essentially there wasn't a prayer room. the judge, ladies and gents , said no. it's great and gents, said no. it's great to see common sense prevail. isn't it.7 an absolute mayhem in brussels as police attempted to close down the national conservatives event, while none other than nigel farage was on the stage. why because the mayor ordered it. because guess what.7 everybody brace yourself. the speakers have the audacity. are you ready to be on the right.7 goodness me. what on earth is that? the issue with being on the political right? your thoughts on that? and gordon ramsay has managed to get a load of squatters out of his unoccupied pub. they said that they were in there for the benefit of the community. shut up. i'm asking you, should squatters be allowed to occupy empty property? one of my panel says yes , the other says no. so says yes, the other says no. so what says you ? and last but not what says you? and last but not least, the national trust. is it just me or do they seem to be losing the plot? i've got all

that to come and more before seven. but before we get stuck in, let's cross live for tonight. 6:00 news with polly middlehurst. >> well, our top story from gb news tonight is that downing street says the attempt by police in brussels to shut down the national conservatism conference is extremely disturbing. officers arrived while gb news presenter nigel farage was addressing the event, giving everyone 15 minutes to leave the venue. it's understood the order came from the local brussels mayor, emir kir, in a move he said was to guarantee pubuc move he said was to guarantee public safety. belgium's prime minister has within the last half hour described today's events as unacceptable and said banning political meetings is unconstitutional. the former home secretary suella braverman, spoke to nigel farage after her own speech at conference.

>> thankfully you and i got to make our speeches in favour of controlling our borders and protecting our communities amongst like minded democrats. many of us there are democratically elected politicians. many of us are leaders in our field, academics, thinkers , writers. and it's thinkers, writers. and it's frankly staggering. the mayor of brussels has deployed his thought police to cancel what is a peaceful event , focused on how a peaceful event, focused on how we can better represent the millions of people around the european continent? >> well, as you can imagine , >> well, as you can imagine, this is a fast moving story that's got a lot of people hot under the collar today in brussels and on this side of the water, the national conservatism, think tank website has said today we thank the belgian prime minister for his unequivocal support. let me just read you what alexander de croo said . he said what happened at said. he said what happened at claridge's today is unacceptable. municipal autonomy is a cornerstone of our democracy. can never democracy. but can never overrule the belgian constitution, guaranteeing the

freedom of speech and peaceful assembly. since 1830, he says, banning political meetings is unconstitutional. full stop , no unconstitutional. full stop, no doubt. lots more happening on that story throughout the rest of the evening here on gb news. well, labour's west keating poked fun at suella braverman's absence from the commons today by honourable member for fareham, who couldn't be here today with us, mr deputy speaken today with us, mr deputy speaker, because she's currently in brussels surrounded by the police who are trying to shut down event she's attending down the event she's attending with right fanatics with some far right fanatics with some far right fanatics with whom she has much in common, well away from events in brussels. the rwanda bill is back in the house of lords tonight after mps rejected last night a series of amendments they'd suggested with some conservatives calling the proposals ridiculous. however, the lords are maintaining their standoff with the government on its flagship migration policy. if you're watching on television these live pictures coming to us from the upper chamber, they're

demanding rishi sunak's deportation plan ensures due regard, they say, for human rights and modern slavery concerns. downing street has responded to the lords, saying it's hoping to clear the final hurdle this week and get flights off the ground within weeks. but labour has insisted the scheme is doomed to fail. labour has insisted the scheme is doomed to fail . policing is doomed to fail. policing minister chris philp says new powers for chief constables to sack rogue officers will root out those unfit to wear the badge. out those unfit to wear the badge . under the new powers, badge. under the new powers, chief constables will be put in charge of misconduct hearings, making it much easier to remove officers in their own force who are found guilty. the changes, which come into force next month, follows a review into police dismissals after the conviction of david carrick for multiple sex offences while serving as a police officer . serving as a police officer. departures and arrivals at birmingham airport were temporarily halted today after reports of a suspicious device on an air lingus flight to

belfast. we've since heard that , belfast. we've since heard that, in fact, the airport has now fully reopened, but the crew made the discovery on the aircraft and returned having already taken off. the airport has told us now that customers who are due to travel can now check in as normal. the education secretary has said a court ruling dismissing a muslim student's challenge against her school prayer ban now gives school prayer ban now gives school heads confidence in making the right decision to prioritise top difference between those of different faiths. the student had argued that a no prayer ritual policy at a school in north london was discriminatory, but the headteacher argued schools shouldn't be forced to change their approach because a child decided it was something they didn't like. the judge upheld the school's position, saying there was a rational connection between the school's inclusivity, social cohesion and its prayer policy. equalities minister kemi badenoch also said the ruling was a victory against

activists trying to subvert pubuc activists trying to subvert public institutions . the health public institutions. the health secretary, victoria atkins, has denied that a ban on tobacco and vape sales will cause a black market boom. if you're watching on tv, let's take a look inside the comments where the tobacco and vapes bill is being brought before mps for the first time. full discussion going on there. if it becomes law, it would be an offence to sell tobacco products to anyone born after the 1st of january 2009. and just lastly, you've heard of april showers. but in dubai, the desert cities , usually blue desert cities, usually blue skies, have been hit by awful rain. in fact, thunderstorms , rain. in fact, thunderstorms, storms, and the authorities have told people to just stay at home. pictures coming in to us show cars swamped with water waves buffeting traffic, roads brought to a standstill and dubai airport saying it's temporarily diverting flights. this evening until those weather conditions improve. but forecasters are saying another wave of unstable weather is on the way. that's the news for the

latest stories. do sign up to gb news alerts, scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. carmelites . carmelites. >> thank you very much for that, polly. i'm michelle dewberry, keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. welcome my panel alongside me for the ride. the conservative candidate for finchley and golders green, alex dean. and the author and political organiser, james schneider. good evening to both of you gents. you're very welcome. and also, you know the drill on this program. it's very much guys as well. much about you guys as well. what's your mind tonight? what's on your mind tonight? there's lots i want to to there's lots i want to talk to you about. we'll come into that massive ruling just a massive legal ruling in just a second. when comes to that second. when it comes to that school muslim students. school and the muslim students. right to prayer, we'll come on to that one worry nots. but i also want to talk to you about what on earth's been going on in brussels. seen the brussels. have you seen that the police called while nigel police being called while nigel farage the stage? is farage was on the stage? what is this issue with people having the to be the right the audacity to be on the right of politics? people get very hot

under the collar, don't they? so i about that. the i want to talk about that. the smirking also smirking stuff as well. also squatters. do think they squatters. do you think they should able to basically should be able to basically occupy property, occupy empty property, commercial property or not? and if i can squeeze it in because there's a lot to get through tonight. national trust, are they losing the plot, getting in touch with the usual touch with me all the usual ways, also on the website as ways, but also on the website as well. gbnews.com/yoursay but a big story today, and this is a really big deal. actually, it's been victory all been called a victory for all schools. the which schools. this was the case which saw muslim pupil and her mum saw a muslim pupil and her mum actually school to court , actually take a school to court, the michaela school in london. she basically saying she was she was basically saying she was essentially being discriminated against because she wasn't given the opportunity to pray during the opportunity to pray during the day and a court the school day and a high court judge now has basically ruled that school was acting in that the school was acting in a manner that was lawful and she was not being discriminated against. this is a big case of this because it had gone the other way. alex, the ramifications for this could have been potentially quite huge. that's right. >> but i actually think >> but i don't actually think this debate or a judgement

this is a debate or a judgement about prayer . i this is a debate or a judgement about prayer. i think it's a debate than a judgement about schools being able decide to schools being able to decide to decide own rules, which is decide their own rules, which is a which i completely a principle which i completely support. judgement the support. the judgement is to the extent that i've been able to digest. it is excellent, and it makes the point that the parents and concerned and the child concerned impliedly accepted the school's secular position when they , secular position when they, dunng secular position when they, during the course of the admission process and drawn as they were explicitly, as they say to this school, because it was strict and the school says this is not a school where people pray . and the head people pray. and the head teacher, stranger to the teacher, no stranger to the headunes teacher, no stranger to the headlines herself, has made it clear this is not about persecuting some minority in the school. indeed, as it happens, she makes the point. it's a muslim majority school. it's the point about having the same rules for everybody, minority point about having the same rule majority ybody, minority point about having the same rule majority ybody, m the ity point about having the same rule majority ybody, m the point and majority alike. so the point is, harm done to your rights is, any harm done to your rights is, any harm done to your rights is legitimate and proportionate to achieving the legitimate aims of the school, which is education and fairness to all pupils. and i think it's the right decision before i bring you in, james, let's just

listen. >> the headteacher mentioned there katharine birbalsingh she was out. this is her was speaking out. this is her earlier this listen to earlier on this year. listen to what she had to say. >> we all need to recognise that. all of us need to make sacrifices for the betterment of the whole, so that we can all get on, and that schools play such an important part of this. now, obviously, if your school is one where the children roam the corridors and the children do whatever they like during lunch, then i suppose you might choose to have a prayer room and that's fine. you know, i'm not suggesting that all schools shouldn't have a prayer room, but think that if but i do think that if a school's ethos is such and building is such that they cannot have a prayer room, then. >> james, what do you. maxwell so broadly agree with alex on so i broadly agree with alex on the legal front, and this is more to do with, what schools are allowed to decide and if they are deciding it equally for all pupils of, of different faiths, it does seem that the way the school has managed it

implies is isn't hasn't been managed terribly well. both from that clip we just heard and then there's a little bit from the judgement that the child was temporarily expelled from the school or temporarily expelled from the school. suspended? yeah. overturned by yeah. and that was overturned by the, judge. so it seems like the, the judge. so it seems like on the legal front, this is probably going in the right direction, but it suggests that, you know, for people is trying to pray suspension is probably not that she wants suspended for trying to pray. >> she was suspended, one of the accusations was that she'd threatened to stab another pupil. so the two, the two were not. that's completely separate. the two were not. that's what i'm saying. the money linked. >> yeah. so? so anyway, so that's a separate thing just from hearing, the headteacher there, i think there were if your school has a rule that you're a secular school and you basically don't do religion, i think that's absolutely fine. that's up to schools to decide. i think if pupils in that school

wish to, you know, in their prayer in the not the prayer time, sorry, in the, in a break, you know, break between lessons, go into an empty classroom and pray together. that should also be absolutely fine. but no. >> and this is the crux of the point. this is what she's point. so this is what she's saying, so that this saying, alex. so that this headteacher, this is the real crux of this, this girl, crux of this, because this girl, this student was essentially saying, you know, i want to do like i think it's, was it 1:00 or whatever time it is? she wanted to do it during the break. at the time. >> that suits me and in the manner and with manner that suits me and with the that it suits me. the the people that it suits me. the trouble is, course, you don't trouble is, of course, you don't know i was praying during know if i was praying during your introduction to my. as happens, wasn't, but might happens, i wasn't, but i might have silently away have been silently praying away and harm. one reads and doing no harm. one reads between here bit and between the lines here a bit and thinks, once you start the thinks, yeah, once you start the group children praying in the group of children praying in the square muslim majority square in muslim majority school, a group them school, once a group of them start who start praying are those who don't bad muslims and don't join in bad muslims and are who don't join in are those who don't join in because they're not muslims, then from activity. then excluded from the activity. and school and you can see why the school is to maintain

is trying to maintain a universal and trying to universal rule and trying to keep community cohesion together by prayers for by saying no prayers for everyone. i note in the everyone. i note that in the judgement, it was said by the judgement, it was said by the judge prior this attempt judge that prior to this attempt to prayer in school, to legitimise prayer in school, the that they the child knew that they couldn't and the child knew that they couldn save and the child knew that they couldn save their and the child knew that they couldnsave their prayers the child knew that they couldn save their prayers and would save up their prayers and do at home. well, they do it at home. well, they already knew that it was that they supposed to pray in they weren't supposed to pray in school. what they signed school. that's what they signed up applied. school. that's what they signed up indeed. applied. school. that's what they signed up indeed. and applied. school. that's what they signed up indeed. and oneplied. school. that's what they signed up indeed. and one ofad. school. that's what they signed up indeed. and one of the things >> indeed. and one of the things actually, i find quite actually, that i find quite interesting head interesting is she the head teacher talking you teacher she's talking about, you know, you've got faith know, if you've got faith schools or whatever, then ultimately as a school ultimately you as a school should the right not to should have the right not to have things like the black group, hindu group, the group, the hindu group, the muslim the lgbt group, muslim group, the lgbt group, etc, herself etc, etc. she prides herself this i've got to this school. i mean, i've got to say, record, i think say, for the record, i think this like an absolutely this sounds like an absolutely fabulous i be fabulous school. i would be absolutely if child absolutely delighted if my child went school. it's rated went to this school. it's rated outstanding ofsted all outstanding by ofsted and all the but there has the rest of it, but there has been quite a ramifications to this. catherine, the this. listen to catherine, the head james, some head teacher again. james, some of comments that she's made of the comments that she's made about this support staff right now, they come and see me frightened. >> really scared. >> they're really scared. and gosh, , my goodness,

gosh, last year, my goodness, i mean that that was the worst. it was, i mean, they're they're it's not right that, a headteacher or teachers should be put under that kind of stress because they're just trying to do their jobs. >> it's not right. and if you don't like the rules of the school, don't send your kid there. it's not difficult, is it? >> it.7 >> i it? >> i couldn't hear what she was referring. she she was basically saying under teacher stress. >> teachers, were, hassled . >> yes. teachers, were, hassled. apparently there'd been some apparent death, death apparent death, not death threats, though . bomb threats threats, though. bomb threats made towards this school, teachers being threatened and things like that. >> well, i mean , no school >> well, i mean, no school should get bomb threats or threatened of any sort, and nor should, nor should any, you know, any teachers. we're now starting to talk about things that are , you know, we probably that are, you know, we probably all of us don't know very much about. but i certainly don't know much about the details. but i think that there are there are two things which can separate two things which we can separate out the legal

out here. one is the legal thing, the other is how not thing, and the other is how not to do with the law. but how can you run a school in a way that is that is inclusive within the parameters you've parameters of which you've already you're absolutely already set? you're absolutely right. separate debates, >> there are separate debates, but are also there's an but there are also there's an interesting connection because you're want you're entitled to say, i want to indeed, to test your to do this. indeed, to test your position law. want to be position in law. i want to be able to do this my school. able to do this in my school. the school's entitled to say back in the end, if you don't like it, choose another school. but then you fray at the boundanes but then you fray at the boundaries of what's acceptable in society. and you, you fray it. underpins us as a as it. what underpins us as a as a liberal democracy to say, if i don't get my way, than don't get my way, rather than just the judgement, just accepting the judgement, or rather what rather than just accepting what the headmaster the the headmaster says or what the school going to school rules say, i'm going to threaten and i'm going to threaten you and i'm going to say going to come and do you say i'm going to come and do you harm unless i get way. and harm unless i get my way. and at that matter how that point, no matter how much sympathy had with sympathy i might have had with your take a position or your right to take a position or say want something, say you want to do something, i've no for that at all. >> yeah. of course. i mean, if anyone is saying that they're going to do another person harm, physical mean, that physical harm, etc, i mean, that when lost debate, when you have lost a debate, then start hitting the other

then you start hitting the other person so, i mean, person on the head. so, i mean, i think we can, know, we can i think we can, you know, we can all can agree that. all we can all agree on that. >> i this mother of this >> i think this mother of this pupil got cheek, quite pupil has got a cheek, quite frankly, because she apparently wants a sibling, wants to send a sibling, a second this school second child, to this school come but she come september. but then she also oh, by way, also says, oh, and by the way, apparently issue apparently there's another issue that and that she's not happy with and has sent a letter to has apparently sent a letter to the school. the lawyers of the school. i mean, couldn't make it up mean, you couldn't make it up sometimes, but may not. >> that may not be true. i think it might be again, we don't know. it could be case know. but it could be the case where you've got a parent who likes the school because the school good. rated school is very good. it's rated outstanding , etc, they would outstanding, etc, but they would like of its policy like some aspect of its policy to different. ordinarily and to be different. ordinarily and we in other we see that in other circumstances say, well, circumstances we say, well, that's an engaged parent. that's a thing. it a that's a good thing. it doesn't that she's going to doesn't mean that she's going to get her way. it doesn't mean that going to change the that they're going to change the policy would policy because she would like it. perfectly entitled it. but she's perfectly entitled to school. to say, i like the school. i want part it. but want to be part of it. but i would like this thing to be different. then the school different. and then the school is perfectly entitled is also perfectly entitled to say, but no, say, we've heard you, but no, i might put the emphasis slightly differently. >> parents entitled to >> parents are entitled to

express their views about how things different things might be different at their schools, and as you rightly demonstrates their schools, and as you rightly in emonstrates their schools, and as you rightly in the nstrates their schools, and as you rightly in the schools engagement in the school community but there community to do so. but there is a hypocrisy in saying, i am drawn to this school because of these it these values. i'm drawn to it because to be the because i want it to be the successful strict in the way successful and strict in the way that i insist, at that it is, and now i insist, at the of taking to the point of taking you to court, that you different to court, that you are different to the that things are. and the way that things are. and that, think, bit much. that, i think, is a bit much. >> another key point to that, i think, is a bit much. >> and another key point to that, i think, is a bit much. >> and manyther key point to that, i think, is a bit much. >> and many ofr key point to that, i think, is a bit much. >> and many of youl point to that, i think, is a bit much. >> and many of you atoint to that, i think, is a bit much. >> and many of you at home, this. and many of you at home, you've already started getting in me asking in touch with me and asking me this question. who's this question. michelle, who's paid this? well, the paid for all of this? well, the answer you. and this is answer is you. and this is the, one of the points that katharine birbalsingh the headteacher bnngs birbalsingh the headteacher brings her letter. she brings up in her letter. she actually can it be right actually asks, can it be right for a family to receive £150,000 of taxpayer funded legal aid to bnng of taxpayer funded legal aid to bring a case like this? >> well, i imagine that you would both say that that's a good thing, because you think that this is a very good judgement. and so for £150,000 to this judgement, to have found this judgement, which in direction that which goes in the direction that you is now in law, you want, which is now in law, does seem be a bad does not seem to be a bad spending of money. it's not a spending of money. it's not a spending just spending of money, just when legal spent, isn't legal aid is spent, it isn't only for people that it is

only for the people that it is whose case it is. the purpose is, it's for performing some kind of societal function. and in this case, which is setting out some legal framework that can be then taken forward, that's really the work it's done, rather than for the mother and the daughter who didn't get what after wanted. what they were after wanted. >> anyway. you're a barrister. what think i don't think what do you think i don't think i agree, and the reason i think i agree, and the reason i think i don't agree is that i don't think this was a of law of think this was a point of law of general until the general interest until the parents decided to take their own through the legal pi'ocess. >> process. >> indeed, i think the people would largely have imagined the central point was that headmasters are entitled to certainly framework certainly within the framework of to their of admissions, to govern their own i'm not sure it own schools. so i'm not sure it was a point of general public interest way you imply. interest in the way you imply. but is there's a but moreover, there is there's a broader point here for me, too, which unless you have which is that unless you have unlimited which state unlimited funds, which no state does, decide what does, you have to decide what you resources and does, you have to decide what you legal resources and does, you have to decide what you legal aid resources and does, you have to decide what you legal aid budgetirces and does, you have to decide what you legal aid budgetirces punnd our legal aid budget is no pun intended. already criminally underfunded. and if you were deciding that money goes , deciding where that money goes, in my defending to the in my view, defending to the best ability, people who

best of our ability, people who are accused crimes so as to are accused of crimes so as to ensure have the best ensure they have the best possible in court possible representation in court because are the cases because those are the cases in which people to prison, which people can go to prison, must over cases must take priority over cases like which uncharitably like this, which uncharitably might . described as might be discarded. described as rather frivolous. >> viewers, helen, >> one of my viewers, helen, says, come on, says, michelle, come on, a prayer five minutes a day prayer for five minutes a day dunng prayer for five minutes a day during should be during lunch time should be allowed. but helen, it would be during lunch time should be a|slipperyyut helen, it would be during lunch time should be a|slippery slope .en, it would be during lunch time should be a|slippery slope though,)uld be during lunch time should be a|slippery slope though, because a slippery slope though, because they this , kind of policy they have this, kind of policy where they call it, they break bread. the pupils have bread. all of the pupils have vegetarian meals, they all sit together. all are together. they all are collective during lunch. just collective during lunch. i just want as well. want to read you as well. there's it's really good there's it's a really good statement. could go and look statement. you could go and look it yourselves. says it up yourselves. but she says things we want things like michaela, we want our children live lives of our children to live lives of dignity, they up dignity, whether they end up poor or rich later life. poor or rich later in life. a life of meaning is not about being believe that being rich. we believe that purpose character purpose and moral character matter, and that there is such thing moral truth . we tell thing as moral truth. we tell our kids to be top of the pyramid, and our goal for them isn't to be the richest, or even the most famous, or even the cleverest. is to someone cleverest. it is to be someone who a of moral worth, who lives a life of moral worth, shaped self—sacrifice, shaped by self—sacrifice, vice filled what

shaped by self—sacrifice, vice fille(have, what shaped by self—sacrifice, vice fille(have, and what shaped by self—sacrifice, vice fille(have, and doing what shaped by self—sacrifice, vice fille(have, and doing allvhat shaped by self—sacrifice, vice fille(have, and doing all that they have, and doing all that they have, and doing all that they can to help those who have not. i think it's a really interesting statement that you should all read it, but one of the things that she talks about a lot in this statement is the fact that they have conservative, small c values, and they pride themselves as having that after the break. this is exactly the point that i want to explore, because in brussels, the police are being called try and down an called to try and close down an event was about event that was all about national conservatism. so let's explore this, shall we? why is being of the right, politically such an issue some? see you such an issue for some? see you in two.

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry , and i'm with you till dewberry, and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me. alex dean and james schneider remain. we were just talking about the michaela school just before the break. actually, a couple of you have gotten in touch saying, why

should they? why should have should they? why should we have any kind faith schools at all any kind of faith schools at all anyway? aren't all schools , anyway? why aren't all schools, secular? that would solve a lot of issues , in society, some of of issues, in society, some of you are suggesting . did you did you are suggesting. did you did you are suggesting. did you did you know that suella braverman was one of the essentially like a founding governor of the michaela academy? i did did you know that james? know know that james? did you know that home? i confess, that at home? i confess, actually, did not that, actually, i did not know that, anyway, the michaela academy one of the things that they say is that they're positively embraced small conservative values, and small c conservative values, and they talk about things like gratitude, agency, personal responsibility, the refusal of identity politics, victimhood, a love of country, hard work, kindness , a duty towards others, kindness, a duty towards others, self—sacrifice for the betterment of the whole people, etc. which got me then thinking about said conservative values, because over in brussels , i because over in brussels, i mean, i've got to say, i was watching this live today because the national conservative conference was taking place. now this conference, essentially, they had, their venue cancelled

twice. so there was now on their third venue attempt today and long story short, the mayor of brussels decided that he didn't want this to happen, he was essentially saying that he needed to be shut down for pubuc needed to be shut down for public safety. nigel farage was on the stage. it was it was gripping it. it it was better than any drama i've watched recently. i can tell you that. you had the police at the door. it gripping it was really, really gripping stuff nigel farage, stuff anyway. nigel farage, let's to he had to say. >> well, they don't like alternative points of view. i mean, you know, i'm used to this. mean, when was mep this. i mean, when i was an mep here last few i was here in my last few years, i was banned restaurants, banned banned from restaurants, banned from even from from pubs, even banned from coffee had coffee shops because i had a different point of view to that that prevailing and backed that was prevailing and backed up money and big business up by big money and big business here, but this is that was me on a private level. this is very much public stage. no much on a public stage. no alternative opinion allowed. this is the updated new of this is the updated new form of communism . and you know what, if communism. and you know what, if anything, ever, ever made me think that brexit was the right

thing to do. it's the events here brussels today , the here in brussels today, the mayor of the city has just described, and he was saying, and i quote, the far right is not welcome. well one of the other speakers that was suella braverman, let's take a listen to her. >> it's pretty astonishing. nigel, isn't it, thankfully, you and i got to make our speeches in favour of controlling our borders and protecting our communities amongst like minded democrats. many of us there are democratically elected politicians. many of us are leaders in our field. academics, thinkers, writers . and it's thinkers, writers. and it's frankly staggering. the mayor of brussels has deployed his thought police to cancel what is a peaceful event focused on how we can better represent the millions of people around the european continent. >> well, look. so where streeting. he had this to say earlier. listen the right honourable member for fareham, who couldn't be here today with us, mr deputy speaker, because

she's currently in brussels surrounded by the police who are trying to shut down the event. >> she's attending with some far right fanatics she has right fanatics with whom she has much common. much in common. >> extraordinary, really. and i didn't know i was going to say this until i saw that clip of wes streeting labour joking about this really sends a shiver down the spine. is this what we are to expect if we get a labour government free speech, just for those people with whom you agree? because that is no free speech all. belief in free speech at all. belief in free society free means society and a free speech means standing up the rights of standing up for the rights of people despise. dare people you despise. now i dare say i that they've got say i hope that they've got a more relationship than more convivial relationship than that. that their that. i hope that their parliamentary partners. that. i hope that their paeres ntary partners. that. i hope that their paeres streeting partners. that. i hope that their paeres streeting doesn't tners. that. i hope that their paeressuellaing doesn'ttners. that. i hope that their paeressuella braverman tners. that. i hope that their paeressuella braverman .1ers. that. i hope that their paeressuella braverman . but despise suella braverman. but even if he does, he ought not to seek to ban her views or laugh at those who do. i dare say the mayor of brussels has given this conference far more attention than it would ever otherwise have and probably have received, and it's probably backfired on him to an extent. but i would say to the mayor of brussels, if you disagree with people, then feel free to say

why disagree with them. feel why you disagree with them. feel free them or even free to argue with them or even disparage mock them. disparage and mock them. but don't seek to ban them. >> think actually quite >> i think it's actually quite chilling, that because chilling, james, that because you politically disagree you can politically disagree with wheel out this with someone, you wheel out this label, this far right label that just wheeled out. so often just gets wheeled out. so often now it's just come to me. it's almost meaningless because almost meaningless now because it used like confetti. it is just used like confetti. basically. me, i disagree basically. to me, i disagree with you, but this notion that you the police you can have the police literally chomping at bit literally chomping at the bit at the then went in, the door, then they went in, they gave them 15 minutes basically read these basically to read these documents that agree to close down the conference and so on. i find it quite chilling. what do you think? >> you're right find it >> well, you're right to find it chilling , the police shouldn't chilling, the police shouldn't be around in any country be going around in any country shutting down political meetings regardless of how distasteful you find them. and there will be a lot said at the nato con conference that will be extremely distasteful . that extremely distasteful. that should be attacked as there was when it was held in london. as it is when it is held in the us. there's much to disagree about

it, but they should be allowed to go and say it so that it can be disagreed with. and this is a worrying trend. earlier in your presentation , you were presentation, you were suggesting it's something that is only done to the right, and i don't think that's the case at all. for example, just a few days ago, there was a conference in berlin. the palestine conference, which was shut down by 2000 police officers who prevent kid entering in, british palestinian doctor hassan abu sitta, who was meant to give testimony about what was happening in hospitals in palestine. and that was shut down. the live feed was shut off, and the people who were participating, including yanis varoufakis , the former varoufakis, the former greek finance banned from finance minister, is banned from entry germany and banned from entry to germany and banned from even participating in zooms that could germans on them. and could have germans on them. and i think this is very worrying i think this is a very worrying trajectory we that we that we should all all stand against. i'll give you the ultimate irony, which is that this mayor

of brussels, not some past predecessor, this mayor of brussels, on brussels, has appeared on a stage with the mayor of tehran, who sanctioned by the eu. who is sanctioned by the eu. >> and his defence, when challenged about that, was just appearing on a panel with somebody doesn't mean you agree with them. well quite. you know, having hosting a city having hosting people in a city and allowing them to have public discourse doesn't mean you agree with them. of course, we've all immediately become on immediately become experts on the belgian constitution, haven't we? and the belgian constitution guarantees freedom of assembly . well, of speech and assembly. well, that wasn't much in evidence here, and i look forward to the brussels government, the belgian government saying is government saying this mayor is completely off base. and i'll just you more point, just give you one more point, because in a parallel world, because if in a parallel world, i were the mayor of london and james had some meeting with his far left mates, i wouldn't dream of tasking the police with shutting them down. and if i did, i hope the police would refuse my unlawful order, because this is wholly against free speech and moreover, from the so—called capital of the european union, the next time the tries to say putin or

the eu tries to say putin or orban or trump has done something authoritarian and overreach their powers, and they don't like those authoritarian right wingers will say, why shouldn't i? because that's what happensin shouldn't i? because that's what happens in the heart of your beloved eu. and you know what? they'll be, right. beloved eu. and you know what? thewell,e, right. beloved eu. and you know what? thewell, the ght. beloved eu. and you know what? thewell, the prime minister, >> well, the prime minister, actually, belgium, actually, of belgium, he, has written x and said written on twitter x and said what happened at the richard tice? that's the venue that was hosting that. it's unacceptable. basically, on about, basically, he goes on about, municipal autonomy as a cornerstone of our democracy, but can never, ever rule the, the belgium, constitution, guaranteeing the freedom of speech and peaceful assembly since 1830, banning political meetings is unconstitutional, . meetings is unconstitutional,. >> good for the prime minister of belgium, which is, of course, something i say all the time. >> what about this weird notion , >> what about this weird notion, this weird over use of the phrase right .7 because i feel phrase far right? because i feel that this just gets wheeled out all the time and basically what it means is people are just disagree with. i don't think it

it does mean that, of course, any time can be used sloppily far left or hard left or far right or so on. >> they can be used sloppily . i >> they can be used sloppily. i do think that i haven't looked at the full guest list and everything that they have to say, but there have been people that are further to the right than the hard right who have participated these, these participated in these, in these events. but i mean, these are analytical terms. they're not just and they should be used as such. so we shouldn't be afraid of calling people far right when they're when they're far right. but shouldn't used in but it shouldn't be used in a way that i don't think anyone is afraid of calling anyone far right. >> $- f“- >> people use it all the time and it, if you ask me, and they use it, if you ask me, as way shaming. so what as a way of shaming. so what they is of a shout they think is of a shout far right them, because right to them, because essentially want controlled essentially they want controlled immigration, essentially they want controlled im ashamed that they'll kind so ashamed that they'll all kind of wither and be silent. it's absolutely ridiculous. then absolutely ridiculous. but then the other flip side, alex, unless to unless you want to respond to that far right, i just no, i agree, i get called far right on social media for expressing the kinds discussing tonight. >> i think often it does

>> i think all too often it does mean i disagree with you, but i get to disagree with you without having burden of explaining having the burden of explaining why you're wrong. just why or why you're wrong. i just call therefore call you far right and therefore i'll i'm able to dismiss you. >> but the flip side of >> but then the flip side of this many people will also this is many people will also argue conservatives are argue that the conservatives are your party. they're not even conservative anymore. so for example, you've got this vote tonight the tobacco and vapes tonight on the tobacco and vapes bill, many people would argue that true conservatives , that true conservatives, conservatives would allow people to make choices that are perhaps bad for them. and why would you be busying yourselves with bills like that .7 like that? >> so two things. first of all, of course, the conservative party is a broad church. it includes everyone from suella braverman, you rightly braverman, which you rightly described which is described on the right, which is where all the way where i am to all the way through lefties think we through to lefties who think we in sense, who in the conservative sense, who think have remained think we should have remained in the forth, the european union and so forth, although we our own although we have our own internal disagreements internal family disagreements from on the point from time to time on the point you make about smoking ban, i would just make the point that whilst the prime minister is seeking to introduce legislation which the labour party is now

supporting and says we'll get over the line, i think they're probably right. he's doing so in a vote and i a free vote and i was a candidate selected by the conservative that conservative party, regard that free applying free vote as applying to candidates well members of parliament. >> is that a good of >> is that a good use of conservative government? >> is that a good use of conwell,:ive government? >> is that a good use of conwell,:i\wasyvernment? >> is that a good use of conwell,:i\wasyvernmto t? >> is that a good use of conwell,:i\wasyvernmto make the >> well, i was going to make the point i think it's point that i think it's completely you know, and completely wrong, you know, and i someone who's been i as a as someone who's been selected party, feel free selected by my party, feel free to in course of to say that in the course of having vote about it. but having a free vote about it. but i will make point too. i will just make the point too. and don't know what james and i don't know what james thinks this. the last time thinks about this. the last time restrictions on kind of personal choice went choice issues like this went through the house of commons. on the john reid the left, people like john reid and and john and tessa jowell and john prescott voted against restricting ability to restricting people's ability to make these decisions for themselves. in part, they did it because working man's because the working man's freedom after day go freedom after a hard day to go out pint or a smoke out and have a pint or a smoke shouldn't be restricted. and in part because there part they did it because there was cross—party consensus part they did it because there wa liberalism. ;s—party consensus part they did it because there wa liberalism. wouldy consensus part they did it because there wa liberalism. would that1sensus part they did it because there wa liberalism. would that return; on liberalism. would that return 7 on liberalism. would that return .7 would it? >> will we ever be a more liberal? well, i suppose i meant would that it would that we could have it back would be lovely. >> but will, will that return in

the labour party because the strongest debate in this within the party, some the conservative party, some saying it's right, some saying it's labour it's wrong. the labour party is unhed it's wrong. the labour party is united of nanny it's wrong. the labour party is uniteycontrol. of nanny it's wrong. the labour party is uniteycontrol. freakery�*nanny it's wrong. the labour party is uniteycontrol. freakery do ny it's wrong. the labour party is uniteycontrol. freakery do you state control. freakery do you agree that , i state control. freakery do you agree that, i think that agree with that, i think that probably labour is probably the labour party is just doing it always does, just doing what it always does, which agreeing with which is agreeing with the government thinks government because it thinks that best way to win that that's the best way to win the election. >> you're a hard to debate, >> you're a hard man to debate, james, say the right, james, when you say the right, you true things . you say true things. >> i the answer is i hope so. i think that , this is a this is think that, this is a this is a stupid ban, and i do think that, there's a long standing tradition that is much more focused on freedom, on the left, especially in the left of the labour party. that is not in favour of, of this sort of stuff at all, and has been against it for, for, for a long time. >> can i squeeze in one point? you may, which is believing in liberty means nothing all if liberty means nothing at all if you just defend things that everyone for everyone likes and are good for you. sometimes liberty means defending that you don't defending things that you don't like, right grown like, and the right of grown adults to decide things that are bad for them, and long may that remain so, says michelle

remain so, kevin says michelle wes streeting should be forced to apologise for that comment , to apologise for that comment, he made in parliament. i don't see that happening to you, andy, says. michelle, i don't personally believe that there is a left and a right narrative anymore. just fight anymore. it's just a fight between sides , between two intolerant sides, who both have the arrogance to be certain that they are right . be certain that they are right. the political debate become the political debate has become too to be healthy for too toxic to be healthy for democracy, he says. i hope that i'm wrong. is he wrong or do you agree with that? has it all got too toxic, are people too arrogant on either side of the debate? give me your thoughts on that. speaking about people are arrogant. by the way, do you think that people should able think that people should be able to their words, not mine. to occupy their words, not mine. empty squatters. what empty building squatters. what do you think to them? see you in two.

hi there. michelle dewberry

tells seven alongside the conservative candidate for finchley and golders green, alex dean. and the author and political organiser, james schneider. welcome back, everyone. let's talk squatters, shall we? have you seen the goings on? there was a pub, essentially, that's owned by gordon ramsay, it's got a value. it's up for sale with a price tag of £13 million. long story short, these squatters went into there and they said they had the right to occupy this venue, essentially because it wasn't residential . they put this no essentially because it wasn't residential. they put this no on basically saying to people essentially don't cross this threshold, we're allowed to be there. had the there was there. they had the there was call out the camden arts community or something like that. they turned it into like a little bit of a soup kitchen. they allowed like to they allowed like artists to come display work come in and display their work anyway. now been served anyway. they've now been served nofice anyway. they've now been served notice they've had cancel notice they've had to cancel their planned kitchen for their planned soup kitchen for today be gone. alex, what do today and be gone. alex, what do you think to this? >> i think it's a recipe for anarchy to reward behaviour like this. the police and the law, in

my view, far soft on my view, are far too soft on what real menace it is to what a real menace it is to people's lives businesses to people's lives and businesses to let people squat. it can ruin the of people both in the lives of people both in residential and commercial settings. if you are on settings. and if you are on someone else's property unlawfully, i think the police in country should remove in this country should remove you extreme prejudice. you with extreme prejudice. >> agree that .7 >> do you agree with that? >> do you agree with that? >> no, i, don't. i think that >> no, i, i don't. i think that when a building isn't being used, i don't think there's anything wrong with it being squatted, especially if it's used for some social purpose. i mean, let's take a, you know, any high street in britain that is full of shuttered shops. i think if some of those were taken over and opened up for some community activity vie that, you know, i don't know, activists were running a soup kitchen or, helping people back into work or whatever it might be in, in a particular, in a particular venue, i think is i think would be a good thing . think would be a good thing. >> james and i go on holiday for a fortnight. am i entitled as long as i've got a good enough

social purpose to take over your house? but that's if house? no but that's not so. if you believe property rights you believe in property rights for can't the of for you, why can't the rest of us have them? for you, why can't the rest of us iwell, hem? for you, why can't the rest of us iwell, firstly, i imagine you >> well, firstly, i imagine you and don't the same idea and i don't have the same idea of rights, for of property rights, for starters. secondly , that's starters. but secondly, that's for but i think that, me for sure. but i think that, me going holiday from my rented going on holiday from my rented flat for two weeks is rather different . different. >> let's say six months. you go on holiday for a nice six month toun on holiday for a nice six month tour, and i take it over for five months with my social purpose is rather different to the up , you know, the the boarded up, you know, the boarded up commercial building that being brought back that is not being brought back to life or they broke in, right? like i'd break into your flat, but that's okay, right? because i've a social purpose in i've got a social purpose in doing so. i'm run doing so. i'm going to run a soup kitchen out of your flat for five months while you're on toun >> well, okay, there are lots of, are lots of shops that of, there are lots of shops that are boarded up down the road that could do use your that you could do that use your flat soup kitchen, james. flat as a soup kitchen, james. >> a social purpose. >> it's a good social purpose. >> it's a good social purpose. >> no . you've got on your i'm >> no. you've got on your i'm coming back james speaking tour. >> you've got on the >> right. you've got on the schneider speaking tour for six months months

months and just for five months of auditioning of that, you're auditioning my agent. to. and agent. i'm going to. and you'd be a great speaker, too. and i'm going take your flat over for going to take your flat over for five middle. five months in the middle. >> don't think that is >> no, i don't think that is remotely comparable to, for example, explain the difference to explain to me. i'll explain it very easily. okay. that is easily. okay. a bank that is shutting, is shut down, shutting, that is shut down, it's its purposes. left. it it's left its purposes. left. it left its premises. it's still there . it's in the middle of there. it's in the middle of town. and that gets taken over . town. and that gets taken over. there's no, no one. it's not using it instead of somebody else because there's no there's no other tenant who's there. and it's used for some other purpose . i think that seems perfectly fine, perfectly sensible, and not not comparable to your example, where you come over and fiddle around with my drawers. >> so is your distinction commercial vie residential then, not. i mean , if someone's living not. i mean, if someone's living there, if it's someone's home, then that's a completely different matter, right? >> if it's someone's holiday home and they reside in a different country. >> you know, probably not. but l, >> you know, probably not. but i, for example, i can see a circumstance in namibia, for

example, which has a very large , example, which has a very large, problem with lack of housing and landlessness. i can see some example where you would say, well, that is morally right in, in such and such a circumstance. but anyway, we're dealing very much here. much with edge cases here. >> less, less than >> less, less, less than namibia, more high street. >> imagine you're banking namibia, more high street. >>indeedmagine you're banking namibia, more high street. >>indeed aagine you're banking namibia, more high street. >>indeed a pub; you're banking namibia, more high street. >>indeed a pub exampleyanking namibia, more high street. >>indeed a pub example like ng or indeed a pub example like this one. it's boarded up. yes, but that means people have broken in to get there. you say that's i say, how do you that's okay. i say, how do you know it's not going to be used that's okay. i say, how do you kncx it's not going to be used that's okay. i say, how do you kncx amount going to be used that's okay. i say, how do you kncx amount ofing to be used that's okay. i say, how do you kncx amount of time? be used that's okay. i say, how do you kncx amount of time? howsed that's okay. i say, how do you kncx amount of time? how do you for x amount of time? how do you know what business plans are being made for that which are being made for that which are being with the being stymied along with the employment along employment opportunities, along with the rejuvenation that may take place the presence of take place by the presence of those who then those squatters who are then effectively that the effectively demanding that the state them on. otherwise state move them on. otherwise they'll there long they'll stay there for as long as like. as they like. >> well, i mean, you probably >> well, i mean, as you probably know, isn't ordinarily what know, that isn't ordinarily what does squatters. does happen with squatters. they often to an agreement with often come to an agreement with the landlord about when they're when they're going to take it back, because they're going to put in some other commercial tenant. basically you've put in some other commercial ten'hereiasically you've put in some other commercial ten'hereiasproperty you've

put in some other commercial ten'hereiasproperty vie'ou've put in some other commercial ten'hereiasproperty vie thata got here is property vie that nothing is happening in for a short period of time , short period of time, potentially a medium period of time, and it's being used for some other purpose. and that is, you know, that's perfectly permission . permission. >> that is the key without the permission of owner, permission of the owner, permission of the owner, permission want up permission if you want to set up your kitchens, your social soup kitchens, good on job, save up on you. go get a job, save up some money, buy some property and it for whatever your and use it for whatever your heart tells to do is rock up heart tells you to do is rock up to someone else's property because you think you've got a decent social purpose, do you? but these two have completely different opinions . what do you different opinions. what do you make of it all? gb views @gbnews. com if you want to email me as well, that's how you can get hold of me today, also, national trust after the break, do they're the do you think they're losing the plot a bit or not? i'll plot a little bit or not? i'll tell why tell you why

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. right alongside me. alex. dean the conservative

candidate for finchley and golders green and the political organiser and author, james schneider. let's talk national trust , long story short, trust, long story short, somebody passed away and they passed over to the national trust , some assets, which trust, some assets, which included a piece of land. the wishes , a memorandum of wishes wishes, a memorandum of wishes essentially said that the owner of this land wanted it to be used , for recreational purposes, used, for recreational purposes, free of charge. i'm trying to get to the point as quick as i can on this. the national trust have now decided essentially to turn over this land instead, to help them meet their biodiversity , conservation and biodiversity, conservation and eco targets i.e. not for the wishes of which it was intended. >> it's one of those rare moments, i think, michel, of real disagreement between us, because as long as you think the national trust should occupy this then they have in this position, then they have in a privilege our national a privilege in our national life, they're have life, then they're going to have the ability to do things like this. and i think you can still the ability to do things like this.land i think you can still the ability to do things like this.land i thinibeing:an still the ability to do things like this.land i thinibeing used ill the ability to do things like this.land i thinibeing used for use land that's being used for biodiversity forth, biodiversity and so forth, for

recreational purposes. i mean, it seems to me this is a single piece land. oh, well, much piece of land. oh, well, much bigger are then bigger issues for me are then posthumously outing people as being gay from history or being gay in, from history or self—flagellating over supposed slavery of the people who've been kind enough to give them land in their wills. so i think the national trust has completely lost its direction. but if you to pick but if you want to pick evidence, this is be the last place i regard this place i'd start. i regard this as legitimate change of use, james. >> so from what i can work out here, i mean, firstly, i think it's a mistake to turn over something been a sports something that's been a sports pitch a long time to another pitch for a long time to another use. but now i might have this wrong because i'm not an expert in it, but it seems to me that one of the potential real benefits of leaving the eu was that we would change common agricultural policy and so how we did subsidy for the countryside could change. and that's what michael gove brought forward . and within that, it's forward. and within that, it's trying to move , landowners trying to move, landowners towards biodiversity and so on. and it seems to me that if the

national trust is doing this in order to follow those new regulations, those regulations need a because if it's need a tweak because if it's encouraging, it's taking some land which already has a good social use, i.e. land which already has a good social use, le. a sports field that's good for the environment. it's good health, it's good it's good for health, it's good for society. they should it's good for health, it's good for another:y. they should it's good for health, it's good for another bit'hey should it's good for health, it's good for another bit ofy should it's good for health, it's good for another bit of land uld it's good for health, it's good for another bit of land that take another bit of land that they have around the corner in. i'm assuming what's on a stately home, and therefore they've got plenty turn that into plenty of it and turn that into the biodiversity plot. me, the biodiversity plot. so to me, it seem like this is it doesn't seem like this is really about the really a story about the national all. this is national trust at all. this is a story how do our how we story about how we do our how we regulate land, use . and it regulate to land, use. and it seems like something which was well—meaning . i actually think well—meaning. i actually think i'm being very friendly to the government here, much more than i would usually. a well—meaning attempt to change us from common agricultural policy to something that biodiversity that does more for biodiversity has some flaw in it, which could be tweaked, wouldn't have be tweaked, and we wouldn't have this of i this is this kind of i think this is more a national trust policy, more of a national trust policy, though, just what though, because just to say what they say they're they say, they say they're committed creating 25,000 committed to creating 25,000 hectares of wildlife hectares of new wildlife habitats provide more habitats by 2025 to provide more opportunities with

opportunities to connect with nature . nature. >> and they also promote ethical consumerism an important way consumerism as an important way of life. by supporting farms and its aims. >> those are legitimate aims. and gather from and moreover, it. i gather from the pve and moreover, it. i gather from the i've about the article that i've read about this that the land concerned was rented, leased by the local rented, was leased by the local council, and the lease is up. well, you know, uses change when your lease runs out. >> so are you not a fan of the national trust? not at all. broadly not at all. >> but the point here is the lease and the people who lease is up and the people who aren't seem aren't giving up the lease seem to think they have the to think that they have the ability to insist on still using it when lease gone. it when the lease is gone. i mean, absurd as saying mean, that's as absurd as saying someone commercial someone can squat in commercial property for as long as they like. >> wasn't it, i just from the article wasn't it? the >> wasn't it, i just from the articlehad wasn't it? the >> wasn't it, i just from the articlehad no wasn't it? the >> wasn't it, i just from the articlehad no fee sn't it? the >> wasn't it, i just from the articlehad no fee attached|e >> wasn't it, i just from the articlehad no fee attached to it. lease had no fee attached to it. so you can see how a community thought you know, thought that. well, you know, we're always going to have this. >> not how law works. >> that's not how the law works. >> that's not how the law works. >> going to have >> we're always going to have this anyway. it doesn't this pitch anyway. it doesn't seem with alex this pitch anyway. it doesn't seenit with alex this pitch anyway. it doesn't seenit doesn't with alex this pitch anyway. it doesn't seenit doesn't seem with alex this pitch anyway. it doesn't seenit doesn't seem to h alex this pitch anyway. it doesn't seenit doesn't seem to h alat that it doesn't seem to be, a kind of really much of a culture war issue. it might be a, it might be a misapplication of

some rules, which is what i guess it is, without knowing that much about it. or it might be a legitimate use of change, of use of land, which is alex's position. >> i'm almost out of time, but very, very one my very, very quickly. one of my viewers, peter, national viewers, peter, says national trust purpose. trust is not fit for purpose. they a work pressure group they are a work pressure group that british history . that despises british history. just very quickly, do you agree with or not, no . with that or not, no. >> no. but i mean, i don't know a tremendous amount about it, and i'm i was very surprised about six months ago came about six months ago when i came on and started ranting on and alex started ranting about on and alex started ranting aborthe first i had heard that was the first i had heard that apparently everyone, you know, that some hate it. it that some people hate it. it seemed it's a stately home place. >> my view remains unchanged, on squatting penny says i squatting penny says michel, i don't the in squatting, don't see the harm in squatting, people are homeless, buildings are empty, so it doesn't make sense. no, she says, surely. doesn't it make sense that someone else can the benefit someone else can get the benefit out it? as long as they're out of it? as long as they're peaceful? i don't see a problem. would someone occupying would you want someone occupying your it? your house, squatting in it? as long as peaceful without long as they're peaceful without your permission? thank you. your permission? no, thank you. i'd them the i'd be grabbing them out by the scruff of the neck, yanking them

straight out of there. if it was my tell you that straight out of there. if it was my free, tell you that straight out of there. if it was myfree, michael tell you that straight out of there. if it was my free, michael says. you that straight out of there. if it was myfree, michael says. yorhome for free, michael says my home was in five weeks. was squatted in for five weeks. i live in a tent. it is i had to live in a tent. it is awful. he says the council wouldn't do anything. and then they me pay rent for they made me pay the rent for they made me pay the rent for the that i couldn't live the weeks that i couldn't live in carol says in my home as well, carol says no, have the right no, you shouldn't have the right to people wrecked no, you shouldn't have the right to buildings people wrecked no, you shouldn't have the right to buildings as)ple wrecked no, you shouldn't have the right to buildings as well. /recked no, you shouldn't have the right to buildings as well. and ed these buildings as well. and annette people annette says if people break into a property that does not belong them, then they're belong to them, then they're breaking simple, breaking the law. and simple, they arrested, they should be arrested, she says , alan says michel, this is says, alan says michel, this is not about empty properties. it's about who do they belong to. if it's empty and it's been empty for years, it is that the decision owner? look, decision of the owner? look, time flies. james. alex, thank you much. up next everyone. you very much. up next everyone. farage. you won't want to miss this. he'll be bringing you up to speed everything that's to speed with everything that's been in brussels from been going on in brussels from me. nanites >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello, and welcome back to

the latest update from the met office. some showers will continue overnight, but otherwise it turns drier with clear spells. >> and it turns chilly in places. with our air now coming from the north, that's a cold direction with isobars out opening out as well. lighter winds will mean a greater chance of a frost. there will be widespread clear skies across the uk as the showers fade away, although 1 or 2 showers will continue across northern ireland, parts of wales and the southwest, more especially for northeast scotland, the north sea coast as some of the sea coast as well. some of the showers in northern scotland will be falling snow because will be falling as snow because it's a cold night. it's going to be a cold night. a touch of frost here there as touch of frost here and there as we off wednesday. but we start off wednesday. but beautiful skies for many of beautiful blue skies for many of us, through this us, particularly through this central swathe uk. central swathe of the uk. i think still the north and east of scotland, eastern england seeing a brisk breeze from the north and some showers, also some showers elsewhere from the word go, but generally turning dner word go, but generally turning drier many places by the drier in many places by the afternoon, albeit rather cloudy. northern ireland seeing rain

arrive and it will feel cold here. seven celsius not much better elsewhere. 11 to 13 degrees at their highest in the south. but thursday starts off bright once again , chilly in bright once again, chilly in places, and we keep the brightness across the south and south—east well into the afternoon, whilst the cloud thickens across the north and northwest with outbreaks of rain moving south across scotland, northern ireland and northern england , the rain clears up on england, the rain clears up on friday. the weekend looks very nice indeed . nice indeed. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good evening. i'm joining you live from brussels, where i've been attending the natcon conference. which the belgian police tried to close down. no

alternative views are allowed in this city. we must all support ever closer union. or the old bill will come and take us away . bill will come and take us away. joining me here was the former home secretary, suella braverman . i've had a very long chat with her about the current state of the conservative party, and whether rishi should man and whether rishi should man up and leave the echr. i also asked her what brexit voters effectively betrayed by the conservative party since 2019 and as i speak, members of parliament in the house of commons are voting on a smoking ban . does it make any smoking ban. does it make any sense? and is there an argument that says if you ban things or over tax things , it actually over tax things, it actually makes things worse? but before all of that , let's get the news all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . with polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb news tonight, downing street the attempt downing street says the attempt by brussels to shut by police in brussels to shut down