ridiculousness of scotland's new hate crime bill and breaking news. the writer will not be investigated by police for her tweets and our generation z, that's the end of 27. too lazy to work while 25% of them are not working or studying , not working or studying, managers say they are a nightmare. is that your experience .7 but why might they experience? but why might they be so lazy? and if you own a second home, you could see your council tax rise by 80% next yeah council tax rise by 80% next year. is this the way to save communities from out of towners

nicking all their houses ? or is nicking all their houses? or is it a tax on hard work and individual success? and tenerife residents are ready to take to the streets to protest about ulez, about all of us brits abroad eating burgers instead of paella and not caring, apparently about spanish culture. our brits abroad behaving badly and if so , why? behaving badly and if so, why? and certainly not behaving badly. we've had a message from a certain sun kissed someone. >> hello, it's bev and curve. i heard all the rumours about the canary islands. >> well, more of that to come. so stick around to hear michelle's take on british tourists abroad. all that in the next hour. but first, the very latest news headlines with polly. >> bev, thank you, and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb newsroom

tonight is that lord cameron has told his israeli counterpart today that major changes must be made to make sure the safety of aid workers in gaza is complete. the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, described the killing of seven aid workers, including three british nationals, as tragic and unintended , and they'd been unintended, and they'd been delivering vital food supplies, travelling into armoured cars marked clearly with the world central kitchen logo. the aid group claims the attack was carried out despite them coordinating their movements with the israeli military. well today, israel's defence minister has said a new situation room will be opened with international groups to facilitate the safe delivery of aid . but here facilitate the safe delivery of aid. but here the facilitate the safe delivery of aid . but here the prime aid. but here the prime minister, rishi sunak, is calling for a full investigation into what happened . into what happened. >> shocked and saddened to hear the reported deaths of aid workers in gaza. we're urgently working to confirm all the details, but my thoughts right now are with their friends and family. they're doing fantastic

work bringing alleviation to the suffering that many are experiencing in gaza. they should be praised and commended for what they're doing. they need to be allowed do that need to be allowed to do that work unhindered. and it's incumbent to make sure incumbent on israel to make sure that they can do that. and we're asking israel to investigate what urgently, because what happened urgently, because clearly questions that what happened urgently, because clear|to questions that what happened urgently, because clear|to be questions that what happened urgently, because clear|to be answered.tions that need to be answered. >> rishi sunak now comments about scotland's new hate crime law, posted to social media by the authorj.k. rowling, aren't criminal, to according police scotland. the new law was introduced yesterday and seeks to ban hatred against people on certain grounds . but the harry certain grounds. but the harry potter author says it risks silencing genuine debate on issues around gender, as well as ignonng issues around gender, as well as ignoring the rights of women and girls. the prime minister has backed those concerns, saying people shouldn't be criminalised for stating simple biological fact. for stating simple biological fact . finland for stating simple biological fact. finland is to observe a day of mourning tomorrow after a 12 year old child was killed and

two others were seriously wounded in a shooting that was carried out by another child at a primary school north of helsinki . it's understood a helsinki. it's understood a permit for the handgun that used to belong to a relative of the suspect was found. police say. the 12 year old boy has admitted carrying out the shooting, but the exact circumstances in which it aren't yet clear. it happened aren't yet clear. sports brand adidas says it's going to redesign its german football shirts, featuring the number 44, amid concerns over a resemblance to the nazi ss symbol. the new kits were launched last month ahead of germany hosting the european championship, but a historian flagged similarities with the ss logo. of course, that was the nazi germany elite military guard under hitler. the country's football association now says it didn't spot the striking similarities when the design was first approved. but it will now be changed. good news for house hunters here in the uk, mortgage approvals have

hit a 17 month high and that coincides with a fall in house pnces. coincides with a fall in house prices . according to the bank of prices. according to the bank of england, mortgage approvals rose to their highest level since the market turmoil sparked by liz truss's mini—budget, and house pnces truss's mini—budget, and house prices fell by 0.2% in march. that means the average price of a home in britain is now just over £260,000. the government's face criticism today of its plan to expand funded childcare for working parents, and in the very first week of it being rolled out across england, meeting parents in hartlepool this morning, the prime minister rejected claims that nurseries just can't cope with increasing demand as a result of the new policy . rishi sunak says the policy. rishi sunak says the package of support for families has introduced in stages to give time for more places to be made available at nurseries. but the leader of the liberal democrats , leader of the liberal democrats, ed davey, says it shows the conservatives are out of touch . conservatives are out of touch. >> it's not just about

registering, it's about whether the childcare is actually there. and in community after community, people are finding that there aren't the nursery places, there aren't the childminders and parents are very disappointed, actually. they've been promised help by the conservatives. but childcare is chaos under the is in chaos under the conservatives and it needs dramatic reform now. >> so ed davey now, have you ever gone incognito while using google chrome as a browser? well your private information may just have been stored anyway by the tech giant, but now, thanks to a us court ruling, google will be forced to delete all private user data, which wasn't supposed to have been tracked and despite the case being filed in the states, the judgement will also apply internationally, including here in the uk. google dismissed the merits of the case, saying it involved only old technical data that was never associated with individuals . that's the news. individuals. that's the news. for the latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts, scan the qr code on your screen right now or go gb news. common alerts

or go to gb news. common alerts. >> very good evening. welcome to dewbs& co with me this evening and all week bev turner with my with me tonight. my panel deputy editor of conservativehome, henry and former of henry hill and former editor of labourlist , peter edwards. good labourlist, peter edwards. good evening, gentlemen. forget evening, gentlemen. don't forget , you can get in touch with us all evening. vaiews@gbnews.com or on twitter at gb news. so rishi sunak has entered the fray defending jk rowling after the author highlighted the potential ridiculousness of the new hate crime law that's now effect in scotland , sunak said people scotland, sunak said people should not be criminalised for stating simple facts on biology. this is of course in relation to the transgender debate. a police scotland spokesperson has said we have received complaints in relation to the social media posts. the comments are not assessed to be criminal and no further action will be taken. thatis further action will be taken. that is very latest line on this because of course jk rowling put

lots of tweets on her twitter account when this came into force yesterday on the 1st of april, and she cited here we go . april, and she cited here we go. this was one of the first ones. scotland's hate crime act, she said, comes into effect today. women gain no additional protections, of course, but well—known beth well—known trans activist beth douglas prominent douglas darling of prominent blah blah blah, lovely scottish lass and convicted double rapist isla bryson found her true authentic female self. and she said so to respect tyler's pronouns, etc. and fragile flower kate leigh dollar , six flower kate leigh dollar, six foot five, was rightly sent to a women's prison in scotland. so what she's doing here is she is listing the various individuals transgender people who have been in trouble with the law for, in some cases, sexual offences . and some cases, sexual offences. and then at the end of it, she says. and i don't believe that these are women, so come and arrest me

are women, 50 come and arrest me i are women, so come and arrest me , peter, let me come to you. we now know that she won't be investigated by the police, but was she right to raise awareness of this potentially tyrannical piece of law dressed up as concern for vulnerable people? >> i think it's a badly drafted law by the scottish government, and i understand it. the police in scotland have said they may have to investigate fewer crimes like burglaries to like burglaries in order to pursue, hate crimes of this nature. under the new offence, jk rowling . you know, she's a jk rowling. you know, she's a respected author, she's gender critical. she's entitled to her views. i think i might have put them slightly differently if i was her, she's named ten people. as i understand it, not all of them have criminal convictions, but several of them do. i think this is such a grave matter and we're concerned about, dignity of trans women , but also the of trans women, but also the safety of women born female , safety of women born female, before you even get on to how you look after children who are going through these issues, you know, permanent medical changes

and so on and so on. i think jk rowling is completely entitled to raise it. i think she could have done it a little bit differently, perhaps with a bit more sensitivity. >> would say, i guess >> but she would say, i guess that in terms this debate, that in terms of this debate, she rarely shown any she is rarely shown any sensitivity from the other side. from yes , she's faced terrible from yes, she's faced terrible abuse. >> and i think, that is also the concern i have, that it's a very inflamed argument. i don't think this new law introduced by scottish first minister humza yousaf, is going to change things. we already know there's so many other areas of public services failing in scotland, and there's a crisis in drug deaths, and it's incredibly sad and grim that jk has and grim that jk rowling has faced such abuse. i think she could have put the point slightly differently. >> but you say this hasn't been the in itself is not worded the law in itself is not worded correctly , but do need a law correctly, but do we need a law to police hate because you can't stop people hating? it's a normal , stop people hating? it's a normal, natural emotion. and if you carry out a violent act, that's a crime. if you threaten a person, that's a crime . but

a person, that's a crime. but just saying things surely is not. it doesn't. we don't need this sort of legislation, do we? >> i can't see the case for it now. people say you shouldn't criminalise language, but some languages you rightly said is already criminal. if we have a dispute and i say to you, i'm going to thump you and you believe that and take it seriously, that is seriously, then that probably is a because you're in fear a crime because you're in fear of safety. this seems be of your safety. this seems to be something different about criminalising beliefs. well, you do actually >> well, if you do actually thump during the show thump me during the show tonight, peter, that would be a first. henry, let me come first. but, henry, let me come to you, what you make of it to you, what do you make of it all? because you presumably, like me, find it quite chilling that legislation like me, find it quite chilling th.all. legislation at all. >> yeah, think that, as you >> yeah, i think that, as you say, most all, but most law say, most not all, but most law focuses on behaviour, right? because you can't police because you can't really police motivations. you certainly can't police and police motivations fairly. and i think what's really being think that's what's really being highlighted is highlighted by this. as is a very badly drafted law , it's not very badly drafted law, it's not clear what the definition of hate crime what will qualify hate crime is. what will qualify under it. which means that citizens you know, citizens can't you know, pre—empt it, which is a problem for equality the law . and

for equality under the law. and what jk rowling is doing is really she's facing this really she's she's facing this forcing the scottish government to this really awful to confront this really awful choice. which where choice. right which is where either pushes boundaries either she pushes the boundaries of in relation to the of this law in relation to the trans question, and they keep backing off which case the backing off in which case the law increasingly becomes meaningless, least within meaningless, at least within this . or at some point, this sphere. or at some point, the police the bullet and the police bite the bullet and go trial, which means that go to trial, which means that they're going to be going to trial one of the wealthiest trial with one of the wealthiest women britain, a very women in britain, a very articulate advocate of her cause. would really be a cause. and it would really be a bad heyday for the law and bad press heyday for the law and the now it's not the government. now it's not just string of tweets, just this string of tweets, which rowling since said, which jk rowling has since said, is any woman is is that if any woman is prosecuted under this law for expressing , i suppose, gender expressing, i suppose, gender critical she will critical beliefs, she will repeat that woman's words on twitter and in the media, and then police will have to then the police will have to charge both them. so it charge both of them. so it really a gauntlet thrown down really is a gauntlet thrown down in a way that i don't think we've really seen very often, this single individual this kind of a single individual challenging government like this kind of a single individual challbuting government like this kind of a single individual challbut wonderful. nment like this, but wonderful. >> mean, a woman, >> i think. i mean, as a woman, i'm reassured that there is i'm very reassured that there is such powerful wealthy such a powerful and wealthy

woman there who isn't afraid woman out there who isn't afraid to litigious. if time to be litigious. if the time comes and to take on any sort of challenge against her. but i wonder whether it's all a little bit a distraction. peter, bit of a distraction. peter, from what this snooper's it is a snooper's charter, because in scotland people are being encouraged, aren't they, to, if you hear somebody say something that might stir up hatred , this that might stir up hatred, this is the phrase that could be judged by a reasonable person , a judged by a reasonable person, a what's a reasonable person? and b stirring up hatred. well, that could mean anything against people of protected characteristics. and we're looking at a kind of two tier society here where you've got religious s people of religious, any particular religion or sexual orientation, disability or gender identity protected, whereas you two wouldn't be protected under this sort of law. i wouldn't as a straight white woman either , so do we white woman either, so do we needit white woman either, so do we need it for anybody? >> well, there's a political debate around it that we've just

been having, but there's also a lawyers debate. and this is a very boring word, but it does come back to drafting because there these ambiguities there are these ambiguities within as you picked within it. as you picked out. another what constitutes another one is what constitutes a statement. you know, so a public statement. you know, so if you go on tv or in a town hall that's definitely hall meeting, that's definitely public. you're public. what about if you're talking family at home talking to your family at home or semi—public, like a or somewhere semi—public, like a pub with your friends? so, i mean, think that's really your mean, i think that's really your point about snitching that scottish as any scottish government, as with any law, they a public campaign law, they do a public campaign around and invite citizens law, they do a public campaign aroun effect,i invite citizens law, they do a public campaign aroun effect, shopte citizens law, they do a public campaign aroun effect, shop otherzens law, they do a public campaign aroun effect, shop other people to, in effect, shop other people living in scotland for the wrong language. >> so are you as if you see, if you're terrified by this, and i am and you are, who's who's in favour of this? >> i'm not terrified. and perhaps for the reasons that, joanne rowling was alluding to that it's badly drafted and perhaps it's driven by political sentiment rather than by good law. >> what would make it a better piece of legislation in your opinion, then? >> well, i think you'll have to get a lawyer on the show for that. but i think what's come out in a lot of coverage today is that the ambiguities, are

manifest. and when you're a police officer being told to prosecute with a new prosecute someone with a new law, one thing you don't law, the one thing you don't want is ambiguity jk want is ambiguity and jk rowling, a very rowling, because she's a very intelligent person, don't agree with a very with her thing, but she's a very clever she's sniffed this clever woman. she's sniffed this out that's out immediately, and that's obviously to obviously why she's vowing to repeat words of anyone who repeat the words of anyone who is she's therefore is prosecuted. she's therefore further dampening down the likelihood being prosecuted. >> i'm if asked her, >> i'm sure if you asked her, she would say she doesn't want to be involved this to be involved in this at all. she asked any of this she never asked for any of this attention this issue, but now attention on this issue, but now she finds herself it. let's she finds herself in it. let's have look at what yousaf have a look at what humza yousaf said his tweet. so this said today on his tweet. so this is the minister of is the first minister of scotland, who is scotland, of course, who is celebrating legislation. he celebrating this legislation. he says i do my best to shield my children the racism and children from the racism and islamophobia i face on regular islamophobia i face on a regular bafis islamophobia i face on a regular basis becomes increasingly basis that becomes increasingly difficult me appears near our targeting me appears near our family home. a reminder of why we must collectively take a zero tolerance approach to hatred. and there was a picture on the front page of the newspaper, which i think we can see, which is of the graffiti outside his

house. there we go, fm first minister targeted in racist graffiti on ferry wall. now this says an unkind word about islam. but henry, that's a crime of graffiti. and he's using it as an excuse to push through this. really draconian legislation. for me, the crime there is graffiti. people have always said unkind things in graffiti . said unkind things in graffiti. >> well, it's also not just graffiti. it's targeted harassment, especially if that's near his home. and again, that's an action. and that is a specific crime. that is somebody who is not just expressing an opinion the first opinion about the first minister, they are minister, which they are entitled do. it is somebody minister, which they are entitisd do. it is somebody minister, which they are entitis trackingit is somebody minister, which they are entitis trackingit is down body minister, which they are entitis trackingit is down where who is tracking him down where his and threatening who is tracking him down where his it's and threatening who is tracking him down where his it's exactlyi threatening who is tracking him down where his it's exactly the eatening who is tracking him down where his it's exactly the same ng who is tracking him down where his it's exactly the same as him. it's exactly the same as threatening to thump someone in a way. you're right that that a way. so you're right that that is an example of something which is an example of something which is covered and can be is already covered and can be sensibly covered by criminal law, is being used to law, and it is being used to push insanely push through this insanely expansive , speech expansive police speech, speech policing thing, which is also intensely subjective because the test is very vague, but it's

sort of if someone could could if someone who had overheard it hypothetically could be offended by it, how do you know? right? and it completely that completely demolishes the wall between private public between private and public speech because of us, speech. because all of us, i imagine, say things in private with groups of people whom we know we wouldn't say in know that we wouldn't say in a pubuc know that we wouldn't say in a public forum. and if you if suddenly something in a private whatsapp and whatsapp between you and somebody be published, somebody else can be published, and says, well, and then somebody says, well, well, been well, if someone else had been in that chat, they'd been in that chat, they'd have been offended that's a offended by it. and that's a crime. that an extraordinary, crime. that is an extraordinary, invasion of free speech. >> can report >> and you can be report anonymously, and if anonymously, can't you? and if there an actual level of there isn't an actual level of crime, still recorded crime, you're still recorded on the database . this as a hate. the database. this as a hate. >> but we've got to be clear, you know, however hopeless humza yousaf is, no one should face racist graffiti , and no one racist graffiti, and no one should certainly face racist graffiti on their home or around the because that is disgraceful. >> it is disgraceful. but that's a matter of policing, that's local community. that's not necessarily hate crime . people necessarily a hate crime. people have always written. i went around kenilworth, kenilworth castle was very castle yesterday. it was very

nice way back from the nice on my way back from the north south and in north down to the south and in the walls there from 13th the walls there from the 13th and 14th century, people have scraped names and they've scraped their names and they've graffitied things which were probably unkind about the royal family, especially around the civil war at the time. this is something that human beings do. >> it's not the same when it's on your home, and politician on your home, and a politician has attacked physically, on your home, and a politician has it attacked physically, on your home, and a politician has it isn't ttacked physically, on your home, and a politician has it isn't on:ked physically, on your home, and a politician has it isn't on hisi physically, on your home, and a politician has it isn't on his home cally, on your home, and a politician has it isn't on his home callyhe but it isn't on his home and he hasn't attacked physically. hasn't been attacked physically. >> word, >> it says an unkind word, a swear word about islam. and the extrapolation is it's specifically at him. it isn't even it doesn't even name him on this graffiti. and he's using that as a weapon to say this. you see, this is why we need this terrible, tyrannical piece of legislation. >> i would disaggregate those things you see things and you see it. >> hasn't though. >> he hasn't though. >> he hasn't though. >> well, you it with sexist >> well, you see it with sexist abuse as well that sadly, female legislators face abuse , whether legislators face abuse, whether they're in power or not, whether they're in power or not, whether they're bench, they're on the front bench, whether in cabinet, when whether in a cabinet, when they're backbench, there's this whether in a cabinet, when they minority ench, there's this whether in a cabinet, when they minority of ch, there's this whether in a cabinet, when they minority of aggressivethis whether in a cabinet, when they minority of aggressive folk tiny minority of aggressive folk that spray abuse around verbally, electronically and in some cases on walls, regardless

of kind of laws introduced of their kind of laws introduced by the people, they're insulting. >> i think the bit i also find baffling, henry, is this idea that you can stop hate by stopping people talking. because for me, hate speech is only solved by more. >> speech is a real. i think it's a real problem because if you think about it, objectively speaking, is this country or any other western country more or less prejudiced than it was 20 or 30 years? >> apparently not. if look >> apparently not. if you look at figures, you in at the figures, you know, in terms know, to day terms of, you know, day to day experience, experience experience, people's experience of still happens. >> but compared to past. but >> but compared to the past. but the problem now is that with the internet, connected. internet, we're also connected. one, groups one, minority groups with hateful find it much hateful attitudes find it much easier to connect to each other, right? 20 years ago, you might have had a really negative opinion of islam or whatever, but probably going to but you were probably going to say everywhere, and say that everywhere, and therefore have say that everywhere, and theref< other have say that everywhere, and theref

onto the internet all of their bile. it looks like a much bile. and it looks like a much bigger problem perhaps it bigger problem than perhaps it is is important that we is now. it is important that we maintain a zero tolerance towards kind of thing in in towards this kind of thing in in pubuc towards this kind of thing in in public spaces, because of course, people in the 13th course, the people in the 13th and 14th century who were doing that were killing each that graffiti were killing each other religious wars. right. other in religious wars. right. like real consequences. >> we're not doing now. >> we're not doing that now. >> we're not doing that now. >> not here at least. >> not here at least. >> is important that we >> but it is important that we separate from this kind separate that from this kind of legislation, is just a legislation, which is just a grotesque overreach, because ultimately and ultimately people are not and cannot compelled law to cannot be compelled by law to think thoughts in their think good thoughts in their private lives. >> right. let us know >> correct? right. let us know at what think . at home what you think. vaiews@gbnews.com is the email address. and when you think about the conversation we've just been having about the fact that we're all frightened of everything, and you remember sticks and stones will break my bones, words will never hurt bones, but words will never hurt me. well, the case me. well, that isn't the case anymore. is it? a maybe? that's partly why generation that's anymore. is it? a maybe? that's pariunder'generation that's anymore. is it? a maybe? that's pariunder'geseconds, that's anymore. is it? a maybe? that's pariunder' geseconds, don't t's anymore. is it? a maybe? that's pariunder' geseconds, don't have the under 27 seconds, don't have the under 27 seconds, don't have the resilience, the work ethic. they're lazy and they don't even bother to turn up for their first day at work. why? we're

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gb news. good evening. this is dewbs& co with me. bev turner and keeping me company until 7:00. deputy editor of conservativehome henry henry hill and former editor of labourlist, peter edwards. right now , generation z. they are aged now, generation z. they are aged between 12 and 27. there are currently 3,000,000 million of them not in work or employment, which is about 25% of the total. they are lazy, they are weak, and they're constantly feel sorry for themselves. so why would anyone give generation z a job, come to you job, henry, let me come to you first, if you don't mind me asking. you're. how old are you ? asking. you're. how old are you? >> oh, i mean, i'm older than that. >> you're older than that. okay, okay. he's being coy about his age, so do you work with generation z? and what do you

find you do? find when you do? >> mean , i work with we have >> i mean, i work with we have one the team at one on the team at conservativehome, but i remember one on the team at consepeople|ome, but i remember one on the team at consepeople were but i remember one on the team at consepeople were sayingemember one on the team at consepeople were saying allzmber one on the team at consepeople were saying all ofber when people were saying all of this about millennials, yeah. which so i'm always which i am one. so i'm always i'm slightly sceptical. i i'm always slightly sceptical. i mean, i think the challenge that they compared to previous they face compared to previous generations is obviously covid had a huge impact. but if you think about it, they many more of them go to university, whereas previously many of them would gone straight from would have gone straight from school, is a relatively school, which is a relatively structured environment into employment is employment and university is a great chance to unlearn the habhs great chance to unlearn the habits structure, as habits of structure, as i learned i went, are in learned when i went, they are in an environment there's no an environment where there's no wage there hasn't been an environment where there's no wage growth there hasn't been an environment where there's no wage growth since; hasn't been an environment where there's no wage growth since 2008.t been an environment where there's no wage growth since 2008. cost n an environment where there's no wage growth since 2008. cost of living higher than ever, and living is higher than ever, and as alluded to in this piece, as is alluded to in this piece, they are increasingly , using they are increasingly, using different forms of communication to what we did. you know, i had a nokia when i started, which gives you a clearer idea of what my is, whereas now it is a my age is, whereas now it is a it a challenge getting some it is a challenge getting some of pick up the phone. of them to pick up the phone. that's one i have found. that's one thing i have found. it's have you, have you it's like, have you, have you got in touch with them? i've sent an email and then sent

sent them an email and then sent them whatsapp. i'll send them sent them an email and then sent tisecond. hatsapp. i'll send them sent them an email and then sent tisecond. it's;app. i'll send them sent them an email and then sent tisecond. it's like, i'll send them sent them an email and then sent tisecond. it's like, callsend them sent them an email and then sent tisecond. it's like, call them.1em a second. it's like, call them. yeah, but these are things that a second. it's like, call them. yeailearn.these are things that a second. it's like, call them. yeailearn. ande are things that a second. it's like, call them. yeailearn. and; are thithatthat a second. it's like, call them. yeailearn. and; are thithat the you learn. and i think that the important thing, how frustrating it sometimes is when you're reading stories, reading these stories, and it must be frustrating for employers, 21 year employers, is that if 21 year olds, 22 olds arriving olds, 22 year olds are arriving in work unready for in the world of work unready for it, that's because haven't it, that's because they haven't had the opportunity learn had the opportunity to learn those along the way. and those things along the way. and that's we need to that's where i think we need to look, could also do look, employers could also do more. is it's their job more. it is it's not theirjob fundamentally to do that raising of that's the job of of people. that's the job of schools, universities and parents many young parents and if so many young people simply ill equipped parents and if so many young pework simply ill equipped parents and if so many young pework in simply ill equipped parents and if so many young pework in an nply ill equipped parents and if so many young pework in an office .l equipped to work in an office environment, that is something that needs fixed before environment, that is something that getds fixed before environment, that is something that get their. fixed before they get their. >> i guess what they might >> well, i guess what they might say is i don't want to say to that is i don't want to work in an office environment. an office environment is not for me. and that's what some of this research finding research has been finding out, that see the that they just don't see the world work in the same way. world of work in the same way. the generational shift. there's always of a paradigm always been a bit of a paradigm shift. hasn't peter, in shift. hasn't the peter, in terms generations of how terms of generations of how we view work , whether you want it view work, whether you want it to down and, you know, dig to go down and, you know, dig coal out and the next generation

will ridiculous. will think that was ridiculous. like, this feels like a like, but this feels like a profound shift. yeah. >> profound. post—covid and >> it's profound. post—covid and i think henry teased out a lot of the issues very well because this is a much bigger social change. some of it is economic. so you know, generation z, young folk, harder than ever , probably folk, harder than ever, probably for generation a for that generation to buy a home. and you're lucky enough home. and if you're lucky enough to to university, the debt is to go to university, the debt is colossal student fees and colossal from student fees and living is a millstone living and that is a millstone round similarly when round your neck. similarly when i started in the workplace as a reporter, you know, 20 reporter, you know, close to 20 years very years ago, sometimes very occasionally, say, occasionally, people would say, peter , your is. and then peter, your work is. and then they'd a very rude word that they'd use a very rude word that i this show. so i can't repeat on this show. so clearly, like are clearly, things like that are being eradicated . that's a good being eradicated. that's a good sign because shouldn't get sign because you shouldn't get like of bad language when like a ton of bad language when you feedback, that's you get feedback, but that's just feedback . just good robust feedback. >> and that's why they can't take because no one's honest take it, because no one's honest with them anymore. >> but then other things that come mean for the come under respect mean for the gen if you're not turning gen z are if you're not turning up something you should put gen z are if you're not turning upa something you should put gen z are if you're not turning upa callnething you should put gen z are if you're not turning upa call and ing you should put gen z are if you're not turning upa call and sayyou should put gen z are if you're not turning upa call and say you're ould put gen z are if you're not turning upa call and say you're not put in a call and say you're not coming and apologise and try and rearrange explain so the rearrange or explain why. so the idea you get a job offer

idea that you get a job offer and then don't even turn up and don't tell the company is absolutely dire. and then, as henry you know, we've both henry says, you know, we've both worked for small businesses often fast often very stressful and fast moving. if there's an emergency , moving. if there's an emergency, we, like shortage of we, you know, like shortage of money the product you sell. money or the product you sell. and one colleague is sending a whatsapp to another, dear me, you have to be able to pick up the phone in pretty much any job in the country. and that's a vital skill. >> yeah, my three teenagers, >> yeah, i my three teenagers, not really makes not one of them really makes a phone call to a friend. they don't make a phone call people, which means don't make a phone call. they've all got smartphones and they're all just snapchatting each other on little so when little messages. and so when there's that to be there's a job that needs to be sought, i think my children would be nervous to make a phone call . call. >> but a lot of a lot of my generation when you first started, because even, you know, back then, it it was less back then, it was it was less common. so there is that common. and so there is that initial nervousness, but it's something by doing. something you get over by doing. right. very quick once right. it's very quick once you've few calls, you've done a few phone calls, especially a job especially if you're in a job that it, you over that requires it, you get over it very quickly and you realise

actually a much more actually it's a much more effective getting things effective way of getting things done. it pins somebody down time wise. i think challenge wise. i think that the challenge really working from home. really is one working from home. look home. look can't home works from home. so not on the no so i'm absolutely not on the no one should home one should work from home brigade. but i think for younger workers considerable workers there are considerable downsides, is simply that downsides, which is simply that you don't acculturated into you don't get acculturated into the work. out the world of work. you miss out on opportunities that on the social opportunities that you the office when you often get in the office when you're on being you're younger, and on being visible of your boss visible in front of your boss and ability to learn and get and the ability to learn and get feedback. and i also think that whilst it's definitely that whilst it's definitely true that it's people aren't it's good that people aren't slinging at each it's good that people aren't slingi anymore, at each it's good that people aren't slingi anymore, i at each it's good that people aren't slingi anymore, i do at each it's good that people aren't slingi anymore, i do thinkach it's good that people aren't slingi anymore, i do think that other anymore, i do think that perhaps days the ability perhaps these days the ability to robust feedback is maybe to give robust feedback is maybe is, maybe maybe been got rid is, maybe has maybe been got rid of much. you now have to of too much. you now have to sort of pussyfoot around a little it about little bit. you read it about the of the decline of the the sort of the decline of the school report. example, you school report. for example, you read reviews that read these scathing reviews that politicians and famous figures used from their teachers used to get from their teachers back in the day. that's now no longer done. i that longer done. and i think that whilst it's never pleasant, certainly found it certainly i've never found it pleasant. receiving direct feedback when you've done something the something wrong is actually the best go it. whereas

best way to go about it. whereas a you know, we've got, a more, you know, we've got, somebody we've got loads somebody going, we've got loads of emails coming and sienna of emails coming in and sienna good sienna, she said, good evening sienna, she said, i said 20 years if we keep said 20 years ago, if we keep wrapping in cotton wrapping kids in cotton wool, we're end up with a we're going to end up with a generation adults. generation of weak adults. >> said. here we are, >> she said. and here we are, something has fundamentally changed, and i do think lockdowns massive impact lockdowns had a massive impact on this generation. there was two years where they didn't do work, experience and actually they just sitting they really enjoyed just sitting in room and doing in their room and doing absolutely nothing. got absolutely nothing. and we got them to that . and i think them used to that. and i think that's very break, but that's very hard to break, but there is something about wrapping them in cotton wool. i think it happened under tony blair. >> i don't think it's particularly of tony blair. i think it's something much bigger that social change, economic change and technology, which i think we've got to treat, you know , what's that phrase from know, what's that phrase from shakespeare about? know, shakespeare about? you know, technologies servant, shakespeare about? you know, technologies servant , not technologies are servant, not our master. i can only say something like, from something like, is that from shakespeare ? yeah, but he said shakespeare? yeah, but he said about alcohol, i was going to say use word boss, say he didn't use the word boss, but like a. yeah, what was but it's like a. yeah, what was it? a boss or whatever? it? a poor boss or whatever? yeah, good servant, but i can

yeah, a good servant, but i can only for my own only speak for my own experience. you know, was experience. you know, when i was a reporter on newspapers a trainee reporter on newspapers 20 i picked 20 years ago, i picked up a landline telephone and rang people asked some people up and asked some questions. i learnt from questions. and i learnt from that. i also learnt from the that. but i also learnt from the other people in the office other 20 people in the office who'd doing for 30 who'd been doing that for 30 years, listening to how did years, listening to how they did it. think true in most it. i think that's true in most jobs. you know, teaching public services certainly if services is certainly true. if you're a bus, or you're driving a bus, maybe 1 or 2 internet 2 things, you know, internet related roles , you can do a lot related roles, you can do a lot more from home. but when you're a trainee in anything, you've got to be around people who are veterans. >> speak to henry to >> and you speak to henry to this idea that there's just not much point. like you say, the wages haven't they look wages haven't gone up. they look at and we're to be at homes and we're going to be talking tax on second talking about tax on second homes a minute. look at homes in a minute. they look at buying they think, i'm buying a house. they think, i'm never to be able to afford never going to be able to afford a deposit of 100 grand 50 a deposit of 100 grand or 50 grand a house. so what grand to get a house. so what what they to aim for? i what do they have to aim for? i think a lot of them have just completely lowered their standards. they've got everything in the palm standards. they've got ev their ng in the palm standards. they've got evtheir hand. in the palm standards. they've got evtheir hand. this in the palm standards. they've got evtheir hand. this is in the palm standards. they've got evtheir hand. this is their; palm of their hand. this is their entertainment and somehow we have them up and put a

have to wake them up and put a rocket backsides get rocket up their backsides to get out get job. out and get a job. >> yeah, but think part of >> yeah, but i think part of thatis >> yeah, but i think part of that is making the rewards tangible affordable, right? tangible and affordable, right? you know, makes sense to an you know, it makes sense to an extent. think it's in many extent. i think it's bad in many ways, it makes sense to an ways, but it makes sense to an extent. if you're a young person ways, but it makes sense to an extentbecause'e a young person ways, but it makes sense to an extentbecause of) young person ways, but it makes sense to an extentbecause of fees,1g person ways, but it makes sense to an extentbecause of fees, you're on today because of fees, you're going paying a higher going to be paying a higher marginal than your going to be paying a higher margicolleagues, than your going to be paying a higher margi colleagues, you're our going to be paying a higher margicolleagues, you're no older colleagues, you're no longer sort of wages longer get sort of your wages don't up every year. the only don't go up every year. the only way you get pay increase is by way you get a pay increase is by moving job, which you have to do therefore aggressively. therefore quite aggressively. if you're terms you're really ambitious in terms of a house, especially of your pay, a house, especially in or the south east in london or the south east where the jobs are, is where a lot of the jobs are, is decades away of not an inheritance. like if housing were affordable you could inheritance. like if housing werecoulddable you could inheritance. like if housing werecould get e you could inheritance. like if housing werecould get the you could inheritance. like if housing werecould get the milestonesi inheritance. like if housing werecould get the milestones of you could get the milestones of maturity that we to maturity that we used to associate people associate with adulthood. people work if you think work for them. if you think saving up for years is saving up for five years is enough for mortgage, people enough for a mortgage, people will but if you ask will do it. but if you ask somebody in their early 20s who's not much who's already not got much money, if save up money, or, well, if you save up for years with your very for 20 years with your very small amount of disposable income, you'll able to income, maybe you'll be able to buy house. of course, they're buy a house. of course, they're going to that money on going to spend that money on other and thing other things. and the thing about and

about internet and phone entertainment once entertainment is that once you've the it's free, you've got the thing, it's free, right? that's why they're there. if got a games console or if you've got a games console or a computer, that's a one off expense, and you play expense, and then you can play it as you so it for as long as you like. so we to make our cities and we need to make our cities and indeed country more indeed our country more affordable. that will affordable. and then that will create incentive structure create an incentive structure for to go out there for young people to go out there and earn money. >> where do they the >> where do they get the incentive moment as incentive from? at the moment as well? because idea well? peter, because this idea of a hard day's work being good for the soul, fully believe that. look their that. but if you look at their generation instagrammers generation of instagrammers and youtubers, theirjob, and it baffles me, but their job is baffles me, but theirjob is often filming their day. often just filming their day. some the people kids look some of the people my kids look up when i say, what do they up to when i say, what do they do? well, they're an instagrammer. what does that mean? get up the mean? well, they get up in the morning, they their morning, they film their breakfast, tell you what breakfast, they tell you what they're wearing. >> point about role >> this is a point about role models, isn't it? because most >> this is a point about role m> this is a point about role m

parent, a friend, someone you do a sports with could be someone from religious it from a religious institution. it shouldn't so shouldn't be someone that's so distant in hollywood or in wembley because in wembley stadium, because in reality, us aren't going reality, most of us aren't going to play football england or to play football for england or go hollywood. we're to go to hollywood. we're going to work public sector or in work in the public sector or in a small business. >> but but they're not kicking a ball with the best 22 players in the world. they're literally just filming themselves, doing their mundane day to day stuff. and so they look at that and go, well, that looks like an easy job. >> well, i think that's part of it. but if you think about it, it's aspirational, right? because we've had this, because we've always had this, we've had people, you we've always had people, you know, the know, we all used to watch the big about rich people big programmes about rich people renovating and renovating their houses and so on. even though they weren't houses we afford. but it houses we could afford. but it was. enjoyed it. there were was. we enjoyed it. there were magazines got looks magazines where we got looks into stars lives, i think into stars lives, and i think that of the same that this is kind of the same thing. right because lot of thing. right because a lot of these influencers, what they're doing, go on doing, you know, they go on holidays, have flats. holidays, they have nice flats. they to get the they were able to get the clothes want. kind clothes they want. they're kind of it's of just living. it's an aspirational they're aspirational thing. they're living that of living the life that many of these people wish they could

live. it'sjust these people wish they could live. it's just quite sad that whereas generation was live. it's just quite sad that wbigeas generation was live. it's just quite sad that wbig house,eneration was live. it's just quite sad that wbig house, it'sation was live. it's just quite sad that wbig house, it's now was live. it's just quite sad that wbig house, it's now just was a big house, it's now just living a fairly aesthetic version of normal life. version of a normal life. >> yeah, because i was going to say, the people say, because at least the people who in the magazines on who were in the magazines and on the famous for something. >> they were big house >> they were the big house shows. were just rich. shows. they were just rich. yeah, they were rich because yeah, but they were rich because they'd something. they'd worked hard at something. >> a business or they >> be that a business or they were singers or actors or, you know, they had a profession, whereas because of social media now monetising media, now and monetising social media, these can just these gen z—ers can just literally broadcast their day, get mobile phones. get kids off mobile phones. >> lot of social >> it'll help a lot of social problems. i couldn't agree more phones. >> ban them for the under 16, would you? >> i'd make them telephone and text take the internet text only, but take the internet off you know, if you're off them. you know, if you're a teenager walking home, good teenager walking home, it's good to can ring to have something you can ring an yeah but, you an emergency. yeah but, you know, we'd all like to keep our kids. >> there's no political for >> there's no political will for that, there? because that is >> there's no political will for tibig there? because that is >> there's no political will for tibig partere? because that is >> there's no political will for tibig part of? because that is >> there's no political will for tibig part of this cause that is >> there's no political will for tibig part of this story, that is >> there's no political will for tibig part of this story, aiat is >> there's no political will for tibig part of this story, a bigs a big part of this story, a big part of why generation z are lazy is because they're all tech zombies. >> well, how do you do it? right? because the thing is, you can you you can ban it in

can you can you can ban it in controlled environments like schools. but how you ban schools. but how do you ban smartphones 16? smartphones for under 16? because and parental because the social and parental pressure be there. pressure will still be there. you're not to you can't you're not going to you can't have end user checking when have an end user checking when you're the store, like you're at the apple store, like you're at the apple store, like you're going to give this to you're at the apple store, like you'r14 going to give this to you're at the apple store, like you'r14 gold to give this to you're at the apple store, like you'r14 g but it should become socially unacceptable for the under 60s. it become watching it should become like watching a 14 smoking 14 year old smoking at the dinner should be that dinner table. it should be that socially to have an socially unacceptable to have an iphone, smartphone. socially unacceptable to have an iph�*he, smartphone. socially unacceptable to have an iph�*i mean,nartphone. socially unacceptable to have an iph�*i mean, iartphone. socially unacceptable to have an iph�*i mean, i mean, |e. socially unacceptable to have an iph�*i mean, i mean, in fairness, >> i mean, i mean, in fairness, given conformist they are, i given how conformist they are, i think 14 year smoking think it's 14 year old smoking at dinner table. at the dinner table. >> i think you'd find it quite refreshing. we're not condoning that. for that. everybody expensive for kids? also true, kids? well this is also true, right? and henry, thanks right? peter and henry, thanks for we're for having just a minute. we're going about the fact going to talk about the fact that three quarters england's that three quarters of england's second set to be second home owners are set to be charged double council tax next yeah charged double council tax next year. that right way to year. is that the right way to save communities, particularly year. is that the right way to sa'beautiful|nities, particularly year. is that the right way to sa'beautiful parts, particularly year. is that the right way to sa'beautiful parts, pour:ularly in beautiful parts of our country, or is an assault on country, or is it an assault on aspiration stick around? aspiration and stick around? also a message michelle also for a message from michelle

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gb news. good evening. this is dewbs& co with me. bev turner tonight. keeping me company until seven. deputy editor of conservativehome henry hill and former conservativehome henry hill and formeedwards. now, if you own peter edwards. now, if you own a second home, lucky you. but you could be facing an 80% increase on council tax for that on your council tax for that property. as many as 130,000 properties will be affected by the rise, which is estimated to raise at least £215 million for council. so should second homes be taxed more? henry, let me come to you. i sympathise with the rural communities who who for whom family members can find it very difficult to get on the property ladder because you've got people who live in london who've bought up a lovely big second home and they rent it out, with a local

out, let's say, with a local agency. however, still want agency. however, i do still want to in a country where you to live in a country where you want hard enough to be want to work hard enough to be able to afford something as luxurious as home. luxurious as a second home. >> mean, think second homes, >> i mean, i think second homes, should be way more common than they are, really. if we didn't have a housing crisis. france same population as us. twice the number of second homes, right? especially, you you should especially, you know, you should be have a pied terre be able to have a pied a terre in london where you just have a little flat then your family little flat and then your family home outside. if work, home is outside. if you work, all that be doable. all of that should be doable. and not because we have and it's not because we have a housing crisis and a massive shortage. there genuine shortage. now, there are genuine problems most problems here. i think the most sympathetic case is probably airbnb, because that is is sympathetic case is probably airb led because that is is sympathetic case is probably airb led to :ause that is is sympathetic case is probably airb led to ithe that is is sympathetic case is probably airb led to it was hat is is sympathetic case is probably airb led to it was originally is has led to it was originally just people had a nice way to let their flat if they away just people had a nice way to let a|eir flat if they away just people had a nice way to let a weekat if they away just people had a nice way to let a week andthey away just people had a nice way to let a week and it's' away just people had a nice way to let a week and it's turnediway just people had a nice way to let a week and it's turned into for a week and it's turned into basically vehicle for large basically a vehicle for large corporate to take corporate landlords to take a large amount of housing stock in cities. problem. cities. that's a problem. but the we here is a lot the issue we have here is a lot of most heavily affected of the most heavily affected communities like cornwall. they are reliant tourist are also reliant on tourist income. that's from the income. right. that's from the houday income. right. that's from the holiday that's from holiday lets. that's from the second yeah. if you second homes. yeah. and if you crack that you'll raise crack down on that you'll raise most will only raise a

most councils will only raise a few thousands in few tens of thousands in revenue. but you will lose much more economic activity. so more in economic activity. so where is greatest, where the pressure is greatest, they to build more they need to build more homes. and council is not building and if a council is not building more homes, have sympathy more homes, i have no sympathy for it. >> on the question second >> on the question of second homes, have a look at some homes, let's have a look at some of this, because of the numbers on this, because we thinking about whether of the numbers on this, because we doubling;ing about whether of the numbers on this, because we doubling of] about whether of the numbers on this, because we doubling of councilwhether of the numbers on this, because we doubling of council taxther this doubling of council tax would make any difference. if you're wealthy enough to own a second have second house. so here we have a house padstow in cornwall, house in padstow in cornwall, very area, very sought after area, a detached five bedroom family home £2.4 million home could cost you £2.4 million and council tax there would and the council tax there would be band f, which was about £3,000 £3,383. but you would get if you let that house out 3 to £6000 per week . so if you double £6000 per week. so if you double the council tax there to say £7,000 a year, peter, it's still you're going to still pay that back with one week's full rental at peak season. >> well, this is a key thing. and it goes to the politics underlying it that there isn't much political sympathy for

landlords, they're landlords, whether they're an elderly couple with, you elderly elderly couple with, you know, one investment property or it's something lets , or it's something holiday lets, or the rich who just live in the really rich who just live in homes in two different places in london, monday to thursday , and london, monday to thursday, and the countryside the the beautiful countryside the rest time. but i think rest of the time. but i think your example made the point. although most second homes aren't 2.4 million, they're worth much, less. but worth much, much, much less. but even if you own two homes, say at 300 k and you've got capital of 600 k and an extra bill of £2,000 is minuscule in proportion to that. and this really goes to the point that the government is much, poorer, i think, obviously post covid it's even worse. but the tories have continued to run a deficit. in reality, whoever being in government after covid, it would have been very, very difficult to run any kind of surplus. so the government has got poorer. they've of they've transferred a lot of that pre and post covid onto local authorities who've had a budget of 40. so budget cut of about 40. so councils are looking for revenue raises because we all know your bin collection is now once every

2 or 3 weeks rather than weekly. so councils poorer. that so councils are poorer. that flows central government. flows from central government. councils sticking councils are basically sticking their down the back of their fingers down the back of their fingers down the back of the looking a few the sofa, looking for a few pennies, it seems like this pennies, but it seems like this will just be a few pennies in relative terms. but then that is just using as a money making just using it as a money making scheme changing scheme as opposed to changing the home ownership, the landscape of home ownership, isn't the landscape of home ownership, isn'it's the landscape of home ownership, isn' it's just the landscape of home ownership, isn'it's just feels just >> it's just it feels just another tax on people working really let's look at really hard. let's look at another coniston in really hard. let's look at ano lake coniston in really hard. let's look at ano lake district, coniston in really hard. let's look at ano lake district, beautiful:on in the lake district, beautiful part of the world. so if you had a house in coniston, let's say it costs £375,000 for a three bed end of terrace, your council tax £700 a year if you double that to whatever it is 3400. we've got the holiday let in padstow there, but it's going to be a lot less, i think the houday be a lot less, i think the holiday let for coniston was about between 500 and £1000 a week, so much less, but you're still going to cover your cost of increasing council tax with the revenue from your holiday let. so it's not going to make any difference to people saying,

oh, i'm going to have to sell my second home because i can't afford double council tax. >> mean, if anything, it >> no, i mean, if anything, it might some who might induce some people who just a second home as just have a second home as a second home to at making second home to look at making that revenue option, right? to go airbnb or another one and go to airbnb or another one and be like, okay, if we let it out for of the year, for three weeks of the year, we'll we'll the we'll cover, we'll cover the costs. but think that the costs. but i think that the point is, that the councils are running out of and that point is, that the councils are runnirnowrt of and that point is, that the councils are runnirnow increasingly,|nd that we're now increasingly, desperately to find ways desperately trying to find ways to postpone reckoning to postpone a reckoning with them money them running out of money because be absolutely because it will be absolutely horrifying. all of their horrifying. nearly all of their budget consumed by social budget is consumed by social care, educational needs, budget is consumed by social care a educational needs, budget is consumed by social care a lochational needs, budget is consumed by social care a iof other1al needs, budget is consumed by social care a iof other centralis, and a couple of other central government responsibilities. the government has recently allowed, more number of more than a decent number of them start selling to them to start selling assets to cover costs, is an cover costs, which is an absolute spiral. this absolute insolvency spiral. this is to change is not going to change very much. i the problem much. and i think the problem is, as i alluded to earlier, if you did something that was sweeping actually sweeping enough to actually change things in many tourism dependent bits of the country, what doing is what you'd actually be doing is killing economy, which killing the local economy, which would affordable would make housing affordable but come terrible kill. >> the restaurants and the pubs and everything okay. all and everything else. okay. all right. we're going right. thanks, guys. we're going

to quick break. our to take another quick break. our british people, terrible to take another quick break. our british pwe're terrible to take another quick break. our british pwe're goingle be tourists. we're going to be talking si king from one very familiar face to you because according locals in tenerife, according to locals in tenerife, germans class of germans are a higher class of tourist than us brits. i'm offended . this is dewbs& co with offended. this is dewbs& co with bev turner on

gb news. this is dewbs& co with me. bev turner this week, while michelle is on holiday, henry hill and peter edwards are still here. now, residents of tenerife have said that they would like a higher class of tourist. please locals say they want to attract more discerning visitors who would appreciate the canary islands and more islands culture and food more than a dominant influx from the uk. so why do brits abroad have such a terrible reputation? well, the one and only michelle dewberry has sent us a message from a sun lounger in the canaries .

canaries. >> nye bevan curse me michelle dewberry, i'm missing you all and i hope you had a fantastic easter. i'm in the canary islands, but i didn't dare go to tenerife because apparently it was abroad not was brits abroad are not welcome. so know what? welcome. so you know what? i came to lanzarote instead. i can't talk about us brits not liking the culture, but i certainly can comment on a cheap booze.i certainly can comment on a cheap booze. i like it. cheers to all. >> she likes the cheap booze. thatis >> she likes the cheap booze. that is part of the problem, peter, isn't it? why as brits do we go away and drink so heavily and get ourselves into such terrible situations? >> well, i'm not sure we all do. but there's this british myth perhaps, of certainly people under the age of 30, you know, starting from your a—levels onwards, have go somewhere very hot. you know, it was a pound a pint in my day. maybe it would be a little bit more now. and then a kebab and spew then you have a kebab and spew up in the streets, and you can understand maybe people understand why. maybe people that there like that that live there don't like that very always, very much, there's always, i think, with tourists. think, tension with tourists. i think, tension with tourists. i think story feels bit of think the story feels a bit of myth when people go as myth because when people go as families, behave a

families, they behave in a different way there's lots different way and there's lots of who go and live in of retirees who go and live in all these places, like the canaries tenerife and spain, canaries and tenerife and spain, for quieter life and behave in for a quieter life and behave in a way. and it a respectful way. and i think it goes back that word respect. goes back to that word respect. you go have a good time. you can go and have a good time. and i certainly went greece, and i certainly went to greece, you when i was a student, you know, when i was a student, had a few drinks, but but, show some respect some kindness and respect to people you up. people who are putting you up. >> look, 6.5 million >> i mean, look, 6.5 million people visited tenerife last year from the uk, up 11. it's still very popular with us, henry, and particularly at this time of the year, a bit of sort of spring or winter sunshine, i went when was it in, half time in, in february. and you could spot you still can spot a brit abroad, can't you? compared to the spanish and the and the germans. and i don't mean that in a derogatory sense. you can just see we're always the ones who've got a tan, and we've not put on the suntan lotion, and we've got very pink vest marks, and we, we enjoy our holidays, but are we, do we just somehow let ourselves go in a way that

other european countries don't? >> well, there's definitely seems to be a minority of people who do. there's enough for it to be an observable sort of phenomenon. i couldn't tell you how many. i think the problem in the canary islands is that there are different of tourism the canary islands is that there are diffe|can of tourism the canary islands is that there are diffe|can follow of tourism the canary islands is that there are diffe|can follow inf tourism the canary islands is that there are diffe|can follow in therrism that you can follow in the canary has gone for canary islands has gone for volume. they get a lot of people in and reading this story, what really the locus of really seems to be the locus of local anger is that is local anger is that that is having all effects that you having all the effects that you would there is not would expect. there is not enough rents are enough housing, rents are spiralling of control. there spiralling out of control. there is of sewage being is vast amounts of sewage being generated and not enough facilities to process it, and that a real pressure. but of that is a real pressure. but of course, they face exactly the same problem that places like cornwall is that cornwall do, which is that they're on the tourist they're dependent on the tourist income. think the they're dependent on the tourist incomproblem think the they're dependent on the tourist incomproblem that think the they're dependent on the tourist incomproblem that maybe the other problem that maybe exacerbates in exacerbates this is that in areas canary islands, areas like the canary islands, where get a lot of brits where you get a lot of brits going, partly maybe because we speak, know, we tend less to speak, you know, we tend less to speak, you know, we tend less to speak foreign languages in other countries. you do tend to get little going, little monocultures going, right. and right. instead of going and going spanish restaurant or going to a spanish restaurant or whatever. will english whatever. there will be english speaking english businesses and you those. and

you just go to those. and i don't think that helps. but that's simply, again, a phenomenon the sheer number phenomenon of the sheer number of brits that go. i imagine if there are, there are places in there are, there are places in the world where, you know, other where nationalities choose where other nationalities choose to holiday and you will find businesses to them. so businesses catering to them. so it unfortunate, but it is unfortunate, but ultimately a problem of ultimately this is a problem of governance for the canary islands, right? they should have been a job of been doing a betterjob of making this of tourism, making this volume of tourism, which need for money, which they need for money, work for of our for local people, one of our viewers, says we've viewers, irene, says we've travelled throughout our travelled widely throughout our lives various countries, but lives to various countries, but in past years, we've in the past 25 years, we've avoided certain abroad avoided certain places abroad due embarrassing brits . due to the embarrassing brits. do you think it's. is it getting worse? >> well, as henry says, how can you measure it? i mean, there are some of us who are blessed or cursed with a totally red face once we get. and, any mediterranean suddenness. and i'm definitely. >> so you one of those with bright pink shoulders on day two, yes. two, then peter, yes. >> also say defence. >> but i'd also say my defence. the last i drank too much the last time i drank too much on holiday was probably about 20 or years ago. so all get or 22 years ago. so we all get more sensible, as we get older.

there's another point want to there's another point i want to pick up briefly, which i read that of when read that lots of time. when you read things money, and things like money, pages and travel they add up travel pages, when they add up the going away in the cost of going away in britain, train across britain, with a train across britain, with a train across britain, say, somewhere like cornwall and a hotel when cornwall and then a hotel when we want support the british we all want support the british hotel industry. lot of hotel industry. yeah, a lot of the conclusions come out saying, well, it is just a bit cheaper to a family of four to to take a family of four to tenerife because flights are tenerife because the flights are much once you're there. tenerife because the flights are mucfood once you're there. tenerife because the flights are mucfood much|ce you're there. tenerife because the flights are mucfood much less, u're there. tenerife because the flights are mucfood much less, i're there. tenerife because the flights are mucfood much less, i thinkere. the food is much less, i think you're that is we you're right. that is so we should be encouraging. but then do want our lairy brits to be do we want our lairy brits to be here beach in cornwall here on the beach in cornwall and than lanzarote ? and rather than in lanzarote? >> well, only if we've built enough housing, because otherwise. otherwise all of that's get even worse. that's going to get even worse. and cornwall council and we'll have cornwall council trying a way to tax trying to find a way to tax them. >> yeah, yeah. well, if you are booking your holiday this summer, think about the summer, just think about the fact you get to fact that if you get to tenerife, there might the tenerife, there might be the locals there. apparently there's tenerife, there might be the locals on are. apparently there's tenerife, there might be the localsonare. lamppost( there's flyers on the lamppost and everything saying go home, brits, want you here. brits, we don't want you here. do think it's a brexit do you think it's a brexit thing? as well? we are really alienated ourselves. >> doesn't read at all >> no, it doesn't read at all

like a brexit. also, we like a brexit. brexit. also, we don't how it flies. one don't know how it flies. one person up flyers, right? person can put up flyers, right? i it's important to say we i think it's important to say we don't widespread this don't know how widespread this is. are lots of legitimate is. there are lots of legitimate concerns this as concerns in this movement as well the tourism phobia. but well as the tourism phobia. but no, much like no, this reads very much like the islands have simply the canary islands have simply not of canary not the government of the canary has catered the number of has not catered to the number of people that are coming okay. people that are coming in. okay. >> right. thank both. people that are coming in. okay. >> edwards,hank both. people that are coming in. okay. >> edwards, henry both. people that are coming in. okay. >> edwards, henry hilloth. people that are coming in. okay. >> edwards, henry hill there. peter edwards, henry hill there. i'll be on britain's i'll be back on britain's newsroom tomorrow morning at 930 i'll be back on britain's newback1 tomorrow morning at 930 i'll be back on britain's newback here|orrow morning at 930 i'll be back on britain's newback here tomorrow'ning at 930 i'll be back on britain's new back here tomorrow evening930 and back here tomorrow evening at six. but next. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar, the sponsors weather solar, the sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. here's your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. yes there will be some dnen office. yes there will be some drier, brighter weather around across southern parts tomorrow , across southern parts tomorrow, but first there's quite a bit of rain to come, driven by an area of low pressure and an associated frontal system that's sweeping up from the southwest, bringing outbreaks of rain for many, though initially tonight there will be some dry weather across parts of northern ireland and england, though

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