gb news. >> a very good afternoon to you. >> a very good afternoon to you. >> it's 3 pm. >> welcome to the martin daubney show on news. show on gb news. >> we're broadcasting, >> and we're broadcasting, of course, the heart of course, live from the heart of westminster all across the uk on today's show. >> is it time for more lenient sentences? >> well, judges are being told to consider softer punishments for those who are from disadvantaged backgrounds. >> has two tier policing become a two tier judiciary, and will this be a thugs charter? >> next up , sunak has claimed >> next up, sunak has claimed he's going to leave the echr . he's going to leave the echr. >> the prime minister threatens to quit the european court of human rights over his rwanda plans if the flights don't take off. but the big question is this do you believe a single word he says? >> i've had 600 comments on this so far, and let's just face it,

people don't seem to trust rishi on this whatsoever . on this whatsoever. >> next up, a labour super majority surge. >> while a poll reveals that 11 tory cabinet ministers will be wiped out at the next general election and starmer's party will win 400 seats, 75% of all people in the commons could be labour and does that now make them simply unstoppable ? them simply unstoppable? >> and as a wrexham football fan, is handed a three year ban for shouting abuse at english fans, which i thought was fair enoughis fans, which i thought was fair enough is a desire to crack down on hooliganism now a threat to free speech? >> have the terraces gone, woke and that's all coming in your next action packed hour. >> welcome to the show. >> welcome to the show. >> always an absolute joy to have your computer. we've got so much to sink our teeth into today. >> e’- f the list. >> top of the list. >> top of the list. >> do you believe rishi sunak,

when he he would leave the when he says he would leave the european court human rights, european court of human rights, were flights to be were the rwanda flights to be grounded? i ask you this about an hour ago. let's just say there's not a great deal of comfort out there prime comfort out there for the prime minister empty words is what it seems i will have seems to be. i will have a series of legal experts on the show over the next three hours, pointing out the echr isn't the problem. the problem is politicians lacking the guts to actually to stand up the european court of human rights. and we already could do that if we just cracked on. get in touch with that, email the usual ways gb views news. com plus, gb views at gb news. com plus, what about this two tiered sentencing? is right that sentencing? is it right that people from poor or disadvantaged and people from poor or disadvthis ged and people from poor or disadvthis those and people from poor or disadvthis those who and people from poor or disadvthis those who claim and people from poor or disadvthis those who claim toi check this those who claim to have experienced depression like we know where that's going . they we know where that's going. they could get softer sentencing, two tiered judiciary, the idea we're all equal before the law kicked to matchwood in the name of progressive politics. is this creating a thugs charter? get in touch the usual ways gbviews@gbnews.com. let's kick

off the show with your latest news headlines and it's time for sam francis. >> martin, thank you very much and good afternoon from the gb newsroom. it'sjust and good afternoon from the gb newsroom. it's just after 3:00 and we start this hour with some breaking news that's come into us in the last half hour or so, that mastermind armed that the mastermind of an armed robbery ended robbery 19 years ago that ended in police officer being shot in a police officer being shot dead, has today found dead, has today been found guilty of her murder. pc sharon beshenivsky was killed by piran ditta khan in 2005. the 38 year old died after interrupting a raid at a family run travel agency in bradford, and she had at the time only been an officer in the force for nine months. khan flew to pakistan two months after the murder and remained at large until he was arrested in 2020. he's the last of seven men who were involved in that robbery to be convicted . he was robbery to be convicted. he was found guilty at leeds crown

court today and, we understand, will be sentenced at a later date . in other news, the prime date. in other news, the prime minister says that britain could pull out of the european convention on human rights if it obstructs the government's rwanda plan. rishi sunak says that controlling illegal migration is more important than membership in the echr, and that he would not let what he called the foreign court interfere in sovereign matters . labour, sovereign matters. labour, though, has accused the prime minister of trying to appease the hard right in the conservative party more than 600 british legal experts, including three former supreme court judges, are calling on the uk to stop selling arms to israel. they say there's a plausible risk that the weapons may be used to commit serious violations of international law, and that the prime minister must change britain's policy. we've heard this afternoon that leicester city council has said that sensitive information has been posted online by a known ransomware group after it was stolen from the council in a

cyber attack . the local cyber attack. the local authority was the victim of a hack last month, forcing it to shut down its it systems. it's confirmed that confidential documents have now been published by that group of hackers , including rent hackers, including rent statements and id. id details . statements and id. id details. the group is known to have attacked a number of other government , education and health government, education and health care organisations, the care organisations, and the national cyber security centre is now involved in that ongoing criminal investigation. british farmers are calling for a guaranteed basic income after post—brexit arrangements left many worse off. at least 100 have joined a campaign group urging the government to help cover basic costs after the loss of subsidies from the european union analysis last year by the organic farming group riverford found that half of britain's fruit and vegetable growers may go out of business within just a yean go out of business within just a year, and it comes as suppliers are warning of higher prices and possible empty supermarket shelves post—brexit shelves due to a new post—brexit border charge, which will be

introduced at the end of this month. judges have been told to consider more lenient sentences for offenders from either depnved for offenders from either deprived or difficult backgrounds. the sentencing council, which sets guidelines for judges and magistrates, has forjudges and magistrates, has forjudges and magistrates, has for the first time outlined mitigating factors that it says courts should consider before handing down a sentence. those factors include poverty, low education, discrimination and insecure housing. but critics say that the law should treat everyone equally, with justice secretary alex chalk describing the guidelines as patronising and, he says, inaccurate . the and, he says, inaccurate. the french president says that he has no doubt that russia will target the paris olympics this summer, threatening the security of the games. emmanuel macron was speaking during an event in paris this afternoon for the inauguration of the new olympics aquatic centre. russian and belarusian athletes are set to compete at the games as so—called neutrals. this year, amid tensions following russia's invasion of ukraine to taiwan, now, where dozens of people are

still missing and ten people are now known to have died after a major earthquake there, people have been urged to keep clear of mountainous areas due to the risk possible falling rocks risk of possible falling rocks following the quake. more than a thousand people have suffered injuries, with nervous residents experiencing experiencing more than 300 aftershocks. however emergency workers have been commended for their quick response , with some shelters up response, with some shelters up in operation within just two hours of the major quake . hours of the major quake. weather news and strong winds and heavy rain are set to hit parts of britain this weekend. as storm kathleen rolls in, it's the 11th named storm in just eight months. gusts of up to 70 miles an hour are expected on saturday, along the west coast of england, with 50 mile an hour winds also expected in other areas. the met office is urging people to take care, with coastal areas also expected to see some large waves. and finally, before we head back to martin in westminster, the world's oldest man has died

today, just two months before. would you believe it? he could have celebrated his 115th birthday. juan vicente perez was born in venezuela in 1909, nearly 20 years before the first radio station started broadcasting there. well, there have been six british monarchs dunng have been six british monarchs during his long lifetime and 20 us presidents. his death was announced by the governor of the region where he lived, who described him as a humble, a hardworking and peaceful man . hardworking and peaceful man. that's the latest from the newsroom for now. i'll be back in the next half hour. until then, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the code on your screen or go to gb news alerts on our website. now though, to . martin. though, it's back to. martin. >> thank you sam. right loathe to get stuck into today . let's to get stuck into today. let's get cracking. and first topic is this judges have been told to consider more lenient sentences for offenders from deprived or

difficult backgrounds . and it difficult backgrounds. and it comes from the sentencing council who are responsible for advising judges and magistrates across and the across the land and the guidelines on difficult and or depnved guidelines on difficult and or deprived backgrounds state that these factors include poverty, low educational attainment, experience of discrimination and even insecure housing. but all these really valid reasons to get away with crimes . well, i'm get away with crimes. well, i'm now joined by that man, christopher hope, our political editor in the studio in westminster. chris, great to have you back in the studio , have you back in the studio, surely concept of equality surely the concept of equality before the law is sacrosanct to any functioning democracy. the idea that people might get soft soaping if they come from a disadvantaged background, that runs counter to what we all understand to be true and proper. >> of course everyone's equal. hi martin, before the law, everyone is equal, but equally you can allow for mitigating factors which may have meant that someone went down to a

different a more criminal path in their lives. different a more criminal path in their lives . and that's what in their lives. and that's what we're looking at here. it's called the sentencing council . called the sentencing council. it sets a strategy and guidance for judges to allow them to ensure that they're jailing the right people . the guidance that right people. the guidance that came out came out on monday , came out came out on monday, made clear that leon leon sentences for offenders from depnved sentences for offenders from deprived or difficult backgrounds should be allowed to and that why are they and understand that why are they making those choices in their lives? they're looking at personal backgrounds, poverty, low attainment , low educational attainment, experience of discrimination, insecure came in on insecure housing came in on monday. the alex schalk, who is the justice secretary, clearly is not happy about it, but he can't do much about it. for me, it's the judges taking control of situation where the jails in england and wales are 98% full, they need to act to make sure that the jails aren't full to bursting. so they're doing their own their own, own ways by bringing their own, their here do their own guidance. here we do have a sensing bill proposed in last november's , king's speech last november's, king's speech

that said that no one will be jailed for less than a year. we're going to grasp the nettle, to quote the government at the time. it's been grasped time. well, it's been grasped and happened because time. well, it's been grasped an�*things happened because time. well, it's been grasped an�*things stand, happened because time. well, it's been grasped an�*things stand, as ppened because time. well, it's been grasped an�*things stand, as manyd because time. well, it's been grasped an�*things stand, as many asecause time. well, it's been grasped an�*things stand, as many as 40 use as things stand, as many as 40 odd tory mps led by suella braverman. yep that's her again. she wants to amend that, that those it's much those measures. so it's much harder to people and not harder to release people and not jail than a year. jail them for less than a year. the problem is there aren't enough prison spaces, and for me , the judges are getting on with deaung dealing with that crisis. >> think is going >> here's what i think is going to happen. >> tell me. >> you tell me. >> you tell me. >> yeah, think lawyers will >> yeah, i think lawyers will look and they'll be look at this and they'll be licking lips prove licking their lips to prove discrimination , even to concoct discrimination, even to concoct it to it some topspin it or to give it some topspin experience of discrimination. straight away i was saying, okay, client is from a bame okay, my client is from a bame background that will tick box. background that will tick a box. my background that will tick a box. my client was on free school meals. they are tick box for meals. they are tick a box for meals. they are tick a box for me this represents a race to the bottom. it represents a quest for victimhood. it represents i think, a thugs charter. because what if you live in the same neighbourhood as these people, and you also experience the same disadvantages, but you're the

one having your house robbed and you're seeing those people getting soft soap by the judges, and does mean that law and does it mean that law abiding, hardworking middle class taxpayers, get class taxpayers, they'll get the book at them? book thrown at them? >> this is guidance forjudges. >> this is guidance for judges. it's not for lawyers to try and use to support their case. lawyers might be aware of the broad ballpark in terms of guidance and support, but it's up to judges to interpret what they see and weigh up the impact on maybe a victim living close to a thug, as you describe, or someone who's been in charge of mugging or whatever it might be on trial for mugging . let's work on trial for mugging. let's work out where they are. is it appropriate jail person? appropriate to jail that person? put to keep put in new orders in to keep them them? it's a way, put in new orders in to keep tithink them? it's a way, put in new orders in to keep tithink of them? it's a way, put in new orders in to keep tithink of dealing hem? it's a way, put in new orders in to keep tithink of dealing with’ it's a way, put in new orders in to keep tithink of dealing with at's a way, i think of dealing with a problem overcrowded problem of overcrowded jails, and is also allowing maybe and it is also allowing maybe for if you are, if you're from a black asian minority ethnic black or asian minority ethnic background, and why can't you say, i've had i've been say, well, i've had i've been arrested more than i might if i was white and therefore and that may made us more angry may have made us more angry with the a bearing on on how the police. a bearing on on how you're behaving. you don't agree with me? >> no. i actually think that

you're proving my point. but by by by allowing the, the, the kind of osmosis, the taking on board of oppression as a way of mitigating against a sentencing . mitigating against a sentencing. >> it has happened, isn't it? i mean, some of this has happened, this discrimination against people has them down, people has forced them down, maybe path. they maybe a more violent path. they might have taken if they hadn't been. >> we could just build more jails. but we have to move on. and that topic is rishi sunak rattling saying if rattling his sabre, saying if the don't take off for a the flights don't take off for a wander, which, by the way, you've still got a single pint of which think remains of beer, which i think remains safe. safe remains safe. safe? it's safe remains safe. safe? it's safe remains safe. pint beer. if safe. a single pint of beer. if that beer were touch that pint of beer were to touch the minister's then , the prime minister's lips, then, then he'd be calling the boys at then he'd be calling the boys at the threatening to the echr, threatening to pull out . out. >> he doesn't a course of >> he doesn't drink a course of pint for him. pint >> he doesn't drink a course of pilbeer for him. pint >> he doesn't drink a course of pilbeer for for him. pint >> he doesn't drink a course of pilbeer for me. for him. pint >> he doesn't drink a course of pilbeer for me. it for him. pint >> he doesn't drink a course of pilbeer for me. it was1im. pint >> he doesn't drink a course of pilbeer for me. it was an. pint >> he doesn't drink a course of pilbeer for me. it was a bet,nt of beer for me. it was a bet, wasn't it? we made the bet, i think, in september last year, in defence, maybe the may in my defence, maybe the may election , it would have been election, it would have been safe. i'm not sure what's so safe. i'm not sure what's so safe the november election, safe with the november election, he viewers. sun he told sun viewers. sun

newspaper youtube newspaper viewers on youtube last night. the prime minister, i that border i do believe that border security making that we security and making sure that we can illegal migration is can control illegal migration is more than membership more important than membership of a foreign court, because it was fundamental to our was it's fundamental to our sovereignty as a country. the foreign court is european court of human rights. that's the court with 40 or so judges, some of whom are british, which has ruled to stop flight, people arriving illegally by boat, being taken out of this country and flown to rwanda. that battle starts again, i expect, after april 18th, when i expect the rwanda bill to become a law , and rwanda bill to become a law, and then the judges of the courts, when they and the lawyers will get stuck it. get stuck into it. >> you think is kite >> do you think this is kite flying? bit of red flying? it's a nice bit of red meat throw to throw the meat to throw to throw to the red oh, he's red wall. oh, great. he's talking tough. will horrify, talking tough. it will horrify, of course, shire tories, but of course, the shire tories, but is it just performative? do you think there's any actual appetite? you ask them, appetite? well, if you ask them, the echr ask number 10 what they meant it. meant by it. >> i did you for gb news >> and i did you for gb news today, number that the today, number 10 said that the pm if it came to it, pm is saying if it came to it, if it to it, and the echr if it came to it, and the echr was rwanda, we would

was a block on rwanda, we would consider considerable consider leaving considerable being the operative word. and consider there's two conditionals in that sentence. so is saying so i think clearly he is saying perhaps what gb news viewers want to hear. and listeners and sun readers and sun viewers. but would that would he actually go and not everyone agrees and do that? not everyone agrees with him. jonathan gullace, by the deputy chairman the way, the deputy chairman of the way, the deputy chairman of the party, that this the party, he said that this means will quit the means that britain will quit the echr that's what it takes to echr if that's what it takes to stop the small boats, sunak says. so tells the sun readers clearly, those on the right of the are this as the party are seeing this as a commitment, there isn't. commitment, but there isn't. maybe you talk to maybe there. if you talk to number 10 there's that small number 10 and there's that small but word if and but important word if and consider so clearly consider quite right. so clearly were we to fight the election election on echr withdrawal as a black and white issue, many tories wouldn't be wouldn't be campaigning for him. >> so great. so great to have you back in the studio, chopper >> so great. so great to have you we'llin the studio, chopper >> so great. so great to have you we'll see |e studio, chopper >> so great. so great to have you we'll see you udio, chopper >> so great. so great to have you we'll see you of o, chopper >> so great. so great to have you we'll see you of course,3er and we'll see you of course, throughout join throughout the show. well, join me now is james treadwell. he's a criminology at a professor of criminology at staffordshire university. and we're back to our we're going to go back to our top there. and that is the top story there. and that is the reviewing of sentencing

reviewing of the sentencing council recommendations. james, what do you make this? what do you make of this? you've probably just heard our conversation here. i believe it creates two tiers before the law. i think it creates the opportunity for phoney oppression, concocting oppression, for concocting stories to get off jail. what's your take? >> i think there's some truth in that, martin. and i think christopher was right in many ways what effect, we're ways that what in effect, we're having here. and it's odd from the sentencing council, which is supposed largely remain sort supposed to largely remain sort of apolitical, that there in effect, giving the government a get out of jail free card here because the government haven't got places effect got enough jail places in effect , this has been a crisis that's been coming for a very, very long time. >> a prison population is at a record high. >> we're running out of prison capacity. simply, even >> we're running out of prison ca people simply, even >> we're running out of prison capeople deserve simply, even >> we're running out of prison ca people deserve to ;imply, even >> we're running out of prison ca people deserve to go 3ly, even >> we're running out of prison ca people deserve to go to, even >> we're running out of prison ca people deserve to go to jailzn if people deserve to go to jail and merit those sentences , we're and merit those sentences, we're having to find ways to release them early, to , to stop them them early, to, to stop them from from being put into prison custody. it's incredibly disingenuous to, to voters at the same time to continually say

that, in effect, you're being tough on crime because in all sorts of other areas, we're not being tough on crime at all. let's also think about policing and the direction that policing is taken. the clear up rates for crime are absolutely abysmal. there are activities and criminal activities that are largely now decriminalised , in largely now decriminalised, in effect, that you know, where the law simply isn't enforced. and people, i think, are rightly going to see it and think, what on earth is going on in the criminal justice system ? and for criminal justice system? and for all the kind of rhetoric from both sides politically, there's very little effectively being donein very little effectively being done in terms of bringing forward solutions or looking at how we've got into the situation that we're in. >> james, i think you absolutely got to the cusp of this in one sentence, giving the government a get out of jail card. in fact, our political editor for, chris hope nodded profusely. he's got a question for you, james treadwell. >> yeah, i'm in the studio here with martin. just to ask to with martin. just to ask you, to what you think judges

what extent do you think judges are going of the politics? are going ahead of the politics? we've this sentencing bill we've had this sentencing bill on the on the ready to go since the king's speech in november. it's downing it's now stuck in downing street, understand it, street, as we understand it, because dozens of tory because it's got dozens of tory mps trying to make it so you can't release criminals after, you can jail for , for less than you can jail for, for less than a year. our judges here going a year. ourjudges here going ahead of the politics, they're saying, let's get on with this. we can't jail everyone. let's find reasons not to jail some criminals . criminals. >> i think that message is perhaps being picked up a little bit in in crown courts, although there restriction in there is more restriction in crown courts . the interesting crown courts. the interesting thing you thing in some ways is if you look the government did , look at what the government did, they they magistrates in they they gave magistrates in particular the power to, to sentence people to an extended penod sentence people to an extended period of prison custody sentences up to 12 months and gradually they've eroded those powers and taken them back as well. so so and you've got to remember that the, the majority of those who are processed through our criminal courts aren't processed through our crown crown courts crown courts or crown courts with tend to take the crown courts or crown courts with serious end to take the crown courts or crown courts

with serious offender|ke the crown courts or crown courts with serious offender .e the crown courts or crown courts with serious offender. there's a most serious offender. there's a huge backlog in the crown courts , as it is very often they're deaung , as it is very often they're dealing with very, very serious offences where when it comes to conviction, there is no there is no debate really about where individuals are going to go, those who are going to be convicted in the old bailey today are, and likely today are, by and large, likely today are, by and large, likely to custody. the to go to prison custody. the interesting thing is what's happening magistrates happening in the magistrates courts . and i think there the, courts. and i think there the, the guidance from the sentencing council is much more likely to be taken on board and used. and in effect, though , those are the in effect, though, those are the courts that deal with the vast majority , the vast tranche of majority, the vast tranche of criminal behaviour that we see criminal behaviour that we see criminal damage , damage to criminal damage, damage to people's cars, people. i just before i came to do this interview, i walked around an affluent area in birmingham . i affluent area in birmingham. i saw three people riding down the street without street on motorbikes without motorcycle helmets. it happened so frequently and so frequent, frequently and regularly. nowadays, because the roads aren't policed . and my roads aren't policed. and my final point would be, you know,

lots of people will say that there is no you know, there's no evidence deterrence works . but evidence deterrence works. but in effect, when you have a criminal justice system that isn't operating, that isn't passing any sort of sanction , passing any sort of sanction, where people have no fear of apprehension and prosecution , apprehension and prosecution, largely because it simply doesn't happen very frequently anymore . or if it does, it's so anymore. or if it does, it's so delayed into the future. you know, then you see many of these kind of low level crimes that that blight communities, in effect , play out over and over effect, play out over and over again. and just one final thing to say, which martin was absolutely right about and doesn't get said enough. the real impact of this is not felt in affluent middle class communities . it's felt in the communities. it's felt in the poorest and most impoverished communities, largely in urban city centres where the victims of the offenders look exactly the same as the offenders themselves. but very often don't turn to crime. the communities that are blighted by anti—social behaviour are the poorest communities. they are the ones with the greatest disadvantages

at the moment. already the ones that already suffer high levels of deprivation . but of course, of deprivation. but of course, not everybody in those communities, many of them lead very legitimate, law abiding lives and they want to see something done about the individuals that blight their lives and what's coming from on high from the criminal justice system doesn't seem to be effective, and that's creating political apathy. and people are losing faith. >> well, james, whatever coffee you're drinking , >> well, james, whatever coffee you're drinking, i'd love >> well, james, whatever coffee you're drinking , i'd love one of you're drinking, i'd love one of them. you've been absolutely bang on, mate. fantastic stuff. james treadwell, professor of criminology at staffordshire university. and, chris, i reckon those lads on the motorbikes will claim they were will probably claim they were oppressed school and force oppressed at school and force wants a and that's wants to wear a hat and that's why they'd trying to get off. why they'd be trying to get off. that's think kind that's what i think the kind of chaos created this chaos will be created by this sort system. what a cracking sort of system. what a cracking start to the show now. we'll have lots more that story have lots more on that story throughout of the show , throughout the rest of the show, and of coverage and there's plenty of coverage on gbnews.com and on our website gbnews.com and you've helped to make it the fastest growing national news website in the country. thank

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course for a 1997 style electoral wipe—out. seat by seat analysis by yougov suggests labour would sweep to power with 403 seats, handing them a massive supermajority of 154, almost twice what boris johnson got now. good news for keir starmer, who's also marking four years today as labour leader and a remarkable turnaround and of his party's fortunes and all of this as the prime minister says, britain could if might, maybe pull out of the european court of human rights if possibly, you know, that it might do. it obstructs the government's rwanda plan. well, let's get now the thoughts of our political correspondent katherine forster, who joins me in studio. catherine welcome to the show. let's start with this poll, shall we? because polls are polls, birds. every single poll now seems to have the same direction of travel, the same momentum word unintended. it's looking very, very bleak for the

conservatives, this latest one signifying an even bigger loss than john major face when blair kicked him out of downing street in 97. >> yes, that's right, there's been two catastrophic polls for the conservative party, frankly, just since easter sunday, when there was another of these mrp polls, both horrific reading. if you are a conservative mp, not only labour getting over 400 seats, but the conservatives according to this one, 19,000 people were polled . and these people were polled. and these mrp polls, they're quite clever the way they do the calculations and the conservatives potentially down to 155 seats worth saying. the one on easter sunday was even worse. they were at 98 seats, and a lot of really big beasts potentially set to 90, big beasts potentially set to go, including defence secretary grant shapps, who might like to be leader . penny mordaunt,

be leader. penny mordaunt, leader of the house of commons. another real favourite for the leadership. if, as as expected , leadership. if, as as expected, rishi sunak does lose the next election, a couple of other points. both the lib dems and reform are projected on this poll to get 12% each. but in a sign of the way this first past the post works, that means that the post works, that means that the lib dems projected to get 49 seats and reform party on the same vote share. not a single one. indeed, leandersson, who recently defected from the conservatives that seat ashfield is projected to go back to the labour party. >> and what's astonishing about this is that 75% of everybody in the commons would be a labour party member of parliament. it's absolutely mind boggling if you think about the majorities in the past, the swings in the past . we've never seen anything like this. >> yeah, and it's not for good democracy, is it? this is something that sir geoffrey cox was talking about to our political editor, chris hope, a

couple of weeks ago, because governments with big majorities , governments with big majorities, the bigger the majority, the more likely it is that they will come up with some bad ideas and be able to railroad them through. you do need that scrutiny that kick back from the opposition. so huge majorities, not great for democracy, but i mean, okay, it hasn't happened yet. things can always change. we're expecting the election probably in november after the american election , but what american election, but what a turnaround because in 2019, bofis turnaround because in 2019, boris johnson got 80 seats, labour was decimated. they had their worst results since 1935 and sir keir starmer came in. people sort of thought he'd be like a caretaker, that it would take ten years to rebuild the labour party. but a combination largely of, chaos within the conservative party and the fact that keir starmer has managed to

sort of detoxify labour and also make it not scary because under jeremy corbyn, quite a lot of voters were really quite frightened at the prospect of jeremy corbyn as prime minister whereas a lot of people don't feel scared they might not be happy about the idea of keir starmer as pm. but they're not scared by it in the same way. >> katherine forster it really makes you think people will makes you think that people will look know, historians look back, you know, historians on an astonishing on this as an astonishing period in history, in british political history, an unprecedented period, an 80 seat majority becoming 165 seats majority becoming 165 seats majority the other way . majority the other way. absolutely amazing. thank you very much for joining absolutely amazing. thank you very much forjoining us in the studio. katherine forster. now, of course, there's lots more still to come between now and 4:00 we the latest on 4:00 as we have the latest on the police investigating the care of the dead east care of the dead at east yorkshire funeral homes. but before that, it's time for your latest news headlines with sam francis .

francis. >> martin, thank you very much and good afternoon to you. the headunes and good afternoon to you. the headlines from the newsroom at just after half past three, the mastermind of an armed robbery, 19 years ago that ended in a police officer being shot dead, has been found guilty today of her murder pig. has been found guilty today of her murder pig . sharon her murder pig. sharon beshenivsky was killed by piran ditta khan in 2005. the 38 year old officer died after interrupting a raid at a family run travel agency in bradford . run travel agency in bradford. she had only been a police officer for nine months at the time. khan flew to pakistan two months after the murder and remained at large until he was arrested in 2020. he's the last of seven men who were involved in that robbery to now be convicted , and he was found convicted, and he was found guilty at leeds crown court today will sentenced at a today and will be sentenced at a later . the prime minister later date. the prime minister says that britain could pull out of the european convention on human rights if it obstructs the government's rwanda plan. rishi sunak says that controlling illegal migration is more important than membership of the

echn important than membership of the echr, and that he would not let what he called the foreign court interfere in sovereign matters. british farmers are calling for a guaranteed basic income after post—brexit arrangements left many worse off. at least 100 have joined a campaign group urging the government to help cover basic costs after the loss of subsidies from the european union. it comes as suppliers warn of higher prices and empty supermarket shelves due to a new post—brexit border charge, which will be introduced at the end of this month. and while some parts of the uk could see temperatures as high as 20 degrees this weekend , warmer than cities like weekend, warmer than cities like madrid and barcelona, parts of scotland are set for snow. weather warnings have been issued for snowfall , for wind issued for snowfall, for wind and for rain as storm kathleen rolls in. the 11th, named storm in just eight months. gusts of up to 70 miles an hour are expected along the west coast of england , with hour england, with 50 mile an hour winds also in other winds also expected in other areas . the met office is winds also expected in other areas. the met office is urging people to take care as coastal areas could also see large waves

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count as a threat to free speech while several footie fans have. finally, that's what's been said at the game, is now carrying a hefty fan . in fact, a wrexham hefty fan. in fact, a wrexham fan banned for three years for some abuse which frankly, i think is just a part of life on the terraces. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back. the time is 338. i'm martin daubney , and is 338. i'm martin daubney, and this is gb news. now, the prime minister has hinted ripping up the uk's international obugafions the uk's international obligations to get rwanda flights off the ground and stop the boat. speaking to the sun newspaper, sunak said controlling illegal migration is more important than a membership of any foreign court. but he did sidestep a question on whether he would pledge to leave the echr in the conservatives

election manifesto. well, joining me now to speak more on this is the echr of that topic is the international human rights lawyer , david. hey, great rights lawyer, david. hey, great fan of you, david. and you know , fan of you, david. and you know, certainly a load about this. david, we've had this conversation , it seems endlessly conversation, it seems endlessly groundhog day. it feels like rishi sunak rattling his sabre. the big question is, david, do you think the prime minister even has the political appetite to this ? to do this? >> good. good afternoon. martin, i think you've got an increasingly desperate rishi sunak here. and if he genuinely thinks that he will be the prime minister and take us out of the echr , he's not just desperate, echr, he's not just desperate, he's delusional, you know, even if you look at the process to come out of the echr in terms of time left, there isn't that we don't have that time we need. for example, one of the ways is, is, is, is a six month notice period, even if we gave that now, there's going to be an election probably before that. and there's certainly no ability for him to do that in his party

at the moment. so again, it can it's not delusion. it's purely trying to get votes. and as a human rights lawyer, i'm not worried that he will be bringing us out of the echr any time soon. 500“. >> soon. >> okay. and you know, david, i just read out a comment just want to read out a comment from viewer, sums up just want to read out a comment fronit viewer, sums up just want to read out a comment fronit willner, sums up just want to read out a comment fronit will segue sums up just want to read out a comment fronit will segue into sums up and it will segue into a question for you to answer. sue says this. other countries in europe, for example , italy and europe, for example, italy and france, well, they don't take any notice of the echr if they decide to expel asylum seekers, why ? why should we? and david, why? why should we? and david, doesn't that cut to the nub of this , the political will to, this, the political will to, defy the echr, to defy strasbourg? if you like , is strasbourg? if you like, is already there. we don't need to leave the echr . we just don't leave the echr. we just don't seem to have the guts to stand up to them . up to them. >> i think you've hit the nail on the head there now. i mean, i mean, i obviously, as a human rights don't want rights lawyer don't want to leave but, you know, rights lawyer don't want to lea have but, you know, rights lawyer don't want to lea have the but, you know, rights lawyer don't want to lea have the but ignored ow, we have in the past ignored rulings do that in rulings and we can do that in the now it's not the future. now it's not a obviously thing that as obviously a thing that as a lawyer, want suggest that

lawyer, you want to suggest that people ignore and break people ignore laws and break them. something that them. that's not something that should but you're should be doing. but you're quite think there quite right. i think there should know, if sunak should be. you know, if sunak had a strong party and it's more of a political point really, than legal one, he can do than a legal one, he can do that. countries than a legal one, he can do tha'always countries than a legal one, he can do tha'always done countries than a legal one, he can do tha'always done it countries than a legal one, he can do tha'always done it in countries than a legal one, he can do tha'always done it in the ntries than a legal one, he can do tha'always done it in the past, are always done it in the past, but i think that would fracture an already fractured an already very fractured conservative party. this, i conservative party. and this, i think, than think, is nothing more than a vote it's not going to go vote play. it's not going to go anywhere. not possible anywhere. it's not possible to leave echr before the next leave the echr before the next general election, just in terms of existing existing laws. >> david, to just just to >> so, david, to just just to clarify, this is great. so there isn't time to do it anyway. we don't actually need to do it anyway. and so what is all of this do you think it's just electioneering. it's posturing. it's tough talking because somebody who seems to be running out of ideas. >> absolutely. i've said it months ago, he's creating the monster to scare monster under the bed to scare people. i think to weaponize the bogeyman echr for, you bogeyman of the echr for, you know, a kind of a for want of a better description, a kind of a poundland version of boris's get

brexit done. you know, he's desperate for anything that will give people a reason to vote for sunak not not vote for sunak and not not vote for starmer. and i think this is just hopeless. >> another >> and david, another point, if it were to proceed towards some sort of withdrawal from the echr , a referendum, whatever that may be, you'd expect the legal institution, the, the judges , institution, the, the judges, the judiciary, the courts, the barristers, the charities, the entire machine, as we saw with brexit, would surely launch into overdrive to stop this thing even happening. anyway >> absolutely. and you know, if they use the process that's there by giving six months nofice there by giving six months notice that that's a quagmire of chaos effectively, because then what that does that doesn't stop previous things that breach the echr when we were a member from suddenly being able. so they did have to relegislate things. so it's just more and more mess, more chaos and it just more and more chaos and it just won't happen. and the prime minister know that . minister must know that. >> okay. david, i want to ask >> okay. so david, i want to ask you on a scale of 1 to 10, how likely do you think it is that

we're ever going to leave the echr time soon? echr any time soon? >> zero. any time soon? i don't see it happening . i don't see see it happening. i don't see the conservative party getting back in with a sufficient majority . if they get a majority majority. if they get a majority or someone does to bring us out, and even if they did, it's going to long time . they'll be. to take a long time. they'll be. aside from the actual legislation, the point of that aside from the actual legislwilli, the point of that aside from the actual legislwill be 1e point of that aside from the actual legislwill be legalnt of that aside from the actual legislwill be legal battles, it aside from the actual legislwill be legal battles, and there will be legal battles, and even happen, even if that did happen, it doesn't immediately solve the problem that we've got of people coming across the channel coming across across the channel so that none of those things are workable , and it's rather than workable, and it's rather than waste time and money on that, let's actually look at things like processing and do things that could affect and have a positive impact on the problem that we've got with illegal migration, rather than doing essentially win votes. essentially this to win votes. >> and david, finally, if the labour party were to get into power and all the polls are suggesting a bigger landslide, we don't need to redefine the word landslide by the looks of it, bigger than 1997, the labour party will have absolutely no appetite whatsoever. will they,

to out echr . so to take us out of the echr. so this moment will be completely passed? >> absolutely . and, you know, if >> absolutely. and, you know, if polls are to be believed, and that's a big if, polls are to be believed, and that's a big if , then you're that's a big if, then you're going to have a labour government, perhaps you know, with a very strong majority for a long time, and it's on a long time, and it's not on their radar bring us out of their radar to bring us out of their radar to bring us out of the so human rights their radar to bring us out of the and so human rights their radar to bring us out of the and i've so human rights their radar to bring us out of the and i've said human rights their radar to bring us out of the and i've said before] rights their radar to bring us out of the and i've said before that1ts their radar to bring us out of the and i've said before that is law and i've said before that i do think we need to start looking reforming certain looking at reforming certain definitions but definitions of human rights. but again, i don't see that something the party something that the labour party will either. will be doing either. >> fantastic. thank so will be doing either. >> fa forstic. thank so will be doing either. >> fa for joining thank so will be doing either. >> fa forjoining us.nk so will be doing either. >> fa forjoining us. that's so much forjoining us. that's human rights lawyer david haigh, always absolute pleasure to always an absolute pleasure to have you on straight talking. great stuff . now we heard around great stuff. now we heard around about an hour ago from the police about the investigation into legacy funeral directors . into legacy funeral directors. and last month police arrested two people and removed 35 bodies over concerns about the storage and the management processes in the hull based funeral director, meaning bodies may have meaning some bodies may have been mixed and the police been mixed up. and the police said that were unable said today that they were unable to identify the ashes due dna

to identify the ashes due to dna degradation. an astonishing story. and now let's bring in our yorkshire and humber reporter anna riley. anna welcome to the show. an astonishing , a grotesque story astonishing, a grotesque story that's captivated the nation . that's captivated the nation. what's the latest ? what's the latest? >> good afternoon. martin yes, well, humberside police held a press conference here in hull this afternoon in connection with their investigation into legacy funeral directors that has two branches in hull and one in beverley. and as part of that update that they gave the press, they said that individuals cannot be identified from ashes recovered from the funeral directors and that they they'd beenin directors and that they they'd been in contact with over 700 families to offer their support. and the police chief constable tom mclaughlin said the high temperatures required for cremations meant that no meaningful dna could be recovered. he added that it would be devastating news for

families and offered his his condolences. as you say, this update comes one month after the investigations first started. a quantity of ashes were removed from the funeral directors on hessle road and 35 bodies as well involved over 100 police officers from humberside police and it also involved the national crime agency as well. understandably, like you say, it's something that's captivated the nation really , not just the nation really, not just people here in hull and east yorkshire who have been shocked and upset. there's been scant information on, so far before this that has been released by the police. they've asked people not to speculate. we know that two people are out on bail at the moment. a 46 year old man and a 23 year old woman were arrested in connection with this, and humberside police have previously described the investigation as highly complex. in the press conference this

afternoon, the council also spoke as well. they said that it had visited funeral directors across east yorkshire and that it was clear from these visits that the incident being investigated with legacy funeral directors was isolated and in no way reflective of the wider funeral industry . the police funeral industry. the police also said that they've still got also said that they've still got a dedicated head, a hotline set up for grieving families to contact them and that they've had over 2000 calls. so far. and there's been contacts as well , there's been contacts as well, from families to the press, from people saying that they didn't know whether it was their loved one in the coffin at the funeral , that they kissed. they didn't know if there was a body in the coffin. man saying that coffin. another man saying that he didn't know whether it was in fact ashes had fact his wife's ashes that had been and been given to him. and of course, what police have course, from what police have said today, they've said due to the changes that happened during cremation, that no meaningful dna can be recovered. so outpouring of support to

families locally as well. with that , hotline still being families locally as well. with that, hotline still being open and the local mp as well, emma hardy, also said affected families would not have to pay for another funeral with the cost being picked up by the local authority . local authority. >> hey, thank you, anna riley outside in hull at the story of legacy independent funeral directors . an astonishing story. directors. an astonishing story. thank you for that update . now thank you for that update. now coming up as a wrexham football fan is handed a three year ban for shouting anti—english abuse, which, if you ask me, was perfectly acceptable. it's policing at matches now becoming yet another woke joke . i'm yet another woke joke. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

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news now. wrexham football fan has been banned from attending football matches for three years after directing racial slur at after directing a racial slur at tranmere rovers supporters. and the insults were picked up by body cameras worn by the old bill at the match, in a game which was deemed high risk as back in 22,006, beg your pardon? over 30 supporters were arrested between the two sides. so i'm asking this question is hooliganism culture? back on the rise? or is this woke policing of the terraces getting out of hand? to discuss this, i'm joined now by the sports broadcaster chris skudder scooters. welcome to the show. listen, the terraces can be fruity places as well, you know, these lads were arrested for something that i hear probably a thousand times a match. whenever i go is this legitimate policing or is it just wokery gone too far? >> yeah. i'm not sure it's racist. i mean , you hear anti racist. i mean, you hear anti nationalistic stuff. i mean

english, welsh, scottish. you know, every time the teams from different countries play, it happens all the time. >> football fans will tell you it's good good natured banter, good banter . good humoured banter. >> but you know the police don't agree. >> i mean, the policing of football has got very, very, very over the last 20 very strict over the last 20 years or so. years or 50. >> years or so. >> remember the days in the thatcher years, in the 80s when it was just the wild west , it was just the wild west, doesn't happen anymore since legislation changed, the use of cameras came in. you mentioned there are body cams, and it's there are body cams, and it's the biggest weapon, you know, that those who are into the football scene and have been involved in hooliganism , you involved in hooliganism, you know, that they can't get away with it anymore. but this is another level altogether. you know, the use language now, know, the use of language now, you know, banter. >> three year banning order, which is pretty severe. >> plus a fine as well. it's happening in many different contexts, newcastle fan got a three year ban for what they

considered offensive language over the munich air disaster. that's fair enough. i think a liverpool fan got banned for, for homophobic slurs against chelsea fans. that's that's fine. i think as well. but i think this is, you know, calling somebody an english b or a welsh c or you know, that's that's the context here. i think it's getting pretty extreme. and some would say, yeah, one nil to the wokerati, the police would say, i think, it's about context here. and when somebody approaches a group of fans , if approaches a group of fans, if it's in an aggressive manner, they're going to get nicked , if they're going to get nicked, if it's just a chance, a friend of mine online today went to the newport stockport game and said something about the fans were saying welsh sheep shearing. you know, the rest of that . and it know, the rest of that. and it happens all the time. >> okay. so i'm afraid we have to leave it there. totally agree with you. coming up more on that soft sentencing. i'm martin daubney gb news, britain's daubney on gb news, britain's news channel. first, it's time

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of disruption off of disruption as we start off friday. disruption friday. rain disruption for lower parts of the central belt and for higher parts of the central belt and into central scotland. the risk of some disruptive snow up to ten centimetres so above 300m centimetres or so above 300m could some issues. first could cause some issues. first thing peters out through thing that peters out through the day and it stays cold in northern scotland, but elsewhere it's a mild early rain it's a mild day. early rain clears showers, some sunny clears to showers, some sunny spells in between the downpours with of 18 or even with highs of 18 or even 19 celsius towards south—east celsius towards the south—east another blustery day on saturday. in fact, it becomes increasingly windy as heavy rain moves north across scotland and northern ireland. first thing replaced by showers, some sunshine in between the showers. the wind will be strong with gusts of 50 to 70 miles an hour for western britain and northern ireland, but it will also be a warm wind. highs of 20 or 21 celsius that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . from boxt boilers. >> sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> a very good afternoon to you. it's 4 pm. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk . coming up on today's show, is it time for more lenient sentences? while judges are being told to consider some softer punishments for those who are from disadvantaged backgrounds , well has two tier backgrounds, well has two tier policing and become a two tier judiciary and creating a thugs charter . next judiciary and creating a thugs charter. next up, electric car downturn as sales of electric vehicles slump is the government's rush to net zero, coming at the cost of british infrastructure , or the motorists infrastructure, or the motorists simply not want electric cars? after that, labour super majority surge because a poll reveals 11 tory cabinet ministers could be wiped out at the next general election, and

starmer's party will win 400 seats. is the labour party now simply unstoppable? as the tories head for a 97 style tsunami at and as it wrexham football fan is handed a three year banning order for shouting, abuse at english fans which, if you ask me, was perfectly acceptable is a desire to crack down on hooliganism. now a threat to free speech? or are terraces becoming another woke joke? and that's all coming up in your next hour. well, welcome to the show. always an absolute pleasure to have your company. we've had over a thousand comments now and emails on the topic of does rishi sunak mean it when he says that the uk might leave the european court of human rights? he said that yesterday that could possibly be an option if the flights to

rwanda are grounded, which looks inevitable. but do you believe him? is this bluster ? will it him? is this bluster? will it ever turn into action? let me know your thoughts gbviews@gbnews.com and on a lighter point are the terraces now becoming policed to the point of there's absolutely no j'oy point of there's absolutely no joy left in them . old bill in joy left in them. old bill in body cam nicking people for misdemeanours which i think are perfectly acceptable at the football. is it okay to be slightly un—pc unreconstructed on the terraces, or should we face the same standards at the football as we face in the office? let me know. email gbviews@gbnews.uk . com before gbviews@gbnews.uk. com before all of that, it's time for your headunes all of that, it's time for your headlines and it's polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> martin, thank you and good afternoon to you. well, the top story from the gb newsroom today is that the mastermind of an

armed robbery in yorkshire almost 20 years ago, that ended in being shot in a police officer being shot dead has been found guilty of her murder. >> pc sharon beshenivsky was killed by peeran dita khan in 2005. >> the 38 year old died after she interrupted a raid at a family run travel agents in bradford. >> she'd only been a police officer for nine months. >> khan flew to pakistan two immediately after the murder, and remained at large until he was arrested in 2020. he's the last of the seven men involved in the robbery to be convicted. >> he was found guilty at leeds crown court and will be sentenced at a later date . sentenced at a later date. >> the prime minister says britain could pull out of the european convention on human rights if it obstructs the government's rwanda plan. >> rishi sunak says controlling illegal migration is more important than membership of the echn important than membership of the echr, and he wouldn't let a foreign court interfere in sovereign matters .

sovereign matters. >> more than 600 british legal experts, including three former supreme court judges, are calling on the uk to stop selling arms to israel. >> they say there's a plausible risk the weapons may be used to commit serious violations of international law, and that the prime minister must change britain's policy. >> british farmers are meanwhile calling for a guaranteed basic income after post—brexit arrangements left many worse off. >> at least 100 have joined a campaign group urging the government to help cover basic costs after the loss of subsidies from the european union analysis last year by the organic farming group riverford found that half of britain's fruit and vegetable growers may go out of business within a yeah go out of business within a year. it comes as suppliers warn of higher prices and empty supermarket shelves due to a new post—brexit border charge, which will be introduced at the end of the month . judges have been told

the month. judges have been told to consider more lenient sentences for offenders from depnved sentences for offenders from deprived or difficult backgrounds. the sentencing council, which sets guidelines for judges and magistrates, has forjudges and magistrates, has forjudges and magistrates, has for the first time outlined mitigating factors that it says courts should consider before handing down a sentence. they include poverty, low education, discriminate and insecure housing. but critics say the law should treat everyone equally, with the justice secretary, alice chalk, describing the guidelines as both patronising and inaccurate . leicester city and inaccurate. leicester city council says sensitive information has been posted onune information has been posted online by a known ransomware group after it was stolen in a cyber attack. the local authority was the victim of a hack last month, forcing it to shut down its it systems. >> it has confirmed now that confidential documents have been published by that group of hackers, including rent statements and some personal details. >> the group is known to have attacked a number of other

government, education and health care institutions . the national care institutions. the national cyber security centre is now involved in an ongoing criminal investigation and weather news. strong winds and heavy rain are due to hit parts of britain this weekend, as storm kathleen rolls in. that's the 11th named storm in. that's the 11th named storm in just eight months. we're expecting gusts of up to 70 miles an hour on saturday along the west coast of england, with 50 mile an hour winds expected in other areas. the met office is urging people to take care . is urging people to take care. coastal areas can also expect large waves and there could be confusion for holidaymakers. this summer going through security checks before catching flights . several uk airports flights. several uk airports will miss a june deadline to introduce new high tech 3d scanners designed to end the need to remove things like laptops and liquids from hand luggage. the government has granted a 12 month extension to some airports, which haven't been able to install the new

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>> thank you paulie. now, judges have been told to consider more lenient sentences for offenders from deprived or difficult backgrounds, and this comes from the sentencing council, who are responsible for advising judges and magistrates across the land and magistrates across the land and the guidelines on difficult and the guidelines on difficult and or deprived backgrounds, state that these factors could include poverty, low education attainment, experience of discrimination and even insecure housing. but all these valid reasons to get away with crimes. or are we creating a whole can of worms? well, let's discuss this now , in the studio where this now, in the studio where i'm joined by gb news political editor christopher hope, and i'm also joined by peter edwards, former editor of labourlist. good to have you back. it's been way too long. let's start with you, chris, this to me, seems to defy the very point of everybody being equal before the law. why

why are why are the introduce and this and where could it possibly go wrong? >> why is your question now the jails are full 98% capacity in england and wales. we've got a sensing bill sitting in downing street. they've got 40 odd tory mps led by suella braverman, trying to make make clear that if you want to bring in new sensing measures, you can't not jail someone for less than a yeah jail someone for less than a year. as a government saying back in the king's speech, the government said they want to grasp they think grasp the nettle and they think soft sentencing think soft sentencing or they think sorry, sensing soft sentencing or they think sorry, work sensing soft sentencing or they think sorry, work . sensing soft sentencing or they think sorry, work. so sensing soft sentencing or they think sorry, work. so jail sing soft sentencing or they think sorry, work . so jail the soft sentencing or they think sorry, work. so jail the most doesn't work. so jail the most serious offenders. this is from the sentencing council came into force on monday. the government's not happy. alex chalk the lord chancellor. and the justice secretary saying this isn't right. what they've been told to do is consider lenient sentences for offenders from deprived or difficult backgrounds. so therefore you have mitigating factors. now for the first time, personal backgrounds include poverty, low educational attainment, experience discrimination and experience of discrimination and insecure hours. they can look at

that and go, well, that person has had a tough life or they have a tough life. let's have had a tough life. let's allow them therefore not get allow them therefore not to get maybe jail terms maybe a tougher jail terms because it's not really their fault. that's attempt, fault. and that's an attempt, i think, deal with what is a think, to deal with what is a bigger problem, which is lack of jail space. >> okay. edwards, what's >> okay. peter edwards, what's your take on this? >> a humane liberal >> i do want a humane liberal justice system, but i'm sceptical about this change. >> and one thing goes above >> and one thing that goes above party that we're party politics is that we're all equal before the law, as you said in your but the said in your intro. but the other is, and chris laid other point is, and chris laid out, of is crime out, the politics of it is crime disproportionately poor disproportionately affects poor communities and a communities. and i've been a volunteer boards lots volunteer and on boards of lots of poverty alleviation organisations. so you're organisations. so if you're a mum on a council estate being terrorised by anti—social behaviour , you're not up there behaviour, you're not up there pleading the judge to give the people, making your life a misery, a softer sentence. you deserve justice and you deserve safety for your house and your kids and i do worry particularly about, you know, the law of good intentions taking you into a bit of an absurdity. >> i think you're absolutely bang on. >> and it was so fascinating.

early on, we spoke to james treadwell, a professor treadwell, who's a professor of criminology. made a point, criminology. he made a point, which i thought was so good. he said, this is giving the government out of jail government a get out of jail card the jails are full card because the jails are full and this makes them look like they're being caring and sharing , but really, they just can't shoehorn criminals in shoehorn all the criminals in the land into the nics. and so therefore they're redefining what gets you in there in the first place. surely that's shattering the concept of equality before the law? >> we're certainly in >> well, we're certainly in danger of mixing our metaphors. and as chris said, it's down to politicians the office politicians and the home office and to with and the government to deal with the element. so, how the political element. so, how have enough prisons if have we got enough prisons if we're more? who's we're building more? who's paying we're building more? who's paying for them? should we change make sentences change the law to make sentences tougher example ? tougher or weaker? for example? but judges set all that but judges have to set all that aside, the judge's to aside, and the judge's role to look at everything on look at everything literally on a basis and apply a case by case basis and apply the law to it. and i think judges should focus less, and i think they probably are, but focus less on the numbers, because that should be really the justice the home office and justice department prisons.

>> politically, chris, this >> now politically, chris, this has divided conservative has divided the conservative party it's gone down like a cup of cold, sick with the blue collar conservatives , those that collar conservatives, those that are traditionally tough on law and order. they're on the battle path about it. so what's the point? even introducing it in the first place? >> that group founded there by esther mp for tatton, >> that group founded there by esthycourse mp for tatton, >> that group founded there by esthycourse in mp for tatton, >> that group founded there by esthycourse in the mp for tatton, >> that group founded there by esthycourse in the cabinet tatton, >> that group founded there by esthycourse in the cabinet office now course in the cabinet office as so—called sense as the so—called common sense minister. extremely minister. they call it extremely patronising, i think the tories are. yeah, they are lucky here. they find themselves on the right side. they're saying we should more offenders should be jailing more offenders . we shouldn't people off . we shouldn't let people off for without for their backgrounds without providing the end point, the space to put them in jail. so judges probably are being a bit more saying, well, more pragmatic, saying, well, you that's that's your you may say that's that's your position to say that you're in politics, but i'm trying to get people off streets who people off the streets who should the streets. and should be off the streets. and if a reason not to if you can find a reason not to jail here's jail them, here's one. >> it certainly to me >> and it certainly feels to me that the real winners will be the who just the lawyers who will just be looking for any oppression or victimhood looking for any oppression or victirto ood looking for any oppression or victirto try and prove a case of past to try and prove a case of wriggle off the hook, which i think is the opposite of fair

law and order. can we move to law and order. can we move on to some recent polling? peter, looking very rosy for the labour rosette, whereas, as it were , rosette, whereas, as it were, poll out today, 18,000 odd people polled looking like there could be an even bigger wipe out of the conservative party now than we saw in 1997. and that would result in 75% of all parliamentarians being from the labour party. do you think that will happen? no i'll be out there fighting for a labour victory. >> you know, as an activist , as >> you know, as an activist, as ihave >> you know, as an activist, as i have been in every election pretty much in recent years. but we know a couple of things. first know that in first of all, we know that in recent labour has lost recent years, labour has lost and lost again, sadly, and lost and lost again, sadly, and lost and lost again, sadly, and often been and polls have often been overstated . remember, ed overstated. remember, ed miliband to ten miliband had a lead of up to ten points then the party went points and then the party went backwards terms number backwards in terms of the number of it in 2015. secondly, of mps it had in 2015. secondly, in what's called the short campaign, six week campaign, that busy six week penod campaign, that busy six week period where it's wall to wall politics out there politics and all out there stuffing a leaflets through letterboxes, the tend letterboxes, the polls tend to narrow of the narrow in favour of the government because voters,

understandably are are risk averse and the government can do stuff now in the few months before an election, whereas the opposition can only talk about doing stuff future. the doing stuff in future. so the polls narrow. doing stuff in future. so the pol that's narrow. doing stuff in future. so the pol that's you ow. doing stuff in future. so the polthat's you being very >> that's you being very pragmatic, but in in actuality, one thing i'm really struck by this time, chris, in stark contrast to 2019, where conservative voters were saying, we have a labour we can't have a labour government, anybody but corbyn. abc now , if you look below the abc now, if you look below the line on the telegraph, on the express, even gb news viewers, they're saying the tories deserve to get a kick. >> they've just given away. >> they've just given away. >> things feel very different. >> things feel very different. >> giving away this last time they 2019. >> giving away this last time the for 2019. >> giving away this last time the for what 2019. >> giving away this last time the for what really? i mean we >> for what really? i mean we were forecasting three time were forecasting a three time johnson know johnson premiership. you know the johnson, the johnson the era of johnson, the johnson supremacy happened. supremacy that hasn't happened. this polling out today. this mrp polling out today. labour win 403 seats 154 seat majority turning . they need to majority turning. they need to win 122 to overturn what the tories offered. it's extraordinary. jeremy hunt goes. penny mordaunt , iain duncan penny mordaunt, iain duncan smith, jacob rees—mogg a colleague from gb news. he loses

his seat. according to this, the big hope number 10 i've got is these don't knows if they come out and they voted tory last time. give the tories one time. they give the tories one more time in more chance, a fifth time in office. i've waiting to see office. i've all waiting to see that. it really is that. i mean, it really is labour's don't you labour's to lose. don't you think, labour's to lose. don't you thirit's certainly labour's >> it's certainly labour's to lose. the reason why i'm lose. but the reason why i'm being cautious, it's not just recent that we know recent history that we know labour's historically had some weaknesses, in terms of weaknesses, at least in terms of pubuc weaknesses, at least in terms of public perception around the economy, , the economy, social security, the deficit, which has kind of become an issue again. and immigration. and i think keir starmer and rachel reeves have moved the party forward enormously all those topics. moved the party forward en0|everything all those topics. moved the party forward en0|everything kind hose topics. moved the party forward en0|everything kind of;e topics. moved the party forward en0|everything kind of chrisics. but everything kind of chris laid out probably tees up the government for perhaps quite a negative batten down the hatches campaign. not be much campaign. it might not be much more than a few dog whistles on immigration, and points along the lines of the economy's recovering. don't let labour wreck. i'm not the economy wreck. i'm not sure the economy is people. is recovering for most people. >> think , chris? >> do you think, chris? >> do you think, chris? >> well, i'll say, peter, we're yet to see. are how the your yet to see. are we? how the your party yet to see. are we? how the your party will replace this non—dom tax to the tory

tax they've lost to the tory party. where will they find the money, to pay for money, do you think, to pay for the investment in the nhs? money, do you think, to pay for the well, investment in the nhs? money, do you think, to pay for the well, rachel1ent in the nhs? money, do you think, to pay for the well, rachel reevesthe nhs? money, do you think, to pay for the well, rachel reeves will1hs? money, do you think, to pay for the well, rachel reeves will come >> well, rachel reeves will come out process out and say that the process thatis out and say that the process that is on. and i did this that is going on. and i did this in the miliband diaries. you in the ed miliband diaries. you have of and have a small number of staff and it's go through the it's your job to go through the books and you literally have to read the reports of every government read the reports of every goverr233nt billions about 23 with billions of expenditure and you go through line by line. so in the ed miliband, ed balls era, i was involved in that. and it's called based review. called the zero based review. it's exciting all. but it's not exciting at all. but that's do the hard, that's where you do the hard, detailed looking for detailed work of looking for savings. other point what savings. the other point is what we to the economy . we all want to grow the economy. but as truss showed, you but as liz truss showed, you need more than just mantra. >> peter, did you have anything to do with the ed stone ? to do with the ed stone? >> no i didn't, that was above my pay >> no i didn't, that was above my pay grade , and i actually my pay grade, and i actually thought ed miliband would have been a great prime minister because he was serious about policy humane . and he's policy and as humane. and he's super clever. and despite what a lot papers said , he's lot of papers said, he's patriotic. but was in head patriotic. but i was in head office day the ed stone office on the day the ed stone was which was was unveiled, which was a weekend, that that will live

weekend, and that that will live in my memory forever, which is ed stone was shouldn't we? >> it was a series of labour pledges on a on an enormous well, like a gravestone really, wasn't a big wasn't it? it was a big prophetic, quite prophetic, possibly. well, labour know one forecast a tory win at that point. and then what happened to it, peter was is it, is it under a car park somewhere. is it, is it your and the gravel. it on your drive and the gravel. >> no, no, i mean think >> no, no, no, i mean i think i have to probably do a hat tip to, guido fawkes. to, to guido fawkes. >> been >> i heard that it's been dismantled kind of dismantled and is in a kind of secure storage unit somewhere well outside london, and i suspect will never be seen suspect it will never be seen again. >> a bit like the roswell incident. yeah. >> yes, exactly. locked away. radioactive, at least politically . great. politically. great. >> so thank you so much for joining us, peter edwards, it's great to have back. please great to have you back. please become in the studio. become a regular in the studio. great you. and course, great to see you. and of course, christopher hope always a pleasure. very much. christopher hope always a pleazl'll. very much. christopher hope always a pleazl'll have very much. christopher hope always a pleazl'll have lots very much. christopher hope always a pleazl'll have lots morey much. christopher hope always a pleazl'll have lots morey nthat now i'll have lots more on that story 5:00. and story of course, at 5:00. and there's coverage on there's plenty of coverage on our website gbnews.com. and you've to it the you've helped to make it the fastest growing national news website the country. so thank website in the country. so thank you very much. now, you may have

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now, today is the fourth anniversary of sir keir starmer becoming the leader of the labour party. in what could be a significant general election year for the labour party . of year for the labour party. of course. now, our political correspondent, katherine forster takes a look back, a changed labour party on the march on your side . your side. >> return to the service of working people . working people. >> things can always change and fast, but current polling predicts a huge labour majority. how times change. four years ago, starmer took over a labour party smarting from its worst defeat since 1935. >> cumulatively, we lost the trust of the public in the labour party as a force for good and a force for change and we've lost four general elections despite calls for a first female leader, the party plumped for another man from north london on another man from north london on a platform of ten left wing pledges making, he said , the

pledges making, he said, the moral case for socialism. >> few of those pledges remain intact, but baroness jenny chapman , who was starmer's chapman, who was starmer's political secretary, explains so things that he said for years ago , before we left the european ago, before we left the european union, before covid and before the financial crisis that liz truss pledged plunges into as a country before our mortgages all went through the roof, things you could say then you know, it's just not pragmatic or realistic to say the exact same things now. starmer's determination to root out the anti—semitism that had surged under corbyn led to a zero tolerance approach, and quickly high profile figures being sacked or losing the whip , sacked or losing the whip, including the former leader himself changing the party hasn't been easy. when labour lost the hartlepool by—election to the tories in may 2021, starmer came close to resigning . starmer came close to resigning. the ensuing reshuffle aimed to clip the wings of deputy leader

angela rayner, but ended with her gaining a whole host of titles. >> boris johnson but weeks later, the partygate scandal began to break and labour passed the tories in the polls. >> boozy parties in downing street ? yes. street? yes. >> is he now going to do the decent thing and resign ? decent thing and resign? >> as the conservatives have swapped one prime minister for another and another against a backdrop of high taxes and stretched public services , the stretched public services, the labour lead has only grown . labour lead has only grown. here's scarlett mccgwire pollster at jl partners , and one pollster at jl partners, and one thing that keir starmer has managed to do is make himself and the party look like a safe opfion and the party look like a safe option again, especially around issues like immigration and the economy numerous u—turns economy and his numerous u—turns on policy have been seized on by the tories. >> now he seems to be opposing that policy. >> wednesday . i know >> it's only wednesday. i know he flip flops, but even for him it's pretty quick . it's pretty quick. >> yeah, the war in gaza has led

to rebellions and the humiliation of george galloway winning rochdale . all but winning rochdale. all but starmer is focused on acting like a prime minister in waiting. >> we actually recently asked voters to describe keir starmer in a single word, and the most commonly used words were weak, bonng commonly used words were weak, boring , commonly used words were weak, boring, unsure. commonly used words were weak, boring , unsure. people also use boring, unsure. people also use words like honest and competent and leader, and i think one thing that we hear more and more from people is that actually, the more they see of him, at least they think he might be a little bit more normal than rishi sunak . something we hear a rishi sunak. something we hear a lot. we hear we don't know what keir starmer stands for. we're not sure what the labour party stands must be stands for, but they must be better than what just had better than what we've just had for years. so we're for the last 14 years. so we're going them go just going to give them a go in just four years. >> sir keir starmer dragged >> sir keir starmer has dragged the back towards the labour party back towards the labour party back towards the edge of the centre and to the edge of power. katherine forster . gb news. >> but all of this comes as the

prime minister, rishi sunak, says britain could pull out of the european court of human rights if it obstructs the government's rwanda plan. well, join me now to discuss this is the on the echr is the barrister and the writer and the friend of the show , stephen barrett. the show, stephen barrett. stephen, welcome to the show. always an absolute pleasure. do you think rishi sunak has any appetite whatsoever to leave the echr? i put this out to gb news viewers earlier. we've had about a thousand comments. nobody seems to believe that he'll actually guts to do actually have the guts to do it. do you? >> gm- do you? >> don't think it's for >> well, i don't think it's for me to say to make windows into the prime minister's soul and to guess what he will or won't do. >> but i think it's very important to remember the old rwanda plan failed in the domestic courts and in the echr. >> and in many ways the echr was a bit silly by jumping the gun and issuing that injunction, which meant we all paid attention to it. >> suddenly, if they hadn't done that, then the old rwanda plan would failed, and would have failed, and the

domestic nobody would domestic courts and nobody would be talking about the echr. so this now my view is, and i've gone public on this already, i've written it, i've spoken spoken and elsewhere on spoken here and elsewhere on this. that the new this. my view is that the new rwanda will also fail in rwanda plan will also fail in the courts and in the the domestic courts and in the echr. and if the echr has any sense, they will therefore let it fail in the domestic courts. first, so that nobody talks about the echr. it does seem a bit funny to sort of pin the echr on our membership puppet to this policy in particular. why? why this policy? you know, the membership of the echr is a fundamental question. >> we send it millions of pounds i >> -- >> it has, i hm >> it has, i think, 47, although two of them suspended judges from a very diverse , range of from a very diverse, range of countries. now, that's not i don't ever wish to be rude to another another nation. i'm so i'll pick out this one purely because i've been on their national radio, so i'm vaguely fond of them. but, know, the fond of them. but, you know, the slovak republic has a totally different to slovak republic has a totally diffecountry. to slovak republic has a totally diffecountry. what to

slovak republic has a totally diffecountry. what benefit does this country. what benefit does a slovak republic judge a slovak repubuc a slovak republic judge a slovak republic lawyer, add to my legal system? you know, putting the echr in just puts a load of non—experts at the top of your your legal system. and i don't know anything about the slovak legal system. you wouldn't appoint me to be judge over that. >> and so a political >> and so this is a political court out court which carries out political actions. >> it's already done something which think is a fundamental which i think is a fundamental assault constitution, assault on our constitution, martin, romanian assault on our constitution, martiiit's romanian assault on our constitution, martiiit's ruled romanian assault on our constitution, martiiit's ruled that omanian assault on our constitution, martiiit's ruled that ananian assault on our constitution, martiiit's ruled that a judqei case, it's ruled that a judge can say things which are political. now, i do not believe the uk constitution allows judges, to say judges, sitting judges to say things which are political. and what the romanian judge said was quite outrageous. now, why on earth constitution be earth would our constitution be changed by an office building in strasbourg with with lots of judges from totally different legal traditions? these are fundamental questions for your viewers to answer, and they are for your viewers, not for me to tell your viewers whether they want or out of the echr want to be in or out of the echr . appearing as lawyer. . i am appearing as a lawyer. you explain the you know, i will explain the echr but your viewers echr to them, but your viewers to that decision.

to make that decision. >> stephen, i want to put this question to you as well. is the echr just something of a bogeyman under the because bogeyman under the bed because we've seen in italy, for example, meloni there example, giorgia meloni there a member of the echr? in fact, there's still a member of the european union, and they simply turn boats away from landing on their shores. they also did a deal with albania and just stepped around all of this. so my next question is stephen, is being a member even an issue is actually the question. we don't have politicians with the guts to just go around it and put sovereignty first. >> well, let's see, i think this goes back to those idea of differing legal traditions, because it's perfectly true to say that france has just ignored the echr completely, and is deporting people. the eu promised to join it in a legally binding treaty, so is in breach of international law by not having joined it, but hasn't joined it because it won't let the eu do. if the eu joins it, it won't be able to do what it's doing, it's doing some quite doing, and it's doing some quite brutal don't think

brutal things that i don't think any current british politician would suggest. anything as brutal what the eu is brutal as what the eu is planning to do in order to challenge migration , so we have challenge migration, so we have to consider it from our legal tradition. our legal tradition is actually that follow the is actually that we follow the law. i mean, there have been studies of the other members of the , and a of them do the echr, and a lot of them do just rulings and they just ignore the rulings and they can that. but that's not how can do that. but that's not how our works. are our system works. we are a system designed to have non—political courts and therefore decisions therefore binding decisions lawfully, legally binding decisions, even on our government from our non—political courts. and these other countries don't have that system. they have a system where courts are allowed to be a bit political. even the eu, the courts are charged with advancing ever closer union. well, that's a political policy . well, that's a political policy. that's a political court, you know, so we just have to understand, is this the best setup for us as a as a nation and us as a, as a legal system? is it making anything better? we do have to consider that maybe we have the best judges in the world, and maybe don't need

world, and maybe they don't need outside assistance and help. i mean, they the current the old rwanda bill, it was lawfully right . what the supreme court right. what the supreme court did was, was, i think, right to stop the old the old bill when this one fails, as i believe it will, it will be lawfully right that it fails. because what the failure is that the mps, the government has failed to draft a law that works so and that we that's our tradition, that if they draft a law and it doesn't work well, our courts will say so. and if they draft a law and it work the courts it does work and the courts don't our courts will don't like it, our courts will ignore say works . we ignore that and say it works. we don't don't have a view on don't we don't have a view on whether things not, whether we like things or not, say have say our courts. we only have a view whether they work, and view on whether they work, and that legal tradition. that is our legal tradition. and we think what is we have to think about what is best our legal tradition and best for our legal tradition and for us, as stephen, can i quickly ask you if it were of a table that we were to leave the echr, which seems very unlikely, particularly because we seem to be final furlong of this government. >> labour was >> the labour party was certainly, i believe, have no appetite the same. you appetite to do the same. you would the entire

would surely see the entire legal system launch into a huge frenzy to prevent it anyway. well, i wouldn't and i would expect those who are not able to be political, to not be political. >> and i might find an awful lot of time going on to, to mention that it of time going on to, to mention thatitis of time going on to, to mention that it is not for lawyers. we have, of course, we have legal opinions . of have, of course, we have legal opinions. of course we do. but those are not expert opinions. those are personal opinions. and if i those are personal opinions. and ifi appear those are personal opinions. and if i appear on this show as a lawyer, will share expert lawyer, i will share expert opinion and i will keep all my personal entirely to personal opinions entirely to myself. leaving is myself. leaving the echr is perfectly possible in law. there's a mild bit of trickiness with the good friday agreement, but that is so badly drafted as an agreement that i don't think it would be difficult to navigate at all. as in, i don't i don't consider that really very challenging as law and there is a mildly tricky bit with current tc. the with the current tc. the agreement with the eu, but again, that i think you can get out of that. i think there are ways of getting out of that so that the country can just that the this country can just leave. have to belong

leave. we don't have to belong to these institutions and these international institutions . we international institutions. we are an independent sovereign state. and that is that's just true as law. and there's no so but if a lawyer gives an opinion telling you to leave the echr or telling you to leave the echr or telling you to stay in the echr, they they have stopped being a lawyer and they've become a politician. the other the other untruth that i would fight if it if started being said that if it started being said is that leaving the echr will not change human country . human rights in this country. okay? these are fundamental rights often. we've started rights often. and we've started seeing it. so the lady chief justice brilliantly in recent justice brilliantly in a recent criminal case said, oh well, well we can't do this because of this . and then she well we can't do this because of this after . and then she well we can't do this because of this after that . and then she well we can't do this because of this after that and and then she well we can't do this because of this after that and of d then she well we can't do this because of this after that and of course,she put after that and of course, the corresponding law the corresponding common law right also exists. so right that still also exists. so we didn't really gain anything new with this. it's all it's doneis new with this. it's all it's done is import this court, which is a totally different legal tradition to ours and which is political and membership of it or not, is the choice of your viewers and our voters not of me as an expert or anyone else as

an expert . an expert. >> okay. stephen barrett, barrister and writer and concise to the point. apolitical, fantastic as ever. thank you very much for joining fantastic as ever. thank you very much forjoining us here on gb news. now, there's lots more still to come between now and 5:00 as electric vehicle sales slump . it's the green revolution slump. it's the green revolution based on faulty logic. i'm martin daubney on

gb news. welcome back. it's 438. i'm martin daubney, and this is gb news. now, britain's automotive industry is going from strength to strength with new car registrations recording their 20th consecutive month of growth. and that's according to new figures from the society of motor manufacturers and traders. but. and it's a big but it's not great news for electric vehicles or evs , as you can see on your or evs, as you can see on your screen there, as demand fell

last month, with the average buyer saying they're put off by high prices, recharge times and poor charging infrastructure. well, joining us now is spokesperson for smmt. and it's mr james bowley. welcome to the show james. so this makes for pretty grim reading for the ev sector . it seems no matter how sector. it seems no matter how much we're nudged or prodded certainly when it comes to private individuals, rather than fleets and businesses, there simply doesn't seem to be a great uptake in electric vehicles. why do you think that's happening? >> so it's quite important to look at the whole market. so it is a tale of two different kinds of buyers . on the one hand, as of buyers. on the one hand, as you say, you have the fleets and businesses which are buying more battery cars than ever, battery electric cars than ever, and buying so and in fact, they're buying so many that last month we saw more new battery electric cars registered than at any other month in uk . but month previously in the uk. but you're absolutely right. in terms of the private buyer, that's your average retail consumer, someone who's going that's your average retail consaner, someone who's going that's your average retail consa dealership ne who's going that's your average retail

consa dealership to who's going that's your average retail consa dealership to pick s going that's your average retail consa dealership to pick upoing that's your average retail consa dealership to pick up ang into a dealership to pick up a car. we're seeing a decline in the number battery electric the number of battery electric cars that are going to those kinds and that's kinds of buyers. and that's that's a fairly straightforward reason is at the moment reason why that is at the moment . so if you're a business or a fleet, you get lots of different kind of tax benefits and incentives, really incentives, which really help you that acquisition you sort of get that acquisition cost down for that electric car and your business to and helps your business to maximise using those lower running that you can running costs that you can hopefully enjoy from using an electric car. if you're a consumer. since july of 2022, there's been no incentive provided by the government for you to purchase an electric car. they used to be a grant that's now that's now no longer the case. what's really case. and so what's really important help important now is to help re—energise that that consumer market, to ordinary buyers market, to help ordinary buyers get behind the electric cars, get behind the electric cars, get into electric cars, because ultimately the nation's got green goals to hit the 2050. we have net zero targets, and that's only possible if everyone can make that switch. >> the trouble with that, of course , at the moment we have course, at the moment we have lots of stick and no carrot .

lots of stick and no carrot. >> we have clean air zones, we have ulez, we have punitive taxation that rows backwards and pulls in hybrids . when they told pulls in hybrids. when they told us it wouldn't, but there's a scant amount of carrots. the incentive, as you quite rightly point out now, those benefits to encourage us to go green . and encourage us to go green. and some of the figures today, there's been a 9.2% increase in petrol engine sales. the biggest plug petrol engine sales. the biggest plug in hybrids, plus 37% electric vehicles only 3.8. is it something more fundamental ? it something more fundamental? and that is when people just look at the cost and the benefits and the analysis and the way the legislation is going, they just want going, they just don't want electric going, they just don't want eleysoc going, they just don't want eleyso the big challenge is that >> so the big challenge is that we always hear from consumers the reasons why they want to hold off going to an electric car. it always tends to be the initial purchase price of the vehicle, to be vehicle, and it tends to be concerns the chargepoint concerns about the chargepoint infrastructure as well. so in terms initial purchase terms of the initial purchase cost for the vehicle, of course the fleets the incentive . we

the fleets get the incentive. we would like to see consumers getting that carrot. as you put it, that's really important. so halving on new electric cars halving vat on new electric cars on a temporary basis, that could dramatically increase the number of electric cars available to consumers , coming to coming to consumers, coming to coming to our roads. and it makes perfect sense based on what we already do with other kind green do with other kind of green technologies. instance , if technologies. for instance, if you're a consumer and you're installing panels or installing solar panels or putting pump, you putting in a heat pump, you don't pay vat on that. so having vat on electric cars, that would send the right message that the right to switch right right time to switch is right now. want to see now. now we also want to see more happening with the chargepoint infrastructure as well. chargepoint well. now chargepoint infrastructure, you know, the number points number of charge points available that's increasing every single day. and roll out is continuing. every single day. and roll out is continuing . that needs to is continuing. that needs to keep going and accelerate and keep going and accelerate and keep pace and needs to be built ahead of need. so people have that confidence they can find an electric whenever that confidence they can find an elecwherever whenever that confidence they can find an elecwherever they whenever that confidence they can find an elecwherever they need enever that confidence they can find an elecwherever they need one.3r that confidence they can find an elecwherever they need one. and and wherever they need one. and also, importantly, you have to remember, course , that about remember, of course, that about a third of the country doesn't have access to driveway or

have access to a driveway or their own parking space. so those people to move to an those people are to move to an electric car. they'll be dependent on public charge dependent on the public charge point network. now, if you charge on the public network at the moment, you'll pay a effectively a payment penalty. you'll 20% vat on the you'll pay 20% vat on the electricity that charge electricity from that charge point . if you electricity from that charge point. if you can install a charger at home, you only pay 5. so what's really important to make a faster and fairer make this a faster and fairer transition for everyone is to also equalise that tax rate to reduce the rate of vat that people pay on public charge points. >> i've got a question >> now, i've got a question for you. uvein >> now, i've got a question for you. live in zone two you. so i live in zone two london and it's people like electric cars, but even on my street that's probably four points on, on on the street lamps where you can plug in. i have about 100 vehicles and this is an area that's very supportive of, of the notion. but to roll out something like that nationwide, i mean, we can't even fix the potholes . how can't even fix the potholes. how on earth can a government put a charging network in across the nafion charging network in across the nation that can support this infrastructure? when they're potless?

>> so it's not just down to government to install that network. this is a partnership between government and the private sector. there's going to be a huge market for chargepoint use in the future. there are mandated targets for electric vehicle up to 2030, we vehicle sales up to 2030, and we know from 2035, you won't know that from 2035, you won't be able to buy a new electric , a be able to buy a new electric, a new petrol or diesel powered car. you'll be moving to electric. so there's a huge investment opportunity for chargepoint providers to move in and to put those charge points in place and what we really like to see is, is for that to really just to happen , then that market just to happen, then that market is coming through. at present, just to happen, then that market is (know; through. at present, just to happen, then that market is (know the 'ough. at present, just to happen, then that market is (know the vehicles present, just to happen, then that market is (know the vehicles are sent, just to happen, then that market is (know the vehicles are coming we know the vehicles are coming to we know that to the road. we know that millions cars will to the road. we know that miion ns cars will to the road. we know that miion the cars will to the road. we know that miion the road cars will to the road. we know that miion the road over cars will to the road. we know that miion the road over theirs will to the road. we know that miion the road over the nextill to the road. we know that miion the road over the next few be on the road over the next few years. and so there's that great opportunity chargepoint investment. okay. superb, you >> okay. superb, sir. thank you very much for joining >> okay. superb, sir. thank you very much forjoining us on the very much for joining us on the show. spokesperson for smmt james bodie. thank you very much for joining us on gb news. now forjoining us on gb news. now coming up, what is should what's said on the terraces at the football haunt you after words?

well, one wrexham football fan has been given a three year ban for his football war cries. if you ask me, they were perfectly acceptable, but then i'm martin daubney and i'm on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back. it's 448. i'm martin daubney and this is gb news. i'm sending in your emails. since the start of the show, the big topic as you on was. do you believe rishi sunak when he says he's going to leave the echr if the rwanda flights don't get off the rwanda flights don't get off the ground? now, i've had over a thousand responses to this one in the past two hours, and it has to be said, there's not a lot of belief in what rishi sunakis lot of belief in what rishi sunak is saying. let me give you a flavour of what's happening out there now. yvonne says this

politicians should have left the echr a long, long time ago. we're already overrun with immigrants in this country, but politicians are not standing up for the human rights of british citizens. rather they're standing up for the human rights of those who come to our country illegally, adam brooks. hi, adam says this. this is on x, we all know that rishi won't. i believe he's lying. it's election for the public's pr for the election. rishi hasn't backed up anything he's ever promised. only the truly gullible will fall for this. suella braverman must laughing her head off at must be laughing her head off at all of these lies . must be laughing her head off at all of these lies. dear must be laughing her head off at all of these lies . dear auntie all of these lies. dear auntie says this. he's done another u—turn on too much to expect any trust. now just because an election is coming and is in the air. rishi needs to stop rattling and start rolling and doing and instead of talking, and next up we have d d says

this. this is pure posturing in my opinion. that's all this bloke seems to know how to do. gyles adds this let's give rishi a break, he says. let's stop being so negative. give rishi a break. we do need to leave the echr. they don't care about britain, only themselves. and cathy said , i'm afraid it's cathy said, i'm afraid it's always talk, but no action with the conservative government. i voted conservative all my life, but i won't be doing that anymore. hayward says this not a chance. the only thing, rishi, is good at these days is talking a good game. he doesn't seem to follow through with anything. he's run out of road and any way the lawyers will simply stymie him he even tries to get this him if he even tries to get this over the line near he says this. this is now just a distraction and an election gimmick. and amanda adds, if he does , he amanda adds, if he does, he needs to enact a human rights

law for britain . let's give law for britain. let's give rishi a chance. a real mixed bag there. we also asked you earlier on about soft sentencing . so the on about soft sentencing. so the conditioning of the sentencing guideline rules are being overhauled to give those from disadvantaged backgrounds more leeway in the courts . could that leeway in the courts. could that create a two tiered justice system? well, you got in touch in your droves on that one. ray says this deport the foreign nationals from uk prisons. that would clear 10 to 12% of the space. for starters. i'm not sure if those figures are true, but i get i get your point. i get your point, david adds this why not leave the sentencing as it is, but double sentences for people from privileged backgrounds? david, i suspect your tongue is firmly in your cheek there, but it does. i believe the sentencing guideline laid down that kind of wiggle room to cause upset people will be coming into courts , and their be coming into courts, and their lawyers will be sharpening their

pencils, looking for any misdemeanour at all in that person's past. misdemeanour at all in that person's past . and the thing person's past. and the thing that really sent up a flag to me was the notion that if a person has experienced any form of discrimination at any point ever in their lives , then that could in their lives, then that could be used as a legal defence. and so it's a race to the bottom. surely this is people who will be looking for every hardship they've ever suffered, putting it down on their rap sheet, going into a court of law and saying, i didn't really mean it, your honour. and please can i have a get out of jail card? and here's the point the jails are full. we need to be building more jails . we're not doing more jails. we're not doing that. instead, we're trying to get people off the hook. alex chalk, the justice minister, said we need to be letting prisoners out early for good behaviour. so what we have is people from bad backgrounds who made bad choices, who may have

had bad experiences being let off and those who pay their taxes and abide the law and don't go the wrong side of that line being punished. now, that is a two tier judiciary. that goes for me against the entire ethos of a democratic fair , ethos of a democratic fair, representative nation where we have true equality before the law. and i worry, actually, that we will say we have people from bame backgrounds. perhaps he will say, well, i've suffered all my life from discrimination , all my life from discrimination, therefore i should get softer sentencing. i think it's an entire can of worms. and yet in scotland on april the 1st, they're now proposing we lock people up for jokes, for misgendering . the whole thing misgendering. the whole thing has gone topsy turvy. have we gone through the looking glass? you can get nicked for a joke, but you won't get nicked if you come from a disadvantaged background. has the country gone completely bonkers? you let me

know. coming up. stop the sentences with a deprived background. does the sentencing guidelines let you off? well, i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel versus your weather with aidan mcgivern. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. news. news. >> hello again and welcome to the gb news forecast with the met office. further rain arrives overnight. it's going to stay cold in the north and as the rain moves into scotland , there rain moves into scotland, there will be some disruptive snow over the hills north of the central belt. a number of systems coming our over the systems coming our way over the next days . the next low next few days. the next low bnngs next few days. the next low brings spells rain hill brings spells of rain and hill snow across the uk, and then another low for weekend. another low for the weekend. storm kathleen named. i met erin because the strongest winds will because the strongest winds will be the republic of ireland, be for the republic of ireland, but be blustery but it will be blustery overnight nevertheless, with some places , those some heavy rain in places, those spells of particularly spells of rain particularly affecting western spells of rain particularly

affect of] western spells of rain particularly affectof] country western spells of rain particularly affectof] country , western spells of rain particularly affectof] country , although parts of the country, although the far north of scotland staying that staying clear of that with a touch frost in but touch of frost in places. but it's scotland it's across central scotland where of where there's the risk of disruption as we start off friday. rain disruption for lower parts of the central belt and for higher parts of the central belt and into central scotland. the risk some scotland. the risk of some disruptive snow up to ten centimetres or so above 300m could cause some issues. first thing out through thing that peters out through the day and it stays cold in northern scotland, but elsewhere it's a mild day. early rain clears to showers, some sunny spells in between the downpours with highs 18 or even 19 with highs of 18 or even 19 celsius towards the south—east another blustery day on saturday. in fact, it becomes increasingly windy as heavy rain moves north across scotland and northern ireland. first thing replaced by showers, some sunshine in between the showers. the wind will be strong , with the wind will be strong, with gusts of 50 to 70 miles an hour for western britain and northern ireland, but it will also be a warm wind. highs of 20 or 21 celsius. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of

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>>a >> a very good afternoon to you. it's 5 pm. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. all across the uk. on today's show, is it time for more lenient sentences? well, judges are being told to consider softer punishments for those who they believe are from disadvantaged backgrounds. the house two tier policing become a two tier judiciary. and could this become a thugs charter? next up electric car downturn as sales of evs slump as the governments rush to net zero coming at the cost of british infrastructure? or is it time to admit people just don't want electric cars after that labour supermajority? sir because a

poll reveals that 11 tory cabinet ministers will be wiped out at the next general election, and sir keir starmer's party will win 400 seats. his labour now unstoppable as we as we head for a tsunami worse than 1997 and as a wrexham football fan, is handed a three year ban order for shouting abuse at engush order for shouting abuse at english fans, which actually i thought was perfectly acceptable , as is the desire to crack down on hooliganism, a threat to free speech on our terraces, becoming a woke joke . that's all coming a woke joke. that's all coming in your next hour. thank you for joining in your next hour. thank you forjoining me. in your next hour. thank you for joining me. always an absolute pleasure to have your company on an afternoon. you've been getting in touch in your thousands today. the big topic that's got you going is rishi sunak saying that he will leave the echr if those rwanda

flights don't take off. has to be said . there's not a great be said. there's not a great deal of belief out there amongst you. you're feeling now . this is you. you're feeling now. this is more empty rhetoric, but come on, dig in. let's find some positivity. is there still hope? do you still believe? stand up to strasbourg and let sovereignty rule supreme? or is this all empty words and softer sentencing is it really time to let people from disadvantaged backgrounds off the hook? what about the people who live in their same neighbourhoods ? they their same neighbourhoods? they don't get any preferential treatment. is two tiered judiciary a nightmare for britain? loads to get our teeth into ? but first, let's have your into? but first, let's have your latest news headlines and it's time for polly middlehurst. >> martin, thanks very much indeed. and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb newsroom today is that the mastermind of an armed robbery in 19 years ago that

in yorkshire 19 years ago that endedin in yorkshire 19 years ago that ended in a police officer being shot dead, has been found guilty of her murder. if you're watching on television, there's cctv showing the moment. cctv footage showing the moment. two police officers were gunned down in the street as they arrived at the scene of the armed robbery in 2005. the 38 year old police officer died after she interrupted a raid at after she interrupted a raid at a family run travel agents in bradford. she'd only been a police officer for nine months. well, peeran dita khan flew to pakistan two months after the murder and remained at large until he was arrested in 2020. and he's the last of the seven men involved in the robbery to be convicted . in other news be convicted. in other news today, the prime minister says britain could pull out of the european convention on human rights if it obstructs the government's rwanda plan. rishi sunak says controlling illegal migration is more important than membership of the echr, and he wouldn't let a foreign court interfere in sovereign matters . interfere in sovereign matters. meanwhile, more than 600 british

legal experts, including three former supreme court judges, are calling on the uk government to stop selling arms to israel. they say there's a plausible risk the weapons may be used to commit serious violations of international law, and that the prime minister must change britain's policy. prime minister must change britain's policy . the leader of britain's policy. the leader of the liberal democrats is calling for a new system to flag which of britain's waterways are safe for swimming. causes of waterborne diseases, such as dysentery, have soared recently by nearly 60% in figures since 2010, while overflows of spilled sewage into rivers and seas in 2023 were more than double the previous year. so ed davey says something needs to be done to make sure people know which waters are safe for swimming . waters are safe for swimming. >> the environment agency, ofwat and the government need to be cracking down on companies to make sure they're not just putting giving money to their shareholders and to their

executives, actually executives, but actually investing that money to clean up rivers river nidd. and investing that money to clean up rivewant river nidd. and investing that money to clean up rivewant to river nidd. and investing that money to clean up rivewant to actually nidd. and investing that money to clean up rivewant to actually raise. and we want to actually raise standards. for we want to actually raise stnewirds. for we want to actually raise stnew blue for we want to actually raise stnew blue flag for we want to actually raise stnew blue flag status for for a new blue flag status for rivers like the river nidd, which would give a signal to people that it would be safe to swim in these rivers. people used to do that. but now if they do that, children that end up getting awful diseases from the e coli and the bacteria from the sewage and ending up in hospital, that's unacceptable. so we need to raise standards. and liberal and that's what liberal democrats campaigning democrats are campaigning for. >> farmers are calling >> british farmers are calling for a guaranteed basic income after post—brexit arrangements left many worse off. at least 100 have joined a campaign group urging the government to help cover their basic costs after the loss of subsidies from the european union. analysis last year by the organic farming group riverford found that half of britain's fruit and vegetable growers may go out of business within a year, and that comes as suppliers warn of higher prices and empty supermarket shelves

due to new post—brexit border charges , which will be charges, which will be introduced at the end of the month . judges have been told to month. judges have been told to consider more lenient sentencing for offenders from deprived or difficult backgrounds as the sentencing council, which sets guidelines for judges and magistrates, has for the very first time outlined mitigating factors that it says courts should consider before handing down a sentence. they include poverty, low education on discrimination and insecure housing. but critics say the law should treat everyone equally with the justice secretary, alex chalk, describing the guidelines as patronising and inaccurate. leicester city council says sensitive information has been posted online by a known ransomware group after it was stolen in a cyber attack . the stolen in a cyber attack. the local authority was the victim of a hack last month, forcing it to shut down its it systems. it's confirmed that confidential documents have now been published by that group of

hackers, including rent statements and personal details. the group is known to have hacked another number of government education departments, like education, health care and others. the national cyber security centre is now involved in that ongoing criminal investigation . the now, criminal investigation. the now, air passengers face another year of limits on liquids in their carry on luggage. several british airports will miss a june deadline to introduce a new high tech 3d scanner, which is supposed to end the need to remove things like laptops and liquids on flights . that means liquids on flights. that means the 100 millilitre limit on liquids will remain for now, despite long promised changes, allowing up to two litres. and just lastly, the world's oldest man has just died just two months before he would have celebrated his 115th birthday. juan vicente perez was born in venezuela in 1909, nearly 20

years before the first radio station even started broadcasting in his country. there were six british monarchs dunng there were six british monarchs during his long lifetime, and 20 us presidents. his death was announced by the governor of the region where he lived, who described him as a humble, hardworking and peaceful man . hardworking and peaceful man. that's the news. for the latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen right now or go to gb news .com/ alerts. >> thank you pauly. now judges have been advised to consider more lenient sentences for offenders from so—called depnved offenders from so—called deprived or difficult backgrounds, and the suggestions come from the sentencing council, who are responsible for advising judges and magistrates across the land, and the guidelines on difficult and or depnved guidelines on difficult and or deprived backgrounds, states that these factors include poverty, low educational

attainment , but experience of attainment, but experience of discrimination and even insecure housing. but all these valid reasons for going soft on criminals, for is this the beginning of a two tiered judiciary? why? well, i'm now joined in the studio by gb news political editor chris hope. chris, welcome back . always chris, welcome back. always a joy- chris, welcome back. always a joy. why are they looking at changing something that's worked for ages and ages and ages ? why for ages and ages and ages? why medal now? >> because of i think because the situation with the prisons 98 capacity full. this is the sentencing council which gives guidance out to judges. this guidance out to judges. this guidance came in on monday. the politicians aren't happy. blue collar tories call it, extremely patronising. the justice secretary, lord chancellor alex chalk, he's less than happy . of chalk, he's less than happy. of course, the tories are quite happy. they can look like they're attacking judges . as for they're attacking judges. as for soft but for the soft justice, but for me the judges probably moving judges are probably moving because they can see how full the jails are. they want make

the jails are. they want to make sure people jailed sure the right people are jailed if for if they're looking for mitigating here. amongst mitigating factors here. amongst those who offending, those who are offending, they're looking at if they're from depnved looking at if they're from deprived or difficult backgrounds, including poverty, low attainment, low educational attainment, experience of discrimination, insecure housing. those are reasons why someone might go down a criminal route compared to someone from a more prosperous background. so taking into account, the how someone's brought up is a way of, of working out whether prison is right for them . the big picture, right for them. the big picture, as i say, is overflowing prisons. now, there was a sensing bill, and that's by the king the king speech last king and the king speech last november yet appeared king and the king speech last novembythere's yet appeared king and the king speech last novembythere's dozens)peared king and the king speech last novembythere's dozens of�*ared king and the king speech last novembythere's dozens of tory because there's dozens of tory mps trying to stop the government from, banning jail terms of less than a year. they think tories like suella braverman think you should be in prison for, for, even for less than year. if you're very, than a year. if you're very, very dangerous. >> must be >> now, the lawyers must be rubbing their hands together, sharpening at sharpening their quills at the prospect of being able to trawl through any thug or offenders previous convictions, or even their early life, looking for any example, any scintilla of

oppression or poor treatment at school, you name it, saying, oh look, my client suffered discrimination. therefore they should get a more lenient sentence. meanwhile, people living in the same communities who never put a foot wrong, who pay who never put a foot wrong, who pay their taxes , they don't get pay their taxes, they don't get any preferential treatment. this is a thugs charter for. >> you were set up, martin. i think that would be disputed by the judges. and certainly, lawyers are doing what they should do, which is try and do their best by their clients. this is guidance forjudges, not for so this is the for lawyers. so this is the judges to have their back judges to have in their back pocket guide how they pocket to guide how they sentence but really one sentence, but not really one for, help and for, for lawyers to help and support them that way. and certainly for the issue of, victims. i mean, the judges will have, have, have a mind , be have, have, have a mind, be mindful about if you're releasing somebody into the community, that person mustn't be able to near the victims be able to go near the victims and them apart. be able to go near the victims ancall them apart. be able to go near the victims ancall right.m apart. be able to go near the victims anclet's ght.m apart. be able to go near the victims anclet's ght. m on art. be able to go near the victims anclet's ght.mon now. swiftly, >> let's move on now. swiftly, if echr rishi if we can, to the echr rishi sunak talking tough. he was on the sun. never mind the ballots last night saying possibly, if

just maybe, we might pull out of the echr gb news viewers has to be said chris. they're not really believing it . what do you reckon? >> well, as we know, these these, judges in strasbourg have been have been frustrating attempts to remove people from this country to rwanda, where the where the government is trying to move people if they're either illegally to the either illegally to break the business people business model or the people traffickers. night traffickers. sunak last night said briefly, i don't said very briefly, i don't believe border security and believe that border security and making can control making sure that we can control illegal migration is more important membership important than membership of a foreign because foreign court, because it's fundamental our sovereignty fundamental to our sovereignty as a country. foreign court in his world is a strasbourg court, which the uk has signed up to. a vast number 10. what this means they're saying that if it comes to and if the echr was to it and if the echr was blocking rwanda flights, we blocking the rwanda flights, we will consider leaving it. yes. so there's several ifs there. this isn't a place where mr sunak wants to be. he knows that he divide his party if he he would divide his party if he says, let's leave echr some says, let's leave the echr some on right say go for it, on the right say go for it, rishi. those the think rishi. those on the left think no, can lecture china no, how can we lecture china about their human rights

about their their human rights laws leave the echr laws if we leave the echr ourselves? so this will be a battle, i think, on sovereignty going into the election, how do you square the circle and keep everyone be everyone happy? it might be a review the echr review of membership of the echr could an area with the tories could be an area with the tories might look supporting. might look at supporting. >> i've legal >> well, i've taken legal counsel during the show. have you lawyer kc ? you had human rights lawyer kc? >> is this? >> is this? >> well, a human rights lawyer? david. who actually deals in david. hey who actually deals in cases on this day? we had cases on this every day? we had stephen barrett, the barrister. they both said the same thing. this is a red herring. france went around the echr and controlled their borders . italy controlled their borders. italy giorgia meloni declared a state of emergency, sent boats away, wouldn't let them even land, and did a deal with albania on offshore containment. they're still in the eu, let alone the european court of human rights. is this creating a bogeyman? as you said , they can rally against you said, they can rally against strasbourg just like they can rally against soft judges on softer sentencing. in actual fact, they could just get tough

and declare sovereignty and go around them anyway. >> ignore parts of echr is >> ignore parts of echr there is suggestions i'm looking into that. >> some of these section 39 orders, these so—called pyjama injunctions, are being watered down that they can apply for by these judges in strasbourg. so we'll see where that goes. that's certainly what the number 10 will hoping. but they 10 will be hoping. but but they were they're talking were saying they're talking about these hypothetical pyjama injunctions . so when everyone's injunctions. so when everyone's gone bed these flights gone to bed and these flights stop at the 11th stop taking off at the 11th houn hour. yeah. >> that that's >> do you think that that's going because, i going to happen? because, i mean, seen a single mean, we haven't seen a single flight for rwanda. flight take off for rwanda. again, coming back the again, i keep coming back to the pint you've got as pint of beer that you've got as a bat with rishi sunak just seems be the clock is ticking seems to be the clock is ticking down and down and down. >> now. >> now. >> april the a date when >> april the 18th is a date when the rwanda act safety the rwanda rwanda act safety rwanda should become law rwanda act should become law after that will six week after that will be a six week penod after that will be a six week period the letters will go period when the letters will go out to those want take out to those who want to take across try and break across to rwanda, try and break this business model. lawyers will get claws in to use will get their claws in to use your and stuck in to your language and stuck in to try and challenge and that try and challenge and stop that happening. but there'll six happening. but there'll be a six week in the courts coming week battle in the courts coming up, be when i think

up, and that'll be when i think this idea echr membership this idea about echr membership will again. will become tested again. >> for political >> well, lots for us political journalists our journalists to get our teeth into . christopher hope, into anyway. christopher hope, always for always a pleasure. thank you for joining studio as joining us in the studio as even joining us in the studio as ever. now get lots more on ever. now you get lots more on that story on our website. and thanks to you, gbnews.com the thanks to you, gbnews.com is the fastest growing national news website in the country. so fast it's making chris hope sneeze. it's got breaking news and all the analysis you've the brilliant analysis you've come from gb news. come to expect from gb news. now, earlier this afternoon we heard from the police about the investigation into legacy funeral directors . as you may funeral directors. as you may recall, last month, police arrested two people and removed 35 bodies over concerns about the storage and management processes in the hull based independent funeral director, meaning some bodies may have been mixed up. and the police said today that they were unable to identify the ashes due to dna degradation. a quite astonishing case. let's bring in our yorkshire and humber reporter

now. anna riley. anna, welcome to the show. always a pleasure , to the show. always a pleasure, an astonishing, grotesque case that's captivated the nation. what's the latest ? what's the latest? >> it really is. martin yes. the humberside police gave that press conference this afternoon . press conference this afternoon. soon. we're actually here now on hessle road in hull. this is where the 35 bodies were removed from the legacy. funeral directors . they've actually directors. they've actually taken down their signage. you may be able to see behind as well. that floral tribute has been laid. and the police this afternoon as you've mentioned, said, that the high temperatures required for cremations meant that no meaningful dna could be recovered from the ashes that they had taken. they said they'd beenin they had taken. they said they'd been in contact with 700 families to offer support and give condolences. this update comes a month on from when the

investigation began. it's involved over 100 officers from humberside police, the force said that they've been working round the clock on this case, and they've also been working with the national crime agency as part of the investigation. a 46 year old man and a 23 year old woman were arrested on suspicion of prevention of a lawful and decent burial fraud by false representation and fraud by abuse of position, and they have since been bailed. homicide police have previously described the investigation as highly complex , and the work has highly complex, and the work has included the management of recovered ashes. the council also spoke out in the press conference this afternoon. they said that they had feel that from the visits to all funeral directors in east yorkshire, that the incident being investigated with legacy funeral directors was in no way reflective of the wider funeral industry. police also said that they have their helpline open

for families that may want to contact them, and that they've so far received over 2000 calls. there's obviously been an outpouring of shock and grief from the local community and nationally , as well as as we can nationally, as well as as we can see just here from the floral tributes . and also family tributes. and also family members have come forward as well and spoken to the press. this will be yet another blow for them. this news from the police this afternoon . one police this afternoon. one gentleman telling the press that he didn't believe the ashes that he didn't believe the ashes that he was given, in fact belonged to his wife . another woman to his wife. another woman saying that she believed she'd kissed a empty coffin at a funeral. she didn't believe that the body of her loved one was inside it. so this investigation will continue and families have also been told by the local mp, emma hardy , effective families emma hardy, effective families would not have to pay for another funeral with costs being picked up by the local authority using funds given by the government. and of course, when we do have more updates on this

tragic case, we will be able to bnng tragic case, we will be able to bring them. >> thank you. anna righty. that's our yorkshire and humber reporter live from holac. simply breathtaking case. thank you for bringing us up to date. now it's our biggest giveaway of the year so far, and it's your chance to win a £10,000 greek cruise for 210 grand in cold, hard, tax free cash and a whole host of luxury travel gifts on top . now, luxury travel gifts on top. now, your 2025 holiday could be on us here at gb news. and here's the details that you need to enter. >> you could win our biggest prize giveaway so far . first, prize giveaway so far. first, there's an incredible £10,000 in tax free cash to spend. however you like. plus, courtesy of variety cruises, a bespoke seven night small boat cruise for two worth £10,000 with flights, meals , excursions and drinks meals, excursions and drinks included. your next holiday could be on us. choose any one of their 2025 greek adventures

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welcome back. it's 524. i'm martin daubney, and this is gb news. now, britain's automotive industry is going from strength to strength . with from strength to strength. with new car registrations recording their 20th consecutive month of growth. that's according to the new figures from the society of motor manufacturers and traders. but it's not great news for electric vehicles or evs, as you can see on your screens, there , can see on your screens, there, because demand has fallen for them last month, with the average buyer saying they're put off by high prices , recharge off by high prices, recharge times and poor charging infrastructure . well, join me infrastructure. well, join me now and gb news economics and business editor liam halligan in our westminster studio. just got a bit of a mouthful there, now, liam, you've been saying for many , many moons you've seen many, many moons you've seen this come in. like most things you call it , this come in. like most things you call it, right? this come in. like most things you call it , right? the will this come in. like most things you call it, right? the will is there, the virtue signal is there, the virtue signal is there , but the demand simply there, but the demand simply doesn't it. there, but the demand simply doein't it. there, but the demand simply doei just it. there, but the demand simply doei just don'tit. there, but the demand simply doei just don't think evs are >> i just don't think evs are the future. i don't think the

technology is there yet . and i technology is there yet. and i think, you know, shrewd buyers as ordinary british men and women sense this. and so why should the second biggest thing that they ever buy in their lives, their car, be something that don't actually want to that they don't actually want to buy? and we're seeing that in these just these numbers. let's just get that back up on the that graph back up on the screen, martin, needs screen, martin, because it needs just explanation just a little bit of explanation , if i may. you'll see there that this is the demand over the last year for diesel cars. that's actually down by about 5, as you'd expect. but you see there that second bar battery electric, that's evs . that's up electric, that's evs. that's up just over 5. whereas actual car demand overall is up 10. so ev demand overall is up 10. so ev demand is going up less than car demand is going up less than car demand as a whole, which means that market share is falling even though they're meant to be the future. you plug the future. there you see plug in hybrid. the big in hybrid. they're the big winners. plug in winners. what's a plug in hybnd? winners. what's a plug in hybrid? that's a car hybrid? that's a that's a car with an internal with a with an internal combustion you can combustion engine that you can also to top up. so also plug in to top it up. so you don't that range

you don't have that range anxiety. so you get the undoubted of cheaper undoubted benefits of cheaper motoring because you can plug in, you don't get the range in, but you don't get the range anxiety because you can still use petrol or diesel in your car. and it seems that people are going for plug in hybrids . are going for plug in hybrids. and it's not just me saying this. i've been saying to this. look, i've been saying to you for a while, martin, that i don't the technology is don't think the technology is there vehicles, that they there for ev vehicles, that they may too on may mean we're too reliant on so—called rare earths from countries like china and parts of africa. all the copy you need in an electric vehicle, the sheer weight of an electric vehicle, the fact that all the batteries are made in china, the kind of geopolitical dangers of that. and listen up, pinbacker is this is carlo tavares . he's is this is carlo tavares. he's the head of the car making giant stellantis, one of the biggest car makers in the world. i was up on stellantis, factory on, ellesmere port there up in the north—west of england. quite recently, stellantis brands include vauxhall, peugeot, fiat, fiat. they really are a super

brand. and this is carlo tavares on evs, warning that evs, electric vehicles are unlikely to ever be universally popular among drivers. to ever be universally popular among drivers . and this is the among drivers. and this is the bloke, you know, one of the leading ev car makers in the world. they make more ev vans than any other company in britain. and this is what he said. we should move away from a dogmatic thinking where one size fits all, says carlos tavares , fits all, says carlos tavares, the head of stellantis. i don't think this is going to work. repeat, i don't think this is going to work. what i would like to add is that the current evs can be a solution for some of our societies. mr tavares saying that the 500kg, half a metric ton of raw materials you need to produce an ev battery quote isn't sustainable. a technological breakthrough is required to half the weight of battery packs over the next decade. that's what myself and some other sages in the pub have been saying for two years. >> yeah, astonishes of all >> yeah, astonishes of and all the weight, of course,

the extra weight, of course, adds biggest pollutant the extra weight, of course, add air biggest pollutant the extra weight, of course, add air particulates, llutant the extra weight, of course, add air particulates, because the air particulates, because they chew up tyres. i digress when we're reality bite for the policy makers because they're going to ban electric, diesel and petrol cars in 2035 or so they maintain. if the guy that makes them saying that's going to work, when are they going to wake up and smell the coffee? >> i think what carlos tavares is saying is the evs aren't the sort universal sort of catch all universal solution are part of the solution they are part of the solution. yeah, i don't doubt that part of the that they are part of the solution, i don't think they solution, but i don't think they are. of solution are. so much of the solution that we should be forcing people by to buy them . the market by law to buy them. the market doesn't like that. well, doesn't work like that. well, how whitehall know how does somebody whitehall know better you know, all the better than, you know, all the car in the world car technologists in the world what they may be thinking in three years time. they just don't know it's just don't know better. it's just arrogant yourself arrogant to convince yourself that you can make other people, by law, buy a certain product . by law, buy a certain product. we have seen a little bit of reality, coming into this debate. the uk, for instance, it was going to be 2030 when new petrol and diesel manufacturing

cars would be made illegal. it's now 2035. of course, shock , now 2035. of course, shock, horror. my god, we're giving up our commitment to net zero. no we're not, we're just going to where the rest of the eu is actually. precisely, so i don't think that was particularly think that was a particularly retrograde step. as i say, i do think evs are part of the solution, but they are just part of the solution. i don't think, personally that the battery technology there yet. that's technology is there yet. that's why you have companies basically demanding that the government bnbes demanding that the government bribes them to build gigafactories, to build ev car batteries. that's why you've got this incredible, pour up in blythe in the north—east of england, a perfect site for a gigafactories hooked up to the national grid . it's near a deep national grid. it's near a deep water port, which blythe is, and nobody wants to buy the site because they're not convinced. even with government funding, that the market actually that the market is actually there yet. so it'd be really goodif there yet. so it'd be really good if politicians passed laws that actually reflected technological reality , rather

technological reality, rather than passing laws that make them heroes within their own dinner parties. >> and quickly , liam. of course, >> and quickly, liam. of course, all the electricity that goes into this car is not powered by unicorns on treadmills anyway, is stations that is it? it's power stations that burn gas. >> you know, the novelist lionel shriver. the of person shriver. not the sort of person you'd of as a technology you'd think of as a technology writer. shriver , she's writer. lionel shriver, she's american, of course. she wrote an piece . an absolutely brilliant piece. it's one of those pieces that only a non—specialist can write . only a non—specialist can write. she says, hey, guess what? if we need lots. if we're going to have lots of electric cars, we need more electricity , and need lots more electricity, and no one's thought of that. it's true it's not just in true that and it's not just in the uk, it's in the us as well. even in the us , the national even in the us, the national grid cannot keep up with the electric vehicle revolution, it seems to me, and even the technology behind the electric vehicle revolution can't keep up with the electric vehicle revolution. again, i'm not, you know, some kind of cassandra about this . i do think evs are

about this. i do think evs are part of the solution. i'm not instinctively anti moving away from petrol and diesel cars if the technology is there, but it strikes me that the technology isn't there. you can see that in these sales figures from no other, you know, the most authoritative source in the uk, the smmt, the society of motor manufacturers and traders. and you can hear it in the very words of carlos tavares, who i say is the head of the car making giants stellantis, incorporating vauxhall, peugeot and fiat. he is saying evs, are they really the whole solution ? they really the whole solution? i'm not so sure, i paraphrase martin, but not a lot . martin, but not a lot. >> superb liam halligan always electrifying. thanks for joining me in the studio here in westminster. there's lots more still come between now and still to come between now and 6:00, as we take a look at four years of sir keir starmer as labour leader, is a still any insight into his plans if he becomes the next prime minister? but first, it's time for your latest news headlines and it's polly middlehurst .

polly middlehurst. >> the top stories this hour. the mastermind of an armed robbery in yorkshire 19 years ago that ended in the death of a police officer , has been found police officer, has been found guilty of her murder. if you're watching on tv , footage have watching on tv, footage have been released showing the two police as they police officers as they responded to the emergency call. arriving at the scene of the armed robbery in 2005, 38 year old sharon beshenivsky died after she interrupted that raid, which took place at a travel agency in bradford . she'd only agency in bradford. she'd only been a police officer for nine months. piran ditta khan flew to pakistan two months after the murder and remained at large until he was arrested in 2020. also in the news today, former tory minister sir alan duncan is being investigated for comments he made which accused two conservative peers of, in his words, doing the bidding of israel's prime minister sir alan says the investigation lacks substance and could prove dangerously harmful to the party's reputation . and the

party's reputation. and the prime minister says britain could pull out of the european convention on human rights if it obstructs the government's rwanda plan. rishi sunak says control illegal migration is more important than membership of the echr, and he would not let what he called a foreign court interfere in sovereign matters and look out some parts of the uk could see temperatures as high as 20 degrees this weekend, warmer than cities like madrid and barcelona, while parts of scotland is set for snow and weather warnings have been issued for snowfall , wind been issued for snowfall, wind and rain as storm kathleen barrels into the west of the country. the 11th named storm of the season in eight months. gusts of up to 70 miles an hour expected for the west coast. 50 miles an hour. winds expected in other areas. quite a mixed weather picture. those are your latest news headlines. sign up for gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts .

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evening . good evening everybody. evening. good evening everybody. at home? yeah. we've got a packed show coming up this evening. we're going to be talking about this extraordinary story. it's day one of this, but do not expect it to go away. this the mps who have been this is the mps who have been cyber honeytraps and what is wrong them? them is wrong with them? one of them is a minister, a tory minister, as far as we know, and a senior labour mp as well, who've been trading , possibly trading messages, possibly pictures with somebody masquerading as a love interest. and it turns out there might have been from a rogue government trying to get some information from our guys . why information from our guys. why are mps so easily trapped with these sorts of stings? we're going to be talking about driving theory tests as well . a driving theory tests as well. a triple the number of people cheating on their theory test in the last three years. why are young people just too lazy to sit an exam? is it because engushisnt sit an exam? is it because english isn't good enough? maybe for some people who want to get their driving licence here? and for some people who want to get theirthis ing licence here? and for some people who want to get theirthis universale here? and for some people who want to get theirthis universal basic ? and for some people who want to get theirthis universal basic income also this universal basic income story farmers. we've got to story for farmers. we've got to

do something for farmers. but is that the solution? and also the fact that we're eating twice as many takeaways now as we were before more lockdowns. what has happened to us? martin daubney well, i'm also about to cover that story. >> what's happened is, bev, as you know, during lockdown , we you know, during lockdown, we were totally recalibrated to buy all our stuff online. we became lazy, poor, kind, expected the world to come to us, and those habhs world to come to us, and those habits still continue. bev i know you're going to blast that one out of the water. 6 or 7. that's bev turner on dewbs& co. fantastic. all the best. okay, coming up after four years of sir keir starmer, what does the man have what it takes to be prime minister? has he got the x factor. will it even matter? i martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel .

welcome back 541. the final furlong i'm martin daubney. this is gb news now. today is the fourth anniversary of sir keir starmer becoming the leader of the labour party in what could be a significant general election year for the party, because all polls seem to now show him becoming the next prime minister. but does sir keir have what it takes? well, now i'm joined by the political commentator peter spencer. welcome to the show, peter. always a pleasure. sir keir starmer, the man in waiting . starmer, the man in waiting. does he have the x factor or doesit does he have the x factor or does it even matter ? i mean, does it even matter? i mean, because the tories seem to be so hiding for a beating. will starmer win just by simply not even doing anything? >> i think that's probably quite a good policy actually. >> i mean, the fact is that starmer well let's face it, he is a bit boring, isn't he. >> but then and you say safe is boring. >> but on the other hand boring

is safe now. >> rishi sunak tried tried to sort of play the boring card when he first got in, but he was sitting astride a party which was so utterly riven with splits, and it calls to mind a line from macbeth that it's like two spent swimmers that do cling together and choke their art, and any attempt he ever made to sort of try to govern sensibly was completely rubbed off the headunes was completely rubbed off the headlines by the fact that the tories were busy biting bits off one another. >> now starmer has a party which is, albeit yet it's not perfect. there is , there are. there are there is, there are. there are disagreements over the israeli, palestinian thing, for example. but compared to the tories, it has an absolutely clean bill of health. now, as to what he's liable to do when he gets into office, he's very wisely keeping his cards close to his chest. he was if he were to give too much away, there's a danger that the

tories could at the last minute snatch his policies and then , snatch his policies and then, you know, like, for example, when he was talking about sort of the non—dom tax thing, then all of a sudden the tories said, that's a good idea , we'll have that's a good idea, we'll have a bit that. and he's, he's bit of that. and so he's, he's i mean, until now sort of mean, up until now he's sort of got banging on got away with just banging on about how rubbish the tories are. the time will come when he's going to have to sort of show his hand, then who show his hand, but then who knows what he has up his sleeve? i look, you've got you've i mean, look, you've got you've got mayor got the london mayor for example, the idea of example, touting the idea of legalising marijuana. i mean, you know , so instead of putting you know, so instead of putting additional strain on our, on our legal system, our, you know, law and order stuff, you could actually bring in billions in tax revenue. hey, that'd be great, man, a great gas. i mean, i don't actually quite see starmer doing that, but who knows might have up knows what else he might have up his . his sleeve. >> peter, do you think you've beenin >> peter, do you think you've been in politics a long time ? been in politics a long time? we've gone from an 80 seat majority just four years ago, and today's poll is to be

believed, a 154 seat majority for the labour party. astonishing numbers . do you astonishing numbers. do you think we'll look back on this in the future as a time of unparalleled bedlam ? unparalleled bedlam? >> yes, i do, i mean, you know, it calls to mind a line from jim callaghan. you talk about me being around since forever , sort being around since forever, sort of around the time that noah was, was planting the trees to build his ark, but jim callaghan, when could see the callaghan, when he could see the spectre of margaret thatcher looming over him, he said, look, there are times in politics when there are times in politics when there is a sea change. at that point, the public has made up its mind what it approves of and what it wants. and at that point , nothing, anything you say or do will make any difference . i do will make any difference. i think that that's where we're at now, and i think that the tories collectively recognise that, and they're having a bit of a collective private fraser moment. we are doomed , i think moment. we are doomed, i think you're right. and, you know, peter, we've been asking gb news

viewers today if they have any faith in rishi sunak when he says that we will leave the european court of human rights. and even amongst gb news viewers, there's very, viewers, i mean, there's a very, very small amount of people that have any faith. is that the point? now? we are just ready for change. the country feels tired . tired. >> yes. absolutely. right. yeah. >> yes. absolutely. right. yeah. >> the tories have been in power for 14 years and we have sort of living standards , a lacklustre living standards, a lacklustre likewise, economic and expansion and our public services are manifestly creaking in many cgses. >> cases. >> they're actually getting very, very much worse. and i mean, you look at, for example, faith in the nhs , which is faith in the nhs, which is something which affects all of us, unlike sir davey, like illegal migration, which affects some people , the nhs is some people, the nhs is something that we're all involved in. and surveys suggest that actually, faith in the nhs is at an all time low. little surprise there with hundreds of people dying apparently every week because of delays in a&e.

and so what we're looking at is a nation which i think it has a sense that it's actually crumbling and things can only get better . they certainly can't get better. they certainly can't get better. they certainly can't get a lot worse. >> okay, peter spencer, thanks for joining us. but it does beg forjoining us. but it does beg the question if things don't get much better when sir keir starmer gets the keys to number 10, who will they blame then? thank very for joining thank you very much for joining us always an us peter spencer. always an absolute coming absolute pleasure. now coming up, has football become too pc or terraces awoke joke by or the terraces awoke joke by martin daubney on gb news. britain's news channel

welcome back 548. the final , final back 548. the final, final furlong we're on now. and brits are eating 50% more calories from takeaways. now than before. covid, which has come at the

expense of pubs , restaurants and expense of pubs, restaurants and takeaways and adults also consumed up to 74% more calories from the likes of deliveroo and just eat, while the proportion from other hospitality venues fell off. well, joining me now to discuss this is the chairman of the national obesity forum, tam fry tam , welcome to the tam fry tam, welcome to the show. always a pleasure . show. always a pleasure. lockdown changed a lot of how we lived our lives and lots of the circumstances. the knock on effects were obvious on education, on cancer, on heart attacks . but this one, it's attacks. but this one, it's perhaps not so obvious, although perhaps not so obvious, although perhaps it is. we got used to being super serviced as couch potatoes, and it's a habit that stuck. we've become dependent, it seems. tam on food simply being delivered, which is making us gorge more and become more fat. >> yeah, i'm afraid so. >> yeah, i'm afraid so. >> we're eating far too much and it's not healthy and it's going to go on for a long time. i

think . think. >> and what do you think we can do about that? or can't we? is this just another example of how we turn to apps ? we turn to apps? >> yeah. if the government would actually put some of the actually put in some of the measures that it has promised us, it would be a great help . i us, it would be a great help. i mean, everything's now been put off until 2025, and that is what the health minister says. and, and when it comes in, in 2025, that will be the exclusion of bogof. bogof >> and it would be the exclusion of advertising on television for unhealthy food. >> but i hope very much that it will actually contain more powers local authorities to powers for local authorities to shut down the takeaways, because it's the profusion of takeaways and the competition between them, which is lowering the price, which makes the whole thing so attractive for people who are short of cash. >> do you think the answer, though, tam, is more legislation, more clampdowns and more taxation? what about some personal agency ? what about

personal agency? what about people just took responsibility for what they put in their cake holes? >> well, without wishing to be rude you , that's been on for rude to you, that's been on for 25 years, back in the late days of, the major government and the beginning of the blair government, the whole emphasis was on personal responsibility. if you would only eat more sensibly and exercise, all this would be cleared up. it took about ten years to rubbish that . about ten years to rubbish that. and in two thousand and seven, a document came out which told the government precisely that personal responsibility was not the answer, that, in fact, the answer was, sensible legislation. i don't mean punitive legislation, but sensible legislation . and we saw sensible legislation. and we saw the first sign of this in 2016, when george osborne , in his when george osborne, in his budget speech, said, i'm going to put a levy on sugar, the, the companies that produce fizzy drinks. and i'm going to levy them a lot of money if they

don't take out the sugar. and i'm going to levy them less money if they progressively take down the sugar. and everybody felt that that was going to be too and that the companies too much and that the companies would not, subscribe to that, but they did en masse. and when the levy came in in 2018, only about 2 or 3 sugary drinks were at their previous levels. everything else had come down, and the companies were able to offer their customers less sugar in their colas and even down to water coca cola, which was always regarded as the baddie in this instance, actually bottled more water during that period of time than they did the traditional coke. so levy's is what is really necessary, and that's the kind of thing which i hope will come in. it's been , hope will come in. it's been, advocated since the 1918 by a lot of people, including the former chief medical officer for the country and she said at the

top of a long paper which she wrote for boris johnson, let us come into contact now with the amount of sugar, which is going into our milkshakes, into our high street coffees . and by the high street coffees. and by the way, we can also take the sugar out of cigarettes , sugary out of cigarettes, sugary cereals which are pre sugared, but only get they get more sugar added to them at the breakfast table. and that is real. >> but tam all of this is just nanny state stuff isn't it? and the sugar tax hasn't worked. we still have spiralling obesity . still have spiralling obesity. you can't put bans or taxes across everything , can you? across everything, can you? >> no you can't, and i'm not suggesting taxes. taxes is your word. levy's is what is required. because what what happens with levies . what's the happens with levies. what's the difference. >> well it's been a tax and the levy. >> no, no there's a huge difference. the tax is on the direct consumer and that would be wrong because in fact the consumers don't like taxes. but levies are placed on industry

and they're there in order to tempt industry or certainly give them a carrot to lower the bad ingredients of their food products and their drink products and their drink products so that they're healthier and that benefits industry. they made a lot of money out of the sugar levy, and the customers liked it because they switched from the very heavily sugar laden drinks to better drinks, which were, low sugar or water. >> okay. thank you very much. we're going to have to leave it. we'll have to leave it there, i'm afraid. that's superb, sir. thank you. tam fry, chairman of the national obesity forum . the national obesity forum. thanks us on the thanks for joining us on the show. you make that? show. what do you make of that? i should just i just think people should just maybe their cake maybe put less in their cake calls and stop relying on the nanny state everything nanny state to do everything for them. had loads of emails them. we've had loads of emails today. let's have quick on today. let's have a quick one on the topic rex , banning a fan the topic of rex, banning a fan for three years. i'm considering reporting scotland football fans to the scottish hate crime ,

to the scottish hate crime, police says paul for booing our national anthem at the game the other day. grace of our back tomorrow, 3:00. now it's time for your weather with aidan mcgivern . mcgivern. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar. sponsors of weather on gb news . news. news. news. >> hello again and welcome to the gb news forecast with the met office. further rain arrives overnight. it's going to stay cold in the north and as the rain moves into scotland , there rain moves into scotland, there will be some disruptive snow over the hills north of the central belt. a number of systems coming our way over the next days . the next next few days. the next low bnngs next few days. the next low brings rain hill brings spells of rain and hill snow across the uk, and then another low for the weekend. storm kathleen named. i met erin because the strongest winds will because the strongest winds will be republic of ireland, be for the republic of ireland, but will be blustery but it will be blustery overnight nevertheless, with some places. those some heavy rain in places. those spells particularly some heavy rain in places. those spells northernicularly some heavy rain in places. those spells northern and rly some heavy rain in places. those spells northern and western affecting northern and western parts of the country, although

the far north of scotland staying of that staying clear of that with a touch frost places. but touch of frost in places. but it's scotland it's across central scotland where there's the risk of disruption start off disruption as we start off friday. rain disruption for lower parts of the central belt for and higher parts of the central belt and into central scotland. the risk of some disruptive snow up to ten centimetres so above 300m disruptive snow up to ten centincause so above 300m disruptive snow up to ten centincause someabove 300m disruptive snow up to ten centincause some issues. 00m disruptive snow up to ten centincause some issues. first could cause some issues. first thing that peters out through the day it stays cold in the day and it stays cold in northern scotland, but elsewhere it's a mild day. early rain clears to showers , some sunny clears to showers, some sunny spells in between the downpours , spells in between the downpours, with highs or even 19 with highs of 18 or even 19 celsius the south—east. celsius towards the south—east. another blustery day on saturday. in fact, it becomes increasingly windy as heavy rain moves north across scotland and northern ireland. first thing replaced by showers , some replaced by showers, some sunshine in between the showers. the wind will be strong with gusts of 50 to 70 miles an hour for western britain and northern ireland, but it will also be a warm wind. highs of 20 or 21 celsius. >> that warm feeling inside and from boxt boilers. >> sponsors of

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