in handlova, outside the meeting in handlova, outside the capital bratislava. officials could be seen bundling the prime minister into a car. shortly after several shots were heard hitting mr fico in the abdomen, he was then airlifted to hospital, where his condition is now life threatening. one man has now been detained by authorities as the country's president condemned the assassination attempt , assassination attempt, describing it as a brutal attack. mr fico won power for a fourth time last october and has implemented more pro—russian policies. he's pledged to stop military support for ukraine and threatened to veto the country's membership in nato. in other news, emergency measures are now in place across england to deal with overcrowded prisons. it means defendants in police custody will remain there and won't be transferred to courts for bail hearings. the labour leader used today's prime minister's questions to reference a report saying high risk prisoners are being let out up to 70 days early without

sufficient planning . new sufficient planning. new proposals could see schools in england banned from teaching students about gender identity. the government's review would also see all sex education halted for children under the age of nine. the prime minister ordered the review last year amid concerns some children were being exposed to inappropriate content. reports suggest parents will be provided samples of sex education content before lessons take place . police could make take place. police could make more use of existing stop and search powers as part of new measures to tackle knife crime. the searches were curbed a decade ago by then home secretary theresa may, after it was found minorities were being disproportionately targeted. £55 million will be invested into developing new technology, which could help police detect suspects carrying knives by scanning them from a distance . scanning them from a distance. and if you've ever found yourself stuck on hold, how

about waiting 800 years? now thatis about waiting 800 years? now that is just how long people in britain spent waiting to talk to the taxman. last year, a damning report from the government spending watchdog found taxpayers were on hold to hmrc for around 7,000,000 hours in that tax year. it was less than half that time before the covid pandemic. fewer calls are now being answered and those who do manage to get through spend longer on the phone amid what's being called a declining spiral of customer service . for the of customer service. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to . nigel. now it's back to. nigel. >> lockdown was a real shock to many parents. you see, when your kids go to school from the age of about 7 to 18, and when they come home and say, darling, how was your day? what did you learn today? they say nothing. it's as if kids never want to tell their

parents what they've been taught or not been taught at school. it's their own little private secret world. but with lockdown, suddenly kids of all ages were in the kitchen or in their bedrooms, logged on, and mums and dads who were there locked down as well could hear what they were being taught. and there were many, many cases i know of, some close to me where parents were genuinely shocked at some of the things their kids were being taught because they thought it was being done inappropriately . now the inappropriately. now the government comes out overnight and says, we will stop. sex and relationship education for kids at primary school. we think that up until that age of at least 9 or 1011, it's wrong for this to be done. and it's ironic really, because it was this government who made it compulsory in primary schools back in september 2020. but as with so many things , the conservatives many things, the conservatives will fight the next election pretending that everything that happenedin pretending that everything that happened in the last 14 years wasn't really them. but that's

not really the point here. if we wanted to talk about hypocrisy of conservative statements , we'd of conservative statements, we'd never achieve anything. i want to get to a more fundamental point. what is the appropriate age to teach kids about relationships, to teach kids that not everybody has a male father, a female mother? there are homosexual relationships. there are other choices that some adults make. and what is the right age to talk about sex education and where we come from? because kids ask that question from the age of five, six, seven, whatever it may be. and how do you do it? and i think there's little doubt that there are some schools that have been teaching very inappropriate material. so my question and this is one of those questions that perhaps doesn't have a straightforward answer because it depends how the subject is handled, but it does really matter what is the appropriate age for relationships . and, you

age for relationships. and, you know, for sex and where we come from, what is the appropriate age for this stuff to start to be taught? let me know what you think. farage @gbnews. com i'm joined in the studio by chloe abbott, founder and director of education choices magazine, and down the line by emma hardy, mother and campaigner. chloe, let's start with you. as i say, this is not one of those absolutely black and white issues of what is right, what is wrong. what we do know is that there have been cases in schools of wholly inappropriate material being put in front of kids of 6 or 7 years old. how do you think we should deal with this issue, i think from our perspective, and obviously we have done a number of interviews with leading heads like nick hewlett from saint dunstan's , who have from saint dunstan's, who have a lot of concerns surrounding the children's commission report in

2023, when it stated, actually that 27% of children by the age of 11 have come across, some form of pornography online. and i think that further to that, there are concerns amongst parents about perhaps children being allowed to be children. and where, where does education step in and what's the right time? the government guidelines , time? the government guidelines, really, are very open. they the for the primary curriculum, to date, since you said 2020, the primary curriculum is very much about healthy relationships , about healthy relationships, having relationships. and then year six, which probably to you won't mean much, but to teachers, they all know that

come 1011, that's when, obviously puberty and adolescence and human biology. so that's the right time, is it? today?i so that's the right time, is it? today? i think i haven't got examples of the poor examples. but to date that is fairly standard in the majority of schools . schools. >> and there will be schools. and we've heard cases where very inappropriate material was shown to young children . that should to young children. that should in a sense, that should be a disciplinary matter, shouldn't it, that's something i, i'm, i just couldn't comment on it. i haven't, i haven't given the kids leave, given that kids leave primary school normally at 11. >> the government overnight having u—turned on its previous advice , is now saying there advice, is now saying there should be no sex education for 11 year olds that nine year olds, well , 11 year olds that nine year olds, well, is it nine? 11 year olds that nine year olds, well , is it nine? is it ten? >> it's i mean, it's not obviously to date no being released. >> but but you think sort of nine 1011 the bbc news are

reporting it's going to be nine year olds. okay. i get from your i get from what you're saying you think 9 or 10 is about the right age? >> i think that in the majority of cases , at that point they're of cases, at that point they're about to leave. they're going to then go on to a senior school setting in the majority with older kids . and obviously older kids. and obviously they're going to be starting to , they're going to be starting to, to change themselves. yeah, but l, to change themselves. yeah, but i, i would also make it clear in the government guidelines, if parents are not happy, it's very explicit on this , and do not explicit on this, and do not wish their children to attend. they do not have to. and that is made very clear. >> i know, but the problem is parents. and i said this at the start of my talk that, you know, busy parents both working and they ask the kid, how was the day? what did you learn? and kids just sort of don't want to tell their parents what's happened. it's often quite difficult for parents to know at what point kids are being taught the policy. >> again, in the government guidelines, policies , school guidelines, policies, school policies. and it's down to each individual school should always

be made very clear to, to parents so that that's the first thing if. yeah, what is going to be taught should should be available to them. but the, the, the suggestion to date from, from what we know is that schools do send letters out and alert parents and possibly even meet invite the parents in if the parents have concerns and talk to them so that they can navigate a path that works so on balance , provide again, it's balance, provide again, it's about each school and how it's done. >> and we know that on balance it has what's been said today, is it about right, i think that to be honest, from what i've heard so far, i think that obviously healthy relationships and mummies and daddies and kind of all of that was being taught, but certainly anything sexual,

sex education, gender identity, anything like that, that's not ever suggested in a primary school setting, particularly unless it needed to be addressed, that comes in in the secondary education criteria. >> yeah, yeah . you're really >> yeah, yeah. you're really advising a fairly cautionary approach to the way in which this is done. i'm joined now by emma hardy, mother and campaigner. and i know, emma, you have had some you have had your concerns in the past about some of the material that's been put in front of quite young children. >> yes, definitely, from, from primary school. right >> yes, definitely, from, from primary school . right the way primary school. right the way through to secondary school. yes >> give us the examples at a because today we're predominantly talking about primary schools. we're talking about age appropriateness. just give us your particular case study with primary schools. >> so our experience was that gender ideology is being taught to children, certainly from year

five. and that includes the idea that you can be a boy, a girl, or neither , which is obviously or neither, which is obviously incredibly confusing , and incredibly confusing, and incorrect . incorrect. >> well, i mean, there are different opinions on that, but i understand what you're saying. so you're basically i mean, look, at some point, you know, kids as they grow up need to be taught that there are differences and people make different choices as they always have done, and that we should be teaching kids that we, you know, should love and respect people regardless of the choices they make. but this is all about what's appropriate. so you're saying that this is being this sort of thing is being taught to kids far too young, and it's confusing them. so the idea that a primary school child can understand that this is a contested belief , that that contested belief, that that people have an innate gender gendered soul and that we all have one. >> and it may or may not match

your biological sex that in itself is far too complex for a primary school aged child to understand. so the messages that these very young children take home are that you can literally be what, whatever you want to be and that all forms of discrimination are wrong. so those are some two, two big red flags for me. >> okay. and just let me ask you, emma, how do you think we should approach the issue of gay relationships? >> so obviously relationships are a part of what we've just you've been talking about there and there are same sex parents and there are same sex parents and same sex families , and that and same sex families, and that is a part of, part of life. and same sex families, and that is a part of, part of life . and is a part of, part of life. and that's absolutely something that should be discussed at school, i don't have a problem with discussing. families come in different shapes and sizes, but as far as talking about people's, sexual preferences,

i'm not sure that that's really relevant at primary school . relevant at primary school. >> okay, so let me ask you, emma, what age do you think it will be appropriate to begin to have these kind of difficult conversations , i think sex conversations, i think sex education, biology, i think towards the end of primary school , you could, discuss the school, you could, discuss the biological nature of sex, what we've what we've started to see is something that's, more , more is something that's, more, more akin to sexual preferences, rather than just the reproduction and the scientific aspect of sex. i think that's really what we should be. focusing on at that age. >> and you've written a book about all of this . about all of this. >> i haven't written a book, but my daughter did bring home a book. >> it was. yeah, yeah . >> it was. yeah, yeah. >> it was. yeah, yeah. >> yes. so she was at secondary school, when she brought home a book from the school library. which contained, subject matter

that we are certainly not, not, not appropriate for, for such a young age and not educational ehhen young age and not educational either, in my opinion . either, in my opinion. >> yeah. no, i mean, and that was admittedly at secondary school. emma, thank you very much indeed forjoining us this much indeed for joining us this evening . and, you know, i mean, evening. and, you know, i mean, emma makes the point about this book her daughter brought home, albeit that was at secondary school and looking , to be honest school and looking, to be honest with you, chloe, at the language that's used in it. yeah. it's, it's, it's frankly vile. but i think actually between the two of you, you know, she's a obviously a very concerned parent. i think there is a sort of general agreement that it's towards the end of primary school when this debate should be happening. yeah. it's the sort of ten, 11. but prior to that, what should we be doing ? that, what should we be doing? because people because kids are asking questions, aren't they? >> i think that , schools are >> i think that, schools are very aware that they have a duty of care and i think that if

something arises or they become aware of something, i think that then, as adults with responsibility towards those children , each situation has to children, each situation has to be dealt with with discretion , be dealt with with discretion, and appropriately to that scenario . so, i think that scenario. so, i think that perhaps, some of the concern that, that people are feeling is about the addendum to what's being said that further to that, there can be no teaching of, of gender identity. and there's, there's different things being thrown around and, and i think that, you know , online safety that, you know, online safety increasingly is something, you know , the commissioner's report know, the commissioner's report did say that 27% of children had had i know, i know, i know , and had i know, i know, i know, and yeah, and no and whatever efforts are made and obviously what goes on at home is one thing. but schools have to also look at the bigger picture and yeah, and whatever checks that

whatever checks and balances you put on these things still exist. >> they're going to go on existing and people will find ways around whatever restrictions we put on. thank you. my pleasure forjoining us. thank you to emma for joining us. and actually, we got a bit of consensus there that it is, you know, towards that sort of nine 1011 is probably the appropriate age to start to have some of these very difficult conversations . rarely we get conversations. rarely we get guests to agree, but there you are now , 50 mps have written are now, 50 mps have written a letter to the home secretary suggesting that we start to adopt refugees from gaza . well, adopt refugees from gaza. well, i've no doubt there are a lot of people living in gaza in very miserable conditions indeed. but i wonder, i miserable conditions indeed. but iwonder, i really miserable conditions indeed. but i wonder, i really wonder, given that so many people in gaza support hamas, does it really make sense for us to take gaza and refugees when their neighbours in egypt won't take a single one?

now for the moment, we're going to put the debate about palestinian refugees on hold. we're waiting for our down the line lawyer guests . we're going line lawyer guests. we're going to move on to another subject. and this is hmrc, who are really a very, very difficult organisation. you know , if organisation. you know, if you're just a day late paying bills, you get fined . we'll come bills, you get fined. we'll come to that and debate that in a moment. now we had that conversation about what is the appropriate age. i asked you to answer that question. steve says, just leave the kids alone , says, just leave the kids alone, echoing a pink floyd song. we didn't have all that rubbish, and we turned out all right. yeah, steve, you know what, matey? when you were growing up, we didn't have mobile phones with access to all sorts of material. as chloe pointed out, more than once in our discussion just a moment ago, beverly says, all of us used to cringe in sex education. you come into your own and find things out from friends and parents. nothing was news to us at 13. and honestly,

below that age is just sick to below that age is just sick to be discussing it. well, actually, beverly, you know the two guests i had thought the age of ten or 10 or 11 was correct. and finally, rob says it's nothing to do with schools. it's down to the parents to deal with the subject. well, rob, i think the subject. well, rob, i think the truth is it is a bit of both. now, switching gears back , both. now, switching gears back, if i can, to palestinian refugees, a letter to the home secretary , the right honourable secretary, the right honourable james cleverly, and it's signed by 50 members of parliament and it says, you know, that we have to recognise the united kingdom's historical, present and ongoing responsibility towards palestinians in gaza . towards palestinians in gaza. now, look, there are a lot of people in gaza going through an awful time. there are many tens of millions of people all over the world going through a terrible time for all sorts of reasons. we have been incredibly

generous, incredibly generous to those who want refugee status in our country . about half our country. about half a million people since 2016 have been granted refugee status in britain , albeit some of them, britain, albeit some of them, those from ukraine, are supposed to be on a temporary basis. but l, to be on a temporary basis. but i, i really wonder when it comes to gaza and i say that because if already 46% of the established british muslim population are, according to a recent poll , supporters of recent poll, supporters of hamas, what would that percentage be of people that come from gaza? and i worry about integration. i worry about about integration. i worry about a group of people that come into the country with whom not only do we have nothing in common, but who support an organisation who is, from our perspective, a proscribed terrorist group. i'm joined down the line by a friend of the program, ivan samson, an immigration lawyer. ivan it's

very interesting, isn't it, that egypt' very interesting, isn't it, that egypt, the next door neighbours , egypt, the next door neighbours, literally the next door neighbours to gaza, have refused to take any refugees? they, you know, they're quite happy for aid to cross into gaza , but they aid to cross into gaza, but they don't want any refugees from gaza. and yet 50 of our mps think it's a good idea. do you see my point about the preponderance of people from gaza that do support hamas? >> indeed. i mean, there is an argument for that. but there's two sides to the argument, what the open letter says is that the situation in gaza is similar to the situation in ukraine. and it is in some ways, but it's also different in many ways . the different in many ways. the first point to note is that we at the british government weren't closely with the ukrainian government to set the scheme up. we haven't got a government in gaza, in palestine, which we can make this scheme work, and also there was a guarantee by the ukrainian

government that they would , we government that they would, we could return the 174,000 ukrainians granted temporary visas and there's going to be no such guarantee because there's no one there. can we deal with in palestine ? so it could happen in palestine? so it could happen that many of the people who, if they such a scheme existed, could actually claim asylum when they get here. so if they did that, then we'd have to consider those claims. and as you know, there's a massive backlog. it could take several years before those claims are discussed. there's also security risk. i think that's absolutely right, there's no way of identifying those people that sympathise with hamas and those that don't. it'll be almost impossible task to separate those, those two types of people from from palestine. well given that 20 years ago there was an election that took place in gaza and that hamas won it comfortably and that it would appear support for the organisation has grown up to and including an.

>> after the 7th of october, the likelihood is the preponderance of those that support hamas would be very, very high. but i take your point. you know, once someone sets foot on british soil, for whatever reason, even if they cross by a small dinghy and claim asylum, we then feel we have to go through due process, don't we? >> we do. we have an obligation under the refugee convention to consider all asylum applications, and if they have no merit, we refuse them. problem. the home office hasn't got systems in place to consider applications . quickly sift out applications. quickly sift out the genuine ones from from those that are not genuine and remove those that, refuse asylum. and that. and that could mean that, i mean, 174,000 ukrainians have come, and it could mean that we could have probably similar amount, if not more, from palestine under the scheme. of course, they could set a quota. >> yeah. and how would we decide who from let's say the british government gives in and says right , we'll government gives in and says right, we'll take government gives in and says right , we'll take 5000 or

right, we'll take 5000 or whatever they do. how would we process? how would we decide who gets the right to come and who doesn't? >> well, we don't know what the criteria was in ukraine. the government never published that. and so no one would say that, the criteria i would imagine, was that the, territory was being occupied , similar as in, being occupied, similar as in, in gaza by the israelis . being occupied, similar as in, in gaza by the israelis. same situation there. >> not quite the same, but yeah. go on. >> yeah. there are differences because , the occupation by because, the occupation by israel is in retaliation to the events of 7th of october, whereas the occupation by russia is totally unprovoked . so is totally unprovoked. so there's no reason why russia should be in, in, in ukraine. and then there's also the complexities of how do we process it? there are no provisions in gaza , to do that, provisions in gaza, to do that, we'd have to have cooperation with the israeli government to operate the scheme. and i'm wondering whether the israeli government would be open to such

a scheme to allow people to leave. >> i don't think so . no. >> i don't think so. no. >> i don't think so. no. >> hamas members of the hamas could potentially leave gaza and be heading for the uk. >> absolutely . ivan, thank you >> absolutely. ivan, thank you very much for shedding some light on that. thank you very much indeed . and i have to say, much indeed. and i have to say, ihave much indeed. and i have to say, i have been saying for some time it would be a big, big mistake to take refugees from gaza, however much we feel sorry for the innocent people there, because there are many innocent people too, who are suffering so horribly after the break. the hmrc, the people that fine us, the people that bully us, the people that threaten us and yet they just won't pick up the

us. ius. ii us. i think we all accept that we live and work in this country. and especially if we do well, we've got to pay tax. but we expect tax rates to be fair. we

also expect the tax system to be understandable. it is not. our tax code gets more and more complex every year. many of us are so scared of hmrc, the fact they can put daily fines on you, they can put daily fines on you, they can put daily fines on you, they can backdate them, they can bully you, threaten you in all sorts of ways that we hand the whole thing over to our accountants. that effectively adds a few pence onto our overall tax rate. but there are many people who simply can't afford to pay accountants, and they're trying themselves to get to the bottom of tax demands that are being made of how they should put their returns in and the levels , the limits are the levels, the limits are constantly changing, and they try to ring hmrc and we'll come to that in just a moment. what i'm joined by calum mcgoldrick, researcher at the taxpayers alliance calum , i remember when alliance calum, i remember when george osborne was chancellor, so we're going back a bit that the tax code in this country had

hit 15,000 pages and we were told it was the most complex tax, most difficult tax system in the entire world. where is it now? >> it's now 23,000 pages. it's still the longest in the world by some distance. when we look at somewhere like hong kong, which has sort of a similar level of development, they make do with 300 page tax code. most other european countries have somewhere between 10 and 15,000, with by a massive outlier internationally, 23,000 pages very , very complicated. very, very complicated. >> most people are honest and i really mean that. most people are honest . they want to do the are honest. they want to do the right thing. they are. they're being asked to file tax returns, etc, and so they do the obvious thing, which is ring hmrc and ask for advice . now i know that ask for advice. now i know that ringing the gas company or the electricity company, i mean all of it. we're living in digital

britain. you often don't understand what you're being asked . it is a nightmare, but asked. it is a nightmare, but it's even i think hmrc are the worst of a lot now aren't they? >> so yeah, the new figure is it will take 800 years total time waiting on hold to get through to them. >> i come on that can't be true. >> well, for comparison, if that was all one person, it means genghis khan would have just got through to them this year. >> so they just don't answer the phone? >> no.so phone? >> no. so they receive roughly 75% of their calls are for people that have either suffered an error by hmrc or an error themselves. hmrc say you should go onto their website often. people have tried that first and it just doesn't work. the website has a 25% success rate with people on a survey of people agreeing with it, and it means that they end up having to call hmrc. >> and even if you get to the website, you know, unless you're trained in tax law, it's frankly incomprehensible, isn't it? >> well, that's the thing. >> well, that's the thing. >> people want to talk to a person. it's the most complex

tax code in the world. as we mentioned , people need to speak mentioned, people need to speak to someone that understands it in order to be able to pay their taxes on time and the correct amount. >> now, there was some talk, wasn't there, of the chancellor getting tough with hmrc and saying, come on, start answering your phones and hunt did that. i'm thinking about three months ago, something like that. do we have any evidence that hmrc have listened? >> well, the treasury has just promised them another 51 million as well, so i think maybe go after their performance before promising them more money. >> we see that they have proposals to shut in the afternoon, which i hear have been abandoned, but i think that's sort of a very standard base level expectation that you'd do a full working day. >> and what about work from home is that is that particular problem there with hmrc? >> it is massively so with work from home, people that deal with customer service in the civil service have by far the highest expectation to work from home. already the civil service only do about two days in the office, andifs do about two days in the office, and it's often lower for those that work in customer service jobs. >> and if i'm working at hmrc

and i'm let's say i'm in my 40s and i'm let's say i'm in my 40s and i'm let's say i'm in my 40s and i'm pretty competent and i'm middle management, i'm going to earn quite a good salary . i'm earn quite a good salary. i'm going to have a pension package , going to have a pension package, which would not be impossible, frankly , if you were in the frankly, if you were in the private sector. i even hear some of them get bonuses. >> yes they do. i think we've had a report coming out about councils that shows that there are many of them are receiving bonuses into the triple figures , bonuses into the triple figures, it's the public sector thing that just doesn't exist in the private sector to that degree. >> how is it that a conservative government is not apart from saying answer the phone? how is it that a conservative government has frankly virtually not lifted a finger to tackle any of this? >> it's a very good question. >> it's a very good question. >> it's a very good question. >> i think there's a big problem with civil service oversight. the ministers just can't get through to them. they're unionised. they have an awful lot of power and they go on strike. they're never in the office. so the ministers never

actually see them. it's very difficult to actually get through to them. >> jacob rees—mogg did try. yes, he did try, didn't he? but he wasn't in the post very long. has anybody else made that sort of effort? >> well , of effort? >> well, we're seeing now there's a new bill coming out. >> esther mcvey spoke about it which will for diversity roles will give ministers more oversight in how the money is spent and on roles. i think that's something that should be rolled out beyond just diversity roles and into the actual running of the departments as well. >> i have to say, i think , i >> i have to say, i think, i think calum mcgoldrick, it's a very, very depressing picture. thank you. and you know, the worst part of all this folks at home and that is that. so many people who work are now getting up earlier in the morning, getting home later at night, working more days of the week than their parents and grandparents ever had to the working population, particularly those who were self—employed or running small businesses or even working for big corporations, are absolutely working their socks off. they're paying the highest tax burden the country

has seen since 1948. they've been treated by hmrc, in many cases as if they're all potential criminals . there's no potential criminals. there's no one for them to talk to. it might take 800 years to get through on the phone , and yet through on the phone, and yet those that administer this system are earning good money with big pensions, potential bonuses for doing as calum just said, in many cases just two days a week in the office and people do divide sides in the country. well, i tell you what, the divide between those that work in the private sector or work in the private sector or work for themselves and the pubuc work for themselves and the public sector is now simply enormous . the what the farage enormous. the what the farage moment over the last couple of days , i've been making a bit of days, i've been making a bit of noise about the who, the world health organisation, worried as i am about the upcoming pandemic treaty, worried as i am about the complete lack of debate that has been going on in parliament. now there are some little bits of good news that is that around

the world, several governments have started to raise concerns. interestingly, slovakia robert fico, their premier, raised very strong concerns and you may have seen on the news he has been shot several times in the abdomen today and we wish him well . the who. abdomen today and we wish him well. the who. are changing the wording of this treaty . the wording of this treaty. they're changing it in a way that will make you think that they don't have supremacy of law over us. whether that is right or not is arguable. debateable. but what this treaty does do is it gives the who. moral supremacy. it'll be them that decide whether to declare a global pandemic. it will be them that decides what is misinformation. it will be them that tells us what vaccines are acceptable. it will be them that lays down the laws of what we need to do to fly to spain on

houday need to do to fly to spain on holiday or elsewhere . and i get holiday or elsewhere. and i get back to the point that i made right at the start of this. i have no problem in the world health organisation if it's there as a place that we meet, we share information, we act as an early warning system and crucially, we share best practice in how to deal with diseases. whichever way you cut this, the bosses at the who. begin to have the power and the appearance of being rather like eu commissioners , our government eu commissioners, our government yesterday denied there was any potential threat to sovereignty whatsoever. let's see what emerges in geneva in two weeks time. but there is a little bit of good news that the pressure thatis of good news that the pressure that is being put on is beginning to bring some changes. and believe you me, i'm going to go on putting on that pressure . go on putting on that pressure. june 6th, 1944 i hope all viewers of this show know what that date means. if you don't, well, it's d—day that most remarkable event. remember two

british beaches to american beaches, one canadian beach. it is the 80th anniversary coming up. it will be the last occasion on which there will be significant gatherings of people who were involved in that operation, yet alive . hinckley. operation, yet alive. hinckley. it appears many, many young british people simply don't know anything about it . but we now anything about it. but we now mistake the gene. this program is going to talk about d—day to educate those who don't know much about it. we are also going to have and it starts tomorrow with a world war ii veteran coming and sitting in this very chair in the studio. we'll talk about some of those personal stories and we'll talk about why it really is important that the younger generation understands the sacrifice that went before , the sacrifice that went before, or even thinking potentially about sponsoring a couple of veterans to go back to the beaches. d—day. in just a moment

well, for those that don't know , well, for those that don't know, d—day was just the most extraordinary military operation even extraordinary military operation ever. and if you haven't been to normandy and viewed the beaches. and then indeed, what happened inland with gigantic tank battles and breakouts, it really was the most dramatic and vital campaign because it was the beginning of the end of the war in europe. as i mentioned earlier , two american beaches, earlier, two american beaches, one canadian beach and two british beaches. and we shouldn't forget that because actually, the truth of it is when the english speaking peoples of the world get together, they can do some truly remarkable things . you think remarkable things. you think about those people who came from canada, america , you know, in canada, america, you know, in many ways, what happened in europe wasn't directly their concern, you could argue that it wasn't directly our concern. but it's funny, isn't it? both times we went to war to save not just

our democracy, but that of the rest of europe, too. so it was an incredible operation, you know, starting through the small hours with, with, with gliders, with parachutists going in at 3 am. and the film, the 1970 film the longest day, if you haven't seen it is really rather good, but clearly as the generation that took part in the landings and in all the preparations for it clearly that generation are how can i put it thinning out ever so slightly? so it's not that easy around a sunday lunch table to have conversations about these things . and it would about these things. and it would appear that it's beginning to slip from memory now. charlie peters of gb news spoke earlier on to simon bendrey, head of education at the commonwealth war graves commission, and this happened at berkeley in oxford. and, you know , he asked the and, you know, he asked the question, you know, are people really aware of this anniversary and why it matters ?

and why it matters? >> and i think there's always that fear sort of generation pass that once the. yeah those with living memory have gone that there is that loss of interest. but i think what i found working in education for the last ten years is that in any school that you go in, there are young people who are interested in these events, who are inspired by these events, that there are a coming generation who are engaged and interested by this. but that's a key part of the role that i undertake for the commonwealth war graves commission is creating programs that enable us to get out into schools, but also encourage schools to come and visit our sites, such as this one here in botley. >> so education is very important. and i wonder, we talked earlier on at the top of the show about what was appropriate to teach youngsters about sex education, about relationships. well, equally , i relationships. well, equally, i think it's a very valid question. what's it right to teach our youngsters about

british history and particularly relatively contemporary british history? well, after talking to the commonwealth war graves commission, charlie peters went out and about in botley to ask locals whether they knew what d—day even was. >> i think it's really brave what they managed to do all these years ago. it's absolutely amazing. and, i'm definitely think it's worth celebrating. because they did so much for us. and at least we can do is have one day for them. >> d—day at the end of world war two, isn't it, 1944. that's right. and the world war two i don't really know much about here. i used to know a bit, but not anymore, the end of the war. >> that's v—e day. >> that's v—e day. >> i don't know them . >> i don't know them. >> i don't know them. >> it's, the 80th anniversary next month. it was when the allies landed at normandy. okay, do you know what d—day is? no, no, no .

no, no. >> oh, dear, oh, dear, oh, dear. it's clear that some of the younger generation literally haven't got a clue. and it's not necessarily their fault because, as i say, that generation have passed on and they're not being taught this at schools. and it's all wrong in my view. well, someone who takes a great interest in military history, especially aviation history, is my friend leo mckinstry. amongst journalism . and leo, you've journalism. and leo, you've written books about fighters and bombers and all the rest of it. and just to get to d—day , from and just to get to d—day, from your perspective, we think about the troops landing on the beach . the troops landing on the beach. we think about the up to 5000 craft that were engaged in the operation. but of course, the royal air force in the run up to and during the campaign for normandy were also incredibly active, weren't they ? active, weren't they? >> that's very true, nigel. thanks for having me on. and good evening. yes, as you mentioned, i have written a lot of books about the raf during the war, and there are two crucial aspects of the raf's role in 1944. one was to carried

out mainly by the lancasters and halifaxes of bomber command, and they smashed the transport network, the railway network in northern france. so the germans couldn't bring up troops to near to be near the beaches, and that that was called operation pointblank. and it was a great success and it it immobilised a lot of the german forces . and lot of the german forces. and the second one was, coastal command , which doesn't get the command, which doesn't get the credit it deserves. but it was a crucial part of the raf in the battle of the atlantic. and then in 1944, it the task of stopping the u—boats, the deadly german u—boats reaching the english channel and the british and american and allied invasion force is the deadly german u—boats would have caused mayhem if they'd got amongst the vessels of the d—day landings, so the coastal command performed their duties superbly, and not a

single u—boat got near any of the invasion force. in the first d—day. and the eight days after that. it was a tremendous success. and churchill. yeah, that's a that's a point that never gets talked about. >> leo. and i think it's very interesting that you said that and also the spitfires and the hurricanes that were flying over the beaches. they also had a different marking. didn't they put on the underwing just for normandy. so they weren't fired at by their own side. >> they had the black and white stripes so that they all, all aircraft in the allied invasion force had those stripes under their wings so that they would identify they could be identified against, yeah. no up by there. >> and so and it's very distinct now, we're told today that french kids know more than british kids about d—day. well, that doesn't as such surprise me. but when you saw that clip earlier of those youngsters up just on the outskirts of oxford who know nothing about this

whatsoever, i mean, something fundamentally is going wrong, isn't it, in the way we're teaching kids history? >> absolutely . i found that very >> absolutely. i found that very depressing, you know, given , as depressing, you know, given, as you said, the sheer scale of the operation. it was the greatest invasion in history, the greatest amphibious operation in history. and it changed the whole destiny of europe and the world. and it brought an end to the foulest tyranny mankind's ever seen. so it's incredibly important . and it's depressing important. and it's depressing that so many young people don't seem to know about it. and i think that it does reflect that both how badly history is taught in some of our schools and also this lack of patriotism, that patriotism is regarded with such suspicion now it's seen as a dangerous as you know, from your own great career. owi'i great career. >> own great career. >> i do , i do, i own great career. >>ido,|do,|do,| own great career. >> i do , i do, i do, i know i'm >> i do, i do, i do, i know i'm a reactionary force when actually d—day shows the sacrifices for all those americans, canadians and british men on the beaches shows that

it's an ennobling force . it's an ennobling force. >> they were sacrificing their own lives for the noble ideal of freedom and the absolute german tyranny . tyranny. >> leo, thank you ever so much for joining us and giving us forjoining us and giving us a different perspective there on d—day, because we always think about the navy, we think about the army. but the raf perspective, coastal command very important. and if you go to gold beach, you'll still see what's left of the mulberry harbour that we built. and that was where we could drive tanks off ships and directly onto land. and it's still there. the americans built one at utah beach. americans built one at utah beach . we told them the specs beach. we told them the specs weren't right, and there was a gale in july 1944. and now mulberry harbour disappeared in 1944. and ours is still there. but i'm not being anti american about this, but it is simply a fact. tomorrow night we'll have a world war ii veteran here in the studio with us. i am joined in the studio by sirjacob in the studio by sir jacob rees—mogg, jacob, i think i'm going to come and have a chat with you tonight, aren't i? >> it's going to be one of the

hardest interviews. i think i've ever done. most testing, interview subject, the one and only nigel farage. yes. >> well, good stuff , what leo >> well, good stuff, what leo had to say there about coastal command keeping, monitoring and keeping the u—boats away. well, wasn't that interesting? >> wasn't that interesting? >> wasn't that interesting? >> i never thought of that aspect. >> i hadn't thought of that. and i recently read a book called hitler's ungentlemanly war and all the sabotage behind the lines that stopped the german military getting there. it's fascinating. >> fascinating. well, the first with alex deakin . with alex deakin. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers is sponsors of weather on gb news. >> evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. sunny spells for many tomorrow, but there will be some heavy showers across the south yet again. northern scotland may well see the highest temperatures low pressure dominating down to the southwest, and this weather fronts provided a thicker zone of cloud across central areas.

that's rain from that weather front, though, is tending to peter out, as are the heavier showers we saw earlier. just a bit of rain just returning to parts of the east coast as we go through the night. for many, it'll be a dry night, quite murky and misty on the eastern coast, and some fog is possible across parts of the south as temperatures generally drop to about 10 to 12 celsius. any mist and fog in the south should be clearing away, so generally out of the way by the time we get to the morning rush hour. but quite a lot of cloud across east anglia and parts of the southeast where there may well be 1 or 2 showers, some of that rain feeding into lincolnshire as well. generally a fine start for wales. most of northern ireland as well, and a good part of scotland again. dry and fine with sunny spells, the breeze coming in from the north sea, so the east coast will be chilly, but again northern scotland in the sunshine. we'll see those temperatures really jumping up through the course of the day. it's going to stay fairly dull and cool though. in northeast england some outbreaks of rain here and we'll see a bit more rain coming into east anglia, lincolnshire then across the

midlands during the afternoon. the potential for some quite heavy showers breaking out across the midlands, southern england and south wales. some torrential downpours are possible in the brighter spells in the south 20 degrees, but the highest temperatures likely to be across parts of scotland. in the northwest, 2324 is possible cooler on the north sea coast. with that breeze coming in which is still around on friday. again turning things misty at times. again on friday, we'll watch the showers developing across parts of england and wales, especially again. some heavy ones are possible, but they'll be very hit and miss. a good part of the day will be dry and bright and in the sunny spells it'll feel pretty warm once more. bye for how. >> now. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar for sponsors of weather on

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>> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg , on state of the jacob rees—mogg, on state of the nation. tonight, after my suggestion of a tory reform electoral pact which could save our chances at the next election, one nigel farage has suggested i'm a dreamer , but suggested i'm a dreamer, but live tonight i will be conducting negotiations with the man himself. the uk, southern ireland migration row continues as it emerges. the uk took 50 migrants back from ireland only months before saying we wouldn't be taking any. and the government is set to warn schools that they must not teach children that they can change their gender in a long overdue guidance against gender ideology in our schools . plus, a us in our schools. plus, a us government agency has condemned the united kingdom for religious discrimination after the arrest of a lady who silently prayed near an abortion clinic. and that very lady will join me live in the studio state of the nafion in the studio state of the nation starts now.

and i'll be joined by a particularly high powered panel this evening. the former adviser to boris johnson, lord ranger and the historian and broadcaster tessa dunlop. as always , as you know, i want to always, as you know, i want to hear from you. it's a crucial part of the programme . email me part of the programme. email me mailmogg@gbnews.com. but now it's what you've all been waiting for. the news bulletin with tatiana sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> jacob. thank you. the top stories this hour. slovakia's prime minister is in a critical condition and is still undergoing surgery after he was shot following a government meeting in handlova, outside the capital bratislava . officials capital bratislava. officials could be seen bundling robert ipso into a car shortly after the attacker shot five shots in the attacker shot five shots in the assassination attempt. mr feet.so was airlifted to hospital . one man feet.so was airlifted to hospital. one man has been detained by authorities. mr feet.so one power for a fourth time last october and is implemented more pro—russian policies. he's pledged to stop military support for ukraine and

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