> well, darren, you paid for this lad's onlyfans. what, what what kind of content is on there? i mean, is it is it full on, you know, nudity or on a serious note, you know, you've got kids. >> do you think if they knew that a tennis player was doing that, they they they wouldn't

know because they wouldn't have. >> i don't think sports stars have any obligation to be role models. >> all right, paula, what do i believe on this subject . believe on this subject. >> no, no, no. what have you got coming up for us? >> oh, cyclist okay. so cyclists, now that we've been debated in the house as of parliament, they they might be able to be sent to jail for up to 14 years if they kill someone or seriously injure someone , or seriously injure someone, because they're cycling dangerously. so i welcome this . dangerously. so i welcome this. >> i think cyclists should be taxed. they should have number plates, they should have insurance , and they should insurance, and they should ultimately get off the road. >> this is a lycra clad i was going to add lycra clad. >> they feel like they're saving the world one pedal at a time. >> do you know, whenever i'm walking across bridges in london and crossing the road, i fear for my life. >> not by cars , but because of >> not by cars, but because of cyclists. this place is a menace. and it's your mayor, sadiq khan, that's done this. he's created a likely menace and our fear for my life, i really do. >> i think they're specifically targeting you, to be honest. and, you know, maybe that's justified. you get places. you get places like amsterdam where everyone cycles. i was about to say they're beautiful places. no, i think it's hideous . no, i think it's hideous. >> they're the worst thing is

the delivery drivers, they're really, really dangerous. and they just become colour—blind when they approach traffic lights. i've nearly been knocked over countless times, and more and more people are cycling because of the ulez charge . because of the ulez charge. >> all right, benjamin, what have you got? >> well, mine is one about there's a man of the times today, james beckett, who talks about the fact that he's not saving any money for his kids. there's this new movement that's about that. you should give zero inheritance. my grandmother, my late grandmother , she used to late grandmother, she used to say, i'm going skiing, benji. and that meant spending kids inheritance. now, doctor renee, what do you make of this? are you going to spend all your money? >> i love that from your grandmother. i think that's brilliant. and i shall tell that i wasn't happy when she died. >> but. yeah. look i don't i don't think we have an obligation. where's it all gone? >> i think you have an obugafion >> i think you have an obligation to leave anything to our children. we really don't. and i say to my mum, constantly spend it, enjoy it. you've earned it. you've worked hard. don't save it for me. if we can help our children along the way. i helped my son by his first flat, then fine, we should do that. but certainly they shouldn't expect anything. and then what they get will be

bonus. >> but darren, do you think that you know, given how hard it is to buy things like a home, you know, you just mentioned that that was something you did use to help it. do you not think that a generation that's benefited from that boom in pnces benefited from that boom in prices should, should make sure they give something to the next generation? >> i think to be, to be honest, in the state of things right now, they've got no choice really. they're having to do that. you know, i, i'm quite grateful that i had absolutely nothing. so i had to work for everything , so don't get me everything, so don't get me wrong, i think what you've just said is, is correct. but i do think though that people are being forced into these positions of having to i mean, you could be a 30 year old still living at home, and that's perfectly normal these days. >> but not all parents will help their children. they might just not want to. so i mean, all parents are different, so some children are rotten children to their parents. >> well, your children are watching, so you're not they're in bed by now. >> in fact, gordon ramsay, he's worth about £170 million so he could give his kids, you know, he could pay off a house for every one of them. and he said, no . he said i

every one of them. and he said, no. he said i might pay for the deposit of my kids first flats. but besides that, they're getting nothing. >> that's perfect. >> that's perfect. >> you hear that? you hear that a lot with other celebrities talking about plane travel as well. the celebs. i can't remember the names off the top of my head, but they'll fly first class and they'll make the kids fly. economy at the back. you did that. >> so we used to fly business and the kids used to be in economy. and when they used to moan, we used to say, when you've got your own jobs, you can fly in business. >> wow. >> wow. >> i agree with that. and also, if you're doing a good job as a parent, your kids won't probably need to rely on your with inherited ages. >> yeah okay. >> yeah okay. >> so they weren't screaming leave the five year old. yeah children. yeah. anyway, bye. yeah you're off for the vino. still ahead. >> your questions have been flying in for ask the five and someone's been in touch asking for our dating advice. good luck. things must be bad . that's luck. things must be bad. that's next. you're with the saturday five live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. no emails here, because it's five. no emails here, because wsfime five. no emails here, because it's time for this. five. no emails here, because it's time for this . oh. let's it's time for this. oh. let's see what you've got for us. this week. this is in from joanna. good evening. joanna. she says good evening, famous five. what do you think of jonathan ulez portrait of the king? i think my toddler could have done a better job, i'm with joanna. >> i think it looks demonic. i think, too, yeah, satanic, i think. yeah. does anyone on the panel actually like it? >> yeah, i loved it, i really did. i thought it was different. >> no, but i think i thought it was beautiful . was beautiful. >> and i think it captures something about the king and actually we see so many royal portraits, you know, hundreds , a portraits, you know, hundreds, a thousand years of royal portraits. they all look very similar. and i think we shouldn't. >> is that are they his hands? yes why are his hands bigger than his head? yeah. i mean , in, than his head? yeah. i mean, in, in 150 years time in the tate benjamin, people are going to look at that and go, what the. >> yeah. went on.

>> yeah. went on. >> yeah. went on. >> yeah. i think the idea that all portraits need to look the same, i mean actually the late queen, she had an extraordinary one with her sharp blue eyes showing that was definitely modern art and that was widely celebrated. indeed she sat with the artist who i met on gb news breakfast a few months back. she sat with him multiple times afterwards because she was so fond of that modern art. so, you know, i don't think you should, but that modern art, though, hadnt but that modern art, though, hadn't had red paint sloshed all over the colour red to make him look like he was had suffered a bloodbath. >> but anyway . right. this is in >> but anyway. right. this is in from julia. good evening julia, she says. i'm 68 and single, but news of anne robinson's romance has given me hope. how should i go about bagging a hot young man? >> i think darren's desperate. >> i think darren's desperate. >> are . >> are. >> are. >> well, shall we just say that? you know, anne robinson is dating, parker—bowles? the former husband of our now queen, which i found most fantastic gossip. i can't. >> yes , i was discussing it >> yes, i was discussing it earlier today in the afternoon show, but how should julia get

back on the dating scene? >> i think she should go for the dating apps. be confident and go for it. >> do you think the dating apps actually work? yes you do. >> i think it's better to meet someone in person, maybe during like book clubs or go to the gym or something like that, right? >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> and, good on you, julia . get >> and, good on you, julia. get out there and good luck. >> all she does have the advantage of sort of a £10 million home in the cotswolds and moving in aristocratic circles. so i think that might make life a little bit easier. i doubt that they. i doubt that andrew parker bowles and anne robinson met on on tinder, to be honest. but do you know what? there's a new app that's just been invented where you can't send a message. you have to pick up the phone. i like a good idea, i like that, yeah, you can tell if you like someone talking about a couple of minutes, but what about we mentioned this the other week? >> what about if you get on with them really well, on the phone, and then you finally see their picture? and it wasn't what you were expecting, said darren. >> they just keep hanging all about looks , finally, this is about looks, finally, this is from markle. probably one for benjamin. evening five will tyson fury become the undisputed

heavyweight champion tonight? benjamin well, as the heavyweight on the panel, i have no idea, no. >> you don't think it will? i think i think he'll do it. >> i think he'll win. >> i think he'll win. >> what's the name of the ukrainian fella? >> oleksandr usyk? >> oleksandr usyk? >> he's going to do very well. >> he's going to do very well. >> we had, duke mckenzie, former british world champion, on a show earlier today, and he said it's going to be very, very close. but he thinks usyk will stop fury in maybe round 7 or 8. >> it's a terrible shame, but i'm busy. i won't be able to watch it. >> will will the panel be watching it? >> what time is it on? about 11, 12:00. >> too late for me. i'll watch the clips later when they're posted. >> yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. >> yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. >> by the way, fury getting £116 million for this fight. regardless of how it ends . so he regardless of how it ends. so he could get sparked out in the first 30s he'd still go home £117 million to tune in. >> are . >> are. >> are. >> it's going to be massive, isn't it? it's a massive fight. you have a massive audience. it's in saudi arabia. yeah, yeah. >> oh, the saudis are going hell for leather anyway, right? thank you very much to our brilliant guests tonight , doctor renee.

guests tonight, doctor renee. and of course, paula london. next up, it's the brilliant leo kearse with the saturday night showdown. thank you very much for watching you at home and for commenting along. hopefully see you again next week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. hello! welcome to your gb news weather update from the met office into sunday. we'll see showers easing, but it's going to be a murky start before plenty of warm sunshine. so high pressure situated out towards the west, low pressure further towards the east and in between. not too much going on. a lot of light winds around . so a lot of light winds around. so the showers that we've seen today across wales and parts of the south—west will generally fade, especially across scotland as well. but elsewhere plenty of

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gb news. >> hello there. coming up on the saturday night showdown, a portal was opened between dublin and new york and was instantly used to send sick jokes and

nudity. we've got the footage. well, as much as we're allowed to show and britain's loveliest plumber is now called britain's scummiest plumber, as a bbc investigation found he had posted pictures on social media of all people who'd already died to get donations , and then spent to get donations, and then spent those donations on fun stuff for himself . those donations on fun stuff for himself. he's still the most honest plumber i've ever met, though, and it all kicked off in us congress between the republicans and the democrats. women this time over a pair of fake eyelashes . we've got the fake eyelashes. we've got the footage. i don't know if they've been at the white wine, but it kicks off harder than a fight at a glaswegian wedding. this is your saturday night showdown discussing alternates topics with me are my brilliant panel. joining me tonight are sajeela kersh , susie kennedy, and

kersh, susie kennedy, and nicholas de santo