news. >> good evening. the top stories this hour. campaigners in edinburgh delivered a coffin outside the scottish parliament today, symbolising what they say is the death of free speech. it's after the introduction of a new hate crime law, which makes it a crime to stir up hatred against people with protected characteristics. that includes disability, age, sexual orientation or people who are transgender. gender critical author jk rowling said it risks authorjk rowling said it risks outlawing genuine debate over biological sex. while some police forces have raised concerns that complaints could be lodged for political reasons .

be lodged for political reasons. the scottish conservatives say resources should be directed towards front line policing . towards front line policing. plans to find rough sleepers are provoking outrage , with more provoking outrage, with more than 40 conservative mps said to be preparing to rebel, the new criminal justice bill would allow police to fine or move on. so—called nuisance rough sleepers . it was intended to sleepers. it was intended to replace the vagrancy act from 1824, which currently criminalises both rough sleeping and begging. but reports suggest the new bill has been paused while ministers negotiate with mps who are concerned about the consequences of issuing fines to homeless people . the uk has homeless people. the uk has dropped seven tonnes of aid into gaza as part of continuing airlift relief efforts. the latest round of aid drops takes the total amount to 35 tonnes. parachuted into the palestinian territory over the last week, the defence secretary posted on x , saying it's part of a x, saying it's part of a sustained effort to provide relief to civilians as several countries have resorted to

airdrops to deliver aid to ease the humanitarian crisis in gaza. this latest effort coming as israeli forces left al—shifa hospital in gaza city after a two week operation which reportedly left several dead and wounded. the idf said it raided al—shifa because hamas had regrouped there . and rishi sunak regrouped there. and rishi sunak said the government was delivering on its child care plan as the first parents in england benefited from 15 hours of taxpayer funded care for two year olds. the prime minister said the plan would build a brighter future for families and help grow the economy . but help grow the economy. but labour says families will struggle to access places . the struggle to access places. the policy, which came into effect today, is the first phase of a plan to expand funded childcare for working parents. it's part of an £8 billion package, which the government says the scheme will increase to 30 hours for children over nine months by september 2025. for the latest stories , you can sign up to gb

stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gbnews.com/alerts. now it's over to headliners . to headliners. >> hello and welcome to headliners i'm simon evans, joining me tonight to dive into tuesday's top stories. we have the people's gammon, paul cox and the big dog himself nick dixon. how are you gentlemen .7 great. >> i feel slightly underdressed. >> i feel slightly underdressed. >> well, i didn't get the memo . >> well, i didn't get the memo. probably referencing. i am sporting the latest google glass , tv presenter specs, which give me the full heads up display and also run the next story in the top left hand corner. and you've got some novelty specs on there as well, are these are as well, these are these are actually real ones. those are actually my real ones. those are just genuine. >> they're not x—ray, are they? because put on a bit of weight. >> well, that's ideal if x rays are a bit off for you. yeah, i'm afraid no, look how

afraid not. no, you look how deep x ray. yeah, let's have deep you x ray. yeah, let's have a at those pages. a look at those front pages. i of see them all, but a look at those front pages. i of daily see them all, but a look at those front pages. i of daily mail see them all, but a look at those front pages. i of daily mail kick:hem all, but a look at those front pages. i of daily mail kick usn all, but a look at those front pages. i of daily mail kick us offll, but a look at those front pages. i of daily mail kick us off with|t the daily mail kick us off with arrest me. that's not me. that is , defiant j.k. rowling as she is, defiant j.k. rowling as she dares the police over new scottish hate crime law. will be looking at that shortly. telegraph we have stealth tax raid on 1.6 million pensioners. the guardian tories accused of zero progress on half of levelling up goals laid bare the sun union joke, a mockery of the flag i news. the economy will not be enough to save sunak tories have warned, i say. and finally, the daily star . tories have warned, i say. and finally, the daily star. hug a gull, little off piece from the star there. those were your front pages . so kicking off the front pages. so kicking off the in—depth look into tuesday's front pages with the daily mail pool front pages with the daily mail

pool. yes arrest me. that's not me. >> defiance of jk rowling as she dares police over new scottish hate crime law, which i think should legally be, in inverted commas, hate crime law. >> rishi sunak last night backed jk rowling after she dared police to arrest her under controversial new hate crime laws. and i love that she's doing this , i genuinely do, i'm doing this, i genuinely do, i'm sure she's si king extremely top level legal advice, as she's probably working within the bounds of that. oh, i would have thought she'd go to the citizens advice bureau, wouldn't you? maybe. yeah, a few quid. maybe. yeah, she's a few quid. she's she a of she's a well, she is a lady of the people, but, i don't think she say a quid. she needs to say a few quid. >> i hope they arrested. >> i hope they arrested. >> secretly she and >> and i secretly think she and she. she secretly does she. i think she secretly does hope they do do too. hope that they do do too. because does, will because if she does, it will prove her point the nth prove her point to the nth degree. will be the degree. and it will be the beginning of the end this. beginning of the end of this. this madness that we find ourselves in at the moment. although if the madness ends, perhaps we won't have any work. i much when, when we i said as much when, when we were first discussing it a couple weeks ago, couple of weeks ago, that i thought rowling would do

thought jk rowling would do exactly this. so it's good to know she's tuning but what know she's tuning in. but what do think? do you what do you think? >> off, simon, >> i'm slightly off, simon, because like the baddie because you look like the baddie from hedgehog. it's from sonic the hedgehog. it's just. me. just. it's just struck me. >> i think years off >> i think it takes years off me, frankly. >> i think it takes years off me yeah.;ly. >> i think it takes years off me yeah. they are very good, >> yeah. they are very good, doctor robotnik. >> i didn't know you were going to with it. and it's to stick with it. and it's throwing how. >> 9 been over. >> they've been glued over. i see, but back to the story, yeah . rowling. will she do this? if she you're talking about, there'll be a rebellion if she does it. but will there will there just be more and more oppression? is that world oppression? is that the world we're and also, will it we're in now? and also, will it happen labour this happen under labour in this country? question as happen under labour in this countwill question as happen under labour in this countwill we question as happen under labour in this countwill we get question as happen under labour in this countwill we get similarion as happen under labour in this countwill we get similar laws? happen under labour in this couwell,l we get similar laws? happen under labour in this couwell, that get similar laws? happen under labour in this couwell, that ist similar laws? happen under labour in this couwell, that is asimilar laws? happen under labour in this couwell, that is asimilaquestion happen under labour in this c under., that is asimilaquestion happen under labour in this c under labours asimilaquestion happen under labour in this c under labours athislaquestion happen under labour in this c under labours athis country on . under labour in this country is different is a slightly different question. certainly when question. but certainly when this law was passed in scotland, question. but certainly when this lavwere passed in scotland, question. but certainly when this lavwere behind in scotland, question. but certainly when this lavwere behind it. scotland, question. but certainly when this lavwere behind it. thereind, question. but certainly when this lavwere behind it. there was labour were behind it. there was no opposition from labour at this at that time. >> it's quite relevant because the uk government sources said >> it's quite relevant because the the jovernment sources said >> it's quite relevant because the the lawrnment sources said >> it's quite relevant because the the law won'tt sources said >> it's quite relevant because the the law won't change.. said >> it's quite relevant because the the law won't change. while this the law won't change. while the conservatives are in government, will government, but one thinks will it labour could easily. it under labour it could easily. i rowling said when it under labour it could easily. i said rowling said when it under labour it could easily. i said i rowling said when it under labour it could easily. i said i look ling said when it under labour it could easily. i said i look forwardd when it under labour it could easily. i said i look forward to rhen it under labour it could easily. i said i look forward to being she said i look forward to being arrested the arrested when i return to the birthplace of the scottish

enlightenment. was enlightenment. that was good trolling, that trolling, but it is obscene that we're and as we're in this position. and as we've won't we've seen, these laws won't apply to people like humza yousaf, who did that horrific speech a parliament or speech in a parliament or whatever it was about white. everyone's white, says . he everyone's white, he says. he said in a post today it was a sky news video that if you if you're not abusive or threatening in threatening or engaging in something kind of something some other kind of behaviour that intended to behaviour like that intended to cause no cause harm, you'll have no problem . but surely his speech problem. but surely his speech was threatening abusive was threatening and abusive and intended to cause harm. >> as hate has >> and as the hate monster has been singling white been singling out young white men being most likely to men as being most likely to harbour emotion, he harbour that emotion, and he also pronounces the h when he says white which think says white hate, which i think is a crime on its own. i'd be quite happy to support sort of jail time in america. that's regarded as a whistle regarded as a dog whistle in itself. it? yeah, but you itself. isn't it? yeah, but you on the other side. but putting that side. yes i do think that to one side. yes i do think humza yousaf probably that to one side. yes i do think humz'thistaf probably that to one side. yes i do think humz'this legislation probably that to one side. yes i do think humz'this legislation and ably under this legislation and probably was well, he was certainly extraordinarily certainly being extraordinarily silly. i mean, disrespectful to a country which is well over 90% white, you know, and those were not statistical anomalies as he

was seeming to suggest that had been installed by some sort of, you know, deep state white propaganda unit. and putting that to one side, j.k. rowling herself is has been a figurehead for gender critical movement for some time now. she is going to force this issue to either until they do arrest or until they have to admit that they simply don't, you know, actually intend to prosecute . to prosecute. >> yeah, i'm more pessimistic because, well, she i mean, rowling would be okay. other people won't be. and because, you know, she's too high profile and there's gonna be and in general, there's gonna be more of this of more and more of this kind of thing. we point thing. and obviously we point out these standards, but out these double standards, but we in vain. we do out these double standards, but w anyone who makes a complaint,

no matter how anonymous they are, they are considered a victim. isn't a complainant victim. this isn't a complainant said remake said this. this remake of judge dredd proving is dredd is proving this is ordinary. it's terrifying, and i do. i do hope that nick's not right in the sense that we, we end up with this being perpetuated into even worse. you know, i'm to be honest, i'm ready to go into hiding or up into yeah. why not be into the hills. yeah. why not be honest at this stage life? honest at this stage in my life? but young you've got but you young men, you've got everything to look forward to and lose. i'm and everything to lose. i'm ready partisan. ready to become a partisan. gregory style, the sun . gregory peck style, the sun. nick, this is the you. this is. it for whom the bell tolls , it was for whom the bell tolls, the union joke. yeah. >> is a union joke. and >> this is a union joke. and it's the fury at team gb flag being axed. and this is extraordinary. i mean , these extraordinary. i mean, these things are to some degree intended to ensnare gammons . so intended to ensnare gammons. so one wonders into it with that knowledge that you will be skewered by the centrist dads of x, but bait? yes. gammon, bait and bait. >> team team gammon bait. >> team team gammon bait. >> yeah. yeah, exactly. so i'm going there anyway. now we've

only got a black and white one because we've got a bit of a budgetary issue. but you can see on you can see on budgetary issue. but you can see on screen you can see on budgetary issue. but you can see on screen a you can see on budgetary issue. but you can see on screen a momentn see on budgetary issue. but you can see on screen a moment ago, on the screen a moment ago, a moment ago, you can see the colours were various. what's extraordinary the extraordinary about the colouring is colouring and, and the design is that based or bath that it's a bath based or bath design agency this away. and they said rather than look beyond the traditional colours. so just to get that they want points for changing the points for not changing the colours flag. they said colours of our flag. they said we decided to embrace them. oh that's and push the iconic that's nice. and push the iconic red, white and blue as far we red, white and blue as far as we could. they say colour was a point of contention because, you know, is far from know, our flag is far from unique because france and the usa the same colours. it's usa have the same colours. it's the changing the the flag. stop changing the flag. can just flag. they think they can just do with the flag. do what they want with the flag. who these people? who are these people? >> don't know. i don't know >> so i don't know. i don't know the flag, the the history of the flag, the tricolour. it's supposed tricolour. i know it's supposed to sort of three liberte, to be the sort of three liberte, egalite, fraternite, maybe one colour, the origins egalite, fraternite, maybe one co our. the origins egalite, fraternite, maybe one co our flag. the origins egalite, fraternite, maybe one co our flag. it the origins egalite, fraternite, maybe one co our flag. it is the origins egalite, fraternite, maybe one co our flag. it is the |e origins egalite, fraternite, maybe one co our flag. it is the three|ins of our flag. it is the three national flags. yes, we're joined in union. joined together in the union. it's not just made up by some design agency. know, but they design agency. i know, but they think ancient think that very ancient adherence to the patron saints and the rest of it, it's

and all the rest of it, it's absolutely despicable. yeah. i just don't what's getting absolutely despicable. yeah. i just these what's getting absolutely despicable. yeah. i just these design hat's getting absolutely despicable. yeah. i just these design agencies ing absolutely despicable. yeah. i just these design agencies at] absolutely despicable. yeah. i justmoment.sign agencies at] absolutely despicable. yeah. i justmoment. theyigencies at] absolutely despicable. yeah. i justmoment. they seem as at] absolutely despicable. yeah. i justmoment. they seem asmean, the moment. they seem i mean, it does like significant does feel like significant political decisions and movements provocations movements and provocations coming from the most trivial commercial sources. do you know what i mean? yeah. my hope is for activists , my hope is just for activists, my hope is just it's for cynical gain. >> and they know that if they do something like this, that they can get a lot of publicity. >> that's your hope. >> that's your hope. >> cynical your >> cynical gain is your hope genuinely, that's the genuinely, because that's the high the best thing high watermark. the best thing that with yeah. that can come with this. yeah. let's cynical let's let's be cynical game. if they genuinely they're let's let's be cynical game. if they gaiuinely they're let's let's be cynical game. if they ca service they're let's let's be cynical game. if they ca service by they're let's let's be cynical game. if they ca service by creating('re let's let's be cynical game. if they ca service by creating this doing a service by creating this monstrosity, they're monstrosity, yeah. then they're much mistaken. and like you say, it's not about we're constantly talking about respecting the culture of other people. just for a moment, could we just accept our culture? yeah >> it's designed to wind you up. it's oikophobia. it's an attack on the ordinary people. very good. and people like starmer will say, oh , it's terrible, you will say, oh, it's terrible, you know, we're the last one. he said, oh, it's bad. we should have the flag. that's all a sort

of there is. they're of theatre there is. they're all part a of part of it. it's a hatred of the ordinary patriotic, ordinary person who's patriotic, even peter shilton is saying nothing is sacred. >> shilton, nothing >> even peter shilton, nothing is that's scruton, is sacred. and that's scruton, isn't scruton hatred isn't it? yeah. scruton hatred of home. yeah. of the home. yeah. >> the average person >> because the average person has one's own has a preference for one's own family and country, which is entirely natural and normal. but the elite hates us. and they say you're anywhere, you're a citizen of anywhere, maybe you're maybe of europe. you're atomised, your atomised, individual hate your family, atomised, individual hate your fan but atomised, individual hate your fanbut paul said >> but as paul said at the beginning, from saul beginning, it's from saul alinsky's radicals. beginning, it's from saul alinstell radicals. beginning, it's from saul alinstell aradicals. beginning, it's from saul alinstell a readals. beginning, it's from saul alinstell a read if. beginning, it's from saul alinstell a read if you well, well worth a read if you want what up to. want to know what they're up to. the meaning of your action is your enemy's reaction. yeah, yeah. so back to the gammon bait the metro. paul, what have they got in this line? jeff moore for the gammons, record migrant arrivals already. so this is hundreds of more migrants have crossed the channel just this easter weekend. and by hundreds, they actually mean thousands, because there's been record because there's been a record breaking 5435 people come in to the country over the years . the the country over the years. the weather was better, i guess. i mean, i don't know what to make of this anymore. we're literally becoming that's becoming a blocked toilet that's

kind with kind of clogged up with diversity. i know quite diversity. i don't know quite what is anymore . every what the aim is anymore. every time we say i'm, i'm always a bit of a gammon trope to say that we're full. perhaps we're not full, what is full is not full, but what is full is our with the our ability to deal with the amount in the amount of people living in the country. been floating country. yes, it's been floating over drain. so over the top of the drain. so yeah, just bottom yeah, we are just at the bottom of this necessarily have to make it a it be a storm it a toilet. it could be a storm drain, i know what mean. drain, but i know what you mean. our to distribute it our capacity to distribute it safely of create safely to, to kind of create a smooth and even layer that certainly long gone and obviously yeah, the numbers are insane. i mean, if you said these three ago, these numbers three years ago, that sounded. that would have sounded. i mean, i'm being needlessly i'm not being needlessly provocative. would have provocative. that would have sounded of some sounded like an invasion of some sort, 4500 people over the course of a year. and what's incredible our course of a year. and what's increis)le our course of a year. and what's incre is to our course of a year. and what's incre is to get our course of a year. and what's incre is to get this our course of a year. and what's incre is to get this down)ur course of a year. and what's incre is to get this down to goal is to get this down to hundreds of thousands. yeah. and they're even talking we're going to talk about this later. getting it down into the into the of thousands. well the tens of thousands. well that's thousands that's half of tens of thousands already well already in one weekend. well that's even legal. we're talking about legal immigration well. about legal immigration as well. they've already got higher illegal. they've got higher they've already got higher illegal. 'migration»t higher

they've already got higher illegal. 'migration nowiher they've already got higher illegal. 'migration now than most channel migration now than most people would prefer there to be in total. yeah so it's completely come off. the wheels are off. we have just enough time to look at one possible deterrent which we can situate on the beaches . on the beaches. >> yeah. so the daily star has a goal. >> yeah. so the daily star has a goal . charismatic birds deserve goal. charismatic birds deserve our respect. that's a that's the boss. but the star put it. boss, come to the fence of psycho knickers and it's pure. >> it's pure psycho . nick. >> it's pure psycho. nick. >> it's pure psycho. nick. >> nick, i know, and it's pure star. daily star bingo. because i know them so well. now i know that boss means boss. and i know that boss means boss. and i know that psychos means seagulls, weirdly. and especially chip knickers. weirdly. and especially chip knickersthat the university of arguing that the university of sussex. saying we sussex. so it's a lib saying we need used to them and need to get used to them and live with them, know, very live with them, you know, a very liberal actually acting live with them, you know, a very liberclever actually acting live with them, you know, a very liberclever ways. .ly acting live with them, you know, a very liberclever ways. but acting very clever ways. but you and i know that psycho . know that they're psycho. >> well, i live in hove, as you know, seagulls down know, and, the seagulls down there, they are psycho. they're also species. we also a protected species. we have one. lay an egg outside on our sort dormer window on one our sort of dormer window on one occasion, came and occasion, and a bloke came and said , you're not allowed do said, you're not allowed to do anything it. the only

anything about it. the only thing do is drip thing you can do is drip paraffin and that paraffin on it, and that suffocates bird. that's suffocates the bird. that's legal. apparently but just like shoving off with broom, shoving it off with a broom, that would actually, that's that would be. actually, that's an offence, a hate crime. yeah, that's highly that's it for part one, highly symbolic with. we symbolic story to end with. we are looking forward to part two. rishi versus reform parts one and two and david lammy coming out strongly against swastikas. whatever next. we'll see you in a

and welcome back to headliners with me, simon evans. i'm still with me, simon evans. i'm still with the people's gammon. paul cox and the big dog, nick dixon. so, paul, we start with the guardian . so, paul, we start with the guardian. bad so, paul, we start with the guardian . bad news for one of my guardian. bad news for one of my old demographics. outdoor old demographics. the outdoor lager enthusiasts there in the. is that what you call the love? superb, ministers face tory revolt over plans to criminalise rough sleeping. so under proposals from part of the uk government's flagship crime bill, police in england and wales are to be given powers to

fine or move rough sleepers deemed to be causing a nuisance in inverted commas. and of course, sounds all course, this this sounds all very dickensian. it's a story course, this this sounds all very dhomeless it's a story course, this this sounds all very dhomeless people tory course, this this sounds all very dhomeless people being an about homeless people being an eyesore and they should. they needed be seen. nor heard and needed to be seen. nor heard and moved along when they're in the wrong and they don't have wrong place, and they don't have to have done anything wrong. not at they have to at all. they just have to be there. you know, this there. and, you know, this is there. and, you know, this is the for me . the sad the problem for me. the sad truth we have a huge homeless truth is we have a huge homeless problem and this won't fix anything. moving them along and putting dark corner putting them in a dark corner somewhere to somewhere is very unlikely to solve . and even tory solve anything. and even tory mps are slightly perturbed by this. but 40 of them have said that they have warned the whips that they have warned the whips that they're likely to vote against it. the problem with it is, i mean, on the one hand, it goes against david cameron's great stop the great campaign to stop the tories looking the nasty tories looking like the nasty party, you know, party, wasn't it? you know, people , are people think, oh, these are obviously, would obviously, you know, who would choose be sleeping rough. you choose to be sleeping rough. you know, these are not people who are breaking the law . it's are breaking the law. it's a lifestyle choice. yeah, exactly. and have been an

and yet they're have been an escalation recently, haven't there? you see, for instance, a lot of what i would classify as sort of festival season glastonbury tents just appearing in the shop doorways of larger high street shops. and i think people do find it slightly. and listen, i'm not saying i've got the solution, but we all know that it's not simply a question of there not being enough housing. most rough sleeping comes dependency , comes from drug dependency, often people escaping an abusive household, often again with household, but often again with mental illness and disorders and so on. people don't want to see that of thing on the that kind of thing on the streets, you of streets, so you kind of understand they're taking understand why they're taking some kind of action. >> end up with san >> you end up with san francisco, you? but yeah. francisco, don't you? but yeah. yeah, not great, yeah, i mean, it's not great, as you nasty thing, you say, the nasty party thing, rishi seen as rich rishi is already seen as rich and of touch because he is. and out of touch because he is. so help with so this doesn't help him with that. are they going to that. also how are they going to pay that. also how are they going to pay if they're pay these fines if they're homeless? going homeless? and how are they going to when the to fit in prison when the prisons full? however, i'm prisons are full? however, i'm going to make a counterintuitive argument actually argument that this is actually a relatively argument that this is actually a relativt0' just like just trying to do. just like just like get rid of the homeless. it's of you know, it's kind of like, you know, it's just it's actually just it's authoritarian. just it's actually just it's autit.ritarian. just it's actually just it's autit. butian. just it's actually just it's autit. but notice just it's actually just it's autit. but notice he just it's actually just it's autit. but notice he can't;t it's actually just it's autit. but notice he can't even do it. but notice he can't even get because here's

get it done. no, because here's an a just an argument. this is a bit just for bit fun. don't have for a bit of fun. we don't have a we don't have a free society. we don't have free anything like a free society. we don't have free could anything like a free society. we don't have free could we anything like a free society. we don't have free could we at(thing like a free society. we don't have free could we at (thing have that. could we at least have some efficient singapore some sort of efficient singapore society or whatever, where you get life imprisonment for littering know, cut littering or, you know, hand cut off stealing ? we'll probably off for stealing? we'll probably get that in future. >> but a lot of people say lee kuan yew is the is being fast becoming the sort of figurehead of alternative for of an alternative vision for what right wing might mean in this. notice don't get that >> but notice we don't get that ehhen >> but notice we don't get that either. get only either. we just get we only get restrictions stuff restrictions on rubbish stuff like restrictions like covid restrictions that ruin economy. if we're going ruin the economy. if we're going to we're to be to have if we're going to be authoritarian, be like to have if we're going to be auth(thatian, be like to have if we're going to be auth(that actually be like to have if we're going to be auth(that actually be and stuff that actually works and functions in a way? >> think if you were to >> i do think if you were to enforce, i mean, i to have enforce, i mean, i used to have a about having a house, the a joke about having a house, the homeless and cross a joke about having a house, the honthe,.s and cross a joke about having a house, the honthe, you and cross a joke about having a house, the honthe, you know, and cross a joke about having a house, the honthe, you know, just cross a joke about having a house, the honthe, you know, just hose ross a joke about having a house, the honthe, you know, just hose the out the, you know, just hose the homeless thames or homeless into the thames or something, so something, you know, but so something, you know, but so something for, for something to be said for, for like clearing main like just clearing the main thoroughfares, you know, if you've camped out, you've got people camped out, you've got people camped out, you the or you know, in the parks or whatever. love about this whatever. what i love about this is three us here thinking, is three of us here thinking, really, don't them in is three of us here thinking, realway don't them in is three of us here thinking, realway of don't them in is three of us here thinking, realway of ourt them in is three of us here thinking, realway of our shoppingem in is three of us here thinking, realway of our shopping and| is three of us here thinking, realway of our shopping and our the way of our shopping and our visit to the pub. they can go where i see simon where they like. i can see simon on horseback people on on horseback whipping people on saturday get on saturday morning. can we get on over times now, nick?

over to the times now, nick? support cards coming from support for id cards coming from the one man who wouldn't be able to check one, i see yeah, it's bnng to check one, i see yeah, it's bring back id cards to tackle migrant crisis. keir starmer told so the id cards they never go away do they? and guess who's promoting it. it's old lord blunkett , of course, part of blunkett, of course, part of blair's cabinet. and was blair's cabinet. and blair was obsessed with id cards. he's never given it up. he wants all of europe have the blair of europe to have the blair card, and he'll just be to card, and he'll just be able to scan and you a vaccine scan you and give you a vaccine and that. it's all and things like that. it's all what of course, what he wants. so of course, blunkett and the blunkett is pushing this and the way they're going to push it is, blunkett is pushing this and the wacourse,'e going to push it is, blunkett is pushing this and the wacourse, byioing to push it is, blunkett is pushing this and the wacourse, by saying push it is, blunkett is pushing this and the wacourse, by saying we've it is, of course, by saying we've got all illegal that all these illegal migrants that undocumented all these illegal migrants that undocument�* so on. and that's a workers and so on. and that's a clever way to push it through and support from it the and get support from it on the right well. and that's right as well. and so that's what basically what right as well. and so that's what doing. sically what they're doing. >> do think that it will >> and i do think that it will garner some support. i mean, i feel in feel myself slightly more in favour it. seemed just favour of it. it seemed just pointless first pointless when blair first introduced really introduced it. i didn't really see , i could see the point, i could understand it at my, you know, cut a few corners in terms of benefit cheating, but i knew that really as a deal that wasn't really as big a deal as papers now, it as the papers made out. now, it seems might be quite

seems to me, might be quite useful to actually know who's a real citizen and so on. i mean, this a little like this is a little bit like talking to lord blunkett, because i'm not sure who you're looking at, whether it's me or nick. but talk to the dog. nick. no, but talk to the dog. yes. he is down there. nick. no, but talk to the dog. yesi he is down there. nick. no, but talk to the dog. yesi mean, he is down there. nick. no, but talk to the dog. yesi mean, on he is down there. nick. no, but talk to the dog. yesi mean, on the s down there. nick. no, but talk to the dog. yesi mean, on the facenn there. nick. no, but talk to the dog. yesi mean, on the face of there. nick. no, but talk to the dog. yesi mean, on the face of it,3re. so i mean, on the face of it, this could work, couldn't it? because on the face of it, it in a perfect world, you would have everybody with an and everybody with an id and therefore there couldn't everybody with an id and theillegal there couldn't everybody with an id and theillegal immigration, :ouldn't be illegal immigration, there couldn't be illegal workers because able to because you wouldn't be able to get one. but the get one without one. but the idea, know, the idea idea, the, you know, the idea that we wouldn't to that we wouldn't be able to forge cards or create forge these cards or create another black market. well, you have a new system now. i mean, in first year, you would in blair's first year, you would probably have had a number, maybe bar now you maybe a bar code. now you can have scan. can have have a retina scan. it can have a in that can a smart code in it that can immediately bring up your entire dna. a bit chinese. you dna. it feels a bit chinese. you know. is, i'm know. yeah. oh, god. it is, i'm sure, you know, sure, but it's coming. you know, we're end up we're going to all end up like china. that's obviously the model 2030, 2035 model now, isn't it? 2030, 2035 make the of the next few make the most of the next few years. that's years. so that's it. >> sell it to as >> they sell it to you as deaung >> they sell it to you as dealing with illegal immigration. used immigration. it'll just be used against the ordinary citizen because a tyranny. because it's a narco tyranny. that's have. why

that's what we have. that's why you can't trust and by the you can't trust it. and by the way, authoritarian way, speaking of authoritarian measures, was measures, famously, blunkett was alleged in 2006 to have said machine prison machine gun. these prison inmates during a riot. people like blunkett and blair are far more relaxed about use of state power. >> he was extraordinarily the authority by by temperament. i think he could very easily have slotted into the into pretty much a tory government, you know, rule. but it, know, the thatcher rule. but it, it transgresses , it it not transgresses, it transcends, i think, left right politics. the identity card i think it is more humanism, transhumanism. i think it's are we what state are we moving into? it's a bit like trying to decide whether china is left or right i think it's closer right wing. i think it's closer to than communism, to fascism than communism, really, doesn't really, the ccp. but it doesn't really, the ccp. but it doesn't really stage. no really matter at that stage. no it doesn't. it's so out on the periphery. we have the periphery. paul, we have the mail now. and could promising a referendum the way for the referendum be the way for the tories to win the next election? or have i just woken up from a ten let's hope not. ten year snooze? let's hope not. rishi been told he rishi sunak has been told he could tempt reform uk supporters to vote tory at the election if he offers a referendum on cutting net migration to tens of

thousands. this is legal migration, so this is based on a survey of 42% of reform voters saying, look , if the tories were saying, look, if the tories were to hold a referendum on, this on immigration, then we would then then they would consider voting tory. the problem with referendums is the good thing about referendums is it tells you what the people think. the problem with referendum is it's a geron from the latin and doesn't take plural referendum doesn't take a plural referendum . is it referendum a referendum? yeah. yeah. yeah. right. yeah. so there is none. yeah. exactly. yeah. the would yeah. but i mean the we would get answer to a question get the answer to a question that all quite interested in that we all quite interested in understanding. however how would they because they implement it. because you've look at you've only got to look at brexit. we did get an answer from brexit, was from brexit, there was a majority of people who said that we should leave the european union. course , there union. but then of course, there was or 6 years. well, was then 5 or 6 years. well, it's of absolute it's still going of absolute nonsense. so let's just say that overwhelmingly 60, 70% of people said they want to cut migration down to the tens of thousands.

yeah. who's going to deliver that? because you're going to get a labour party and they're going to go, no, we're not doing that. probably that. well, it would probably involve feel awful involve what would feel an awful lot deportation to lot like deportation, to be honest, because you honest, you know, because you would would certainly would be, you would certainly have to withdraw privileges and opportunities from people who have banked on having them. you know, and maybe halfway through some of process towards some kind of process towards arriving here, that would be the first thing that would, i think, ruffle some feathers. >> i mean, firstly, >> but i mean, firstly, why do we referendum ?just >> but i mean, firstly, why do we referendum ? just do we need a referendum? just do it. and how can you trust them to do it when cameron was saying these exact words in get these exact words in 2010, get it to tens of it down to the tens of thousands, said, it's going thousands, he said, it's going to a year and to it's 200,000 a year and that's too now over that's too much. now it's over three theresa may, three times that. theresa may, 2017. thousands. they 2017. tens of thousands. they never can't trust never do it. you can't trust them. 42% of reform supporters must be a bit foolish to believe they'd actually do it. but. but it is. >> i suppose you once if it was a referendum. you have got something. absolutely something. you absolutely nail them perhaps. them down on. and then perhaps. >> do it after >> but if they could do it after a why can't they do a referendum, why can't they do it now? i mean, they can't do it

or they either can't it now? i mean, they can't do it or it they either can't it now? i mean, they can't do it or it or they either can't it now? i mean, they can't do it or it or they they either can't it now? i mean, they can't do it or it or they are ey either can't it now? i mean, they can't do it or it or they are secretly can't it now? i mean, they can't do it or it or they are secretly justt do it or they are secretly just thinking that the economy cannot, you because of the shrinking. >> they're changing the demographics, the ageing population , people not having population, people not having kids. i mean, we know these kids. i mean, we all know these facts, but nobody facts, you know, but but nobody is honest enough. nobody has ever why ever said, listen, that's why it's to happen despite. >> but it doesn't solve that. >> but it doesn't solve that. >> that's the other problem. i don't solve it. don't think it does solve it. i agree with you. >> if they be worried >> if they should be worried about i just about reform, because i just looked chart looked at a little chart today that showing the that was showing where the tory voters 2019 voters are going to the 2019 voters. they're mainly to voters. they're going mainly to reform or one. yeah, that's reform or no one. yeah, that's where so they do where they're going. so they do have worry about reform have to worry about this reform or anyway. or to the orkneys anyway. >> move reform >> we have to move on. reform threats telegraph, threats also, in the telegraph, nick, to not zero nick, and a switch to not zero could net them millions. yeah. this is reform pledges referendum on net zero and fresh challenge to rishi sunak . challenge to rishi sunak. >> so it looks like they're going to have a lot of referendum. we're going to be like switzerland just constant. but could do worse. mean but we could do worse. i mean i'm this. this is i'm not sure about this. this is ties you know, we want ties saying, you know, we want a referendum but referendum on net zero. but in 2023, supported 2023, 71% of voters supported the overall net zero target. so

i'm not sure it's winner for i'm not sure it's a winner for them. against of course, them. i'm against it. of course, but sunak, this is one of the them. i'm against it. of course, but things this is one of the them. i'm against it. of course, but things sunak's»ne of the them. i'm against it. of course, but things sunak's been the them. i'm against it. of course, but things sunak's been not few things sunak's been not terrible sure terrible on. so i'm not sure this a complete winner this is a complete winner because somewhat because he's been somewhat moderate. because he's been somewhat moderamuch because he's been somewhat modera much better off the they're much better off on the immigration we immigration referendum, which we just immigration referendum, which we jusdo one. so not sure this to do one. so i'm not sure this is though i'm against it. is even though i'm against it. and don't like the fact and people don't like the fact it's cost so much it's going to cost them so much money. been of money. it's sort of been out of the lately, so i'm the news a bit lately, so i'm not if this is going to be not sure if this is going to be a winner for reform. >> i tend to with you. >> i tend to agree with you. it's a sort of catchy title, it's got a sort of catchy title, net i don't think net zero, and but i don't think they've quite turn it they've managed to quite turn it into know, into a, you know, a hate trigger. of trigger. no there is a lot of alarmism though. the alarmism around, though. the whole depends on alarmism. whole thing depends on alarmism. in order to deliver something whole thing depends on alarmism. in 0 ridiculous iver something whole thing depends on alarmism. in 0 ridiculous that something whole thing depends on alarmism. in 0 ridiculous that quickly 1g whole thing depends on alarmism. in 0 ridiculous that quickly ,] this ridiculous that quickly, you've got to alarm the people into believing that they must do it and the worst means as it and by the worst means as well, them that well, by telling them that either them or children either them or their children will affected by it. will be fatally affected by it. which in my opinion is a nonsense . and the problem with nonsense. and the problem with politics is politicians are involved. so all of all, we're going to get here. even if we were to have another referendum, is just a battle of politics where never really get the

where we never really get the truth. and even if it was, even if we were to get the truth and we got answer from the we got an answer from the public, wouldn't know to we got an answer from the pquith wouldn't know to we got an answer from the pquith it. wouldn't know to we got an answer from the pquith it. again,1't know to we got an answer from the pquith it. again, it's now to do with it. again, it's absolutely also absolutely true. and also it's worth saying things get worth saying a few things get mixed zero, for mixed in with net zero, for instance, certainly, instance, in london, certainly, you 20 mile per hour speed you know, 20 mile per hour speed limits the ulez thing limits and the ulez thing are much more with air quality much more to do with air quality and highly dubious , and even then, highly dubious, even more dubious project fear. >> people hate net zero when >> people do hate net zero when they see what means, they see what it means, ridiculous that don't ridiculous heat pumps that don't work, it's been work, and so on. but it's been toned it's been toned down a bit. it's been put away lately both away a bit lately by both parties. put away parties. even labour put away their 28 billion plan. if their 28 billion green plan. if labour they start their 28 billion green plan. if labou crazy they start their 28 billion green plan. if labou crazy stuff they start their 28 billion green plan. if labou crazy stuff thenr start their 28 billion green plan. if labou crazy stuff then thisrt doing crazy stuff then this will become again, become more relevant again, i agree, i've several agree, i mean, i've said several times on the show, but i'll say it think britain's best it again, i think britain's best chance contributing to a chance of contributing to a greener to create greener future is to create the strongest economy strongest possible economy that will brightest will bring in the brightest and the around world, the best from around the world, because universities because we have the universities here sciences here and the life sciences centres, centres of centres, we can be centres of excellence and we should make sure economy strong sure our economy is strong enough. have reduced our co2 >> we also have reduced our co2 by 2020. heroes and by 5 to 6% in 2020. heroes and also tiny already, you know, but we're also masochists , sadly. so

we're also masochists, sadly. so that's it for part two. coming up, germany legalises cannabis. we through the looking we are through the looking glass people

and welcome back to headliners. so david lammy is rearing his handsome head in the telegraph pool handsome head in the telegraph pool. and he has unerringly identified the main threat to jews in the uk. it is, of course, nazis . nazis. we like to course, nazis. nazis. we like to say that here police must bear down hard on people who brandish swastikas and protest at protest. swastikas i had to attempt an honorary why are you doing with a swastika? i had a little pizzazz, but it really failed me. so this is david lammy, know, having such lammy, you know, having such a brave stance. old chops brave stance. old lamb chops here. like politics here. i mean, it's like politics now is like shooting fish in a barrel. we've. we see and hear so much mental stuff that someone can come up and say, someone can come up and say, come say, someone can come up and say, come say, i see

come out and say, i see swastikas as being bad. and we're like, yeah, okay, good we're all like, yeah, okay, good stance. that's what we want to heat stance. that's what we want to hear. the shadow foreign hear. so the shadow foreign secretary comments secretary made these comments after this after a rally erupted this weekend. of course, as a metropolitan police officer , had metropolitan police officer, had some an american some discourse with an american lady and who was pointing out, patrick interviewed on the show. he did. he did. and, that was i watched it intently, actually. and and i had a discussion and you and i had a discussion about it, but, essentially, she saw in the crowd and, saw a swastika in the crowd and, and a picture of netanyahu with and a picture of netanyahu with a hitler moustache. yes. and the police, the policeman said to her, well, these things are all about context. yeah so my view on this is i don't think context is quite the right word. i think it's more like intent, but it's a little bit it's like the difference between using the n word and discussing or mentioning the n word, which is you know, is supposed to be in legislation in america, and we can dispute whether either case is right. but flying a swastika , is right. but flying a swastika, if you were intending to, demonstrate , what would you call demonstrate, what would you call it, like loyalty or adherence to

nazi principles? i am a nazi. here is the swastika. i think the nazis were right. and i think the holocaust was a good thing that i think would be such a cut and dried case that even the met would intervene if that were even the met, even the met would see that as anti—semitism. but what they're doing is with the is they are saying the swastikas is they are saying you, israel , are no better than you, israel, are no better than the nazis were in your treatment of gaza . right. and that i don't of gaza. right. and that i don't know. it doesn't. i'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it does feel like it needs be feel like it needs to be understood. that's the context. that's so don't that's the meaning. so i don't know think. know what you think. >> particularly it? >> particularly pleasant is it? yeah. in yeah. when it says taken in context, perhaps means it context, perhaps he means it could reference to could be a reference to buddhism. where the buddhism. of course, where the swastika. he meant? swastika. is that what he meant? hinduism. but. but. oh yeah. hinduism. but. but. oh yeah. hinduism. i out a hinduism. sorry i zone out for a second. probably second. you probably already said but, crazy thing said it, but, the crazy thing is, it's from the left, is, it's coming from the left, isn't the crazy thing isn't it? that's the crazy thing about and it should. you about it. now and it should. you ban it's the ban these things and it's the same question. should ban these things and it's the sambaniestion. should ban these things and it's the sam ban these. should ban these things and it's the sam ban these. jihadi, uld you ban these strange jihadi, ambiguous ? they, ambiguous jihadi flags? they, you know, the black and white flags bring out. no one flags they bring out. no one quite knows exactly they're flags they bring out. no one quite krbut; exactly they're flags they bring out. no one quite krbut it's exactly they're flags they bring out. no one quite krbut it's exactljdeath re saying, but it's probably death to a to the west. so there's a question. do ban

question. and if you do ban everything i'm not everything like this, i'm not sure the right thing is, sure what the right thing is, but get hate. but you don't get rid of hate. part you don't part shade dawn butler you don't actually hate. so if actually get rid of hate. so if you get rid of the symbols of it, people still think the same things. not sure that things. so i'm not sure that works what we do works either. but what we do learn is the learn once again, is that the regime with palestine learn once again, is that the regime they'reth palestine learn once again, is that the regime they're softilestine learn once again, is that the regime they're soft ontine learn once again, is that the regime they're soft on that side. >> here's the thing. the march side. >>itsere's the thing. the march side. >>its entirety thing. the march side. >>its entirety every. the march side. >>its entirety every saturday ch in its entirety every saturday since , i don't know, mid—october since, i don't know, mid—october or whatever when they started, have been using the word genocide. they have been accusing a genocide in accusing israel of a genocide in gaza. that is the thing for which hitler is most notorious against the jews. that is what the swastika is a symbol of. so if you're allowed to say it's a genocide, you've already you're 98% of the way there. yeah. and if you're not allowed to say it's a genocide, then the entire march be banned in my view. march must be banned in my view. >> good point. march must be banned in my view. >> youd point. march must be banned in my view. >> you knowt. march must be banned in my view. >> you know what i mean? >> you know what i mean? >> yeah. they've >> yeah. well, they've deliberately done that because they're the they're trying to usurp the narrative the narrative coming from the holocaust. then october 7th, holocaust. and then october 7th, of course, inversion they. of course, the inversion they. yes, tried to yes, exactly. and they tried to with october israel says, with october 7th, israel says, well, a new well, this is like a new holocaust has unique

holocaust because it has unique properties, unique they holocaust because it has unique propit. ies, unique they holocaust because it has unique propit. and unique they holocaust because it has unique propit. and of nique they holocaust because it has unique propit. and of course, they holocaust because it has unique propit. and of course, the they call it. and of course, the other no, you're other side says, no, no, you're doing the genocide. actually doing the genocide. and actually they've the in they've won. they've won the in pubuc they've won. they've won the in public of the public opinion because of the world's now. world's so leftist now. >> absolutely . yeah. well, >> yeah, absolutely. yeah. well, noam chomsky has been saying >> yeah, absolutely. yeah. well, noarforhomsky has been saying >> yeah, absolutely. yeah. well, noarfor like sky has been saying >> yeah, absolutely. yeah. well, noarfor like ay has been saying >> yeah, absolutely. yeah. well, noarfor like a couple een saying >> yeah, absolutely. yeah. well, noarfor like a couple of] saying that for like a couple of decades now about israel. i mean, it's not a new proposition, these things proposition, but these things gather they? gather momentum, don't they? the news , they pull the eye news now, they pull the eye news, i should say, which is an annoying name for a newspaper, no suggestion that mps have acted immorally, but they're nasty, scheming tories . yeah, nasty, scheming tories. yeah, that's. and moving on to the next story . mps who punished, next story. mps who punished, who punished mps who pushed michael gove to water down laws to protect renters rights, have received £450,000 in donations and earnings linked to landlords since the last general election. the ican since the last general election. the i can reveal. and the idea, well, you know, politicians have got the integrity of edible knickers really, haven't they ? knickers really, haven't they? they have, of course. i mean, i think everyone's lobbied and

influenced in some way. yes, and the idea here is that obviously they were presented with some legislation that seemed to , legislation that seemed to, favour renters over, over landlords and we'll come to that as an argument in a moment. but of course, you know, as these things pass through the houses of parliament the houses of of parliament and the houses of lords, the politicians get involved to know involved and they happen to know some wealthy people who are some very wealthy people who are landlords, they involved landlords, and they get involved and no there's no and there's no there's no suggestion suggestion that and there's no there's no sugg have] suggestion that and there's no there's no sugg have] immorallyi that and there's no there's no sugg have] immorally oriat mps have acted immorally or outside parliamentary rules. no, the donations, to be clear, have been made to the party or to funds that are trying to funds that the mps are trying to collect . they're not. we're not collect. they're not. we're not talking about their talking about lining their pockets there's two pockets as such. there's two sides this story, though. sides to this story, though. renters i don't renters and landlords. i don't rent. you don't rent either, nick, do you? i don't think kind of . you definitely i of. you definitely don't. i don't but, i am aware don't rent, no, but, i am aware of, well intentioned but ham fisted legislation which has attempted to be on the side of the of the tenants and of course, has caused an awful lot of misery woe, certainly in of misery and woe, certainly in london, it's never

london, you know. so it's never that not like a that easy. it's not like a battle. you want is battle. what you want to do is create harmonious, mutually battle. what you want to do is create hiarrangement utually battle. what you want to do is create hiarrangement,tually battle. what you want to do is create hiarrangement , isn't( beneficial arrangement, isn't it? an ecosystem in which landlords and tenants can coexist ? and perhaps some of coexist? and perhaps some of these, donations have helped create this. you never know. let's hope so. over to germany now with the guardian. nick. and having been shown to be non—addictive, cannabis is being decriminalised , which has also decriminalised, which has also been shown to help addicts. yeah it's insane. >> so cannabis users celebrate relaxation of laws up to, i suppose on personal use of germans . yeah, on personal use germans. yeah, on personal use in germany. well, yeah, it could make germans normal. i mean, perhaps they'll invading perhaps they'll stop invading places, sense places, but in another sense it's tragic to, you know, end the german spirit. they'll just all stoners playing computer games. >> the final stage. we've seen the gradual decline , haven't we, the gradual decline, haven't we, of germany. >> would weeping, >> nietzsche would be weeping, i imagine. it's a sort of it's imagine. but it's a sort of it's a it's madness because cannabis is linked to violent crime. peter hitchens has done lots of work on this. anyway, in a very german way, you'll be able to

carry of dried cannabis and carry 25g of dried cannabis and have three marijuana plants at home. three can home. up to three you can imagine round. how imagine coming round. check how many the three plants. imagine coming round. check how man'counts the three plants. imagine coming round. check how man'counts as the three plants. imagine coming round. check how man'counts as athe three plants. imagine coming round. check how man'counts as a half.hree plants. imagine coming round. check how man'counts as a half.hree |itants. this counts as a half. take it away . yeah, it's going to be. away. yeah, it's going to be. probably shouldn't do that accent. is that allowed? i don't know one know anymore, but the last one to yeah, they'll probably >> yeah, yeah, they'll probably allow. still, i do think it's interesting mention violent interesting you mention violent crime hitchens is crime and peter hitchens is interesting course, crime and peter hitchens is inteihasng course, crime and peter hitchens is inteihas had course, crime and peter hitchens is inteihas had long course, crime and peter hitchens is inteihas had long running'se, crime and peter hitchens is inteihas had long running roles and has had long running roles with brand. with people like russell brand. on not, on whether or not, decriminalising more decriminalising allows more transparency and people can get the help they need, but i personally think the low level damage that cannabis i mean damage that cannabis does i mean , you know, hands up, i smoked a bit, more than i should bit, probably more than i should have done at university. and looking back, it was was looking back, it was it was demotivating . did you inhale demotivating. did you inhale simon stoned right now. >> you think wearing >> why do you think he's wearing the glasses? >> was i mean, everyone >> but it was i mean, everyone was doing pressure or was doing it. peer pressure or whatever. don't that whatever. i don't know that i even very much. even enjoyed it very much. i genuinely remember, like, a lot of feeling that of things that you feeling that you're going, oh, here you're sort of going, oh, here we know, it nibbles away we go. you know, it nibbles away at away at your at gnaws away at your determination, your drive. you know, people go full on

know, a few people go full on psychotic. and i'm not trivialising that . but as trivialising that. but as a societal effect and influence , i societal effect and influence, i feel a lot less well disposed towards it now than i used to. and also the stuff is like orders of magnitude stronger, isn't orders of magnitude stronger, isn'comedians do it, some of whom >> comedians do it, some of whom even do this show, and they should all be put in jail. yeah let's the germans more let's make the germans look more relaxed though, now. relaxed than us, though, now. >> look like whatever >> yeah, we look like whatever way look at this, it's the way you look at this, it's the end. could the end. end. it's. it could be the end. i don't think i'm as i mean, i don't think i'm as passionate nick. passionate as you are, nick. about being about it not being decriminalised, the germans decriminalised, but the germans are taking a stance on this, which is being taken all around the particularly the world now. yeah particularly in we seem to in the us. yeah. and we seem to be left behind. yeah. well, i mean, the thing we're not mean, the only thing we're not actually walk down any london street. oh yeah. yeah. of london stinks of the stuff. but yeah i suppose there is always, you know, the british the know, the british fudge is the way the polite way to do this. the polite fictions, look the other way way to do this. the polite fiso>ns, look the other way way to do this. the polite fiso>nzhas look the other way way to do this. the polite fiso )n:has worked he other way way to do this. the polite fiso )n:has worked forother way way to do this. the polite fiso>nzhas worked for us er way way to do this. the polite fiso>nzhas worked for us fairly! . so it has worked for us fairly well over the years, but i don't know still lawlessness know if we're still lawlessness in polite in the british polite lawlessness . male, male, paul lawlessness. male, male, paul and are well aware and us voters are well aware that joe biden does not have

another four years in him, but what are you going to do about it? only, only 38% of voters think biden will be alive at the end of the second terms, and more than a third believe kamala harris will be president by january 2029. if the 81 year old is re—elected. now, four years ago, if you tweeted that, you'd probably be in a lot of trouble, but now we've just got to the point where, you know, everybody accepts that president biden is sort of a bin fire that's slowly going to die at some point, kind of. i mean, if they want to, you know, elect a guy who probably doesn't have a full term in him, but they feel comfortable with that. guess their that. i guess that's their choice. would think that choice. but you would think that would his choice vice would inform his choice of vice president, you? which president, wouldn't you? which is which? i don't think she was made with the expectation that she would actually be president four ago. four years ago. >> pick four years ago. >> you wouldn't pick the most hated america. i mean, hated woman in america. i mean, i surely they're going to hated woman in america. i mean, i in surely they're going to hated woman in america. i mean, i in big|rely they're going to hated woman in america. i mean, i in big mike hey're going to hated woman in america. i mean, i in big mike or, 're going to hated woman in america. i mean, i in big mike or, or, going to hated woman in america. i mean, i in big mike or, or, one g to hated woman in america. i mean, i in big mike or, or, one of:o sob in big mike or, or, one of the or gavin newsom. sorry was this a joke? satirical turn? yeah, i meant, a man called

mike. but but look, biden, michael is 3 to 1, apparently, sorry. no, a third favourite. seriously. okay. she's not even in the running. he's not. >> anyway, trump's gonna win anyway. unless they completely rig it. he needs to make it too big to rig. and then if it's too big to rig. and then if it's too big to rig. and then if it's too big to rig, trump will win anyway. all academic. big to rig, trump will win anyiisn't all academic. big to rig, trump will win anyiisn't it all academic. big to rig, trump will win anyiisn't it insane academic. big to rig, trump will win anyiisn't it insane thatiemic. big to rig, trump will win anyiisn't it insane that only:. but isn't it insane that only 38% be it's 38% think he'll be alive? it's utter madness. most powerful man in and probably in the world, and he probably won't does anyone know won't be alive. does anyone know if he even is alive? no, we're not even now, we? there not sure even now, are we? there was rumours at one, was a hologram. rumours at one, but seem to alive. but he does seem to be alive. he's doing horrific but he does seem to be alive. he's like doing horrific but he does seem to be alive. he's like dday horrific stuff like trans day of visibility, american visibility, hating the american people, the house, people, leader of the house, mitch, yeah. i was not mitch hedberg . mitch mcconnell, has hedberg. mitch mcconnell, has i think gone, hasn't he ? but think he's gone, hasn't he? but he was like, he's the same age. he was freezing . just completely he was freezing. just completely freezing. have to be. he was worse. >> he had to be restarted . >> he had to be restarted. >> he had to be restarted. >> yeah, but i mean, that's the age. that's what happen. of age. that's what can happen. of course months, course it happens at 18 months, you although , to the

you know, 81, although, to the country that, trump is only country of that, trump is only a few years younger. yeah. and he is full of vigour. yeah he's full of beans, i don't know, not as much as he was, but quite what he was. right you know, 2016. he's learned to work what he was. right you know, 2016 what he's learned to work what he was. right you know, 2016 what he'slearned to work what he was. right you know, 2016 what he's got ned to work what he was. right you know, 2016 what he's got left to work what he was. right you know, 2016 what he's got left more rk with what he's got left more effectively. said effectively. having said that, a lot democrats are very happy lot of democrats are very happy with the last four years, you know, obviously know, but they're obviously not happy. that know, but they're obviously not happy. happy that know, but they're obviously not happy. happy with that know, but they're obviously not happy. happy with the at know, but they're obviously not happy. happy with the totem. know, but they're obviously not hapjknow,)py with the totem. know, but they're obviously not hapjknow, maybe] the totem. know, but they're obviously not hapjknow, maybe they totem. know, but they're obviously not hapjknow, maybe they found. know, but they're obviously not hapjknow, maybe they found a you know, maybe they found a new form of government, basically where the president is more of a figurehead, like king figurehead, like like like king charles something almost. you charles or something almost. you know, i feel that's how they're operating just have operating now. they just have this grandfather figure this nice old grandfather figure who sort of down home who lends a sort of down home norman vibe to trans norman rockwell vibe to trans day of visibility and looks incredibly weak on the world stage with unprecedented numbers incredibly weak on the world stiwars. th unprecedented numbers incredibly weak on the world stiwars. he's,:)recedented numbers incredibly weak on the world stiwars. he's, sorryiented numbers incredibly weak on the world stiwars. he's, sorry ,ented numbers incredibly weak on the world stiwars. he's, sorry , sorry,1umbers of wars. he's, sorry, sorry, paul of wars. he's, sorry, sorry, paul, but that is part three destroyed of coming up in the final section, we have the controversial canon of boomers and the controversial booming of cannons. you won't better cannons. you won't get a better link that hour. we'll cannons. you won't get a better linkyou that hour. we'll cannons. you won't get a better linkyou in hat hour. we'll cannons. you won't get a better linkyou in at hour. we'll

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and welcome back to headliners yes, i am wearing them for all four sections. so sinister cold war vibe in this story from the times. nick as rum, cigar smoke and the buena vista social club are not to blame for havana syndrome. >> yes, it's russian spies blame havana syndrome attacks on us diplomats. you could easily be playing a russian spy like that kind of guy in the background playing in piano. oh, no. you'd be like, kind of background. people think you're not part of it, running people think you're not part of it, it. running people think you're not part of it, it. that running people think you're not part of it, it. that kind running people think you're not part of it, it. that kind thing,1g people think you're not part of it, dot. that kind thing,1g people think you're not part of it, do yomat kind thing,1g people think you're not part of it, do you know d thing,1g people think you're not part of it, do you know d tthis,1g people think you're not part of it, do you knowd tthis is| people think you're not part of it, do you know d tthis is a but do you know what this is a sinister story. this is, people are all these symptoms, are having all these symptoms, such , hearing loss, such as nausea, hearing loss, memory lapse, possibly. biden had and they were just had this, and they were just like, why are we getting this? one person had a metallic drilling noise in their head. it was like a dentist drilling on steroids. anyway, the rumour or the some of the feeling is it's some sort of sonic speaking sonic attacks. we're speaking of sonic by the russians, sonic earlier by the russians, and i don't want to say in case i get sonic attacked, these were

actually for their a shield. >> right. >> right, right. >> right, right. >> so you're safe. >> so you're safe. >> yeah. i mean, it's absolutely we heard many, sort we haven't heard that many, sort of these stories lately, but it's apparently like it's back apparently like a thousand reported cases of it. and havana. and not just in havana. >> . >> right. >> right. >> and the. yeah, the part i forgot to mention, which is absolutely critical. sorry. because a havana because i was having a havana attack, it's people attack, was that it's people who've and worked who've criticised and worked against been against russia and have been very against russia. will very strong against russia. will get their brains out. in one case, woman saw guy , a case, the woman saw a guy, a suspicious guy across the road, and he was the son a sort of and he was the son of a sort of high russian dude. and high level russian dude. and later it was him. later she identified it was him. so . so yeah. >> dodgy. what you think, >> dodgy. what do you think, paul? we know it's true paul? well, we know it's true because intelligence paul? well, we know it's true because i.e. intelligence paul? well, we know it's true because i.e. cia. telligence paul? well, we know it's true because i.e. cia. telligedenied agencies, i.e. cia. yeah, denied that it was. their reports show that it was. their reports show that there was nothing to be found. so as soon as i read that, i was like, of course it was. well, the fact is, was. well, it is the fact is, the is in their mission the cia, it is in their mission statement that they're not only allowed expected in allowed but expected to lie in order to protect american interests. what's interests. that's exactly what's happened here. i don't know why they releasing any. happened here. i don't know why tidon't releasing any. happened here. i don't know why tidon't know, releasing any. happened here. i don't know why tidon't know, it releasing any. happened here. i don't know why tidon't know, it soundsing any. happened here. i don't know why tidon't know, it soundsingtinyl. i don't know, it sounds a tiny bit plausible i remember bit plausible to me. i remember i is different, but i know this is different, but

the war syndrome, they the gulf war syndrome, they denied years until denied for about 20 years until they cracked and went, they finally cracked and went, yeah, 12, years. they finally cracked and went, yeturned 12, years. they finally cracked and went, yeturned out 12, years. they finally cracked and went, yeturned out to 12, years. they finally cracked and went, yeturned out to be 12, years. they finally cracked and went, yeturned out to be a 12, years. they finally cracked and went, yeturned out to be a chemical rs. it turned out to be a chemical very similar to one that's in sheep dip. they worked out that farmers had same farmers sometimes had the same syndrome, but that's not the same here, because that same thing here, because that was a sort of friendly fire problem. basically, was problem. basically, that was their that had their own government that had exposed danger. but their own government that had expos�*things danger. but their own government that had expos�*things can danger. but their own government that had expos�*things can take danger. but their own government that had expos�*things can take d'long. but these things can take a long while to sort you know, while to sort of, you know, emerge well. there's real things. >> there's agent orange, then there's like there's non—real ones like long covid. you know. covid. yeah, but you never know. mk ultra, which is the pointless trouble there. paul, don't mention them. >> i did once on radio four. never saw the back of it, i newsnow, paul and, a shock as a female artist makes it into the top 30 of boom radio's all time single hit. boom. i don't know, boom radio existed. fantastic. boomer radio. by the sound of it, it is literally boom radio defends naming only one woman in its 30 greatest songs of all time. so this isn't boom radio. if you put it to the vote. yeah, and then listeners voted, for

the top 30 of all time, and only one woman made it in. and that was, dusty springfield or rusty springboard as one of the more commonly used to say, great, great singer. but i don't think it's her best song going back number 30. i wouldn't put that in her three. the point is in her top three. the point is made and son a made in bed and son of a preacher those my preacher man, those would be my top great songs. there top two. yeah great songs. there are there. i are other women out there. i mean, women there mean, there are some women there are four decent women are at least four decent women worth aren't they, nick? have mitchell >> i'd have joni mitchell in there maybe from there and maybe kate bush from there and maybe kate bush from the era. there and maybe kate bush from the yeah era. there and maybe kate bush from the yeah , era. there and maybe kate bush from the yeah , kate. there and maybe kate bush from the yeah , kate bush and joni and >> yeah, kate bush and joni and i come on. yes i would say aretha, come on. yes aretha. i don't quite know why. i mean, we're very progressive as three. so not these these janis could be in janis janis could be in there, janis joplin, carole king brilliant. >> definitely tapestry joplin, carole king brilliant. >> away definitely tapestry joplin, carole king brilliant. >> away thatnitely tapestry joplin, carole king brilliant. >> away that could tapestry joplin, carole king brilliant. >> away that could tapestthere . far away that could be in there. but yeah, they the beach but yeah, they got the beach boys they've got best boys in, so they've got the best band that was, that band in there. so that was, that was nailed. >> yeah like idea. >> yeah i do like the idea. i mean i they're framing mean i know they're framing it as they're of as a story, but they're kind of going defend the going they have to defend the fact they just published fact that they just published the survey as you know, you the survey as you know, as you know, didn't interfere know, didn't didn't interfere in sort this to sort of with using this used to be called normal. >> we just had whatever was the

winner. it has to be engineered. >> the answer is wrong. male. now, paul. and not just nightclubs that are being forced to cannons , i to shush, some cannons, i believe. is that right? yeah. that's bang out of order. health and safety. killjoys tried to end 160 years of naval history by stopping the daily firing of an artillery gun at edinburgh castle. wow. bureaucrats wanted to stop the 1:00 gun ritual started in 1861 from this bank houday started in 1861 from this bank holiday weekend. over concerns the noise could damage people's hearing. simon i mean, absolutely absurd. it is ridiculous. it's one of the wonderful things about edinburgh. yeah. you know, you know, when 1:00 a start know, when 1:00 is for a start and think, oh my god, and you think, oh my god, my show is also it is. i mean, it absolutely bristles with its martial heritage doesn't it? absolutely bristles with its marthis�*neritage doesn't it? absolutely bristles with its marthis is'itage doesn't it? absolutely bristles with its marthis is what doesn't it? absolutely bristles with its marthis is what happens it? absolutely bristles with its marthis is what happens when absolutely bristles with its marget is what happens when absolutely bristles with its marget ridwhat happens when absolutely bristles with its marget rid of at happens when absolutely bristles with its marget rid of bullying ns when you get rid of bullying at schools. yeah. get you schools. yeah. if you get if you get you end up get rid of bullying, you end up with lots of health and with lots and lots of health and safety we have just safety officers. we have just time your favourites time for your favourites from the roundup the daily mail's roundup of april day from the april fools day pranks from the past, past . april fools day pranks from the past, past. big ben past, from the past. big ben goes that was 1980,

goes digital. that was 1980, when bbc reported that big when the bbc reported that big ben clocktower in central london would go digital, ben clocktower in central london would go digital , apparently ben clocktower in central london would go digital, apparently in 1957, it believed, that the bbc, once again on panorama , to once again on panorama, to broadcast a report about the year's bumper spaghetti crop in switzerland. very, very famous. that was richard dimbleby hosted that, and it was absolutely legendary in my family. that, and it was absolutely legendary in my family . well, legendary in my family. well, thatis legendary in my family. well, that is all we have time for tonight , one that is all we have time for tonight, one quick run through through the papers before we go the mail kick us off with arrest me defiance of jk rowling as she dares police over new scottish hate crime laws. go jc telegraph stealth tax raid on 1.6 million pensioners. the guardian tories accused of zero progress on half of levelling up goals laid bare the sun union joke our flag is being disrespected. the eye news economy will not be enough to save sunak, the tories are warned. and finally, the daily star hug a girl. i don't think i will. those were your front pages. that's all

will. those were your front pages . that's all have will. those were your front pages. that's all have time pages. that's all we have time for. my guest, paul for. thank you to my guest, paul cox dixon. we're back cox and nick dixon. we're back tomorrow with tomorrow at 11 pm. with some other we'll see if other people. we'll see if you're watching at 5 am. stay tuned breakfast. otherwise, tuned for breakfast. otherwise, thank night . thank you and good night. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather over the next 24 hours or so we'll see the heavy showers fade away . it the heavy showers fade away. it will often remain quite cloudy, but there will be some brighter spells into tuesday. low pressure dominating the weather pattern , but a pattern at the moment, but a slack area of low pressure, so we've had some moving, we've had some slow moving, heavy these slowly we've had some slow moving, heavy away these slowly we've had some slow moving, heavy away throughe slowly we've had some slow moving, heavy away through this wly we've had some slow moving, heavy away through this evening fading away through this evening time. we do have a frontal system as well across parts of scotland, the far north of england, giving some spells of rain into the early hours. we could see some clear spells through this central swathe of the and temperatures the uk, and here temperatures dipping into low single figures

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gb news. >> good evening. new hate crime laws come into place in scotland today. but could they be a danger ? or could innocent people danger? or could innocent people perhaps not get jobs as a result of it? there's a huge row as a police officer in the met tells a jewish woman that a swastika has to be taken in context. really? and migrant crossings so far this year are up by 43. where is the home secretary, james cleverly? he was boasting so much at christmas that the numbers before numbers were down, but before all of let's get the news all of that, let's get the news with sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> nigel, thank you very much.

the top stories this evening. campaigners in edinburgh have delivered a coffin outside the scottish parliament, symbolising what they say is the death of free speech. it's after the introduction of a new hate crime law, which makes it a crime to stir up hatred against people with protected characteristics. that includes disability, age , that includes disability, age, sexual orientation or people who are transgender or gender critical. author jk rowling are transgender or gender critical. authorjk rowling said it risks outlawing genuine debate over biological sex. while some police forces have raised concerns that complaints could be lodged for political reasons, the scottish conservatives say resources should towards should be directed towards frontline . more than frontline policing. more than 5400 migrants have been intercepted crossing the english channelin intercepted crossing the english channel in small boats during the first three months of this yeah the first three months of this year. it's a record figure for that quarter, up 43% compared to the same time in 2023, official

figures from the home office