commentator chloe political commentator chloe dobbs. she's on the show for the second time. we've got self—made millionaire , successful millionaire, successful businesswoman kate stewart and reggae star levi roos. but first, let's go to the . news. first, let's go to the. news. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . wenzler in the gb newsroom. first, some breaking news. us media is reporting that a man has set himself on fire outside the courthouse in new york, where former us president donald trump's hush money trial is underway. the person on fire received medical attention and was taken from the area. the circumstance of the fire was unclear. we will bring you more as we get it. the uk and western allies are calling for de—escalation in the middle east, after reports that israel launched air strikes against iran, state media says three drones were shot down with

explosions heard at an airbase near the city of isfahan. no damage or injuries have been reported in the latest exchange . reported in the latest exchange. the strike is thought to be in response to the last weekend's attack, when iran fired a barrage of drones and missiles at israel . scotland's former at israel. scotland's former first minister has spoken for the first time since her husband was charged by police. nicola sturgeon was questioned by journalists as she left her home in glasgow . it's incredibly in glasgow. it's incredibly difficult, but, you know, that's not the main issue here so i can't say any more . can't say any more. >> i'm not going to say any more. >> peter murrell , who was the >> peter murrell, who was the snp's chief executive for more than two decades before standing down last year, has been charged in connection with the embezzlement of funds. detectives are investigating how more than £600,000 in donations for independence campaigning was spent. for independence campaigning was spent . the 59 year old, who is spent. the 59 year old, who is no longer in custody, has also resigned his snp membership. in other news, the met police has apologised after an officer used

the firm openly jewish in an anti—semitism campaigner who was near a pro—palestine march. a video clip posted on social media showed the moment gideon falter was threatened with arrest by police. >> you are quite openly jewish. this is a pro—palestinian march. i'm not accusing you of anything, but i'm worried about the reaction to your presence . the reaction to your presence. >> the chief executive of campaign against anti—semitism was wearing a kippah skullcap when he was stopped from crossing a road near the demonstration in london last saturday. the met police assistant commissioner said the officer's poor choice of words was hugely regrettable , and five was hugely regrettable, and five just stop oil protesters have been convicted of aggravated trespass after they disrupted a performance of les miserables in london's west end last year. performance of les miserables in london's west end last year . the london's west end last year. the performance was stopped when activists stormed the stage and locked themselves to the set. an audience of around 1000 people was asked to leave the venue and the performance was cancelled. the court was told the action cost the theatre an estimated

£60,000. and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common shirts now it's back to lee anderson's real . anderson's real. world. >> welcome to lee anderson's real world. and today, joining me is the director of the free speech union, john mcvarish. thank you for coming on the show for the first time. and he's back. he's left corner. back. he's left in the corner. he's our socialist. it's andy mcdonald. a trade unionist mcdonald. he's a trade unionist by profession. look, this week, guys ' by profession. look, this week, guys , we saw the natcon guys, we saw the natcon conference in brussels . the conference in brussels. the sound of heavy jackboots outside, the police storming in and the mayor of brussels cancelling the event . is this a cancelling the event. is this a sign of things to come, jan, if we get a labour government. >> well, it wasn't just one mayor, it was three who were involved and there was two venues cancelled and the venues that cancelled and the

third one held the line and refused be cancelled. despite refused to be cancelled. despite political pressure behind the scenes. really , scenes. so i think it's really, really serious what's gone on there, and it was very disappointing to see, well, wes streeting for in streeting for example, in the house commons, not taking house of commons, not taking this seriously, treating it as a joke as way of having joke and as a way of having a dig at the tories in particular. suella braverman. but i, i think that which could be an indication , yes, that we're in indication, yes, that we're in for a really rough ride when it comes to free speech, because if you don't actually understand the point of it and the principles of it, then you really are not in position to really are not in a position to defend it. >> andy, some profile >> andy, some high profile politicians like nigel politicians there, like nigel farage suella braverman was there. you know, trying to get their point across, talking about, you know, security and in europe and, and making our borders safer and stuff like that. and then yet this mayor, three mayors, as jan rightly says, tries to shut this event down. is it a sign of things to come under a labour government .7 come under a labour government? >> i don't see how it would be a sign of things to come under a labour the labour government. none of the

mayors the mayors are a member of the labour at least the labour party or at least the british party. so that british labour party. so that doesn't really make sense. and british labour party. so that doezknow ally make sense. and british labour party. so that doezknow ally ipoint sense. and british labour party. so that doezknow ally ipoint about and british labour party. so that doezknow ally ipoint about wes you know that point about wes streeting, he was more streeting, i think he was more mocking fact a serving mocking the fact that a serving mp going the big mp was going earning the big bucks brussels than serving a bucks in brussels than serving a constituents. it a jibe anything, i think it was a jibe about suella about miriam cates and suella braverman going serving braverman going and serving their interests rather than, their own interests rather than, you the you know, serving the constituents. and think it is constituents. and i think it is funny suella did go and funny that suella did go and talk border security, talk about border security, considering that considering the fact that she did her as home did fail in her role as home secretary to protect our borders. besides borders. but that's besides the point. when we at point. i think when we look at free you the same free speech, you know, the same people are condemning the people that are condemning the police shut police trying to shut this conference the same people police trying to shut this confiwerea the same people police trying to shut this confiwere calling the same people police trying to shut this confiwere calling fore same people police trying to shut this confiwere calling for the ne people police trying to shut this confiwere calling for the pro3eople that were calling for the pro ceasefire protest to shut ceasefire protest to be shut down there some down because there were some fringe were fringe members who were extremists . i fringe members who were extremists. i think it's fringe members who were extremists . i think it's the extremists. i think it's the very same logic. >> but jan , we see this in, in >> but jan, we see this in, in brussels and i was quite staggered by it, actually. it played into nigel's hands, i think a little bit. and suella. but we already see this in this country. i think with some of our university our our university and our educational where our university and our educwhere. where our university and our educwhere. ban where our university and our educwhere. ban speakers as they where they ban speakers as well, i think, i mean, it's of a different order in brussels

because it was the state ultimately got involved and the police were there to shut down the conference rather than protect the protesters . protect it from the protesters. >> the argument was made by >> so the argument was made by one mayors, to the venues one of the mayors, to the venues that security would be an issue. there wasn't time for a risk assessment. and therefore the police, couldn't be expected to make sure that the conference could go ahead safely without being shut down by protesters . being shut down by protesters. however, over here, while we haven't situation yet haven't seen a situation yet where the police actually raid an event and shut it down, the silencing happens behind the scenes before it ever gets to the venue. so at the free speech union, we and i organise events for the free speech union. we have in the last of four years, we have had so many instances of really very respectable , really very respectable, organisations and individuals who want to organise events , and who want to organise events, and they just cannot even get past they just cannot even get past the first stage because the venue will be warned off or be wary even before anybody calls them. but there are threats

made. and also that establishes a kind of culture where people expect there to be trouble or expect there to be trouble or expect to be having threatening calls to staff, for example. and that makes it very difficult for venues to yes. and it isn't venues to say yes. and it isn't just higher education, it's theatres, it's comedy clubs. it's the way across civic it's right the way across civic and cultural life and, you know, you don't even know about these. well, not you, but we don't even know because you'll never hear what aired in the what doesn't get aired in the first so very , very first place. so it's very, very serious over here. but it's not reached point yet where, reached the point yet where, where we've had the police actually shutting. >> so let's go back to left >> so let's go back to the left in the corner, andy. let's just imagine year we have imagine that next year we have a natcon for natcon conference in, for example, birmingham , and the example, say birmingham, and the mayor of the, the midlands, whoever it is, then decides to, to ban this conference, would you be in support of that? >> i that's a wild hypothetical. you know, there was a natcon conference last year in london under a labour mayor that wasn't banned. so i think if you track the logic of the events

happening in the uk , there happening in the uk, there hasn't been a ban. >> you're sounding like a politician here, andy. >> just the truth, >> no, it's just the truth, isn't a labour mayor not ban. >> do you support the mayor in brussels banning this conference, think it's his conference, i think it's his city. it's down to him to, to decide what he wants in his city. it's not for me to decide. i'm not. i'm not from brussels. no but that's the voice of laboun >> you see, this a labour >> you see, this is a labour supporter. left in a corner. supporter. i left in a corner. i think it is probably a sign of. of things to come if labour do get this year. but you get in power this year. but you know, a fundamental part know, this is a fundamental part of society ability to of our society is the ability to say what you want. you're allowed to offend people, you're allowed to offend people, you're allowed to offend people, you're allowed to have demonstrations, you're allowed to protest. i mean, even the ones that come out here on parliament square on a wednesday night and, you know, some with, some of it's i don't agree with, we've the rivers to we've seen from the rivers to the sea, on big ben on, the sea, shown on big ben on, just few weeks back. but you just a few weeks back. but you know, people that do come know, the people that do come out that to protest out have that right to protest and when states start and when the states start getting it's sort getting involved, jan, it's sort of gets rid it chips away at democracy. >> oh, absolutely. but and also it's so it's the use of the law

as it was attempted in this case in brussels. so that's heavy. you know, if you actually get a legal order which has to be enforced by the local police to shut down an event that's, that's very, very serious. and, you know, if you're from the left, then, you know, people on the left are flagging up this week that an event in berlin was actually raided by the police, which was a pro—palestinian event. and that was shut down on hate speech grounds . so, you hate speech grounds. so, you know, it's really important that everybody's consistent on this . everybody's consistent on this. and over here, obviously those are beyond our necessarily beyond our jurisdiction are concerned. but it's really, really important that we don't just simply make this a left right issue because if you if they come for you, they will come for the other side. it's just inevitable. that's what happens. you've you've legitimated the shutting down of speech, which is, well within the bounds of democracy. it's well within that . and that's, well within that. and that's, you know, if we're going to have a democratic culture, free speech has got to be fundamental

to that. and, you know, whether you're a labour voter or whatever you need to hold to account your politicians and your political on free your political leaders on free speech and democratic grounds. it's not just simply a left right issue and the right also have to that and have to have to do that and have to properly the properly understand the importance of free speech. >> surprisingly >> so, andy, surprisingly enough, pretty much enough, i agree with pretty much everything that everything jan has to say. that is shock. i know but is a shock. i know that, but this is slippery slope. this this is a slippery slope. this is towards communism, surely. >> how is it a path towards communism? >> surely you don't know that. you don't know what communism is. communism is not. the state controls think. is. communism is not. the state conwell, think. is. communism is not. the state conwell, that's think. >> well, no, that's authoritarianism. that's not just so is it a slippery >> okay, so is it a slippery slope? >> okay, so is it a slippery sl0|you can have authoritarians >> you can have authoritarians on the right and the left. >> you can as >> well, you can be as intellectual as want, andy. intellectual as you want, andy. >> is not very >> but this is not very intellectual. it'sjust >> but this is not very intellectual. it's just simply that a slippery right? >> he's isn't he? right? >> we've isn't he? right? >> we've dictators on the >> we've had dictators on the left and the right. >> have. >> we have. >> we have. >> and you get too cosy >> and you can't get too cosy about it. >> no, no, have to be alert. >> no, no, we have to be alert. yeah we have it is a slippery slope, surely. >> don't think it's >> andy, i don't think it's a slippery into communism at all. >> from what i understand, the brussels left

brussels mayor is a centre left mayor. particularly mayor. he's not particularly hard he's a hard left. he's just a democratic like a lot democratic socialist, like a lot of labour party you of the labour party are. you know, conference know, the natcon conference happened london. i said, happened in london. like i said, under a labour mayor. he under a under a labour mayor. he didn't raid didn't ban it. he didn't raid it. think it's a sign it. i don't think it's a sign for the labour party slip and for the labour party to slip and become communist state. i become a communist state. i don't that's true. think don't think that's true. i think that's being you're being that's just being you're being a bit you not bit reactive, are you not concerned andy? bit reactive, are you not conthised andy? bit reactive, are you not conthised sort andy? bit reactive, are you not conthised sort araction >> this this sort of action should labour party slipping should the labour party slipping into a communist state. >> no, no. >> no, no, no. >> shutting down speech. >> shutting down free speech. >> shutting down free speech. >> free speech. >> shutting down free speech. well, i sat across well, you know, i sat across that table you, not a month that table from you, not a month ago, for ago, and you were calling for the palestinian protests the all the palestinian protests to down. so, you to be shut down. so, yeah, you were, remember you know, were, i remember it, you know, were, i remember it, you know, we the clip, but all of we can run the clip, but all of them, we can run the clip. but you calling for them, the you were calling for them, the police, was police, to intervene. i was calling know, you've calling for, you know, you've got to get logic got you've got to get the logic to get it right. >> let's get right. you're >> let's get it right. you're being little bit dishonest in being a little bit dishonest in the debate again. was the debate again. what i was calling people who calling for was the people who were murderous were shining the murderous graphics elizabeth graphics on, on the elizabeth tower arrested. that's tower to be arrested. that's what calling for. nothing what i was calling for. nothing wrong peacefully wrong with people peacefully protesting, wrong with people peacefully protesti|hatred murder inciting hatred and the murder of of people, i think of a race of people, i think they be arrested. do you? they should be arrested. do you? yeah. you go. jam my logic

tracks. >> you know, yours doesn't. it wasn't shown wasn't just the graphics shown on also going on big ben. you were also going on big ben. you were also going on wider of that wasn't, on a wider sense of that wasn't, you know, that's the logic. doesn't to. doesn't need to. >> different debate, >> that's a different debate, andy. when go out there andy. when people go out there dressed terrorists and you've andy. when people go out there dreschildrenarrorists and you've andy. when people go out there dreschildren dressed and you've got children dressed as terrorists, police having their photographs with children photographs taken with children dressed of terrorists, they're shining elizabeth shining graphics onto elizabeth tower taking photos there. there was, there was widely was, there was there was widely distributed media. distributed on social media. you've these, you've got you've got these, you've got these, got these these, you've got these extremist , these, you've got these extremist, shining onto big ben from the river the sea. that from the river to the sea. that means the elimination of a complete people. think complete race of people. i think they arrested . i think they should be arrested. i think they should be arrested. i think they should be carted off and locked up. i could go on about this night. this all night. >> maybe a trial first. >> maybe a trial first. >> a trial that would be >> yeah, a trial that would be fair, wouldn't it? >> would fair. >> well, it would be fair. >> well, it would be fair. >> well, it would be fair. >> well, would be fair, jack. >> well, it would be fair, jack. >> well, it would be fair, jack. >> on. if you're going to >> come on. if you're going to hold then you >> come on. if you're going to hold to. then you need to. >> it would fair, jan, if the >> it would be fair, jan, if the police actually the job in police actually did the job in the place. and actually, agree. >> and you know, had these >> and you know, we've had these instances where instead they've been a, an iranian been arresting a, an iranian dissident a sign dissident who has holds a sign which says the hamas which says states the law hamas is terrorist.

>> em- >> enough of that. >> enough of that. >> going to up now. >> we're going to roll up now. and next on the show, and coming up next on the show, we're back day with we're going back in the day with levi

welcome back to the andersons real world. we're going back in the day now with levi roots. thanks, levi, for coming on here. listen i've sort of seen this script before. you was , this script before. you was, born in jamaica? >> yes. clarendon. and you came here when you was 11 years old? >> yeah, a few years ago. to be honest. >> yeah, quite a few, when you came here, what was your first impressions of this? of this country? >> well, nobody had prepared me. isupposeit >> well, nobody had prepared me. i suppose it was the days of the windrush generation when people were with this sort were coming over with this sort of the efforts. of help after the war efforts. and parents part of the and my parents is part of the windrush generation. nobody and my parents is part of the winiprepared eration. nobody and my parents is part of the winiprepared the ion. nobody and my parents is part of the winiprepared the kids. nobody and my parents is part of the winiprepared the kids. i nobody and my parents is part of the winiprepared the kids. i noiten' had prepared the kids. i was ten at the time, just before i came and, prepared me for the and, nobody prepared me for the cold, instance. you know, cold, for instance. you know, obviously is not in obviously snow is not in jamaica. as a ten old jamaica. and as a ten year old boy running having like, boy running around having like, you three mile radius of you know, three mile radius of a garden and my beautiful grandma

looking after me, and then all of a sudden i landed here. and then, you know, you had to face then, you know, you had to face the that racism and the things that racism and skinheads everything skinheads and everything chasing. your head chasing. i want to rip your head off all kind of stuff. off and all this kind of stuff. it frightening at it was quite frightening at first, i there's a good first, but, i there's a good thing that my family was there for years before, so thing that my family was there f so we had i. >> so we had wilfred emmanuel—jones on the show, good old wilfred. and thing old wilfred. and the one thing that about is these that he spoke about is these people coming from jamaica back in 60s 70s, in the 50s and 60s and 70s, they were actually pioneers. they were actually pioneers. they were they came for were brave people. they came for a fresh start and really quite brave make that move halfway brave to make that move halfway around the world. yeah, absolutely. >> and i suppose, you know, it was start that joining >> and i suppose, you know, it wazof start that joining >> and i suppose, you know, it wazof people that joining >> and i suppose, you know, it wazof people from at joining >> and i suppose, you know, it wazof people from the»ining >> and i suppose, you know, it wazof people from the caribbean of, of people from the caribbean and worlds coming to and from other worlds coming to the because my parents the uk, because my parents was part that . my the uk, because my parents was part that. my mum the uk, because my parents was part that . my mum came, she part of that. my mum came, she worked in the nhs, she was a lab technician at kings college hospital many years. hospital for many, many years. yeah. worked in the in yeah. my father worked in the in the local council. so it was really people were coming over and discovering themselves, but also that joining between black and white people. and then of course, food and music became that, well, this is what we get

on to now because i've had three jamaicans on this show over the past year, everyone's been past year, and everyone's been brilliant past year, and everyone's been brilwhy is that ? >> why is that? >> why is that? >> well, i suppose especially for young kids, you know, i think everybody knows that me and my cooking experiences came from my grandma. yeah, it was one way grandmothers one way that the grandmothers who after the kids who was looking after the kids while mum and dads came while the mum and dads came to the trying to keep that the uk, was trying to keep that family together and the food was an structure and it an important structure and it was for when the, when, you know, windrush generation came over they food music, over, they used food and music, of remember the times of of course. remember the times of ska music and everything was coming from the caribbean, coming from the caribbean, coming over here. so music and food important tool for food was an important tool for that. action between that. integrate action between black here. so black and white people here. so music and food speak. >> you speak in my language, levi . so you know a little bit levi. so you know a little bit about music and reggae. i do you used to play football with the late, great bob marley. >> absolutely. and i love talking that obviously. talking about that obviously. yeah, great. you yeah, it was great. you know, bob at the time was in exile bob was at the time was in exile here. had just been in here. he had just been shot in jamaica. so came over here jamaica. so he came over here and some of his iconic

and to record some of his iconic songs that and he lived songs that he did, and he lived over in, in chelsea and me and my band and the circle and sound system. we lived in wandsworth, so was a meeting of bob so it was a meeting of bob marley wailers and levi marley and the wailers and levi roots and coxsone sound in battersea weekend to battersea park every weekend to have a lovely kick around, and it was some of the most inspirational, you know, times of man was an of my life. the man was an absolutely fantastic footballer, absolutely fantastic footballer, a a of maradona a bit of a sort of maradona esque of a player short, esque type of a player short, being able to hold on to the ball and dare i say, if he wasn't a musician, i think he would have been a great footballer so was footballer. wow, so he was raised as christian? yes and raised as a christian? yes and now converted to now you've converted to rastafari? you know, for the rastafari? yes you know, for the more ignorant amongst us. what is that? >> well, rastafari was a way. i think it was started by marcus garvey and marcus garvey is jamaica's premier national hero. and he was the one that was saying to, you know, we had all these pictures of the white jesus with the blue eyed on the on people's wall. and on black people's wall. and marcus the guy marcus garvey was one of the guy that around and said, look, that came around and said, look, look for someone look to africa for someone that you find inspiration for.

you can find an inspiration for. and the time when emperor and it was the time when emperor haile selassie being crowned haile selassie was being crowned king, was saying that if king, and he was saying that if you somebody inspired you want somebody to be inspired by, look this great, you by, look for this great, you know, king was about know, black king was just about to an emperor. with to become an emperor. and with him find some him you can find some inspiration . and i suppose a lot inspiration. and i suppose a lot of people was in jamaica and of people who was in jamaica and decent franchise at the time that couldn't work with the, you know, blue jesus. they know, white, blue jesus. they thought well, choose thought that, well, we'll choose him somebody to inspire us. him as somebody to inspire us. and that's how whole and that's how the whole rastafari started . and rastafari culture started. and of when i was in school, of course, when i was in school, i when found out that i remember when i found out that my keith valentine my real name is keith valentine graham. naive either. not graham. not naive either. not levi. and i used to look up keith graham, and i just found out that it was a scottish name and looking in the mirror and kept looking in the mirror and kept looking in the mirror and i don't look and thinking, i don't look bloody scottish, something happening. >> that because >> you get that though, because i years i had a friend many years ago. i've seen for donkey's i've not seen him for donkey's years, he was from years, he was, he was from jamaica his name was jamaica and his name was winston. and of, winston. yes. and a lot of, families in jamaica at the time would call the kids winston. >> had these >> absolutely. and we had these names that we didn't identify with. when the with. and i suppose when the rastafari came along, it rastafari culture came along, it just maybe just taught you that maybe you're not scottish after all.

find you and it was find who you are. and it was through rastafari culture through the rastafari culture that found that maybe not that i found that maybe i'm not scottish after all. so i found levi and called myself levi roots . and of course, levi is a roots. and of course, levi is a biblical name from the jewish religion. >> you don't fancy presenting as a a kilt on? a scotsman with a kilt on? >> well, actually i did went to scotland to find the grimes, which was name. were which was my name. they were a bloodthirsty those grimes . bloodthirsty lot. those grimes. >> i'm talking about food, and this, this cultural thing you got going off in jamaica where you can make the most amazing meals nothing. you can make the most amazing meals yeah, nothing. you can make the most amazing meals yeah, absolutely. and nothing. yeah, absolutely. and surely there's lessons to be learned in this country when we. i you're involved i know you're involved in certain trust or certain charities. trust or trust, with food poverty, trust, etc, with food poverty, but surely there are lessons people can learn this country people can learn in this country from countries like jamaica from countries like like jamaica and make their money go and how to make their money go further with basic ingredients. >> it's >> yeah, absolutely. and it's what my grandma was good at. and isuppose what my grandma was good at. and i suppose when i discovered, you know, the at the know, this, the sauce at the end, you at my, in my end, you know, at my, in my lifetime, when you're talking about are about sauce, levi, are we talking that, about sauce talking about that, about sauce like this.

>> we are. which is your sauce. >> we are. which is your sauce. >> absolutely. and i think my grandma way creating grandma had a way of creating something nothing . and something out of nothing. and sauces was a great thing that you just basic things you could just do basic things like potatoes, had like potatoes, but you had a little of sauce on it, and little bit of sauce on it, and then it becomes like sunday then it becomes like a sunday meal everything. meal with everything. >> got though, >> i've just got to say though, levi at the camera levi looking at the camera there, other. there, there are other. according producer greg, according to my producer greg, there sources there are other sources available in available online and in supermarkets. that's just to give them a fair plug. i will be trying later. but you're trying that later. but you're right, some of these right, i know some of these poorer countries make most poorer countries make the most bafic poorer countries make the most basic don't they? >> yeah, yeah, absolutely. it is about it's about about flavours. it's about creating and i suppose about flavours. it's about creati you and i suppose about flavours. it's about creati you didn't and i suppose about flavours. it's about creati you didn't have i suppose about flavours. it's about creati you didn't have moneyose about flavours. it's about creati you didn't have money in; when you didn't have money in those you need those days, you just need something more than something a little bit more than the food, we the bland food, because we had all potatoes the bananas all the potatoes and the bananas and everything. once you had all the potatoes and the bananas a|bit3verything. once you had all the potatoes and the bananas a|bit of rything. once you had all the potatoes and the bananas a|bit of sauce]. once you had all the potatoes and the bananas a|bit of sauce on once you had all the potatoes and the bananas a|bit of sauce on there,e you had all the potatoes and the bananas a|bit of sauce on there, ityou had all the potatoes and the bananas a|bit of sauce on there, it was 1ad a bit of sauce on there, it was just like having a sunday meal with the flavours with all the flavours included in you've brought with all the flavours included in music you've brought with all the flavours included in music from u've brought with all the flavours included in music from jamaica|ght with all the flavours included in music from jamaica .iht with all the flavours included in music from jamaica . that's over, music from jamaica. that's great. some great music. and you brought over the, the food, some great food. you talked about the racism when you came over. that must have been difficult. as a young man. i can't actually

understand how that would be for you. you cope that ? you. how did you cope with that? >> well, you know, i feel it more for parents had come more for my parents who had come before, who came to that, you know, when was no know, that time when it was no dogs , no blacks, irish, and dogs, no blacks, no irish, and again, no one had prepared them for everybody had for that because everybody had seen from the queen seen this letter from the queen saying, come to england because these fix the these jobs help us to fix the country after the war. but for them coming over, it was really a hard time for them. and i suppose we came as suppose when we came over as kids for to face, you know, kids for us to face, you know, you left in one stage and you turn left in one stage and everybody you. these everybody loves you. all these white want to know about white kids want to know about ska the food and ska music and the food and everything, you right everything, but you turn right and going to rip and the skin is going to rip your head off. and i suppose it was kind you know, was that kind of you know, environment into, you environment i came into, and you had , basically had to learn to fight, basically to i suppose that to survive. and i suppose that kept down for a long time, kept me down for a long time, that fighting attitude. and it wasn't until later on in my life that i found out i didn't need to fight, because i had my grandma's turn your grandma's recipes to turn your food music on you. food in your music on you. absolutely. that's absolutely. and that's how i actually let's try this. >> let's do it now. now, if you poison me, i am insured. i've

been told by gb news. yes. >> yeah. want try a bit >> yeah. you want to try a bit and. go and tell me what? and. yeah. go and tell me what? it's barbecue sauce. >> go with what? >> so this would go with what? chicken >> almost almost >> almost anything. almost anything all. anything at all. >> it's got a kick to it. >> it's got a kick to it. >> it's got a kick to it. >> it has like a turning red slightly. >> it's a cheeky little number. oh but i do recommend that on. probably on some chicken. hold on a minute. yeah oh, that's very good. that's that's excellent. look. that's splendid. thank you. coming up next is, right versus left with chloe dobbs and trade unionist and mcdonald. oh dear me . it is and mcdonald. oh dear me. it is nice though . give me some nice though. give me some yoghurt

joining me now for right versus left is trade unionist and socialist and other things. andy mcdonald and back on the show for the second time, political commentator chloe dobbs thanks, guys. look, we've seen a judgement week in the judgement this week in the courts they upheld a courts where they upheld a decision katharine decision by by katharine birbalsingh. it's called birbalsingh. i think it's called the michaela community school. i think it's called where they, had to fight a quite ferocious court case to uphold this decision to keep a ban in place on prayer. i think it was a young muslim lady that took the score to court , £150,000 in score to court, £150,000 in taxpayers money. was the court right, andy? >> i don't think so . right, andy? >> i don't think so. i think it's a bizarre principle to chase after, you know, a, you know, a classroom at lunchtime is not that much to ask for. you know, a child to go and pray. it just makes them happy. i don't see why, you know, catherine has decided to die this hill. she decided to die on this hill. she talks a secular talks about it being a secular school, save the school, then pushes god save the king your throat. you know king down your throat. you know that's very

that's not that's not very secular of her. i think the logic completely bizarre secular of her. i think the logic her.ompletely bizarre secular of her. i think the logic her. she .etely bizarre secular of her. i think the logic her. she preaches bizarre secular of her. i think the logic her. she preaches bizaryou from her. she preaches that, you know, values, know, we have christian values, christian christian christian values to a christian country. but no, we're a secular school, we have school, so we can't have any praying. it doesn't praying. okay? it just doesn't track for me. >> would you like come >> chloe, would you like to come back on this out—of—touch socialist? >> yes, definitely would. >> yes, i definitely would. so i think important think it's really important to understand this understand the context of this case, think catherine case, and i think catherine herself advocating that herself is not advocating that you a prayer ban in every you have a prayer ban in every single case, you single school. in this case, you had situation which was really had a situation which was really spiralling quite spiralling out of control quite quickly. the quickly. so first of all, the school not practical for school is just not practical for them have prayer they them to have a prayer room. they don't rooms. mean, them to have a prayer room. they chndy, rooms. mean, them to have a prayer room. they chndy, if rooms. mean, them to have a prayer room. they chndy, if you rooms. mean, them to have a prayer room. they chndy, if you wantooms. mean, them to have a prayer room. they chndy, if you want tons. mean, them to have a prayer room. they chndy, if you want to pay mean, them to have a prayer room. they chndy, if you want to pay foraan, if andy, if you want to pay for them to have a load prayer them to have a load of prayer rooms on, you know, go for rooms added on, you know, go for it. is school which is it. this is a school which is now 50% muslim pupils. so now around 50% muslim pupils. so they probably they would probably need multiple which is multiple prayer rooms, which is one that the head teacher one thing that the head teacher said. happened is you said. so what happened is you didn't at didn't have any kids praying at the and then the school before, and then suddenly decided to suddenly one student decided to start the playground start praying in the playground and then it sort of became a trend. and they all started following and then you had meant, because the playground members see members of the public can see you of the public you had members of the public getting signing this getting involved, signing this petition, threats toward

petition, sending threats toward teachers. and this all started spiralling control. teachers. and this all started spirtbomb control. teachers. and this all started spirtbomb threats. introl. teachers. and this all started spirtbomb threats. you l. teachers. and this all started spirtbomb threats. you had, homes had bomb threats. you had, homes of the teachers being the people coming there to attack them. something had to be done. you also had, you know, this is a school with lots of different faiths, and they've had they're very clear with the parents. you need to make compromises so we can all get along. but you then had, for example, you have some muslim to fast muslim kids who want to fast dunng muslim kids who want to fast during ramadan and others which don't. had kids don't. and you had the kids which fasting, the which are fasting, bullying the other trying stop them other kids, trying to stop them eating food, trying to, eating their food, trying to, impose on on others. impose their rules on on others. and so something clearly needed to be done, to cap this . and to be done, to, to cap this. and so i think the prayer ban on practicality here made sense. now, it's not just muslims in the school that have to make compromises. first of all, the head teacher meets every single parent before they come in and is very, very clear. this is what you're signing up for. there's prayer here. there's no prayer room here. you have compromises. have to make compromises. she has from has had complaints from christians about there being revision sessions on sundays, but said, have to make but she said, you have to make a compromise. she's had complaints

from there being from hindus about there being eggsin from hindus about there being eggs in the kitchen that potentially the plates. potentially touch the plates. but if you to but she said, no, if you want to come you have come to this school, you have to compromise all get compromise so we can all get along. so not like this is along. so it's not like this is an anti—muslim. and been an anti—muslim. and she's been very , clear andy. very, very clear about andy. >> i chloe's making a >> i mean, chloe's making a reasonable argument here. these parents the rules they parents know the rules when they send to the school, send their kids to the school, should they stick to the rules? >> know, clearly you >> i mean, you know, clearly you know, britain's strictest know, the britain's strictest head knows what she head teacher knows what she likes call herself. if likes to call herself. but if kids bullying other kids are bullying each other at their not very their school, it's not very strict. is it? you know, strict. or is it? you know, she's that she's doing she's not that she's doing something she's something about it and she's saying, well, it's not like saying, oh, well, it's not like it's going to crop up at a it's ever going to crop up at a school where got school where you've got misbehaviour, they're strict. >> it's you respond strict. » n-s >> it's how you respond to that. >> it's how you respond to that. >> very kids court >> she's very take kids to court and should the children, but and you should the children, but she's dictating to the headmistress the management she's dictating to the he schoolress the management she's dictating to the he school how the management she's dictating to the he school how they he management she's dictating to the he school how they run nanagement she's dictating to the he school how they run their|ement of school how they run their score. of school how they run their sco well, think it's just >> well, i think it's just bizarre , really. like, you know, bizarre, really. like, you know, if a kid wants to pray, let them pray like it's not that deep. but this was absolute chaos. >> classroom of the public. >> a classroom of the public. >> a classroom of the public. >> a classroom >> give them a classroom at lunchtime. you need lunchtime. then you don't need a dedicated prayer just

dedicated prayer space. just give them classroom. it'sjust give them a classroom. it's just a from she a bit of respect from her. she preaches, know, british preaches, you know, british values. of those values. respect is one of those values. respect is one of those values. just don't understand values. i just don't understand why she won't it. why she she won't just do it. you know, michaela community school range of other school has a range of other problems i think she needs problems that i think she needs to think this to deal with first. i think this is bizarre hill to is a very bizarre hill to die on. just them a classroom. on. just give them a classroom. it's not that hard. >> i don't know exactly >> i mean, i don't know exactly the school, but the dynamic at the school, but she's they she's been very clear. they don't for a prayer don't have space for a prayer room. now, this is a very high performing school, very strict school. they school. i would imagine they have revision revision have a lot of revision revision sessions lunchtimes. sessions going on at lunchtimes. well, all together well, no, they all sit together at lunchtime. all sit at lunchtime. they all sit together lunchtime. at lunchtime. they all sit tog allzr lunchtime. at lunchtime. they all sit tog allzr years |time. at lunchtime. they all sit tog allzr years sit|e. at lunchtime. they all sit tog allzr years sit together. >> all the years sit together. so don't. so no, they don't. >> where? so no, they don't. >> in1ere? so no, they don't. >> in the? so no, they don't. >> in the lunch hall? >> in the lunch hall? >> yeah, in the lunch hall. they don't have any lunchtime revision of revision sessions. that's one of their increase their policies to increase cohesion year groups. >> i mean, so i mean maybe >> so i mean, so i mean maybe that's possible. i do see that's possible. but i do see this a slippery slope to this being a slippery slope to spiralling control. so spiralling out of control. so for got for example, if you've then got kids pray at kids saying i need to pray at this time. i'm going to walk this time. so i'm going to walk out classroom whilst the out the classroom whilst the teacher trying deliver a teacher is trying to deliver a lesson, go and pray. and then lesson, to go and pray. and then that feels need to that teacher feels the need to say up those kids say either catch up those kids and overtime because kids

and work overtime because kids have out classroom or have walked out the classroom or have walked out the classroom or have failing, have walked out the classroom or have you failing, have walked out the classroom or have you they ling, have walked out the classroom or have you they they're which, you know, they they're trying amazing, important thing here. >> and finally, when i was at school, back in the day before you of you were born, school was one of the, know, one of the times the, you know, one of the times where felt equal with, with where you felt equal with, with your peers, you went to school, your peers, you went to school, you you you did the same lessons you played time. played at the same time. >> did any praying, it >> if you did any praying, it was normally in the morning in assembly sang a few assembly time. you sang a few hymns like that. we're hymns and stuff like that. we're all i mean, all together. this, i mean, we've faiths in we've got different faiths in school now, i would imagine school now, and i would imagine that, know, these that, you know, when these children home, life children go home, life is a little bit different being at little bit different to being at school. should school. but school should be a place come together place where you come together and and learn and actually just go and learn how and write and how to read and write and develop yourself rather than getting these getting brought in these, these bitter i that's why i >> sure, i agree, i that's why i don't why you know, don't know why she's, you know, putting so much resistance and just classroom. it's just offering a classroom. it's not slope, but it's divisive. >> it's divisive. people praying divisive. >> school is not a place of worship. >> right? then why does she have them god save the them sing god save the king every morning? that's objectively save objectively worshipful. god save the king. you're asking god to do something. >> would disagree with >> i would i would disagree with that. say that is that. i would say that is slightly hypocritical. i don't

think that necessary. i think that that is necessary. i think that that is necessary. i think if you go to a school which school, which is a christian school, like was like my sixth form was methodist, had chapel for methodist, and we had chapel for 20 minutes a thursday. i'm 20 minutes on a thursday. i'm not religious, i like, not religious, but i was like, okay, up go not religious, but i was like, okthis up go not religious, but i was like, okthis school, up go not religious, but i was like, okthis school, fine. up go not religious, but i was like, okthis school, fine. but|p go not religious, but i was like, okthis school, fine. but in go to this school, fine. but in that case, know, fine art. i that case, you know, fine art. i will with that. but will disagree with that. but nevertheless, think prayer nevertheless, i think the prayer ban sense. i do ban makes sense. also, i do think this is potentially think that this is potentially the a salty student the case of a salty student because apparently, girl because apparently, the girl who has brought case girl has brought this case is a girl who expelled, do who was expelled, well, they do throw lot of throw out quite a lot of children that don't perform to their academic standards. children that don't perform to the well,jemic standards. children that don't perform to the well, exactly.andards. children that don't perform to the well, exactly. do ards. children that don't perform to the well, exactly. do wonder how >> well, exactly. do wonder how they they get their they get how they get their academic high. you academic grades so high. you know they do. >> angry and salty >> you would be angry and salty and wanting revenge. >> been some >> well, there have been some very have been some very very there have been some very serious allegations of them having a mass rolling having a mass offer rolling effort at michaela community school their school to maintain that their high so wouldn't high standards. so it wouldn't surprise me if there's a lot of students pretty students who feel pretty hard done by fact that a lot done by, by the fact that a lot of have alleged that they of them have alleged that they were illegally road. you were illegally off road. so, you know, illegally, know, if i was illegally, illegally road, it's when illegally off road, it's when schools child schools remove a child from their for academic or send their roll for academic or send purposes. have purposes. you know, there have been pretty, pretty firm been some pretty, pretty firm allegations about michaela community school, i think katharine of

katharine birbalsingh instead of going media dancing, katharine birbalsingh instead of goirshould media dancing, katharine birbalsingh instead of goirshould go media dancing, katharine birbalsingh instead of goirshould go and1edia dancing, katharine birbalsingh instead of goirshould go and deal dancing, katharine birbalsingh instead of goirshould go and deal dan(that she should go and deal with that issue before. >> okay? okay, guys, look, £150,000 fight this court £150,000 to fight this court case. taxpayers money. case. that's taxpayers money. chloe or should this family now who's took this case to be made to pay that money back to the state? >> i think that's a difficult one, because on the hand, one, because on the one hand, i don't agree with this, this pupil bringing the case. but also you don't want to live in a world where if you do need legal help and you do feel like you have, you have a legal case that needs to be brought, that if you're not rich and you can't afford crazy legal fees, that there's that be afford crazy legal fees, that there"so that be afford crazy legal fees, that there"so i that be afford crazy legal fees, that there"so i think hat be afford crazy legal fees, that there"so i think that's be afford crazy legal fees, that there"so i think that's i be afford crazy legal fees, that there"so i think that's i think done. so i think that's i think that's difficult. it is a lot of money. and i think that is money. and i think that that is a of money to some degree. a waste of money to some degree. but think that we shouldn't but i do think that we shouldn't i think we should abolish i don't think we should abolish legal i don't think we should abolish leg yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i think that money, though, andy, been better andy, would have been better spent that spent on the pupils at that school, them their school, helping them with their education, think? school, helping them with their edli'm on, think? school, helping them with their edli'm sure think? school, helping them with their edli'm sure you think? school, helping them with their edli'm sure you know1ink? school, helping them with their edli'm sure you know 150? school, helping them with their edli'm sure you know 150 grand. >> i'm sure you know 150 grand. that's almost years of that's almost two years of your mp , isn't it? so, you mp salary, isn't it? so, you know, we could got you for know, we could have got you for another but, another two years for that. but, i almost two i mean, it's also almost two years tax.

years income tax. >> i a&e, which i'm sure it >> i pay a&e, which i'm sure it is. gotcha. with what is >> gotcha. i'm sure with what is it? it the 50 or hundred it? is it the 50 or hundred grand from gb news, plus grand you get from gb news, plus your mp salary and, you know, it gets a bit. it gets a bit, it gets a bit. it does bit fuzzy with all does get a bit fuzzy with all your all salaries. the your all your salaries. but, the point being, you know, we shouldn't legal aid. if point being, you know, we shorloset legal aid. if point being, you know, we shorlose a legal aid. if point being, you know, we shorlose a case, legal aid. if point being, you know, we shorlose a case, we gal aid. if point being, you know, we shorlose a case, we shouldn't you lose a case, we shouldn't set precedent have to set a precedent that you have to give the money back. i think, you is slippery you know, that is a slippery slope where people who are genuinely. >> me this question to >> let me put this question to you, not only if you've you, right. not only if you've got and got children. right. and i suppose day have suppose one day you'll have children. and children. unfortunately and you're somebody you're going to find somebody who down and who you settle down with and you're have children who you settle down with and you'you've have children who you settle down with and you'you've two e children who you settle down with and you'you've two scoresren who you settle down with and you'you've two scores there. and you've got two scores there. one's strict run by one's a strict score run by katharine birbalsingh, where you have to up on time, you have to turn up on time, you have to turn up on time, you have wear uniforms, you have have to turn up on time, you ha call wear uniforms, you have have to turn up on time, you ha call teachers, forms, you have have to turn up on time, you ha call teachers, formsand u have have to turn up on time, you ha call teachers, formsand sir, ve to call teachers, miss and sir, there discipline and there is strict discipline and you do your and you have to do your homework and blah you've got blah blah blah. then you've got another like one in, in another score, like one in, in my well, it back my community. well, it was back in the where you can call in the day where you can call the teachers by their first names. there's detention, names. there's no detention, there's names. there's no detention, theuniform. names. there's no detention, the uniform. turn when names. there's no detention, theuniform. turn when you no uniform. you turn up when you want, and have want, you can go and have a crafty fag behind the bike shed when you want. when you want. which send which school would you send your children which school would you send your chi|i ren which school would you send your

chiii think it which school would you send your chi|i think it depends on how my >> i think it depends on how my child is at the point when they're to go to school. they're about to go to school. so upbringing, hate so my upbringing, i hate authority. i my parents were completely hands off. my parents were completely off. so were completely hands off. so when a teacher me what to when a teacher tells me what to do says, you do this, do and says, you can't do this, you that, i'm like, you can't do that, i'm like, bugger off, because i'm just so not to and my for me, not used to that. and my for me, my leaving it up to me my parents leaving it up to me to decide the rule for myself made made much more made me, made me much more mature, i think. but then there are kids i can see are other kids where i can see they really need some discipline. if my kid clearly discipline. so if my kid clearly seems like, you know, they're going to go on and they're going to do their homework without going to go on and they're going to do being homework without going to go on and they're going to do being homeand < withouthe even being told and without the threat detention, then they threat of detention, then they can to the more libertarian can go to the more libertarian school, might say. school, as we might say. >> whereas if my kid's not performing in the school for your children either, i want them trade, learn them to learn a trade, learn a proper skill. >> we need a genuine >> i think we need a genuine alternative for people who are non—academic. honestly, i'd prefer them to do that. >> okay, guys, straight to >> okay, guys, going straight to the quiz. you know the the yes no quiz. you know the rules to this and you don't. yeah, yes does. do know yeah, yes he does. do you know the to this? i do. you've the rules to this? i do. you've done aren't you? see

done this aren't you? yeah. see that's incorrect answer that's an incorrect answer straight yes or no. straight away. oh yes or no. right. andy to you was the right. okay. andy to you was the mayor right ban mayor of brussels right to ban the conference? no. the natcon conference? yes no. chloe, is net zero a waste of money? yes, yes . chloe, is net zero a waste of money? yes, yes. no. chloe, is net zero a waste of money? yes, yes . no. andy, money? yes, yes. no. andy, should the government be allowed to ban smoking? no, no . wow. to ban smoking? no, no. wow. agreement, chloe should the ulez expansion scheme in london be scrapped ? yes. andy. yes. wow. scrapped? yes. andy. yes. wow. and will trump when the next us election and the. yes. yes should we do a tie breaker? yes yes. i can't even get you on that one. can i? look, you want to go back on one? >> andy i think the trump one is really quite interesting . yeah. really quite interesting. yeah. you know i'm obviously not a supporter of trump but i'm also not a supporter of biden. not really a supporter of biden. i he's of a is he. i think he's a bit of a is he. well well that's the big question isn't it. no one really knows. a bit doddery and knows. he's a bit doddery and he's a bit odd. i think they just scrap him, get just need to scrap him, get gavin the, of gavin newsom in the, governor of california, the democratic

governor california, the democratic gove made really good job california, the democratic govemade really good job of he's made a really good job of california. know, you california. you know, he's, you know, economy. know, thriving economy. you know, thriving economy. you know, silicon valley know, you look at silicon valley that around that is zombies walking around silicon valley is the top economy world threatening economy in the world threatening to know, silicon to take away, you know, silicon valley the valley is objectively the greatest away greatest economy to take away custody parents, custody over custody of parents, custody over their don't their children if they don't affirm gender. their children if they don't affiyes. gender. their children if they don't affiyes. no. gender. >> yes. no. >> yes. no. >> you know, you look at >> you know, if you look at california, you've got silicon >> you know, if you look at califorryou've 've got silicon >> you know, if you look at califorryou've got got silicon >> you know, if you look at califorryou've got san'>ilicon valley, you've got san francisco. bay area is the francisco. the bay area is the most you know, it's one of the top in the world. top economies in the world. yeah. honest, yeah. like, let's be honest, here biden. here was better than biden. yeah. here was better than biden. yeaokay. think the smell >> okay. and you think the smell of is bad my neck of the of weed is bad in my neck of the woods? yourself there, woods? get yourself there, chloe. you want back chloe. do you want to come back on one? chloe. do you want to come back on he? chloe. do you want to come back on i mean, i'll respond to that. >> i mean, i'll respond to that. >> i mean, i'll respond to that. >> firstly, i mean, the streets of francisco. of san francisco. >> you've these people of san francisco. >> you'iaround hese people of san francisco. >> you'iaround hese well, e of san francisco. >> you'iaround hese well, not walking around like, well, not even just zombies. yeah, walking around like, well, not eveover;t zombies. yeah, walking around like, well, not eveover;t streets.ies. yeah, walking around like, well, not eveover;t streets. crime ah, walking around like, well, not eveover;t streets. crime is all over the streets. crime is just spiralling just absolutely spiralling out of of the shops are of control. all of the shops are having to close and leave the high street because the theft are so bad. yeah, you can steal up to. i think it's $950 worth of stuff. and the cops won't even turn up. so people just going in stealing stuff. is this a good thing? absolutely fair. >> want to live in gavin

>> i don't want to live in gavin newsom . newsom. >> absolutely feral. >> it is absolutely feral. >> it is absolutely feral. >> not promoting feral >> i'm not promoting feral behaviour. gavin behaviour. i just think gavin newsom that's pretty newsom is. well, that's a pretty good economic good leader from an economic perspective. he's been a thriving. no he hasn't. >> is happening andy under >> this is happening andy under his right. >> this is happening andy under his know right. >> this is happening andy under his know we right. >> this is happening andy under his know we did right. >> this is happening andy under his know we did a right. >> this is happening andy under his know we did a drugs|ht. >> this is happening andy under his know we did a drugs inquiry you know we did a drugs inquiry at over there on the at that place over there on the emma select committee. and at that place over there on the ethink select committee. and at that place over there on the ethink we select committee. and at that place over there on the ethink we spoke act committee. and at that place over there on the ethink we spoke briefly mittee. and at that place over there on the ethink we spoke briefly about�*. and i think we spoke briefly about california, the problem we've got and it's turned got with weed. and it's turned some of the state into, some parts of the state into, into zombie states. you're right, people walking right, chloe, people are walking around trance. around like in a trance. >> i don't want that to >> i mean, i don't want that to come here. absolutely horrifying. >> here it is here. you know, you mansfield, you look you look at mansfield, you look at conservative at ashfield, conservative conservative run mansfield, reform ashfield. there reform uk led ashfield. there are crackheads over, are crackheads all over, i think. what are you doing think. and what are you doing about think. and what are you doing aboit think. and what are you doing aboi think been smoking think. and what are you doing aboi tstuff been smoking think. and what are you doing aboi tstuff before been smoking think. and what are you doing aboi tstuff before your smoking think. and what are you doing aboi tstuff before you comezing some stuff before you come on this you doing about that. >> you know there's crackheads running mansfield running all over mansfield town. what about what are you doing about it? >> crackheads. there's always been crackheads. i mean, the crackheads want crackheads started, if you want to call them that name, they started in the right. started back in the 80s. right. who ashfield who was in control in ashfield and the 1980s. and mansfield in the 1980s. >> fantastic. was. was >> so fantastic. it was. it was was your party, wasn't it, at that was your party, wasn't it, at tha not difficult. >> not difficult. >> not difficult. >> was labour the >> it was the labour party, the labour you labour party, whom you

supported, labour party, whom you squou ed, labour party, whom you squou were in charge. >> you were in charge. >> you were in charge. >> seen the light. >> i've seen the light. >> i've seen the light. >> you support in the 80s. >> you support them in the 80s. >> you support them in the 80s. >> day when you grow up >> one day when you grow up a little bit, you will probably see light. i doubt see the light. i doubt it. chloe's above years. she's chloe's above her years. she's seen the already. okay, seen the light already. okay, coming got coming up next, we've got self—made millionaire

welcome back to lee anderson's real world. it's time for last orders with kate stewart. welcome to the show, kate. you've had a, a different start in life to most successful business women. self—made millionaire by the age of about 24, 25, 26, 26. sorry about that. getting the figures wrong. but you took a different approach. it's not, you were sort of concentrated on earning money while still at school, working on mathew street and getting a few quid in your pocket, flipping burgers. i think when working for £2.50 an hour when you left school, what sort motive did you as that, sort of motive did you as that, as that young person in

liverpool to , you know, to earn liverpool to, you know, to earn all this money coming from a depnved all this money coming from a deprived background , coming from deprived background, coming from a estate, not money a council estate, not much money being and my family not being around and my family not being around and my family not being able to afford not being able to afford to give me the stuff that i wanted. >> i always had a great work >> and i always had a great work ethic. i wanted to get ethic. i always wanted to get out earn money and work. out there, earn money and work. so i a very colourful so yeah, i had a very colourful background . i was flipping background. i was flipping burgers on mathew street to like 4 the morning, and then 4 am. in the morning, and then i'd up to school. i'd get up and go to school. i just didn't respond to the education system, i was disruptive, was bored, so in disruptive, i was bored, so in the threw out. went the end they threw me out. went on to work in a sport shop and got pregnant at 17. okay, so i was a single parent at the age of 17, and at that point everyone had wrote me off. so it's, oh, you know, she's never going to make anything of herself. she's never going to do anything. and that gave me the drive and determination to prove everybody good. everybody wrong. oh good. >> so single parent at 17. not much of an education but great work ethic. yeah, was it a little bit scary for you as well

though, kate being, you know, pregnant and having a baby at that age . that age. >> absolutely petrifying. but i am confident person as am i am a confident person as well, and i don't really give a damn what anyone thinks of me. and i'm very resilient as well . and i'm very resilient as well. so i'll always get up and try and sometimes i'll fall over , and sometimes i'll fall over, but it jumps straight back up, dust myself off and i go again. so you got all this motivation as person, wagging as a young person, wagging school as we say, and working and being a nuisance at school. >> yeah, because is not >> yeah, because school is not for everybody. know that for for everybody. i know that for young get pregnant, young people, you get pregnant, have a baby, and you think, oh, i'm not you've took a i'm not saying you've took a step by having baby, but step back by having a baby, but it slows you down a it sort of slows you down a little you want little bit in in what you want to do you overcome that? to do. how do you overcome that? >> i my little girl >> well, i had my little girl then, and i knew i had to make changes because i didn't changes for her because i didn't want her to go through the same thing gone through. and thing that i'd gone through. and i to a better i wanted her to have a better life have ever so life than i have ever had. so she was drive for me, she was the drive there for me, and i did it. i got up every day. i went to work and knocked on doors to try and get employment. and it's so

difficult no difficult having no qualifications no experience qualifications and no experience at for people to give at that point for people to give you an opportunity. >> yeah, think sometimes we >> yeah, i think sometimes we are , we like products of where are, we like products of where we're born. know, for we're born. you know, for example , i was born in example, i was born in nottinghamshire, raised in nottinghamshire. coal nottinghamshire. i was a coal miner for years. if miner for, for many years. if you people in sheffield you know, people in sheffield have steelworkers , people have become steelworkers, people in, become, fishermen in, in grimsby become, fishermen and in liverpool docks. but liverpool had a tough time in the 80s and 90s and, and noughfies.| the 80s and 90s and, and noughties. i think when you were probably trying to earn your coin . so it's actually more coin. so it's actually more difficult in and no disrespect to liverpool, but more difficult in a place like the reporter to do what you've done. >> it is it was more difficult because well being five foot because as well being five foot don't big don't five four. yeah well i'm six foot two. there you go. >> leg there. you have to stand on a barrel today eating. >> yeah, yeah. being five foot. yeah, yeah. >> being five foot and having such a broad scouse accent as well. nobody took me well. nobody really took me serious. not educated , serious. and i'm not educated, really. i don't know big, massive words and i don't

really, you know, i know how to make money. i know how to do business. so it difficult business. so it was difficult for me and a guy came up from london and he was starting the camden of the okay. and camden of the north. okay. and i went him for a job, and he went to him for a job, and he told me f off. and just told me to f off. and i just kept going and going back. kept going back and going back. and end said to me, and in the end he said to me, because he being a smart because he was being a smart alec, said, you be an elf alec, he said, you can be an elf in grotto. bear in mind, in the grotto. bear in mind, this was the docks of this was in the docks of liverpool, absolutely bitterly cold, december . and i cold, cold in december. and i was like, okay, i'll do it. so off got dressed up as an off i went, got dressed up as an elf. and in the end he said, you know i'll you the know what, i'll give you the job. i ended up working as a secretary, working to secretary, working my way up to be a and then i ended up be a pa and then i ended up running the site and three running the site and after three years control the site. >> so, that'll teach him, won't it? certainly. well, what's it? yes, certainly. well, what's it? yes, certainly. well, what's it dressed as elf ? it like dressed as an elf? awful, awful. >> then. so dock was >> but then. so stanley dock was the biggest sunday market in the nonh the biggest sunday market in the north west. i attracted hollywood blockbuster films to be made there, like guy ritchie's sherlock holmes . ritchie's sherlock holmes. captain america used it for lots of , bbc, itv

captain america used it for lots of, bbc, itv dramas, nightclubs. so i utilise the space so there will be some young people out there looking at this or i hope they are, looking at you, kate, and thinking , i want to do what and thinking, i want to do what she's done. >> any advice? >> any advice? >> just be confident in yourself. get up every day. >> that's for easy you to say because you're a confident person. i sometimes people go to work at to be confident. work at that to be confident. >> yeah, you what have to >> yeah, you do what you have to tell you have to have tell yourself. you have to have a positive, positive mindset as well. and don't let circumstances or other people influence you. every single person is made up of the same thing . we've all got it inside thing. we've all got it inside us. it'sjust thing. we've all got it inside us. it's just nurturing it and getting it out . be confident in getting it out. be confident in yourself. get i get every day yourself. get i get up every day and i've got no problem with talking to myself in the mirror and say, go on girl, you're going have the best day ever. going to have the best day ever. you sure people are you have to make sure people are scared failure well. scared of failure as well. >> saying about >> i'm not saying what about rejection, are because you rejection, are you? because you strike a sort of person strike me as a sort of person that gets up, dust that just gets herself up, dust himself and just cracks on himself down and just cracks on with himself down and just cracks on witibut rejection

>> but rejection comes all through life. you've through your life. but you've got yourself, you got to think to yourself, you know what, care. i will know what, i don't care. i will do it again and i will prove you wrong. that rejection as do it again and i will prove you wrongand that rejection as do it again and i will prove you wrongand ambition ection as do it again and i will prove you wrongand ambition toion as do it again and i will prove you wrongand ambition to getas do it again and i will prove you wrongand ambition to get where drive and ambition to get where you want to be. >> well, you can dress as an elf. could get with elf. i could never get away with that. i've bigger that. i've got a bigger challenge now, kate , on challenge for you now, kate, on the pint pot. you've got the pull pint pot. you've got 30s to pull. i think it's that one there. >> it's all i own. pubs. okay? >> it's all i own. pubs. okay? >> i've got to smash this. >> i've got to smash this. >> i've got an unfair advantage. >> i've got an unfair advantage. >> okay, let's have a look then. she owns pubs. yeah, and fast cdl’s. >> cars. >> fast cars? yeah >> fast cars? yeah >> unlike your bling. that's a big bling. here. that ring . no. big bling. here. that ring. no. oh, let's just put a little bit of shake. what we're going to do as well in a moment is get back the, the left in the corner. andy mcdonald. can somebody wake him up, please? andy mcdonald. can somebody wake hintherelease? andy mcdonald. can somebody wake hinthere you e? andy mcdonald. can somebody wake hinthere you go, my darling. the >> there you go, my darling. the perfect pint. >> mcdonald , come back in >> andy mcdonald, come back in the room, please. >> can you get off my box now? >> can you get off my box now? >> get off your soapbox. >> yeah. get off your soapbox. and you to pull a pint and if you want to pull a pint there, friend. oh, yeah. oh, there, my friend. oh, yeah. oh, it's not our typical socialist here. >> i didn't say get on with it.

>> i didn't say get on with it. >> christ . and then we're going >> christ. and then we're going to get chloe dobbs back, and he's got a good wrist action there. okay. yeah, yeah, he's done this before. >> haven't you? >> haven't you? >> yeah. it's probably the hardest work he's done. hardest work he's ever done. yeah, look, yeah, he's a socialist. look, i like your watch as well. it's very retro. okay. oh, yeah . very retro. okay. oh, yeah. yeah. casio digital watch. i'd one of those and chloe , you're one of those and chloe, you're going to come back in now it's your turn. let me get your pint pot. >> i say kate swan is going to be hard to compete with. >> well, i think so. >> well, i think so. >> i haven't done this for about five let's five years. let's see. let's have a look. >> a clown. >> do a clown. >> obviously you'd have been a student students work student and all students work behind they? some behind bars, don't they? at some stage. never a stage. but you were never a student life, you? student of life, weren't you? yeah, sense. still, yeah, yeah. common sense. still, i tell you what, it's going to be odd this week to. oh, a reverse pole. did you see that, andy? >> yeah, i did that. yeah, a reverse pole there. >> you get the foam. so, kate , i >> you get the foam. so, kate, i want you to mark chloe's point. well as a publican, i like this one because you've got a bit of

a head. >> so you've saved a bit on the been >> so you've saved a bit on the beer. yeah. >> so out of ten, i would give that, my darling, a ten out of ten. >> okay? okay, andy, which one's yours? >> right. >> right. >> give that four. and, >> i'll give that four. and, that's your in middle, that's your one in the middle, ain't it ? ain't it? >> no. that's mine. sorry. >> no. that's mine. sorry. >> that's yours in the middle. kate. andy, you've to kate. yeah. andy, you've got to judge point. judge kate's point. >> eight out of ten that i don't like. >> arade dam mar—a—lago head was perfect did. perfect when she did. >> so you've got you've >> okay, so you've got you've got, got ten of ten got, chloe's got ten out of ten and he's got a miserable four. no biased scoring at all, andy. it's been one of those shows and it's been one of those shows and i chloe's got an eight. i think chloe's got an eight. clearly the women are the best at anything basically. is that not who cares. sexist >> who cares? who cares. sexist >> who cares? who cares. sexist >> sexist. >> sexist. >> kate, it's all right to be sexist against white males. >> you know, in this day and age , i mean, well, to be fair, considering your performance on the few pints, probably the last few pints, it probably is justified right? okay. is justified here, right? okay. >> him up now. >> i'm gonna shut him up now. >> i'm gonna shut him up now. >> we go. here go. >> i'm gonna shut him up now. >> i'm we go. here go. >> i'm gonna shut him up now. >> i'm we on. here go. >> i'm gonna shut him up now. >> i'm we on watch go. >> i'm gonna shut him up now. >> i'm we on watch thisio. >> i'm gonna shut him up now. >> i'm we on watch this .. >> i'm sick on watch this. you're watching this .

you're watching this. >> you can't see. viewers will remember when we did this in in ashfield. he did. >> and i'm going to do the chloe the chloe technique, which is the chloe technique, which is the reverse pull i think. anyway there you go. >> it's not full to the top, just full and giving him a discount for that are you. >> what are you going to give me that for that one andy. you've not you've not filled it up. so probably six out of ten. >> out of ten. that's on the >> six out of ten. that's on the pole. thanks, jess. you've been brilliant. you, kate. lovely to kate. lovetyto chloe. >> lovely, andy. always a pleasure, mate. massive thanks to all guests on this week's to all my guests on this week's lee anderson's real more lee anderson's real world. more of week p.m. of the same next week at 7 pm. on up next, on gb news. but coming up next, we've friday night live with we've got friday night live with mark mark, what's mark dolan. mark, what's occurring ? occurring? >> brilliant stuff. thank you lee. well, a very busy friday night live with me, mark dolan, your weekend starts here. and as they block the rwanda plan for they block the rwanda plan for the third time, is this proof that old people shouldn't be allowed to vote? we'll be talking about the house of lords , our attacks on liz truss.

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