he admitted that he gave other mp5 personal phone numbers to a man on a dating app. it's understood that over a dozen figures in parliament have also been targeted, so we'll be discussing mp safety and the honey trap sixteen scandals this evening. then the home office has been offering staff trigger support if they read about wait for it slavery. an investigation by gb news has revealed. meanwhile, civil servants are threatening to stop working over giving arms to israel. are civil servants taking control? the infamous garrick club is a step closer to admitting women members following a historic decision by the club's general committee. can we no longer have single sex clubs and an ideological divide has opened between young men and women?

apparently so. would you date someone who had completely different political views to you ? so that's coming up in the next hour . but first, let's get next hour. but first, let's get your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. >> nana. thank you. the top stories this hour. police are searching for other body parts after the discovery of a torso at a salford nature reserve. greater manchester police says the human remains were found wrapped in plastic by a member of the public at kersal dale . of the public at kersal dale. the gender and age of the person are currently unknown, but police believe it was an adult. a murder investigation is now underway and a search is taking place in the local area . chief place in the local area. chief superintendent tony crilly says detectives need a breakthrough in this tragic case. >> we believe that these remains are likely to have been here for

are likely to have been here for a matter of days , and it really a matter of days, and it really is a tragic case. our priority now is establishing who this person is and ensuring that we carry out a diligent and respectful investigation on behalf of that person and their family. whoever they may be. we are speaking to those locals in the area dog walkers, passers by or anyone else who might who may have the smallest bit of information . information. >> huge crowds are taking part in protests in westminster. hundreds of pro—palestinian protesters taking part in the annual al quds day demonstrations marched from the home office to downing street. pro—israel counter—protesters are nearby , waving flags on are nearby, waving flags on parliament square, chanting for the release of the hostages being held by hamas. it says new powers to prevent disruptive protests come into force , with protests come into force, with offenders facing up to six months in prison or an unlimited fine . the foreign secretary is

fine. the foreign secretary is calling for a holy , independent calling for a holy, independent review into the killing of three british aid workers in gaza. john chapman , james henderson john chapman, james henderson and james kirby were among seven world central kitchen workers who were hit by israeli airstrikes. lord cameron has welcomed the dismissal of two idf officers, and says the uk will now carefully review the findings of an initial report on the incident . government the incident. government security experts have been called in to analyse the whatsapp messages at the heart of the westminster sex scandal. so far , around a dozen mp5, so far, around a dozen mp5, staff and journalists are known to have been targeted and sources have told gb news more are coming forward. it's after tory mp william wragg told the times he'd sent intimate pictures of himself to someone on a gay dating app, and was then manipulated into providing phone numbers. he's expected to be contacted today and will be asked for a list of the numbers he shared . the met police has he shared. the met police has also confirmed it's working with

other forces over blackmail concerns. chancellor jeremy hunt concerns. chancellorjeremy hunt says everyone needs to take cyber security seriously . cyber security seriously. >> well, i think the events of the last few days have been a great cause for concern . the mp great cause for concern. the mp involved has given a courageous and fulsome apology , but the and fulsome apology, but the lesson here for all mp5 is that they need to be very careful about cyber security and indeed, it's the lesson for members of the public as well, because this is something that we are all having to face in our daily lives. >> a magnitude 4.8 earthquake has hit new jersey and new york. camera eyes were seen shaking dunng camera eyes were seen shaking during a un security council meeting . the tremors forcing the meeting. the tremors forcing the president of save the children to momentarily pause her speech . to momentarily pause her speech. these are live pictures from times square, where it looks like it's business as usual. the us geological society says the quake was just five kilometres

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on your screen, or go to gb news. common alerts. now it's back to . nana. back to. nana. >> thank you tatiana. it's fast approaching seven minutes after 6:00. i'm nana akua. this is a dewbs & co and co. well, joining dewbs& co and co. well, joining me until seven, my panel political commentator benedict spence, a visiting professor at staffordshire university. tom buick, is that right, tom? that's right. i've said it correctly. just making sure. right. well, don't forget, you can get in touch with us at gb views at gb news. com or on twitter or x at gb news. right before we get stuck into our stories of the day, we want to cross live to what's happening right now in westminster, at the pro—palestine and pro—israel demonstration . a5 pro—palestine and pro—israel demonstration . as our reporter demonstration. as our reporter charlie peters there, charlie charlie peters is there, charlie , whereabouts are you now and what's what's been happening ? what's what's been happening? >> i'm just in front of downing street, where we've just seen a man arrested, taken away from the main demonstration behind me

on whitehall. this is the al—quds day march on whitehall. it has happened every day, every year since 1979. around the world. we've just heard this speaker say that this year's event of al—quds day is especially significant due to the ongoing israel—hamas war in gaza and indeed across the middle east, as that conflict expands. it was an intense march . thousands left the home office and then marched for two hours until they reached whitehall, where we are now. we saw two arrested from some pro—israel demonstrators on parliament square, reportedly on charges of inciting violence . at the same inciting violence. at the same time, we've also seen some extremely controversial and violent language being used by the pro—palestinian protesters. we saw a placard that said resistance by any means necessary . we, the met police an

necessary. we, the met police an hour ago, said they would investigate any circumstances where they saw that placard being held , and we saw it dozens being held, and we saw it dozens of times as those protesters marched parliament square at the beginning of the protest. marched parliament square at the beginning of the protest . before beginning of the protest. before the march started, we also saw some placards of hitler in the back of a car associated with the pro—palestinian protester. that man was taken away by police. the man who was in the car that had those placards. but we saw him released back into the crowd and back on the protest later. and that comes as the met was told by the home office today to take a zero tolerance approach to law breaking. the met deployed some 500 officers to this march, a march of great intensity as the debate in britain over the war between israel and hamas continues to grow. >> charlie peters, thank you very much. we'll keep you updated as well on what's going on. understand it. the quds

march is supposed to end at 7:00, so we'll see if that starts to wrap towards the starts to wrap up towards the end the hour. but we're end of the hour. but we're becoming quite to these becoming quite used to these scenes. difference scenes. but the difference today, course, is that there today, of course, is that there are demonstrators are pro—israeli demonstrators too, what do you make of too, so what do you make of this? i'm going to start with you, tom. what do you make of this, these protests. are you sick of them or. >> you know, because we live in a democracy in this country. and i it's a tribute, i think it's a tribute, actually, to our democracy that we appears to have we can have what appears to have been a relatively peaceful protest. i mean, let's see what happens at p.m. protest. i mean, let's see what happens at pm. and again, i happens at 7 pm. and again, i mean, i've on show in mean, i've been on this show in the where we've talked a the past where we've talked a lot about inadequacies and lot about the inadequacies and shortcomings of metropolitan shortcomings of the metropolitan police. seem to police. again, they seem to be policing effectively, policing the march effectively, but there is just one but i think there is just one irony here, though, is that we've in terms of the we've got, in terms of the pro—palestinian al pro—palestinian march, al quds day, stands jerusalem day day, it stands forjerusalem day in arabic, of course, brought in by the iranian regime, initially in 1979. and of course, where there's absolutely no freedom in iran at all, you know, they throw gays off buildings and

they imprison their dissidents. so there's something of an irony here that we've got people taking to the streets using their freedom taking to the streets using theirfreedom in taking to the streets using their freedom in a democracy to campaign for a cause that they believe in. yet actually, you know, the people behind this don't share many of those values, just just checking their you said and we know that there have been sort of quite extreme elements of it where they may throw who are gay throw people who are gay off buildings, that's, that's, buildings, but that's, that's, that would real extreme that would be a real extreme part of it, wouldn't it? >> that's not regular. >> that's not a regular. >> that's not a regular. >> yeah, but look at what's going in iran. i iran going on in iran. i mean, iran is also backer of hezbollah in is also a backer of hezbollah in lebanon. mean , talk about lebanon. i mean, talk about proxy you know, iran is, proxy wars. you know, iran is, you know, essentially prosecuting a proxy war against the state of israel, which we should remember, is one of the few democracies, genuine democracies in the middle east, which is why it's good to see again , hopefully, a peaceful again, hopefully, a peaceful counter demonstration there from the israeli, protesters. >> okay. >> okay. >> benedict, i mean, just on the

subject of iran. i mean, it doesn't throw as many homosexuals off buildings as it used to, because i think a lot of people are sensible enough not outin of people are sensible enough not out in public. but not to come out in public. but one thing that the iranian government do is fund the government does do is fund the gender transition of people who are because the quran are gay because the quran doesn't actually that. are gay because the quran does it's actually that. are gay because the quran doesit's preferable that. are gay because the quran doesit's preferable in that. are gay because the quran doesit's preferable in some. and it's preferable in some interpretations for you and it's preferable in some intberetations for you and it's preferable in some intbe transgender for you and it's preferable in some intbe transgender than for you and it's preferable in some intbe transgender than it)r you and it's preferable in some intbe transgender than it isyou and it's preferable in some intbe transgender than it is for to be transgender than it is for you to be gay. but that is one of those things where it's kind of those things where it's kind of like, you have that choice, or choose so it's or you can choose death. so it's not a particularly not actually a particularly progressive view. but if we want to more broadly around the to look more broadly around the region other groups that region at the other groups that iran fund, hamas, for iran does fund, like hamas, for example, or the houthis or hezbollah, yes. actually, the execution of dissidents, of homosexuals, of all sorts of people is a fairly common occurrence. actually, saw occurrence. and actually, we saw this anti—iranian this with the anti—iranian government protests, a couple of months hundreds of months ago. hundreds of thousands months ago. hundreds of thousandthousands of people arrested, thousands of people were indefinitely, arrested, thousands of people were of indefinitely, arrested, thousands of people were of people itely, arrested, thousands of people were of people were and hundreds of people were executed . so that's by the by, executed. so that's by the by, i am fed up of these marches because actually, one of the things i talk about being a democracy and everybody being free to express their views in a post—holocaust european country. for me, anti—semitism is a red

line you don't cross. and line that you don't cross. and actually, than happy actually, i'm more than happy for government to crack down for a government to crack down on that. and on people who display that. and we've far too often. we've seen it far too often. charlie peters, your correspondent, spotted correspondent, has spotted placards protest has placards on this protest and has tweeted them that are very tweeted about them that are very clearly anti—semitic. i have absolutely no qualms with police going in, breaking up those kind absolutely no qualms with police gothings breaking up those kind absolutely no qualms with police gothings and king up those kind absolutely no qualms with police gothings and banning:hose kind absolutely no qualms with police gothings and banning those (ind of things and banning those sorts of because by this stage, these have been going on. we're in the sixth of the in the sixth month now of the war there has not been war in gaza. there has not been a sort major halt to this a sort of a major halt to this sort of attitude. anti—semitism is rife on these marches in that it is far too frequent. so actually , about now, i think, actually, about now, i think, yes, is a time to say, look, yes, it is a time to say, look, if you think that you're going to be able to away with to be able to get away with this, i say, in this, as i say, in a post—holocaust country, post—holocaust european country, no, that we no, it's a red line that we shouldn't tolerate. >> briefly. you not >> very briefly. do you not think, though, banning marches and marches are and these marches today are legally organised marches say legally organised marches of say predominantly they've gone off peacefully and we should obviously emphasise that the vast people on these vast majority of people on these marches peaceful citizens. vast majority of people on these marches do peaceful citizens. vast majority of people on these marches do weeaceful citizens. vast majority of people on these marches do we getful citizens. vast majority of people on these marches do we getful ci actually >> why do we get into actually mirroring of the mirroring some of the authoritarian the authoritarian antics of the middle banning marches? >> most countries marches.

>> most countries ban marches. actually, the united states actually, it's the united states is almost unique across the world its absolute world for having its absolute stance free and even stance on free speech. and even it marches on this one it bans marches on this one issue. given the of issue. given the history of europe and history of the europe and the history of the middle we're being middle east, if we're being completely the completely honest here, the safety jewish safety of this country's jewish population, ingrained, population, the most ingrained, best minority best assimilated ethnic minority group in the history of this country is, i think, a priority for any british government. so actually, is one thing actually, if there is one thing that prepared to ban, one that i'm prepared to ban, one issue yes, issue of free speech, yes, anti—semitism absolutely. issue of free speech, yes, antwell,1itism absolutely. issue of free speech, yes, ant well, 1itism it's absolutely. issue of free speech, yes, ant well,1itism it's free utely. issue of free speech, yes, ant well,1itism it's free speech >> well, also, it's free speech within a democracy, rather than, you know, an autocratic state where do what where you have to do what everyone says you along everyone says and you go along with how it with that. and that's how it works we decide where the works here. we decide where the lines are. so that's why whilst people freedom speech people think freedom of speech means anything you means you can say anything you like, without like, it doesn't come without consequences within consequences and it's within our law. well, on to law. right? well, let's on to this now, now we all woke this story now, now we all woke up this morning, and senior conservative wragg up this morning, and senior conservati'himself wragg up this morning, and senior conservati'himself in wragg up this morning, and senior conservati'himself in the wragg up this morning, and senior conservati'himself in the middle has found himself in the middle of a honeytrap scandal after giving the personal phone numbers of fellow mp5 to someone he dating app. now it's he met on a dating app. now it's understood that over dozen understood that over a dozen figures in parliament have also been .the

figures in parliament have also been . the chancellor, been targeted. the chancellor, jeremy hunt, praised him for apologising . let's have apologising. let's have a listen. >> well, i think the events of the last few days, have been a great cause for concern. the mp involved has given a courageous and fulsome apology. but the lesson here for all mp5 is that they need to be very careful about cyber security . and about cyber security. and indeed, it's the lesson for members of the public as well, because this is something that we are all having to face in our daily lives . daily lives. >> i think the other lesson is, well, don't take the picture with in shot. it's with your face in shot. it's very silly. right? let's start with benedict. i'll with you, benedict. spence, i'll come you, i think i have some come to you, i think i have some sympathy wragg . sympathy for mr wragg. obviously, not a nice thing obviously, it's not a nice thing to blackmailed, but think to be blackmailed, but i think that demonstrated that he has demonstrated appalling judgement. don't appalling judgement. i don't think becoming think that that is becoming of an ultimately. know what an mp. ultimately. you know what if given away the private if he's given away the private details, contact details of members he could members of parliament, he could have given away all sorts of details ultimately. you details ultimately. and, you know, what we've know, i think given what we've had the news, in the news

had in the news, in the news recently, stories about chinese espionage, we know about espionage, we all know about iranian russian espionage iranian and russian espionage and they have and the attempts that they have gone those governments try gone to those governments to try to get information on members of parliament. i think a story like this it sort of makes this really, it sort of makes you faith in the you lose a lot of faith in the sort of the ability of mp5 to exercise proper judgement. and of course, that's set against a whole raft of scandals, many of them relating to sexual behaviour in the palace of westminster, many of them alluding to conservative mp5. >> and i think there were quite a few labour mp5 on this as well, actually. >> i'm sure that we'll get a lot more scrutiny of that once they get in power, but i suspect that's it's mainly that's why it's mainly been aimed up to now. aimed at the tories up to now. but i do suspect you're right that we will hear a lot more about that that there is about that once, that there is more influence there. but i think that he has demonstrated appallingly bad judgement. i think the conservatives should have from him. have removed the whip from him. i the idea that, oh, he's i think the idea that, oh, he's a victim, that's very sad. well, yes, a victim, but he also yes, he is a victim, but he also did incredibly stupid. did something incredibly stupid. and you're victim

and just because you're a victim doesn't mean actually you get away. well, yeah, but away. well well, yeah, but i mean, what do you mean, but what what do you think, tom? >> because we're of looking >> because we're kind of looking on and media and on people and social media and whether quite whether actually it's quite tough because, tough being an mp because, i mean, say in this job you mean, i'd say in this job you also have be very tough. i'm also have to be very tough. i'm not going to send naked pictures of to people. and, you of myself to people. and, you know, i'm just not going to do it. head shot, it. not with my head in shot, obviously. no, just simply obviously. no, i'm just simply not to do it, though i'd not going to do it, though i'd make judgement do make the judgement not to do that. do you think? what that. so what do you think? what are thoughts? are your thoughts? >> foremost, this >> first and foremost, this human far i'm human being, as far as i'm concerned, victim of concerned, is a victim of a crime here. mean, actually crime here. i mean, actually credit producers and credit to your producers and journalists throughout the day who've looked into this honeytrap detail who've looked into this hon

why it's called blackmail. you're essentially forced into making decisions that in the rational light of day, you would rather not make. and therefore i think it's a good thing that the tory party have not taken the whip from him, because i think that indicates that the view, amongst the party hierarchy is that he is first and foremost a victim. and i think we should, you know, justice should be allowed to take its course. less should. police are looking into this the this and let's see what the outcome is. >> then where do we go with >> but then where do we go with this? because we've had chris pincher, , neil pincher, imran khan, neil parish, peter bone. i mean, there's of people who've there's a list of people who've done things you done certain things where, you know, neil hadn't know, perhaps if neil hadn't been looking at pornography whilst he was in the church, do you what i mean? how how you know what i mean? how how far go? far does your sympathy go? i appreciate it's tough and far does your sympathy go? i appawfule it's tough and far does your sympathy go? i appawful and it's tough and far does your sympathy go? i appawful and this tough and far does your sympathy go? i appawful and this has gh and it's awful and this has happened. how do we go happened. but how far do we go with because that's with this? because that's a really judgement. really poor judgement. >> i say, i have a lot >> well, as i say, i have a lot of sympathy for him, but he shouldn't done did. shouldn't have done what he did. he gone the he should have gone to the police. what police. ultimately, that's what you and understand you should do. and i understand again, comes again, the shame that comes across this, something across this, this is something that parties

that both political parties suspect have to suspect are going to have to come some sort of policy come up with some sort of policy on because get, you know, on because as we get, you know, new generations of mp5 that grew up social media up with social media and smartphones up with social media and smartphoneryou will get more up with social media and sma more 1eryou will get more up with social media and sma more mpsu will get more up with social media and sma more mp5 who .l get more up with social media and sma more mp5 who willt more up with social media and sma more mp5 who will haves up with social media and sma more mp5 who will have done and more mp5 who will have done this of thing, sent naked this sort of thing, sent naked pictures people when pictures to people either when they current they were younger or in current relationships, party is relationships, and the party is going to deal that, going to have to deal with that, you point they you know, at some point they might a prime minister might even be a prime minister who some has done this who at some point has done this to and there might be to somebody, and there might be therefore photos to somebody, and there might be the|there, photos to somebody, and there might be the|there, know, photos to somebody, and there might be the|there, know, andiotos to somebody, and there might be the|there, know, and it'ss out there, you know, and it's how those parties could you imagine, imagine? how those parties could you imel ine, imagine? how those parties could you imel think imagine? how those parties could you imel think this imagine? how those parties could you imel think this is imagine? how those parties could you imel think this is a imagine? how those parties could you imel think this is a realjine? how those parties could you imel think this is a real double >> i think this is a real double standard. you imagine if standard. could you imagine if that boris johnson? that had been boris johnson? yeah. imagine can yeah. like, can you imagine can you they would have yeah. like, can you imagine can you to they would have yeah. like, can you imagine can you to boris? they would have yeah. like, can you imagine can you to boris? no they would have yeah. like, can you imagine can you to boris? no theywould have done to boris? no one would have, boris was hounded and have, like boris was hounded and hounded and hounded. there was literally own ousted hounded and hounded. there was literiny own ousted hounded and hounded. there was literin a own ousted hounded and hounded. there was literin a coup, n ousted hounded and hounded. there was literin a coup, but ousted hounded and hounded. there was literin a coup, but thererted hounded and hounded. there was literin a coup, but there wasi him in a coup, but there was literally thought for his literally no thought for his mental or anything. i'm mental health or anything. i'm not defending just not defending anything. i'm just saying seem be. saying that we seem to be. >> i this man, first and >> i think this man, first and foremost need to foremost is a victim. we need to let its course. but let justice take its course. but talking double standards, i talking of double standards, i mean, imagine, mean, let's imagine, for example, wasn't example, that this wasn't a member of parliament. could member of parliament. this could have man. it could have been a gay man. it could have been a gay man. it could have been a woman who for have been a woman who was, for example, revenge example, the victim of revenge porn. had to

porn. we know we've had to change laws in recent years change our laws in recent years to this phenomenon to deal with this phenomenon of revenge porn. we wouldn't be sitting saying about sitting here now saying about that individual, oh, it's terrible that they, you know, got themselves into that situation, that images were shared, online. shared, were put online. >> what would you be saying? >> what would you be saying? >> i think what do you think we would. >> well, i think we would recognise that person is a victim of somebody else's egregious actions. in this case, obviously up to obviously a scam set up to undermine our members of parliament and, you know, whilst i absolutely agree he's made some terrible judgements personally, and your point about you just don't share bodily parts on the internet or over whatsapp groups, that is the case. but i do think, you know, we've got to look at this first and foremost, a man who is a victim. >> yeah. i mean, look, you know, obviously it is sort of embarrassing. i think where the line crosses me is when he's line crosses for me is when he's giving out other people's numbers. think that one of numbers. and i think that one of the main reasons why we're not heanng the main reasons why we're not hearing and everyone's being very sympathetic is because i think some, maybe some

very sympathetic is because i think high some, maybe some very sympathetic is because i think high profile ne, maybe some very sympathetic is because i think high profile people be some very sympathetic is because i think high profile people who ome very sympathetic is because i thircaught profile people who ome very sympathetic is because i thircaught up)file people who ome very sympathetic is because i thircaught up ine people who ome very sympathetic is because i thircaught up in this ople who ome very sympathetic is because i thircaught up in this ople they ome are caught up in this and they don't really want us to be talking again. >> clearly word. where do >> it's clearly a word. where do you the yes. nobody's you draw the line? yes. nobody's disagreeing victim, disagreeing that he's a victim, but mean that he but does that mean that he shouldn't be punished in some way, face way, shouldn't face repercussions you know, repercussions for, you know, breaking the trust of his colleagues know, colleagues for, you know, potentially giving away sensitive is sensitive information? where is the given away the line? have you given away state well, have state secrets? well, we have said he's a victim. >> i tell you where >> it's fine. i tell you where the in this case, the line is in this case, because i've you mentioned because i've got you mentioned those mp5 earlier, all of whom have petitions have faced recall petitions have actually as a result, voted actually been as a result, voted out parliament. exactly. actually been as a result, voted out thatliament. exactly. actually been as a result, voted out thatlianconstituents think that his constituents should arbiter this. >> okay. $- this. >> okay. listen, what do >> okay. well, listen, what do you views gb news macom you think gb views gb news macom william wragg has issued this statement. he said they had compromising on me. statement. he said they had compromising on me . they compromising things on me. they wouldn't leave me alone. they wouldn't leave me alone. they would for people. gave would ask for people. i gave them some numbers. all of them some numbers. not all of them. him to stop. he's them. i told him to stop. he's manipulated me and now i've hurt other got chatting to other people. i got chatting to a guy on an app and we exchanged pictures. we were meant to meet up pictures. we were meant to meet up for drinks, but then didn't. and then he started asking for numbers worried numbers of people. i was worried because me . he

because he had stuff on me. he gave me a whatsapp number which doesn't now . i've heard doesn't work now. i've heard people being weak, was people by being weak, i was scared, i mortified. i'm so sorry that my weakness has caused other people hurt. well, that his statement there. and that is his statement there. and listen to just to say that i have listened to people who've gone on this particular type of app' gone on this particular type of app, and actually it's pretty standard for people to be sending these of images. sending these sort of images. but the home office but coming up, the home office has offering staff trigger has been offering staff trigger support about wait support if they read about wait for . meanwhile, for it, slavery. meanwhile, civil servants threatening for it, slavery. meanwhile, civ stoprvants threatening for it, slavery. meanwhile, civstoprvants overaatening for it, slavery. meanwhile, civstoprvants over givingig for it, slavery. meanwhile, civstoprvants over giving arms to stop working over giving arms to stop working over giving arms to israel, our civil servants taking over . taking over. >> on patrick christys tonight , >> on patrick christys tonight, 9 to 11 pm, i expose the activist civil service. they're political. they're undermining government policy . but should government policy. but should they be sacked and devastating exclusive polling reveals whether or not the public want the government to release the details on how many asylum seeker sex offenders we have, and whether we should leave the

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looking forward to nana hosting dewbs& right no, dewbs& co. thank you. right no, but listen. on the protest, lee said tired of foreign said i'm tired of seeing foreign wars being brought to the streets of our capital. this should also, the should be stopped. also, the police need to take long, police need to take take a long, hard they hard look at themselves. they wonder they are. they're not wonder why they are. they're not respected, dress in a respected, yet they dress in a scruffy fred manner . it scruffy fred scuttle manner. it makes them look weak. and then they emulate it. i'm disgusted, robert said. i'm surprised that so many people managed to get time off work this afternoon in to order protest and on honey traps, chris says this happens everywhere. deal with the issue and stop inflating it. storm in and stop inflating it. storm in a teacup. and helen says, give the guy a break. everyone makes mistakes. he's apologised profusely. you might say profusely. you might not say that, he'd passed on that, ellen. if he'd passed on your next up the your number, but next up are the civil service taking control? i'm asking because civil servants overseeing arms servants who are overseeing arms exports to israel have requested to cease work immediately. and to cease work immediately. and to make matters worse , a gb news to make matters worse, a gb news exclusive has revealed that civil servants in the home

office are being offered trigger support if they're reminded of past traumas. whilst reading about slavery, you couldn't make this up. it's absolutely absurd. i'm going to start with you, benedict spence trigger trigger sports , au trigger support sports, au trigger support slavery. >> i mean , there are, of course, >> i mean, there are, of course, so many people working in the civil service who are direct victims of slavery because it's such a recent event. you know, i completely sympathise . no, completely sympathise. no, honestly, it's ridiculous. i think of those things think it's one of those things where very difficult where it's very difficult to know just excuse not know if it's just an excuse not to work, or if it's one to do any work, or if it's one of those things that people talk about they about fashionable ideas, they don't they it's very fashionable amongst don't they it's very fashionable amoisort of self—flagellating very sort of self—flagellating about being british, about the legacy the empire. never legacy of the empire. never mind, you know, the britain's role in ending slave trade. role in ending the slave trade. you know, just by the by you know, that's just by the by that's under bridge. that's water under the bridge. what is what what actually matters is what happened what done happened before, what was done in states, because in the united states, because this something that this is largely something that has been imported from the united states, the sort of the ongoing rhetoric over reparations and reparations and slavery. and i just something a just think it's something it's a penod just think it's something it's a period which the period over which actually the average very average person knows very little about. broadly they just know that was that it

that slavery was bad, that it happened some point, and happened at some point, and therefore feel sorry happened at some point, and theref

because it's a war. and every war involves violations of international law, international human rights law, because happens because that's what happens dunng because that's what happens during wars. they're messy. they're don't like they're ugly. if you don't like them, start them . them, don't start them. >> is the evidence >> tom, where is the evidence that civil servants are that these civil servants are going against british foreign policy? , from what i've policy? i mean, from what i've read, essentially they're trade union pieces that's there to represent their members, has concern about whether or not the legal advice which the government has not published. the attorney general , the the attorney general, the highest legal law officer in the land, has not shared with us, the public, what advice the government has had regarding weapons sales. and i think it's important to stress for our viewers and listeners, it's not the uk government that sells arms to israel. they agree export licenses that uk companies and why i get quite tired of some of these debates is it just seems to me that often what sits behind it is an anti—israel vibe to essentially stop exports to the companies . stop exports to the companies. like there's another agenda going on here. but coming back to the civil service, i mean,

i'm not in for civil service bashing, least because they bashing, not least because they don't a right to speak out don't have a right to speak out in in the way that we do, in public in the way that we do, for course, the for example. and of course, the politicians serve . politicians who they serve. benedict's absolutely right. you know, it's a long standing convention that civil servants advise, ministers decide. but i would say in the modern world, i think that myth needs to be broken. the idea that the civil service can be completely impartial on these. >> what? >> what? >> why not? well, because . well, >> why not? well, because. well, because they have a world view. i do think, by the way, did we volution didn't vote for them. >> we didn't vote have. >> we didn't vote have. >> which is why i think the answer well, what i'd like to see, actually, as i say, we need to blow open this myth of impartiality hasn't been around. i was adviser, political i was an adviser, political adviser in the first labour government in the department for education. around education. what i saw around me was excellent was some excellent civil servants, civil servants, but also civil servants, but also civil servants who had an agenda, sometimes minister servants who had an agenda, so theimes minister servants who had an agenda, so theimes what minister servants who had an agenda, so theimes what would inister servants who had an agenda, so theimes what would do ;ter servants who had an agenda, so theimes what would do isr of the day. what i would do is actually american actually introduce the american style , that when there's actually introduce the american stchange , that when there's actually introduce the american stchange of , that when there's actually introduce the american stchange of administration,ere's a change of administration, choose administration. top choose your administration. top three so from the three echelons. so from the permanent down to the

permanent secretary down to the director generals and the directors of policy, those three echelons in the british civil service should be opened up after election. a after an election. we have a change of government. they should by should be appointed by ministers. there's direct ministers. so there's a direct relationship between the ministers appointees. relationship between the min importantly, appointees. relationship between the min importantly, our appointees. relationship between the min importantly, our parliament, relationship between the min scrutinyntly, our parliament, relationship between the min scrutiny committees, iament, relationship between the min scrutiny committees, should the scrutiny committees, should have confirmation have a role in confirmation heanngs have a role in confirmation hearings backgrounds hearings so that the backgrounds of these individuals who are being are thoroughly being appointed are thoroughly looked . and if they're not looked into. and if they're not seen to be appropriately with the and the commitment the skill set and the commitment for on behalf of the country, then they obviously shouldn't be appointed to those roles. >> the question about >> but but the question about the why a lot of them the reason why a lot of them didn't want to do anything, they're potentially looking to strike over the israeli arms is because they're worried about their liable. of their being liable. any sort of civil liability they won't civil liability which they won't be bothering. i mean, well, this is question criminal is the question of criminal liability . festival very liability. festival is very unlikely so. liability. festival is very unlwell, so. liability. festival is very unlwell, all so. liability. festival is very unlwell, all i so. liability. festival is very unlwell, all i would say to that >> well, all i would say to that is the chilcot inquiry. if you look actually back to the chilcot inquiry, which obviously reported war that took reported on a war that took place this country was illegally taken in 2003. although taken into in 2003. although chilcot

taken into in 2003. although chillegality it. but one of the legality of it. but one of the legality of it. but one of the things actually that sticks out is that the then out in that era is that the then attorney general, lord goldsmith, to the labour government should have actually, given his legal advice to the cabinet, and the cabinet should have taken a decision and whether or not we should have gone into war against a un security council resolution all those years ago . i think there's those years ago. i think there's a very similar situation here. if there is concern that we're breaking international law, why is legal officer not is our highest legal officer not giving the advice to the prime minister in the cabinet and actually the prime minister being prepared to declassify that and in that information and put it in the public domain? >> think were to change >> i think if you were to change that precedent , because that precedent, because actually, moment, there that precedent, because ac no lly, moment, there that precedent, because ac no precedent moment, there that precedent, because ac no precedent that|ent, there that precedent, because ac no precedent that says there that precedent, because ac no precedent that says thate is no precedent that says that that advice be that legal advice has to be published, perhaps published, then perhaps that would that would be better. maybe that would be better. maybe that would lot more, a lot more would be a lot more, a lot more helpful if was more helpful if there was more transparency. but the transparency. but under the current system, actually, i don't that can don't think that you can therefore have civil servants saying necessarily, you saying we won't necessarily, you know, to work know, we're not prepared to work on the evidence on something when the evidence isn't in the domain. isn't out in the public domain. i think they can make i don't think that they can make

that and again, this is that call. and again, this is all something i'm going all on something that i'm going to on it. know to keep on saying it. i know that think that that people like to think that there solutions when it there are easy solutions when it comes to conflicts, but and people going this people are going to see this a lot as this century drags lot more as this century drags on. are incredibly messy on. wars are incredibly messy things. people break international time, things. people break inteiveryynal time, things. people break inteivery few time, things. people break inteivery few people time, things. people break inteivery few people actuallyie, things. people break inteivery few people actually get and very few people actually get punished throughout you punished throughout them. you better on the better make sure you're on the winning if you don't want winning side. if you don't want to. you know, if you don't want that to happen, it is. international courts are a tool of the strong to add extra punishment to those that are vanquished. you are vanquished. if you are unfortunate be, you unfortunate enough to be, you know, african know, the average african dictator balkans or dictator or in the balkans or something. maybe something. yes maybe, maybe you might the might get sent to the international criminal court. but speaking, but actually, broadly speaking, is be. is vladimir putin going to be. no, absolutely not. as xi jinping when china invades taiwan? that's going to taiwan? no, that's not going to happen. netanyahu happen. and benjamin netanyahu and of the israeli and no member of the israeli government ever going to be government are ever going to be found by international found guilty by an international court, absentia, court, maybe in absentia, but it's actual it's going to have no actual impact any of their lives. impact on any of their lives. >> well, because >> interesting as well, because i don't know i read this i don't know whether i read this correctly. i really wanted correctly. i was i really wanted to just but i thought to read it just but i thought we actually licensed quite a large amount qatar. is that

amount of arms to qatar. is that right? and then the lowest amount lot arms to amount we sell a lot of arms to we, sell arms. so what i'm we, we sell arms. so what i'm saying know what the saying is, you know what the very briefly is that i think it's something like it's a huge percentage qatar, but a tiny percentage to qatar, but a tiny percentage to qatar, but a tiny percentage so even percentage to israel. so even if you that you're helping by you think that you're helping by stopping to stopping whatever it is to israel other side, what israel on the other side, what about qatar and who about qatar and others who do not the not follow a lot of the international conventions that we need to follow? >> well, that's my point about gesture politics. to gesture politics. and just to put in perspective, i checked put it in perspective, i checked the figures earlier. we export in israel's imports of in terms of israel's imports of arms from around the world, just 0.01% of israeli military equipment is provided by this country. so i think we have to absolutely the same thing in perspective. >> yeah, i think so. and the civil service i don't think they understand, picture . so understand, the full picture. so i think it's very emotional. and actually if you're a civil servant, there is a civil servants code ought to servants code and you ought to be as simple as be impartial. it's as simple as that. if you can't the job, that. if you can't do the job, then do the job. but then don't do the job. but coming the male only private coming up, the male only private members garrick club, members club, the garrick club, could females become members could let females become members for the time in its

for the first time in its history. you think that we history. do you think that we should expect single clubs, should expect single sex clubs, or they're just or do you think they're just outdated

? 7 if ? if you've just 7 if you've just tuned in. where have you been? it's just coming up to 39 minutes after 6:00. you're thinking, what the hell is she doing there? i'm nana akua. i'm in for michelle dewberry. this is dewbs& and dewberry. this is dewbs& co and co company until co and keeping me company until seven. commentator seven. political commentator benedict spence and visiting professor at staffordshire university, tom buick. so the garrick club, it's now one step closer to admitting women members. for the first time in its the male only its history, the male only private club passed private members club passed a motion to accept the opinion of lord pannick, a british barrister, who said that the pronoun he is interchangeable with she. in the law, meaning the club's current rules already allow women to join and members of the club will now be given a

vote on whether to accept the opinion at an extraordinary general meeting. so do you think women should be allowed in or do you think that we should protect single sex clubs and start with you, tom. >> now, this is someone who's from the what i describe as the traditional left. you know, for me, woke is not left. i mean, i'm absolutely a universalist . i i'm absolutely a universalist. i hate segregation to my core. whether it's a hackney theatre that's having a black people only night because it's black history month or whether it's frankly a club that even if legally, of course, they can't just say that they're not open to women, give off the impression that it's just a man's club. i just don't believe in segregation and we shouldn't be giving. >> what about any oxygen? what about then? women? about refuges, then? for women? >> because that's >> absolutely. because that's about because that's about okay. well, because that's as a result of often crimes, you know, domestic violence. and it's absolutely right that we have spaces for people who have safe spaces for people who are the victims of those crimes. similarly, we could have man's refuges as well. mean, there refuges as well. i mean, there

is violence persecuted is domestic violence persecuted against men as well, just as as misandry . and there's misogyny. misandry. and there's misogyny. my misandry. and there's misogyny. my point is, we need to look at these issues in a universalist way. and private members clubs should be open to everyone. but at the end of the day, it's the price, isn't it? and also, the values that these clubs propagate the barrier , propagate is the real barrier, which people are not which is why most people are not going be the going to be joining the definition. >> they're not open to everybody. point is that everybody. the point is that they're point that they're the price point that discriminates. i think, what do you women afford that? >> no, i'm surprised >> no, i'm just surprised i can't afford can't afford it. can't afford i can't afford it. >> i can't afford it. never mind. women. exactly. want to mind. women. exactly. i want to know, earth are know, how on earth are these women are desperate join women that are desperate to join the club? women that are desperate to join the none club? women that are desperate to join the none of club? women that are desperate to join the none of usb? women that are desperate to join the none of us want go there. >> none of us want to go there. >> none of us want to go there. >> well, beard apparently >> well, mary beard apparently people who want to join the garrick emily maitlis, who are >> but emily maitlis, who are these men who joined the garrick club knowing well was club knowing full well it was single to discover that women surprised to discover that women aren't very aren't allowed and are very upset don't upset about this, i don't understand, i take your point about sort of about not wanting to sort of have enforced segregation, but actually have enforced segregation, but actu approach. some people do that approach. some people do prefer things. some prefer certain things. some people prefer an environment where or female.

where it is all male or female. in terms of their socialising. actually, you know, you talk to some and they have male some men and they have male female just female friends and some just have and women just have men and some women just have men and some women just have that's just their have women. that's just their personal and the personal preference. and the thing of be thing is, i'd sort of be a little bit more open to the argument if there weren't also lots mixed sex lots and lots of mixed sex private clubs in london. private members clubs in london. i'm a member of one. they exist. they're perfectly fine , and they're perfectly fine, and they're in many ways a lot more accessible than some of these single—sex spaces. you single—sex spaces. but you notice, no notice, of course, there's no great to be great clamour for men to be allowed join the university allowed to join the university women's which women's club, which is very exclusive difficult exclusive and very difficult to get into what this is. this is upper class women, upper middle class women, powerful women, wealthy women who get in the who want to basically get in the boys club. they want to give the boys club. they want to give the boys a bit of a bloody nose. they want to say, here is your toy, and can smash it and we toy, and we can smash it and we can away. oh, but you're can take it away. oh, but you're not for second not absolutely for a second going suggest should going to suggest that you should be allowed to join the university womanhood women's be allowed to join the univebecause1anhood women's be allowed to join the unive because 1anh

you know, average member of the pubuc public looks at and goes, who cares? many places cares? there are many places that join many other that you can join many other places you go. and places that you can go. and i can of a much greater way can think of a much greater way to evening going to spend my evening than going to spend my evening than going to club. to the garrick club. >> frankly, think you can. you >> frankly, i think you can. you know, should be you know, there should be if you look at same rates for male look at the same rates for male suicide between the of 50 suicide between the sort of 50 men between it's 50 men between i think it's 50 and 55, it's the biggest of 55, and it's the biggest race of men actually committing men who are actually committing suicide things like that. suicide and things like that. and having male spaces and i think having male spaces and okay. i and male clubs, that's okay. i don't really a problem with don't really have a problem with it. i don't why think it. i don't see why not. i think when then when we tread into race, then that's different issue. that's a whole different issue. but why the sexes, but i don't see why the sexes, because there are specific reasons why the sexes can be separated. would do separated. i would also, i do believe that are different believe that men are different to they should have to women and they should have their own space. i don't want to be. i don't want to go to your stuffy club anyway. >> i'm also a member of a of a single sex club and it must be said race, there's said in terms of race, there's absolutely question. absolutely no question. it's as multicultural as anything you could find london. could possibly find in london. it's accepting just it's very accepting that's just the it's not the one criteria. and it's not so the one criteria. and it's not 50 women the one criteria. and it's not so women can't pass through the one criteria. and it's not so doors. men can't pass through the one criteria. and it's not so doors. theycan't pass through the one criteria. and it's not so doors. they can. pass through the one criteria. and it's not so doors. they can. it's.s through the one criteria. and it's not so doors. they can. it's simplygh the doors. they can. it's simply a question membership. and a question of membership. and that's because it's the tradition. a very tradition. but it's a very

welcoming and inviting environment. i really don't see what issue. environment. i really don't see whtl issue. environment. i really don't see whtl don't;sue. environment. i really don't see whtl don't see. environment. i really don't see whtl don't see the issue >> i don't see the issue especially, you know, some clubs say trainers, no say no jeans, no trainers, no thing. i think sort of thing. i think if you sort of know very well, that would work. >> but still, think it's just >> but still, i think it's just yeah, mean, it's no secret the yeah, i mean, it's no secret the name are set up yeah, i mean, it's no secret the narall are set up yeah, i mean, it's no secret the narall sorts are set up yeah, i mean, it's no secret the narall sorts of are set up yeah, i mean, it's no secret the narall sorts of pastimes, set up yeah, i mean, it's no secret the narall sorts of pastimes, for up for all sorts of pastimes, for all sorts of interests that the great public have. and great british public have. and absolutely. was the absolutely. i mean, i was on the mothers side earlier. mothers union side earlier. i was bowled by the fact was bowled over by the fact there's welcoming there's a really welcoming statement that it's not statement saying that it's not just can join. just mothers that can join. the mothers can join mothers union says men can join married people, unmarried people. that's a very inclusive statement on their website, i think. join the mothers union? >> they'd probably not. >> they'd be probably not. >> they'd be probably not. >> think been captured >> i think they've been captured by trans activism by some maybe trans activism there, though do, because, you there, though i do, because, you know, say trans , by the way, know, you say trans, by the way, but i do feel there's some sort of capturing and there's some other of other agendas with some of those. tries make those. it tries to make it inclusive. those. it tries to make it incinana think it's just making >> nana i think it's just making the point. not the club the point. not least, the club is discriminatory. is specifically discriminatory. >> you >> it's meant to be, like you said, sewing club, the this said, the sewing club, the this club discrimination isn't always a it's simply a bad thing. it's just simply saying that this is the sort of person on that subject the person on that subject is the type can't remember person on that subject is the tywas can't remember person on that subject is the tywas white'scan't remember person on that subject is the tywas white's or1't remember person on that subject is the tywas white's or boodle's,ber

person on that subject is the tywas white's or boodle's, one it was white's or boodle's, one of male clubs, very of the all male clubs, very exclusive in london that of the all male clubs, very excl a ive in london that of the all male clubs, very excl a member in london that of the all male clubs, very excl a member who ondon that of the all male clubs, very excl a member who did)n that of the all male clubs, very excl a member who did transition had a member who did transition went female , and went from male to female, and this real uproar in the this caused real uproar in the club well, seeing as he club to say, well, seeing as he was when he joined and was a man when he joined and everybody agreed that he was an acceptable member, shouldn't that have been the criteria? >> he was able to >> so actually he was able to keep his membership, and i think he only two female he was one of only two female members, the other one being the queen, a technicality. queen, based on a technicality. so know who's to these so you know who's to say these places progressive places aren't very progressive and inviting? >> they are. well, >> i think they are. well, listen, some of comments listen, some of the comments have says with have come in, susan says with reference women being allowed reference to women being allowed into do mind into men's clubs. i do not mind men having spaces, men having their own spaces, just be allowed men having their own spaces, jushave be allowed men having their own spaces, jushave too. be allowed men having their own spaces, jushave too. this be allowed men having their own spaces, jushave too. this is be allowed men having their own spaces, jushave too. this is a be allowed men having their own spaces, jushave too. this is a slipperyned to have too. this is a slippery slope. there on slope. i'm with you there on that, john says. no, they are not don't get not outdated. i just don't get the argument for getting rid of them. would you join them. why would you want to join one you agree with one if you don't agree with them? your own exactly , them? start your own exactly, arkady don't think women arkady says, i don't think women will to men's clubs. will want to go to men's clubs. all you'll is a load of men all you'll see is a load of men sucking thumbs and sucking their thumbs and complaining that women are taking me a woman taking over. give me a woman club any day where we'll all be jumping up and down and having a great exactly. margaret

great time. exactly. margaret said. men's club. leave said. it's a men's club. leave them alone to enjoy it. stop interfering with people's choices and jed says this is pure envy and resentment. i'd agree with that. and richard said, if women join the men only garrick club, doesn't that defeat women defeat their argument for women only kind of with only spaces? i'm kind of with you. slope , slippery you. slippery slope, slippery slope. and mary says, i not slope. and mary says, i do not see only see a problem with men, only clubs. are so sad clubs. if men are so sad that they need exclusive men's they need an exclusive men's only, then let them. i don't understand women are so understand why women are so insecure that are worried insecure that they are worried about of thing. tell about this sort of thing. tell the to get life the women to get a life interesting. real support for interesting. no real support for non that sort of thing, but good.i non that sort of thing, but good. i agree with you. totally. listen, coming up, one woman has said that she wouldn't dare date a tory. the increasing a tory. with the increasing ideological between young a tory. with the increasing ideoland al between young a tory. with the increasing ideoland women between young a tory. with the increasing ideoland women ,between young a tory. with the increasing ideoland women , would n young a tory. with the increasing ideoland women , would you ung a tory. with the increasing ideoland women , would you date men and women, would you date someone with

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great. joining me for more. fabulous. this is good, isn't it? i love this. well, listen, i've nana akua. i'm in for michelle dewberry now. keep me company seven. political company until seven. political commentator benedict spence and also at also visiting professor at staffordshire university, tom buick. and so, as you know, the tavern hopefully you've tavern is open. hopefully you've got drink home got yourself a drink at home as well. right so now, should politics affect who you date ? politics affect who you date? one woman has written in the times that she swipes left. if men put conservative in their dating bios, meaning she dating bios, meaning that she wouldn't want to date them. it comes as new analysis by the economist shows that men aged 18 to 29 are more likely to be conservative, whilst more young women are likely to be liberal. so would you want to date someone with opposing political views spence views to you? benedict spence i mean, the pool would be pretty small if i wasn't able to date people who didn't agree with me on everything. >> i think though, that that kind of thing, when people say, oh, i'd never voted to her, i find that very helpful. it sort of self—selecting. they're of self—selecting. yeah. they're taking themselves out of the dating honestly, dating pool for me. honestly,

though, a bit though, i think it's a bit childish , isn't it? and i think. childish, isn't it? and i think. do you think. i think it is. i think sign of that sort think it's a sign of that sort of immaturity that these younger generations, these generations, i say these like i'm it, that i'm not part of it, that certainly generation and certainly my generation and others is that these others have, which is that these things things that you things are things that you cannot a and b that cannot overcome. a and b that your political opinions can never and this is never change, and that this is who forever. but, you who you are forever. but, you know, course, this has know, of course, this has come amidst this polling that's finding moving finding that women are moving left are moving left wing and men are moving right if that is right wing. well, if that is broadly as a trend, well , broadly true as a trend, well, women like this, this, this lady in they're, they're in the times they're, they're she's just going to have to suck it up because odds are the it up because the odds are the person she ends up with person that she ends up with will slightly further the will be slightly further to the right is. right than she is. >> valance thing >> well, the holly valance thing where that basically where she said that basically you're until you you're a raving leftie until you get a bit and then look to get a bit older and then look to buy house and invest in buy a house and invest in things, then realise what things, then you realise what rubbish ideas they are. tom. >> see >> well, viewers be able to see i'm of the i'm not exactly part of the younger i'm not younger generation and i'm not in game. in the dating game. >> 34. what are you talking >> i'm 34. what are you talking about? >> i'm 34. what are you talking aboyou're in the game . >> you're not in the game. >> you're not in the game. >> add a couple of decades to

that benedict. but you know, look, i mean, when i read this story, quite a culpa story, quite a mea culpa by blanca schofield, year old in blanca schofield, 26 year old in the about her 17 the times talking about her 17 year self. and sort of year old self. and it sort of reminded me of my year old reminded me of my 22 year old self at university when was self at university when i was many , many moons the many, many moons ago, the president club. president of the labour club. and shan't mentioned the and i shan't mentioned the political party, but have political party, but i did have rather a fling with my opposite number, who was the chair and president of another political party. and, you know, some of the best conversation at university i ever had took place dunng university i ever had took place during that so i would during that period. so i would definitely encourage drop the tribal you love tribal banners if you love somebody or if you like somebody, or if you want to have a conversation with them and they necessarily agree they don't necessarily agree with should promoting with you, we should be promoting that. that would irritate >> oh no, that would irritate me. sorry. i'd like, me. i'm sorry. i'd be like, you're stupid. i couldn't you're just stupid. i couldn't bear it. >> there a stereotype that >> isn't there a stereotype that women the idea of women quite like the idea of changing women quite like the idea of chaso ng you could look at >> so maybe you could look at a conservative man and take it as a challenge? >> no, no. maybe that's the woman the people that woman that all the people that you have a choice it's you won't have a choice if it's me because i'm very disagreeable. me because i'm very disadon'tble. me because i'm very disa don't want to change you don't want to change somebody. love somebody. you've got to love them as they are. and if they're

not then just someone not that, then just find someone who i think who you like. now, i think i would find it difficult dating somebody who was extremely left wing, of wing, because i think some of the ideas are the left wing ideas are ridiculous, all this ridiculous, like all this critical race theory could have been thing. they'll be been another thing. they'll be talking ears. i will talking to me in my ears. i will be by that. be triggered by that. >> you back >> but when you look back over the decades, not the decades, it's not particularly husbands the decades, it's not partwivesy husbands the decades, it's not part wives or husbands the decades, it's not part wives or partners,|usbands the decades, it's not part wives or partners, civil nds and wives or partners, civil partners, have different political views. in fact, one of the things that always surprises me, you know, when the psephologists move in after a big democratic event like the brexit in 2016, brexit referendum in 2016, and you couples who you see all these couples who appear tv saying, well, appear on tv saying, well, i voted to leave, voted remain , voted to leave, i voted remain, yet they're still married, they're still together. they disagree fundamental disagree on a very fundamental constitutional issue that this country years country faced all those years ago . but the fact is, you know, ago. but the fact is, you know, surely love's got to transcend some of these. >> well, listen, let's see what people have been saying. >> danny your politics >> danny says your politics reflect values. so not reflect your values. so not dating with a very dating someone with a very different political outlook, dating someone with a very differitlt political outlook, dating someone with a very differit make tical outlook, dating someone with a very differit make you outlook, dating someone with a very differit make you intolerant? it does it make you intolerant? it just makes you incompatible. hean just makes you incompatible. hear, i'd only hear, hear. sean said i'd only dated women. who has her own opinions. so how about it? nana?

ha ha. very good. yeah. take me, take me. i'm single. how about this? craig says i would never, ever date someone with opposing political love the political views. i love the quiet much to be quiet life too much to be arguing every day and night. i should've said i married my wife with opposing political views, but i turned to her the light. turned the and to turned her to the light and to the yesi turned her to the light and to the yes i think he means the left. yes i think he means the left. yes i think he means the right. maybe not the light, i get it. and chris says, but thatis i get it. and chris says, but that is the light, to be fair. and chris says, i certainly and then chris says, i certainly wouldn't someone the wouldn't date someone of the opposite political persuasion, wouldn't date someone of the opp mya political persuasion, wouldn't date someone of the opp mya polwouldn't;uasion, wouldn't date someone of the opp mya polwouldn't;uasiorit , but my wife wouldn't allow it, very good. and lots of other views coming up. i just want to read this one about the civil service. amy, annie says any civil servant who threatens to go on strike over government politics should sacked politics should be sacked immediately . politics should be sacked immediately. no politics should be sacked immediately . no ifs or buts, immediately. no ifs or buts, anneliese says, quote, for my husband, civil service walk out. they need to walk in. interesting so here. here to the towers. be nice. it's been a great, great, great. >> thank you. nana. >> thank you. nana. >> as a wise man once said, vote labour sleep tory. but can you

guess who that was? no. who was it? it's oswald mosley, so perhaps advice, perhaps don't take that advice, but like seems like but it looks like it seems like we're labour we're in for a labour government, isn't it? government, though, isn't it? >> were t shirts >> and there were those t shirts that being widely worn at a that were being widely worn at a labour not many years labour conference not many years ago, never kissed ago, i called. i'd never kissed ago, i called. i'd never kissed a tory. remind me of. and of course, some of you is who remember blackpool kiss me remember the blackpool kiss me quick it was sort i quick hats. it was sort of, i think, a bit of a send up of that. but generally don't like that. but i generally don't like this you attack people this idea that you attack people purely on the idea of their sort of political beliefs. that's not a value. a british value. >> attack them. don't >> don't attack them. just don't don't them if they don't go out with them if they have views, it's have opposing views, it's probably have quiet have opposing views, it's probwell, have quiet have opposing views, it's probwell, i've have quiet have opposing views, it's probwell, i've got have quiet have opposing views, it's probwell, i've got to ve quiet have opposing views, it's probwell, i've got to say quiet life. well, i've got to say a big thank you to my panel. benedict spence , benedict, thank benedict spence, benedict, thank you so much forjoining me. and also thank you very also tom bewick. thank you very much as well. and you at home for your company. listen, i'm back tomorrow for my show three till make you join me till six. make sure you join me then. got loads to then. we've got loads to discuss. talking more then. we've got loads to discusthis talking more then. we've got loads to discusthis whole talking more then. we've got loads to discusthis whole civilng more then. we've got loads to discusthis whole civil service. about this whole civil service. and to whether they should be and as to whether they should be making our behalf. making decisions on our behalf. but up it's time for lee but up next, it's time for lee anderson. don't forget, you can

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