to the jewish and being close to the pro—palestine protest. apparently that is antagonistic . apparently that is antagonistic. what on earth is going on.7 and let me ask you this do you care which country your food comes from.7 would you make a beeline for british produce in the shops, and would you be prepared to pay more for it to try and support british farmers or not.7 and in the height of stupidity, if you ask me, a report shows today children young as today that children as young as three. heard that right. three. you heard that right. three a smartphone and three earn a smartphone and apparently almost 40% of 5 to 7 year olds now use social media. i'm sorry, but i think that is just poor parenting. but one lord tells me that i'm completely wrong and the situation more situation is absolutely more complicated do complicated than that. what do you well, i've all that you think? well, i've all that to come. but before we get stuck in, let's cross live for tonight's latest news headlines. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . your

wenzler in the gb newsroom. your top story this hour. the uk and western allies are calling for de—escalation in the middle east after reports that israel launched air strikes against iran. state media says three drones were shot down with explosions heard at an airbase near the city of isfahan. no damage or injuries have been reported in the latest exchange. the strike is thought to be in response to last weekend's attack, when iran fired a barrage of drones and missiles at israel. labour leader keir starmer has added to calls for a straight as the best way forward. >> i'm deeply concerned about the prospect of escalation, escalation of the conflict in the middle east is in nobody's interest it and so it's very, very important, therefore, that everybody urges restraint on all sides . more everybody urges restraint on all sides. more than that, we everybody urges restraint on all sides . more than that, we really sides. more than that, we really need that ceasefire in gaza now, straight away. so that hostages can come out desperately needed aid , needs to get in,

aid, needs to get in, desperately, desperately needed and we need, if you like, a foot in the door for the political process to peace now, scotland's former first minister has spoken former first minister has spoken for the first time since her husband was charged by police. >> nicola sturgeon was questioned by journalists as she left her home in glasgow. >> it's incredibly difficult, but you know that's not the main issue here, so i can't say any more. >> i'm not going to say any more, my peter murrell, who was the snp's chief executive for more than two decades before standing down last year, has been charged in connection with the embezzlement of funds . the embezzlement of funds. >> detectives are investigating how more than £600,000 in donations for independence campaigning was spent. the 59 year old, who is no longer in custody , has also resigned his custody, has also resigned his snp membership . the british snp membership. the british medical association is urging rishi sunak to avoid using hostile language on what he described as sick note culture. dufing

described as sick note culture. during a major speech, the prime minister said 850,000 more people are out of work since the pandemic, and insists he's on a moral mission to fix the problem. the proposals, though, have been described as a full assault on disabled people. rishi sunak recognised he'll be accused of lacking compassion, but insists the uk can't afford a spiralling increase in the welfare bill. >> we now spend £69 billion on benefits for people of working age with a disability or health condition that's more than our entire schools budget , more than entire schools budget, more than our transport budget, more than our transport budget, more than our policing budget, and spending on personal independence payments alone. it's forecast to increase by more than 50% over the next four years. >> the prime minister is promising his rwanda safety bill will be passed on monday. rishi sunak couldn't confirm whether asylum flights would get off the ground by his spring deadline, but he did say his intention was

to get the legislation through parliament without further delay . he says mps will be forced to sit in the commons until the job is done. in other news, the met police has apologised after an officer used the terms openly jewish to an anti—semitism campaigner who was near a pro—palestine march. a video clip posted on social media showed the moment gideon falter was threatened by arrest by the police . police. >> you are quite openly jewish. this is a pro—palestine march. i'm not accusing you of anything, but i'm worried about the reaction to your presence . the reaction to your presence. >> the chief executive of campaign against anti—semitism was wearing a kippah skullcap when he was stopped from crossing a road near the demonstration in london last saturday. the met police assistant commissioner said the officer's poor choice of words was hugely regrettable . five was hugely regrettable. five just stop oil protesters have been convicted of aggravated trespass after they disrupted a performance of les miserables in

london's west end last year. performance of les miserables in london's west end last year . the london's west end last year. the performance was stopped when activists stormed the stage and locked themselves to the set. an audience of around 1000 people was asked to leave the venue, and the performance was cancelled, the court was told. the action cost the theatre an estimated £60,000, and squatters have vowed to stay inside a gordon ramsay pub until their evicted. some were spotted leaving the venue this morning after the celebrity chef's lawyers secured a court order. but it's not clear how many people are still in the building. the group shut themselves in the york and albany in north london last week. they claim the legal system is designed for the rich , system is designed for the rich, and argue the building has been left empty for years. in an area with some of the worst levels of rough sleeping in the country. and latest stories, sign and for the latest stories, sign up gb news alerts by scanning up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common shirts now it's back to . michelle.

it's back to. michelle. >> thanks very much for that. sophia and michelle dewberry alongside michelle seven the political commentator benedict spence and the trade unionist and author paul mbappe. >> good evening to you . that >> good evening to you. that last story. i covered this on the show. the other day about that squatting in gordon ramsay's i think it's so ramsay's pub. i think it's so disgraceful that people think that they somehow have the right to just go into an empty property , literally because it's property, literally because it's empty and do with it what they please moral, you know, high five the, the social purpose and the soup kitchen and all that. brilliant. i think that's a great endeavour. go and raise your own investment . buy your your own investment. buy your own property, alicia. your own property. and then open up your own soup kitchen. you can't just take someone else's. you've seen the price of property today, michelle. >> well , extortionate. >> well, extortionate. >> well, extortionate. >> yeah, but it depends on the property. mean, if you want property. i mean, if you want some listed pub, then of some huge listed pub, then of course going to cost you course it's going to cost you a small fortune. i think 13

million was the price tag on that but you know, the that one. but you know, the truth is we've got a housing crisis. >> the truth is that you don't support squatters, surely? no, no, but but what no, no, i don't, but but what i'm saying is, it's not as easy as just simply saying that people should go buy people should go and buy property. prices property property. the prices of property these are astronomical, and these days are astronomical, and a direct protest is not a bit of direct protest is not a bad thing necessarily. >> so you mind if you went >> so would you mind if you went on and someone on your holidays and someone rocked your house set rocked up to your house and set up a kitchen in your spare up a soup kitchen in your spare room, or in your lounge as a bit of protest? would you of direct protest? would you think that's fine? >> their cooking was >> well, if their cooking was better than my wife's, i might accommodate but but it would accommodate it. but but it would never it would. would never be. it would. it would never be. it would. it would never be. it would. it would never be. course i must make never be. of course i must make that the warpath that very, very on the warpath today. otherwise i'm not. i'm not in house not getting in the house tonight. when i get back. >> not bad shout, actually. >> not a bad shout, actually. >> not a bad shout, actually. >> not a bad shout, actually. >> no one ever cooks for me, so maybe that's what i need. maybe that's what i do need. maybe yeah, i do, maybe what i need, yeah, i do, maybe what need. maybe that's what i need. actually my own kitchen. yeah. >> they cater to you. >> they cater to you. >> yeah. but i >> yeah. but actually i shouldn't say that out loud. >> might plant seeds in the >> i might plant seeds in the minds of idiots. that might take

me on that. anyway. hello, me up on that. anyway. hello, everybody. you, me up on that. anyway. hello, eve in»ody. you, me up on that. anyway. hello, eve in touch you, me up on that. anyway. hello, eve in touch with you, me up on that. anyway. hello, eve in touch with me you, me up on that. anyway. hello, eve in touch with me tonight. u, get in touch with me tonight. all usual what's on all the usual ways. what's on your mind tonight? gb news. com slash the website. slash your say on the website. you can chat to me on there. of course you can me. can course you can email me. you can tweet text me. jen says she tweet or text me. jen says she loves friday nights. film loves friday nights. it's film and takeaway night. she says, after jubes. there you go. who afterjubes. there you go. who needs cooking? cooking needs cooking? who needs cooking for can go round to for when you can go round to jen's free takeaway? jen's and have a free takeaway? will exactly. will she live? yeah. exactly. where? do live, where? yeah. where do you live, jen? we'll all pile in. >> we'll all pile around your house. >> we'll all pile around your h0lyes. >> yes. >> yes. >> it's great. everybody is just going each other. let's just going to each other. let's just all each other's pile around. >> jen's friday night. bring bottle. >> well, you won't be able to bnng >> well, you won't be able to bring rishi sunak, though, because he's in trouble today. i don't be welcome in don't think he'd be welcome in many homes because he many people's homes because he has plans. what is has unveiled plans. what he is saying a moral mission. saying is on a moral mission. mission? basically, it's all about so—called sinner about this so—called sinner culture britain in his culture of britain in his sights. he's got those people that long time sickness. that are on long time sickness. he thinks that it's much, he thinks that it's too much, especially when to especially when it comes to young people, especially when it comes things mental comes to things like mental health rest of it. health and all the rest of it. but he's also got these

so—called they're not called sick they're called fit sick notes, they're called fit notes. or not gp's notes. and whether or not gp's should prescribing them or should be prescribing them or handing them basically, handing them out, basically, he's that perhaps he's suggesting that perhaps there's a conflict of interest, maybe might like the maybe the doctor might like the person a much feel bad person a bit much and feel bad and them off, etc. and sand them off, etc. >> i think it's a very tricky thing because obviously there are are long ill are people who are long time ill who to work. and, who aren't able to work. and, you often have you know, often when you have these sorts crackdowns on these sorts of crackdowns on people the benefit people exploiting the benefit system, worry about people people exploiting the benefit syst

they don't want to go back to work, but it can't be a situation where, you know, we have, you know, hundreds of thousands you're thousands of people where you're effectively you effectively just told, well, you can take medication and, you know, whenever, if ever you feel better, come back. better, you can come back. that's not very i wouldn't that's not a very i wouldn't argue that's very progressive thing. of thing. and on the subject of gp's mental is not gp's mental health is not actually same as gp's mental health is not actu ofy same as gp's mental health is not actu of physical same as gp's mental health is not actu of physical health same as gp's mental health is not actu of physical health orame as gp's mental health is not actu of physical health or gps as sort of physical health or gps jobs encapsulates all sorts sort of physical health or gps jolthings.)sulates all sorts sort of physical health or gps jolthings. and|tes all sorts sort of physical health or gps jolthings. and actuallyl sorts sort of physical health or gps jolthings. and actually we�*rts sort of physical health or gps jolthings. and actually we do of things. and actually we do have health specialists have mental health specialists precisely it's the precisely because it's not the same sort of area that the average might have trained average gp might have trained on. it wasn't particularly on. it wasn't a particularly prevalent ten, years prevalent thing ten, 20 years ago, again, know, the ago, and again, you know, the ways actually addressing it, ways of actually addressing it, the ways of dealing with it, the ways of spotting it, what is severe, isn't. i think is severe, what isn't. i think is a very different way to to, noticing physical ailments. so perhaps point about gps perhaps he has a point about gps not necessarily diagnosing people mental health, people with poor mental health, but , you know, generally for but, you know, generally for people physically ill, i people who are physically ill, i think would a very bad think it would be a very bad idea to take the power away from a say this person isn't a gp to say this person isn't well enough to work well. >> rishi sunak was actually putting some numbers on this. listen costs listen to some of the costs involved of this stuff.

involved in some of this stuff. >> now spend £69 billion on >> we now spend £69 billion on benefits for people of working age disability or health age with a disability or health condition . that's more than our condition. that's more than our entire school's budget, more than our transport budget, more than our transport budget, more than our transport budget, more than our policing budget, and spending on personal independence payments alone , independence payments alone, it's forecast to increase by more than 50% over the next four years. >> it's not sustainable, is it, paul? yeah but why are so many people disincentivised from working? >> michel , is working? >> michel, is there an epidemic of bone idleness? some people undoubtedly are lazy. some people are bone idle. but i think the vast majority of people in this country want rewarding work. but there isn't rewarding work. but there isn't reward in work at the moment. what we've got is the gig economy. what we've got is zero hours contracts. what we've seen is the decimation of our industry, our manufacturing base. we've seen rampant deindustrialisation, the sorts of blue collar jobs and industries that instilled a sense of pride in people and in

communities. those largely don't exist anymore because we've put all of our eggs in the basket of financial services, and we look upon industry as if it's kind of dirty, menial work. think of tony blair saying that 50% of young people should go to university, not because he thought they should be working in factories with blue collars , in factories with blue collars, because he thought they should because he thought they should be working in the city with white and look down white collars. and we look down upon sort of work. so if upon that sort of work. so if you're a working class person in one those communities, you one of those communities, you kind well, and by the kind of think, well, and by the way, i'm not defending scroungers, think the scroungers, okay? i think the welfare system should be a safety a comfort safety net, not a comfort blanket. the old saying goes, blanket. as the old saying goes, but it has to be a two pronged thing. you have give people but it has to be a two pronged thi incentive ave give people but it has to be a two pronged thi incentive to�* give people but it has to be a two pronged thi incentive to getgive people but it has to be a two pronged thi incentive to getgivein eople but it has to be a two pronged thi incentive to getgivein the .e an incentive to get up in the morning to say, we are morning and to say, we are providing with good, solid, providing you with good, solid, sustainable jobs in good, solid, sustainable jobs in good, solid, sustainable industries. and that has our country and we has gone from our country and we paid a huge price it. paid a huge price for it. >> do you do you want to respond to that? >> i think there's something in there not paying. i there about work not paying. i think recognises that think everybody recognises that and see that sort of in the and we see that sort of in the housing crisis, the fact that

sort of a younger generation of people struggling save people are struggling to save up enough, think, you know, enough, i think, were, you know, wages to be raised slightly in certain do actually wages to be raised slightly in certaiyou'd do actually wages to be raised slightly in certaiyou'd ado actually wages to be raised slightly in certaiyou'd a lotictually wages to be raised slightly in certaiyou'd a lot morely think you'd see a lot more people they weren't people discovering they weren't that and that unwell to work. and actually they might back to actually they might go back to it it if it paid better than it if it if it paid better than benefits did. but i just want to touch upon you said, which touch upon what you said, which is about working class people, because is because i don't think this is necessarily class necessarily a working class issue. a these issue. i suspect a lot of these people are middle, upper middle class i think that it's class people. i think that it's not something affects not something that just affects one certain cohort of society. i suspect some ways, what suspect in some ways, what we often health often see with mental health conditions, illnesses conditions, mental illnesses is that is mimetic. there are that it is mimetic. there are elements to which are elements to it which are fashionable in certain circles. you notice it a lot. you'll get a lot of people coming down with you notice it a lot. you'll get a losameeople coming down with you notice it a lot. you'll get a losame issues:oming down with you notice it a lot. you'll get a losame issues inning down with you notice it a lot. you'll get a losame issues inning same with the same issues in the same school, they happen to school, and they just happen to be the same classrooms. it's be in the same classrooms. it's one of those things that is not particularly understood, one of those things that is not partiit|larly understood, one of those things that is not partiit isrly understood, one of those things that is not partiit is a' understood, one of those things that is not partiit is a socialunderstood, one of those things that is not partiit is a social contagioni, one of those things that is not partiit is a social contagion in that it is a social contagion in as it might be a as much as it might be a physical one, as much it meant as much as it might be a mental one. so it's not. again, i say it's not necessarily something that say, it's that you can just say, oh, it's working people having

working class people having having time. i suspect having a rubbish time. i suspect there is also an element of that, just people in the that, just lots of people in the same sorts of group. and therefore do you'll see therefore i do think you'll see a of it in the upper middle a lot of it in the upper middle classes as well. the thing classes as well. and the thing is, that i'd say is, the other thing that i'd say is, the other thing that i'd say is really easy to medicate is it's really easy to medicate this because go to the gp this because you go to the gp and they give you your note and they just give you your note and they just give you your note and pills and off you go. and your pills and off you go. but not a very healthy but that's not a very healthy way. long term. if you look at the links between antidepressants the links between ant example, tls the links between antexample,1ts really for example, it's really not a healthy dealing with it. for example, it's really not a healthat's dealing with it. for example, it's really not a healthat's why dealing with it. for example, it's really not a healthat's why iealing with it. for example, it's really not a healthat's why i going with it. for example, it's really not a healthat's why i go backith it. for example, it's really not a healthat's why i go back to it. for example, it's really not a healthat's why i go back to what and that's why i go back to what i originally said is we're not seeing numbers coming seeing these numbers coming down. something down. and that's something that really does need to be addressed. even if you do say we need offer people more need to offer people more money to get into work, we also to get back into work, we also need people off need to get people off antidepressants than need to get people off antcurrently nts than we currently do. >> not just financial >> and it's not just a financial thing saving people, thing in terms of saving people, saving the country money. work is on a social is good because on a social level, integrates people into level, it integrates people into society. you build society. it helps you build those networks, those sort of support networks, those relationships. i've got friendships with colleagues who i've they'll be, i've worked with and they'll be, you know, long lasting friendships. i'm so, you friendships. i'm sure, so, you know, just about the know, it's not just about the balance at the end of the balance sheet. at the end of the day, what it does in

day, it's about what it does in terms life, terms of people's social life, in agency, in in terms of their agency, in terms their mental wellbeing, terms of their mental wellbeing, in of their in terms of their overall health, so on. so we health, and so on. so we shouldn't, you know, get lost in the fog of, well, this will save us x billion pounds a year. but i go back to the point that the for many people working today is mundane drudgery. that's the truth it. truth of it. >> what? >> so what? >> so what? >> well so what? well, don't. well, fine. so what? but don't complain then. if people think, well, why should why should well, why should i? why should i engagein well, why should i? why should i engage in 40, 50 hours week of money? >> why not when i say so what? >> why not when i say so what? >> i guess what i mean is, and what? because in life. yeah. who wouldn't want to be, you know, what's that saying? find. what is it? do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life. what a wonderful sentiment. and high five. if you found you're found your passion and you're living dream. excellent but living your dream. excellent but in people just in reality, most people just have a roof over their have to keep a roof over their head you'll whatever it head and you'll do whatever it takes that roof over takes to keep that roof over your head. and guess what? sometimes not nice . sometimes that work is not nice. >> so i think we've got a responsibility as a society to make work rewarding for people,

not terms decent not just in terms of decent wages , but to create a kind of wages, but to create a kind of economy actually has economy that actually has decent, solid jobs. and we don't do that because we are we because we kind of level down. it's a to race the bottom. and we have, you know, transient, precarious employment for people in the gig economy. and we pay them low wages to do it. and as i said, we obsess about financial services , which financial services, which creates a huge disparity. all of the all of the money gets drawn into the southeast. we've seen this last 30, 40 years this over the last 30, 40 years in of money in britain. all of the money floods in to the city of london and the southeast. and, you know, post—industrial as know, the post—industrial as they are now, areas of our country have been well , country have been told, well, you're just going to have to suck up, you know, because suck it up, you know, because gdp bit better, which gdp will be a bit better, which it isn't, frankly, but because the will better off, the country will be better off, we'll trickle we'll have the trickle down effects benefit from we'll have the trickle down effefact benefit from we'll have the trickle down effefact that benefit from we'll have the trickle down effefact that we'veienefit from we'll have the trickle down effefact that we've got, it from we'll have the trickle down effefact that we've got, you»m the fact that we've got, you know, one of richest, know, one of the richest, capital cities in the, in the world. and in fact, when you look at those post—industrial areas, you look at those areas, when you look at those coastal you coastal communities, when you look , you know, like

look at places, you know, like small town, collar britain, small town, blue collar britain, you that they have you actually see that they have been thrown under the you been thrown under the bus. you see, know , societies that see, you know, societies that are riddled with social decay and violence and family breakdown and drugs and so on. and you see that they haven't benefited financially from that economic approach either. and by doing that, i think we've paid a huge price economically. >> i do agree that we've failed a lot towns and cities. we've a lot of towns and cities. we've closed the industry no closed down the industry and no one's care and i do one's had the care and i do think it's a fact of not caring. i think people have not cared to replace provide replace that industry or provide good employment. i just i guess i worry that we're selling particularly young people, this dream, that work is going to be this awesome thing. you're going to find your mind to find peace in your mind sometimes work is really damn boring. it's really mundane. it's really work . it's it's really hard work. it's really repetitive. and sometimes you'll quite you'll have days where, quite frankly, want to get frankly, you don't want to get out bed and do it. but you out of bed and go do it. but you know tough. that's life. know what? tough. that's life. provide for yourself. provide for you can. for your family if you can. >> talking about sort of >> we're talking about sort of a lot post—industrial towns, lot of post—industrial towns, actually. industry? actually. what was the industry? coal mills, coal mining, steel mills,

shipyards, sort of thing. shipyards, that sort of thing. this something was this was not something that was famous installing, you know, this was not something that was fanin|s installing, you know, this was not something that was fanin the installing, you know, this was not something that was fanin the people .ing, you know, this was not something that was fanin the people that you know, this was not something that was fanin the people that did know, this was not something that was fanin the people that did it.ow, joy in the people that did it. it offered a sense of it might have offered a sense of camaraderie. well, i'll tell you what, have offered what, it might have offered a lot community and lot of community and camaraderie, were camaraderie, but these were things enormous things that existed in enormous pride mining. pride in the mining. >> these things that >> these were things that existed in the mining existed in pride in the mining industry. look at things, industry. you look at things, you those towns you look at those mining towns and villages mbappe and villages and there mbappe because these were things that existed despite the work, because the work was hard and you needed to offset. you needed things to offset. >> is the thing, you're >> and this is the thing, you're sort like talking this sort of like talking about this as actually everybody enjoys as if actually everybody enjoys their everybody thinks their work or everybody thinks they lot people they can. a lot of people work specifically. do specifically. so what they do outside of is pleasure. outside of work is pleasure. >> enormous pride >> there was enormous pride in the you cited >> there was enormous pride in the example. you cited >> there was enormous pride in the example. they you cited >> there was enormous pride in the example. they yo their d the example. they had their banners they their brass banners and they had their brass bands. know, it was a bands. and, you know, it was a real sense of community those real sense of community in those industries. when closed industries. when thatcher closed them the mid 1980s, she them down in the mid 1980s, she absolutely all of absolutely destroyed all of that. and some of those pit villages and communities now are still paying the price of that. i think if you speak to miners, they find was tough, they did find it was tough, gruelling but they a gruelling work, but they found a sense reward in it and it sense of reward in it and it

instilled a sense of pride and community the whole area. community in the whole area. >> modernity not >> is the point of modernity not to away that situation to move away from that situation where don't have where actually people don't have to mines, they don't to go down mines, they don't have go to mills, don't. have to go to mills, they don't. >> energy crisis. >> well, we've got an energy crisis we've decided to crisis because we've decided to go zero, which doesn't. go for net zero, which doesn't. and to mean, and we decided to i mean, honestly, if we want to get on, that's entirely different that's an entirely different conversation. that's an entirely different con�*actually. i, but actually what i, what i understood the human condition as progress as is being is that progress means that you no longer have to do work, you don't do menial work, and you don't have work the 9 to 5. and have to work the 9 to 5. and actually, find actually, if you can find a situation people can exist situation where people can exist out not have sort out there and not have to sort of end up retiring at 55 because their bodies that their bodies are broken, that would be a positive thing. >> would thought. and you >> i would have thought. and you speak bodies. speak about broken bodies. there'll people there'll be many people today actually, that genuinely are disabled or genuinely cannot do work. and imagine that when work. and i imagine that when you hear these kind of clampdowns and all the rest of it, i imagine it could actually make people feel very anxious about is to come. you about what is to come. if you are one of those people, get in touch and let know what goes touch and let me know what goes through mind when hear through your mind when you hear rishi about rishi sunak talking about launching rishi sunak talking about launchlike all the rest

things like pip and all the rest of it, get in touch with me all the usual ways . i'll return to the usual ways. i'll return to some of your comments after the break, but before that i also want to touch on another story, which is about the police . which is about the met's police. they to arrest they threatened to arrest a jewish you know what he jewish man. do you know what he was doing ? apparently looking was doing? apparently looking jewish alongside a proper justinian march? what on earth is going on? see

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. alongside with you till 7:00. alongside with the political commentator benedict spence and the trade unionist and author paul embree . unionist and author paul embree. welcome back, everybody, ruth has been in touch. i was asking just before that break, there'll be people out there that are on disability benefits. perhaps you receive or whatever as well , receive pip or whatever as well, and you will feel, i guess, uneasy today. ruth says, please, can everyone stop suggesting that people on pip are work shy? many of us also do work and we do pay tax . she goes on to

do pay tax. she goes on to explain about additional support and equipment that's required and equipment that's required and she says, please, can everyone stop demonising the disabled? matt says your guest is right. i don't know which one though, matt. he says, definitely , definitely him. he definitely, definitely him. he says, he says we all had says, he says once we all had well jobs in industry, now well paid jobs in industry, now well paid jobs in industry, now we mac that offer we have mac jobs that offer people nothing. you missed our conversation break, matt, conversation in the break, matt, because i was just arguing to paul people, in my view , they paul people, in my view, they should be out flipping burgers at mcdonald's or whatever, if that's what it takes to provide for family, laughing for their family, he's laughing at that, i think. i think, what's wrong with that? and i think actually the fact that so many people there is many people think there is something with that is something wrong with that is probably of the problem something wrong with that is probwe've of the problem something wrong with that is probwe've got)f the problem something wrong with that is probwe've got inthe problem something wrong with that is probwe've got in our:)roblem something wrong with that is probwe've got in our society that we've got in our society today. anyway, your today. anyway, tell me your thoughts, let's move on. the thoughts, but let's move on. the metropolitan been metropolitan police has been branded metropolitan police has been branis�*d metropolitan police has been branis after an officer this is after an officer essentially threatened to arrest a jewish man. if you ask me, he wasn't actually doing anything. he was trying to have a meander around trying to cross the road. but crime there was but his crime was that there was a march taking

a pro—palestine march taking place same time. place at the same time. >> you are quite openly >> watch, you are quite openly jewish. this is a pro—palestinian march right? i'm not accusing you of anything, but i'm worried about the reaction to your presence. people now will escorted people here now will be escorted out area . out of this area. >> so go about your business, go where you like, freely or if you choose to remain here because you are causing a breach of this. and if i remain here, you will arrest because your presence is antagonising a large group of people that we can't deal with all of them. if they attack you or they, they cause your presence, antagonism . your presence, antagonism. >> i mean, how on earth is his presence antagonising an apparently peaceful march? anyway, let's listen to what that chap has to say about this . that chap has to say about this. >> weren't part of any kind of protest or counter—protest . we protest or counter—protest. we were just walking wherever we wanted to as jews , as free wanted to as jews, as free londoners supposedly able to go wherever we wanted to. except we weren't able to go wherever we wanted to. i might disagree with

some of their decisions, but these people, these officers , these people, these officers, are being put in impossible positions week in, week out. they're being asked to police huge protests with very few officers. to be honest, i feel very sympathetic towards frontline police officers and the situation that they are facing when they're told to police these marches . police these marches. >> benedek, what do you think to that? >> i think the last line that you heard just there, that he's actually very sympathetic towards officers, think is towards the officers, i think is that's the thing i've been that's the thing that i've been feeling this because feeling throughout this because a lot of people have been getting very angry about the language used. language that was used. you know, officers a know, police officers have a very difficult they are not very difficult job. they are not necessarily linguistically dextrous. that's not what they're there they they're there for. they are there keep peace. him there to keep the peace. him saying the police officer saying you're jewish is not you're openly jewish is not offensive. statement offensive. it's a statement of fact. is not that fact. the issue is not that language. that the language. the issue is that the presence of a jewish man in central london could provoke people violent , and in people to be violent, and in that situation, police have that situation, the police have to actually it is to judge that actually it is more effective if you like to arrest on. the jewish arrest or move on. the jewish man than to police the crowd,

presumably they don't presumably because they don't have the numbers and they fear that it could descend into a riot. that is what is being implied here, even though they wouldn't loud. that implied here, even though they wweryi't loud. that implied here, even though they wwery clearly loud. that implied here, even though they wwery clearly the loud. that implied here, even though they wwery clearly the implication.3t implied here, even though they w

that protests need that those these protests need to now? to be stopped now? >> for a long time, it is >> yes, i for a long time, it is unacceptable that unacceptable to me that a minority in britain can minority group in britain can feel that they are not able to walk in parts of their own capital city, because just by being jewish, not israeli. let's being jewish, not israeli. let's be clear, not israeli, by being jewish, they risk the threat of violence from people who are racist against them. that is unacceptable. paul. >> i completely disagree . >> no, i completely disagree. the vast majority of people on these peaceful. these protests are peaceful. benedict and the truth is that many jews have also joined these protests . so, you know many. protests. so, you know many. well, i think we always hear this many jews. >> it's a handful people who >> it's a handful of people who have fringe have very extreme fringe religious beliefs. no, no. about what? the labour movement. >> there are many, many people in movement. i speak in the labour movement. i speak from experience who are supportive of the palestinian cause and have joined these protests. so of course we should be compassionate about any jew who does feel unsafe. and, you know, we should address that. but actually, there's been no violence on these marches. if

there has been, i haven't seen it , and actually, the vast it, and actually, the vast majority of people who are taking part, including many trade unionists, including some people who i know personally, i've never been on one of these marches, by the way, but i know people who have been and considering the numbers that they've drawn, the arrests have been minimal and as i say, i don't think so far as i've seen, there's been any violence at all. so to me, to say they should be banned is , i think, should be banned is, i think, completely undemocratic and wrong. taken wrong. and he's taken a sledgehammer to crack the proverbial walnut. we proverbial walnut. either we believe in freedom to protest or we don't. what we can't do is say, well, we only believe in freedom to protest. if the protest accords with my particular view or if i feel after a few weeks, the protesters have made their point . it's not for you with respect to say, well, the protesters have already now made their point. they should be banned from marching future. it's from marching in future. it's for protesters to decide for the protesters to decide whether they've made for the protesters to decide whetipoint, they've made for the protesters to decide whetipoint, provided/e made for the protesters to decide whetipoint, provided the|ade their point, provided the protests remain peaceful, which i been , then

i think they have been, then i absolutely defend the right of people to continue protesting, regardless of whether people support message in the support the message in the protest or people chanting is anti—semitic and it has been heard many times. >> it is a deliberate incitement to violence, and they do it because they think white people don't speak arabic. that is why they shout. that's why they've stopped shouting from the river to sea, and they've kept to the sea, and they've kept shouting it is shouting that it is unacceptable. you were unacceptable. you, if you were marching street singing marching down the street singing nazi songs about jews, you would be arrested. yeah, and why is this? >> sure. and i've got no problem with this. >> this is my problem. you say there arrests. there haven't been many arrests. that's the police that's partly because the police are in a really sticky situation. they have the situation. they don't have the numbers people to numbers to arrest people to potentially numbers to arrest people to potentiallthey don't situation. they don't necessarily know what they're looking no problem . looking for. i have no problem. you know, you heard a police officer clumsily say, officer rather clumsily say, oh, you're man. you're obviously a jewish man. you're clearly jewish you're very clearly a jewish man. that's a bit of man. and that's caused a bit of a you the a ruckus because if you say the wrong it causes a bit of wrong thing, it causes a bit of a storm. have problem with a storm. i have no problem with people arrested, benedict. people being arrested, benedict. >> an >> where they've committed an arrestable course arrestable offence. of course they be arrested and

they should be arrested and carted problem carted off. i've got no problem with at what you with that at all. but what you can't is tar the entire can't do is tar the entire protest that protest and everybody on that protest and everybody on that protest particular protest with that particular brush of being an extremist. i went on an anti—iraq war march back in 2003, and i look around and, you know, 50 yards behind me, someone had a banner of osama bin laden . okay. now there osama bin laden. okay. now there were hundreds of thousands of people on that march. the small minority of people who may have had sympathy with osama bin laden were not representative of most people on that march who were ordinary people and trade unionists and fellow members of the labour party. >> so you say anything then >> so did you say anything then to that that that banner, to that fellow that that banner, it was 50 back and it was it was 50 yards back and there hundreds people in there were hundreds of people in between. >> point, the point that >> but the point, the point that i'm what's logic? i'm making is what's the logic? the position? the logic of your position? >> ethnic minority, >> an entire ethnic minority, the integrated ethnic the largest integrated ethnic minority country. minority in this country. >> are you saying >> so are you are you saying then, the marches should be then, that the marches should be banned simply because a minority of extremists and it is a minority? let's be clear about that. are peddling a particular

message of hate, which i don't contest that some of them undoubtedly have been a small minority, but are you saying that all of the marches should be banned? so you've got this. you've got this war raging in the middle east. whatever side people take on it, it's a an appalling conflict which has resulted in massive loss of life. and people are intensely passionate about it on either side of the debate. and what you're saying that people who you're saying is that people who feel passionate about it in london on the pro—palestine side, no longer be able side, should no longer be able to march because a handful of people within their ranks have peddled message. peddled a hateful message. that's argument. any that's that's your argument. any march, that british march, that means that british citizens walk go march, that means that british citizertheir walk go march, that means that british citizertheir daily'alk go march, that means that british citizertheir daily lives go march, that means that british citizertheir daily lives in go march, that means that british citizertheir daily lives in their about their daily lives in their own capital city on account of their religion or ethnicity , their religion or ethnicity, which this gentleman clearly could not because he was threatened with arrest. >> unacceptable. >> no, that was unacceptable. >> no, that was unacceptable. >> that was a clumsy >> hold on. that was a clumsy interaction a police interaction with a police officer was trying to officer who was trying to head officer who was trying to head off potential flashpoint. off a potential flashpoint. now this is not first incident this is not the first incident of people being bundled of jewish people being bundled away with away or people with counter—protest signs or anything is not the anything like it is not the first anything like it is not the firs and actually

anything like it is not the firsand actually had anything like it is not the firs and actually had the >> and actually we had the labour going to the labour party going to the speaker house commons speaker of the house of commons suggesting members suggesting that members were being violence, suggesting that members were beinthings violence, suggesting that members were beinthings were violence, suggesting that members were beinthings were being/iolence, suggesting that members were beinthings were being pushed, that things were being pushed through people's letterbox is actually that actually to suggest that just because broken out actually to suggest that just becémob broken out actually to suggest that just becémob it'siroken out actually to suggest that just becémob it's allen out actually to suggest that just becé mob it's all fine. t into mob rule, it's all fine. no, about the no, we're talking about the threat we're threat of violence. we're talking threat of talking about the threat of intimidation. that is intimidation. and that is ongoing. that is unacceptable. >> so you can't march >> so you can't ban a march because you're worried that somebody point on somebody might at some point on it, violence because if it, threaten violence because if that were the case, then you would frankly never hold marches because capacity on because there's the capacity on any march idiot to turn any march for some idiot to turn violent at the end of the day. >> you're talking about an >> no, you're talking about an individual potentially turning >> no, you're talking about an individu and »tentially turning >> no, you're talking about an individu and you ially turning >> no, you're talking about an individu and you keepturning >> no, you're talking about an individu and you keep on|ing >> no, you're talking about an individu and you keep on also violent. and you keep on also saying minority. it saying it's a small minority. it is sizeable enough minority is a sizeable enough minority for police to clearly feel for the police to clearly feel very this. very concerned about this. >> sizeable minority >> well, a sizeable minority what sizeable minority what and the sizeable minority are doing. what are they? are they threatening violence against sizeable against jews? a sizeable minority? carrying out minority? are they carrying out violence the violence against jews from the river to the sea is very clear demonstration talking about genocide , in my opinion, yes. genocide, in my opinion, yes. >> that is threat of violence. >> that is a threat of violence. >> that is a threat of violence. >> if you see those marches. and although one, although i haven't joined one, i was central london once and

was in central london once and saw one go past, i maintained, because people who have because i know people who have been on them. there's lots of people labour movement people from the labour movement and movement and and the trade union movement and from but not from the left, but not exclusively the left. the exclusively from the left. the vast majority of people are peaceful. vast majority peaceful. the vast majority of people would have no truck with any form of anti—semitism and would challenge it. and while i accept that there are a small number of people who are using it peddle extremism, i don't it to peddle extremism, i don't doubt it. the key thing that the police do is to arrest police must do is to arrest people who are inciting violence or threatening violence , and to or threatening violence, and to accept the fact that the vast majority are not, that those small minority are not reflective of the vast majority, because otherwise we're into a situation where we say , right, situation where we say, right, we're going to ban this protest because of a few people who are who are peddling extremism within sends within it. that then sends a green light to people to say, well, if you ever want to get a protest marched in a protest bandin protest marched in a protest band in the future, just turn up, a few messages of up, shout a few messages of hate, pressure will hate, and then the pressure will be police and local be on the police and the local authority. police do seem to be

>> but the police do seem to be trying to. >> either we believe in freedom to protest or we don't. >> police do seem to be >> but the police do seem to be trying to arrest fella. trying to arrest that fella. i think i've got a clip of it as well. i think is the second well. i think this is the second time it's happened. now, that fella video fella have i got this video where he's showing he has a hamas, terrorist, banner or hamas, a terrorist, banner or thing. i you now? thing. can i show you that now? yeah. can we see this? so this is you've seen this before ? is you've seen this before? actually, he was arrested, and this a similar this apparently is a similar incident happened before, and it concerns me this fella just has a banner, and he basically says that hamas a terrorist. and i've seen him. i mean, that is a statement of facts, by the way. but i've seen people jostling statement of facts, by the way. but itryingzn people jostling statement of facts, by the way. but itrying to people jostling statement of facts, by the way. but itrying to get)le jostling statement of facts, by the way. but itrying to get)le jostlihim. him, trying to get hold of him. he's had to be pulled away for his own safety. so there's something not quite right there when you can't even make a statement of fact, like that without subject to without being subject to potential without being subject to pot absolutely. i completely >> absolutely. i completely defend the right of that person. and hamas terrorists , and i and hamas are terrorists, and i completely defend the of completely defend the right of that to organise a that person to organise a counter demonstration, even if he's only person on it. and he's the only person on it. and as long as he's acting within the law he's not threatening

the law and he's not threatening violence which he violence himself, which he clearly support his clearly wasn't, i support his right his message right to display his message that a terrorist. right to display his message tha and a terrorist. right to display his message tha and i a terrorist. right to display his message tha and i thinkerrorist. right to display his message tha and i think they st. right to display his message tha and i think they keep trying >> and i think they keep trying to arrest then lot of to arrest him. and then a lot of the they trying to the protesters, they trying to beat fella off, they beat the fella off, they shouldn't arrested. beat the fella off, they sho him.t arrested. beat the fella off, they sho him. it's arrested. beat the fella off, they sho him. it's wrong,ed. beat the fella off, they sho him. it's wrong, but there beat the fella off, they sho t00|. it's wrong, but there beat the fella off, they sho too manyrvrong, but there beat the fella off, they sho too many people but there beat the fella off, they sho too many people at there beat the fella off, they sho too many people at the 'e are too many people at the moment who like to make great play moment who like to make great play speech, but are play of free speech, but are currently certain currently exhibiting a certain amount you amount of selectiveness they you know, they believe in free speech up to a point and freedom to protest a point. and to protest up to a point. and either believe in it or you don't. >> what do you make to it? a long story short, the met police have sorry, they're have said, sorry, they're saying it's used it's they shouldn't have used this i know this time. openly jewish. i know is that offensive? this day is that offensive? in this day and someone's wearing and age, if someone's wearing a religious symbol and that makes you follows you realise that someone follows a religious , set of a certain religious, set of beliefs, that offensive? beliefs, is that offensive? anyway, police anyway, the police have apologised for saying that, and they've also, well, can read they've also, well, you can read it actually on your screen. they say poor choice of say it was a poor choice of decision to talk about arresting him, etc. anyway, what do him, etc, etc. anyway, what do you make to it all? i love some of your responses to that after the break, but i want to ask you as well about do you care where

your food originates do your food originates from? do your food originates from? do you best to go and buy you try your best to go and buy british? would you

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry tall. hi there. i'm michelle dewberry tall . 7:00. the political tall. 7:00. the political commentator benedict spence and trade unionist and author paul embery alongside me. you're not quite divided on that last topic, anne says these pro—palestine marches should be banned.the pro—palestine marches should be banned. the reason, she says, is that there's barely any arrests is because there is two tiered policing, happening at these events, edward says you're spot on. benedict british jews should not be treated like this , max not be treated like this, max says. but, what was that police officer supposed to say ? he officer supposed to say? he says, the jewish chap may well have been may well have been waving a red rag and standing in front of a bull. he knew what he was doing, and he did it on purpose. but mark, what was he doing? was just out for a doing? he was just out for a walk and the this is

walk. and this is the this is the are we seriously the point. are we seriously suggesting if an individual suggesting that if an individual who be just who happens to be jewish just goes a walk , that that goes out for a walk, that that isindeed goes out for a walk, that that is indeed like what you're saying, to a bull? saying, a red rag to a bull? surely wrong, isn't it? surely that's wrong, isn't it? get touch and tell anyway. get in touch and tell me anyway. look, ask you this. look, let me ask you this. there's been an investigation into in this into food labelling in this country and the amount of foods that so—called that are labelled with so—called made labels. and made in britain labels. and actually, you dig into it, actually, when you dig into it, they actually primarily made, often ingredients . for often with ingredients. for example, it'll be a meat pie that perhaps has been assembled in a production line in britain. but the key meat ingredient, etc. comes from wherever, how much do you think people care about this by in britain thing ? about this by in britain thing? >> i care a lot about it. i don't know how much the average person do you? i do, i feel very strongly that british farmers actually primarily actually should be primarily unless, want unless, you know, i want a specific item that is almost certainly going to originate from overseas. don't expect from overseas. i don't expect the farmer to the average british farmer to have in december, have a pineapple in december, for but actually, you for example. but actually, you know, or actually, know, more or less actually, i do that, know , your do feel that, you know, your economy relies on some

economy sort of relies on some very things , energies we very basic things, energies we touched on earlier. but also food is an essential food production is an essential part of that. >> so you would deliberately hunt got made in britain. >> i do and i'm i, i go further than that. i try to avoid supermarkets where i go supermarkets where i can, i go to markets, go to butchers, i to markets, i go to butchers, i go to greengrocers, i go to stuff actually i can. stuff where actually i can. you've got a few quid you've obviously got a few quid then i go to then because to go to, i go to markets and stuff that. markets and stuff like that. >> expensive. >> it's expensive. >> it's expensive. >> it's expensive. >> i happy less food >> i am happy to eat less food and pay more for it. i think that that's a perfectly happy trade know, it always trade off. you know, it always being aren't we, this being told, aren't we, that this is nation and everybody is an obese nation and everybody has huge fine. i eat has huge bmis? fine. i eat slightly food than slightly less food than i might otherwise do and i pay a little bit more for it. and quality, not to not quantity. well, i'm fine to do know that do that because i know that it's going british farmer. going to a british farmer. i know that money is going know that that money is going somewhere i sort somewhere that i can sort of think about tangibly, and it's being the economy, being kept in the economy, whereas, know, okay, you're whereas, you know, okay, you're cutting you're going cutting corners, you're going to the paying the supermarket, you're paying less. know about the less. you don't know about the welfare you don't welfare of the animal. you don't necessarily say, necessarily as you say, you don't know what country it's going don't think that's going to. i don't think that's necessarily understand, necessarily i understand, i perhaps other

perhaps can afford it. other people, they've people, you know, they've got different it's people, you know, they've got diffifoi’tl it's people, you know, they've got diffifor everybody. it's people, you know, they've got diffifor everybody. maybet's people, you know, they've got diffifor everybody. maybe not not for everybody. maybe not everybody the to do everybody has the time to do that. get it. but for me that. fine, i get it. but for me it's an important thing. >> you be surprised to >> paul, you may be surprised to hear i'm not hear me say it, but i'm not a massive fan these sort of buy massive fan of these sort of buy british campaigns. i think, you know, and you have a know, you do it and you have a bit of a burst, then it kind bit of a burst, but then it kind of fizzles out after a while. because the truth is that people, a cost because the truth is that pe living a cost because the truth is that pe living crisis, a cost because the truth is that pe living crisis, people a cost because the truth is that pe living crisis, people just cost of living crisis, people just want for the lowest want the products for the lowest possible and, know, possible price. and, you know, while millionaire like while millionaire guys like benedict obviously to benedict can obviously afford to buy waitrose or buy british waitrose or whatever, up—market, i don't know, whatever market is know, whatever the market is that you go to, look for, for a lot of people it's a really difficult time. they're struggling to make ends meet and i think while as a sentiment, they would like to be able to say, well, yeah, of course i'm going to support british industry british farmers. industry and british farmers. that's something that i'm going to do, their financial constraints upon them often make it impossible to do that. and they have to go for the cheapest product. thing why product. the real thing is, why are so expensive are our products so expensive anyway? are we so anyway? why are we so uncomfortable as a nation in the

international marketplace? i think there's all sorts of reasons for that, one of which i think goes back to the original conversation we were having about we're obsessed with financial rather than financial services rather than the real economy, where goods financial services rather than the made conomy, where goods financial services rather than the made and my, where goods financial services rather than the made and wealth ere goods financial services rather than the made and wealth ise goods financial services rather than the made and wealth is created, are made and wealth is created, and, we're we've and, you know, we're we've always for the last 40 years at least, had, in my view, an overvalued pound, which has made our goods uncompetitive in the international marketplace and has imports flood into the has seen imports flood into the country, sorts of reasons as country, all sorts of reasons as to why people are not able to or don't buy british, but as a as a wider strategy, i just don't think it works, frankly, matt said chuckling away said you were chuckling away while i was speaking there. >> you've now got laughing at you. you've now got to disclose what you were laughing at. >> you. it's i've to say, >> you. it's i've got to say, right, course, listen right, i do, of course, listen very to what these chaps right, i do, of course, listen very side to what these chaps right, i do, of course, listen very side of what these chaps right, i do, of course, listen very side of met these chaps right, i do, of course, listen very side of me are ese chaps right, i do, of course, listen very side of me are saying.ps either side of me are saying. but i also listen to what you guys home are saying. so guys at home are saying. so i'm on looking your on this website looking at your comments, looking comments, and i'm also looking at emails and at your emails as well. and sometimes some you do write sometimes some of you do write in that does make me in stuff that does make me chuckle, often not fit chuckle, but it's often not fit for broadcast, i have to say, so

i won't be repeating that one wasn't. thank you very much, matt says if i insisted on only buying british, i'd have no possessions and very limited food. my advice is food. he says my advice is buy italian in style. okay, italian and live in style. okay, who else is this? lynn says i would like all supermarkets to have a british food section because she wants to support british farmers. but what do you think then? because if i saw a meat pie that said made in britain, i would just assume that was that was that that was me, that was british. i wouldn't assume that what meant they'd a what they meant was they'd put a bit pastry around it, i don't bit of pastry around it, i don't know, in clacton on or know, in clacton on sea or whatever, therefore it was whatever, and therefore it was british. i think british. so sometimes i think these are a little bit these things are a little bit misleading. gareth says i try my best support my local best to always support my local butcher. christine said i'll definitely be, prepared to pay more money because i want to support british farmers and manufacturers . alan says i will manufacturers. alan says i will always do my best to buy british food to help the farmers, but the problem is everybody wants cheap, cheap, cheap and not quality. and he says, and also, please, you say that this please, can you say that this government very little to government does very little to support farmers ? keep

support british farmers? keep your thoughts coming in after the break. right. i want ask the break. right. i want to ask you simple question. do you a very simple question. do you a very simple question. do you it's poor parenting to you think it's poor parenting to give a three year old a smartphone and to let children as young as five use social media? i do, but apparently i'm oversimplifying things. am i?

hello there. michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, benedict, spence and paul m braverman. and it's friday. so drew brees having opens. you know the drill. cheers, everybody. happy weekend to we're all piling around. to you. we're all piling around. so was it jen's house afterwards for a takeaway. and a film. >> we just need to get her a dress bring a bottle and an lp. she didn't reply. >> i messaged her back on the forum and i said, it sounds forum and i said, it all sounds good. we'll come round. she didn't tell us where didn't reply and tell us where she think that's. i think she was. i think that's. i think that means invited. that means we're not invited. >> basically, the >> basically, people in the gallery have got their glad rags

on. all bombing. no, on. they're all bombing. no, we're ready. we're all ready. >> times are tight. need >> yes, times are tight. we need free wherever can free takeaways wherever we can get anyway. let me get them anyway. look, let me tell you about this story. i think absolutely think it's absolutely absurd. a report today a quarter report out today says a quarter of between 5 and of children aged between 5 and 7, are using social media. and get this apparently get this right, apparently children three have children as young as three have smartphones. i think this is lazy parenting, right? and i put a tweet up to that effect, lord jim bethnal, he replied to my tweet and basically said i was, parent shaming and that i was wrong, that lazy parenting is an easy cop out as pet shaming all these people. and apparently this is a complicated issue. and parents are begging for help. what is complicated? oh, and then started talking to me then he started talking to me about a sales strategy at about a sales strategy aimed at these children. there was not a sales strategy aimed at three year olds. as a marketing strategy. decision strategy. the sales decision comes adult , strategy. the sales decision comes adult, and i comes from the adult, and i don't think it's complicated to say that if you're an adult buying a smartphone three buying a smartphone for three year you probably need to year old, you probably need to look mirror and question year old, you probably need to look parenting.'or and question your parenting. >> was going say, if >> well, i was going to say, if you're being successfully

pressured by your three year old, some serious old, then there are some serious questions good point questions that have good point about your your willpower. in general. think , you we general. i think, you know, we had issue when it had this issue before when it came like video games came to things like video games and had tv. you it's and we had tv. you know, it's too much time bad for too much screen time bad for children, it is. children, demonstrably it is. but phones are significantly worse for people than the television and, you television ever was. and, you know, perhaps, video know, perhaps, you know, video games the middle, games somewhere in the middle, but something like, but actually something like, what actually, the what was it? cbbc actually, the relatively compared relatively is harmless compared to quite to something that is quite literally designed stimulate literally designed to stimulate dopamine time dopamine hits time after time after time. it is addictive. that's what it's for. it's why the founders of the organisation that made the iphone do not let their children have iphones. it's why social media is banned in china, for example, unless it goes through very stringent tests so that it isn't addictive for children. and there are limits much children limits on how much time children can social media. now, can spend on social media. now, a people might say that's a lot of people might say that's very but very draconian. maybe it is, but there why. and there are reasons why. and i think a really damaging think it's a really damaging thing outsource your thing to outsource your parenting. it's parenting. i understand it's very difficult. i'm speaking of somebody have somebody who does not have children. that it children. i understand that it is difficult, is an incredibly difficult, time consuming, tiring thing, but

surely to better surely there has to be a better way than going out and buying an expensive piece of addictive technology , giving it your technology, giving it to your child that yet, you child that has not yet, you know, the capacity to know, developed the capacity to think critically for itself and 90, think critically for itself and go, go. that'll make go, there you go. that'll make my easier. my life easier. >> paul. >> indeed, paul. >> indeed, paul. >> have a cousin who >> yeah, i have a cousin who lives china and he said that lives in china and he said that they, kids there are only allowed to use their smartphones for 45 minutes a day, and then it automatically cuts and it automatically cuts off. and i don't but it don't know exactly how, but it automatically off. they automatically cuts off. they can't more than 45 minutes a can't do more than 45 minutes a day, which is entirely day, which i think is entirely sensible. i mean, have to say, sensible. i mean, i have to say, i've around to the view i've come around to the view that think smartphones that i think smartphones for under banned. under 16 should be banned. i really do think that that's the that's the right thing to do. >> do need to ban them? >> why do you need to ban them? >> why do you need to ban them? >> well, i just think >> well, because i just think we're learning we we're only learning now and we will the will continue to learn as the months years unfold. the months and years unfold. the damage kids being hooked up damage that kids being hooked up to a screen for, in some cases, say no to your kid. >> if your kid's pestering you, give me this, give me this, then no, i know that and you know that. >> but the truth is that lots of kids are doing it regardless.

>> they're buying >> now they're not buying smartphones regardless the smartphones, regardless of the parent. do get £1,000 from >> where do they get £1,000 from what saying that and what i'm saying is that you and l, what i'm saying is that you and i, may regulate it i, as parents may regulate it strictly, and lots of parents do. >> fair enough. but the truth is that lots of parents don't. and we've got kids, youngsters , we've got kids, youngsters, teenagers who are looking at these things and we don't know what they're looking at because they're so technologically advanced kids now, so than advanced kids now, more so than the in lots of cases. the parents in lots of cases. i've kids who are more i've got two kids who are more technical technologically technical and technologically advanced me comes advanced than me when it comes to smartphones and apps and stuff, they're looking at stuff, and they're looking at stuff, and they're looking at stuff, in many cases they'll stuff, and in many cases they'll be pornography or violence. >> and it makes me sad, explicit material. >> and i think we're ruining people's childhoods and we're stripping the innocence from people. and i don't think we've got a grip on this issue as a society soon enough. and it's almost now trying to shut the stable door after the has stable door after the horse has bolted. but they should be banned 16. i'm really banned for under 16. i'm really firm that view. do you agree firm in that view. do you agree with that? >> yeah, i think especially actually in actually since the wars in ukraine and the second in ukraine and the second one in gaza i don't think

gaza started, i don't think a lot parents are aware of the lot of parents are aware of the amount of violent stuff that is actually right amount of violent stuff that is actuejust right amount of violent stuff that is actuejust for right amount of violent stuff that is actuejust for anybody1t now, just there for anybody to see. but come on, parents, >> i know, but come on, parents, i don't think we can. >> i mean, trust me, right? i'm not dewberry when not some saint dewberry when it comes parenting. hard comes to parenting. it's hard yards, you. yards, i can tell you. especially got especially if you've got multiple get it, but multiple children. i get it, but come can't just his come on, we can't just say his parents. we're not aware of what's internet. need what's on the internet. we need to our job to to be aware ourjob is to protect children and saying no to on occasion is to our children on occasion is a basics of parenting, it? basics of parenting, isn't it? one viewers has got in one of my viewers has got in touch michel, never one of my viewers has got in touch smartphones l, never one of my viewers has got in touch smartphones just ver one of my viewers has got in touch smartphones just give you mind. smartphones just give you kids fags, beer and puberty blockers. sorted . thank blockers. and they sorted. thank you much, gents. thank you very much, gents. thank you. farage . farage up next, tonight's. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hi there and welcome to the latest update from the met office for gb news skies clearing overnight . most places clearing overnight. most places are fine as we start the weekend with high pressure in charge. that high pressure moving in from the west so still a bit of

a chilly breeze from the north. but as high pressure moves in skies are going to clear, winds are going to ease and under lengthy clear skies and with light winds, temperatures will fall away. a few mr fog patches possible for the likes of northern ireland and some frosty conditions as we begin the weekend. so gardeners beware. temperatures in urban areas 3 to 5 celsius, but as low as minus three for the likes of northern ireland, northwest england and north wales . temperatures, north wales. temperatures, though through saturday morning will quickly rise because of the widespread sunny skies and it stays sunny towards the south and the west for much of the afternoon. however, it tends to turn cloudier further north, with some outbreaks of light rain moving into northern scotland, where it will be fairly chilly and we've still got that breeze down the north sea coast, making it feel on the cool side, warm in the sunshine elsewhere and another sunny day to come for northern ireland. parts of southwest scotland, west wales and southwest

england. on sunday. bright skies also into the south—east. elsewhere, increasingly low cloud and some patchy rain and drizzle for northern england and eastern scotland . monday brings eastern scotland. monday brings further cloudy skies for many, with some patchy rain, but it stays relatively. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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union directorjan mcvarish, political commentator chloe dobbs. she's on the show for the second time. we've got self—made millionaire , successful millionaire, successful businesswoman kate stewart and reggae star levi roos. but first, let's go to the . news. first, let's go to the. news. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . wenzler in the gb newsroom. first, some breaking news. us media is reporting that a man has set himself on fire outside the courthouse in new york, where former us president donald trump's hush money trial is underway. the person on fire received medical attention and was taken from the area. the circumstance of the fire was unclear. we will bring you more as we get it. the uk and western allies are calling for de—escalation in the middle east, after reports that israel launched air strikes against iran, state media says three drones were shot down with

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