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for headliners. hello and welcome to headliners. >> i'm nik dixon, taking you through tomorrow's top stories for the next hour. with the help of token woman wetton. of token woman cressida wetton. there you go. >> token italian, iranian >> and token italian, iranian former bbc employee nicholas de santo. >> we try and have one of those on every show. >> you're token one today. okay >> i don't think you will find many, many more. no. well, we're trying. yeah. trying. we're good for me. yeah. yeah. to represent yeah. we need to represent people any . how. how people more. any any. how. how are you guys doing? any bands yourself? yeah, great. yourself? yeah, i'm great. i always like this awkward moment and show. we try and and start the show. we try and banter in an unscripted way. okay, i'm doing back to back headliners, so quite pleased with myself. this is your second night in row. it's like night in a row. yeah it's like it's diversity. it's because it's not diversity. it's because you're italian, you're the only italian, iranian, bbc party iranian, former bbc party right wing comedian. spot. wing comedian. the right spot. the take. yeah and the right box to take. yeah and you're still rocking the whole female angle. >> that's my shtick. i'm >> yeah, that's my shtick. i'm female and i'm the token

straight white male. >> so let's have a quick look at sunday's front pages, then the mail on sunday has after five years, britain sends plane mutiny rapists back to somalia with a plush hotel armed guards and therapy. you pay for how very male. the sunday telegraph pm deploys whitehall officials to rwanda as revolt grows , the to rwanda as revolt grows, the sunday express has terror cell sneaksin sunday express has terror cell sneaks in on small boats. the sunday times hunt weighs up. surprise cut in tax for millions. the sunday mirror has staggering £100 100 billion sorry of tory waste . wow. i've sorry of tory waste. wow. i've been all right with £100. the daily star on sunday has raised a glass to the beer belly busting berries. and we'll tackle that big story in a moment. those are the front pages as . so moment. those are the front pages as. so we're going to start with the sunday express. cressida >> okay. huge manhunt underway after six terror suspects sneak into uk on small boats, says security sources reveal how a team of fanatics on a mission

illegally entered the uk. so this is pretty bad, isn't it? the foreign nationals , they've the foreign nationals, they've all apparently got links to islamist groups and they are believed to be backed by terror paymasters . iran. any thoughts? paymasters. iran. any thoughts? nicholas that's really your area, isn't it? >> yeah, i mean, this has the markings of a big spy story, except that the risk is real. apparently a unit of m16 station near damascus had uncovered this plot before the war in gaza actually started . and these are actually started. and these are iranians or supported by the iranians or supported by the iranian government. and let's not forget that only a few months ago, the chief of m15 warned that tens of plots by the iranian regime in the uk territory had been foiled or discovered again , eight british discovered again, eight british nationals or iranian british nationals, dual nationals , nationals, dual nationals, right. very comprehensive. yeah . right. very comprehensive. yeah. there was a funny moment there where it came out with comedian. i was thinking this is the most serious story and nicholas is like an expert on but we

like an expert on it. but we also have somehow do comedy. also have to somehow do comedy. the comedic thing i've the only comedic thing i've found that farage is on found is that nigel farage is on the in the front and he's in the jungle, he's there to jungle, so he's not there to stop boats, is stop the boats, which is normally what he does, right? if there's normally what he does, right? if the very unimpressed, >> very unimpressed, though. >> very unimpressed, though. >> yeah, yeah. he's got some sort on. poor old sort of goggles on. poor old nigel. it nigel. he's going to smash it though, isn't he? you been though, isn't he? have you been watching it started? though, isn't he? have you been waththink it started? though, isn't he? have you been waththink it it started? though, isn't he? have you been waththink it startedtarted? though, isn't he? have you been waththink it started tomorrow. >> i think it started tomorrow. >> i think it started tomorrow. >> i'm hearing it's tomorrow. i'm touched. i'm sorry. i've touched. i'm sure to win, though. sure he's going to win, though. i'd watched lately. never i'd never watched lately. never watched it. >> so, know, he's doing it >> so, you know, he's doing it because young because he wants young people who work to who who don't watch his work to tune yeah, but actually, tune in. yeah, but actually, what's like tune in. yeah, but actually, wha and like tune in. yeah, but actually, wha and me like tune in. yeah, but actually, wha and me is like tune in. yeah, but actually, wha and me is ant like tune in. yeah, but actually, wha and me is ant and like tune in. yeah, but actually, wha and me is ant and dec; you and me is that ant and dec are suddenly going to our are suddenly going to get our attention. right, attention. ian right, that's nice. >> actually e-l e actually >> i'm actually going to see far less because won't less nigel because he won't be on he'll be on some on here and he'll be on some jungle anyway. all right, jungle show anyway. all right, well, think we've probably well, i think we've probably nailed that even we nailed that one, even though we only the actual only talked about the actual story have story a bit. should we have a look telegraph? look at the sunday telegraph? nicholas quite few nicholas sure. quite a few interesting again, we interesting stories. again, we have a big picture of nigel farage, potentially you have a big picture of nigel farage getting:ially you have a big picture of nigel faragegetting in ly you have a big picture of nigel faragegetting in shape you have a big picture of nigel faragegetting in shape for that know, getting in shape for that speculated return to british politics. we politics. then on top left we have deploys whitehall have pm deploys whitehall officials . revolt officials to rwanda. as revolt grows, the tory revolt again

connected to this story. we were just discussing. so this boat situation illegal situation and illegal immigration not just immigration has not just cultural city and social cultural idents city and social economic impacts, but also security be consequences . but security be consequences. but the stories we have been discussing, we've picked to discuss. the first one is khan misled the public over ulez benefits , essentially assay benefits, essentially assay advertising standards agency is going after khan in a secret lee in a secret report that has been somehow leaked or given to the telegraph. >> so he's technically wrong how. >> now. >> yeah, not just i mean morally, because this is a hideous tax against the working class people. let's face it. because people who can afford very expensive, you know, green cars wouldn't be bothered by, by, by, by such taxes. essentially the, the white van man, you know , the working class man, you know, the working class man, you know, the working class man who has to get about, you know, from places to places around london making a living. they will be impacted . and now

they will be impacted. and now advertising standards agencies going after him. there is another interesting story. can i just say something about that quickly? i mean, we heard this story while ago when it story a while ago when it was breaking because launched breaking because they launched the investigation. now it's going published. it's like going to be published. it's like an how much more? an update. but how much more? what because is already as khan? because ulez is already as unpopular as can be. you've khan? because ulez is already as unppeople as can be. you've khan? because ulez is already as unppeople literally be. you've khan? because ulez is already as unppeople literally tearing 've got people literally tearing down their risk. down cameras at their own risk. so going publish this so they're going to publish this and to do to and what's it going to do to him? i mean, he'sjust and what's it going to do to him? i mean, he's just basically untouchable, isn't he, because he's basically. he's ourjoe biden basically. he's so many ways. he's our biden in so many ways. i mean, he said was going to i mean, he said it was going to reduce levels of nitrogen dioxide, halve levels. dioxide, almost halve levels. some say. it some of the adverts say. but it turned were based turned out they were based on estimates scenarios. turned out they were based on esti the es scenarios. turned out they were based on esti the modelling scenarios. turned out they were based on esti the modelling again,enarios. it's the modelling again, remember modelling. remember the modelling. do you want on this one? >> no. you i'm a huge fan >> no. you know, i'm a huge fan of modelling. i'm not absolute. not. no. i mean just very not. no. i mean it'sjust very satisfying read it now. we've satisfying to read it now. we've well i assume. i think well i say we i assume. i think i'm company to say this. i'm in safe company to say this. we've felt this emotionally we've all felt this emotionally for time and now we can for a long time and now we can now it's official. >> yeah. do have be pro >> yeah. do i have to be pro khan for balance? that's what i'm worried about. need i'm worried about. we need someone someone someone pro as long as someone else you know? else on another show, you know?

oh, it doesn't oh, yeah. throughout it doesn't have to be. yeah, probably have to be. yeah, they probably weren't. pro sadiq weren't. yeah. who is pro sadiq khan point? maybe his khan at this point? maybe his immediate about the immediate family. what about the bucket ? do you want to. do you bucket? do you want to. do you know civil servants? know about civil servants? yes civil been go civil servants have been the go ahead government to ahead by the government to potentially spend as much as two weeks overseas , two weeks per weeks overseas, two weeks per year overseas, working remotely. and that has angered some people . we know civil servants don't have a good reputation. lot of have a good reputation. a lot of people either envious people maybe are either envious or rightfully depending or rightfully angry, depending on your, you know, attitude . i'd on your, you know, attitude. i'd say as long as because i'm i'm the son of a civil servant, i have been a civil servant at some point, as long as they do work and let's not forget about the as long as they do get any work done and then the other thing is, a lot of them at least their union is arguing, have connections overseas, family overseas with these exorbitant and electricity and energy bills . if you can afford to go to southern europe, for example, and work from there, you actually save a lot. also on bills, they're doing the

taxpayer a favour. >> in the end in a way. >> in the end in a way. >> in the end in a way. >> i mean, productivity can be with your kids and do you think they can do the same amount of work beach? mean, it's work from a beach? i mean, it's already it's already too little , already it's already too little, you know, amount of work to be. it's not, it's not it's not difficult. my issue with civil servants is when people vote for brexit or want illegal immigrants deported row immigrants deported and they row against home office, against against the home office, against the secretary, that's my the home secretary, that's my issue with them. >> so you angry or >> right. so were you angry or envious of your parents, given that those are the two? envious of your parents, given tha i'm)se are the two? envious of your parents, given tha i'm very re the two? envious of your parents, given tha i'm very envious two? envious of your parents, given tha i'm very envious of two? envious of your parents, given tha i'm very envious of my? >> i'm very envious of my parents who in an era when parents who lived in an era when you could have just one salary, and i'm and that's true. yeah, i'm disturbed the disturbed by some of the findings from the civil service. there good dominic there are good ones. dominic cummings long cummings has just done a long podcast there podcast interview saying there are but they are really good ones, but they tend leave quite tend to leave quite young because there's just not the they anything getting they don't see anything getting done and they just done of any value and they just see bureaucracy so leave see a bureaucracy so they leave and sort of old duffers, as and it's sort of old duffers, as he called them. and then the other was that steve other thing was that steve egginton from the home egginton report from the home office said office where he said this whistleblower office whistleblower in the home office said, don't said, yeah, we don't do anything. ourselves anything. we give ourselves diversity awards we and diversity awards and we try and scupper plans.

scupper suella braverman plans. that's good day. so that's basically a good day. so yeah, suspicious of civil yeah, a bit suspicious of civil servants off to the beach servants going off to the beach for weeks a year. for a couple of weeks a year. but about the sunday times? but what about the sunday times? questioner okay, they're questioner okay, so they're leading with hunt weighs up surprise millions i >> -- >> but they've got another story that we were interested in. thousands migrants may get thousands of migrants may get amnesty. home office amnesty. so home office ministers are considering granting an effective amnesty to migrants who arrived in britain illegally and have been left in limbo, facing the prospect of deportation to rwanda. so it's like they've just thrown their hands up and gone. do you know what this bit of a dog's what this is? a bit of a dog's breakfast. we'll start breakfast. look, we'll start tomorrow. start. anybody tomorrow. we'll start. anybody that in that's that got in already, that's fine. a mad, isn't fine. which is a bit mad, isn't it? yeah >> they're worried, nicholas, about legal challenge >> they're worried, nicholas, abo un legal challenge >> they're worried, nicholas, abo un conventionallenge >> they're worried, nicholas, abo un convention ofznge >> they're worried, nicholas, abo un convention of refugees or the un convention of refugees or whatever some un whatever it's called. some un thing can anything in thing. can we do anything in this country ever ? i don't know . this country ever? i don't know. australia did a good job. i don't know if they couldn't be bound by the european human rights convention. right. obviously they use their navy, they send people to papua new guinea and some other island

nations. i don't think much better than rwanda in terms of human rights concerns , as you human rights concerns, as you know. they managed to do that know. so they managed to do that thing. but the numbers are so big that we are bound to find ourselves a situation like ourselves in a situation like the us you have so many the us when you have so many people been for people who have been here for such time , then they can such a long time, then they can claim they've developed claim that they've developed some have some mental illnesses they have had. got married had. they've got married potentially, know , go potentially, you know, go together quite often. pardon me , together quite often. pardon me, those two go together quite often. got married, often. they've got married, they've developed depression. exactly so don't say that. >> wife might watching. >> your wife might be watching. >> your wife might be watching. >> i mean. >> i mean. >> no, no, it's too late for she. she has two young kids, so she. she has two young kids, so she has two young kids. right now. i mean, that's why i'm here. it's good to be here. all right . you sound worse right. you sound almost worse than lewis. right. you sound almost worse than leright, nicholas, >> all right, nicholas, what about the daily star? >> got a big story. about the daily star? >> got a big story . oh, >> they've got a big story. oh, that's mine as well. sorry or is it? or. yeah, it is that one to you? it is. i thought this was just so you know, i don't have a beer belly. i don't know why the cheeky producer assigned this to me, but that's basically it's our soft story , if you like , on

our soft story, if you like, on so many levels, because we're talking about beer bellies, obviously. so raise a glass to the beer belly busting berries, no exercise needed to lose three stones. that's what the paper is claiming. apparently there's this berry with almost magical properties that you can just down it and it neutralises your beer belly effect. i mean, it remains to be seen. i don't know. wow i don't want to make any promises all that time wasted on ozempic this is all we needed to know. so glad lewis isn't here to talk about this, but it's i know there's always some new nonsense, it's some new nonsense, and it's always boffins. it's the boffins again star. it's boffins again in the star. it's boffins were as well. i don't were last night as well. i don't trust boffins. they trust these boffins. they just change minds day, change their minds every day, basically, loss comes basically, weight loss comes down be be down to eat less be be be slightly hungry and slightly unhappy. quite bad unhappy. if you feel quite bad and unhappy throughout the day, you're target. that's and you're on target. that's and that's always case. that's always been the case. there's nothing works. there's no nothing else works. >> working with naomi >> it's like working with naomi campbell, in. >> thank you . >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i'll think about that during the is it for part

one. >> but coming up, how bad is rwanda? how expensive is the nhs and how dangerous is i all answered for you in minute

radio. >> welcome . back to headliners. >> welcome. back to headliners. i'm nick dixon, still here with cressida wetton and nicholas de santo, which means nicholas of santo. i've just translated. it is that what means? yeah. is that what it means? yeah. yeah. technically spies yeah. technically he spies on. yeah. technically he spies on. yeah. nailed it. let's do the sun, then. and while we've been debating rwanda debating whether or not rwanda is awful country, no one is an awful country, no one considered the feelings of rwanda crescent. >> right. out of order. >> that's right. out of order. supreme ruling an supreme court ruling is an inqu supreme court ruling is an insult country. rwandan insult to my country. rwandan government blast. and is government blast. and this is written by yolanda moloko, who is a spokeswoman the rwandan is a spokeswoman for the rwandan government. she says that government. and she says that the supreme court's highly political judgement on the migration economic migration and economic development partnership was frankly insulting to my country. and saying that that and she's saying that that they're looking at inappropriate evidence is evidence and that actually is a

safe place for refugees. i think possibly what's safe for one person isn't safe for another person, because if you're there on a sort of legal technicality , on a sort of legal technicality, that that's not the same as saying, is it a nice place to live? could i have lovely prospects there? so . i think prospects there? so. i think she's a bit insulted. and she points to the fact that there's already 1700 libyans who've been relocated there. and she's saying, well, they're doing all right. apparently right. in fact, apparently the care been called care they've had has been called exemplary. , she's exemplary. so she's well, she's yeah, she's insulted about this. >> she had already said this even months ago, obviously, because this drama been because this drama has been going that being going on for so long that being sent should not be sent to rwanda should not be seen as a punishment . i mean, seen as a punishment. i mean, unless you come to britain for benefits, in which it's benefits, in which case it's a huge punishment. but but again, this the hypocrisy of this reveals the hypocrisy of the left and all these human rights, so—called human rights activists , asylum seeker activists, asylum seeker activists, asylum seeker activists and the whole business of lawyers who feed on the legal aid paid to them. and of course, make money on the back of people's desperation. if you're

really afraid for your life. and that's the argument and that's why you're fleeing, obviously, rwanda is not it's not a bad place. apparently it has the highest rate in whole highest growth rate in the whole of africa. but, of africa. right. but, of course, have turned down course, if you have turned down france and italy and other places, obviously you cannot you cannot be happy with rwanda ehhen cannot be happy with rwanda either. yeah, it is quite insulting, isn't it? it's obviously insulting. i mean, lefties don't like us to say anything bad about all of anything bad about all kinds of countries suddenly anything bad about all kinds of countrilallowed suddenly anything bad about all kinds of countrilallowed to suddenly anything bad about all kinds of countrilallowed to just denly anything bad about all kinds of countrilallowed to just say.y they're allowed to just say rwanda awful then people rwanda is awful and then people are going, hey, it's all right. that's been one of the funny aspects of this whole thing. if you once trump talked you remember, once trump talked about the countries you remember, once trump talked abo send the countries you remember, once trump talked abo send asylumle countries you remember, once trump talked abo send asylum seekers. es you remember, once trump talked abo send asylum seekers. don't did send asylum seekers. don't say it. say hellholes. hell, say it. i say hellholes. hell, that's and that's okay. yeah but and then it . was a big, big scandal. it. was a big, big scandal. according to the legacy media. and now you watch these lefties who don't want people to be sent to rwanda, but they can't just why you want them to be why don't you want them to be sent? say because sent? they can't say because it's yeah it's it's hell. yeah because it's a belief in their opinion. i mean, it really me. been it really bothers me. i've been reading dominic cummings twitter, which is always entertaining, and he just did a

long podcast and he has been in government. find very government. so i find it very interesting and he's that interesting and he's saying that they could solve this so easily. he evenin they could solve this so easily. he even in the top he says it's not even in the top 100 most difficult problems to solve. they're and solve. so but they're not. and i'm going to i'm just worried it's going to drag going to an drag on and it's going to be an election issue. really boring. and then rishi stops couple and then rishi stops a couple of boats, right? and we're all supposed him just supposed to vote for him just before election. and then before the election. and then labour get in and they start the boats. them, boats. after we just stop them, they send more boats like, you know, you think, know, what do you think, christopher? to christopher? is it just going to be is it? >> why can't well, don't know >> why can't well, i don't know if any boats are going get if any boats are going to get stopped. have a lovely stopped. we might have a lovely amnesty, as just heard about stopped. we might have a lovely anthelty, as just heard about stopped. we might have a lovely anthe times. just heard about stopped. we might have a lovely anthe times. i just heard about stopped. we might have a lovely anthe times. i don't1eard about stopped. we might have a lovely anthe times. i don't know.about stopped. we might have a lovely anthe times. i don't know. ilout in the times. i don't know. i don't that she's i suppose don't know that she's i suppose she insulted. but it's also she is insulted. but it's also about because about money, isn't it? because it be countries it will be other countries giving money to this scheme in order it to work. so she's order for it to work. so she's making a big song and dance about anybody, making a big song and dance ab0|know, anybody, making a big song and dance ab0|know, we anybody, making a big song and dance ab0|know, we don't anybody, making a big song and dance ab0|know, we don't care ybody, making a big song and dance ab0|know, we don't care who 1, making a big song and dance ab0|know, we don't care who you you know, we don't care who you are background is are and what your background is and you. that's lovely. and good for you. that's lovely. but time, they will but at the same time, they will get cash for having these migrants that it all migrants so that sweetens it all a helps the assimilation. >> that's key. we want >> that's the key. like we want to have a great new life in africa, do need africa, but we do need investment, she does say like,

give money, show me the give us the money, show me the money, well, money, basically. okay. well, let's ai. the nhs let's do the ai. and the nhs does not need increasing does not need ever increasing amounts improve. amounts of money to improve. that's from that's where i differ from the nhs. want the nhs. nicholas i want i want the money. i'm with on but money. i'm with you on that. but you know, this is quite an interesting for first interesting for the first time interesting for the first time in i agree with in a long time, i agree with somebody from labour and this is a obviously, somebody from labour and this is a the obviously, somebody from labour and this is a the toriesbviously, somebody from labour and this is a the tories are usly, somebody from labour and this is a the tories are not, somebody from labour and this is a the tories are not like, somebody from labour and this is a am the tories are not like, somebody from labour and this is a am i?a tories are not like, somebody from labour and this is a am i? the'ies are not like, somebody from labour and this is a am i? the conservatives? , who am i? the conservatives? charlie wall street, charlie sheen in wall street, existential crisis. carry existential crisis. sorry, carry on. my in my defence, on. but in my in my defence, it's my fault or our it's not really my fault or our fault when we have a conservative government which has but has been anything but conservative us to record conservative taxing us to record high levels and then we have a labour to be specific, the shadow health secretary, that's wes wes streeting wes streeting . wes wes streeting wes streeting. thank you. and basically the argument here is that, you know , argument here is that, you know, it takes more than just money to pour into the system. and if the system is a corrupt, corrupt one, is system is a corrupt, corrupt one, is , system is a corrupt, corrupt one, is , is one, if the system is, is broken, if the system is a vortex, there's no point just throwing more cash at it, hoping that it will, you know , just get that it will, you know, just get back on its feet. and i think

it's a very reasonable argument. >> it's very reasonable. but i think we should check in with him again after the him again just after the election see if he still election and see if he still feels same amount feels the same amount of reasonable feels the same amount of reasc agree. feels the same amount of reascagree. that's feels the same amount of reasc agree. that's what feels the same amount of reascagree. that's what was >> i agree. that's what i was going to say. i mean, will laboun going to say. i mean, will labour, he says, oh, rachel reevesis labour, he says, oh, rachel reeves is all fiscally conservative and all this labour are they're are going to get in, they're going of money going to spend a load of money on and they're to going to spend a load of money on we're and they're to going to spend a load of money on we're patchingey're to going to spend a load of money on we're patchingey'rthe to going to spend a load of money on we're patchingey'rthe toryto say we're patching up the tory gaps austerity and all this gaps from austerity and all this because that's what they'll have to is his other to do. i mean, what is his other plan? don't maybe not in plan? i don't maybe it's not in this maybe as a brilliant this piece, maybe as a brilliant it's not actually. yeah. i was waiting plan waiting for any other plan is it's money is it's not just money but what is it's not just money but what is it sort brilliant. does he it sort of brilliant. does he disrupt the industry? >> i'd to send >> got a list. i'd like to send him. about problems him. you know about the problems and things that go wrong. and the things that go wrong. nhs mean, not i nhs culture. i mean, not that i use it that often, but i mean, it's an old fashioned institution, isn't it? wouldn't you just love some of sexy you just love some kind of sexy marketing consultants to in marketing consultants to get in there teach a bit there and maybe teach them a bit about and all about customer service and all that stuff and also that sort of stuff and also educate the population, right? because much because we need to spend so much money everybody's not money because everybody's not eating and i think eating their berries and i think we could do more as a nation to look after.

>> boats are joined in. >> too many boats are joined in. well, just to have a callback to the main story. >> so problems. >> so many problems. >> so many problems. >> do wonder if you can >> yeah, i do wonder if you can finally campaign nhs, on finally campaign on the nhs, on nhs reform, because normally it's loser and only it's an election loser and only labour are allowed to do it because if the tories do it, they're heartless. which is why wes streeting is talking about it. so think people are it. so do you think people are finally actually finally open to actually campaigning of we campaigning on the issue of we need something about nhs? need to do something about nhs? i think has some i think the nhs has found some sort like status or has sort of a god like status or has become the religion of state. you ever since those and you know, ever since those and even but since even before that, but ever since those thursdays . yeah, the pots those thursdays. yeah, the pots and pans. you think it and pans. but don't you think it lost after with the waiting lost that after with the waiting lists totally but the pots >> i totally agree. but the pots and pans is very powerful, isn't it? you get somebody it? because if you get somebody to something in public, to declare something in public, they're likely they're much less likely to go back later so they're back on it later on. so they're very smart there. >> but okay. interesting. all right. let's do the sunday express and pro—palestine protesters have stormed the bullring shopping centre . when bullring shopping centre. when will birmingham cease to occupy their rightful land? cressida c as palestine protesters stormed

shopping centre amid calls to shut city down. >> so yeah, there's been a demonstration. it was monitored by the west midlands police monitored , not policed. the monitored, not policed. the police are monitoring now, but officers could not stop a stream officers could not stop a stream of those involved getting inside the giant mall when they reached the giant mall when they reached the centre of birmingham's second largest city. so and then there was a bit of arguing outside with the security. there was people to go in, was more people wanted to go in, but were stopped the but they were stopped and the march was organised the march was organised by the birmingham action birmingham palestine action group and came shortly after labour mp steve mccabe's office was picketed during a surgery with his constituents that morning and i do feel a bit sorry for mps at this point because it's pretty scary stuff, isn't it? we've had the murder of jo cox and david amess. it's not somebody not impossible that somebody in that be violent that group might be violent towards you. >> and gove surrounded the >> and gove was surrounded the other and gove, by way, other day and gove, by the way, was visited times by the was visited six times by the person killing person that ended up killing sir david amess. so yeah, it's a real thing. it's horrific. but yeah, nicholas, i'm like yeah, i mean, nicholas, i'm like you story, you with the previous story, i find agreeing with keir find myself agreeing with keir starmer on this issue and feel starmer on this issue and i feel all they're

all weird because they're shouting the doesn't vote shouting who the f doesn't vote for ceasefire star. shame on for a ceasefire star. shame on you.so for a ceasefire star. shame on you. so it's the simplest version of the issue and it's become high status opinion become this high status opinion just pro—palestine and just to be pro—palestine and have of just to be pro—palestine and ha'but of just to be pro—palestine and ha'but are of just to be pro—palestine and ha'but are they of just to be pro—palestine and ha'but are they going of just to be pro—palestine and ha'but are they going too of just to be pro—palestine and ha'but are they going too far)f it. but are they going too far because there's so many marches now in so many parts of the country ? i just wonder if country? i just wonder if they're the new stop they're going to be the new stop just oil and people are just stop oil and people are eventually going to get of eventually going to get sick of it. and proper it. it's a true and proper pressure group and pressure group is an understatement because millions because we have millions of people these kind of people with these kind of feelings, don't feelings, which i don't obviously share. but again , it's obviously share. but again, it's the problem is a demographic one. when you bring in millions of people who totally of people who have totally a different and value different worldview and value system , this the result. but system, this is the result. but to go towards the more light hearted aspect of it, if we can call it like that, there are demanding a ceasefire because we demanding a ceasefire because we demand a ceasefire , they say. demand a ceasefire, they say. have they forgotten that britain no longer controls that territory? i mean, who are you to demand a ceasefire? i mean, what even if all these mps had voted for ceasefire, israelis don't want a ceasefire. and

again, to stay on the light—hearted picked a one light—hearted ask picked a one of those memes by babylon bee this this week showed cain after he had killed abel or abel demanding a ceasefire. i mean, wow, who the f doesn't want a ceasefire? yeah. abel or you know, the americans after they got bombed in pearl harbour, attacked in pearl harbour. wouldn't want a ceasefire . wouldn't want a ceasefire. >> yeah, you could argue we just had a ceasefire. how did that go? yeah, very difficult. had a ceasefire. how did that go?all3h, very difficult. had a ceasefire. how did that go?all3h, verthere cult. had a ceasefire. how did that go?all3h, verthere was >> all right. there was a ceasefire until 7th of october, wasn't it? yeah, yeah, yeah , wasn't it? yeah, yeah, yeah, that was. know. all right , that was. i know. all right, well, move on and do the well, let's move on and do the mail on sunday and the ceo of openai fired, though openai has been fired, though hopefully because hopefully not by an ai because that would quite scary. that would be quite scary. nicholas you don't have to buy the buy by the ai. that's exactly the issue . so this is exactly the issue. so this is a fascinating story . sam altman fascinating story. sam altman was fired as boss at chatgpt from openai over the board's fear he wasn't considering safety implications of new tech experts have warned could

destroy the world. so this is quite an interesting story. sam altman was a so—called wunderkind or wunderkind who made a propelled a chatbot into the fame that everybody almost everybody knows it. today it was launched only a year ago, exactly in november 2022, made it a commercial success. it's the talk of the town , a ai the talk of the town, a ai openai obviously initially was only a research. no profit operation. today is very much commercial. at some point he and elon musk were co—ceos . he's in elon musk were co—ceos. he's in the board now . he has had the board now. he has had a fallout with his board because they say, as the title suggests , they say, as the title suggests, that they were a bit worried about the, you know, the pace of this thing. and some of those , this thing. and some of those, you know, end of time armageddon like concerns that, you know, we hear or we sometimes have nightmares about, you know , chat nightmares about, you know, chat gpt or ai taking over the world,

firing us, killing us or whatever. but there are experts who say, look , there are more, who say, look, there are more, you know , not so dramatic you know, not so dramatic concerns that we need to discuss .thus concerns that we need to discuss . thus, for example, openai deceiving consumers by removing and that is something under investigation actually, in information about products or actually plagiarism or things like that, not necessarily end of times concern. >> it seems like quite low level stuff to get fired over though, doesn't . yeah. stuff to get fired over though, doesn't .yeah. no is stuff to get fired over though, doesn't . yeah. no is a bit of doesn't it. yeah. no is a bit of a crazy . a crazy. >> the board has made it clear it was over the it wasn't the plagiarism. no, no, definitely not. this guy sound like a kind of villain in a movie. he was like there were safety concerns. he candid what he he wasn't candid about what he washe was the with a lust >> he was the guy with a lust for power that goes, we will use this to the world. this to destroy the world. >> hearing him in the >> we kept hearing him in the other room doing an evil laugh. you then on other you know. but then on the other hand, band, man. hand, he he built the band, man. like, it's. it's his thing to be your thing. but he went insane like, it's. it's his thing to be your power. but he went insane like, it's. it's his thing to be your power. but he kindt insane with power. what kind of contract have that said,

contract did he have that said, yeah, fire me if i get yeah, you can fire me if i get out hand? well, what out of hand? well, that's what i'm worried about. >> when says here, >> i mean, when it says here, there a blunt assessment there was a blunt assessment they've given this thing, the board longer confidence they've given this thing, the bo its longer confidence they've given this thing, the bo its lon to ' confidence they've given this thing, the bo its lonto continue idence in its ability to continue leading openai that sounds like it's an and it's written by an ai, and that's sticking with that's why i'm sticking with my. he fired an ai that got he was fired by an ai that got out control theory completely out of control theory completely made all the made up, of course, and all the more to be more reason to be to be concerned absolutely. i'm concerned about. absolutely. i'm terrified, quickly, terrified, but very quickly, look one in the metro look at this one in the metro and musk's rocket has and elon musk's new rocket has been annoying when been lost. annoying when that happens, isn't it? >> elon musk's >> so annoying. elon musk's spacex starship rocket. >> so annoying. elon musk's spalengineersstarship rocket. >> so annoying. elon musk's spalengineersstarsit's rocket. but engineers say it's still a success. is like another success. so this is like another titan sub. this is like rich guys playing with posh so guys playing with posh toys. so he's and he's got this rocket and experienced what engineers are calling rapid unschedule called disassembly, which means it fell apart. so this rocket is made of two parts. there's a heavy bit called the super booster or something, some kind of booster. and you need that to get away from earth because of the gravity . but it's heavy. and gravity. but it's heavy. and then the rest of the then you've got the rest of the spaceship that can to the then you've got the rest of the spacezorp that can to the then you've got the rest of the spacezor whateverl to the then you've got the rest of the spacezor whatever it's to the then you've got the rest of the spacezor whatever it's going the moon or whatever it's going to go and then it go and do. and then when it leaves the moon, it doesn't need

the super booster that's gone. however apart however they didn't come apart properly. so this thing came spiralling down to earth, dumped a load of garbage that, greta, is be very unhappy is going to be very unhappy about. however, they're still saying success i love saying it's a success and i love their love optimism. >> i love their optimism. they're first look they're like the first age look beautiful it blew up beautiful and then it blew up and we lost it. but it was and then we lost it. but it was amazing . you should have seen amazing. you should have seen the manoeuvre and the this the flip manoeuvre and the this was seven was the second time in seven months. know , edison was months. but you know, edison was quoted say, ijust months. but you know, edison was quoted say, i just discovered quoted to say, i just discovered another make that another way to not make that light just wanted to light bulb. and i just wanted to say rapid unscheduled disassembly also be told to disassembly can also be told to what happened to liz truss's government. nice right? >> and it happens to me every time i go out drinking with bruce devlin, actually. time i go out drinking with bruwow.vlin, actually. >> wow. >> 5 news and elm—- >> shocking news and a great topical reference there, nicholas, about how six nicholas, from about how six months whatever was. months ago or whatever it was. >> anyway, is it for >> but anyway, that is it for part two. >> w- w— e up, elon musk goes >> but coming up, elon musk goes nuclear laden was nuclear and why bin laden was a great according to an idiot great guy, according to an idiot

laden listening to news. radio >> welcome back to headliners. let's get into it with the ai.

and elon musk is going thermonuclear. it was only a matter time he matter of time before he developed the technology. nicholas yeah, definitely. elon musk threatens thermonuclear lawsuit as apple disney pause and others, of course , pause. and others, of course, pause. x x adds amid anti—semitism storm. so essentially a lot of big corporate actions from the from hollywood, from silicon valley, apple, disney , warner brothers, apple, disney, warner brothers, discovery , comcast, lionsgate , discovery, comcast, lionsgate, paramount, sony pictures, ibm , paramount, sony pictures, ibm, you name it. they have paused their adverts for on x, formerly known as twitter. we are kind of obuged known as twitter. we are kind of obliged to say , accusing the obliged to say, accusing the platform of running anti—semitism or anti—semitic posts and also accusing elon musk of endorsing anti semitic accusations, something that he has denied. i essentially think that the pitchfork mob have taken out the pitchforks again

for elon musk ever since he took over twitter made it a truly free speech platform. and let's not forget, these are competitors of twitter because although on twitter, we don't watch movies, we watch videos potentially. he can you know, come up with another approach to put more content on that. and all of these names that i mentioned are competing for our time for people to be either on twitter or on apple tv , disney twitter or on apple tv, disney discovery and so on. so this is this is cancel culture today. if you are an individual and they don't like you, they want to get you you're a you fired. and if you're a company like gb news as company just like gb news as well, they go the well, they go after the advertisers because that's how they a chokehold. they put you under a chokehold. yeah, a point. there yeah, that's a good point. there are competition they're are competition and they're ideological well . ideological opponents as well. but original post he was but the original post he was referring to, he was saying someone truth someone had told the truth because talking because they were talking about he that jewish people he was saying that jewish people are realising mass are now realising that this mass immigration is not actually good for them. don't it's for them. so i don't think it's an point. was an anti—semitic point. he was just a certain just saying there's a certain kind or awareness,

kind of irony or awareness, perhaps we need to have that actually, jewish actually, you know, jewish people the people have often been on the left they've been left and they've often been suspicious of nationalism for perhaps right. but perhaps good reasons. right. but the now , okay, the irony is now, okay, immigration is not working out for lots people for you because lots of people were like you were bringing in don't like you put and he's put it bluntly, and he's agreeing don't agreeing with that. so i don't think anti—semitic. think that's anti—semitic. he has massive bond with the adl has a massive bond with the adl who ostensibly a jewish who are ostensibly a jewish organisation, but don't necessarily have the best interests jewish at interests of jewish people at heart over issues like palestine. they don't talk about heart over issues like pale sore. they don't talk about heart over issues like pale so muchey don't talk about heart over issues like pale so much andln't talk about heart over issues like pale so much and they alk about heart over issues like pale so much and they talk bout heart over issues like pale so much and they talk about that so much and they talk about leftist issues instead. so i mean, perhaps unsurprisingly mean, i'm perhaps unsurprisingly with called with musk. and he's also called out racism , which out anti—white racism, which is quite hardly quite bold, which hardly anyone's talking for the anyone's talking about for the richest the world to be richest man in the world to be making taking big stance on making taking a big stance on that. i mean, people that. i mean, white people are he's the only thing more hated than straight white man. than a straight white man. he's a south african a straight white south african man only thing man, which is the only thing he's successful. man, which is the only thing he'lmega—rich.. man, which is the only thing he'lmega—rich loads of fit birds. >> mega—rich loads of fit birds. sorry women. he's having the time of his life. but this tweet, though , i mean, the tweet, though, i mean, the language i can't even say all of it here. i'm deeply it on here. i'm deeply disinterest in giving the tiniest now about western tiniest s. now about western jewish populations coming to the disturbing realisation that

those hordes of minorities, blah, blah, blah. i mean, it's pretty it's strong stuff considering some of the things we've so you we've seen on twitter. so you can't people for sort of can't blame people for sort of being although i being horrified, although i agree. mean, talking agree. i mean, he's talking about specific people, about very specific people, isn't he? >> w- isn't he? >> was strong stuff and >> yeah, it was strong stuff and it was it's quite it was maybe not of musk to not that tactful of musk to go in so hard, but i think his heart's in the right place for what is my what he's trying to say is my point. yeah, he has been what he's trying to say is my point. a yeah, he has been what he's trying to say is my point. a bitzah, he has been what he's trying to say is my point. a bit reckless,as been what he's trying to say is my point. a bit reckless, butaen what he's trying to say is my point. a bit reckless, but just maybe a bit reckless, but just to be clear as well, he's going against matters all against media matters on all those he's going hard for those and he's going hard for all because they were all of them because they were misleading about how they represent. they posted represent. they sort of posted things that were misleading. twitter things that were misleading. twittsaying he's saying you've misrepresented the amount of adverts appear all adverts that appear and all these things to these kind of things to deliberately platform deliberately defame the platform . of these deliberately defame the platform . fake of these deliberately defame the platform . fake fact of these deliberately defame the platform . fake fact checkers. of these deliberately defame the platform . fake fact checkers. and hese faux fake fact checkers. and i always say, who fact checks the fact checkers? these are leftist organisations with a leftist agenda. organisations with a leftist agenda . and adl, again, jewish agenda. and adl, again, jewish organisation, but no less than ben shapiro, prominent jewish orthodox jewish american commentator , has big issues with commentator, has big issues with adl. so it's not just elon musk. yeah, absolutely . and i've heard

yeah, absolutely. and i've heard you say who fact checks the fact checkers. he does always say that, let's the mail on that, guys, let's do the mail on sunday. and a trans horror writer osama writer has praised osama bin laden. must be day in laden. oh, it must be any day in 2023. cressida this is this is the most headline, this headline ever critically acclaimed transgender author hails transgender horror author hails osama bin laden's principled destruction of twin towers months after sharing her desire to slit j.k. rowling's throat . to slit j.k. rowling's throat. >> whoa. >> whoa. >> totally normal. totally normal. gretchen felker martin on thursday joined the chorus of admiration for al—qaeda. despite by this nonsense on tiktok , bin by this nonsense on tiktok, bin laden's letter love letters to america suddenly become the biggest download ever more than next podcast, i believe. shocking. yeah so i don't know. i mean this is what she wrote on twitter can pretty safely state that bin laden and i do not agree on much, but blowing up the world trade centre is probably the most principled and defensible thing he did. wow. oh it's. >> this is just this mad revisionism we're getting now. this kind of historical

illiteracy, this cultural relativism. i feel that young people have been primed for this by universal cities and by social media. echo chambers . and social media. echo chambers. and soon they're just going to be saying, hey, was all saying, hey, hey, hitler was all right, out . and right, guys, hear me out. and also, this person had previous, by , in past, this by the way, in the past, this same that had same person had said that had said praised said the said basically praised said the huge of 9/11 is the huge crime of 9/11 is that the as we every day overseas gets as we do every day overseas gets done us. exactly once. but done to us. exactly once. but none of them know. none of them really know. >> they don't know >> i feel like they don't know what they're talking about. i feel like there's no developed what they're talking about. i feel like shadowsio developed what they're talking about. i feel like shadows here. yeloped what they're talking about. i feel like shadows here. theyzd what they're talking about. i feel like shadows here. they just jungian shadows here. they just they've never seen so they they've never seen evil. so they just isn't any just assume there isn't any right. it's like, no , when right. and it's like, no, when people tell you who they are, believe them the first time, you know? it's like, i don't know? and it's like, i don't think can see the think they can see the difference between i don't think they the reality of violence and reality in general because to be fair, most of us i mean, why didn't they make us read solzhenitsyn at school? i don't know. but they didn't. here know. but they didn't. and here we yeah, because after october >> yeah, because after october 7th, people saying, 7th, we had people saying, oh, this a great moment. this is a great moment. >> and think there's a real >> and i think there's a real disconnect real world disconnect from real world violence you're just some

violence when you're just some young you think? yeah, what do you think? nicolas yeah, i age, when i was i agree. in my age, when i was at university, wasn't too at university, which wasn't too long che guevara at long ago, it was che guevara at least part of europe. and least in my part of europe. and the t shirts, iconically and ironically, know, ironically, you know, commercialised capitalised commercialised and capitalised and these people wouldn't and people these people wouldn't read , denies or acknowledge that read, denies or acknowledge that che guevara was a murderer. and even if you force them to read solzhenitsyn and some of them do know about the gulags and all that famine, what that engineered famine, what happened ukrainians, for happened to the ukrainians, for example, and all that, they would know, would say no. well, you know, because union were because the soviet union were under under duress and under siege and they there was too much hostility . and the italian much hostility. and the italian communists talk about comrades who make mistakes when it comes to, you know, the likes of stalin. so ultimately , me, it's stalin. so ultimately, me, it's just it's just a lost cause. >> i naively thought some of the footage we saw on twitter in the last few weeks would be a kind of would snap you out of that, you some stuff, you know, some of the stuff, soldiers holding babies just like create this moral equivalence. >> they say, well, no less than the secretary—general of the un, gutierrez said in his statement.

let us not forget that these attacks, hamas attacks, did not happenin attacks, hamas attacks, did not happen in a vacuum. you know what else did not happen in a vacuum ? the invasion of poland vacuum? the invasion of poland by the nazis . because germany by the nazis. because germany truly and understandably had been unfairly punished by the versailles treaty, so does that mean we can say, well, it didn't happenin mean we can say, well, it didn't happen in a vacuum, guys? good point. let's move on and do the sunday express and the number of people in people marrying their cousins in bradford finally, bradford is falling. finally, some news. yeah, some good news. nicholas yeah, finally, good news. this is finally, some good news. this is bradford, isn't it? the uk city where locals where loads of locals marry their cousins. but the number is starting to fall. we know this is one of those traditions that i was talking about the clash of cultures and all that. but apparently the new generation basically is less interested . and also that's not interested. and also that's not forget there's more mobility . so forget there's more mobility. so they rebel against the arranged marriages and oftentimes these arranged marriages are marriages

between cousins. we're talking about especially people or maybe exclusively, i'd hope so. people of south asian descent or background. so i'm amazed. pakistanis west country joke actually , i think it's still do actually, i think it's still do you want to make one near your people there i want to gig in that area so i don't want to alienate people. yeah they're saying like staying longer in education. about education. the knowledge about the birth defects and the sort of birth defects and stuff. the sort of birth defects and stu�*that's got be leading. >> that's got to be the leading. that's that's the that's surely, that's the leading. to know if leading. i'd like to know if it's the decline in other it's on the decline in other countries you countries as well because if you know it's to lead to birth know it's going to lead to birth defects, strong incentive defects, pretty strong incentive not isn't not to do it, isn't it? >> okay i feel we >> yeah. okay well, i feel we should on from that should move on from that controversial another controversial story to another really story in controversial story to another realiindependent. story in controversial story to another realiindependent. andary in term the independent. and is the term coconut, an insult coconut, when used as an insult racist? i'm going with yes, crescent the term coconut crescent is the term coconut controversial, or both? controversial, racist or both? >> it's racist. >> well, of course it's racist. i it it relies on race, i mean, it it relies on race, doesn't it? if you don't know if it's a phrase that's used to . it's a phrase that's used to. well, perhaps we should read this before i start going. we

should always define our terms before we start arguing, shouldn't we? the idea is shouldn't we? so the idea is that somebody is perceived as that if somebody is perceived as behaving like a white person , behaving like a white person, whatever that means, but they're actually a person of colour, they get called coconut . yeah. they get called a coconut. yeah. >> and this refers to the to the infamous poster or slogan somebody was holding in these pro—palestine demonstrations in which rishi sunak and suella braverman were depicted under a palm tree with coconuts. yeah, it's shocking . i mean, it's like it's shocking. i mean, it's like uncle tom. it's a kind of it's a sort of it's a sort of tribal mentality. it's a collectivist thing. it suggests that integration is bad . it's integration is bad. it's basically have certain basically you have certain views, a traitor to your views, you're a traitor to your people. so you're you're a coconut. horrible luke coconut. it's a horrible luke miall i have been on the receiving end of this, although not called a coconut not never been called a coconut because not really brown, because i'm not really brown, but not also not anglo—saxon but i'm not also not anglo—saxon or technically, strictly speaking , white. and this is the speaking, white. and this is the ugliest form of, in my experience , racial prejudice. experience, racial prejudice. because just by being someone

who is not anglo—saxon or technically white or a migrant background, people assume that you have to vote with the laboun you have to vote with the labour. you have your italian, so you have to be anti—brexit and if god forbid, you are christian or you want small government or smaller taxes or no immigration, they call you all names. maybe not coconut. in my case, but i agree. yeah, absolutely. and they cite a&e andrews , who called whiteness andrews, who called whiteness a form psychosis , and they're form of psychosis, and they're citing dr. shola nuff said that is for part two. but coming is it for part two. but coming up in the final section, why obese are being targeted up in the final section, why obldrug are being targeted up in the final section, why obldrug companieseing targeted up in the final section, why obldrug companieseing younged by drug companies and young people drive .

welcome back to the final section of headliners. let's get right into it with the sunday telegraph and a heartwarming story about a man known as the steve jobs of 3d printed guns inspired stuff. nicolas inspiring stuff indeed. also with some dark undertones. developer of world's most

successful 3d printed gun unmasked as incel extremist extremist jake bob doig. i hope i'm pronouncing his name correctly. he was of kurdish descent , moved to germany when descent, moved to germany when very young, presumably if not born in germany. he served with the german armed forces. he was fascinated with guns and ultra smartly, he became somebody who believed that gun, gun ownership is a right to defend yourself against the tyranny and pretty much in line with the first amendment in the us. the problem was that he also was revealed later after his suspicious death, to have some extremist views in terms of support for nazis , although of kurdish nazis, although of kurdish origin himself, he wanted to eliminate hate. muslims in these views attributed to him. to him, what happened was that he came up with this for fantastically

or incredibly easy to produce 3d printed gun functional with very easy instructions . and that is easy instructions. and that is his legacy, which has made a lot of institutions, police forces all over the world very concerned about about the ease with which printing their own guns, like some sort of david cronenberg movie and he said he had a huge list of grievances, especially against women in the state. be fair. >> goodness , he >> but oh, my goodness, he decided to do something about it. but he obviously was a bad quy- >> guy- >> enormous it's another >> enormous sad. it's another elliot thing , isn't elliot rodger type thing, isn't it? guy who hasn't got it? it's this guy who hasn't got anything like also, had anything like it. also, he had autism, he was very was autism, so he was very he was hyper one and hyper focussed on one thing and then something he's then he finds something he's good creating. make it good at creating. make it yourself i mean , it's just yourself guns. i mean, it's just tragic. yeah. >> let's do the >> okay, well, let's do the observer with a story about observer then with a story about targeting people drugs targeting fat people with drugs to thin enough to make them thin enough to work. the kind work. is this the kind of innovation need to get innovation we need to get britain growing, though not physically, of course. >> revealed obesity >> aggressively revealed obesity jobmaker discussed targeting benefit claimants with uk government . government. >> so it's actually the case

that obesity jobmaker de novo nordisk suggested to senior government officials that they could profile benefit claimants so that those most likely to return to work could be targeted with its weight loss injections . with its weight loss injections. isn't that amazing? i mean, it's almost i think it's almost a good thing, right? who doesn't want to be targeted with weight loss medication? god hit me up. fantastic. but clearly huge ethical concerns . ethical concerns. >> yes, the almost is quite key because it's all a bit eugenics. >> see, it's a bit china. what do think, nicholas? bit. do you think, nicholas? a bit. well, i wouldn't go as far as eugenics , but i'd a bit eugenics, but i'd say a bit cynical. let us not forget that. and is a recurrent story . and this is a recurrent story. nhs under huge pressure . our nhs is under huge pressure. our coffers are empty finances, financial resources , depleted financial resources, depleted for one reason or another. so at some point and just just this week , jeremy hunt announced that week, jeremy hunt announced that people who don't find jobs after 18 months, if they don't have if they haven't tried enough, then they haven't tried enough, then the benefits will be cut. so the government has to make tough decisions. somebody is

decisions. and if somebody is losing a little bit of weight, can go back to the work market, to market and be to the job market and be productive. a productive. just give him a nudge. it that bad ? well, of nudge. is it that bad? well, of course pro it, you course you're pro it, but you guys also gave us mussolini, so let's down. let's all calm down. >> welcome. >> but you're welcome. >> but you're welcome. >> alongside wraparound >> it comes alongside wraparound support such as back to work counselling . so there you go. counselling. so there you go. oh, that's nice. nice cuddly bit. >> and the firm's called novo nordisk, which just sounds like the baddie rocky movie to the baddie in a rocky movie to me. let's do the sunday times and are giving up me. let's do the sunday times anldriving. are giving up me. let's do the sunday times anldriving. only are giving up me. let's do the sunday times anldriving. only theyjiving up me. let's do the sunday times anldriving. only they give| up me. let's do the sunday times anldriving. only they give up» on driving. if only they give up on driving. if only they give up on tell me on marching. nicholas, tell me about three quarters of about it. why three quarters of young people aren't learning to drive. this is quite drive. so this is quite surprising because in my day, again, wait to again, people couldn't wait to get to 17 or depending on get to 17 or 18, depending on your country and get your driver's license. today only 1 in 4 people . aged 17 to 20 have in 4 people. aged 17 to 20 have a full driving license in the uk, of course, and there are different reasons mentioned for it. essentially the cost of buying a cost of insurance. buying a car cost of insurance. that's terrible . we know buying a car cost of insurance. that'sof terrible . we know buying a car cost of insurance. that'sof us terrible . we know buying a car cost of insurance. that'sof us who 'ible . we know buying a car cost of insurance. that'sof us who know we know buying a car cost of insurance. that'sof us who know alternative those of us who know alternative modes transport, also

modes of transport, but also covid, there's a huge backlog, which means it's no longer like before when you could get take as many lessons as you wanted and then go and do your tests in your slot. now, if you are not ready that slot, you will ready for that slot, you will lose it then you'll be in lose it and then you'll be in trouble . yeah, they've made it trouble. yeah, they've made it hard purpose. mean, i got hard on purpose. i mean, i got rid of my car because it's mots tax. relentless and tax. it's all relentless and they've hard on purpose, tax. it's all relentless and they know, hard on purpose, tax. it's all relentless and they know, to hard on purpose, tax. it's all relentless and they know, to stopard on purpose, tax. it's all relentless and they know, to stop you»n purpose, tax. it's all relentless and they know, to stop you driving.se, you know, to stop you driving. it's the eco zealots. it's the. it's the eco zealots. it's the. it's wef. it's the wef. >> well, this we're >> well, this is we're being told end of world. told it's the end of the world. >> then they're not. i mean, i found it so difficult to learn to got there to drive. i finally got there after five tests. it was horrific. it was the most boring thing. was thing. i didn't care. it was expensive. hate having to expensive. do you hate having to spend on something you spend money on something you don't now coming >> and now they're coming up with minute city. so with ulez and 15 minute city. so so it's a disincentive . so it's a disincentive. >> they're all going to get the bus. >> all right. >> all right. >> nailed that one. let's do the sunday times children's sunday times and children's brains harmed by screen brains are not harmed by screen time so it's just their morals then nicholas, this then nicholas, i'm taking this to because this is a big to my wife because this is a big source of friction. i have two kids, five year old, one half years and they years old, and they love watching on youtube. and

watching stuff on youtube. and they have to basically in their defence and in my defence, i use youtube because i'm raising them trilingual right? but my wife has read something on mumsnet or somebody, you know , you can somebody, you know, you can author a book with £12 on amazon and sell it, you know, i don't know where she has read that this is terrible and this is devasted eating and satanic. so i'm going to say that essentially in a nutshell, oxford university, cambridge university and some us institutions , they have done institutions, they have done research based on data for two years on a big group of teenagers and kids , and they teenagers and kids, and they have come up with this finding and there is no correlate between people watching and the amount of people being on screen. youtube tv, video games , screen. youtube tv, video games, you name it, and their brain development, you name it, and their brain development , their cognitive development, their cognitive ability and their well being amazing. >> so you just get a kid and it's as clever as it's going to be. whatever you do to it. >> this is the best story given to me by the producers of

headliners. thank you much. headliners. thank you so much. >> yeah, that's that's really i mean, to know what the mean, i'd like to know what the content is. what are they watching? are they watching headliners? know. watching? are they watching headlircan? know. watching? are they watching headlircan hope know. watching? are they watching headlircan hope so.> we can hope so. in which case their brains are fine and their moles. let's quickly have moles. let's very quickly have a look on sunday and look at the mail on sunday and which and city character which sex and the city character are this story are you most like? this story coming from coming to you from 1998, cressida i don't know how this has in. i'm so sorry to has got in. i'm so sorry to everyone. thank god have the everyone. thank god we have the woman, the woman of headliners >> god, heard. apparently >> god, i heard. apparently i read the headline. are you a carrie? samantha charlotte or miranda? scientists, science artists singletons artists claims all singletons fit into four categories. take the test to find out which one you are. i heard the other day that sex in the city. in fact, from louise perry, who's who's writing against the case against the sex and the sexual revolution, sex and the sexual revolution, sex and the city was written by a gay man about it, the way he thought. your sex life ought to be. so it's not necessarily a guide for young anyway . so guide for young women anyway. so sex might not be the sex in the city might not be the ideal place to turn to for dating advice, but it's fair to say the show hides an important lesson about the psychology of

singledom , so neither of you singledom, so neither of you watched it at all? >> i watched it. >> i watched it. >> it was awful. and it's kind of responsible for a lot because the creator of it actually said she regretted not having the creator of it actually said she regresod not having the creator of it actually said she regreso it'slt having the creator of it actually said she regreso it's kind'ing the creator of it actually said she regreso it's kind of] the creator of it actually said she regreso it's kind of sold a children. so it's kind of sold a lie of feminism to a generation, children. so it's kind of sold a lie okind|inism to a generation, children. so it's kind of sold a lie okind of sm to a generation, children. so it's kind of sold a lie okind of lifestyle.]eneration, that kind of lifestyle. they regretted got anyone regretted. we've got 20s anyone want comment ? want to comment? >> do you do you think you're i no, married, aren't you? no, you're married, aren't you? so the charlotte so you must be the charlotte because made because charlotte is a just made singleton . i don't know what singleton. i don't know what that means. >> i'm faithful or. well, let's go charlotte. take go with charlotte. i take charlotte day . charlotte over samantha any day. inever charlotte over samantha any day. i never thought i'd hear do a show where nicholas de santa discusses whether he's charlotte or but got there, or samantha. but we got there, that is, think pretty that is, i think we pretty much run time. thanks, guys. run out of time. thanks, guys. shows so shows pretty much over. so let's have quick look at have another quick look at sunday's front pages. so the mail sunday has after five mail on sunday has after five years, britain sends plane mutiny, rapists back to somalia with a plush hotel. armed guards and therapy. you pay for. with a plush hotel. armed guards and therapy. you pay for . the and therapy. you pay for. the sunday telegraph has pm deploys whitehall officials to rwanda as revolt grows as the sunday express goes with terror , cell

express goes with terror, cell sneaksin express goes with terror, cell sneaks in on small boats as the sunday times hunt weighs up. surprise cut in tax for millions as the sunday mirror staggering 100 billion of tory waste, the daily star raise a glass to the been daily star raise a glass to the beer, belly busting berries . and beer, belly busting berries. and thatis beer, belly busting berries. and that is it for tonight's show. thanks to cresta and nicholas headliners is back tomorrow at 11 pm. if you're watching at 5 am, stay tuned a.m, then stay tuned for breakfast. but for now, good night.

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