on october the 7th. among hamas on october the 7th. among them was the german israeli woman , 22 year old shani luke. woman, 22 year old shani luke. a photograph of her twisted body on the back of a pickup truck had circulated across the world following the attacks in october. here, a terrorist who murdered a 70 year old man in hartlepool and said he did it for the people of gaza, has been sentenced today to at least 44 years in jail. ahmed ali al fayed repeatedly stabbed terrence carney in hartlepool town centre last october, eight days after the hamas attacks inside israel. the 45 year old is an asylum seeker who claimed to be from morocco. this evening. shadow home secretary yvette cooper says his conviction exposes what she's called an alarming catalogue of failings in the home office's handung failings in the home office's handling of his claim to asylum . handling of his claim to asylum. in other news, a teacher convicted of having sex with two schoolboys becoming pregnant by one of them has been described as a predator. 30 year old

rebecca jones was found guilty of six counts of engaging in sexual activity with a child . sexual activity with a child. she denied having sex with one school boy and claimed a relationship with a second teenager began only once. he had left school, and after she had been sacked during her two week trial, the high school teacher told the court that she craved attention and struggled. following the breakdown of a nine year relationship ship well to devon now, where there is no word at this stage on how long residents in brixham will have to boil their water after an outbreak of disease, 16,000 homes and businesses there have been told that a parasite has got into supplies of water after potential contamination from cow manure. south west water is now offering bottled water to residents and has increased compensate ation from £15 to now £115. passengers are set to face disruption at heathrow airport over half term, as hundreds of border force officers go on strike. 500 members of the pcs

union will walk out for three days from the 31st of may in a dispute over their rotas. it's expected the strike action will disrupt passport checks for travellers coming into the uk . travellers coming into the uk. the british museum says that it's recovered hundreds of items that had gone missing, or that people had stolen 268 pieces, including classical greek and roman gems and jewellery, have been returned. it brings the total number of items now found across the world to 626 out of around 101,500, rather missing or stolen items in total, some located as far as north america, have now been taken back to be housed in the museum's london collection . in the us, world collection. in the us, world number one golfer scottie scheffler has been charged with multiple offences. court records there show that scheffler had been booked on four charges, which included second degree assault of a police officer, the masters champion was handcuffed on his way to the pga

championships this morning, but he was able to arrive on course in time to tee off in the second round of the event. well, he's described his arrest as a big misunderstanding, following what he called a very chaotic situation. and finally some royal news the king, the queen and prince william will attend ceremonies in france next month to mark the 80th anniversary of the d—day landings. his majesty and queen camilla will join a commemorative event at the british normandy memorial, while the prince of wales will attend a separate canadian ceremony. buckingham palace, though, says the princess of wales is not expected to travel with them to france. it comes after the king returned to public duties after doctors said they were pleased by his response to his cancer treatment . for the latest treatment. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts . just scan the qr news alerts. just scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news common alerts now, though, it's back to .

it's back to. lee. >> welcome to the andersons real world. my name is lee anderson. i'm the reform uk member of parliament for ashfield and today we've got chloe dobbs. this is a third time on the show. third time lucky, third time lucky. and the legend that is sir vince cable, former leader of the liberal democrats. he's back on for about the seventh or eighth time. he is a glutton for punishment. but earlier this week, sir jacob rees—mogg, the right honourable sir jacob rees—mogg, suggested sirjacob rees—mogg, suggested that the reform party and the conservative party could sort of come together pre—election chloe and form some sort of alliance in order to, you know, return a conservative stroke reform type of government. what do you think is that is that wishful thinking? is it desperate or should the electorate judge the conservative government on their record? >> i think that the public should judge the conservative government on their record. and of course , it's in the of course, it's in the conservatives interest to make a pact with reform because they're absolutely plummeting in in the polls. and reform is catching up

and up and, you know, might overtake them already seem to be going there in wales. so of course, it's in the conservatives interest . but do conservatives interest. but do they deserve it. absolutely not. i mean they've completely failed on a multitude of different things, especially migration , things, especially migration, which voters are really, really upset about . why on earth do upset about. why on earth do they deserve to make a pact of reform to boost their electoral hopes when they've had 14 years in government and they've done bugger all, sir vince , are you bugger all, sir vince, are you as part of a coalition at at one time, weren't you. >> yes. how did that work? do you think it's a good idea for parties to come together when they're so well? you're completely. well i think it's a different situation. >> and that was, parties working together in the national interest at a time of national crisis. it's fundamentally different. i mean, as far as this, jacob rees—mogg proposal , this, jacob rees—mogg proposal, i mean, i can see what's in it for the tories. i mean, it might help them to save a few seats, and the massacre would be a bit less than it otherwise would be. but i can't see what's in it for the reform party. i mean, they worked with the tories in 2009. they had a common project that

was brexit. but what is there in it now? i mean, there strategy is to destroy the tory party and then take over the remnants. i mean, that's what they're about. and they're not going to achieve that. by some. i mean, what you're helping jacob and his friends, what jacob said, it looks quite appealing to your traditional conservative voter , traditional conservative voter, but is it an act of or is it an admittance of failure, do you think over the past 13, 14 years? well, i don't think you can treat the whole of the 13, 14 years as as one unit. it wasn't. the coalition was fundamentally, i see because she was there then, weren't you? what we're judging is what's happenedin what we're judging is what's happened in the last five years, essentially . yeah. and on three essentially. yeah. and on three major areas they failed . they major areas they failed. they bofis major areas they failed. they boris johnson was a hero and then lack of self discipline. we know the story. there were the truss experiment was a complete catastrophe. and the big project brexit i mean the majority now i think it's a mistake and even you know nigel farage is saying

it was it's failed . it was it's failed. >> so yeah it was a mistake though did he. chloe didn't say it was a mistake. he just said, you know, the conservative government have not delivered a proper brexit like the british pubuc proper brexit like the british public was promised. >> yeah i mean vince carefully corrected himself there from the word mistake to the word failure which, which is quite, quite different. brexit it gives us freedoms that we can choose to take advantage of or not, for example, it gives us more regulatory autonomy. however, we have not done all the cutting of red tape that should perhaps make our market more competitive that we could have done. it potentially gives us more control over our borders. i think we all know how that's gone right , think we all know how that's gone right, so think we all know how that's gone right , so brexit can be gone right, so brexit can be a success and it's a great shame that we have failed to do so and that we have failed to do so and that consequently, as vince has pointed out, a lot of people are now thinking that brexit was a bad idea. i think that brexit was a good idea, but we need to actually start capitalising on it. i think the problem is , sir it. i think the problem is, sir vince, a lot of people in that place over there, i think there's three quarters of the

mps at the time didn't really believe in brexit. >> they actually campaigned and voted against brexit and hey presto, when brexit is finally voted for, they're still doing their best to, you know, to halt it, to slow it to down, make it not work as it should. and then all of a sudden they're saying, oh, we've been vindicated. brexit's been a complete failure. it's been a failure. it's the politicians over there. well most of the moderate tories i worked in to try and reduce the damage left the tory party were thrown out . were thrown out. >> so i don't think that's fair, the other key point , of course, the other key point, of course, is you say it's brexit in name only. it wasn't . we left the only. it wasn't. we left the single market, we left the customs union. and business now sees the consequences in a much smaller economy, relatively higher inflation. we paid cost. >> chloe, you want to come back on that ? you're chomping at the on that? you're chomping at the bit here, aren't you? i'm assuming that you were . did you assuming that you were. did you vote for brexit? was your old enough at the time? >> i wasn't old enough. i'm a baby. you're a baby. so 16. >> if there was a vote today , >> if there was a vote today, which way would you vote?

knowing what you know now, i definitely still vote for brexit. >> of course. i mean, the points you've made about how the politicians have tried to stop brexit over and over again. i mean, just look how long it took us to leave. it's absolutely absurd. we voted in 2016 and then we had years and years of chaos and arguing and you know, bofis chaos and arguing and you know, boris having to prorogue parliament, you know, we can get into another can of worms there, whether that was legal or not. but the fact that he had to do that to get brexit across the line and stop the mps from trying to legislate to stop brexit. and then we had with theresa may mps trying to legislate to stop a no deal. i mean, it was just absolutely bonkers. and what's the great shame there is that we spent so many years running around like headless chickens, trying to get brexit crossed the line. meanwhile, the country was just falling apart and every other issue in the country housing, health care, etc. was just left to rot . to rot. >> let's try. and now, sir vince here, i'm not going to try and catch you out, sir vince, but what have what are the advantages of brexit? because surely there are some. >> there was a theoretical

advantage that we might be able to save trade big trade deals with other countries . that was with other countries. that was the one big positive if it happened. but the americans are not interested. it's there's nothing happening on the american front. the indians are playing hardball. we're not getting even close to an agreement with them. china was the potentially big catch. but we've fallen out with the chinese. so we've got these trade deals , tiny little trade trade deals, tiny little trade deals with australia and new zealand that have virtually no impact on the economy at all. so the one big upside hasn't happened. >> well, you know, we were promised, sir vince and by a lot of people on your side of politics that the our car factories were going to close. there's going to be mass unemployment. 3 million people are going to be thrown on the scrapheap overnight. well, actually, the actual reverse happened. >> you're quite right. it was overdramatised and the people who exaggerated were made to look rather foolish. there wasn't a complete collapse. it's a difference between a blow—out in a tire and a slow puncture.

and we've got a slow puncture, andifs and we've got a slow puncture, and it's , it's it finishes up in and it's, it's it finishes up in the same place, but in a less dramatic way. >> you see what i think, chloe? because i've said it before on this show, i was one of those people, a normal joe in the street screaming at the tv, at people like sir vincent on the green benches saying, you know, come on, get it done. and i always thought, and i still do, that. it was remaining in the european union was the easy way out . it meant european union was the easy way out. it meant that once we european union was the easy way out . it meant that once we left out. it meant that once we left that the politicians again over in that place had to work a little bit harder to make it work. and they sort of, you know, sort of tried to block it at, at, at every junction, really. and, and now they're saying, like i said before, i told you so it didn't work. i blame it on lazy politicians. i do . do. >> yeah, definitely. i think that it was incredibly under aquatic that politicians tried to stop it thinking, we know better than you brits that voted for this. you know, i just think is quite pretentious, to be honest. it'sjust is quite pretentious, to be honest. it's just going back on

the stuff about the economics of it. a lot of the economic problems that we have had over the past few years have been the same, if not worse, in countries in europe. there are various different things going on. we had a huge pandemic. we've had the war with ukraine, various different things. but even if brexit doesn't benefit us economically in any way, it's very simplistic to just focus on the economic side. this is more so about autonomy and democracy . so about autonomy and democracy. see if some bureaucrat in europe doesn't treat us properly and the laws that they make don't serve brits . there's no means of serve brits. there's no means of redress. whereas here, if you have a problem with the laws made in britain, you can go to your local mp , ask them to do your local mp, ask them to do something about it in parliament to try and resolve that issue. that yeah, i mean, that's just one of many of the reasons why it was a good reason to leave. >> i think it's been a great debate so far, vince. it's great that you're here of a certain age. you know, you're one of the adera, one of the grandfathers of politics, a well respected politician, even by people on my side of politics who's

contributed a lot. and i've got a young lady here who's in the early 20s who was just coming into politics. so it's a fascinating discussion. we started off with sir jacob rees—mogg and a possible coalition with the conservative party, and we've ended up talking about the advantages of brexit or the disadvantages , as brexit or the disadvantages, as sir vince may say. but look, that's been absolutely brilliant coming up after the break. we're going back in the day with former sun political editor trevor kavanagh . trevor kavanagh. >> join me camilla tominey every sunday at 930 when i'll be interviewing the key players in british politics and taking them to task in this report basically says that he's not fit to stand trial. >> with an upcoming election looming over westminster, now is the time for clear, honest answers. i agree, and that's precisely what i'll get . is he precisely what i'll get. is he indecisive? incompetent? that's the camilla tominey show at 930 every sunday on gb news the people's channel, britain's

election channel. >> hello and welcome to the latest forecast from the met office for gb news. plenty of warm, sunny spells this weekend, but it won't be sunny or indeed dry everywhere. there'll be some cloud development, there'll be some showers here and there. we're in between high pressure and low pressure. at the moment. weather fronts are tending to stay away, but there is a feature that's been bringing some heavy rain to germany over the last couple of days, and that's just going to swing some cloud and outbreaks of rain into the far south—east and east anglia overnight. and there'll be some low cloud drifting into eastern scotland, north—east england. so grotty conditions first thing here on saturday. otherwise further west, plenty of sunny spells, a fresh start . of sunny spells, a fresh start. but soon enough where we've got the sunshine it will warm up quickly . where we've got the low quickly. where we've got the low cloud, it's going to be slower to warm up and we will have some showery rain first thing along the south coast into kent, south wales, perhaps into southwest. as the morning goes on we'll charles. northwest england, southwest scotland, plenty of

warm sunshine but northeast england into eastern scotland. low cloud and mist. northern scotland likewise. that will take some time through the morning to burn back to the beaches. northern ireland lots of cloud. first thing that will tend to break up and allow some sunny spells to come through as the day goes on. so for the majority it is looking like a fine day. there'll be some decent sunny spells, but they'll also be showers developing as temperatures rise. the odd shower for wales , central and shower for wales, central and northern england, central scotland as well, particularly over the highlands, but the most frequent showers are likely towards the southwest. devon, cornwall, dorset, somerset could see some heavy downpours continuing into the evening, dying away overnight . so a dry dying away overnight. so a dry start to the day on sunday. a lot of cloud first thing, particularly in the north and the east, but quickly there are some very pleasant, warm , sunny some very pleasant, warm, sunny spells developing through the morning and into the afternoon. again there'll be showers, but they're most likely to be focused towards the southwest. similar conditions on

i >> -- >> going back in the day. now with trevor kavanagh. who was a political editor of the sun newspaper. and worked for the daily mirror over in australia, spent a little bit of time , back spent a little bit of time, back in the day there. and also one of the most influential media men, just a few years ago, trevor. but you've seen some big changes in the media throughout the past 40, 50. dare i say 60 years? how has it changed over that time? >> 65 i think, it's changed enormously . i mean, not only is enormously. i mean, not only is there a totally different process of producing newspapers, which took a revolutionary turn with the move into wapping by rupert murdoch back in the early 80s, but then the development of the internet, social media and google, i mean, google killed the newspaper industry, basically , and that, about 20 basically, and that, about 20 odd years ago, people began to get their news, first and foremost on their breakfast

table from their laptops, not from a rolled up newspaper coming through the letterbox . coming through the letterbox. >> so you've covered many a general election , and we've seen general election, and we've seen in the past, you know, possibly the sun newspaper sort of had on their front page on the day before the election or the or the same day as the election vote conservative. i think actually back in 97, it might have been 97 where they said vote labour. you know, they do have a massive influence on politics. newspapers. >> i think that has changed to some extent, obviously simply because of the decline in circulation and the power of the press to involve the readers or the readers of the powerful, the power behind any newspaper. we had more than 4 million readers a day at one point. yeah. and that has dwindled substantially since then. so clearly the two things go together. if you've got a big readership, then politicians respond to their views and our proud boast on the sun is that we're pretty much in

touch with our readers . touch with our readers. >> you used to see people in the morning, trevor going to the local paper shop, get the pint of milk and the newspaper, pack the fags on the way to work, and they'd be sitting there in their work vans or whatever, reading the sun or the daily mail or whatever newspaper they read. but now it's the phone and people and i accuse people or journalists have been lazy sometimes cut and paste journalists. but i think as readers sometimes were a little bit lazy. we just read the headlines, the paper's got the click and they've got the hits on twitter or facebook or whatever, and they're on their way. >> that's right. and i think that the passing traffic, which is the sort of core of our readership, people who see the headune readership, people who see the headline on the top half of the folded newspaper on the racks, they have disappeared since covid, basically, covid killed that other part of our passing traffic trade . i think that, we traffic trade. i think that, we are naturally inclined to take our news based on the headline and the first paragraph. yeah, yeah, we might get as far as the third paragraph, but most people don't go much further than that.

it's a real test, actually, of a story's power. if they get right to the end and the local papers have suffered as well, because in my local paper and i don't like mentioning it because they're not very nice to me, but my local paper used to be free, and that would go to, i don't know, maybe 100,000 houses locally in three different constituencies . constituencies. >> but the one thing they don't do now, which used to pay for the paper was adverts, was for cars, was for houses , used to cars, was for houses, used to have situations vacant in there. so all these different organisations would be advertising, you know, the cars and whatever. but that revenue has gone now because again, smartphone on there , you can smartphone on there, you can literally buy a new car on your phone within five minutes. >> absolutely. that's our lifeblood. that's our revenue stream gone up in smoke. and we now have a situation where the social media giants google and face facebook and so on. they gobble up about 85 plus percent of the advertising revenue worldwide. so we're left with a tiny fragment which we share among ourselves, which is not

enough, really, to man a newspaper with the sort of staff you need to cover in depth the stories that deserve to be covered. and one of the big casualties of this is those local newspapers that you just discussed, there was a time when everyone got their local news from their local newspaper , from their local newspaper, which they read from cover to coven which they read from cover to cover. they learned about planning applications, they learned about court cases, about county court cases. none of that appears anymore. people do not man. newspapers do not cover all of those things anymore . so you of those things anymore. so you know nothing about what's going on. >> so that is the uk national newspapers for your national news, your politics, your football , your sport, whatever. football, your sport, whatever. even in our local on a saturday night, we used to get what's called the football post. we used to get , called the football post. we used to get, you go to called the football post. we used to get , you go to the used to get, you go to the football match and by the time you got home or got to a local pub and got a pint in front of you and the and a packet of scratchings, there'd be a bloke come around with a big satchel, football post there, and you'd be reading all the football results, because that was probably the only time or the

first time of the day when you could actually find out all the other football results, and that was great back in the day. but is that ever going to come back? trevor. >> no, it'll never come back. and i think that what we're losing is not just newspapers, which is a great shame. it's sort of core democracy because it's at that level, local newspapers where democracy begins, you know, what your local authorities are doing. you know , whether the sort of know, whether the sort of residents associations that represent some councils are really representing people that they're supposed to represent nowadays. you don't know who your councillors are . you your councillors are. you certainly don't know, on a broader scale, who your meps were. yes. so that sort of hands on touch of direct contact between politicians and the electors is gone. >> and also you get good juicy gossip at the local papers as well. so and so's been known for drunk driving or he's, he's been caught shoplifting or you know , caught shoplifting or you know, stuff like that. and the, the old curtains, curtains will be twitching. there'll be women out on the street, you know, spreading gossip and you have

the secretary of the rumour committee, on the corner of street, you know, who's read the local paper and, you know, telling all and sundry about what im at number 22 has been up to. so we've lost all that as well. we have. >> and i used to work on a local newspaper where the staff was bigger than in some national newspapers , a weekly newspaper newspapers, a weekly newspaper with a whole bunch of subeditors and reporters in district offices and we would cover events which we would then send up to fleet street to the nationals. and the challenge was to turn a local story into a national story. and that's how the flow of information used to go. and it doesn't anymore . it's go. and it doesn't anymore. it's all gossip on twitter. >> and unfortunately, because like, news is so instant these days and a lot sometimes, and they get caught out doing this, some of these, newspapers get caught up online on twitter or facebook by rushing to get a headune. facebook by rushing to get a headline . sometimes politicians headline. sometimes politicians get caught out with it as well. ihave get caught out with it as well. i have certainly in the past where you've seen something and you think, oh, i want to get that out, like just quickly and get get all the clicks and, you know, be the star of the, of the

web today. but it can be a dangerous game sometimes that can spread this information. >> i think it can. and we as journalists can also get caught out because we need to file instantly as things are happening and you can put your foot in it in a way you just didn't know you were doing until suddenly it blows up in your face and it's a hornet's nest that you suddenly disturbed and they're all around you and you're paying a big price. >> but the internet is here to stay, trevor. it's not going anywhere. people are glued to their phones and it is a little bit sad that people aren't going into the paper shop and picking up that magazine or picking up that newspaper, you know? and i guess young people now are being born into a society where you don't buy newspapers. you just look on your phone. we see children in restaurants with their families, on their tablets, on the phone. you see a family of six people there on a table, nobody talking to each other , and they're all getting other, and they're all getting their little bits of info, of their little bits of info, of the phone. is it sort of killing society in, in that respect, do you think? >> well, i think it is. and i keep thinking, well, you know, vinyl records are making a comeback. maybe one day

newspapers will make a comeback. but i think that we're now attuned to getting our gratification, whatever it happens to be, from that thing on your in your hand. yeah. from the tv , from the not even the tv the tv, from the not even the tv anymore. i think mostly it's tablets and phones. and i think also that shrinks people's relationships with one another because they're not talking to one another. families aren't, as you say, talking to one another around the dinner table. they're looking at their phones. and i think that's. >> but it doesn't help . i was in >> but it doesn't help. i was in we spoke about singapore earlier and i was in a few of their restaurants last week, and they didn't even have a menu. some of the bars you had to scan a qr code. that's right, and order your meal and put your card details. and i was like, i don't want to do that. i want to speak to somebody. i want to ask them what that meal was like, how many, you know, bits of fish you get on that plate, and it's sort of spoiling the whole thing. it's stopping people talking to each other and just wait for artificial intelligence. >> there won't be anybody serving you at all. come on. >> a trolley like, well, talking about artificial intelligence, we've got stephen pound coming up next on on the show for right

versus left. but it's been a pleasure to talk to you. thanks a lot trevor. thank you.

right. it's time for right versus left. a special edition. this week we've got chloe dobbs, political commentator. we've got sir vince cable and former labour mp stephen pound . we're labour mp stephen pound. we're going to build this section as, beauty and the beasts. i'm not sure which one's a beauty. i'm fairly sure. which. which pair are the beasts? i'm looking at them right now. look, i've just been to singapore on the home affairs select committee, where i was cruelly booted off halfway through the, the tour was doing an inquiry into scamming love scams, investment scams , that scams, investment scams, that sort of thing. and speaking to bankers, speaking to their politicians , went into their politicians, went into their parliament, etc. now when i was there, i thought , well, this is there, i thought, well, this is not a bad place to live. singapore. there's hardly any crime, there's no illegal migration, it's clean, there's no yobbish behaviour out in the

streets. and i'm thinking to myself, sir vince , we could myself, sir vince, we could learn a lot from this country. now, you've done a little bit on singapore before, i believe. >> yeah, i've written about lee kuan yew. was the guy who founded it, one of the great heroes of the last century, and creating a great success story. and the reason it's a big economic success story is that they've got this combination , on they've got this combination, on one hand, of free enterprise and free trade with a very strong government that gets the pension funds and puts their money into pubuc funds and puts their money into public sector housing and what we'd call council housing here. most people live in public sector housing, and it's raised their living standard to higher than british levels now. so it's, you know, economically it's, you know, economically it's a great success. so that's one thing i noticed, steve and i like sir vince says there the government. >> so it is a little bit authoritarian to put it mildly. well to put it mildly, but i think for the right reasons, because they're sort of encouraging people to save so much money each week that goes into a private pot and that pots their money. it earns interest, and that goes to pay for things like university fees for the

children. if they want to withdraw from that money to buy a house or extra health care needs. so it sounds fairly civilised. >> it's not an opt in and an opt out situation. you've got no choice about it. but look, i mean, the thought of you being dragged out of the raffles hotel and kicked off the committee in the middle of the thing, it's disgraceful. i mean, what has happened to parliament? i'm sorry, but getting getting back to what? you know, the old argument about if you give up some of your liberty in exchange for security, you end up with nehheni for security, you end up with neither. i think the situation you've got in singapore, first of all, it's a tiny it's about 5.5 million people. i think it's a population, which is about the same as scotland. and you can do things with a smaller population, but in reality they do have a very, very interesting economy, but only works if nobody else did it around that because, you know, they are the honeypot economy in that asean area. so i think if you're actually talking about birching people and flogging them for being illegal immigrants, i don't think i think we're slightly better than that in this country. let's not go there. i'm sorry. i mean, ijust don't think we can do it. i think even the isle of man stopped doing that. >> well, look, i mean, look, chloe, no one is suggesting for one minute that we bring back

the birch or bring back public hanging as it was in stephen's day. but there there's not a problem in singapore with illegal migration because they have really strict penalties , have really strict penalties, i.e. if you are caught, you do get three lashes of the cane. it sounds a bit barbaric and you get up to six months in prison, hence no illegal migration. but i think we could learn a lot from their from their benefit system, if you like. everybody goes to work in singapore. they work hard , they pay into the work hard, they pay into the pot. they, like i said before, this , this it's a great scheme. this, this it's a great scheme. if you were setting up a new country today , i think it would country today, i think it would use the singaporean model to, you know, to pay people's welfare bills, pay for school and pay for their health care system, and generally have a decent society and they're not running around in singapore with machetes and zombie knives, hacking each other to death. >> i think that britain can definitely learn a lot from singapore on migrants, on healthcare , on crime in general, healthcare, on crime in general, on migrants. no, i'm not suggesting that. i'm not suggesting that. i'm not suggesting we should whip people who come to this country illegally, but i don't think they should be put up in a five

star hotel. i think that there should be strict consequences for that. also, you've got loads of migrants here working, just cash in hand off the radar, undocumented , don't know who undocumented, don't know who they are. whereas in singapore, employers can get over two years in prison if they employ an illegal migrant. same with policing on the streets. needs to be tougher, needs to be stricter. maybe not as strict as singapore, but i've seen several videos this week of machetes being used in broad daylight in london. it'sjust being used in broad daylight in london. it's just unacceptable. we need to do something about it. >> what? you're missing out though. the one thing you're missing out there is the fact that if you go to singapore, you have have to have an id card, yourid have have to have an id card, your id card gets updated every three months. you can actually go to prison if you do not have an updated id card. that's why you don't have the people working in the car washes. you don't have all that. that idea of the hidden economy. now, what i'd say is people like you, lee, would you actually be prepared to see everybody in this country have to have to, by law, have an id card, because that's what you needif id card, because that's what you need if you're going to have a country like singapore. >> well, i think what we're missing actually, is that the migration policy in singapore is their dirty little secret. i mean, they have large numbers of

people from indonesia and bangladesh who come in. they're not known about, but they're living in dormitories, working very low wages as part of the success of their economy is that they've got these people, and they've got these people, and they were exposed during the pandemic because they disease spread like wildfire . a lot of spread like wildfire. a lot of people died. and that's not something that i like to talk about. >> a lot of the police are sikhs. have you noticed that? >> yeah, we've. so that's another thing, steve. and whilst i was there in the week i was in singapore, i never saw one policeman, i never saw one policeman, i never saw one police car. and there's a reason for that. but you know, you talk about the id cards. it's something that, you know, i should be against id cards, but i think times have changed in this country at the moment. and although i am , you know, opposed although i am, you know, opposed to them, i think in maybe now there is a case for introducing some sort of system because like chloe says, there's people in the, in the black economy now, we don't know who they are. it's a simple idea. we could say, hold on a minute, mate. you shouldn't be here on your way. >> chloe. yeah, i don't think

that having an id card is a massive infringement on your on your freedom. >> a lot of people do, but i know a lot of people do. >> now, i'm not suggesting we go to a system where you have to show your id card for literally everything, or you want to walk into the shop and buy a pack of crisps. okay, show your id card. i'm not suggesting. and with everything, as i've said before, singapore is extremely strict. i'm not saying that we emulate them exactly , but we can at them exactly, but we can at least learn some things from them. their health care system. much, much better, much better outcomes. they only spent on steven's point about the id cards we all carry an id card anyway. >> of course we do. we've all got mobile phone. if you have a certain age and you haven't got a mobile phone, you've got your bus pass in your wallet. so we carry them anyway. >> yeah. so we have a kind of informal id system anyway. but the problems arose. i mean, tony blair was very keen on this idea at one point and, and we debated it in parliament and the kind of problems that arise is if you're walking down the road, a police officer stops you, says, where's yourid officer stops you, says, where's your id card ? i haven't got one

your id card? i haven't got one left it at home. what does the police officer do ? you take you police officer do? you take you into custody? does he just say, well, do better next time? >> so i mean, if the police catch, if the police catch you for speeding and you don't have your license, you have a producer, you have a producer, you have to go to the station and produce it later. it's not like they're right off you go to prison because you didn't care. >> when we had the debate in the house, i can still remember the tory mp standing up. i said, have you seen the great escape? give me your papers, please. you know, and it was all that sort of talk. yeah. i'm sorry. you're absolutely right. we do all carry them with us. and i have to say, when my kids were young, they used to long to have id cards because, like, if you went into a shop to buy some fags and obviously you wouldn't, you know, but if you, if you did, you know, you'd have to produce a proof of age. when my kids used to want to go to the pub, mostly to find out what i was up to, you know, they couldn't get into unless they had an id card. >> yeah, but it's not as simple as you say. i mean, we saw we as you say. i mean, we saw we saw as you say. i mean, we saw we saw in the election a few weeks ago a large number. poor old, poor old boris johnson, boris johnson amongst others, being not allowed to vote. hilarious. they were carrying their idea. no. >> don't you know who i am?

>> don't you know who i am? >> this is not a simple matter. >> this is not a simple matter. >> it's interesting. i mean, yeah, i mean, we should actually be opposed to id cards, but we live in a world, vince, that's changing all the time. and, you know, we we're going to have record numbers this year of illegal migrants crossing the channel. don't know who they channel. we don't know who they are, they're from. they are, where they're from. they actually throw their passports away. get into away. listen, if they get into this country, keep your head down for 2 or 3 years. >> we have a thing in this country called the regularisation of overstayers protocol, which means you keep your head down, work in a carwash, work. i don't care where you work, as long as you're not actually in trouble with the law. at the end of 2 or 3 years you can say, i've set down my roots and, you know, now ihave down my roots and, you know, now i have the right to. >> but if you're an overstayer in singapore, you get you get chucked in the clink. stephen. >> so indeed you do. and i'm amazed that you got back. >> well, we're going to move to something now, guys, which is the one thing that stephen pound fears than anything else. fears more than anything else. >> empty glass. >> an empty glass. >> an empty glass. >> not an empty glass. not >> no, not an empty glass. not going to the bar to get around in. but the yes or no quiz. he's never actually won. this quiz in the is about ten times you've been honest, even in simple questions . we want simple questions. we want simple answers and we'll start with you stephen. first, should we bring back capital punishment? no vince. no, no. whoa number two chloe should reform uk form an

alliance with the conservative party. no, no no, stephen. number three, were the government whips right to turf me off the home affairs select committee? no no, no. wow. i can't believe it . can't believe it. >> number four. chloe, should we stop paying money to france, we were trying to allegedly control the illegal migration. the migrants coming over? yes. no no, no, stephen, i can't believe it, and final question, stephen, do we have enough working class people in parliament? no, no , people in parliament? no, no, no, five or. >> can't believe it ? >> can't believe it? >> can't believe it? >> this is this is a world's first stephen pound has got five out of five. >> he's been practising. >> he's been practising. >> stephen, have you been looking in the mirror? seriously? have you been practising? >> listen, mate, i don't have any mirrors in my house, for obvious reasons. >> yeah, but it's quite obvious to me, vince, do you want to come back on one? >> no, i think we were at a consensus here, let's just talk about working class people in

parliament. you describe yourself as working class. >> well, when i came into the house in 97, there were two of us who had worked in a manual trade and clive efford, who was a cab driver, and i'd been a hospital porter, and i'd been on the buses for years. and i thought, that's just absolutely ridiculous . the thought, that's just absolutely ridiculous. the problem i thought, that's just absolutely ridiculous . the problem i really ridiculous. the problem i really have is you've now got a completely new political class. they'll go to oxford or cambridge, do the ppe, get the double first, go off and, you know, do a couple of years in daddy's firm or somebody as a, you know, in the city somewhere, then come and get work as an adviser, you know, and there's a whole job stream there which people are just being wafted effortlessly through. vince vince was a councillor in glasgow. he's paid his dues and i was i was also a milkman at one stage. well, i'm sorry . yeah. >> my cv. >> my cv. >> yeah, yeah, yeah, i think i need some so sean connery was a milkman in edinburgh, so he was a councillor. vince i think chloe might need some counselling after this session. working class people . chloe in working class people. chloe in parliament. is there enough? >> no, i don't think there's enough. and i think that democracy is facing a real crisis because people feel like their politicians are so out of touch with them. and unlike

them, and consequently are not doing any of the things that people vote for, especially migration. and democracy is consequently really losing its credibility. we've got other countries that are authoritarian who are looking at the west, looking at our country and others and thinking, it's an absolute clown show. democracy doesn't get people anything good. and i think that's a great shame. so definitely more working class people who are actually in touch with what real people think. >> so a clown show. >> so a clown show. >> yeah, i'm not looking at you, stephen. >> do you know, i think it's good that parliament has become more diverse in many ways. there are more women and more ethnic minorities, but it's becoming less diverse in respect of social class. fewer and fewer people who've left school at 16. >> we're going to leave it there. sorry, stephen. i've got to cut you off. just, you know, quit while you're ahead. it's the first time ever you've got five. >> i just wanted to have a recount, but it is a draw. so you've not one. that's a yes or no quiz with stephen, with sir vince, and with chloe.

it's time for last orders with precious myrrh. you are a tv personality, a broadcaster, reality tv star. yes. what's all that about? >> i mean , i started doing mtv >> i mean, i started doing mtv when i was working in new york for about ten years as a full time model, and, i kind of got a taste for it. and i was experiencing different things. opportunities came, came up, and then i got back to london and i was offered the circle on channel 4. so i was really, what is it? >> i'm a little bit ignorant. precious. what is a circle? >> the circle is a reality television show where people basically live individually in apartments , and you communicate apartments, and you communicate with each other through a television screen so you don't actually see each other, you don't actually, like, communicate face to face. it's all through technology. >> can you can you see what the people look like? you can. >> but this is the thing. some people are pretending to be somebody else . so the picture

somebody else. so the picture that was actually on screen may or may not have been internet dating. there we go. it was it was very scary, mentally challenging because obviously it's draining to have to communicate. you're not interacting. you know, so you're not seeing the person's reaction and getting a vibe from them. so it's really super scary. if you didn't really know who that person really is. >> so they say it's reality tv, but it's not real really, is it? because it's a totally different world? >> well, i don't want to give too much secrets away, but it was more or less reality tv, like there was a lot of, moments where it was just kind of like winging it. we didn't know what was happening . and then there was happening. and then there obviously is like, do this task, do that task , you know, set do that task, you know, set schedule. they'll wake you up with the lights. you don't get to like pick and choose when you wake up as well. it's like super funny . you wake up when the funny. you wake up when the light's bright and you just basically get told to go in. >> so with the modelling and the reality tv stuff, obviously, then you start to get recognised on the street. people know who you are, you've got your social media presence. so how does that

change your life? >> it dramatically changes your life. i mean , obviously going life. i mean, obviously going back to when i was 19 years old, 19 years old, living in new york and being a model, you know, you get these big experiences like walking into , like macy's and walking into, like macy's and seeing your face, but you're not technically famous yet. you're just a working model. but when you do reality tv, it kind of throws you in the deep end and you're not really understanding what fame is. and you then start getting recognised. people are like, you know, like asking you these weird questions and really wanting to know everything about you. and that's when things change. >> so is there sometimes , i >> so is there sometimes, i guess, you know, when you're in the public eye, you just think, oh, i wish i could just go away for a week and go somewhere where nobody knows me. >> yeah, well, i mean, even if you do that , someone is going to you do that, someone is going to be on your social media trying to figure out where you are. so i've been i've learned that you never post when you're at the location just for safety reasons and, you know, kind of keeping youn and, you know, kind of keeping your, you know, personal life, your, you know, personal life, your relationship kind of to the

minimum because otherwise you can end up, you know, ruining your keep your family off as well. >> keep your family. >> keep your family. >> yeah. i think it's really safe, to it's a really good thing to do if you're wanting to keep your family out of it, because some of them just want to live a normal life. >> so you don't take this the wrong way , precious. you look wrong way, precious. you look a particular way. very glamorous. thank you. you know, you've done up to the nines, as they say in my neck of the woods. so there'll be young girls looking at people like you as. as role models to see the way you look. they want to copy you. they're under a lot of pressure . young under a lot of pressure. young girls are now especially. they use the filters on their phones. they want to. >> they do, they do. >> they do, they do. >> and it's a little i think sometimes that's a little bit dangerous because it can affect their mental health. it can lead to bullying online and trolling. so what sort of advice would you give to these young ladies looking at you and wanting to say, i want to be like precious? >> well, this is the thing. >> well, this is the thing. >> i don't believe that anybody under 16 should be on social media unless it's being , you media unless it's being, you know, monitored by their parents very, very well. because it can be overwhelming. and you, you are seeing a lot of people on

there that you want to aspire to be. and i mean , my thing is be. and i mean, my thing is basically i want to inspire you to do the best, be the greatest, but i don't want you to be me. and i really try to you know, influence people in that way. i want them to be the best that they can be, because not everyone, not everything you see on socials is real. >> that's true. and not every young man or young woman is going to be beautiful. it's going to be beautiful. it's going to be a model. but i'm a big believer that everybody is going to be good at something or they can be good. >> everyone has a talent and that's the thing. you've got to find your niche. you've got to find your niche. you've got to find where you are in this world instead of trying to follow somebody else. i mean , as much somebody else. i mean, as much as we all love those beautiful, glamorous events and we love to see someone on the red carpet, we also want to see them wearing no makeup and the hair in a bun and just being them, their real selves , because that's more selves, because that's more authentic. and i think the more we do that , that will help the we do that, that will help the younger generation. but the thing is, everything is about social media and nobody really cares about real life. >> so social media, obviously you've got a presence on there, precious. there's a bit of trolling , a little bit of trolling, a little bit of bullying. what do you do with

these? >> i mean, people, it gets overwhelming sometimes in the comments. i try not to interact, but if you pick me on the wrong day, i'm going to respond and i'm going to make time for you. but honestly, i just basically try to avoid them and block them. >> are you a blocker? >> are you a blocker? >> i am a blocker. like i would literally look at your profile and then go, and then i'll block you. >> that sounds really look well behind the bar for a reason. >> every week we get a special guest on yes. and you are our special guest this week to do on the pole. >> okay . >> okay. >> okay. >> we've got political commentator who i think is absolutely great. chloe dobbs. she's back in the building. come on, chloe, come up and we'll give you a pint pot each. so there's one for chloe. thank you. and there's one for you, precious . and it's dead easy. precious. and it's dead easy. have you pulled? >> i've never pulled a pint before. >> i've heard that before. >> i've heard that before. >> is there a technique? >> is there a technique? >> there is a technique you put the beer in the glass. >> you've got 30s to do it. >> oh, 30s. 30s. okay >> oh, 30s. 30s. okay >> yeah. starting from now, we go together. >> go together? >> go together? >> okay. let's go. go look at chloe. >> she's done it before. so she's got. >> yeah, she's got the 45 degree till she's working a little bit

frothy , precious. yours. not frothy, precious. yours. not bad. i had to tilt it a little bit, but come on, chloe. oh, you're making a mess of this. >> oh, and then when you've done it, plonk it on the bottom, i think i did quite well for my first time. >> and, >> and, >> boom. >> boom. >> not bad for first effort. chloe, you've done this before . actually. >> the beer. i had it at the shop angle. possible, but this is a bad frothy. >> a bad workman blames his tools. i think you're blaming your tools. >> i would wait, and then i'd chop it up more just to know you've got a crowded bar. >> people want serving. you can't say, wait, it's not a guinness, is it? it's just a lager . so why guinness, is it? it's just a lager. so why is that guinness, is it? it's just a lager . so why is that worse than lager. so why is that worse than the last time you poured a pint? >> because that one's better than this one. okay, so what about you, precious? >> i think won . i >> i think won. i >> i think won. i >> do you think if you did that again, you'd pull a better first time? >> yeah, because i think there's a technique. once you've mastered the technique, you can do anything. >> okay, so, chloe, you're two young ladies. yes, you do different things, you do your reality tv stuff, and you've done your modelling. yeah chloe's a young lady. she's into politics. she's a political nerd

i >> -- >> she's a very beautiful, a mathematical genius. >> and she does her own sort of onune >> and she does her own sort of online instagram stuff with politics. and, you know, you should watch her really get to chloe dobbs's instagram. it's absolutely brilliant. she does some really good talks and clips, and i think you've put me on there a few times as well, aren't you? i have you raise my profile didn't you. >> yes of course. >> yeah. so it's a bit of payback to get on it. so chloe, you've got a mark precious out of ten for that pint. seven. >> oh, no pressure now. >> oh, no pressure now. >> no pressure now. precious. >> no pressure now. precious. >> i think she did. >> i think she did. >> well, i mean, but take it into account she has done it before, you see. so that should before, you see. so that should be perfect. >> see now this is ready now to get top. top. >> oh no. >> oh no. >> and what you like it thinking. >> pulled a bit i love you. >> pulled a bit i love you. >> yeah, yeah, yeah i may look fancy, but i do love a little pint on the sunday. >> so what are you going to give her out of ten? >> i would say 7.5 because you do pretty well. >> we've got seven fast a 7.5. >> we've got seven fast a 7.5. >> i think they both came out pretty even. i'd call it a draw. in all honesty. >> chloe, i'll ask you a killer question. now, would you ever consider doing reality tv?

>> i would potentially , it >> i would potentially, it depends what it involves. >> okay, well, lots of money if it if it's one of these dating shows. >> absolutely. no way. no. absolutely no way. >> a challenging show and definitely not i'm a celebrity get me out of here. >> i do not want to eat kangaroo. no. thank you. no. >> can we just bleep that out please i think that's already been bleeped out chloe is that is that does that count as a swear word. >> yeah. what's the what. >> yeah. what's the what. >> i think you're looking for testicles. >> that's the word kangaroo. >> that's the word kangaroo. >> it doesn't mean. yeah kangaroo testicles. not the b word. chloe chloe, thanks for coming back on. i don't think you'll be coming on in the near future, precious. thank you. darling. >> that's lovely. thank you so much. >> on the pole with precious and the legendary chloe dobbs. big thanks for watching. lea anderson's real world. it's been another cracking show. more of the same next week. but coming up next, we've got friday night live with mark dolan. mark, what's occurring ? what's occurring? >> thank you lee. brilliant show. well, we'll pick up the baton in just a couple of minutes. time for friday night

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sexiest man? well . sexiest man? well. to fall out over those topics and to many more. to fall out over those topics and to many more . friday, a team and to many more. friday, a team including a radio legend who proved to be far too good for the bbc, liz kershaw , mike the bbc, liz kershaw, mike hollingsworth, the man who pretty much invented breakfast tv in the uk, which means that piers morgan is his fault. oh, and last but not least, a top criminal barrister who will represent . anyone if the price represent. anyone if the price is right. yes, it's gerry , i'll is right. yes, it's gerry, i'll get you off. don't worry haz, even you, mr dolan. my friday feeling monologue is coming and lots of brickbats from gerry hayes on my friday friends. but first, the news headlines and sam francis