it's tomorrow at 6:00. it's saturday night and this is the saturday night and this is the saturday five. i'm darren grimes , along with albie amankona, cressida wet and ben leo and benjamin butterworth. tonight on the show. >> is it ever acceptable to let yourself go after marriage .7 yourself go after marriage? >> the met police will not be arresting j.k. rowling for calling a trans woman a man. >> johnny rotten exposes the rotten state of britain's migration system. we haven't

seen the princess of wales for two months. >> so do we have a right to know exactly how she is? joe biden is back and he's going to beat trump . trump. >> it's 6 pm. and this is the saturday five. >> welcome to the saturday five. it's oscars weekend , and we're it's oscars weekend, and we're celebrating by moving to a feature length two hour format. oppenheimer is expected to sweep the boards and have two explosive characters alongside me, in the shape of albie amankona and ben leo. we also have a new leading lady, the brilliant comedian, and of course, headliner star cressida wetton. she's making her debut on the saturday five. and as for benjamin butterworth, well, he's up for best supporting actor in the wokeist non—gender blind person in britain category. now you all know the drill. by now all five of us present a topic and then we will get stuck in to

the liveliest debates on telly. and of course, we want to know your view, much more important than ours . your view, much more important than ours. get in touch gb views at gb news. com let us know your views on all the topics we discuss. but now though, let's get your latest news headlines with ray addison. >> thanks, darren. our top stories tonight. the uk was involved in a joint operation overnight which saw dozens of drones downed in the red sea. the defence secretary confirmed that hms richmond shot down two drones, repelling an attack by iranian backed houthis. the us says in total , coalition forces says in total, coalition forces hit 28 unmanned aerial vehicles. in a post on social media, grant shapps said the uk and its allies will continue to take necessary action to save lives and protect the freedom of navigation . huge crowds have navigation. huge crowds have been marching through central

london and glasgow, demonstrating against the war in gaza. demonstrating against the war in gaza . pray, pray, pray, pray . gaza. pray, pray, pray, pray. >> palestine. >> palestine. >> thousands took part in the palestine solidarity campaign protests demanding an immediate ceasefire . in london, speeches ceasefire. in london, speeches were made outside the us embassy. earlier, the met warned that a robust plan is in place to tackle hate crime. that's after the counter—terrorism tsar said the capital has become a no go zone for jews . meanwhile, the go zone for jews. meanwhile, the head of the foreign affairs committee has accused israel of blocking aid from getting into gaza. humanitarian supplies are being airdropped as the crisis in the region deepens. a ship carrying aid is also set to leave cyprus this weekend . leave cyprus this weekend. that's after the uk, us and eu announced plans to create a maritime corridor. they're also building a temporary port off the coast of gaza in the coming weeks . two tory mps have used a

weeks. two tory mps have used a social media to post demand more defence spending in further signs of tension within the party. foreign office minister anne—marie trevelyan and security minister tom tugendhat published an article appearing to criticise the absence of funds in the budget for defence. they are now calling for a spending increase to at least 2.5% of gdp. they're citing global risks posed by countries such as russia and china . the such as russia and china. the mothers of two teenagers killed in nottingham say they've lost faith in the justice system. valdo calocane was handed a hospital order for manslaughter by diminished responsibility after stabbing 19 year old students barnaby webber and grace o'malley kumar, as well as school caretaker ian coates. that was in june last year. now the teenagers parents have now criticised the police and the cps, telling the times newspaper that they felt foolish for thinking that they would see justice properly served . police

justice properly served. police are investigating whether any criminal offences have been committed at three branches of an undertaker in yorkshire . an undertaker in yorkshire. cordons are in place at legacy independent funeral directors in hull and east riding. that's after humberside police received reports of what it says was concern for care of the deceased. on wednesday . a direct deceased. on wednesday. a direct line has been set up for anyone who may have been affected . a who may have been affected. a new honour the elizabeth emblem has been created to recognise pubuc has been created to recognise public servants, servants rather, who've died in the line of duty. the fathers of murdered pcs fiona bone and nicola hughes , who were killed in greater manchester in 2012, campaigned for three years to secure the award. bryn hughes and paul bowen have described the decision as overwhelming . decision as overwhelming. >> i'm very pleased and for all

the police that have lost their lives in service that they're now getting recognition by the state and for all the families involved , it will be a privilege involved, it will be a privilege to have them . to have them. >> it's been nearly three years campaigning for me and, you know, for it finally to be announced, it's i think in one respect, it's humbling but overwhelming, so for overwhelming, but so pleased for everybody not just the everybody and not just the police as well. as we police officers as well. as we found out, for everybody in found out, it's for everybody in pubuc found out, it's for everybody in public service and that will mean a lot for those families. think. >> and finally, meghan markle says she suffered hateful and cruel online abuse while she was pregnant. speaking at an event in texas , she criticised the in texas, she criticised the toxicity and lack humanity on toxicity and lack of humanity on the internet and across parts of the internet and across parts of the media. >> the bulk of the bullying and abuse that i was experiencing, being in social media and online was when i was pregnant with archie and with lili . and with a archie and with lili. and with a newborn, with each of them. and

you just think about that and you, it's really wrap your head around why people would be so hateful. it's not catty. it's well . well. >> for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now let's get back to all five of them. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and fortunately not meghan markle. and i can promise that you're in for a very lively hour . we're for a very lively hour. we're going to crack on with tonight's first topic. an ageing punk rocker. he's hit the headlines this week. that's enough about neil oliver's new show, though. i want to talk to you about john lydon or aka, of course, johnny rotten former sex pistol. rotten of the former sex pistol. indeed. he's blamed indeed. now he's blamed immigration for what he calls division in the united kingdom. let's have a look . let's have a look. >> britain today is so, so

catastrophically disappointing, and a lot of this tour that i'm doing will be in seaside towns. and i mean, they really indicate how run down britain has become. it seems to be full of what they are termed a prospective immigrants , which are really immigrants, which are really like illegals now. >> well said there, i think, and of course johnny rotten there of the punk era, a product very much of left wing politics and even he's coming out and saying, look, britain's migration problem is hitting. what are some of the most deprived communities in the whole country and actually, you know, dare i say it, but it's only going to get worse under someone like sir keir starmer. >> well, i think, you know, his, his politics are rotten. it's finally become the appropriate name. you know what, if you ask most people in this country , most people in this country, they do not have a problem with they do not have a problem with

the people of immigrant backgrounds that run their local shop who are their local gp, who might quite likely to care for them if they end up in a hospital and need nursing people celebrate that . and i think what celebrate that. and i think what he's doing is verging on being racist. oh, here we go to try and claim that the culture of these communities have gone. benjamin. >> they probably don't have problems because the guy running their corner shop didn't arrive on a dinghy from calais, and neither the people, neither would the people, undocumented, many undocumented, who live in many mobile and passport into the engush mobile and passport into the english channel beaches, getting up goodness only knows what. up to goodness only knows what. >> doctors. >> they're not doctors. >> they're not doctors. >> enough you, darren. >> but enough about you, darren. look is that know, look the fact is that you know, our country has been massively enhanced and improved by migration . ian. no it hasn't. migration. ian. no it hasn't. and just because there aren't enough grumpy, racist old white people to turn up to a sex pistols gig, that might be a problem forjohnny pistols gig, that might be a problem for johnny rotten, pistols gig, that might be a problem forjohnny rotten, but i don't think it's a problem for can i ask please how it's been enhanced by migration? >> one example i'm here, that's how it's been enhanced. look, i do the united kingdom has

do think the united kingdom has been enhanced migration, been enhanced by migration, but what is that what i would say is that the numbers recently been numbers more recently have been too high. benjamin, i don't know how you can sit here and say you think it is sustainable for three quarters of a million people to arrive here in net migration figures, year on year, migration figures, year on year, migration benefited britain when it was at lower numbers, so that the communities of people that were coming here could were coming over here could integrate, my grandparents integrate, like my grandparents did . not a city the size of did. not a city the size of liverpool moving to the united kingdom in year. kingdom in one year. >> but on, you know, if you >> but hang on, you know, if you were to ask your grandparents, i suspect as of black people suspect as lots of black people of that generation would describe, that were not describe, that they were not welcomed with open arms, they actually faced quite considerable of racism, considerable levels of racism, which was so appalling. and so i think is i think it is quite think it is i think it is quite selfish for someone who's a product of that route to pull the ladder up for migrants coming the country. coming to the country. >> now, we can't talk about past prejudice then apply it to prejudice and then apply it to people coming in. mean, things people coming in. i mean, things have the only have changed, jen. the only thing hasn't changed is thing that hasn't changed is johnny rotten's politics. he's still still going

still punk. he's still going against the grain, know what against the grain, you know what i yeah. i mean? yeah. >> like that. >> and sorry. like that. >> and sorry. like that. >> i just say you are >> can i just say you are massive hypocrite? yes. you're saying great for saying immigration is great for the the culture, the country, for the culture, the country, for the culture, the then next the diversity. and then the next minute come on this show and minute you come on this show and you bang on how awful you bang on about how awful these on these people are on the palestine you know, palestine marches, you know, calling to calling for israel to be external and whatever else. you can't have it both ways. >> yeah, actually, i can, because can't because you can't because i don't accept what actually don't accept what i actually think think is basically think in i think is basically a racist premise, which is to suggest these people from suggest that these people from migrant, you know, who have migrated from migrated here from other countries, have countries, somehow have that exact view. they don't. and actually, this, actually, most muslims in this, in are not from the in this country are not from the middle east, they're from bangladesh, india, bangladesh, they're from india, they're from pakistan. they're from part of the from a different part of the world. politics world. and their politics are rooted issue. so rooted in a different issue. so i that's the wrong thing i think that's the wrong thing to say. >> yeah, nasty issue. >> yeah, nasty issue. >> well, i don't agree with the people marches and that people on those marches and that you've to the country. you've welcomed to the country. >> actually, i wanted to ask >> and actually, i wanted to ask you particular, johnny you in particular, johnny mentioned john lydon and he said, johnny rotten there, but yeah, name. he yeah, that's his name. he mentioned actually fact that mentioned actually the fact that he's on tour at the minute and

he's on tour at the minute and he's a lot of these he's gone to a lot of these seaside towns, you are quite seaside towns, you two are quite a through your job. well, do a lot through your job. well, do you do you have you experienced the that people saying the fact that people are saying around country, right. around the country, right. they're look, it's they're just saying, look, it's changed all recognition. changed beyond all recognition. >> don't have much an >> we don't have that much of an intimate relationship with the audiences. stand up, will audiences. as a stand up, i will say comedy unleashed andrew say that comedy unleashed andrew doyle club is gaining doyle comedy club is gaining popularity, which is supposed to be a place where people can have whatever they want. it's whatever view they want. it's not it's one outlook or not that it's got one outlook or another, that a another, it's just that it's a place look, we're not place that says, look, we're not going tell what to say or going to tell you what to say or what to think, and that is whenever i've done comedy unleashed, full room. >> and the pistols, of >> and the sex pistols, of course, did song called pretty course, did a song called pretty vacant. you reckon was vacant. do you reckon that was written about benjamin butterworth? absolutely. he had the foresight, however. >> sorry, you know >> no, i'm sorry, but you know johnny i don't know his johnny rotten, i don't know his exact age, but i suspect it's pensioner age now. right. and the is that we have the fact is that we have a fundamental problem in country. >> we have found out he's old. so you want go for the so now you want to go for the jugular? you have a problem. we have hateful. that's you are. >> i'm not hateful, darren. i'm just a realist. right? we a just a realist. right? we have a massive country

massive problem in this country with a big chunk, with that. they're a big chunk, a disproportionately large chunk historically, population a disproportionately large chunk historiof.ly, population a disproportionately large chunk histori of work population a disproportionately large chunk histori of work because ulation a disproportionately large chunk histori of work because they're is out of work because they're pensioners. course, pensioners. and that, of course, is fine. on tour, but we is fine. he's on tour, but we have a smaller number of people who to work now. the only way who go to work now. the only way to for those pensions, for to pay for those pensions, for the health care, the social the health care, for the social care, to more workers. care, is to have more workers. that's seaside towns that's why we need seaside towns to immigrants, because to have immigrants, because i tell you what, those economies of those seaside towns would collapse no money collapse and there'd be no money to go to johnny watson's without migrants, immigrants. >> about people >> he's talking about people turning coming turning up after coming here from goodness where. from goodness only knows where. after arriving a dinghy from calais. >> and that is a distraction because in the nhs , the figures because in the nhs, the figures and even the institute for fiscal studies, right. >> who i'm sure that you've referenced once or twice, they said there is no benefit to said that there is no benefit to the british economy mass the british economy from mass migration. are if there was migration. you are if there was if there was. >> latest gdp figures show that gdp per capita per head, which is the true the true value of how wealthy individuals are gdp per head contracted by 0.7% last yean per head contracted by 0.7% last year, despite a city the size of

birmingham coming here over the last. >> to imagine how bad it would be without those immigrants. >> it's a myth that migrants grow the economy. >> it's not. we need more migrants in this country because we workers. we don't have enough workers. frankly, you know, frankly, i've said it, you know, before show, but if we before on this show, but if we sent the pensioners to rwanda and refugees, our and kept the refugees, our economy would be better. >> don't want to integrate >> most don't want to integrate and most don't want to integrate. been proven integrate. they it's been proven from figures they from those gdp figures that they don't contribute economy. don't contribute to the economy. so aren't there. so the services aren't there. the aren't there. the schools aren't there. >> both albion and i are the grandkids of immigrants. mine was i think we've was canada and i think we've done pretty well. >> can't compare >> you can't compare today to 40, 60 ago. 40, 50, 60 years ago. >> i also don't think the country, the country's full grandparents with those arriving in right think in dinghies. right now, i think they're slightly different. >> boat, >> they arrived on a boat, anyway, right away. >> wants to go next? >> then who wants to go next? >> then who wants to go next? >> i'll go next. darren. so is it ever acceptable to let yourself go after you get married? well, bath university followed 14,000 men. sorry, 9000 men over 14 years. and they found that married men are over two and a half pounds more heavy

than their bachelor counterparts. so what do you all think? is it ever acceptable to let yourself go after marriage? let's have a look at some famous faces just to see if this is true in real life, we're first going to have a look at the wonderful prince of wales, prince william. oh, look at him back then. a hunk. and then back then. such a hunk. and then look what happened after look at what happened after he got to middleton, got married to kate middleton, the now princess of wales, looking different and not looking very different and not quite handsome. have a quite as handsome. let's have a look at the rapper jay—z. back look at the rapperjay—z. back in the day before we got married to beyonce. okay, he's never been pretty as beyonce, but been as pretty as beyonce, but he was certainly prettier back then than he is now. oh look at those dreads. i am not sure about that. so that's me done. i don't think it is acceptable to let yourself go after those two, prince william and jay—z don't look like they've put on that much weight. and actually two and a half pounds. was that the figure? yes that's nothing. that's water weight. you can wake 1.1kg. wake up and lose 1.1kg. >> that's nothing. >> that's nothing. >> oh poor old prince william. >> i mean, he'sjust he'sjust

>> i mean, he's just he's just aged. that's allowed. he's lost his head. >> he's lost his hair. he's still he's still sorry. >> middleton, the princess >> kate middleton, the princess of wales is also aged. she doesn't as bad as that. doesn't look as bad as that. >> yes, because doesn't have >> yes, because she doesn't have male baldness. >> yes, because she doesn't have ma that's baldness. >> yes, because she doesn't have ma that's bhe ness. >> yes, because she doesn't have ma that's bhe just. >> yes, because she doesn't have ma that's bhe just lost his >> that's why he just lost his head. thing i do agree head. but one thing i do agree with you on is and i might get lambasted for this. however, i do think that if your partner in marriage totally out of marriage gets totally out of control, grounds control, that is genuine grounds for it's not for divorce because it's not just on a superficial level of, you know, do i find you attractive? it's going to affect your sex life. it doesn't set a good example to your children if you've got, you know, an obese parent not example parent that's not a good example to i don't care what to your kids. i don't care what anyone says, also it's kind anyone says, and also it's kind of like, you know, do you want to put in the effort anymore to be just i don't agree be with me? i just i don't agree with say it's fine to with people who say it's fine to let yourself go just because you're it's you're comfortable. i think it's a nonsense. >> benjamin butterworth, do >> benjamin butterworth, what do you think it's you think? do you think it's okay to let yourself go? he already has marriage. okay to let yourself go? he alrewell,ias marriage. okay to let yourself go? he alrewell, clearly'iage. okay to let yourself go? he alrewell, clearly it'se. okay to let yourself go? he alrewell, clearly it's too late >> well, clearly it's too late for him. >> well. before marriage. yeah, yeah , let go. yeah, i've let myself go. >> and that's why i can't get

married. think it is married. you know, i think it is common happens because common that this happens because people often reason that people often the reason that they the gym, that they they go to the gym, that they put the effort in, is put all the effort in, is because they're trying to attract partner. and that's attract a partner. and that's human nature. that's animal nature. think it nature. right. but i think it shows certain level of shows a certain level of disrespect to the partner, because the fact there is because the fact is there is a genden because the fact is there is a gender, a sex divide. we'll come to that debate later. but there is divide here. right? because is a divide here. right? because you as you rarely, as darren referenced, find out that the woman looks, you know, particularly unkept at 50 compared to the man. you know, you get these fat, balding , you get these fat, balding, lazy, middle aged men and these beautiful women on all sides. >> i completely disagree. i think you get thinner when you're happier , isn't that? you're happier, isn't that? >> well, let's just hold that thought very quickly, because we do have an example of do actually have an example of someone is a relationship someone who is in a relationship who actually went from being perhaps attractive to being perhaps less attractive to being a lot more attractive afterwards, maybe because of that let's have that relationship. let's have a look gb very own patrick look at gb news very own patrick christys transformation over the last couple of years. that's what looks like now, since

what he looks like now, since he's met the gorgeous emily carver, and we might remember what looked like before, but what he looked like before, but he different . so it he looked very different. so it is possible, cressida, to get into a relationship and have the opposite thing happen to you . opposite thing happen to you. >> well that's it, because instead of being friends with your fridge and with carbs, you've got somebody to talk to, somebody to, to hang outwith. and think feel better and i think people feel better about themselves. >> well, he swapped one carver for and it helped for another and it helped a great deal, do you what? great deal, do you know what? i think you made a really good point, though, crystal, about how there is link between how there is a link between happiness eating. know happiness and eating. i know that unhappy, if that when i'm unhappy, even if i've not clocked it right, i've not quite clocked it right, i'm to the fridge a lot i'm going to the fridge a lot more. i'm not putting in the effort meal that's effort to cook a meal that's going be more nutritious, going to be more nutritious, that's to healthier. that's going to be healthier. i'm not going on walks, i'm not going out on walks, which so good for your mental which is so good for your mental health. that's when the health. and that's when the pounds oh, so you're pounds come. oh, so when you're tired. pounds come. oh, so when you're tire i've noticed in recent weeks, >> i've noticed in recent weeks, if i'm particularly or if i'm particularly tired or i've bad night with the i've had a bad night with the kids next day, i will eat an kids the next day, i will eat an extraordinary me anyway, extraordinary for me anyway, amount stuff. just

amount of bad stuff. i just won't care, can i and won't care, can i ask? and that would apply lot of parents would apply to a lot of parents if they're knackered, if they're working, single working, if there's a single parent, working two parent, or they're working two jobs, will tend to eat. jobs, they will tend to eat. i was about to swear, then rubbish food, then. luckily i didn't crash the sake of just crash food for the sake of just getting in you as getting it. you know, in you as a you know you're slim. a parent, you know you're slim. >> your wife slim. but do you >> your wife is slim. but do you think it sets bad example when think it sets a bad example when parents are overweight and they've school kids? they've got school aged kids? >> even worse when >> and it's even worse when those on some occasions those kids, on some occasions are and you see are also fat and obese. you see it you know, where i live, it in, you know, where i live, going to people on the school run, you see run, going to nursery, you see fat that, i mean, it's fat kids and that, i mean, it's nothing but childhood. was nothing but childhood. i was a fat kid. well, if it's child, it's child abuse in my book. if you've got a fat kid and why were so fat? were you so fat? >> fat because my parents >> i was fat because my parents separated i was depressed, separated and i was depressed, so so exactly. so i ate so exactly. >> though you wouldn't blame your that, though, your mother for that, though, would i wasn't the one would you? well i wasn't the one that was charge of what i was that was in charge of what i was eating, but know that i was eating, but i do know that i was a very upset child and food made me happy. >> think my mum was >> so i think my mum was juggung >> so i think my mum was juggling things, but juggling lots of things, but ultimately responsible. ultimately i wasn't responsible. >> do we strike the

>> so where do we strike the balance there? where do we get the balance right? like how how much the parents? much do you blame the parents? >> look, i think if you >> well, look, i think if you have a child who is under have a fat child who is under the age of that is not the the age of ten, that is not the child's fault or fault as a child's fault or the fault as a parent. and i think any parent with a fat child would probably admit now it is admit that. now obviously it is difficult in today's day and age. working. you've difficult in today's day and age two working. you've difficult in today's day and age two parents working. you've difficult in today's day and agetwo parents working, you've difficult in today's day and age two parents working, they le got two parents working, they might to cook, but might not have time to cook, but ultimately i think it's something like a third of kids now overweight. is now are overweight. that is a ticking time bomb. >> appalling that can't >> it's appalling that we can't get that right as a society. yeah, an affluent society. we can't cook can't teach kids how to cook broccoli. it's one of broccoli. you know, it's one of the things. the best things. >> mum have to leave that one >> my mum have to leave that one there. don't worry. leave there. but don't worry. leave there. but don't worry. leave the yes. we're not the kids alone. yes. we're not going you anymore. you going to shame you anymore. you are to go the fridge are free to go to the fridge now. coming up, the police drop an investigation j.k. an investigation into j.k. rowling and what's going on with kate coming up next, kate middleton. coming up next, has revived has joe biden revived his re—election managing to re—election hopes by managing to stay his latest stay awake during his latest state the union address? state of the union address? you're five you're with the saturday five

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news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always. cheers for your company. and cheers for your emails about tonight's topics. kathy's written in. good evening, kathy and she says johnny rotten is talking about illegal immigrants. you are conflating legal and illegal immigration. what? well, immigration. dumb or what? well, that's benjamin butterworth put firmly in his place . and john firmly in his place. and john says, oh, maybe it's the john himself. maybe this is johnny rotten himself. no problem with genuine asylum seekers. it's failed asylum seekers remaining in the uk . there have been in the uk. there have been occasions where these people have committed serious crimes. yep. and it's happened in seaside towns around our country. and matt says the only reason william appears to have let himself go is because he's got a motor mouth brother releasing books and speaking to oprah winfrey. that would cause anyone to go off the deep end .

anyone to go off the deep end. well, that's one explanation. now, though, it's time for our next debate. who's going to be up next? >> oh, it's me . up next? >> oh, it's me. i was thinking about the fridge. that was. that was my mistake , look, i'm going was my mistake, look, i'm going to talk about an old age pensioner , but this one is one pensioner, but this one is one that i actually think should stay in work. it's joe biden this week. he gave the state of the union address in the us, and he didn't just manage to stay awake and on his feet for 87 minutes, but he really brought the fire back. i thought to us politics, he came for donald trump . he stood up for ordinary trump. he stood up for ordinary americans, and he had so much more energy. we've had all this talk about how he's falling asleep and lost it and useless. well, this week the polling said that 6 in 10 americans thought joe biden had done a good or great job, and that the clear majority of undecided independent americans supported biden this week. so that's why i think this week, which also saw trump effectively secure the

republican nomination , is the republican nomination, is the week that we found out biden is going to be re—elected . going to be re—elected. >> now, all the tripe i want to know, first of all, what biden took before that speech to be so charged up. well, you don't think it was just a couple of espressos? >> you show exactly why , you >> you show exactly why, you know, why joe biden, homophobe, blah blah. know, why joe biden, homophobe, bla trump blah. know, why joe biden, homophobe, bla trump beat me to it. >> trump beat me to it. >> trump beat me to it. >> but you show exactly why joe biden's going to win, right? because trump, in his because donald trump, in his response social or response on truth social or whatever, ironically named claptrap, writes for, said claptrap, he writes for, said that he thought, you know, he suggested that joe biden was on drugs. now, obviously he was not. is ridiculous. do you not. that is ridiculous. do you not. that is ridiculous. do you not any serious american not think any serious american like any person in the world, it's a serious no, no, it's a serious issue. no, no no, no, it's going no, calm down. it's going to look at buffoon, have it one look at a buffoon, have it one time another, use narcotics time or another, use narcotics to them. to help them. >> i don't their >> i don't think their performance year old. you performance an 80 year old. you don't. might finish him don't. they might finish him off. i suppose. >> i think he probably >> yeah, i think he probably exactly. if he took a bit of i think i think you know, if you had something that, he had something like that, he wouldn't be lasting. >> look, it's just >> well, look, it's just ridiculous. it tells you something about trump

something about donald trump that challenge him that he couldn't challenge him on on his on his policies, on his delivery. popularity. delivery. excuse me? popularity. >> trump that's >> even debate. trump that's not what biden was asked last night. there's a clip doing the rounds now. if we can find now. i don't know if we can find it. probably but biden was it. probably not. but biden was asked reporters on the asked by reporters on the tarmac, air force one. tarmac, outside air force one. he you debate donald he said, will you debate donald trump? biden said, well, if trump? and biden said, well, if he behaves, if he behaves, he if he behaves, if he behaves, what rely you rely on lies. what do rely you rely on lies. that's a lie. that's not a lie. >> you rely and >> you rely on lies and conspiracy theories. will conspiracy theories. there will be presidential be three presidential debates, just last time, just like there was last time, and american people voted and the american people voted for biden. biden the for joe biden. biden won the biggest lead of any contest in us history. >> a geriatric. think >> he's a geriatric. i think it is. >> if $- $— >> if you're asking about debates, didn't trump debate debates, why didn't trump debate nikki because he's nikki haley? because he's a wimp. >> @ need e’- @ need to debate >> he doesn't need to debate nikki but he should have nikki haley, but he should have done haley. haley haley's nikki haley was a piece insignificant. she was a piece of trump's shoe. she's of gum on trump's shoe. she's a piece gum. piece of gum. >> she got 40% from republican registered republicans. well, in dc, in dc, didn't dc, no, she won in dc, didn't she ? she? >> the only primary she won was in was in the swamp. >> the only primary she won was in was in the swamp . and what in was in the swamp. and what and what does that say? i'm not saying he proves everything, ben. >> you know, you go on about big

boy donald, right? why wouldn't he of his rivals so he debate any of his rivals so far ? far? >> because he doesn't need to. why would he, when he's guaranteed nomination ? >> 7- >>a 7— >> a coward 7 >> a coward did ? >> a coward did the debates. 7 >> a coward did the debates. he did. he does any did. he does it. any presidential debates? >> krista, obviously >> look, krista, he's obviously not popular with women. not very popular with women. that's been a massive issue. that's been a massive issue. that's not true either. what do you make of him? well, as a woman, he's well to tell what a woman, he's well to tell what a woman is. >> there's a well, there's that, you know, is what we well you know, is what we are. well as do find him as a woman, i do find him hilarious. great guy, i appreciate what you're saying. the pussy grabbing. can say the pussy grabbing. can we say that this time ? i don't know, that at this time? i don't know, you just i just did. i'm so you just did, i just did. i'm so sorry. that's that's sort of, you know, it gets brought up a lot, doesn't it? but we all make mistakes. who among hasn't mistakes. who among us hasn't made did you think about that comment? >> well, i mean, it was years ago at the time. >> did you take it literally that that? that he. he enjoys doing that? >> don't think that now i'll >> i don't think that now i'll put it that way. i think anybody that say that this day that would say that in this day and age would be pretty mad, yeah. yeah. but you maybe yeah. yeah. but you know, maybe secretly deep down there are

lots women actually do lots of women that actually do like him. i don't think i think it's publicly. you're not supposed but there supposed to say that. but there are, know, there's things are, you know, there's things people like about trump. >> you actually the >> and do you think actually the cover with the hunter biden cover up with the hunter biden laptop everything to laptop story and everything to do biden from before do with hunter biden from before the last election, actually, there's to cover up there's going to be a cover up over biden's health. over joe biden's health. >> you're you're more he's >> look, you're you're more he's clearly up. look clearly he's not clued up. look how how look how hillary how look how look how hillary clinton was declining during the presidential race trump. presidential race with trump. there's of there's that infamous clip of her into a car by the her being led into a car by the secret service. >> all the american >> why all the american presidential candidates so old? >> i mean, they've such >> i mean, they've got such awful choices pick from. awful choices to pick from. surely benjamin and sorry, ben and you think that and darren, you don't think that donald trump and joe biden are the two best americans in the country to be running for president? surely the republicans have got better than trump . trump. >> the thing with trump, though, is he's never going to he's never going to have a favour with trump supporters, is he? he's got sort of unusual, he's got this sort of unusual, goduke he's got this sort of unusual, godlike status with certain people they're just people who just they're just going support him forever. going to support him forever. i find how you guys are

find it funny how you guys are more fact more outraged about the fact donald said something in donald trump said something in some, some locker some, you know, some locker room talk, calls it, or says talk, as he calls it, or says something on truth social that slightly irks you, opposed to slightly irks you, as opposed to joe weaponizing the joe biden weaponizing the department of justice to try and persecute rivals persecute political rivals or the said complete nonsense. >> hang on. no, no, hang on. all the facts that are president obama on on donald trump obama spied on on donald trump and his campaign during that election run. if that happened in ghana or nigeria, you'd be outraged and call it, you know, a banana republic and completely corrupt. >> but i'm not going to engage with your conspiracy theories . with your conspiracy theories. you know, it's not a conspiracy to trust a word you say quite shrug off. >> can't just shrug off >> you can't just shrug off things don't like, but things you don't like, but say it's theory or it's it's a conspiracy theory or it's racist homophobic. it's racist or it's homophobic. it's a deal with it. hang a fact, so deal with it. hang on. on. >> on. >> quite literally has been >> he quite literally has been pointing around the pointing judges around the country to supreme court country and to the supreme court as that's what they as president. that's what they said. what he wants. the said. that's what he wants. the result a democratic election result of a democratic election to by courts. he to be overthrown by courts. he went of his way to do that. went out of his way to do that. he rejected the democratic legitimate result of the american people. first of all, you said, why won't biden debate

him? of course he will. your bloke didn't debate them. then you want them you say, oh, we don't want them using courts to someone. using the courts to get someone. that's what trump that's exactly what donald trump has for the last three years. >> no, no, no, biden hasn't just used the courts he's pursued. he's used every department of the us government to go after donald his children, donald trump, his children, his campaign. what you can't understand the new york attorney general find, finds him general just find, finds him $348 million for some. tell the viewers why for an absolute but for loans where the bank for getting loans where the bank said they had no problem with for lying about his business. new york attorney general went on twitter and said we got him. wink emoji. what kind of person, what of professional what kind of professional behaves that? it's a behaves like that? it's a complete what are you complete banana. what are you laughing at? >> i mean, benjamin has >> just i mean, benjamin has given and you can't given you facts and you can't actually explain the story of what has just given. what he has just given. >> donald trump and that's what. >> and that is what? >> and that is what? >> no, he, the bloke isn't even honest about how many flaws are in tower. in his tower. >> albee, if you've got >> albee. albee, if you've got rose, don't even rose, actually, you don't even have coloured on. have rose coloured glasses on. >> got you've got >> you've got brick, you've got a you can't see

anything. >> donald trump prosecuted >> donald trump was prosecuted and allegedly. well, and fined for allegedly. well, not now for obtaining not allegedly. now for obtaining loans, and over loans, by lying and over inflating his assets. the banks who gave him those loans said we don't have a problem. he did not don't have a problem. he did not do that. we were happy with the loan. so in what world should he be prosecuted? especially when the democrat attorney general in new going on twitter and new york is going on twitter and flaunting that flaunting the fact that she's gone donald trump? it's gone after donald trump? it's a complete and if happened complete farce. and if happened anywhere you'd be kicking anywhere else, you'd be kicking off about it. >> frankly, ask me >> and frankly, if you ask me what hasn't lied and what man hasn't lied and overstated his assets people overstated his assets and people like people you, you and like people like you, you and all other lefties and lib all your other lefties and lib dems skies are more dems in the skies are more concerned about you, are more concerned about you, are more concerned comments concerned about stupid comments that made than that trump has made rather than than weaponization us than the weaponization of the us government rivals. >> of the f“ >> one of the most unpopular politicians country. politicians in this country. i don't what you guys don't understand what you guys think. people in uk think think. people in the uk think about if you look about donald trump. if you look at polling, he is hugely at yougov polling, he is hugely unpopular in the you've ruled that poll off before and it's about ten years old. >> went through this a few weeks. >> okay. well let's go with the actual polls. you know, the one

where 150 million people voted donald election, donald trump lost the election, right? he's not the president. >> so you accept that he's lying when you're asking me if i think the was rigged, i'm the election was rigged, i'm asking a straight question. asking you a straight question. i'd answer. i'd like a straight answer. what's the question? he what's the question? did he lose the because he's not >> well, yes, because he's not the president. >> and so do you think that he's lying when he claims he did win it? >> i think he had good grounds to ask for an to invest to ask for an investigation. you think? investigation. yeah. you think? >> think he's lying? >> do you think he's lying? >> do you think he's lying? >> that he election. >> that he lost the election. >> that he lost the election. >> okay. did lose the >> okay. he did lose the election lie detector test, right? sylhet. the police will not be investigating rowling not be investigating jk rowling for misgendering. but for alleged misgendering. but next, theories next, the conspiracy theories are is are raging. what on earth is going kate middleton? going on with kate middleton? and to know? or and are we entitled to know? or should keep our nosy beaks should we keep our nosy beaks out? with the saturday out? yeah, the with the saturday five on

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nonh dealing with outdoor company the north face . who wants to north face. who wants to brainwash their customers with divisive ideas about race? remember the good old days when businesses just wanted to sell you stuff? plus, in my take at ten, meghan markle is looking to revive her brand in the uk. good luck that . plus showbiz luck with that. plus showbiz legend christopher biggins. mark meets my top pundits and tomorrow's papers. we're live at nine. >> welcome back to the saturday five. your emails are flying in with fury. it has to be said. and margaret, she's got a telling for off us. she says i find it incredibly offensive how the princess of wales is constantly referred to as kate middleton. how many years is it since she's been middleton? how disrespectful to her children , disrespectful to her children, if nothing else yet? well, i doubt our children refer to her as the princess of wales, to be honest. >> but but i think you raise a

fair and valid point, rose says. >> that was not beau biden. that was an actor with phenomenally skilful makeup slash mask. could you recommend the same man for benjamin butterworth or desperate sean says i wait all week to hear the brilliant common sense of neil oliver's saturday 6 pm. monologue, and the follow up discussion. what happened today? well, sean , i happened today? well, sean, i hope you're still watching and you can catch neil oliver tomorrow at 6 pm. with his fantastic show. plus two hours of neil are online right now . of neil are online right now. now though, here it's time for our next discussion . who's next our next discussion. who's next in the batting order then? >> all right, well, it's going to be me and i'll start with some politeness. so is it margaret who he emailed in the princess of wales? it's been two months was admitted to months since she was admitted to hospital abdominal hospital with mystery abdominal surgery . no hospital with mystery abdominal surgery. no one hospital with mystery abdominal surgery . no one knows how she surgery. no one knows how she is. buckingham palace said that they'll as and they'll give an update as and when there, but it's been when it's there, but it's been a long weeks. the royal long 8 or 9 weeks. the royal family, a net family, they are a net contributor to the uk economy, around about 1 to £2 billion a

yean around about 1 to £2 billion a year, depending on who you believe, and some people think that gives the right to that gives them the right to demand kate is doing, how demand how kate is doing, how she's recovering, exactly she's recovering, what exactly her is we still don't her problem is we still don't know for sure. even her uncle, gary goldsmith, who is notoriously big mouth on notoriously a big mouth on celebrity brother. he celebrity big brother. he declined to get involved with all watch this . all the gossip. watch this. >> i'll ask you a question. yeah? what's where's kate? so. because she doesn't want to talk about it , we because she doesn't want to talk about it, we can't talk about it. the last thing i'm going to do is there's. there's the kind of code of etiquette. if it's announced, i'll give you an opinion . opinion. >> so, look, there's a code of etiquette. there's a code of human decency. i don't care if we pay for them. as i said, they're a net benefit. so just leave her alone. let her recover and mind your own business. >> i think there is a real level of suspicion about whether what we've been told about the princess's health is the reason for her being away. >> who's the conspiracy theorist

now about to say that two minutes ago you were calling him a conspiracy theorist? tinfoil hat. is it? hat. where is it? >> oh, look, kate. and is she up to louise? >> and i say that is because you look at clip of gary look at that clip of gary goldsmith, bloke into goldsmith, a bloke who went into celebrity brother house celebrity big brother house because thought the country because he thought the country hated like, mate, hated him. it was like, mate, we've heard of true we've never heard of you. true but he looks, says in that but he looks, he says in that clip, says, if they announce clip, he says, if they announce it, i'll talk about it now. i thought that was revealing because they have why she's because they have said why she's away she had a an away because she had a an operation. was the given operation. that was the given reason. he saying if reason. so why is he saying if they announce it, that says to me that there's a part of her health that we haven't been told about. now, look, this is someone. >> why should we be told about it? >> this % someone it? >> this someone who will be >> this is someone who will be the next queen. you know, the current monarch. you know, we hope time, but hope he lasts a long time, but he's poor health. i think he's in poor health. i think it's probably in the public interest. >> is darren. is she not entitled to. privacy? yeah. entitled to. to privacy? yeah. she absolutely is. >> let you go first. >> but i'll let you go first. ladies first. >> well, i think you're talking, like, it's medieval like, as if it's medieval britain. dies, it's

britain. and if she dies, it's going to have some. not that i'm saying happen. saying that's going to happen. please. as if, as if it's going to enormous impact on to have some enormous impact on the public. and truth is, the public. and the truth is, i mean, it's just like another celebrity, it? that's celebrity, isn't it? that's how most people of her. and most people think of her. and i think, give her her think, yeah, give her her privacy. get over it. i don't know, think when you see the know, i think when you see the royals christmas and all the royals at christmas and all the rest king's speech rest of it and the king's speech and like they're a part and things like they're a part of are as a nation, i get of who we are as a nation, i get so emotionally they're just human beings. >> like you and i. >> they like you and i. >> they like you and i. >> they like you and i. >> they just have to know they are not. they represent the country. >> no, i quite like the royal family. enjoy. i enjoy having family. i enjoy. i enjoy having the class and heritage. it's the class and the heritage. it's a and you would have a very unique and you would have a very unique and you would have a collective shrug of the shoulders all popped shoulders if they all popped their yes you did, but >> oh i didn't, yes you did, but there's difference, isn't there's a difference, isn't there? that you shrug there? it's not that you shrug your shoulders, it's just that your shoulders, it's just that you well, okay, maybe you think, well, okay, maybe she's maybe she's got she's got this. maybe she's got that. don't need to that. i don't need to know what's in box. mark, don't what's in that box. mark, don't open it. >> yes, but i think benjamin, on benjamin's point, though, i benjamin's point, though, what i would say the king would say is that the king buckingham palace set a precedent to actually precedent which is to actually admit the king admit that his majesty the king

had now that's why had cancer. so now that's why people looking at kensington people are looking at kensington palace, and princess palace, the prince and princess of and are saying, of wales palace and are saying, well, why won't they tell us equally that amount detail? well, why won't they tell us eqlbut that amount detail? well, why won't they tell us eqlbut ihat amount detail? well, why won't they tell us eqlbut i thoughtunt detail? well, why won't they tell us eqlbut i thought itt detail? well, why won't they tell us eqlbut i thought it was detail? well, why won't they tell us eqlbut i thought it was really’ >> but i thought it was really powerful, actually, when buckingham and buckingham palace came out and said was suffering said that the king was suffering from that was from cancer, i thought that was a powerful thing for a really powerful thing for buckingham do. kate buckingham palace to do. kate middleton, princess middleton, sorry, the princess of for our viewer, has of wales for our viewer, has actually been candid about health had in the health issues. she's had in the past. she was pregnant, she past. when she was pregnant, she had sickness. the had awful morning sickness. the duchess spoke duchess of sussex spoke about the that she, the duchess the fact that she, the duchess of sussex, meghan markle, never heard her. royal highness heard of her. her royal highness the of sussex mentioned the duchess of sussex mentioned that that had lost that she that they had lost a baby. so royals are open baby. so the royals are open about health when they about their health when they want to be. and i'm sure when the princess of wales ready the princess of wales is ready to be talking about it, they will speak about does the public know at this moment deserve a running commentary on kate's health? i think there's a lot of speculation going on, and the palace need to come up with a way of how to end that speculation. >> we need to deal with these conspiracy theorists. yes but look, i mean, first of all,

darren's absolutely right say darren's absolutely right to say that this monarch has set a precedence that the late queen did follow. precedence that the late queen did you follow. precedence that the late queen did you know,. precedence that the late queen did you know, we did not got >> you know, we did not got information on gyles brandreth, a the royal a close friend of the royal family he wrote in his book that the queen may have had bone cancer and that was not disputed. there was no response from buckingham palace . so it's from buckingham palace. so it's possible, informed possible, you know, informed people suggested that the people have suggested that the late queen had a serious condition that the public didn't know knew she know about. we knew she struggled to walk, but the king has that. has made a departure from that. i also to i think you also have to acknowledge in acknowledge that we live in a different time. the expectations of public figures, the media cycle and its ferocity is simply different. and the truth is, as much as you joke about me being a conspiracy theorist, i think youiane a conspiracy theorist, i think you invite a lot of conspiracy . you invite a lot of conspiracy. you invite a level of anxiety if you don't keep the public inform. >> well, i did think, why doesn't she just make something up? but that won't answer the problem, will it? because eventually we'll find out. and then why don't then all even worse, why don't people own business? >> don't you find a hobby? >> why don't you find a hobby?

>> why don't you find a hobby? >> and pay the bills? >> and do we pay the bills? >> and do we pay the bills? >> i'll let you be the judge of that at home. email in gbviews@gbnews.uk. com and let us if nation should us know if the nation should keep their beaks out of kate, princess of wales's business. now keeping that now now that's keeping that viewer ahead, we're viewer happy. still ahead, we're going have some fun the going to have some fun in the second hour when two of us will go 1 to in a fiery debate go 1 to 1. in a fiery debate about markle. heard about meghan markle. never heard of in two truths one of her. and in two truths one lie, we try and guess which of us talking a of rubbish. us is talking a load of rubbish. that be a tough one to that might be a tough one to narrow down, but next, in a for blow culture warriors everywhere, not everywhere, the police are not going to investigate jk rowling over misgendering you . with the over misgendering you. with the saturday five live on

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written in. good evening. susan. she says i'm fed up with people saying the american people don't have a choice. look how many candidates in the candidates were in the republican race for the leadership. they did have a choice. and chose trump. yes. albee can't accept that i do. >> it's just such a shame, a democratic verdict that you can't accept. >> tut tut tut, linda says benjamin , leave us pensioners benjamin, leave us pensioners alone. linda. i'll tell you what, he's got a serious problem , a real hatred. i worked since i was 15 and paid 50 years of contributions to receive my pension . yeah, just to send that pension. yeah, just to send that ungrateful lout to school. there we are. now it's time for our next debate. as benjamin chokes to death. cressida, what's caught your eye? >> okay, so the met police will not be arresting jk rowling after a complaint by india willoughby, a trans woman accusing rowling of a hate crime because rowling called india willoughby a man online. so it's got to the point now where it's being called a non—crime hate

incident. i thought those were going out of fashion. i thought suella put a stop to that, but apparently not. so the police have said doesn't meet the have said it doesn't meet the threshold a hate crime, but threshold for a hate crime, but it does meet the threshold for a non—crime hate incident, which is to me, is really interesting to me, what mean? a non—crime what does that mean? a non—crime hate? is that? hate? what is that? >> i think it the police >> i think it means the police have very diplomatic. have been very diplomatic. i think turned and think they've turned up and they've they've done what they can would be a bad can because it would be a bad look for them if they completely ignored it. but also, my goodness wouldn't it be a goodness me, wouldn't it be a bad look if they turned up and really resources? really put a lot of resources? >> i'm glad police >> i mean, i'm glad the police have something right for have done something right for once. mean, bearing in mind once. i mean, bearing in mind the scenes london the outrageous scenes in london today on that pro—palestine march, arrested them, march, where they arrested them, released for carrying a released someone for carrying a pro, banner pro, sorry, a banner saying hamas terrorist. now they've hamas a terrorist. now they've made decision and made the right decision and said that not to that we're not going to prosecute j.k. rowling for saying willoughby is saying india willoughby is a man. let's be honest, man. because let's be honest, let's lying to ourselves. let's stop lying to ourselves. he a biological man. he is a biological man. >> leo, think, all >> ben. leo, i just think, all right. all know trans right. yes, we all know trans women are in fact biological men because is what makes them because that is what makes them trans acas. but i just think it

is so offensive to say to someone like india willoughby, who has gone through the transition process, had the surgery gone through, the arduous process of getting a gender recognition certificate, is legally considered a woman in most situations, and people have been able to do that since 2004. very uncontroversially, by the way. so that looks like a woman. i wouldn't know that she wasn't a that she wasn't a biological woman. if i just looked at her. that doesn't matter. no, but the point that i'm making is i just think it's so offensive and rude to say to these people, okay, well , you're to say to these people, okay, well, you're you. it shouldn't be but it's just why be illegal, but it's just why would you be so malicious? >> before you do that, let's have a look at a tweet by india willoughby. and so, oh jk rowling rather some time ago, lawyers advised me that not only did i have a clearly winnable case against india willoughby for defamation, that india's for defamation, but that india's obsessive of over obsessive targeting of me over the past few years may meet the legal threshold for harassment

point. so that's well, this is important. >> let me just answer india willoughby has done the same thing. he has misgendered other people in roles over which jk rowling provided evidence of in that tweet. and i'm sorry to say, facts trump your feelings. >> i'm not i'm not i've not spoken about feelings here. >> i have said yes, you did. you said it's disrespectful and it's hurtful. >> it is disrespectful, right? >> it is disrespectful, right? >> so trump your feelings. >> so trump your feelings. >> i'm sorry, i didn't say it should be illegal. i said it was wrong. i think it is wrong to call a trans woman a man for the purpose of malicious and purpose of being malicious and hurtful. i a lot of people are doing. >> do you think it's actually offensive and hurtful? are you being offensive and hurtful? >> i'm afraid i've got very little patience india for little patience with india for the that ben's just the reasons that ben's just pointed here pointed out, but the point here is the police, is that legally, the police, well, done the right well, they've done the right thing, they? i'm thing, haven't they? i mean, i'm not even whether it's not even sure whether it's really non—crime hate really a non—crime hate incident, given that i've got one those. one of those. >> you? yeah, i have >> have you? yeah, i have actually. >> tell me about it later. >> tell me about it later. >> yeah, will, no, >> yeah, yeah, i will, no, i really for broadcasting david starkey. >> can i a very serious

>> can i make a very serious point and can i have a little bit of time to, to, to make it as well? most people, the majority people are majority of people are supportive trans people. supportive of trans people. we want them to live happy lives. we them to content, we want them to be content, accepted, included in everything. and that's fine. >> women's or in >> not women's sports or in changing not in women's changing rooms, not in women's sports rooms. sports or change rooms. >> but when it comes to >> but but when it comes to being forced pressured being forced or pressured by trans activists people trans activists or trans people with going to the police because we won't give in to a lie or distort our reality to make them feel better. that's where we'll draw a line. >> so benjamin, then would you say, is cressida a bigot for saying that india willoughby is a man and j.k. rowling has done nothing wrong? >> a man. i'm >> willoughby's a man. i'm making point that that the making the point that that the police done the right thing. >> so you don't think india willoughby a man? well, i'm. willoughby is a man? well, i'm. >> really the fence about. >> i'm on the fence about india willoughby. not a man. >> she's biologically i'm saying she. is the thing. she. this is the thing. >> is just like it's just >> this is just like it's just going some weird mental gymnastics. >> i'm personally, on >> i'm personally, i'm on the fence pronouns. there's fence about pronouns. there's plenty would say plenty of times when i would say she. done it. that's she. i've just done it. that's

what's different. >> one thing. >> pronouns are one thing. >> pronouns are one thing. >> but it's, you >> absolutely. but it's, you know, a debate that's know, that's a debate that's raging at the moment, isn't it? there's lot of feminists who there's a lot of feminists who absolutely to absolutely don't want you to call a trans woman a woman, but yeah, naturally to yeah, india naturally comes to me because. because me as female because. because i knew her so long. it's. knew about her so long. it's. but that's doesn't mean but that's that doesn't mean that jk rowling. >> i think if you can, if you, you know, you shouldn't go around intentionally misgendering people. if it if you don't want to. but in you don't want them to. but in the case of india, despite the fact that's what you're fact that's exactly what you're doing. india, doing. no. in the case of india, willoughby, what you're willoughby, exactly what you're doing. in the doing. let me finish. in the case india, no, it's. case of india, no, it's. >> spoken a lot. >> no, no, you've spoken a lot. it's no, it's no, it's no, it's no— it's no, it's no, it's no, it's no difficulty for you to refer to them as the person they've been for 20 years. >> example, that is >> for example, that person is highly as rowling highly abusive, as jk rowling has proved been, defamatory, has proved has been, defamatory, vile, highly abusive towards other vile, highly abusive towards oth actually, think you're >> actually, i think you're highly and you're highly abusive and you're a bigot when you talk about somebody who has had a struggle to be who they are, who is simply asking to be recognised as that person, i remember when they as india they behave as as india willoughby you what?

willoughby does, you know what? you know ben? you know you know what, ben? you know what are allowed be what people are allowed to be transgender and still be a nightmare , okay? they are nightmare, okay? they are allowed to transition from male to and be referred to as to female and be referred to as a female. and you can say, i don't like her. not when that is a perfectly reasonable thing. >> your thoughts >> okay, written your thoughts not threatening your not they're not threatening your thoughts you free speech. >> you. just be clear, >> you. just to be clear, because this is a question that was raised. >> done the same thing. >> she's done the same thing. >> she's done the same thing. >> was question that we >> this was the question that we raised start. me raised at the start. let me finish. i do think that calling india a using india willoughby a man and using male he's done the male pronouns, he's done the same other people, be a same thing to other people, be a crime it is dehumanise crime because it is dehumanise izing and it is bullying on an incredible scale. when done by j.k. the clock shop, then j.k. round the clock shop, then because same thing because he's done the same thing to other people. >> don't, i think good >> no, i don't, i think good luck something comes luck to you when something comes along want to say that along that you want to say that becomes a crime. becomes becomes a crime. >> i mean, that's the whole point, isn't it? you've to point, isn't it? you've got to have speech. have as much free speech. >> india willoughby done >> and india willoughby has done the other people. the same thing to other people. >> i tell you what, we're >> and i tell you what, we're going to a break now and you're going to a break now and you're going to a break now and you're going to prison saying going to prison for saying pensioners have go to rwanda

pensioners have to go to rwanda because that was offensive. >> we lots more >> so there we are, lots more to come the saturday we're come on the saturday five. we're going and work out who's going to try and work out who's telling the truth and who's talking nonsense in two truths one help us. tackle one lie god help us. we tackle the week's in bunch one lie god help us. we tackle th

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next we're going to be talking to sasha bailey about the pressure to transition on young people who might be having other issues. and of course, we want to know your views as well . get to know your views as well. get in touch by emailing gbviews@gbnews.com. but first, it's a saturday night news with ray addison . ray addison. >> good evening. our top stories tonight . the >> good evening. our top stories tonight. the uk was involved in a joint operation overnight, which saw dozens of drones downed in the red sea the defence secretary confirmed that hms richmond shot down two drones, repelling an attack by iranian backed houthis. the us says in total , coalition forces says in total, coalition forces hit 28 unmanned aerial vehicles. in a post on social media, grant shapps said the uk and its allies will continue to take the action necessary to save lives and protect the freedom of

navigation . well. huge crowds of navigation. well. huge crowds of marched through central london and glasgow demonstrating against the war in gaza . pray, against the war in gaza. pray, pray, pray, pray against the war in gaza. pray, pray, pray, pray palestine. thousands took part in the palestine solidarity campaign protest. they're demanding an immediate ceasefire in london. the rally began at hyde park , the rally began at hyde park, finishing at the us embassy. the met police says there was no significant public order disturbance, but six people were arrested and one man was later de—arrested . well. meanwhile, de—arrested. well. meanwhile, the met says officers are deaung the met says officers are dealing with multiple public order events across london. the force says there are pockets of violent disorder in bermondsey, where officers are dealing with fans as they travel to the tube. over 2300 police officers have been policing 11 events today, including eight football matches. an international rugby

fixture and, of course, the pro—palestine protests . the head pro—palestine protests. the head of the foreign affairs committee has accused israel of blocking aid from getting into gaza. humanitarian supplies are being airdropped as the crisis in the region deepens. a ship carrying aid is also set to leave cyprus this weekend. that's after the uk, us and the eu announced plans to create a maritime corridor. they're also going to build a temporary port off the coast of gaza sometime in the coming weeks. coast of gaza sometime in the coming weeks . two tory mps have coming weeks. two tory mps have used a social media post to demand more defence spending in further signs of tension within the conservative party foreign office minister anne—marie trevelyan and security minister tom tugendhat published an article which appears to criticise the absence of funds in the budget for defence. they're now calling for a spending increase to at least 2.5% of gdp. they're citing global risks posed by countries such as russia and china , and

such as russia and china, and police are investigating whether any criminal offences have been committed at three branches of an undertaker in yorkshire. cordons are in place at legacy independent funeral directors in hull and east riding. independent funeral directors in hull and east riding . that's hull and east riding. that's after humberside police received reports that it says was of what it says was concern for care of the deceased. that was on wednesday, a direct phone line has been set up for anyone who may have been affected . well, may have been affected. well, for the latest stories you can sign up to gb news alerts. how to do that? simply scan the qr code on your screen right now or go to gbnews.com slash alerts. now back to the saturday five. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes and i can promise that you're in for another very lively hour. we're

going to start our second hour with our big interview. now we're going to have a discussion about the issue of whether struggling young people are on occasion. and all too often pressured to transition, when in fact it's something else which ails them. the entrepreneur sasha bayley has experience of this, and he's now going to discuss with me and benjamin butterworth. good evening sasha , butterworth. good evening sasha, how much do you blame the internet for actually bringing about this phenomenon and personal experiences with yourself? >> very little. because i think that this was, perception came from something that i felt within me. and i think that too often people are in an environment that they can't control. they're in a bad environment. and when you can't change your environment, you aim to change yourself . and i think to change yourself. and i think lots of people are lots of people who are experiencing dysphoria may actually experiencing actually be experiencing it, because around because the environment around them that it's them is so untenable that it's in order to adjust to it. they have to themselves in have to change themselves in some way.

>> so how it manifest itself >> so how did it manifest itself within what what was it you within you? what what was it you were wanting to change about yourself that you just simply couldn't countenance? >> the feeling of dysphoria is something i suffered from. from an early age. however, i never really exactly really pinpointed exactly what it when it was during recent times when i very stressful, i was in a very stressful, abusive place. that feeling came back and this time because i could peg it to stuff, i could put it to people, influencers, conversations on the internet. i could say, okay, well, this worked for them. maybe will worked for them. maybe it will worked for them. maybe it will work maybe this work for me. and maybe this feeling, this feeling of being uncomfortable, this feeling i uncomfortable, this feeling of i am enough is something am not good enough is something that people suffer with. that most people suffer with. and think the urge is to and i think the urge is to change yourself. and i think that, you know, there are people who are transitioning for honest reasons. there are people who are transitioning for the best reasons . but we have set up a reasons. but we have set up a structure in society where the incentives have been laid for people to transition for other reasons. that reasons. and i do think that we're dishonest we're being dishonest with ourselves willing ourselves if we're not willing to have conversation about the to have a conversation about the wider reasons that someone may

want to do this. >> so you say that you'd always felt a dysphoria. it mean felt a dysphoria. it didn't mean it related, but you'd it was gender related, but you'd always place. always felt out of place. i mean, your dad is the iconic photographer david bailey, and your well—known model your mother's a well—known model . from this . yes. so you come from this extraordinary that extraordinary background that i think anybody would find quite unusual. do you think that had played into into your sort of being unsure own being unsure of your own identity and then what this issue became a sort of the best possible explanation, but not the right one, perhaps, but i wouldn't want to pin it on something so direct. >> i think that, you know, it's more abstract. i think there's as many reasons to transition as there are people, and i think for me, it was just a way of escape. it made sense. and the people i was watching at the time, things that i was, time, the things that i was, kind bearing witness to, to kind of bearing witness to, to me, made more and me, just made more and more sense because problem, i sense because the problem, i think, with lot of this is the think, with a lot of this is the pubuc think, with a lot of this is the public discourse terrible public discourse is terrible around mean, if both sides around it. i mean, if both sides are saying are are essentially saying we are here save lives, one side is here to save lives, one side is saying we're here to stop people from a permanent from making a permanent decision, we believe decision, which we believe they will the side

will regret. and the other side is stopping from is saying we're stopping from people killing themselves people from killing themselves because they're not getting medical they need. medical care that they need. well, seems reductive well, it seems quite reductive that we're sitting around arguing about what we call people names in that way, people or names in that way, because i don't think that people who go around saying things or getting angry for names they called on the internet, i don't think they're helping trans people. i think that matter that person that the matter of that person in small town who is, you in that small town who is, you know, genuine bigotry in that small town who is, you kncjust genuine bigotry in that small town who is, you kncjust being genuine bigotry in that small town who is, you kncjust being themselves. gotry for just being themselves. i don't think that someone suing someone for calling, what essentially boils down to a mean name is helping that person. i think that all of this kind of boils down to, you know, grand standing upon kind of broken families and dead people. >> and do you think that that thatis >> and do you think that that that is what played into it? because i know i read a great piece in the daily mail where you talked about this for the very first time, and you'd been married to a much older woman. that marriage hadn't worked and you'd yourself a bad you'd found yourself in a bad place, know ? look, i place, you know? look, i disagree darren this disagree with darren on this

topic. i feel that topic. generally, i feel that genuine trans people are getting a hard time, which you sort of allude to yourself. but do you think there is a danger that people find themselves those people find themselves in those really places ? yours was really dark places? yours was the breakdown of your marriage and then this comes. this comes as possible answer. as a possible answer. >> yes, i think that's i mean, i have so, during my time, during recovery, i took the time to investigate the group online called the trans maxes. and a lot of those i have, i've spoken with interviews. it's all available online, but a lot of those people do talk about how their transitioning for functional reasons, they're transitioning. one transitioning. for instance, one of that they wanted to of them said that they wanted to get stem initiatives for get into stem initiatives for girls and these are people who have this on tape. so have said this on tape. so there are out there are are people out there who are transitioning for multitude of transitioning for a multitude of reasons genuinely reasons now, being genuinely transgender genuinely transgender or genuinely wanting, wanting wanting, you're a woman wanting to woman doesn't seem to to be a woman doesn't seem to actually be the only reason anymore. >> i mean, w path, which is >> yes. i mean, w path, which is the body set up to actually the a body set up to actually guide hospitals scientific or guide hospitals on scientific or hospital health care advice when

it comes to trans people. they've been in hot water this week because leaked emails actually said that a 16 year old girl developed liver cancer, and there was a real fear that actually that's down to the hormones that she was taking. do you actually worry? i know you mentioned about the binary mentioned there about the binary of two debates, which is one of the two debates, which is one about protecting children or whoever else and one about, well, you're killing people by not allowing them to transition. how do the balance right how do we get the balance right when it's young people who are being placed onto hormone therapies that we know precious little actually could little about and actually could be putting their health long terme at risk? how do we terme health at risk? how do we actually weigh up those two things? >> well , i things? >> well, i think it goes back to what i said about environments, young are stuck in one young people are stuck in one way another in a matrix of way or another in a matrix of their parents making. they're in a stuck they are not able to a stuck in. they are not able to change it's change their environment. it's just is. so if you can't just how it is. so if you can't change your environment, you have idea if you are the have no idea if you are the problem is within you or the problem is within you or the problem is within you or the problem is out there. and that's what i think , that's why i think

what i think, that's why i think allowing treatment for people under the age of 18 is dicey at best. >> yeah. and then just finally. >> yeah. and then just finally. >> yeah, i mean, you know, it has such a consequence on the people around you. you know, how did your parents feel about this? because that's one of the things you often hear when someone comes out to their parents, they really struggle to get their head around it. you came out and they realised it was wrong, you know, what did your or your mum or your your dad or your mum or your relatives say? well, everyone was but kind relatives say? well, everyone wa speaks but kind relatives say? well, everyone wa speaks to but kind relatives say? well, everyone wa speaks to i but kind relatives say? well, everyone waspeaks to i was kind relatives say? well, everyone waspeaks to i was saying of speaks to what i was saying about, know, the problem about, you know, the problem with is and i believe one with this is and i believe one of reasons why it is so of the reasons why it is so toxic is on the kind of transgender activist side, there is a looming spectre of the fact that incentives that the incentives that the transgender for transgender activists have for better worse, aligned better or worse, are aligned with pharmaceutical with what pharmaceutical companies want. >> it's very >> and i think it's very convenient have a product convenient to have a product that be criticised. yeah. that cannot be criticised. yeah. >> family that they're >> so your family that they're happy to happy that you've managed to come this, they come through this, that they were of that. were supportive of that. >> and basically that led >> yeah. and basically that led me of they were me to kind of they were supportive and lovely. and that's what i kind of said in

the article i think they were the article is i think they were supportive to almost fault. supportive to almost a fault. and know, because and that's, you know, because the even sitting the implication of even sitting down talking about this down and talking about this reasonably is you're going to be cancelled, your life is going to be ruined. and i think that maybe we need to realise that there's a lot of people who are coming this, from place coming from this, from a place of fear. they're coming from this not understanding this place of not understanding what's happening family what's happening to their family members, not understanding what's to people what's happening to people around and rather than around them, and rather than meeting with anger meeting these people with anger and should and vitriol, we should maybe realise scared. realise that people are scared. >> would very briefly, >> what would just very briefly, if would your if you would, what would your message young people message be to, to young people who that they are going who do feel that they are going through this, who are experiencing of gender experiencing some form of gender dysphoria? you say to dysphoria? what would you say to them? think because generally them? i think because generally speaking, you older, speaking, as you get older, stuff on outside stuff that's on the outside matters less and less, and it's i can't help but feeling if i transitioned when i was first feeling about it at 16, i'd be in the exact same position i am now, for with a different body. >> don't actually. i think as >> i don't actually. i think as you get these things you get older these things become important and become less important and i think something that

think that's something that people should think about. people maybe should think about. but very, hard when but it's very, very hard when you're moment and you you're in the moment and you have stick have this carrot on the stick and think this is going to and you think this is going to solve problem. other solve my problem. the other thing to think about is thing maybe to think about is when have gone all when you have gone through all this surgery, what happens then? who as person? what do who are you as a person? what do you is it that's that's not you do? is it that's that's not that's beginning. that's not that's a beginning. that's not an . so if you spend all of an end. so if you spend all of your teenage years thinking about how you're going to get there, getting surgery, getting hormones, left? hormones, what's actually left? >> sasha, >> yeah. all right. well, sasha, that powerfully that was very powerfully put. thank you very much for coming in telling us about your in and telling us about your journey. stuff. journey. fascinating stuff. thank benjamin. thank you. benjamin. still to come to try come tonight we're going to try to work out who among us is the liar and who is telling the truth. that'll hard one to truth. that'll be a hard one to decipher, i'll tell that. decipher, i'll tell you that. but coming up next, we'll be going to 1. meghan markle going 1 to 1. meghan markle says, lost humanity. says, we've lost our humanity. is i'm going head to is she right? i'm going head to head with my mate albie head with my old mate albie amankona, i'm going to take amankona, and i'm going to take him you're with him to the cleaners. you're with the live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five, as always. cheers. very much for your emails about tonight's topics. jamie lucas has stern words for ben and says i'm deeply disappointed in ben leo and his abuse towards india. willoughby tonight. india has said nothing to slash about ben, and yet he insisted on misgendering her multiple times in this one segment. yeah, jamie , i think you need to do some research on india willoughby's behaviour online. >> i'll send it to you personally if you want. i'll send you lots of screenshots. the email ends. >> it costs nothing to be kind. how terrible. trevor says i'm a pensioner. i would go to rwanda tomorrow as they would look after me lot better than here. after me a lot better than here. well, don't because well, don't say that because you've made them a very happy man , right? forget anthony man, right? forget anthony joshua against tyson fury, the

time has come for the heavyweight debate everyone wants to see. i've been putting on the pounds. it's going to be me against albie. on the topic of meghan markle , who says of meghan markle, who says people have forgotten our humanity in certain parts of the media and digital sphere, have we really? it's time to go 1 to 1, and then the other three can decide who got the better of things. first of all, though, we're going to have a listen to morning mega self. >> the bulk of the bullying and abuse that i was experiencing in social media and online was when i was pregnant with archie, and with lily, and with a newborn, with lily, and with a newborn, with each of them, and you just think about that, and you , it's think about that, and you, it's really wrap your head around why people would be so , so hateful. people would be so, so hateful. it's not catty, it's cruel. >> all right, i'll be. i know i'm going to win this one, hands down. so i'm going to let you kick her off. >> win this one. hands down. darren, what a load of nonsense .

darren, what a load of nonsense. i think the duchess of sussex meghan was absolutely right in this. people have completely lost their minds with the discourse online. you should listen to some of the things that i get called just for having a point of view. being the temerity to come on television, being told to leave the they're not really the country. they're not really british being f—word british being called the f—word because gay people online. because i'm gay people online. it's become an absolute sewer . it's become an absolute sewer. and i think the trolls that go after people like meghan markle, markle, the trolls that go after people like you darren online, the trolls that go after female mps on both sides of the house have lost their humanity. they've completely forgotten that there are actually real people on the other side of the screen, and real people have real feelings. and i think it's absolutely right to say that those trolls online that cause so much nuisance have lost their humanity . they wouldn't do it in humanity. they wouldn't do it in real life. >> well, look, what i would say to that is i think actually it's enabled cowardice in the sense of someone sat behind a keyboard in basement, in their mother's basement, thinks they feel thinks that actually they feel

emboldened able to send emboldened to be able to send someone abuse. but someone a string of abuse. but that's not changed, right? throughout we have throughout humanity, we have been awful to each other. it's part of life. some people in life are awful. that's just the way go. but i tell you way things go. but i tell you who else is awful meghan markle. oh who else is awful meghan markle. on during the last few days of the queen's life, the last few years of the queen's life, and of course, the late duke of edinburgh, prince philip, actually they she made their lives hell so she cannot lecture us about a lack of humanity. >> what's that got to do that? what's that got to do with in the final game of their lives, when she was pregnant and a new mum? >> you've got to take irrelevant. no it's not. you're saying. >> you're saying because you're saying because she did things wrong. opinion, she wrong. in your opinion, she deserves the abuse she got when she was pregnant mother. >> saying saying that >> i'm saying i'm saying that she not someone that i want she is not someone that i want to listen to. on having a lack of when in the of humanity when she, in the twilight years of elderly , sick, twilight years of elderly, sick, elderly people's lives, she decided that actually she was

more important. >> that, in your opinion, means she deserves all the abuse and hatred did. >> i won't say that. well, that's a ridiculous thing to say. no, you're actually being a child. you're not asking. i did not answering the question. yes, because i'm trying a stupid because i'm trying a very stupid answer because i'm trying a very stupid ansthen just it up for us. >> then just clear it up for us. is that what you think she does not abuse, but does she not deserve abuse, but does she warrant it? >> she bring it about >> does she bring it about because of the that she has because of the fact that she has been completely beastly in the past, and a self—centred narcissist absolutely warranted. >> about her, >> bring it about deserve her, don't they? >> mean the thing? >> all mean the same thing? >> all mean the same thing? >> you a right in any free >> you have a right in any free and democratic society, to actually criticise who actually criticise someone who has platform and has a public platform and actually has taken the mickey out your own i think out of your own nation. i think that's absolutely fine. have we lost humanity taking the lost our humanity for taking the mick out of someone who has taken the mick out of our entire country, who still swans about with royal she even with a royal title? she even updated her royal crest to enable people around the world to assume that she is still tight. so the way, the way that she she can mark that she's behaved , she is a vile behaved

behaved, she is a vile behaved and she is someone that i would not listen to about humanity losing its dignity. >> well, she has no dignity. >> well, she has no dignity. >> but you've been talking for a while, so please do just, you know, put a sock in it for a bit, okay? darren do you think the way that meghan markle has behaved warrants the abuse that she gets? i have literally just answered that question. >> so yes, i have literally just answered that question. we have literally through this. >> so yes, so she deserves no new material. >> you're like meghan markle. she has she sees me. >> she gets you know darren, you haven't to someone who haven't been able to someone who has lot of abuse has got a lot of abuse themselves. would you themselves. i would think you would have of a heart than would have more of a heart than to say someone deserves the level of abuse that a woman like meghan markle gets. i don't think you deserve markle. think you deserve meghan markle. shut up a second. i don't shut up for a second. i don't think you deserve abuse you think you deserve the abuse you get, even though some of the things you say i think are absolutely reprehensible. i would deserve the would never say you deserve the abuse that you get, and that's why i think it's disgusting that

you would say that meghan markle's behaviour warrants the abuse she gets. >> you know, when i get abuse online, i say, right, well, i have a public platform. i give my opinion and i expect an opinion about me back. i actually think that that is part of any free and democratic society . i wouldn't want to lose society. i wouldn't want to lose that. meghan markle says an awful lot of things, a lot of things that i disagree with as vehemently as you disagree with me. a right to me. and i have a right to criticise her for that. i have a right to think that she is a self—centred narcissist and to call her so. and i don't think there is anything wrong or a lack of my human dignity in actually saying so. >> but i think there's a difference between politely making an argument like we are, and i'm sorry for telling you to shut up. that wasn't polite of me, but think there is a me, but i think there is a difference between politely having debate being having a debate and being abusive live, and i think it's perfectly reasonable to criticise and be critical of meghan markle. i've been very critical of her before. even though i like her. she's very

annoying. i think the way that she behaved in some ways has been wrong. but then equally, i think that the way the royal family has behaved in some situations has been wrong. does that think the royal that mean i think the royal family warrant family or meghan markle warrant or no. does that or deserve abuse? no. does that mean i you deserve abuse mean i think you deserve abuse just because disagree with just because i disagree with you? my point. you? no. that's my point. >> right. we'll take this >> all right. we'll take this out panel. now then who out to the panel. now then who wants first with an wants to go first with an opinion that? go first. opinion on that? i'll go first. >> been covering meghan >> i've been covering meghan markle for many, many years when i sun newspaper. et i was at the sun newspaper. et cetera. cetera. i agree with cetera. et cetera. i agree with you, that someone who you, darren, that someone who has her father so has treated her father so reprehensibly, professes reprehensibly, who has professes to and have compassion to be humane and have compassion and else she doesn't and whatever else she doesn't display one ounce of that. however, i think the level of discourse and the toxicity on social media that is aimed at people like meghan markle, even yourself, even me, everyone , yourself, even me, everyone, everyone it is disgusting. everyone gets it is disgusting. people do it. face to people wouldn't do it. face to face. they do it online because they're cowards and it's mostly behind accounts. i behind troll accounts. so i think i'll be one that chris skudder. >> well, i would like to politely say that i think meghan

markle looked like she was having time of life having the time of her life there mean, who there complaining. i mean, who would if she have would she be if she didn't have all this complain about? she all this to complain about? she loves little micro smiles. loves it. little micro smiles. she good luck to she was glowing. good luck to her. she was glowing. good luck to hen does she was glowing. good luck to her. does it? her. but does it? >> but does she deserve abuse? >> but does she deserve abuse? >> well, i just think. i think she takes the abuse she she takes the abuse and she spins it into a career, doesn't she? so i think she'd lost she? so i think she'd be lost without debate then i'll >> so on that debate then i'll be you side more with albee. >> well, no, i think i side with you. >> i just i've got very little empathy with her. >> yeah, well, i imagine benjamin, did you see here we go then. >> walk butterworth. >> walk butterworth. >> well, look, you know, earlier cressida said to me that you should careful about the should be careful about the opinions that you say should be criminal, you might opinions that you say should be crinsomething you might opinions that you say should be crin something that you might opinions that you say should be crin something that you back �*il opinions that you say should be crin something that you back to say something that comes back to cause and i think cause an issue. and i think that's pertinent in this debate because you should careful because you should be careful about abuse tolerate, about the abuse you tolerate, because that same person might come around and decide that come back around and decide that it's justified to abuse you. and so i think on that basis, albee makes the more reasonable comment. i'd caveat it with it. i think, actually, meghan markle is example for this is a terrible example for this argument in sense that she

argument in the sense that she seems to thrive on the attention she has so much money and privilege and distance from real life that i would wonder how much it affects someone like that. you know, she's not on twitter, she's not on instagram . twitter, she's not on instagram. >> she left those apps, i bet. i bet she is on those platforms under under fake accounts. >> sussex back on instagram. >> i won't be following. prince harry's known to do that to search his name on twitter. >> so are saying cressida is >> so are you saying cressida is a hypocrite for she said a hypocrite for what she said earlier saying now? >> yes, i think m- >> yes, i think probably there is hypocrisy between those is a hypocrisy between those things, i side with albee, things, but i side with albee, right? >> f w- f to let cressida come >> we need to let cressida come back to that. >> we need to let cressida come baci to that. >> we need to let cressida come baci don'tat. >> we need to let cressida come baci don't know, i don't think >> i don't know, i don't think it's i'm not being i'm not being a hypocrite. always right, a hypocrite. i'm always right, she's meghan markle. she's like meghan markle. >> very like >> well, yeah, very much like meghan but don't do as meghan markle. but i don't do as much to, to earn my online abuse. and i have a lot less than her. >> and actually, i think, you know, a little know, anybody that has a little pubuc know, anybody that has a little public profile, mine is very small, it's i, i small, but it's there. i, i think know, the abuse small, but it's there. i, i th unacceptable,;now, the abuse small, but it's there. i, i th unacceptable, but', the abuse small, but it's there. i, i th unacceptable, but youe abuse small, but it's there. i, i th unacceptable, but you have ;e small, but it's there. i, i th unacceptable, but you have to is unacceptable, but you have to laugh the other, the

laugh at it. the other, the other week we were discussing weight, we to do a weight, which we seem to do a lot. and there's a big debate in the youtube comments about whether someone whether i was fat and someone went, porky, but went, i'd call him porky, but not and then someone else not fat. and then someone else said, have you noticed he always wears black slimmer, so wears black to look slimmer, so you the lighter side. >> but do you think on a on a broader point, there is there is a problem with meghan markle herself being the mouthpiece for kinder, a kinder, gentler, well, she's a big, fat hypocrite. >> absolutely. a she's >> absolutely. she's a she's a flaming hypocrite, so flaming hypocrite, as i said. so you albion you do divert from albion a certain then. yeah. but certain respect then. yeah. but that doesn't deserve the toxic abuse that she, that she's had. she's a massive hypocrite. she doesn't know a thing about compassion . she compassion or humanity. if she did, she'd call her dying father and look, forgive you, and say, look, i forgive you, dad. know, let's dad. let's, you know, let's patch up and never mind patch things up and never mind her. >> dad. her. » dad. her. >> dad. about her majesty, >> dad. what about her majesty, our queen and well, our late queen and the. well, i could all night and could sit here all night and prove lying, narcissist prove what a lying, narcissist hypocrite meghan is. hypocrite meghan markle is. >> don't it >> however, i don't think it deserves toxic online abuse. i had interesting debate with had an interesting debate with eamonn this channel eamonn keltner on this channel yesterday, and following that she, the most she, amy, received the most disgusting online abuse and i don't think anyone deserves it.

and if being part on the other side of that abuse is because i'm on someone's team or i'm, you know, part of their tribal camp, i don't want to be part of your tribe. i never asked to be part of it anyway. and i don't be of any toxic polluting be part of any toxic polluting our politics well, because our politics as well, because there that most of there are people that most of there are people that most of the time are really quite ordinary. >> w- ordinary. >> from exceptional >> they're not from exceptional backgrounds, they are being >> they're not from exceptional baciofftunds, they are being >> they're not from exceptional bacioff being they are being >> they're not from exceptional bacioff being in they are being >> they're not from exceptional bacioff being in parliament,eing put off being in parliament, making of the making laws on behalf of the rest the democratic rest of us, the democratic process, a of them, process, a lot of them, especially women, don't to especially women, don't want to be of it because of the be a part of it because of the abuse. whereas, know, 20 abuse. whereas, you know, 20 years that wasn't a years ago that wasn't a situation that they were facing. >> into because >> go into politics because they're worried they're going to end meghan markle. end up like meghan markle. >> they >> yeah, but they worry. they don't worry. they it don't need to worry. they see it every that get a level every day that they get a level of abuse for things that aren't justified exaggerated. level justified and exaggerated. level of abuse. and it's not okay. >> deciding what's >> who's deciding what's appropriate. you know, you have to let be a free for to sort of let it be a free for all. >> and cressida, i think as well, this leads to arguments like those in favour of the like those made in favour of the online bill, which is online safety bill, which is

going preclude going to clamp down and preclude someone able to say someone from being able to say things rather know what somebody's come at me . well, so somebody's come at me. well, so would i. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> if you're a complete bottom, i want to know you're a complete bottom, so to speak, actually. well well , well, by the way, well well, well, by the way, condemning online abuse isn't the same as condemning online abuse isn't the same as supporting the online safety bill. >> i condemn all online abuse . i >> i condemn all online abuse. i think it's cowardly. but i back everyone i. >> i back everyone's right to say it, use it as an excuse to call for bans. >> yeah. and i do think that you should be banned from anonymous profiles. i don't think that should routinely be allowed because there's the same reason. we all know that the way that people behave on twitter x, whatever you want to call it, is just not what they do in the pub, because in the pub, you know they are, they know where you i think if twitter had you live. i think if twitter had that, you wouldn't get the abuse. >> all right. well, if you were in a pub, i imagine a few of our viewers would come up and give

you a piece of their mind. yeah. >> can i just very quickly say people really gb people are always really nice gb news that's quite news viewers. well, that's quite remarkable, news viewers. well, that's quite ren everyone do we think got >> everyone who do we think got the better of that at home? emailing gb views gb news. com still ahead in five, still ahead in bunch of five, we're discussing we're going to be discussing pro—palestine activists attacking at the attacking a painting at the university and the university of cambridge and the outdoor clothing retailer the nonh outdoor clothing retailer the north to going north face seems to be going even up, though, even more woke. next up, though, it's truths one benjamin it's two truths one lie benjamin cressida all cressida and ben have all spotted good stories this week, but the truth tellers but who are the truth tellers and who is telling fibs? you're with the saturday five live on .

gb news. >> on mark dolan tonight. in my big opinion , i'll be dealing big opinion, i'll be dealing with outdoor company the north face. who wants a brainwash? their customers with divisive ideas about race. remember the good old days when businesses just wanted to sell you stuff ? just wanted to sell you stuff? plus, in my take at ten, meghan

markle is looking to revive her brand in the uk. good luck with that. plus show biz legend christopher biggins, mark meets my and tomorrow's my top pundits and tomorrow's papers. live at nine. papers. we're live at nine. >> welcome back to the saturday five. i'm loving all of your emails as ever, except for this one. maybe ann says well done, i'll be and pet specks rovers, i'm telling you, just support and meghan markle gb news are obsessed with her are well , obsessed with her are well, these next ones are more like it. morris says. i'll be out of order in polite air and well, isn't that somewhat a telling? i'll be shatara . and this from i'll be shatara. and this from elaine. hi darren, i think you are absolutely right. elaine with peaked. she says absolutely right in your assessment. she is controlling and full of her own

self—importance. i do you know what, elaine? i think that's enough about benjamin butterworth. i was going to say, is that albee or meghan? >> but. >> but. >> well, the turn my email around nice and quickly. excellent work. right? three of us are going to present a story which caught our eye this which has caught our eye this week. or has it actually because one of them is going to be a lie. these two of these stories are 100% true, but one of them is 100% made up. so we're all going to believe sort of pound shop sherlock holmes right now. and after we've grilled this dodgy trio, you can tweet in or email in and tell us who you think is telling the truth. but let's hear from these upstanding members of the community. first up, we've got benjamin. oh, here you go. >> okay, so i realise some viewers would think that i might have been lying for the whole hour and a half that we've been on air, but this is an extraordinary story. so saudi arabia has named this the year of the camel. you know , like of the camel. you know, like china has. i don't know what

china has. i don't know what china has, but it's the year of the camel in saudi arabia. and they have the most beautiful camel contest, which is huge. it's like saudi x factor. they go mad for it. they've got a little sort of sheik cowl character. and finally they've actually had a problem with this . okay. because image matters matters a lot. and they've been in trouble because lots of the camels were getting so much cosmetic surgery that they had to be kicked out of the beautiful camel contest. so they've a hump . it's true. they've got a hump. it's true. >> did you you recently went to saudi arabia, didn't you? >> i did. >> i did. >> is this where you saw the camel contest? >> i did eat camel while i was there. i don't know, i don't know how ugly the camel was, to end up eating, but yeah, it's a huge thing. they're both taxing the camels. >> where did you find out about this on your travels, i'll try and give a down to earth answer, but the truth is, my driver told me length about the beautiful me at length about the beautiful camels. later, camels. and then moments later, i saw some dead camels, and i thought, god, how ugly they must

have been. >> right? then, who is it? >> well it's me. okay, so wetherspoon is popular pub chain wetherspoons. they've decided to dedicate tuesday dedicate the first tuesday of every to male only every month to a male only space, so basically only men can go wetherspoons. a bunch go to wetherspoons. what a bunch of on a tuesday! but it's of bigots on a tuesday! but it's only once month and obviously only once a month and obviously this i'm not surprised this this is. i'm not surprised this has happened because has happened now because yesterday international yesterday was international women's day again. what can they still i think the idea still want, so i think the idea is it's basically promoting men's mental health. obviously it's a big movement behind this at the moment. the idea is that men turn up and speak men can turn up and speak without women interfering. and i think of a response to think it's kind of a response to kelly j. keane's let women speak movement, yeah, movement, you know? so yeah, that's they're doing at that's what they're doing at wetherspoon. yeah. >> for men >> highlighting the need for men only actually only spaces actually wetherspoons is one of a very vital resource for particularly older gentlemen who are maybe lonely. >> they gather and they, you know, drinks together. know, share drinks together. >> when heard it, >> and when i heard it, i thought, do they need to tell women not to go? i don't think there's many women a tuesday there's many women on a tuesday in you in wetherspoons, but there you go. right. go. that's all right. >> the last but not least

i >> -- >> okay. right. so, scientists have discovered humpback whales, male humpback whales mating with each other for the first time. so they're gay, the actually, it's the first time scientists have ever seen any humpback whales mating at all, whether it's male or female . so gay it's male or female. so gay humpback whales are the first ever to have sex with each other, it was the 13 minute romp off a island in hawaii, and it happenedin off a island in hawaii, and it happened in 2022, but it's only been, announced now in a journal called the marine mammal science journal. and actually, mating between humpback whales has been so rare and it's actually never happened , and even sightings of happened, and even sightings of humpback whales, let's call it there member, which can measure up to ten foot long each. they are particularly rare sightings as well. so, yeah, that's it . as well. so, yeah, that's it. humpback whales have been, discovered getting jiggy with it for the first time. >> it happens to be two males,

and it says popular among bottlenose dolphins. >> sorry. yeah. so, gay mating is popular amongst, bottlenose dolphins. yes gosh. >> being having a whale of a time, humpback whales humping. >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> right. okay, so who has a question for one of these three miscreants then ? miscreants then? >> i've got a question for benjamin butterworth , so how how benjamin butterworth, so how how many camels were involved in this competition, thousands. thousands of camels. i mean, look, if you're in saudi, you've got a camel, right? how else you know , obviously, and this is why know, obviously, and this is why it's such a big deal to have the most beautiful camels. because it's like we have crufts. they have gameloft's . have gameloft's. >> this sounds more like the bath and west showground to me. this is livestock, isn't it? it's not crufts. surely camels can't be as beautiful as. and it's toy poodles. >> it says camels have been banned having cosmetic surgery. so botox. talking >> so botox. we're talking botox. we're talking lip

fillers. you know, this is the kind of thing that camels are into at the moment. >> i think you're lying. >> i think you're lying. >> well, let's say that >> well, let's not say that just yet, question one of the yet, a question for one of the other because they could be other two, because they could be lying, well, i'm actually yours is most believable, to be honest, but, where did you . honest, but, where did you. yeah. cressida's. where did you hear about this? cressida, i saw it in the daily mail. when? today. today. it's in the paper today, i think. i think it's a response to the international women's day. >> yeah, that's true, because he's not read the papers. >> all right. okay, well, i don't know who it is yet, but, men. only knights in spoons. i'm down, anyway, that's enough about me, right? it's almost time for bunch of five, where we'll be discussing pro—palestine activists . we're pro—palestine activists. we're going to after the break. find out about that. don't you hold your horses or your camels? i attacking a painting at the university of cambridge , an university of cambridge, an outdoor clothing retailer. the northeast seems to be going even more. walk you with the saturday five live on .

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always . thank you very five. as always. thank you very much for your emails about tonight's topics . who's the tonight's topics. who's the liar? mike's emailed in after watching two truths. one lie and he says camels are true. benjamin had the camels. whether spoons lie, that was cressida. she likes the spoons and whales. true. that was ben leo talking about ten foot members. now cressida , are you going to tell cressida, are you going to tell us the truth? >> is this the time now? >> is this the time now? >> is this the time now? >> is the time. this is the time to tell you it is. >> absolutely. he's absolutely right . i've >> absolutely. he's absolutely right. i've made it up on the way here. >> but we actually think, >> but do we actually think, though, that spoons allow though, that spoons would allow blokes own night? blokes to have their own night? i think they'd be cancelled. >> i can imagine what martin

>> i can imagine what tim martin choosing thing. choosing that sort of thing. he's anti—woke character. i'm he's an anti—woke character. i'm more shocked that camels get botox. they do not. botox. they they do not. >> the humpback whales are getting on with other . new. >> i did already know benjamin was telling his. i thought i knew i was the liar, but i thought, is it him that sounded so ridiculous? >> did actually, i know these camels have had as much botox as i not a then. i have. well, not a lot then. it's a notorious liar. i have. well, not a lot then. it's a notorious liar . but it's a notorious liar. but actually, i must say, i do have to say we've had a lot of fun. but that story about wetherspoons, just confirm, wetherspoons, just to confirm, is please, is absolutely not true. please, tim do sue, now it's tim martin, do not sue, now it's time for bunch of five with these bunch. well, i would say something else there, but i won't. let's start with my old friends, the activists from palestine action, who have attacked and spray painted a portrait of lord arthur james balfour at trinity college at the university of cambridge, now the university of cambridge, now the group say they attacked the painting because of the balfour declaration, which surprised ben leo, who thought that was

something to do with cricket. benjamin, is this a protest? not too far. i bet they vote labour, come off it. like as if keir starmer is going to be the person they celebrate. a man that's proudly backed israel. look, it is not okay to slash a painting like that. i was actually horrified that this was actually horrified that this was a real you know, historic painting. to do that is completely unacceptable . and completely unacceptable. and actually, you know, the thing on this particular topic , the this particular topic, the israel gaza question, i am really frustrated about the fact that people think these acts of aggression will do anything for the palestinian or the israeli people. they won't. all it does is heighten tensions , as you've is heighten tensions, as you've seen, the abuse that labour politicians have had in particular for the way that labour has supported israel . you labour has supported israel. you know, there was anneliese dodds who's a shadow , chair of the who's a shadow, chair of the labour party or something. i think she's a labour mp. she was sort of followed home without police, security, people chanting , what on earth do you chanting, what on earth do you think she's going to do?

netanyahu doesn't listen to netanyahu doesn't even listen to president biden, the president biden, let alone the chair of opposition uk chair of the opposition uk party. worry is this kind of party. my worry is this kind of thing only going to get worse thing is only going to get worse because i think there was a there a kind of deal that there was a kind of deal that was made that was basically said that if there if the that if there wasn't, if the hostages weren't by hostages weren't released by ramadan, which is coming up, they israel. they would invade israel. >> israeli forces would >> the israeli forces would invade where invade rafah, which is where there 1.5 million gazans there are 1.5 million gazans refugees. if that happens, refugees. and if that happens, the pro—palestinian movement is going to be even more angry . so going to be even more angry. so i suspect if that happens, what i've explained , this is i've just explained, this is only going to get worse. >> and it's also, though, is if balfour had a crystal ball and could have predicted everything that to happen, that would go on to happen, i think it's worse than that. >> i think his position was a lot more nuanced than these guys. going cringe guys. they're going to cringe when history when they read a history book. i mean, they can't undo this, can they? really, really they? they've really, really done number painting. done a number on that painting. absolutely. i think balfour absolutely. but i think balfour had something what was interesting in palestinian rights, it rights, i don't think it was it was and dry because it's was a cut and dry because it's getting simplified now, isn't it? good things. good. bad

things bad. >> well, you know what? >> yeah. well, you know what? there are 22 states that there are 22 arab states that aren't in aren't helping the people in gaza. they protesting them? >> indeed. now clothes >> yes, indeed. now clothes retailers the north are retailers the north face are saying a 20% saying customers can have a 20% discount, they have to discount, but they have to complete racial inclusion complete a racial inclusion course received course first. benjamin received a the hour a 40% discount. the hour long test has questions allyship, test has questions on allyship, biases white privilege. is this biases. white privilege. is this just a cheap rucksack really worth all that effort? chris skudder what do you think? >> well, it didn't put me to sleep. i had the opposite. it made i thought, you made me rage. i thought, you know, all this fashion know, there's all this fashion for everywhere. for offence everywhere. and i thought, well, where my thought, well, that's where my offence mean, it's just it offence is. i mean, it's just it was absolutely ludicrous. >> benjamin, have come >> and benjamin, you have come in dressed head to toe in the northeast to do north face is very expensive. >> really expensive i, i, >> it's a really expensive i, i, i'm going to sound out of touch, but i went skiing recently and bought a of north bought a load of a load of north face and it cost me face clothes, and it cost me a fortune . it's the only reason fortune. it's the only reason i'm still this show is to pay i'm still on this show is to pay for north face, look, i think the that your politics the idea that your politics should qualify price of what should qualify the price of what you're is probably not you're buying is probably not a great just say great idea, but i would just say

that, know, of ethnic that, you know, a lot of ethnic minorities, women tend to minorities, of women tend to earn for all sorts of earn less for all sorts of structural problems, and therefore to find therefore are less able to find themselves position where themselves in a position where they coat. they have £300 for a coat. >> all right. briefly, i'll be i mean, come on. >> , come off it. this is just >> oh, come off it. this is just marketing. we're giving them more by talking more marketing by talking about them. great marketing them. this was a great marketing campaign. got free campaign. they got free advertising in the daily mail on the front page, so gb the front page, and so did gb news. don't we? news. so we all win, don't we? >> right. do we get a free coat? >> right. do we get a free coat? >> well, i didn't i didn't even get 20% off. next up, sophie ellis—bextor criticised get 20% off. next up, sophie elliperforming. criticised get 20% off. next up, sophie elliperforming. i criticised get 20% off. next up, sophie elliperforming. i shouldn't:ised for performing. i shouldn't laugh but performing laugh at this, but performing murder on the dance floor at the bataclan hall in paris, bataclan concert hall in paris, where 90 were killed in a where 90 people were killed in a 2015 terrorist attack, the singer did acknowledge this before performing the song, but nonetheless has been criticised for being tasteless in some quarters, so she was aware of it before she sung it well . before she sung it well. >> oh, she did a little speech to what did she say? she tried to what did she say? she tried to crowbar some space in between her and her song and say, i know a lot of people died here, but

that's not what this is about. let's have some fun. and then she did the song. it was brilliant. it was like ricky gervais couldn't have written it. it was so funny. >> it's partridge isn't it? >> stunning. yeah. and it's great because you feel much great because you feel so much better about stupid things better about the stupid things you life. it's you do in your own life. it's like, at least i didn't do that. >> but you know what? they did invite sophie ellis—bextor to go there. what other hit there. i mean, what other hit was going to sing? that's was she going to sing? that's obviously the song i want one of the only ones really the hits. >> the film >> obviously saltburn. the film has to the and has brought it to the fore and it's absolutely everywhere at the it is bit the minute. i think it is a bit funny. it's sort of gallows humour. yeah, think humour. yeah, yeah, i think i would been disappointed if would have been disappointed if i sophie ellis—bextor i went to a sophie ellis—bextor concert and she didn't sing murder on dance floor, but murder on the dance floor, but i do think where she sang murder on dance floor and the way on the dance floor and the way that she introduced it, i don't think should have addressed think she should have addressed it mentioned it or even mentioned it. >> just it. she's made >> just just do it. she's made the deal of the deal out of it. >> i think you have to, though, because imagine reaction because imagine the reaction if she'd just into it she'd just plunged into it without context, you'd be without any context, you'd be calling cancelled. calling for it to be cancelled. >> members pets at home >> staff members at pets at home

have told that no have been told that having no children is an example of diversity, of privilege diversity, of a privilege of privilege. was privilege. to be fair, it was just one commentator who just the one commentator who said webinar, my said during a webinar, my privilege is that i'm white, privilege is that i'm a white, straight, non—disabled, childless, married, economic stable home owner living in a developed god what a developed country. god what a pig- developed country. god what a pig. but the comment attracted criticism. none the less. >> well, hang on a minute. what's he saying? i don't get it that because he's a white, straight heterosexual, i don't want to list all that again. >> married basically you because he's you. he's child. but child. on he's you. he's child. but child. oh yes . but he's you. he's child. but child. oh yes. but childless you. >> it's a privilege not to have kids. >> yes. apparently >> yes. apparently >> oh, it's just perspective, isn't it? some people enjoy having kids, some people don't. i don't know what he's on about. >> but when you encourage more people to children, in my people to have children, in my opinion do. opinion we'll do. >> birth rate is absolutely >> the birth rate is absolutely plummeting. think everyone, if plummeting. i think everyone, if they should kids they can, should have kids and they can, should have kids and they but they should. i mean, look, but if want kids, fine. if you don't want kids, fine. what's the problem? >> know, i am i'm going to >> you know, i am i'm going to be with you, a be honest with you, a homosexual, and a bombshell at the show, we often the end of the show, we often talk about the pink pound.

that's the money that that gay men that traditionally don't have changing a have kids. it's changing a little now, extra little bit now, all that extra money they have to have a nice house to have nice car, to house to have a nice car, to have a great lifestyle that some gay men have because they don't have definitely have kids. there's definitely privilegearen't have kids. there's definitely privilege aren't that expensive anyway. >> they are quite expensive. >> they are quite expensive. >> feed feed them >> just feed them, feed them wotsits a yoghurt once a wotsits and a yoghurt once a day. and that's all right. that's how get though. that's how they get fed though. >> when talking >> ben. liam, when we're talking about children early on. about fat children early on. >> finally tonight, a >> right. finally tonight, a major for alien fans, as major blow for alien fans, as scientists that despite scientists say that despite several reported sightings of ufos century , ufos over the last century, there's no evidence of aliens or extraterrestrial intelligence whatsoever. where we are alone in this galaxy, folks, and hopes that there might be a species somewhere who agree with benjamin butterworth have been dashed. chris skudder were you hoping e.t. might turn out to be a documentary? >> i'm so sorry. i'm not very interested in space. i mean, i can barely i've never even been to spain. i must be the only engush to spain. i must be the only english person. and i just think there's so much spain is. there's so much planet spain is. >> it's on this planet?

>> is this. it's on this planet? >> is this. it's on this planet? >> yes. i haven't finished >> yes. and i haven't finished this planet yet. >> benjamin. that's the problem. i'll to it just i'll never get to space. it just feels irrelevant to me. >> where's this report from? >> so where's this report from? the us government. they the us government. they they come the us government. they they conle the us government. they they coni read it in the daily >> i read it in the daily express, but i thought it must be absolutely. the be true from. absolutely. the paper of record. >> know. do you know it's >> do you know. do you know it's mathematically almost impossible that in that there's not other life in the universe from us? the universe apart from us? >> would like to think there >> i would like to think there is other life in the universe, because i don't know anyone because i don't know if anyone else gets feeling, but else gets this feeling, but when i thinking about the i start thinking about the universe and how it is, big i start thinking about the uris.erse and how it is, big i start thinking about the uris. i;e and how it is, big i start thinking about the uris. i justtd how it is, big i start thinking about the uris. i just getow it is, big i start thinking about the uris. i just get so it is, big i start thinking about the uris. i just get so freaked, big i start thinking about the uris. i just get so freaked out] it is. i just get so freaked out because i just think god, we're actually so insignificant and it might your dating prospects might help your dating prospects as is that? >> is that? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> what do you think, benjamin? >> what do you think, benjamin? >> it terrifies me to think about the size of the universe, to be honest. you know, when you really get a perspective into just you are, i find just how tiny you are, i find it. it gives me sort of. it gives me the chills. so i. i prefer not to live out there. >> i think it's quite liberating. there's a famous picture called the pale blue dot, is the voyager

dot, which is from the voyager space probe, which is the furthest instrument we've got in space. remember many space. i can't remember how many light away it is, but light years away it is, but there's picture where there's a famous picture where earth just earth is pictured as just a pixel on the picture. and actually, when you think about how we and how how insignificant we are and how lonely and how, you know, lonely we are and how, you know, pretty much the time stupid. pretty much all the time stupid. we a marvel we are bearing a few marvel technologies. of we technologies. it's kind of we all kind of all agree, it's kind of like, have fun. just enjoy it. we'll be soon. don't take things be gone soon. don't take things too seriously. >> that's what a cheery way >> and that's what a cheery way to a saturday night. to give people a saturday night. >> i think it's i think it's a happy, a >> i think it's i think it's a happy, 6 happy >> i think it's i think it's a happy, a happy thing say. happy, a happy thing to say. it's liberating. it must be it's liberating. and it must be nice isn't nice knowing that your ego isn't the biggest in. the biggest thing in. >> got double doors to the >> we've got double doors to the studio because of it, look, i do think it's very unlikely there's not there. think not life out there. i think there is out there. in such there is life out there. in such a scale of a universe. okay, there must be another grand experts are wrong. >> benjamin butterworth, as even >> benjamin butterworth, as ever, right. thanks to ever, is right. thanks to our debut guest the debut guest tonight, the brilliant cressida wetton. we're going to let reviewer roger have the final word. he says. so it's fine for you, overpaid, overexposed, know nothings to

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gb news. >> hello there. coming up on the saturday night showdown. a british man has been jailed for two years for stickers saying things like. it's okay to be white. it's exposing our two tier justice white. it's exposing our two tierjustice system that allows tier justice system that allows anti—israel protesters to scream for genocide while slamming british nationalists for the slightest infraction. his political opinions aren't my cup of tea, but this orwellian decision sets a dangerous precedent for all of us, and poshos for palestine. and the not so surprising revelation that the vandal behind the attack on a painting of lord balfour. balfour was wearing a £1,000 mulberry backpack , a £1,000 mulberry backpack, a luxury handbag to keep her luxury handbag to keep her luxury opinions in, and everyone's favourite beer mascot, dylan mulvaney has