channel, britain's news channel. >> hello, good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv , online welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours , akua and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this about opinion. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at times we will disagree , but no times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. and so joining me in the next hour, we've got broadcast from columnist and also columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour party adviser matthew laza in a few moments, we'll be crossing live all across the country to armistice, armistice day as we remember those who have fallen, as well as those who have served. we'll also be covering the pro—palestine protesters who were from hyde park to were marching from hyde park to the embassy. but before that, the us embassy. but before that, let's get your latest news with tasmin . nana.

tasmin. nana. >> thank you and good afternoon from the gb newsroom. it's 3:00. hundreds of thousands of pro—palestinian protesters are marching through central london demanding a ceasefire in the middle east. the rally, which coincides with armistice day, is one of the biggest political marches in british history. the demand traitors are marching from hyde park to the us embassy almost 2000 officers have been deployed across the weekend to prevent any violent behaviour . prevent any violent behaviour. meanwhile, the home secretary has been accused of stoking tensions and emboldening the far right . it's after right. it's after counter—protesters clashed with officers at various locations in london, including westminster and whitehall. the met police says 82 people have been arrested in pimlico to prevent a breach of the peace. scottish first minister humza yousaf is calling for suella bravermans resignation and the london mayor says the scenes of disorder are a direct result of the home secretary's words . as well.

secretary's words. as well. earlier, scuffles broke out between police and counter—protesters trying to gain access to the cenotaph . the gain access to the cenotaph. the met police says officers faced aggression in significant numbers . the force added that numbers. the force added that they weren't part of one cohesive group and that officers have been continuing to track and monitor them . well, this and monitor them. well, this morning's events didn't mar the silence , which police say was silence, which police say was respectfully observed to honour those who've served in conflicts around the world . around the world. and on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month marking the end of world war i. the uk paused for armistice day, remembering the servicemen and women who made the ultimate sacrifice . police who increased sacrifice. police who increased their presence across the caphal their presence across the

capital, established a ring of protection around the cenotaph in central london to prevent disorder . in central london to prevent disorder. during the commemoration . in other news, commemoration. in other news, a mother who was found dead by her two children in manchester has been named by police. her severens nick gibb was found with a single stab injury in little hulton near salford in the early hours of yesterday morning. the 35 year old was taken to hospital where she later died. police say a 45 year old man who fled the scene has been arrested on suspicion of murder and remains in custody . murder and remains in custody. we . the funeral of a teenager we. the funeral of a teenager who was stabbed on her way to school has taken place in south london. the family and friends of elianne andam gathered in croydon to pay their respects. the 15 year old was killed in september. a 17 year old boy is charged with murder and is due to appear in court. on the 19th of december . crowds have lined of december. crowds have lined the streets of london for the

historic lord mayor's show. the event , which started in the 13th event, which started in the 13th century, includes a colourful three mile parade before the new lord mayor of the city of london is sworn in. the mayor rides in the same golden state coach used in every lord mayor's show since 1757. the new lord mayor is michael mainelli . this is gb michael mainelli. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker for just say play gb news. now it's back to nana . thank you, thames. to nana. thank you, thames. >> and i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. it is fast approaching. five minutes after 3:00 now. coming up , five minutes after 3:00 now. coming up, i'll be speaking to gb news home and security editor mark white to get the latest developments the country developments as the country celebrates armistice day. now, this coincides with the pro—palestine protesters who were marching on the streets of

london on remembrance weekend. should these protests be allowed to during such an to take place during such an important weekend, are they important weekend, or are they hate marches as suella braverman says? send me your thoughts, gb views. gbnews.com. then stay tuned because at 320 it's time for climate control. i'll be debating is sunak's climate agenda step in the right direction? it's only two weeks to the cop 28 summit in dubai where king charles will push for countries across the world to do more on the climate emergency. but here back in the uk, the government has announced plans to for more oil in the to drill for more oil in the nonh to drill for more oil in the north sea. so i'm asking, is sunak's climate agenda a step in the right direction? and former liberal democrat minister norman baker will be joining me live in the studio for this week's political spotlight. norman will be talking to me about his time in politics and all the work be talking to me about his time in p

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tweet me at. gb news. but first, let's get the update. let's go live to tel aviv and have a chat with uri geller, the evacuation corridor for civilians to move south remains open until 4:00 this afternoon as a tactical pause in fighting today has been being introduced . east. israel being introduced. east. israel has been facing mounting international pressure to do more to protect palestinian civilians in gaza as fighting intensifies near hospitals and the number killed rises to 11,000. those of course, the figures supplied to us by hamas, the governing body there . the governing body there. meanwhile, the gaza health ministry says that operations at the hospital in the the largest hospital in the enclave, al—shifa complex , have enclave, al—shifa complex, have stopped completely after it ran out of fuel. the world health organisation has already described gaza's health care system as being on its knees. i'm joined now by mr uri geller live in tel aviv. uri, thank you so much forjoining me. it's good to see you. so talk to me.

give me an update on what's been going are . going on where you are. >> okay. i would very much like you to give me a an opportunity to voice my opinion about these demonstrations. >> look, nana what we are seeing today with the pro—palestinian pro—hamas march in london is shame ful. and i believe the shameful. and i believe the vast majority of ordinary british people are embarrassed by it and do not want it. you know, suella braverman , the know, suella braverman, the british home secretary deserves praise, not criticism, for standing up up against it. now look, these jihadi . they're look, these jihadi. they're jihadists because because make no mistake about it, that's what they are , jihadists. plus a few they are, jihadists. plus a few useful idiots who just like marching, are hijacking the most solemn i mean, the most solemn day in the british calendar. >> a day when the british all of

britain falls silent to remember the sacrifice of all those millions of brave men and women who gave their life to defeat. >> exactly. and this is important thing here. exactly the kind of irony this is marchers represent. look nana the metropolitan police and suella should have stopped the march from going ahead. it is provocative . it is frightening. provocative. it is frightening. it is anti—semitic and never before on remembrance day has any group held a protest march for war, not for the iraq war, not for the war in afghanistan, not for the war in afghanistan, not for the war in afghanistan, not for any other county wars where civilians have died. but here in this clear war in israel of self—defence and this is self—defence by the one and only jewish state in which which suffered i mean the most the most horror flying massacre since the holocaust. this is

unbelievable what's going on in london now . what is your opinion london now. what is your opinion about it? please tell me. >> well, i. i mean, look, first of all, they would probably argue that they are peaceful protesters. so they're protesting for peace and they're concern with the level of death thatis concern with the level of death that is happening in gaza with regard to a lot of the people who live there are not hamas who live there who are not hamas and hamas, obviously, the governing there , hamas, governing body there, hamas, i agree are terrorists , agree with you, are terrorists, but they would these but they would argue that these people protesting for peace. people are protesting for peace. and where we go and that's that's where we go with and that's why these with this. and that's why these protests, which have gone ahead under that guise and i agree with you, there will be an element of people who are supporting a lot of supporting hamas. but a lot of people there are likely to be saying that they are supporting they looking peace, they are looking for peace, although i am with you in many respects. i question that because okay, that's because i say, okay, if that's the case, why you an the case, why don't you carry an israeli flag and a palestinian flag and put them together? and or there nobody there or why is there nobody there actually for the hostage actually calling for the hostage to be released, that sort of

thing is what i'm concerned. >> exactly . exactly. and if the >> exactly. exactly. and if the protesters really were pro peace , as they claim they would be protesting against hamas, not israel , and protesting against hamas, not israel, and that that is a fact. >> but they would argue. but they would argue that they are a political not necessarily on one side or other, although many are carrying palestinian flags. they would probably argue that their their aim and their goal is to preserve life and they want peace. >> okay. going back to israel, nana , there are less missiles nana, there are less missiles flying in. you can actually feel that there are missiles that are being depleted . and we are being depleted. and we are meanwhile , finding out that meanwhile, finding out that hamas headquarters, missiles , hamas headquarters, missiles, launchers are all based in schools, in hospitals . it's schools, in hospitals. it's unbelievable. and you know, we are filming all this. i incredible how they use poor

civilians, children as human shields. now, the world has to know this now. it's very difficult for us to bring this out in the in the open because there are about . what, one point there are about. what, one point 1.5 billion, 1.5 billion muslims. and there are about 14 million jews. so the internet, tiktok, facebook , instagram, tiktok, facebook, instagram, twitter , it's just a massive , twitter, it's just a massive, massive drive against israel. but we're trying to do our best to try to explain the real situation that is happening in gaza. >> i think a lot of people don't really have a real understanding of the brutality of what happened on the seventh. we hear it . i don't know whether people it. i don't know whether people are actually, you know, imagine ing they to be ing that they happen to be because bottom is, if because the bottom line is, if any of those pro—palestine protesters near that, the protesters were near that, the border with gaza that day on that seventh, the hamas terrorists wouldn't have cared who they supported. they would

have killed them. so i think, you know, people need to be a bit more real about the situation and understand that they are in discriminate. >> more nana do you >> one more thing nana do you remember michelle obama holding up the plaque free? the girls that were kidnapped in nigeria and all those celebrities that were all holding up freedom? you know, we have over 200. and what, 30 hostages, babies , what, 30 hostages, babies, children , babies were kidnapped children, babies were kidnapped from their mothers hands . where from their mothers hands. where are the protests around the world? celebrities from michelle obama. i challenge michelle obama. i challenge michelle obama. hold up . hold up. obama. hold up. hold up. a plaque saying , free the babies, plaque saying, free the babies, free , free the children . it's free, free the children. it's not there. she's not showing up. this is this angers me and you. you understand my passion for this terrible deed and my questioning the world. where are you ? why aren't you protesting

you? why aren't you protesting against the kidnapping of children? kidnapping of children around the world? this is a massive crime against humanity. >> yeah, well, i mean , it was >> yeah, well, i mean, it was a massive crime. it was barbaric . massive crime. it was barbaric. it was disgusting . it was the it was disgusting. it was the most unimaginable behaviour. and it's terrifying . terrifying, you it's terrifying. terrifying, you know, as a as a mother, as somebody you know, i don't want people coming into my house with machine guns and grenades and stuff like that. it literally stuff like that. so it literally it's to anyone who it's terrifying to anyone who would have seen that. but of course, it's terrifying with bombs being dropped in gaza as well. but the bottom line is the only divides israel only thing that divides israel and gaza is the fact that israel has the iron dome. had israel not had the iron dome, israel would like gaza. well, would look like gaza. well, listen, we've just lost ori ori, you know, i think you've got your across . it's lovely you know, i think you've got your to across . it's lovely you know, i think you've got your to you across . it's lovely you know, i think you've got your to you as'oss . it's lovely you know, i think you've got your to you as ever it's lovely you know, i think you've got your to you as ever .t's lovely you know, i think you've got your to you as ever. stayvely to talk to you as ever. stay safe. was safe. thank you. that was mystifier uri geller, live in tel aviv, giving us an update on what's going on on the israel side of things as well. well

moving on, because here in the uk, a major policing operation has been underway in london with nearly 2000 police officers deployed across the city. but what's expected to be one of the biggest political marches in british history, hundreds of thousands of people have descended onto the capital for a pro—palestine . no, not pro—palestine march. no, not armistice no , the armistice day. march, no, the pro—palestine march calling for a ceasefire in gaza. i don't know how realistic that is , but know how realistic that is, but the prime minister appealed for unity amid concerns it would spark violence. on a day of remembrance for war veterans. meanwhile, home secretary suella braverman pressure braverman remains under pressure from all sides after accusing the police bias when they the police of bias when they resisted pressure ban the resisted pressure to ban the protest. well, joining me now is gb news home and security editor mark to the latest mark white to give me the latest from central london. there from central london. he's there live . so, mark, how peaceful live now. so, mark, how peaceful have those protests been so far? because the visions that we're seeing are people marching peacefully with banners that talk about gaza. there doesn't seem to be anything there . i seem to be anything there. i haven't seen or heard the word jihad or seen anyone chanting

from the river to the sea. but what's it actually like on the ground . ground. >> it's been very peaceful. there's lots of chants of to the river to the sea. we're hearing that regularly here. but this one is peaceful. some of the counter—protesters we know have not been that peaceful. there have been sporadic violence and groups that have been in contained by the police. in fact , just want to show you just now , nana, where we are actually is just it's a row of police vans that are blocking off the north end of vauxhall bridge down millbank to stop any of these pro palestinian protesters getting down towards the cenotaph , but also to stop some cenotaph, but also to stop some of these counter—protests getting up to here to meet this main march. we can give you a look just down through this officer , if he doesn't mind,

officer, if he doesn't mind, down through to that area there, you can see another cordon of police vans and officers there. i think the counter—protesters that were there have moved on now. they were just at one of the pubs, just on the corner there for a while . the officers there for a while. the officers did have their helmets on for a while as well . so an indication while as well. so an indication perhaps that things were looking a little bit hairy for a while, but it certainly seems to have calmed down. can't actually see many people at all on that corner. now, it may be that they've moved back down towards westminster itself. as i say , westminster itself. as i say, nana, there was a couple of flash points earlier down towards westminster near the cenotaph, around portcullis house, near winston churchill statue, and even actually up in chinatown as well. what starts with those? we don't really know, but but there there was for a while police cordon and

police did have a bit of audio from mark. >> they've got a bit of a dicey signal. thank you, mark. we will come to him. got come back to him. we've got loads to you. loads of updates to bring you. we'll updates we'll be bringing you updates from that through throughout the programme. we're just programme. but we're just getting of getting some pictures of protesters who have climbed the world war one memorial at wellington arch. so here we go again . it started already. this again. it started already. this is incendiary . they've is quite incendiary. they've placed flag on the placed a palestinian flag on the statue that is there and that is obviously not acceptable . and obviously not acceptable. and there are protesters actually climbing on the monument as well. so there are they're standing there so that that this is what we were concerned about. this we're worried is what we were concerned about. this you we're worried is what we were concerned about. this you aggression ried is what we were concerned about. this you aggression can be in about. you aggression can be in two forms. you can have violent and shouty aggression or you can have passive aggression equally as . and that to me is as offensive. and that to me is passive aggressive. so it's only the start the protest. but we the start of the protest. but we will be following that protest throughout. it'll end around about show. we about 5:00 mid of my show. we will bringing you updates will keep bringing you updates on all of that. you're with me. i'm akua. is gb news i'm nana akua. this is gb news on and on digital

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and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's now time for climate control where we unpack all the biggest climate stories of the week . and now one of the of the week. and now one of the key pledges of the king's speech this was rishi sunak's this week was rishi sunak's government's decision to grant annual oil and gas licences for drilling the north sea. but drilling in the north sea. but as numerous scientists declare, 2023is as numerous scientists declare, 2023 is on track to be the hottest year on record, warning that the world temperature is currently 1.43 celsius above the pre—industrial average is sunak so—called anti—green agenda the right plan? so joining me to discuss, i have jim dale, meteorologist and social commentator, and paul burgess , a commentator, and paul burgess, a climate scientist. i'm going to start with you, jim dale. thank you . okay. good afternoon. you you. okay. good afternoon. you to next speech you had, the question that not question was within that i'm not going again. going to say it all over again. >> sunak is a handbrake turn and going to say it all over again. >> schasing a handbrake turn and going to say it all over again. >> schasing votes.ibrake turn and going to say it all over again. >> schasing votes. he'sz turn and going to say it all over again. >> schasing votes. he's not n and he's chasing votes. he's not chasing anything else . he's chasing anything else. he's trying to go take votes off the reform party who are reform uk party who are prescribed climate deniers and that's where he is, a bit like the ukip in in the last election. >> i would argue that they're

not climate deniers. they just don't might subscribe don't they might not subscribe to science . to the science. >> if you look you look in >> if you look if you look in the deniers the dictionary climate deniers is phrased and explained exactly what it is. it's basically people who deny the manmade the manmade influence in terms of the climate changing. that's basically what they're denying. and most scientists, as you've just pointed out, are on the opposite side , including nasa. opposite side, including nasa. yeah, you just you just read that. >> yeah. well there's a lot of scientists who have a there's a rump of them . rump of them. >> there's a rump of them generally speaking, they follow the fossil fuel industry and they get told what to do by them. off them them. and get fed off them financially . that is way it financially. that is the way it is. that all the and i say this nicely , you know, out there nicely, you know, out there people all need to get educated. simple as that . simple as that. >> those that and what will they learn ? do they. >> those that and what will they lea well do they. >> those that and what will they lea well they do they. >> those that and what will they lea well they will1ey. that the >> well they will learn that the acceleration terms of the acceleration in terms of the climate in terms of the heat the c02 climate in terms of the heat the co2 levels, floods , other co2 levels, the floods, other aspects, wildfires are all accelerating out of proportion

to all of the history. and that is the case. so, look , 2023, the is the case. so, look, 2023, the hottest year on record, probably for arguably for 120,000 years, 150,000 years. yeah, 120,000 years, according to far back to the records. >> go . >> go. >> go. >> we're looking at ice cores . >> we're looking at ice cores. we're looking at soil samples. that's what that's what the records go back . they they the records go back. they they the records go back. they they the records back . if you records that go back. if you look at day records , they look at modern day records, they go back 150 years, give or take. that's the modern day records . that's the modern day records. but remember, scientists, geologists look things geologists look at things a little bit more succinctly than than just looking at the last 150 years being boring. >> yeah, sure. >> yeah, sure. >> quite a few claims. they said c02, >> quite a few claims. they said co2, said floods, wildfires, co2, he said floods, wildfires, arguably . says climate change arguably. says climate change the worst they've ever been . the worst they've ever been. >> it's just not true . if you >> it's just not true. if you take floods. >> i mean, i've got a diagram here on my camera can see it. >> we might able to. >> we might be able to. >> we might be able to. >> the world >> okay. this is the world reduction for example. >> right. >> right. >> droughts have >> this is how droughts have been reduced between 1982 and 2012. >> not my figures .

>> not my figures. >> not my figures. >> as always. after these talks, i post on my youtube channel all the backup references. so he's talking about drought . talking about drought. >> so what are saying about >> so what are you saying about drought saying drought so. well, i'm saying droughts and i'm droughts are decreasing and i'm saying it's my own subject saying that it's my own subject because water resources and because in water resources and the worst drought in britain was 1750. >> the next one was 1770. and so on the top five droughts were all before the industrial revolution, right? and so it's as simple as that. >> so where this comes from, but i'm not the one that i'm not the only one saying that the ipcc it. the ipcc say it. >> has concluded that a >> the ipcc has concluded that a signal of climate change has not yet emerged beyond natural variability . see, in the variability. see, in the following phenomena river floods, precipitation , floods, heavy precipitation, landslides, drought, severe windstorms , tropical cyclones et cetera. >> and the ipcc are the body who sort of look overseas there. >> there's droughts there. >> there's the droughts there. 1756, 1798, 1854, 1887. they're the worst droughts is when i did this work. i checked it up with the environment agency because they'd been my old colleagues, in effect . and fact, in effect. and in fact, they said evidence in the said there's no evidence in the official of official government report of

any droughts. you go any worst droughts. then you go to on let's go on to hurricanes. hurricanes have been reducing since . these are my figures. since. these are my figures. 1990, right . 1990, right. >> so you know what about wildfires? >> jim talked about wildfires . >> jim talked about wildfires. okay. there we are. >> there's wildfires . >> there's wildfires. >> there's wildfires. >> now what they've done, biden hid this when he came power. hid this when he came to power. >> this deleted from >> he had this deleted from the official . official forestry record. >> and that's from 1920, from 1930, when they had they had the dust. >> they had the dust bowl in in america. >> yeah. they had terrible wildfires in the past. so wildfires in the past. so wildfires were four, five, six times more past than they times more in the past than they were now , in fact. were now, in fact. >> so, okay, so he's provided evidence. >> no, he has provided he's provided. let me finish. let me finish. partisans off from the ipsis. are the governing ipsis. who are the governing climate body who look over all of this probably somebody of this and probably somebody that you would probably respect of this and probably somebody that their/ould probably respect of this and probably somebody that their thoughts)ably respect of this and probably somebody that their thoughts .ibly respect of this and probably somebody that their thoughts . and'espect of this and probably somebody that their thoughts . and he's ct with their thoughts. and he's showed not saying showed that they are not saying what you're saying. >> paul has spurious , >> paul has provided spurious, spunous >> paul has provided spurious, spurious information, be spurious information, to be frank he said frank with you. well he said it's from the. >> just just hang >> let's just let's just hang on. yeah >> and he's also he's also >> and he's also and he's also to on air

to listen he's he's on air like you not allowed come you he's not allowed to come up with data. with dodgy data. >> he's provided no >> he's provided evidence. no i would him. would stop him >> he's provided evidence. no i w> he's provided evidence. no i w no. anyway >> no. anyway >> no, he has an opinion. >> no, he has an opinion. >> on. it's an >> but go on. it's not an opinion. those opinion. that's the ipcc. those are who you. these are the people who you. these are the people who you. these are people you listen are the people who you listen to. right? let first of to. right? or you let first of all, you don't just look at the uk as far as climate is concerned . concerned. >> would that you've >> paul would know that you've got globe got to look at the globe entirely . so let's look at the entirely. so let's look at the globe okay july, globe entirely. okay july, august, september, all august, september, october. all the hottest months in respect of for each of those months on record ever. swiss glaciers down by 10% in a single year. those things take thousands and thousands of years to actually materialise as 10% loss. okay sea ice in and arctic out. you can't say it. antarctica losing the size of argentina this year alone . ask any grounds. people alone. ask any grounds. people ask. ask farmers. agricultural people, birdwatchers. they know which way this is going. they're not stupid . not stupid. >> i'll tell you what you're

talking. i'm just going to put some of the some live pictures up of the we're getting some live pictures from pimlico met from pimlico where the met police with police are dealing with counter—protesters so counter—protesters in london. so have a listen to that, you guys. >> yeah, yeah, sure . >> yeah, yeah, sure. >> yeah, yeah, sure. >> on. can carry >> sorry. carry on. we can carry on. evidence on. okay so, look, the evidence is . so this is this is irrefutable. so this is this is irrefutable. so this is this is and when you talk about ike picking science as picking in science as irrefutable evidence, you can always exist. you can. you can. you can. >> you mean like the big bang? they've found out it's now they've just found out it's now question completely because of the webb telescope. >> you're questioning >> so now you're questioning the extinction ? no, extinction of the dinosaurs? no, i mean, you're i'm going to call you going to quote so >> i'm going to quote now. so which can i'm which anyone can check. i'm going a recent quote. going to quote a recent quote. this quote from nasa. right. this is quote from nasa. right. and quote . and it's a quote. >> i'm just just going to >> i'm just i'm just going to we'll come to the quote, but we've there we've just seen a picture there of police of what looks like a police officer injured there. officer who got injured there. i just saw young lady, female just saw a young lady, female officer was being supported officer who was being supported and taken away from the sort of fire. >> what is the english defence league, isn't it? yeah this is the english defence league. >> are the >> so these are the counter—protesters >> so these are the count now irote sters >> so these are the countnow .)testers >> so these are the countnow . iesters >> so these are the countnow . i think it's the right now. i think it's the engush right now. i think it's the english defence attacking the cenotaph. attacking

english defence attacking the cen cenotaph. attacking english defence attacking the cen cenotaph. no attacking english defence attacking the cen cenotaph. no that'sttacking english defence attacking the cen cenotaph. no that's notzing the cenotaph. no that's not what's they're what's happening. they're not attacking. something what's happening. they're not attacking. the something what's happening. they're not attacking. the camera something what's happening. they're not attacking. the camera so moving going on. the camera is moving quite swiftly. there's a lot of police surrounding surrounding it, but it's kind of a jinxes position of what was actually prescribed it was it was going to happen, but braverman, that's exactly know, the exactly you know, this is the opposite effect, if you like. >> in words, was it was >> in other words, it was it was prescribed going to prescribed that it was going to be marchers that be the palestinian marchers that would this. effect, it's be the palestinian marchers that wou|and this. effect, it's be the palestinian marchers that wou|and we're effect, it's be the palestinian marchers that wou|and we're seeing:t, it's be the palestinian marchers that wou|and we're seeing it it's be the palestinian marchers that wou|and we're seeing it for; be the palestinian marchers that wou|and we're seeing it for the now and we're seeing it for the first time. it's the actual opposite . opposite. >> oh, it's the >> oh, no, it's not the opposite. we've seen opposite. we've just seen some palestinian protesters and the senator defence happening there, some with their some statues actually with their flags up the flags and climbing up on the monument is which is which flags and climbing up on the m wrong.1t is which is which is wrong. >> which wm m- >> yeah. which which is wrong. but looking pictures of but we're looking at pictures of the cenotaph. but we're looking at pictures of the no, otaph. but we're looking at pictures of the no, otaph we're looking at. >> no, what we're looking at. >> no, what we're looking at. >> said >> but you've just said something telling something and i'm just telling you right. you that that's not quite right. yeah well, listen, sorry, briefly to you, paul, and then i'd just like to quote nasa. >> globally, the total acreage i'd just like to quote nasa. >> gloibyly, the total acreage i'd just like to quote nasa. >> gloiby firese total acreage i'd just like to quote nasa. >> gloiby firese totayear. rage i'd just like to quote nasa. >> gloiby firese totayear. this burned by fires each year. this is decline by 24% is a global decline by 24% between 1998 and 20 2015. and there is the reference you can go to online, and that's quote. >> what about canada? well, i've

got to go to the news. >> i might come back to you very briefly can this up. >> i might come back to you very briefljcome can this up. >> i might come back to you very briefljcome céto this up. >> i might come back to you very briefljcome céto but up. we'll come back to you. but right is gb news. if right now, this is gb news. if you've tuned in, welcome you've just tuned in, welcome on board. we'll be following those marches all the marches and giving you all the updates. come, more updates. still to come, more analysis. and also we'll take you through all of that. but first, i want to get some headunes first, i want to get some headlines with . tamsin now to headlines with. tamsin now to thank you. >> here are the headlines at 330. 100 of thousands of pro—palestinian protesters are marching through central london demanding a ceasefire in the middle east. the rally, which coincides with armistice day, is one of the biggest political marches in british history. the demonstrators are marching from hyde park to the us embassy . hyde park to the us embassy. almost 2000 officers have been deployed across the weekend to prevent any violence behaviour. meanwhile the home secretary has been accused of stoking tensions and emboldening the far right. it's after counter—protesters

clashed with officers at various locations in london, including westminster and whitehall. the met police says 82 people have been arrested to prevent a breach of the peace. scottish first minister humza yousaf is calling for suella bravermans resignation mission and the london mayor says the scenes of disorder are a direct result of the home secretary's words . the home secretary's words. well, earlier scuffles broke out between police and counter—protesters who were trying to gain access to the senate off the met. police says officers faced aggression in significant numbers. the force added they weren't part of one cohesive group and that officers are continuing to track and monitor those involved . well, monitor those involved. well, this morning's events didn't mark the silence, which police say was respectfully observed. two honour those who've served in conflicts around the world. on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, marking the

end of world war i, the uk paused for armistice day to pay their respects to the service men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice . we well, you ultimate sacrifice. we well, you can get more on all of those stories. just visit our website at gbnews.com now it's back to nana.

iii >> i >> welcome back. >> welcome back. >> this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . right. well, listen, we're akua. right. well, listen, we're going live to our masters because nearly 2000 police officers have deployed officers have been deployed across london today as hundreds and thousands of people descended on the capital for a pro—palestinian march in exclusion zone was put in place with metal barriers covering military areas , including military areas, including whitehall and the horse guards parade to prevent the protests getting near to them. whilst the cenotaph has a dedicated 24 hour police presence in place until the end of the remembrance events tomorrow. so joining me now is defence analyst and former british army officer stuart crawford . stuart, thank stuart crawford. stuart, thank you so much forjoining me. now, what are your thoughts ? have the what are your thoughts? have the police enough and should police done enough and should they have actually maybe postponed or done something different with these marches . different with these marches. >> well, so far, i think it's

fair to say that sir mark rowley , um, approach has been justified in that there hasn't been what i would call serious disturbance in the central of london so far. but remember , london so far. but remember, this can continue until the last trains go home and even maybe beyond that. but at the moment it looks as if the organisers of the pro—palestinian demonstration have got got it right . right. >> and the only people who appear to be causing trouble are those black clad right of centre people who have been clashing with the police off and on throughout the course of the day i >> -- >> well, can 5mm >> well, can i, can i? so look, you've seen this though, but as you've seen this though, but as you said, it's early days. the protest has only just started. really. there have been people climbing on monuments already, though, in drapes, in the palestinian flags on them just because they're not making a noise in a sort of overtly

aggressive way that is passive aggressive. surely that is a likely is the sort likely thing. that is the sort of thing then is encourages of thing that then is encourages and violence and anger from others. seeing that indeed so. >> and it is highly disrespectful and unpleasant for many people. but being disrespectful and unpleasant is not against the law unless it leads to physical harm or the incitement of violence . incitement of violence. >> and, you know , we live in >> and, you know, we live in a liberal democracy where freedom of expression is allowed. >> and i'm very pleased that thatis >> and i'm very pleased that that is the case. and in many ways, i spent 20 years in uniform defending that. right. >> so i think it's difficult >> so i think it's a difficult line, particularly for the police to walk between freedom of expression and stopping violence and so far, it looks as if they've got it right. >> yeah, but they're still chanting from the river to the sea. and that's highly offensive to many jewish people. if you're a jewish person, you certainly wouldn't go through here or i

don't anyone you know, don't see anyone you know, carrying israeli flag or carrying a israeli flag or anyone actually castigating hamas. it seems you know, i mean, they've still got banners saying free palestine and all that. saying free palestine and all that . it's still quite that. it's still quite incendiary just because they're walking supposedly calmly right now . how. >> now. >> yes, i think that's a very fair point of view. >> but remember , the as i said >> but remember, the as i said before, this police operation will go on well into the next week, if not beyond that. and those who are inciting violence as you have described, will be picked up in due course because their faces are all over their cameras. many of them are chanting in arabic , i'm not an chanting in arabic, i'm not an arabic speaker. so i mean, as far as i know, they could be saying there fairies the saying there are fairies at the bottom i just bottom of the garden. i just don't saying. don't know what they're saying. but you know, i think that when fear and is incited by people and people are fearing for their lives and property , then i think lives and property, then i think the police have to step in and i think the police are well placed to do just that. what about the

disrespect, though? >> it's armistice day. it's remembrance weekend . and, you remembrance weekend. and, you know, just because they're doing it a little bit earlier and avoiding cenotaph now , avoiding the cenotaph for now, let's be honest, it's a bit disrespectful . surely they disrespectful. surely they should have just done it on another we have our another day. can't we have our national day and that be moved somewhere else? on that level? surely that it's bad decision surely that it's a bad decision to this to go ahead on to allow this to go ahead on this day? >> well, like it and i >> well, i don't like it and i know lots of people who don't like it, but as long as it's de—conflicted , then i guess that de—conflicted, then i guess that our liberal democracy allows this sort of thing to happen. i would far rather they had held their demonstration on another day, on another weekend . but day, on another weekend. but it's not as if they've been holding it only on this weekend . holding it only on this weekend. well, exactly. such demonstrations . demonstrations. >> well, exactly. they've had it. well that's a good point. they've had it for three. how many already ? so surely many weekends already? so surely they have been told that. they could have been told that. perhaps not weekend . i just perhaps not this weekend. i just think of people watching think a lot of people watching that highly

that feel that it's highly disrespectful and all the money that's going out there to police this when really whilst you're saying that what's happened is a lot of war veterans and people who normally come who would normally come to the cenotaph occasion have cenotaph for this occasion have not come. so the hidden conflict of this, which is not being addressed , that is the amount of addressed, that is the amount of people who scared away people who have been scared away from london because the from london because of the pro—palestine march who would normally know, normally come. and you know, commemorate their war dead. and those who are serving in the armed surely ? armed forces surely? >> no, i think that's a fair enough point of view. i mean, it's a difficult one to calculate in terms of absolute numbers don't numbers because we don't know what have happened had what might have happened had this demonstration not not taken place. but i'm a great believer in live and let live where possible . as i've said before, possible. as i've said before, as long as there isn't any calls to violence or harm to others or to violence or harm to others or to property . and at the moment, to property. and at the moment, and i stress at the moment, to property. and at the moment, and i stress at the moment , this and i stress at the moment, this weekend looks as if it's going better than many people feared.

but there's a long way to go yet i >>i >> i suspect they're just doing that for now, just because a lot of people might want to unseat suella braverman because it's useful. but i'm not so sure. it's only just started and there are already people climbing on monuments so that that's obviously no good. do you not think that perhaps the police , think that perhaps the police, the way they're dealing with the counter marches is slightly offensive and suella had a point there when she said that it's a sort of soft touch for anything that's slightly left leaning. but soon as come but then as soon as you come to anything supposedly right anything that's supposedly right wing are calling wing or some people are calling it right, i haven't seen it far right, i haven't seen anything they anything that's far right. they just different opinion . just have a different opinion. do you think had a point do you think she had a point there the do you think she had a point therextremes the do you think she had a point therextremes are the do you think she had a point therextremes are a the do you think she had a point therextremes are a bit the do you think she had a point therextremes are a bit is the do you think she had a point therextremes are a bit is uneven two extremes are a bit is uneven i >> -- >> well, i've seen those arguments. and of course, social media is awash a so—called illustrations of that . and it's illustrations of that. and it's i think the police are duty bound to treat everybody that comes across their path in such

circumstances without fear of favour. and i do understand and i do see that there is an argument there being slightly lighter air on the pro—palestinian demonstrators than they are on the those who are counter demonstrating. but they are trying to prevent a breach of peace and keeping the two groups apart , i think is an two groups apart, i think is an important part of that . important part of that. >> i the problem is that >> i think the problem is that there's many there's just too many of the pro—palestinians the march pro—palestinians in the march there, they just they've there, and they just they've just the option. just gone for the easier option. that's but i mean, that's my view. but i mean, a lot of people think lot of people might think differently well, lot of people might think differe|thank well, lot of people might think differe|thank you well, lot of people might think differe|thank you so ilell, lot of people might think differe|thank you sorlell, for listen, thank you so much for joining was defence joining me. that was defence analyst british army analyst and former british army officer stuart, officer stuart crawford. stuart, thank you for thoughts. thank you for your thoughts. well, fast well, let's just fast approaching 45 minutes after our 3:00. this is the gb news on tv onune 3:00. this is the gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's time now for this week's political spotlight . this week's political spotlight. and joining me to shine a light is former liberal democrat is the former liberal democrat minister, baker. now, minister, norman baker. now, norman has spent a long time in british working as the british politics working as the member for lewes member of parliament for lewes in east sussex from the 1970 1995 sorry, till 2015. he also

worked as the parliamentary under—secretary of state in the department for transport , as department for transport, as well as the minister of state at the home office and in his free time, norman baker does a lot of writing a royal author in his own right. in 2019, he published the book and what do you do ? you the book and what do you do? you what's the royal family don't want you to know? then he's when he's not writing books , he's he's not writing books, he's singing in a band . yes. he's got singing in a band. yes. he's got a bit of a voice on him . he's a bit of a voice on him. he's part of band called the reform part of a band called the reform club. nothing do the club. nothing to do with the reform , i take it it's reform party, i take it it's just unfortunate coincidence . just an unfortunate coincidence. we'll discuss of that with we'll discuss all of that with me, norman me, of course, is norman baker. he's studio now. he's he's live in studio now. he's the liberal democrat the former liberal democrat minister. thank you for minister. norman, thank you for joining sir. joining me. thank you, sir. norman first all, will talk norman first of all, i will talk talk you just moment, talk about you in just a moment, but start about this but i want to start about this palestinian and what palestinian protest and what your thoughts it . should your thoughts are on it. should suella braverman have asked it to be postponed or had it cancelled? or do you think the right thing is that it's going ahead? think it's none of her ahead? i think it's none of her business, be honest business, to be honest with you. but she's the home secretary. >> policing an

>> i know, but policing is an independent operation in this country. it's part of our democracy that the police are operationally independent. and we have politicians we cannot have politicians of either side telling police either side telling the police what to do, particularly the home the police, of home secretary the police, of course, are accountable , but course, are accountable, but they're accountable after the event , not before it. and we event, not before it. and we cannot if we have situation cannot if we have a situation where ministers start telling the they go the police how they should go about business, a about their business, that's a very slippery slope very dangerous, slippery slope to she is out of to go down. so she is out of order. interesting that not order. it's interesting that not just five opposition parties have called for her resign. have called for her to resign. and of london, and the mayor of london, i gather now as well, but also sir nicholas soames, winston churchill's grandson, has criticised her. >> keeps coming up, doesn't he? >> and a lot of the conservative party as well. and you find very few defending few ministers out defending her. the saying he the chancellor saying he wouldn't have the words wouldn't have used the words she's i she has she's chosen. so i think she has missteps , but quite badly in missteps, but quite badly in terms of what she's been saying. >> that lot of >> but you say that a lot of people country will people in this country will agree and feels like people in this country will agre their and feels like people in this country will agre their thas feels like people in this country will agre their thas been.s like that their voice has been diminished and there doesn't seem anyone says seem as soon as anyone says anything slightly anything that is slightly different to what the narrative is right to these

is right now, to keep these protests going , it seems like protests going, it seems like they to stop that they are trying to stop that that happening at all. >> i'm in favour of free speech for anybody who wants to it, for anybody who wants to use it, and allowed to and people should be allowed to say think on either say what they think on either side argument. say what they think on either sid> know, this >> exactly. but you know, this is day. have is armistice day. we have a situation where we're recognising not just the sacrifices people made for this country, the fact that country, but also the fact that we championed freedom of speech, freedom of assembly , the rights freedom of assembly, the rights we take for granted in this country. we have to remember those rights because they don't apply across the apply elsewhere across the world. we have privileges in world. we have got privileges in this country which been this country which have been hard and one of those hard won and one of those privileges to freedom of privileges is to freedom of assembly freedom to assembly and freedom to demonstrate. now and also, dare i say, the freedom to offend. and that's something that gb news, for example , has news, for example, has championed because we championed as well, because we have to have the ability to not just say what think, but to just say what we think, but to offend people. if we if it's something in. so something we believe in. so those what you said those protesters, what you said right there is what she's doing. >> braverman defending >> suella braverman is defending something in. she's something she believes in. she's a that. well in a way.

>> but, i mean, unfortunately, she's it from a position she's doing it from a position of that's of home secretary. and that's rather has of home secretary. and that's ra legal has of home secretary. and that's ra legal response has of home secretary. and that's ra legal response ability has of home secretary. and that's ralegal response ability and has a legal response ability and a position government . and by position in government. and by the collective cabinet the way, a collective cabinet response ability government, response ability in government, which not pursuing which apparently not pursuing because the article she wrote for the times was not cleared by the prime minister. >> stage of it was and >> the last stage of it was and it took out some of it was she took out some of the things, them was the things, but one of them was the comment where she compared the pro—palestinian protests to what happened. pro—palestinian protests to what happened . northern ireland. happened. northern ireland. northern ireland. yes. >> , i mean, that was the >> well, i mean, that was the bit wanted take out bit that he wanted to take out that in. that she left in. >> something >> but is that really something where you're going oh, where you're going to say, oh, she should be she should be resigning, after resigning, especially after what? what are number what? what are we on number nine? of these nine? ten? how many of these home have? home secretaries have we have? >> a lot, >> well, i know we've had a lot, but theresa may was, of course, my boss and stayed my boss at and she stayed in office secretary for office as home secretary for more years. it's more than five years. so it's perfectly that. perfectly possible to do that. but i have to say that suella braverman has also been whipping up comments about, example , up comments about, for example, people who are homeless, saying it's choice. i some people who are homeless, saying it':these choice. i some people who are homeless, saying it':these chho. i some people who are homeless, saying it':these chho are ome people who are homeless, saying it':these chho are homeless of these people who are homeless in streets ex—service in the streets are ex—service people come back from people who've come back from afghanistan iraq . they've afghanistan and iraq. they've got post—traumatic stress

disorder . got post—traumatic stress disorder. some of them got post—traumatic stress disorder . some of them have got post—traumatic stress disorder. some of them have come back homes because the back to broken homes because the wives have them or wives have left them or whatever. are whatever. you know, they are the people. the people. some of them are on the street. lifestyle street. they're not lifestyle choices . choices. >> but, but i have to >> but but, but but i have to really stop you that because really stop you in that because i remember there was somebody who appeared to homeless who was appeared to be homeless on went to see on the street. and i went to see if i could help put this person on the street. and i went to see if i (shelter. lp put this person on the street. and i went to see if i (shelter. this|t this person on the street. and i went to see if i (shelter. this is:his person on the street. and i went to see if i (shelter. this is just)erson on the street. and i went to see if i (shelter. this is just one>n in a shelter. this is just one of experiences. i'm not of my experiences. i'm not saying necessarily saying i don't necessarily agree with that with her statement. i think that was does was a bit callous, but she does make a point because i have offered somebody a homeless person to call a shelter for them, get them somebody. they didn't they didn't want to do it. they didn't want to do it. they didn't want to do it. they didn't want it. no, didn't want to do it. no, no, no, it's and when i've no, it's fine. and when i've told this told i've said about this person, yeah, person, they said, oh, yeah, yeah, come yeah, they don't want to come in. an element in. and so there is an element to it that that is a choice. but i whether she should i don't know whether she should have been saying that. >> have >> she shouldn't have been saying it, and it's irresponsible to have said it. and who are and there are people who are more mentally not well who are on the streets who may have taken that view. you know, nobody in their right mind, frankly, wants to sleep on the street. >> well, no, but i you and i, in our right minds. >> well, no, but i you and i, in our right minds . yeah. but there our right minds. yeah. but there are a lot of people who actually want be on the street in

want to be on the street in whatever they're and whatever mind they're in. and she that she makes a point that that that is, i think she's making valid is, i think she's making a valid point. is, i think she's making a valid poirfact that somebody like her the fact that somebody like her would actually mention that and make a point of that make a point of it so that people acknowledge it's not people acknowledge that it's not always always help always you can't always help people. would liked people. but i would have liked to an to her to put forward an alternate . if we're going to say alternate. if we're going to say that, then have something where people can go. >> to ask yourself why >> you have to ask yourself why she's making statements, she's making these statements, whether it's about the homelessness or it's about refugees about refugees or whether it's about the people who are marching. she's incendiary language. she's using incendiary language. and moment, and actually at the moment, because the people the because the people on the israeli side and the palestinian side both feel very strongly about happened about what's happened to them, both the appalling work both about the appalling work going on in gaza and the destruction of homes and deaths of children, but also the massacre people, innocent massacre of people, innocent people israel, people on both people in israel, people on both sides feel very strongly about that. and it's responsible to for view, for government, in my view, as a former to calm things former minister, to calm things down. not, not, not not pour down. not not, not, not not pour petrol flames, is petrol on the flames, which is what doing. petrol on the flames, which is whtmaybe doing. petrol on the flames, which is whtmaybe doingjust seeing >> maybe she's just seeing it from the perspective a of from the perspective of a lot of people and people in the general public and using language that the people can which

can understand, which is straightforward straight talking, which is lacking heavily. you've had days, you've had people today sorry, nana you've had people today who have been and been counter—protesting and they're the ones that police have had to deal with predominantly, far. predominantly, i think so far. but that might be because they're group and so they're a smaller group and so it's the police it's easier for the police to manage group, you've to manage that group, you've got to admit. that's the admit. and in fact, that's the point in her point that she made in her piece, are it seems point that she made in her pieceyou are it seems point that she made in her pieceyou know, are it seems point that she made in her pieceyou know, black: seems point that she made in her pieceyou know, black lives|s that, you know, black lives matter slightly left matter or anything slightly left leaning to get a softer touch. >> i don't think that's fair. and the police i think and the police actually i think the and the police try very clearly. and mark rowling this mark rowling is playing this week try to week as a commissioner. try to enforce the law. that's her duty to fear or to enforce a law without fear or favour. as one of your favour. and as one of your people moment ago, people said a moment ago, the guy ' people said a moment ago, the guy , what the guy from edinburgh, what the police this police do and i know this is a former the police will former minister, the police will identify who are causing identify people who are causing who are breaking the law , let's who are breaking the law, let's put it that way, breaking the law. they photograph them law. they will photograph them unnecessary and them unnecessary and chase them afterwards not safe afterwards because it's not safe necessarily, or good policing . necessarily, or a good policing. exactly. for them break exactly. for them to break a line. exactly a police line and go arrest that go and arrest them at that particular point. but if they've committed will committed an offence, they will be be pursued

be they will be pursued subsequent many are of them. >> so, so for example, the approach the people who are approach for the people who are supposedly on right of it is supposedly on the right of it is to and speak to them and have to go and speak to them and have a and whatever, a word with them and whatever, whatever then for whatever they do. but then for those because there's those who because there's a large them, is take those who because there's a léphotograph them, is take those who because there's a léphotograph .them, is take those who because there's a léphotograph . so m, is take those who because there's a léphotograph . so ii, is take those who because there's a léphotograph . so i think take those who because there's a léphotograph . so i think she's a photograph. so i think she's right. by own admission, right. by your own admission, what saying is that she's what you're saying is that she's she's because she's she's right because she's they're not going a they're not going to go into a crowd because foolish and crowd because it's foolish and instead going take instead they're going to take pictures. the approach is pictures. so the approach is obviously different because there to there are a larger group to a smaller they can smaller group. they can go in and that that will be. but consequence is be. but >> but the consequence is if someone's they someone's broken the law, they will charged. someone's broken the law, they wilithese charged. someone's broken the law, they wilithese are charged. someone's broken the law, they wilithese are but ged. someone's broken the law, they wilithese are but but not >> these people are but but not on because there's on the spot because there's a lot are chanting from lot of them are chanting from the sea they've the river to the sea and they've only or only got about 100 cells or something, 137 cells london only got about 100 cells or so puthing, 137 cells london only got about 100 cells or so put people? cells london only got about 100 cells or so put people away. london only got about 100 cells or so put people away. these|don only got about 100 cells or so put people away. these people to put people away. these people know to put people away. these people knoyeah, well, really >> yeah, well, it doesn't really matter whether they charge them now or charge them next week. they'll get charged with it. broken. . it's broken. broken. the law. it's true. they should. true. so they should. >> you're >> it's true. but when you're watching it, you'll see the police who police going in on people who are right and are supposedly to the right and you'll see them taking photographs are photographs of people who are supposedly because photographs of people who are suppothatl because photographs of people who are suppothat group because photographs of people who are suppothat group smalleruse photographs of people who are suppothat group smaller .;e photographs of people who are suppothat group smaller. so those that group are smaller. so that's i'm saying. may that's what i'm saying. she may have look have a point that it does look different. i mean, it looks different. i mean, it looks diffirent different. i mean, it looks diffi think i think the police >> i think i think the police

have difficult have got a very difficult job and they're handling it and i think they're handling it quite think the quite well. and i think the following their duty without fear . that's honest fear or favour. that's my honest opinion fear or favour. that's my honest opiiand what about you then, >> and what about you then, yourself, your journey into politics? easy journey? >> no, it wasn't. i mean, look, she wanted to be elected as an mp. you don't stand as a liberal democrat . stand know, democrat. you stand you know, you a safe seat for you find a safe seat for a conservative labour seat . conservative or a labour seat. you know, there no safe lib you know, there are no safe lib dem seats apart from possibly orkney and shetland. >> any lib dems >> are there any lib dems around? them anywhere. >> well, there are. i mean, there's them. there's not enough of them. there i say that might change there's not enough of them. therethe ay that might change there's not enough of them. therethe election night change there's not enough of them. therethe election becauseinge after the election because we've been doing rather well in by elections the elections recently. and by the way if look the way, if you look at the by—election you will see by—election trend, you will see that swings to lib dems and that the swings to lib dems and seats been much seats we've won have been much greater than swings labour greater than swings to labour and i think there's there's and i think there's more there's more conservative prepared to switch to lib dems switch to switch to lib dems and switch to labour there's great labour and there's not a great deal of confidence in keir starmer. so . i starmer. i don't think so. i think we will do quite well for the election . but you know, the next election. but you know, you your question , you come back to your question, no, easy, an easy no, it wasn't an easy, an easy journey me, the end journey for me, but in the end you stand up for what you believe plant your believe in and you plant your

flag, as it were, and you you say people, is where say to people, this is where i believe and rally around me. and if get elected. and if you do, you get elected. and that and i've that was the outcome. and i've you know, i had 18 years as mp. iended you know, i had 18 years as mp. i ended up as a minister and two departments and, you know, i think i've i couldn't have asked for any more. well it's normal. >> we couldn't ask for any more. but i'd to. love we're to but i'd to. love we're going to chat going chat more as well. i'm going to bnng chat more as well. i'm going to bring you back when have bring you back when we have a good a tete a good old tete a tete a tete a tete even. yeah. thank tete even. but yeah. thank you very lovely to very much, norman. lovely to talk to you. so much more to talk about. but we will do it again. you'll come in again. hopefully you'll come in again. hopefully you'll come in again. come again? again. hopefully you'll come in agali. come again? again. hopefully you'll come in agali. thank:ome again? again. hopefully you'll come in agali. thank:omefor again? again. hopefully you'll come in agali. thank:omefor asking again. hopefully you'll come in again. thank:omefor asking again. hopefully you'll come in again. thank: thank you so much. that, of course, baker. he's course, was norman baker. he's the former liberal democrat minister. more minister. this is gb news more to come. lizzie cundy and matthew panel . matthew laza are my panel. >> hello there . i'm jonathan >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . hope you've been met office. hope you've been enjoying conditions enjoying the fine conditions pretty much all of us have seen today. pretty much all of us have seen today . going to be turning today. it is going to be turning more though, more unsettled, though, as we head and head throughout this evening and overnight. a band of heavy rain sweeping in the sweeping its way in from the southwest, into england southwest, pushing into england and southern areas of wales will turn windy around coastal turn quite windy around coastal

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by glob d by good afternoon, it's 4:00. >> this is the gb news on tv, onune >> this is the gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion.

it's mine. it's theirs. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs . and of it's mine. it's theirs. and of course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at times we will disagree. but no one will cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy, also former labour party adviser matthew lazar. but before we get started, let's get your latest news with . aaron news with. aaron >> good afternoon to you. >> good afternoon to you. >> it's 4:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. >> hundreds of thousands of pro—palestinian protesters are marching through central london demanding a ceasefire in the middle east. >> the rally, which coincides with day , is one of with armistice day, is one of the biggest political marches in british history. chant ing and british history. a chant ing and waving placards . the waving placards. the demonstrators began in hyde park , and they're slowly making their way to the us embassy in nine elms that is south of the river. almost 2000 officers have been deployed across the weekend to prevent violent behaviour . to prevent violent behaviour. meanwhile, the home secretary

has been accused of stoking tensions and emboldening the far right. it's after a counter protesters clashed with officers at various locations around central london, including westminster and whitehall . the westminster and whitehall. the met police say 82 people have been arrested in pimlico to prevent a breach of the peace. the scottish first minister, humza yousaf is calling for suella bravermans resignation given the london mayor says the scenes of disorder are a direct result of the home secretary's words . meanwhile scuffles broke words. meanwhile scuffles broke out earlier between police and counter—protesters trying to gain access to the cenotaph. the met police says officers faced aggression in significant numbers. the force added the demonstrators weren't part of one cohesive group . officers are one cohesive group. officers are continuing to track and monitor them . the events didn't mar them. the events didn't mar today's two minute silence, which police say was respectfully observed .

respectfully observed. at on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, marking the end of world war i. the uk paused for armistice day to honour those who've served in the conflict. world war ii veteran john dennett says the servicemen and women who made the sacrifice this must the ultimate sacrifice this must always be remembered. >> we must never forget what happened. >> we must never forget what happened . years ago through all happened. years ago through all the wars that enabled us to be where we are. like we're lucky . where we are. like we're lucky. and the kids, i hope i always said to the kids without remembrance and remember it because if you don't , you because if you don't, you wouldn't be here if it wasn't for those lads who gave their life like and it runs into

thousands. >> a mother who was found dead by her two children in manchester has been named by police. her perseverance nick gibb was found with a single stab injury in little hulton near salford in the early hours of yesterday morning . the 35 of yesterday morning. the 35 year old was taken to hospital where she later died. police say 45 year old man who fled the scene has been arrested on suspicion murder and remains suspicion of murder and remains in . the funeral of in custody. the funeral of a teenager who was stabbed on her way to school has been held in south london. elianne addams family and friends gathered to pay family and friends gathered to pay their respects to the 15 year old who was killed in croydon in september. a 17 year old has been charged with old boy has been charged with her murder and due to appear her murder and is due to appear in court month. crowds have in court next month. crowds have lined the streets of london for the historic lord mayor's show . the historic lord mayor's show. the event, which started in the 13th century, includes a colourful three mile parade before the new lord mayor of the city is sworn in. the mayor rides in the same golden state

coach that's been used in every show since 1757. the new lord mayor is alderman michael moeen . mayor is alderman michael moeen. ali with his gb news on tv on digital radio, and on your smart speaken digital radio, and on your smart speaker, too. that's it for me for the moment. now it's back to nana. >> thank you, aaron. it's just coming up to five minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv onune 4:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. nana akua . here we go again. the nana akua. here we go again. the conservative party are about to eat itself from the inside out as chants within their own party call for suella bravermans resignation once again doing sir keir starmer's work for him as people from him, his and other opposing parties jump on the get rid of suella bandwagon. in true westminster bubble style. in an article in the times this week, suella dared to point out the

clear soft touch policing which appears to be applied to marches with a more left wing bias. remember black lives matter. even during covid lockdowns, when people were banned from the streets. pop on a blm t—shirt and that's okay. then just stop oil holding up millions and police doing very little. and this latest crop of pro—palestine marches , which for pro—palestine marches, which for the last few weekends have been marred by chants from the river to the sea, which basically means death to all jews in israel. and calls for intifada and also jihad suella described these as hate marches and urged these as hate marches and urged the metropolitan police commissioner to stop them. but because suella didn't get the final draft of the piece in the paper signed off by rishi's team and ignored number ten's requests to remove a section which compared the pro—palestine marches with northern ireland on this triviality, which many would probably agree with. there are calls for her to resign and if successful , we must now have if successful, we must now have home secretary number. what is it? eight, nine, ten, 11. i've

just lost count. where are we now ? and who does actually now? and who does that actually help ? if goes well, now? and who does that actually heljthe ? if goes well, now? and who does that actually heljthe labor? if goes well, now? and who does that actually heljthe labor party, goes well, now? and who does that actually heljthe labor party, of oes well, now? and who does that actually heljthe labor party, of course, l, it's the labor party, of course, who aptly joined in on the call. a cabinet minister instead of backing her up, claimed that she had embarrassed rishi and that she had lost it. had embarrassed rishi and that she had lost it . well, i'm sick she had lost it. well, i'm sick of it . somebody, somewhere needs of it. somebody, somewhere needs to tell them that suella braverman is saying what many of us are thinking . she speaks for us are thinking. she speaks for a large proportion of the population. her plain language on it of invasions and hate marches is the language of the ordinary man . she gives a voice ordinary man. she gives a voice in government to people like me, and frankly, she's one of the last things, if not the only thing the hope thing that is keeping the hope that have a shred that the tory party have a shred of conservativism alive. of conservativism left alive. but . the party are good at that. but. the party are good at that. they got rid of boris foolishly. if they were worried about being a few points behind in the polls, then take a look at where they are now. you can hardly say that was good decision that that was a good decision when capitulated to the when they capitulated to the mass pile on on boris. i can't be bothered to mention the

embarrassing fiasco that followed. laughable and followed. its his laughable and now they've got their teeth into suella again so they might as well join the labour party. it's as though they've they've joined them cahoots with them and are in cahoots with them and are in cahoots with them . kia literally them anyway. kia literally doesn't to do anything , doesn't have to do anything, which is what he has been doing because he his because every time he opens his mouth reminds you of the mess mouth it reminds you of the mess the party are in. all he mouth it reminds you of the mess the to party are in. all he mouth it reminds you of the mess the to do party are in. all he mouth it reminds you of the mess the to do is'arty are in. all he mouth it reminds you of the mess the to do is sity are in. all he mouth it reminds you of the mess the to do is sit back in. all he mouth it reminds you of the mess the to do is sit back and.ll he mouth it reminds you of the mess the to do is sit back and watch has to do is sit back and watch the tory fight like cats in a sack , ignoring what i believe sack, ignoring what i believe the conservatives in their party and the conservative voters want . well, i've got a message for the tory party back off and leave suella alone . let her get leave suella alone. let her get on with protecting our country and our borders because right now she appears to be the only thing that is giving you any hope of winning the next general election . and get rid of her. election. and get rid of her. and your toast . at well before and your toast. at well before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british

debate. this i'm asking, today for the great british desuella'his i'm asking, today for the great british desuella bravermann asking, today for the great british desuella braverman righting, today for the great british desuella braverman right to ], is suella braverman right to describe the pro—palestine marches as hate filled ? the home marches as hate filled? the home secretary has been criticised for an article in the times where she described the pro—palestinian demonstrations as hate marches, but far as hate marches, but so far today, pro—palestine protests have held in the streets across the capital, coinciding with the remembrance weekend. and so far they seem quite peaceful. so i'm asking , is they seem quite peaceful. so i'm asking, is suella they seem quite peaceful. so i'm asking , is suella braverman asking, is suella braverman right to describe them as hate filled ? then at 450, it's royal filled? then at 450, it's royal roundup time. and angela levin will be live in the studio. there's always something going on behind those palace walls and on behind those palace walls and on menu includes a ruling on the menu includes a ruling by a high court judge that prince harry's of unlawful harry's claims of unlawful information gathering against the daily mail can be go ahead to a full trial . meanwhile, the to a full trial. meanwhile, the guardian has been sniffing around trying to find out the cost of royal protection . in all cost of royal protection. in all of that and all the stories across the week coming up on as even across the week coming up on as ever. tell me what you think of everything we're discussing. i've a exciting guest i've got a very exciting guest as coming up at 5:00 in

as well, coming up at 5:00 in this difficult this week's difficult conversation , i'll be speaking conversation, i'll be speaking to sister of whitney to the half sister of whitney houston. yes that is true. the half sister. she'll be live in the studio. plus, i'll be speaking to an ex hamas supporter and we'll get his take on those marches . so tell supporter and we'll get his take on those marches. so tell me what you think of everything we're email we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com tweet me gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. all gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. all right. gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. all right. let's at. gb news. all right. let's get started . let's welcome again get started. let's welcome again to my panel . well, only matthew to my panel. well, only matthew lala at the moment . matthew lala at the moment. matthew llausas is a lovely lizzie cundy. i think she's caught up in bit of that. it's bit in a bit of that. it's a bit thick for those marches. she will be here. be us will be here. she'll be with us soon. take on soon. so. so what's your take on on and her on on suella braverman and her calling marches hate calling the marches hate marches, hate filled marches , marches, hate filled marches, because that's what she believes they are . and the fact that it they are. and the fact that it seems her own party and others are talking about getting rid of her. >> well, look, i think she has to reason that to go for the simple reason that she has made the prime minister look like a fool. and having worked leader a worked for the leader of a party, not the only

party, well, she's not the only one that's done that. that may be mean, i mean, i think be true. i mean, i mean, i think you said in your in your monologue , nana she sang monologue, nana that she sang what a lot of people think that may is i'm sure that's may that is i'm sure that's true. problem she's the true. the problem is she's the home thing home secretary the key thing is, is crossed line is whether she crossed the line of interference with of political interference with the police by telling them what they should and, you know, telling they telling them what marches they should, how they should and shouldn't doing one shouldn't be doing it. it's one thing them to thing for her to hold them to account another account later, but it's another thing it thing to pre—empt that as it happens. happening is happens. what's happening is that is today. that sadiq khan is out today. there have been 82 arrests or roughly people , roughly 82 arrests of people, sort of protests . sort of far right protests. >> it was not fair to call them far it ? far right, is it? >> well, i think some of them are around are centred around tommy robinson, there. robinson, who seems to be there. but some of them but but the sort of some of them , absolutely. , you know, absolutely. the counter protests and now people on left , people saying this on the left, people saying this significantly to the left of me are like sadiq khan are all saying , oh, that's all a direct saying, oh, that's all a direct result suella words , which result of suella words, which is over she's over the top. but she's given them that opportunity. she's given . given them that oxygen. >> well, we've got some footage now. somebody protest now. somebody there in a protest who blood on his who sort of got blood on his face, his head. like

face, on his head. he looks like maybe counter maybe one of the counter protesters do maybe one of the counter prot not rs do maybe one of the counter prot not rs i do maybe one of the counter prot not rs i was do maybe one of the counter prot not rs i was talking do maybe one of the counter prot not rs i was talking to you not think i was talking to norman baker? the point that i made that they are made to him was that they are not go in on the not going to go in on the pro—palestinian because pro—palestinian protests because there's they're there's more of them. so they're going photographs of the going to take photographs of the pro—palestinian protests. but it looks they're more looks to me like they're more likely on the looks to me like they're more like right on the looks to me like they're more like right or on the looks to me like they're more like right or right on the looks to me like they're more like right or right wing the far right or the right wing or the protests and that's the counter protests and that's the counter protests and that's the point suella also made , the point that suella also made, that seems to be a that there seems to be like a two level policing, two tier level of policing, a soft touch when comes a soft touch when it comes to a more leaning protesters. soft touch when it comes to a more i'm ning protesters. soft touch when it comes to a more i'm not| protesters. soft touch when it comes to a more i'm not sure esters. soft touch when it comes to a more i'm not sure that's. soft touch when it comes to a more i'm not sure that those >> well, i'm not sure that those of us on would say that of us on the left would say that over decades over the over decades that people soft left people have been soft on left leaningwe're talking now >> but we're talking about now we're right now. >> but we're talking about now we' i! right now. >> but we're talking about now we' i! the right now. >> but we're talking about now we'ie the met right now. >> but we're talking about now we'ie the met got it now. >> but we're talking about now we'ie the met got things >> i think the met got things wrong few weeks of wrong in the first few weeks of these think they these protests. i think they rather the first one rather hoped that the first one was peaceful. the was going to be peaceful. the very was where they very first one was where they put the cenotaph i >> k really , you know, in >> and that really, you know, in the lead up to any time, particularly in the lead up to remembrance day, was completely wrong. >> it seems to me that the route that they've taken today. so the main pro—palestinian protest is not being allowed anywhere near the cenotaph or down whitehall, which actually the met were saying it could for a while. so

in fact, being sent an alternative route, it's being sent from hyde park much more controlled through a secondary route . so i've just been in them route. so i've just been in them in london, although in central london, although there's once there's traffic chaos once you're once you're on foot, it's kind know, normal kind of, you know, it's a normal it's in most of the it's a normal day in most of the west end . so i think that's much west end. so i think that's much more sensible . and the other more sensible. and the other thing they may have this thing they may have done this week they do week, which they didn't do in previous weeks, is they've issued and the british issued and so and the british transport issued transport police, they've issued pre—emptive so that pre—emptive orders so that people can't go and sit down on the railway stations, which we saw week with the poppies protesters. >> but suella braverman is talking about what happened in the previous weeks because and she's using that as a guide as to whether these should go ahead. was absolutely ahead. and she was absolutely right they hate—filled right. they were hate—filled marchers. were absolutely marchers. they were absolutely people were fireworks. >> it's not the hate filled that's got that, i think. >> well, that's part of it, >> well, that's all part of it, though, yeah. though, isn't it? yeah. >> thing got though, isn't it? yeah. >> have thing got though, isn't it? yeah. >> have to thing got though, isn't it? yeah. >> have to resigning got though, isn't it? yeah. >>have to resign is| got though, isn't it? yeah. >>have to resign is the got though, isn't it? yeah. >> have to resign is the factiot to have to resign is the fact that criticised the that she criticised the met directly and was and was to directly and was and was seen to trying give orders. trying to give them orders. >> but whether it's not >> but whether or not it's not the of article, the content of the article, there article

the content of the article, ther(a article the content of the article, ther(a labour article the content of the article, ther(a labour frontbenchericle the content of the article, ther(a has)ur frontbenchericle the content of the article, them has to frontbenchericle the content of the article, them has to fro signed 1ericle the content of the article, them has to fro signed off cle writes has to be signed off by the office. that the leader's office. that happened saw it was the happened when he saw it was the final didn't get final draft that he didn't get to what and there were final draft that he didn't get to that what and there were final draft that he didn't get to that weret and there were final draft that he didn't get to that were taken.:here were final draft that he didn't get to that were taken. theywere bits that were taken. they potentially that last bit. i mean even the times had said that she was told the that she was told to take the last out and they didn't that she was told to take the last it out and they didn't that she was told to take the last it out. and they didn't that she was told to take the last it out. soj they didn't that she was told to take the last it out. so the ay didn't that she was told to take the last it out. so the bitiidn't that she was told to take the last it out. so the bit about take it out. so the bit about the northern ireland comparison with the protests , but let's be with the protests, but let's be honest here, is that really what we are doing, looking at this minutia of detail? what about for the good of the country , for for the good of the country, for god's sake? i think she's doing a generally. a very good job generally. >> shouldn't had is it >> we shouldn't have had is it number eight 9 or 10 where we number eight or 9 or 10 where we are lost? number eight or 9 or 10 where we are kevin secretary of >> kevin culture, secretary of education and secretary it's crazy, . you're you're crazy, terrible. you're you're absolutely right. it's completely insane. >> well, that's why nothing gets done. >> let's remember, had done. >> iprimeemember, had done. >> iprime ministers had done. >> iprime ministers in had done. >> iprime ministers in this1ad done. >> iprime ministers in this ini five prime ministers in this in this government. is it we've lost count. try and forget lost count. we try and forget about the one last as you about the one last summer as you said, there. said, who was so briefly there. i said, who was so briefly there. | , said, who was so briefly there. i , the trouble is, is once i mean, the trouble is, is once the prime minister has lost authority even over what seems like a small process thing, it means lost control of means that he's lost control of his government therefore ,

his government and therefore, now she'll have to she'll have to go. think i don't to go. what i think i don't think what i think and i don't to go. what i think i don't think shet i think and i don't to go. what i think i don't think she shouldk and i don't to go. what i think i don't think she shouldk and i think to go. what i think i don't thinkmove houldk and i think to go. what i think i don't thinkmove houldka nd i think to go. what i think i don't think move houldka wider1ink he'll move her in a wider reshuffle this coming week. i think, or in the next two weeks. he'll do he'll do it. he'll it will you won't get rid him will be you won't get rid of him in the 24 hours. will be you won't get rid of him in tbut 24 hours. will be you won't get rid of him in tbut it'd 24 hours. will be you won't get rid of him in tbut it'd be hours. will be you won't get rid of him in tbut it'd be madness she >> but it'd be madness if she goes, because ultimately they will be toast. remember she was sacked once already. will be toast. remember she was sac remember, ready. will be toast. remember she was sac remember, liziy. will be toast. remember she was sac remember, liz truss? and that was. >> and that was a bit of a trivial triviality as well. a lot of us, a lot us watching trivial triviality as well. a lot oihappened us watching trivial triviality as well. a lot oihappened there watching trivial triviality as well. a lot oihappened there watc beg what happened there will be thinking these are very some trivial they're trivial issues that they're being sacked on these are being sacked on and these are very important jobs they're doing. that they doing. and i think that they need about good need to think about the good of the they're doing the country when they're doing these as said, these things, because as i said, number eight, nine, ten, i totally know. i can't totally don't know. i can't be bothered there's bothered to look because there's so them. i just can't be so many of them. i just can't be bothered. but we need to question quiz. bothered. but we need to que maybe quiz. bothered. but we need to que maybe qui why? >> maybe we can. why? >> maybe we can. why? >> easy to rid >> why it's so easy to get rid of. don't is of. i don't think this is a sackable thing. this is sackable thing. i think this is something i think she something where i think she wants under wants to get sacked under because wants to because i think she wants to because i think she wants to because she wants to be the next leader of the tory party and the tory you know, leader of the tory party and the torthe you know, leader of the tory party and the torthe right you know, leader of the tory party and the torthe right there. you know, on the right there. >> know, the tory membership >> you know, the tory membership are they're conservative are well, they're conservative with absolutely liberal, with the absolutely liberal, unlike maybe some, you know, some the commentariat . so some of the commentariat. so i think she knows what she's

doing. to the tory doing. she's playing to the tory gallery be gallery and she wants to be the next. fact, she's next. so she in fact, she's trying to say, at me, you trying to say, come at me, you know, to prove hard you and know, to prove how hard you and once that once you've got that in politics, the politics, whether it's the opposition government, opposition or the government, you , it's unsustainable. you know, it's unsustainable. and so she will have to go. >> there was interesting >> there was an interesting sketch, somebody i don't know whether it was on twitter or whatever suella whatever, but it was suella braverman. rishi braverman. she was holding rishi sunak was little sunak hand like he was a little child was a lot smaller child and he was a lot smaller than he probably than her, which he is probably to probably like to be fair, is probably like the way it together way they put it together was probably way , probably life size in a way, it's pretty accurate. proportionately and she was holding hand and was holding his hand and so she was his her child. his child. he was her child. well, i mean, that's she's he's either agree her and back either got to agree her and back her, which unlikely. her, which is unlikely. >> doesn't or >> but say it doesn't matter or he's of her. but he's got to get rid of her. but at saying at the moment he's saying nothing. and that's the problem is when there's a vacuum, that's what in politics, what happens in politics, because their two because everybody puts their two penny in. penny worth in. >> wise him to back >> isn't it wise for him to back her, though, because he needs her? >> i think if he wants to appeal to of the party, to the right of the party, that's the route he wants to go down. he will a of course he will alienate a lot of the more liberal tories, but they're but the more liberal tories, but theyproblem but the more liberal tories, but theyproblem with but the more liberal tories, but theyproblem with that but the problem with that is they don't want don't represent what people want in conservative government.

don't represent what people want in soynservative government. don't represent what people want in soynservyour, government. >> so your, your, you're alienating people. alienating a couple of people. again, it again, this is why i called it a westminster because westminster bubble, because you're liberals you're alienating the liberals within party, which do not within your party, which do not represent majority of represent what the majority of your voters would i think your voters would want. i think if a record of success, if you had a record of success, he would to. he would be able to. >> rwanda. he would be able to. >> we're rwanda. he would be able to. >> we're listening rwanda. he would be able to. >> we're listening fnowia. he would be able to. >> we're listening fnow ,i. >> we're listening to it now, that's why. >> i we're expecting >> so i think we're expecting the about from the the judgement about from the supreme court about whether or not ahead not the rwanda plan can go ahead on the on wednesday. i think that's the key . i think all eyes key this week. i think all eyes will be on that. think if the will be on that. i think if the plan supreme court plan if the supreme court says yes it makes for it yes, it makes it harder for it to move it. if it says no, then clearly there's another reason to that to move it, which is that her flagship dead. to move it, which is that her fla(well, dead. to move it, which is that her fla(well, what dead. to move it, which is that her fla(well, what aboutad. to move it, which is that her fla(well, what about there's >> well, what about there's a european can't european country. i can't remember which one is that remember which one it is that has they aren't has just got their they aren't moving somewhere has just got their they aren't movito somewhere has just got their they aren't movito another somewhere else to another country. >> is going to be doing >> italy is going to be doing camps albania the germans camps in albania and the germans have their have just toughened up their policy looked at suella >> so they've looked at suella concept and said, yeah, do concept and said, yeah, we'll do that wrong with that and why? what's wrong with rwanda? isn't. albania is rwanda? there isn't. albania is nothing wrong with albania. if these ahead, they're these ideas go ahead, they're these ideas go ahead, they're the ones that put the well, i say we should channel say we should turn the channel islands know , because islands into, you know, because the don't the channel islands people don't want people to the want people to live on the channel. want people to live on the chai nel. but know, there >> i know, but you know, there between there in the channel, i

think the problem the problem is very small. my house is very that's what everyone says. >> a but . >> i haven't got a room, but. the issue with rwanda is that it's going to be hugely expensive. >> it's because it's such a long way if people are in way away. if people are in albania literally going way away. if people are in albthe| literally going way away. if people are in albthe boat literally going way away. if people are in albthe boat are rally going way away. if people are in albthe boat are rally gput| off the boat and are being put in straight to our base. >> really issue >> it's not really the issue that too expensive. i think that it's too expensive. i think that's a smokescreen for the reality almost reality that i think it's almost almost would say that almost i actually would say that people are slightly racist by saying that they shouldn't to saying that they shouldn't go to rwanda racist as rwanda as they're racist as their terrible their rwanda is a terrible country, the people maybe country, had the people maybe been and different, been fair skinned and different, i genuinely i think that there's i genuinely there be something in there might be something in that. there's element that. >> there might be, because before you'd heard before you'd even heard anything, they were saying, oh, no, beautiful country anything, they were saying, oh, no, they beautiful country anything, they were saying, oh, no, they b(theiful country anything, they were saying, oh, no, they b(the facilities:ry and they have all the facilities there of there and they've got plenty of space people. would be space for people. it would be the most offputting for the most offputting thing for people the people who wanted to cross the channel they're people who wanted to cross the chann back they're people who wanted to cross the chann back somewhere they're going back somewhere near where they've , then going they've come from, then going somewhere island somewhere to some small island they're probably never go to . no they're probably never go to. no one ever goes anywhere. >> hundred but >> a few hundred people. but if the deterrent effect well, initially, then it will initially, then it will initially, will. if it initially, then it will . if it acts as a deterrent, then it will be a success for the

government. the deterrent needs to numbers to happen because the numbers that are actually going to be there kind of there won't be enough to kind of get people out of hotels. get rid of people out of hotels. i how's the i think it's the how's the barge? now barge? is the barge now operational ? operational? >> so. but i think >> well, i hope so. but i think they've on >> well, i hope so. but i think theybarge on >> well, i hope so. but i think theybarge now. on >> well, i hope so. but i think theybarge now. but on >> well, i hope so. but i think theybarge now. but think on the barge now. but i think actually, don't think you actually, i don't think it's you know, because even though there's only 50 or how many people that can go rwanda, people that can go to rwanda, it's the that can it's the notion that you can send people somewhere else. so that well, that opens the door. well, that's the point that's what and that's the point that's what and that's the point that she's making. and i think she point, she makes a good point, as you've seen with other countries doing same thing. you've seen with other countries doing that's e thing. you've seen with other countries doing that's that'sg. i >> and that's that's what i mean. court says >> and that's that's what i meeon court says >> and that's that's what i meeon wednesday, court says >> and that's that's what i meeon wednesday, that'srrt says >> and that's that's what i meeon wednesday, that's clearly yes on wednesday, that's clearly a shot their arm. a big shot in their arm. >> should yes, >> well, they should say yes, because in of because saying of staying in of staying think they should staying in, i think they should say it say yes, because otherwise it does to smack slight bit does to me smack of a slight bit of racism, but let's . of racism, really. but let's. what think, though? gb what do you think, though? gb views gbnews.com or tweet me at gb lovely lizzie cundy gb news. the lovely lizzie cundy will be shortly once she will be here shortly once she gets let's gets through the traffic. let's hope. nana if hope. but i'm nana akua if you've coming up you've just tuned in, coming up to 19 minutes after 4:00. up next, it's for the great next, it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm suella right i'm asking what's suella right to the marchers to be to call for the marchers to be banned? to pull up banned? i've got to pull up right x asking you that

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gb news radio. >> good afternoon. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua now . before the break we were discussing with regard to suella braverman and i wanted to know what you think. do you think that she should go? should she be forced to resign? get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.com or tweet at gb news. i'll try tweet me at gb news. i'll try and pick up some of emails and pick up some of your emails and pick up some of your emails and saying and see what you've been saying because interesting and see what you've been saying be hearz interesting and see what you've been saying be hear what interesting and see what you've been saying be hear what your interesting and see what you've been saying be hear what your thoughtsing and see what you've been saying be hear what your thoughts are to hear what your thoughts are on because frankly, on the subject because frankly, i you think she should i mean, do you think she should go, we've got in go, let's see what we've got in the can see anything go, let's see what we've got in the now. can see anything go, let's see what we've got in the now. let's an see anything go, let's see what we've got in the now. let's see.e anything go, let's see what we've got in the now. let's see. oh, |ything right now. let's see. oh, i shall come to that. here we go. let's have a look in my inbox.

right. so let's see. oh, oh, oh, oh. let's see. john says mark says, of course suella is right. and the lib dem mp you had on earlier claiming that there aren't lib dems in aren't many lib dems in parliament false. i parliament is patently false. i don't think that there are hundreds of them on tory benches . yes, you do make a good point. let's see. let's see. pam says. i agree with everything you say about suella. i wish they would leave her alone and get on with the job. i do not agree with matthew comments about matthew lal's comments about labour clean labour aren't squeaky clean either . i labour aren't squeaky clean either. i absolutely labour aren't squeaky clean either . i absolutely agree with either. i absolutely agree with you and on banning the you there and on banning the march, any march to do with wars in other countries should be banned. that is from jo. keep them coming. gb views gbnews.com. but right now it's time for the great british debate. i'm asking what suella braverman right to describe the pro—palestine marches as hateful . and now the home secretary has been criticised for an extraordinary the extraordinary article in the times as i thought it was actually quite good. i don't think all. think it's extraordinary at all.

i very good. i thought it was just very good. whereas she described pro—palestine marches, demonstrations hate marches. demonstrations as hate marches. shadow home secretary yvette cooper has called braverman out of all, whilst labour of control all, whilst labour leader starmer says that leader keir starmer says that rishi sunak is too weak to challenge her. even bravermans own party have against own party have turned against her with conservative mp bob neill position is now neill saying her position is now untenable. that's him. a untenable. well, that's him. a lot of other people would think that speaking lot of that she's speaking for a lot of british people . so for the great british people. so for the great british people. so for the great british i'm british debate this hour, i'm asking braverman asking, was suella braverman right describe the marches as right to describe the marches as hate ? well, joining me to hate filled? well, joining me to discuss former adviser for discuss this, former adviser for the dr. roger the bank of england, dr. roger gunho, former minister for europe, denis macshane, and political commentator peter spencen political commentator peter spencer. morning to all of spencer. good morning to all of you. i'm going to start with you. i'm going to start with you. macshane, you. denis macshane, good morning. good morning. good afternoon. we are. afternoon. well, there we are. >> it's heavy day today. >> it's a heavy day today. >> it's a heavy day today. >> now, dennis, what do you think? >> very simply, i'm delighted suella is there because since she's been home secretary, the labour gets wider and wider labour lead gets wider and wider and wider . today, i think is and wider. today, i think is a fantastic victory for britain .

fantastic victory for britain. >> we were told you can't have a devil nation. we were told the capital was going to be in flames. we've had that wonderful british business over three, four, 500 years of peacefully demonstrating to big events and they've gone off reasonably well . the only extremists seem to be a handful of suella braverman fans who had to be arrested by the police and taken away the extreme right . i the police and taken away the extreme right. i think she's great calling them the extreme right. >> they're not necessarily these well, we don't know yet. >> we don't know. >> we don't know. >> they're counter—protest. well, the police police are going said. going on what the police said. >> that >> and they made very clear that these people were there a these people were there for a political . political motivation. >> they talking about peace. they weren't talking about >> they weren't talking about israel. >> they weren't talking about israand you can see this right >> and you can see this right now, dennis, is you're talking i can see someone chanting from the river sea all this. >> well, the point about this offensive the river to the offensive from the river to the sea age old zionist claim. sea is an age old zionist claim. >> read likud , the most >> if you read likud, the most right wing the parties in right wing of the parties in israel their number israel, it's in their number article number one its article number one of its constitution . from the river to constitution. from the river to the sea was always was what

jewish scientists , israelis jewish scientists, israelis wanted. they could have all the land from the jordan to in century history. >> no, no, you might be quoting history, but also not history. very recent history. >> you might be saying that. >> but you might be saying that. but that the jewish but we know that the jewish people it deeply offensive. but we know that the jewish peope it deeply offensive. but we know that the jewish peop think it deeply offensive. but we know that the jewish peop think onieeply offensive. but we know that the jewish peop think on that .y offensive. but we know that the jewish peop think on that basis nsive. and i think on that basis already, much. dr. already, it's too much. dr. roger well, i think that , roger gewolb well, i think that, first of all, what you said, dennis, with respect is ridiculous . ridiculous. >> but moving on, i think that i think suella i think that suella we won't know whether she was we won't know whether she was right until the end of today. and the march is over. but it does it does look quite peaceful . the does look quite peaceful. the problem is that the march is basically all about demand . a basically all about demand. a ceasefire, fire. and i don't know how in the world you can have a ceasefire with an enemy that says they want to do this again and again. i haven't that says they want to do this again and again . i haven't heard again and again. i haven't heard anyone else say this, but you might as well have a march

tomorrow demanding that zelenskyy stop fighting putin because the two situations are identical . identical. >> and the other thing is, rogen >> and the other thing is, roger, when someone describes something as hate filled, just because it's going along peacefully doesn't mean that it's not full of hate. so when people are chanting from the river sea and that, river to the sea and all that, not just they're doing river to the sea and all that, ncin ust they're doing river to the sea and all that, ncin what they're doing river to the sea and all that, ncin what appears1ey're doing river to the sea and all that, ncin what appears1ey're a)ing it in what appears to be a peaceful way, it doesn't mean that you . that they don't hate you. >> i'm correct . and the police >> i'm correct. and the police are not doing anything about it, whereas they are being, as suella says , being very forceful suella says, being very forceful with the edl. >> well, that's i mean , that's >> well, that's i mean, that's what i'm saying. but peter spencen what i'm saying. but peter spencer, am i wrong ? spencer, am i wrong? >> well, i mean , i think the >> well, i mean, i think the real thing is that suella braverman, it was not her call. >> whether this these this protest took place or not any more than it was rishi sunak the police in uk have operational independence in contrast. >> so we say to france , where >> so we say to france, where where monsieur blot is told what to do by the politicos and the

police decides and hopefully it will turn out to be rightly that there was not enough evidence to ban the pro—palestinian march that said , i don't actually that said, i don't actually think that anything that suella braverman has said or done recently has anything much to do with palestine or israel for that matter. >> it's to do with her bid for the leadership . she has staked the leadership. she has staked a claim very firmly on the right of the party. i suspect predicated on the assumption that the polls are right. >> the labour party will sorry, the labour party will get a get a clear victory at the next election . election. >> sunak will step down and she can step into the frame as as as the candidate, the right wing candidate with the tory party membership and given that they generally are to the right of the of the overall electorate, there's a very good chance she would actually win. what this does to the tory party , i does to the tory party, i suspect, is we've heard voices from either side supporting or opposing her. what i suspect

that the tory party always traded as a broad church, but i think what we're looking at here is something closer to the temple in the bible . after temple in the bible. after samson had done his stuff . samson had done his stuff. >> i think that's well, dennis well, i was in spain last weekend and there's a huge row there because the socialist prime minister won the election in july. >> the conservatives tried to block him being invested as prime minister. that's normal politics. he's relying on the votes of six catalan mps . think votes of six catalan mps. think of them as northern irish. >> very, very simple, right? >> very, very simple, right? >> get to the point. >> get to the point. >> the conservative party organised a mass demonstration . organised a mass demonstration. violence firebombs. the police waited outside. my point is that if this demo was in france , if this demo was in france, they'd be using water cannons. >> it wouldn't happen in france. >> it wouldn't happen in france. >> no, no >> it wouldn't happen in france. >> 110, “0 l >> they would have. no, no, no, they don't. >> that's. >> that's. >> know france very well. >> i know france very well. >> i know france very well. >> band their band. >> band their band. >> they some are not all. >> they some are not all. >> no, pro—palestinian >> no, no, no. pro—palestinian marches >> no, no, no. pro—palestinian ma absolutely untrue . they say, >> absolutely untrue. they say, daddy, that they daddy, you mustn't say that they are banned. >> not to protest

>> you're not allowed to protest . are. protests not . you are. protests are not allowed. are allowed. >> are banned if >> some of them are banned if they're very extreme. i'm in france all the time. i'll take you to demo to france. >> recently been in france. >> recently i've been in france. >> recently i've been in france. >> about month >> yes, about about a month ago. >> yes, about about a month ago. >> well i >> it's just as well because i don't need ridden with don't need to be ridden with bedbugs. here. roger >> what are you. roger, ban red. bedbugs out. i think. >> i think . i think suella is >> i think. i think suella is making a bold run to be prime minister for the next general election . election. >> so the tories don't lose . she >> so the tories don't lose. she sees how weak poor rishi rich is . it's really. it's very pathetic. and she's made a very bold move. and you're right, she has a huge part of the country behind her. yes the silent majority . majority. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well, listen. okay. so i'm going to ask you yes or no. i'll start with you, roger. what's she right to describe these marches marches? marches as hate filled marches? roger no. no. you don't think she was dennis macshane, no? >> to en- g for the tory >> to run for the tory premiership? >> course. was right . but >> of course. she was right. but sheso was right .

>> so she was right. >> so she was right. >> but what she if you like. >> what's she right or wrong? from point to from her point of view, to win the leadership as peter from her point of view, to win the she.eadership as peter from her point of view, to win the she wasership as peter from her point of view, to win the she was absolutely eter from her point of view, to win the she was absolutely correct said, she was absolutely correct . and she'll make wild statements to come. >> peter spencer yes or no , was >> peter spencer yes or no, was she right? utterly, utterly , grotesquely. >> hideously wrong. >> hideously wrong. >> wrong, you're saying? all right. well, that's what they think. thank you so much. the former the bank of former adviser for the bank of england, dr. roger gewolb, former minister for europe, denis , and also denis macshane, and also political commentator peter spencen political commentator peter spencer. you your spencer. thank you for your thoughts. their thoughts. well, that's their thoughts. well, that's their thoughts. what yours? this thoughts. what are yours? this is a gb news on tv, online and on i'm akua. on digital radio. i'm nana akua. coming the great british coming up, the great british debate i'm asking debate this hour. i'm asking what's suella to for what's suella right to call for the marchers to be banned. but was she right to describe them as hate marchers ? let's get in as hate marchers? let's get in touch. hear thoughts touch. you'll hear the thoughts of and of my panel, lizzie cundy and matthew but first, let's matthew lawson. but first, let's get news headlines get your latest news headlines with . aaron with. aaron >> it's 432. i'm aaron armstrong. well, as you've been heanng armstrong. well, as you've been hearing , hundreds of thousands hearing, hundreds of thousands of pro—palestinian protesters are marching through central

london demanding a ceasefire in the middle east. the rally, which coincides armistice which coincides with armistice day, is one of the biggest political marches in british history. have history. the demonstrators have been marching from hyde park to the us embassy almost 2000 officers have been deployed across the weekend to prevent violent behaviour . well, the violent behaviour. well, the home secretary has been accused of stoking tensions and emboldening the far right comes after counter protesters clashed with officers at various locations in london, including westminster and whitehall. the met police says 82 people have been arrested to prevent a breach of the peace . scottish breach of the peace. scottish first minister humza yousaf is calling for suella bravermans resignation and the london mayor says the scenes of disorder are a direct result of the home secretary's words as scuffles broke out earlier between police and counter—protesters who were trying to gain access to the cenotaph . the met police says cenotaph. the met police says officers faced aggression and significant numbers. the force added they were not part of one

cohesive group, an officers are continuing to track and monitor those involved . those events those involved. those events didn't mar the silence which police say was respectfully observed honour those who've served in conflicts around the world. on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, marking the end of world war i, the uk paused for armistice day to pay their respects to the servicemen and women who made the ultimate sacrifice . more on the ultimate sacrifice. more on all of our stories on our website as always. gbnews.com now back to nana .

mornings from 930 on, gb news. >> good afternoon. it's just coming up to 39 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana. and it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking what's suella braverman right describe the braverman right to describe the pro—palestine marches as hate filled. now a cross—party committee of mps accused the home secretary of fanning the flames of hate towards muslims after writing about pro—palestine protests in london in the times. i just i just asked myself, what about the jewish people, though? all of this on. if you were a this going on. if you were a jewish, wouldn't go on jewish, i wouldn't go on the tube. you can't tube. now would you? you can't carry an israel flag if they're chanting from the river to the sea. is she right? but labour leader sir keir starmer says the prime minister is too weak to

challenge her, whilst conservative mp neill has conservative mp bob neill has called braverman's position untenable . and again, we're untenable. and again, we're going to get rid another going to get rid of another one. so the great british debate so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking what's suella to suella braverman right to describe hate describe the marches as hate filled? let's what my filled? well, let's see what my panel that pleased panel maker that i'm pleased to say broadcast say that broadcast from columnist made say that broadcast from cothrough made say that broadcast from cothrough the made say that broadcast from cothrough the marches made say that broadcast from cothrough the marches and made say that broadcast from cothrough the marches and isade it through the marches and is here. she's made it, made it through. i'm looking as glamorous and composed as well, a bit windswept. she does look a bit windswept , i going bit windswept, i was going to say. matthew laza . say. and also matthew laza. >> that's the blow that's >> that's the blow dryer. that's not not my farrah not the that's not my farrah fawcett, ? no. you know, it fawcett, is it? no. you know, it takes a long time to blow dry takes me a long time to blow dry mine in morning. got wig. >> you can try on it. >>— >> you can try on it. >> probably look good in it, actually. >> little spiky. >> a little spiky. >> a little spiky. >> look. >> a new look. >> a new look. >> so, starting with >> so, lizzie, starting with you, haven't you, lizzie, because you haven't been agree >> yeah, well, i totally agree with it hate with braverman calling it hate marches. actually just marches. i've actually just got involved oh, really? involved with one. oh, really? i was get in today. two was trying to get in today. two hours stuck. they've closed all the roads, so i dumped the car and to walk to the tube and tried to walk to the tube and tried to walk to the tube and i had a pro palestine protester come up to me saying,

are you a jew? are you a jew? and i was . i just didn't know and i was. i just didn't know what to do. actually. i was really scared. i ran to the tube station, which they've closed now. there's a trouble happening there and i'm very i was very scared and i think she's right to call them hate marchers because look what's happening now. we've got now the right now. we've got now the far right are trying to say counter—protest , counter counter—protest, counter protesting. exactly and she's actually voicing what the people are thinking . and i, for one, am are thinking. and i, for one, am very scared. and i can understand why my friends who are jewish leave every weekend because they are scared of what is going on in our streets of london and all over. i was very scared today, so i agree that that it scared today, so i agree that thatitis scared today, so i agree that that it is a hate war. >> what would you say to the argument that people are saying, well, they're walking peacefully , chanting , they're chanting peacefully. they're not actually fighting. so peaceful . so that's that's peaceful. >> you know, it's look , we're >> you know, it's look, we're not if they're coming up to you and you, i want to say, and asking you, i want to say, why aren't we now protesting?

you seen you know, we haven't seen the protests about the ukraine war. >> you we've >> and, you know, we've forgotten about that. >> and, you know, we've forgwe've about that. >> and, you know, we've forgwe've forgotten:. this. >> we've forgotten about this. and i think rishi scared and i think rishi is scared because she's saying what we are all thinking and her hands are tied. and you know what? if i was suella, i would actually resign in glory. and i'd say, you know what? i wasn't allowed to do the things wanted to to do the things i wanted to do as i will do as home secretary, but i will do them as leader. no. nice. >> well, that's what he definitely wants to be leader. >> that's think that's >> and that's i think that's what behind a lot of but >> and that's i think that's wha know, hind a lot of but >> and that's i think that's wha know, maybe lot of but >> and that's i think that's wha know, maybe lot of bl more you know, maybe she'd be a more popular would be. popular leader than he would be. i lot of critical. is popular leader than he would be. i well lot of critical. is popular leader than he would be. i well no, lot of critical. is popular leader than he would be. i well no, absolutely. :al. is popular leader than he would be. i well no, absolutely. :amean, it? well no, absolutely. i mean, it? well no, absolutely. i mean, it like it's the it does just feel like it's the last it's the sort of the last days rome, doesn't it? it days of rome, doesn't it? it does it really is all does feel like it really is all falling apart for them. >> he okay, >> but listen, if he gets okay, so rid so suella goes, if he gets rid of don't think he of it, which i don't think he should, actually back should, he should actually back her. i were him, her. i think if i were him, i would is the would do that. that is the safest goes, safest option. but if she goes, then what? safest option. but if she goes, the well, t? safest option. but if she goes, the well,t?think in terms the >> well, i think in terms of the names being mentioned, names that are being mentioned, you're looking at oliver dowden, who's deputy prime minister who's the deputy prime minister who's the deputy prime minister who's tend to who's because he does tend to promote mates. and think promote his mates. and i think they year below each they were in the year below each other something or other at school or something or i who to i get confused. who went to

school who, school with him or who, you know. one name being know. so that's one name being mentioned or robert jenrick , mentioned or robert jenrick, who's the immigration minister. >> think robert is >> and i think robert jenrick is pretty are pretty good actually. those are the most the the two names, most in the frame, that would frame, but he's got that would leave offices leave all the big four offices of hands of so leave all the big four offices owas hands of so leave all the big four offices owas going hands of so leave all the big four offices owas going to hands of so leave all the big four offices owas going to say ds of so leave all the big four offices owas going to say clare so leave all the big four offices owas going to say clare cortinay i was going to say clare cortina , the who's who's in the , who's the who's who's in the cabinet, i think she's the energy secretary, but she literally is one of his mates. >> so that's a possibility. >> so that's a possibility. >> back >> but let's come back to the hate or the hate marches, though, or the suella them as that . suella described them as that. well, she she to call well, she was she right to call them that? because. so them that? because. okay. so people i know people who look really really calm, really peaceful and really calm, but they're really peaceful and really calm, but aggressive they're really peaceful and really calm, but aggressive and|ey're really peaceful and really calm, but aggressive and nasty as hell. >> i think she's i think she would she should have would be i think she should have phrased more precisely, phrased it more more precisely, because been because there clearly has been hate demonstrated march. hate demonstrated on the march. we've got live pictures. we've got some live pictures. >> have look >> let's just have a quick look at about that. at those. sorry about that. >> like >> looks that looks like westminster. i think that's that's the counter—protest there and the police blocking it off and the police blocking it off and thankfully, it looks like it's calmed down a bit from earlier. but i think there certainly hate on it today. >> it intimidate shouting >> it was intimidate shouting it's intimidating the palestine side of things. >> really is. and i really

>> it really is. and i really do feel for my jewish friends and what i'm going to say is rishi does hen what i'm going to say is rishi does her. it's not going to does sack her. it's not going to solve problem . no, it's solve this problem. no, it's going make them going to actually make them worse . and what sort of prime worse. and what sort of prime minister sacks a minister because the opposition are calling for it, he might as well change. well, there are people within his own who within his own party who are also calling, but that's the typical it? >> keep imploding and >> they keep imploding and they're the they're doing this and the satellite sack because. >> you've george >> absolutely. you've got george osborne, thought we'd >> absolutely. you've got george osb(of e, thought we'd >> absolutely. you've got george osb(of cast thought we'd >> absolutely. you've got george osb(of cast him thought we'd >> absolutely. you've got george osb(of cast him tihistorywe'd sort of cast him to history going make him making his sort of cast him to history going innake him making his sort of cast him to history going in thee him making his sort of cast him to history going in the city] making his sort of cast him to history going in the city. but|king his sort of cast him to history going in the city. but he's his sort of cast him to history going in the city. but he's come money in the city. but he's come on, on podcast. that on, he's on his podcast. so that balls , no, he's balls and said oh no, no, he's got rid of her people are got to get rid of her people are making virility him making a virility test for him and therefore he looks very weak if as you if he doesn't do it. and as you say, people within his own party. >> she's right essentially, >> but she's right essentially, isn't march isn't she? surely the march is full mean, because full of hate. i mean, because people. he's people. that's not why he's sacking particularly sacking a particularly because of the lines of the article about northern ireland about about northern ireland and about the which the directing the police which was signed was seen which were not signed off downing street but she's off by downing street but she's going but she's going going against but she's going against instruction. going against but she's going againstit's instruction. going against but she's going againstit's all instruction. going against but she's going againstit's all adding;truction. i think it's all adding together, though. >> government together, though. >> have government together, though. >> have somethingrent together, though. >> have something about together, though. >> theya something about together, though. >> theya have athing about together, though. >> theya have stoppediout together, though. >> marches have stoppediout together, though. >> marches this1ave stoppediout together, though. >> marches this weekend. yediout together, though. >> marches this weekend. youyut the marches this weekend. you know, weekend for to us

know, this weekend is for to us mourn our fallen soldiers. know, this weekend is for to us mourn our fallen soldiers . and, mourn our fallen soldiers. and, you know, i was there at the field of remembrance and i was very invited by her very kindly invited by her majesty the queen. and it so majesty the queen. and it was so respectful. there was no disruption . and why can't we disruption. and why can't we mourn? they've got 360 odd days of the year. they can do a march the same thing. not this weekend. >> well, were shouting? >> well, who were shouting? england. england were people were laying wreaths earlier, whereas . silent, dignified. were laying wreaths earlier, wh(well, silent, dignified. were laying wreaths earlier, wh(well, what's, dignified. were laying wreaths earlier, wh(well, what's wrongfied. were laying wreaths earlier, wh(well, what's wrong with what >> well, what's wrong with what they're shouting the they're not shouting from the river to sea, basically, they're not shouting from the river t is sea, basically, they're not shouting from the river t is talking basically, they're not shouting from the river t is talking about|lly, they're not shouting from the river t is talking about marches which is talking about marches weren't happening. >> there . the >> they wouldn't be there. the government stopped government should have stopped it. an it. they could have put an emergency bill through to stop it. can't. it. and she can't. >> is blaming suella it. and she can't. >> the is blaming suella it. and she can't. >> the listen. is blaming suella for the listen. >> why we focusing on >> why are we even focusing on this we should be this as well? we should be focusing day focusing on armistice day and our soldiers and the fallen our own soldiers and the fallen and all this. is what and all this. this is what actually annoys me than actually annoys me more than anything . but. actually annoys me more than anything. but. but as actually annoys me more than anything . but. but as ever, this anything. but. but as ever, this show nothing without you show is nothing without you and your welcome our your views. so let's welcome our great the great british voice onto the show. opportunity be show. their opportunity to be on the tell they the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. to discussing. let's go over to where's my little where's my little little map little map? i have a little map that flies to bristol. >> bristol . >> bristol. >> bristol. >> oh, where should we go now ?

>> oh, where should we go now? let's go to bristol. it's not as much fun. oh, this is what? can we have that map back, please? i'm going to ask once again. i'm going to write. there's always fun there. i want map . the map. >> she's making it out. she's making it an get the map right. >> on, lee harris >> okay. go on, lee. lee harris yet again, nana. >> know, knives out >> you know, the knives are out for suella braverman. and why? because speaks because she simply speaks the truth . you know, in my view, she truth. you know, in my view, she is absolute right to say these marches have been hate filled and completely right and she's also completely right to call out the evident two tier policing. as said policing. you know, as you said in your excellent monologue , oh, in your excellent monologue, oh, oh, we've lost lee. >> where's he gone ? >> where's he gone? >> where's he gone? >> invited. >> invited. >> sorry , lee. whilst you're >> sorry, lee. whilst you're gone. i'm just watching here. i'm still here. we've got some pro—palestine marches there. they've got these. what that , they've got these. what is that, like a flare or something? flares we shouldn't carrying flares we shouldn't be carrying flares that's flares in the street. that's illegal. i think a illegal. and i think there is a question. we're question. this is what we're talking this what are talking this is what people are calling peaceful. is it? this is a is why she called >> and this is why she called it that, what is. that, because that's what it is. well filled. hate well hate filled. it's hate filled. people on the filled. why people on the counter—protest research, which

is. >> right. and they found some weapons cases, we weapons in a few cases, we believe. weren't believe. but why people weren't searching for flares. flares? yeah that to yeah exactly. that does seem to be playing into her hands. and you can imagine if anyone had an israel flag. >> oh, god, no, forget it. >> oh, god, no, forget it. >> would happen? >> what would happen? no, no. >> what would happen? no, no. >> time it happened, >> the last time it happened, there somebody by there was somebody surrounded by 50 police protect him. 50 police to protect him. exactly otherwise exactly because otherwise they would have killed him. somebody with to him. with a knife came to him. listen, seeing what listen, now we're seeing what this it's not even this is about. it's not even 5:00. holding flares 5:00. people are holding flares and i don't think that that's a peaceful place that i'd to and i don't think that that's a perin.ful place that i'd to and i don't think that that's a perin. andlace that i'd to and i don't think that that's a perin. and it's that i'd to and i don't think that that's a perin. and it's not. i'd to and i don't think that that's a perin. and it's not. it's to and i don't think that that's a perin. and it's not. it's not to be in. and it's not. it's not dark, but it's not that dark. and that late. dark, but it's not that dark. ancbut that late. dark, but it's not that dark. ancbut the that late. dark, but it's not that dark. ancbut the trouble te. dark, but it's not that dark. ancbut the trouble is , people >> but the trouble is, people are into these are coming going into these marches, not understanding the real problem. hamas is behind this all. hamas is anti gay, anti women. they don't believe in elections. this is what they should be protesting about, hamas, who did what they did on the 7th of october. >> we've got lee now. i wonder if put up in now. if we can put them up in now. will come now? will the map come now? we probably go. probably won't. let's go. there's there's there's no map in mind. there's no . there's no map because no map. there's no map because we've new mugs they've had. we've got new mugs they've had. >> think . >> think. >> think. >> right, go back to

>> all right, let's go back to lee's british voice and lee's my great british voice and let's thinks about let's see what he thinks about that. played that. lee we just played some pictures and this is live actually. happening now . people actually. happening now. people pro holding flares pro palestinians holding flares in the streets of london, which is obviously illegal. lee, what do you think of all of this then? where is lee? this is this is exactly what i'm talking about, nana you know this i believe she speaks for the silent majority. believe she speaks for the sileand |ajority. believe she speaks for the sileand we rity. believe she speaks for the sileand we are invited by >> and we are being invited by the police. the woke left and msn not to believe our own eyes. you know, it's gaslighting on an industrial scale. this is why this is why i think suella is a breath of fresh air. she is the only one who has the guts to speak up and the tories would be utterly mad to get rid of her. you know, since this horrific terrorist israel on terrorist attack in israel on october the 7th, it's been widely reported that there's been a huge increase in anti—semitic incidents . people anti—semitic incidents. people definitely don't need suella braverman to tell them it's hate filled. the evidence is overwhelming . and i've been overwhelming. and i've been watching events closely today and yet again, i've seen

anti—semitic placards, genocidal chants from the river to the sea. but even hamas style headbands being worn and unsurprisingly , not a single unsurprisingly, not a single israeli flag in sight. and the police are seeing doing very little about it . know unless, of little about it. know unless, of course, you're walking around london with a union flag nana and then they'll come down on london with a union flag nana and like| they'll come down on london with a union flag nana and like| tton ll come down on london with a union flag nana and like| tton ofcome down on london with a union flag nana and like| tton of bricksiown on london with a union flag nana and like| tton of bricks just on london with a union flag nana and like| tton of bricks just t0| you like a ton of bricks just to finish on that. it's certainly not suella who sacked, in my view , mark rowley, the met view, mark rowley, the met police commissioner, should get the sack first thing monday morning . morning. >> yeah, well, you know. well well listen, thank you very much as ever for your very succinct delivery . that is lee harris. delivery. that is lee harris. he's a great british voice. we would return to you, lee, but we've got to stick with this march. but it's always a pleasure talk lee. pleasure to talk to you, lee. lee . we'll listen lee harris, there. we'll listen to. stay with us here gb to. stay with us here on gb news. be bringing you all news. we'll be bringing you all the updates on march. the updates on that march. coming up, though, in the next houn coming up, though, in the next hour, great hour, it's time for the great british debate. we'll be discussing about the humanitarian pause and in the fight against hamas. is that the right be doing? that'll

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court it was ruled he court where it was ruled that he could continue his unlawful information gathering claims against associated newspapers. prince william is also back in the that wants the news, saying that he wants to his to go above and beyond his family in bringing change. and the guardian is also sniffing around, trying to find out the cost royal protection . all of cost of royal protection. all of that and a new series of the crown comes out next week. so every saturday, i love to give you a rundown. and who better to do than fabulous do so than the fabulous angela levin? a royal biographer levin? she's a royal biographer and angela hello. and a broadcaster. angela hello. so much talk about . so much to talk about. >> yeah, there's loads to talk about. >> know you'd like about. >> knowyou'd like talk >> i know you'd like to talk about harry first so we can do that. thinks he's done really that. he thinks he's done really well, actually he hasn't well, but actually he hasn't because judge has said that because the judge has said that he can't actually mention anything that was leaked beforehand. the problem last time harry went to court , it was time harry went to court, it was that he would just say something and expect and he said it. he expected the lawyers to sort it out. he didn't give the dates , out. he didn't give the dates, the times, who it was and all that. and this time the judge has made it very clear that he

can't just use someone else's information session and get going . the problem is he feels going. the problem is he feels that he can do it now, but the male group feel that it's at least six years too late , so he least six years too late, so he can't do it now . so that's the can't do it now. so that's the fault. and the male has got to come in with enough vavavoom i suppose you could call it that . suppose you could call it that. harry can't beat that . but i was harry can't beat that. but i was thinking, you know , is he going thinking, you know, is he going to come over? is there going to be another problem about protection? is it going to cost all the taxpayers a load of money? and what about his visa as well? >> in america, all of that? >> in america, all of that? >> well, that hasn't happened. you see, it doesn't seem to have had a visa . he's there now. this had a visa. he's there now. this is one of the things where he doesn't want to a prince doesn't want to be a prince in royal and work, but yet he royal terms and work, but yet he wants to have all the advantages. well, the issues , advantages. well, the issues, whether he admitted about the drug taking on the visa is what one thing it, well, it's one thing about it, well, it's not . not over. >> it's not over. >>— >> it's not over. >> no, it isn't. >>— >> no, it isn't. >> that's bubbling under the

surface. yes . surface. really yes. >> i think people need to sit down and do these things not to keep it bubbling away. it's just not it it's not right. and he is very, very against his brother , very, very against his brother, which is awful. and william made a very strange comment that he feels is very empowered , made by feels is very empowered, made by where he went and trying to save the country and save all that . the country and save all that. but he said he's now decided that he's going to do much more than the royal family have done so far. and he wants to build houses and he wants to get them to work. and people in there and living comfortably . and that living comfortably. and that would be in the land that king charles had before he became king. and he passed it on to william and i think that it was a rather an appropriate time to say that that and i think as well that it we don't really want fights as to who's doing

what and i'm doing better than you because i'm actually getting houses and you're just saying meaning he doesn't want to sign pages and cut ribbons. >> well i mean, now the other stuff going on there, we've got the guardian trying to find out the of safety of the royals the cost of safety of the royals they're trying to find. >> that. >> yes, i've found that. >> yes, i've found that. >> why they to know? >> why do they need to know? what's do with them? >> why do they need to know? wh it's do with them? >> why do they need to know? wh it's nothing do with them? >> why do they need to know? wh it's nothing do withith m? >> it's got nothing to do with them. essential . we do them. and it is essential. we do know we pay for the know how much we pay for the royal family each of us. it's a less than £2, but it's not so much, is it? and we couldn't afford that . but i don't think afford that. but i don't think you can do that. and other papers who picked up what the guardian says and we know that they don't like the monarchy. have actually helps have said that actually it helps . it's, you know , where the . it's, you know, where the royals are and where they're going because you see the number of people who are going there and how long they're going for. and i think that's very, very dangerous indeed. i hope we can fight it. i think it's another spiteful , ill chance from the

spiteful, ill chance from the from the guardian myself. but i can't see how how dare we. we have to pay them. apparently it's between i can go up to £100,000 to save them. but we've got to. you can't just let them go. you see today, you know, we've got to protect them. they're very important . they're very important. >> well, they're a net benefit anyway. you know, it's not anyway. and you know, it's not like us like they don't really cost us anything any way. in any anything in any way. in any case, for this case, they're very good for this country. and there's a continuity as now, what continuity as well. now, what about though? i've about the crown though? i've never it , but i never watched any of it, but i know spoke to prince harry. know you spoke to prince harry. what did he say? >> i was interviewing him >> when i was interviewing him about book, the first time about my book, the first time i'd been to loads engagements i'd been to loads of engagements with to with him and he invited me to come and do interview with come and do an interview with him at his his palace. so i went along and the first thing he said to me was , are you watching said to me was, are you watching the crown? and it was the second series. i had no wish to watch the crown, but i thought you can't say that to him. and i said, haven't but can't say that to him. and i sayou haven't but can't say that to him. and i sayou think haven't but can't say that to him. and i sayou think ishould but can't say that to him. and i sayou think ishould , but can't say that to him. and i sayou think ishould , i'll)ut can't say that to him. and i sayou think ishould , i'll get if you think i should, i'll get it. yes, get it. but it. they said, yes, get it. but ihave it. they said, yes, get it. but i have telling you i will not

allow them to do anything on me. well, i will stop it before they do that . and actually wrote it do that. and actually wrote it in the book because i thought you'll be lucky . and actually, you'll be lucky. and actually, although he's had loads of business deals with with the people, he he they've taken no nofice people, he he they've taken no notice of him whatsoever . notice of him whatsoever. they're going to do that. they're going to do that. they're putting him in as a little boy who drinks, who smokes dope, who hates his brother. oh dear. and as a rascal he was a rascal . i mean, rascal he was a rascal. i mean, he was a rascal. and he wanted to join the boys who were naughty at eton. and he did . but naughty at eton. and he did. but i think it's very horrible to actually see yourself like that. and they've also said they're not doing anything on camilla with regards to what he said about her. but what what he said about her. but what what he said about her. but what what he said about her. and i think, well, thank goodness for that. he won't be pleased , but i'm very won't be pleased, but i'm very pleased. i think it's hilarious. >> he will absolutely hate it. they'll have him like drinking

and talking around and going, well, let's get another i don't know what what he's been doing, but i was about get myself in but i was about to get myself in trouble there. i won't. >> let's stop there. >> let's stop there. >> stop there. there. yes. >> let's stop there. there. yes. it be very interested sort it would be very interested sort of the because the of towards the end because the royals don't tend to get that busy, they, towards the end busy, do they, towards the end of now. so they're of the year now. so they're winding of the year now. so they're winthere's episodes, codes . >> there's two episodes, codes. one is about putting harry in and william in and why he's so jealous of william, which is also will annoy him . and the also will annoy him. and the other one is with diana. we don't see actually how she's been killed. thank goodness to that. been killed. thank goodness to that . but she does come back been killed. thank goodness to that. but she does come back as some sort of ghost and talks to charles and said, you know, i'm going to remember you now with this smile because i'd be very nice for me. and i thought, poor old william. and even poor old harry, we don't really want to see their mothers in a sort of ghost form. >> nobody really does. that's a bit much, isn't it? listen, angela levin, as ever, thank you

so much forjoining angela levin, as ever, thank you so much for joining that's so much forjoining me. that's royal biographer angela levin. this is gb news. i'm akua. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. more next hour . more to come in the next hour. it's 5:00. welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics headlines topics hitting the headlines right all right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and course , it's theirs. and of course, it's yours. debating, yours. we'll be debating, discussing and times will discussing, and at times we will disagree. one will be disagree. no one will be cancelled. now in the next hour, joining me broadcast columnist lizzie cundy. as a former labour party adviser, matthew laza . in party adviser, matthew laza. in a few moments time, i'll be joined houston's joined by whitney houston's half sister, , to talk through joined by whitney houston's half sisty rise , to talk through joined by whitney houston's half sisty rise to , to talk through joined by whitney houston's half sisty rise to fame, talk through joined by whitney houston's half sisty rise to fame, as.k through joined by whitney houston's half sisty rise to fame, as wellough joined by whitney houston's half sisty rise to fame, as well asjh joined by whitney houston's half sisty rise to fame, as well as her her rise to fame, as well as her latest single. and then on the way also , i'll be speaking to an way also, i'll be speaking to an ex, hamas supporter. he'll be live in the studio telling us about his time with joining them. but let's get your news

from . aaron from. aaron >> good evening to you. it is 5:00. i am aaron armstrong. hundreds of thousands of pro—palestinian protesters are marching through central london. they're demanding a ceasefire in the middle east. the rally, which coincides . with armistice which coincides. with armistice day, is one of the biggest political marches in british history, chanting and waving placards, the demonstrators beganin placards, the demonstrators began in hyde park and have been slowly making their way to the us embassy in nine elms. that is just south of the river. almost 2000 officers have been deployed across the weekend to prevent violent behaviour . well, also in violent behaviour. well, also in central london, 92 counter protesters have now been arrested amid ongoing clashes with police. the scuffles have taken place in westminster with with the met police saying their actions she was taken to prevent meant a breach of the peace and also other offences . it comes

also other offences. it comes after the home secretary has been accused of stoking tensions and emboldening the far right. the scottish first minister, humza yousaf, is calling for suella bravermans resignation . suella bravermans resignation. the mayor of london says the scenes of disorder are a direct result of the home secretary's words . well, earlier scuffles words. well, earlier scuffles broke out between police and counter—protesters who were trying to gain access to the cenotaph . the met police says cenotaph. the met police says officers faced aggression in significant numbers as the force added the demonstrators were not part of one cohesive group . and part of one cohesive group. and officers are continuing to track and monitor those counter—protesters . but the counter—protesters. but the events did not mar the two minute silence that took place earlier . minute silence that took place earlier. police say it was respectfully observed .

and now the signing of the last post there on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, it marked the end of world war i. the uk paused for armistice day to honour those who served in the conflicts. world war ii veteran dennett says the veteran john dennett says the servicemen and women who made the ultimate sacrifice must always remembered. always be remembered. >> forget what >> we must never forget what happened years ago. through all the wars that enabled us to be where we are. like we're lucky . where we are. like we're lucky. and the kids, i hope i always said to the kids without remember once and remember it because if you don't , you because if you don't, you wouldn't be here if it wasn't for those lads who gave their life like and it runs into thousands. >> now, in other news, a mother who was found dead by her two

children in manchester has been named by police . perseverance in named by police. perseverance in cuba was found with a single stab injury in little hulton near salford in the early hours of yesterday morning. the 35 year old was taken to hospital where she later died . a police where she later died. a police say a 45 year old man who fled the scene has been arrested on suspicion of murder and remains in custody . the funeral of a in custody. the funeral of a teenager who was stabbed on her way to school has been held in south london. elianne andam family and friends gathered to pay family and friends gathered to pay their respects to the 15 year old who was killed in croydon in september. a 17 year old boy has been charged with her murder and he is due to appearin her murder and he is due to appear in court next month . and appear in court next month. and crowds have been lining the streets of london for the historic lord mayor's show. the event , which began historic lord mayor's show. the event, which began in the historic lord mayor's show. the event , which began in the 13th event, which began in the 13th century, includes a colourful three mile parade before the new lord mayor of the city is sworn

in. the mayor rides in. the same goes on state coach that's been used in every show since 1757. the new lord mayor, incidentally, is alderman michael moeen ali. well, this is gb news live across the uk. i'll be back with more in just under half an hour's time, but now it's over to nana . it's over to nana. >> thank you very much , aaron. >> thank you very much, aaron. this is a gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some topics hitting some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now . this the headlines right now. this show is about opinion. it's show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. of mine, it's theirs. and of course, yours . we'll be course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we disagree. but no times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled for. joining me today is broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, also joining me today is broadcaster a|formermnist lizzie cundy, also joining me today is broadcaster a|former labourizzie cundy, also joining me today is broadcaster a|former labour adviser. dy, also joining me today is broadcaster a|former labour adviser. matthew a former labour adviser. matthew laza. still to come for my difficult conversation today , difficult conversation today, i'll be talking to singer songwriter and producer alexis q, who is also popularly known

as whitney houston's half sister. now alexis will join me in the studio to talk about her, how she got into music and also the highlights of her career so far and the struggles that she's had to overcome to get where she is she's also going to be is today. she's also going to be talking talking about her latest single, forbidden from her highly anticipated album , the highly anticipated album, the pyjama session. and an interview you will not want to miss at 520. i'll be joined by sahal ahmed in the studio. now, sahal is a student at the university of cambridge and a former hamas supporter who has been de—radicalised and now condemns the organisation . he's been the organisation. he's been working as a counter extremism expert in his own right. now, this interview will not want to miss that is on the way in a few moments time then for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking are the west wise to call for humanitarian pauses gaza for humanitarian pauses in gaza and is israel wise wise to allow for these pauses to fight against hamas? israel has agreed to a tactical pause in fighting to a tactical pause in fighting

to encourage evacuations and allow foreign aid to come allow for foreign aid to come in. but is this wise, especially with the way the fighting is going? that's on the way, as even going? that's on the way, as ever. you can tell me what you think. you email me think. you can email me gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. so it's seven at. gb news. so it's seven minutes after 5:00. it's time now for this week's difficult conversation . now, alexis is an conversation. now, alexis is an r&b singer, songwriter and a producer born in freeport, new york. now she is the youngest sister of whitney houston. that's right. the one and only whitney houston. you can actually see the resemblance if you you're looking at you look if you're looking at the sharing the the tv now, she's sharing the same father, john same biological father, john whitney. just whitney. alexis has just released her latest single, forbidden from her highly anticipated , the pyjama anticipated album, the pyjama session, which is set to be released in february in 2024. and i'm very pleased to say that alexis singer songwriter joins me in the studio now. welcome

it's a pleasure. >> thank you so much for having me. >> you look fabulous. thank you. i love that dress on your teeth . i love that dress on your teeth. it's saturday. thanks. that you know , everywhere you go. now, know, everywhere you go. now, before we get into the music, let's talk about your childhood, because what was it like growing up ? up? >> oh, the thing is, i have of it was a normal childhood to me . it was a normal childhood to me. i had no point of reference to compare it to anything else . compare it to anything else. >> a loving, strong mother and older siblings who were very eager to teach me the ropes . older siblings who were very eager to teach me the ropes. but it was a good life, a very happy life, a very happy childhood, a bit of an accelerated childhood, but a happy one all the same. >> when you say accelerated childhood, why was that? >> started school early . okay. >> started school early. okay. graduated from high school early, university early, started university early. yeah. my degree early yeah. finished my degree early of early. of the early. >> why did you finish everything early? motivated . very >> i guess i was motivated. very motivated . but i. i knew i had motivated. but i. i knew i had something to do and i just

didn't want to waste time. i guessin didn't want to waste time. i guess in the back of my mind, subconsciously. yeah. >> what was it like then for you? because you're you were younger sister or older sister than whitney ? oh, younger. than whitney? oh, younger. >> younger. >> younger. >> so you must have seen a lot of the stuff that happened to her as she was growing up. what was it like? you much was it like? did you see much about them ? actually, no. about them? actually, no. >> didn't no, was >> you didn't see? no, i was pretty lot pretty much shielded from a lot of really . my interact of things, really. my interact with nippy came as an adult more more or less. when i was an adult, i had returned to the states i did not want to pursue a medical career. i wanted to write music and produce music . i write music and produce music. i was managed by her company, nippy was managed by her company, nippy inc for a while. was managed by her company, nippy inc for a while . kim, leon nippy inc for a while. kim, leon and donna houston looked after me for a while and it was it was at that time i got to see her at work a little bit more . but in work a little bit more. but in terms of all the other stuff

that happened years before, i had no, no, no real knowledge of that. >> now, you were kind of music. what kind of music is it? what's your sound? and what kind of inspired you? >> i'm a pop r&b artist. yeah, i was i mean, i grew up in the in the 80s and 90s, and so i was influenced by everybody from sarah vaughan, anita baker, regina belle , george michael. i regina belle, george michael. i mean, i was fascinated with the stage presentations of michael jackson and madonna and janet . jackson and madonna and janet. so the music that i produce , i so the music that i produce, i mean, it's r&b , no matter how i mean, it's r&b, no matter how i try to say it's r&b, but it's p0p, try to say it's r&b, but it's pop, it's pop music. and i try to i try to write songs and produce songs that speak to me and my parents. you know, i grew up listening to otis redding in the house and the cooling waters and a plethora of good musicians and a plethora of good musicians and that has definitely

influenced what i'm doing today. >> now, was it difficult for you growing up because, of course, you you started off as male and now you've sort of transitioned to female . so how was that what to female. so how was that what talk to me about that. >> i was i was born a child of god and i intend to live my life that way and hopefully die that way. i'm a wife and a mother and thatis way. i'm a wife and a mother and that is that's who i am . the that is that's who i am. the challenges that i've faced in my lifetime are not not unusual. you know , the first single from you know, the first single from this album is called forbidden and the theme and the message behind that is pursuing your desires , pursuing your dreams in desires, pursuing your dreams in spite of the obstacles that society, religion, family , place society, religion, family, place on you and although i have showcased the song in a romantic context , it applies to context, it applies to everything across the board. whether you are seeking to

change careers like i did. you know, i grew up in a family who wanted me to be a doctor . and wanted me to be a doctor. and the idea i grew up with one of those as well. >> exactly. and dentist. lawyer. exactly. certainly not tv. exactly. >> and this idea of being a musician, they thought was the easy out and not something easy way out and not something that that skills that that that used the skills that i have. that that used the skills that i have . but god knows has it have. but god knows it has it has definitely challenged me and continues to do so today . so continues to do so today. so yeah, so, so , so i'm the yeah, so, so, so i'm the messages and the themes of each of my songs tells my life story. >> as you were growing up there, did you not feel that you were in in whitney's shadow because did you not feel that you were in irwas itney's shadow because did you not feel that you were in irwas such�*s shadow because did you not feel that you were in irwas such a shadow because did you not feel that you were in irwas such a massive )ecause did you not feel that you were in irwas such a massive stasze did you not feel that you were in irwas such a massive star that she was such a massive star that was or did it help you? did it help you at all being associated with whitney and the nippy inc family was was a double edged sword. >> okay . you know, john houston >> okay. you know, john houston introduced me to everyone who i met initially in the business, and he pretty much just said, okay, this is who you this is

who you're going to work with. and just your job. you know, and just do your job. you know, don't act up , be responsible, be don't act up, be responsible, be professional . it opened doors professional. it opened doors for me, but at the same time , for me, but at the same time, too, when i got into actually recording , it became a challenge recording, it became a challenge because now you're being judged by somebody else's standard . by somebody else's standard. yeah. and i'm a different person . i'm a different horse. i'm a completely different horse. and i'd like , like so many artists i'd like, like so many artists today. i'd like, like so many artists today . i mean, i was at today. i mean, i was at a christmas party just the other day at the opening of a toy store , and there was a young store, and there was a young lady there who must have been in her early teens, and she's singing whitney houston songs like whitney houston, you know, and so the influence that whitney has on the music industry is deep and widespread from tevin campbell to i mean , from tevin campbell to i mean, yes, you know, incredible . so yes, you know, incredible. so i have been influenced in that regard like everybody else. you

know , we've all we've all fed know, we've all we've all fed from that trough. >> she's she was incredible, though , wasn't she? though, wasn't she? >> still is, in my mind. though, wasn't she? >> still is, in my mind . she >> still is, in my mind. she still is. yeah. yeah. >> to me about your >> so talk to me about your music. about music. and we've talked about your type of music. the your type of music. what's the album called where you know , has album called where you know, has it been released? where can people ahold of it? people get ahold of it? >> the single, >> okay, well, the first single, forbidden zone is available now everywhere on every streaming platform . it's the first single platform. it's the first single from my album , the pyjama from my album, the pyjama sessions . the pyjama sessions, sessions. the pyjama sessions, once again, is an autobiographical collection of songs that tell a little bit more of my life story . this more of my life story. this album, this is the first sorry, this is the third full album studio album of mine. and as i've told people a thousand times, if you want to know who i am, listen to my music . because am, listen to my music. because for me, more than being a singer , for me, more than being a singer i , for me, more than being a singer , i pride myself on being a songwriter and producer , and i songwriter and producer, and i write from a very personal perspective, a personal perspective, a personal perspective that is perhaps not unique . and with that in mind, i

unique. and with that in mind, i hope that the music resonates with a broad audience , because with a broad audience, because although we may look different and we change ourselves from time to time , we all share our time to time, we all share our the human condition in one way or the other. and i hope that the music that i make underscores that. >> wonderful. well, alexis. q thank you so much for joining me. >> it's my pleasure. >> it's my pleasure. >> it's my pleasure. >> it's an honour to have whitney houston's half sister here the studio because she here in the studio because she was star. look, she's was a big star. look, she's a great star. but, you know, i think association is amazing think the association is amazing and can't hear more of and i can't wait to hear more of your know your music. and i know that people and listening people watching and listening will be well. >> i hope they enjoy it. i hope they alexis. they enjoy, you know. alexis. q thank you. >> lovely see you. it's >> lovely to see you. it's a pleasure . the fabulous >> lovely to see you. it's a pleast. the fabulous >> lovely to see you. it's a pleasu|q well,e fabulous >> lovely to see you. it's a pleasu|q well, we're lous >> lovely to see you. it's a pleasu|q well, we're coming up. alexis. q well, we're coming up. it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is israel wise to allow humanitarian pauses in the fight against hamas and are the west wise call for these pauses? wise to call for these pauses? but up next, i'll be speaking to a expert live a counter extremism expert live in the studio. and he is he has

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michael portillo gb news britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> good afternoon. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua . it's channel. i'm nana akua. it's coming up to 20 minutes after 5:00. return to london 5:00. let's return to london where major policing operations is underway . nearly 2000 police is underway. nearly 2000 police officers have been deployed across the city for what's said to be one of the biggest political marches in british

history. and now joining me is gb news security editor gb news home and security editor mark white to give me the latest live westminster . mark, live from westminster. mark, what's is what's the atmosphere like? is it still peaceful . it still peaceful. >> it's been a bit tense and volatile in places we've seen a few flashpoints here in the last hour or so. i'm not putting the light on because that just attracts the idiots and going to step out of way of the step out of the way of the camera. give you a look camera. just to give you a look down towards parliament square there. and what we saw just in there. and what we saw just in the last hour was is some of the pro—palestinian protesters who have broken away from that protest early, probably to go home and to use westminster tube station. but in doing that, it has ignited some of the tensions amongst the counter protesters who are still here, not in many significant numbers , but they're significant numbers, but they're still here at the moment. so we had a bit of a flashpoint about ten, 15 minutes ago that was

contained by the police force and those counterprotest fighters. i can't really see too many of them. there's1 fighters. i can't really see too many of them. there's 1 or 2 still hanging about here, but most of them seem to have dispersed at this point. as you can see here, lots in the way of police vehicles still here because there is a concern that when the main body of the protest shut down at the us embassy, which should have finished by now, it was given till 515 to end and then start dispersing the concern was that some of those that might be bent on trouble would come to this area. they know, of course , that area. they know, of course, that the senator, for instance , the senator, for instance, remains sealed off the pro—palestinian protesters will not be allowed near the cenotaph . but for the moment, this road here is open again and they are being allowed to here get their

tubes home. but but as i say, there is a volatile mix because every now and again, you will get the pro—palestinian protesters coming face to face with those counter—protesters words are exchanged. sometimes there's a bit of pushing and shoving and the police intervene and but nothing serious in terms of the violence that we've seen before. in fact , if you . yeah. before. in fact, if you. yeah. someone i think mistaking us for another news channel. but moving over this side now just dodging the traffic here at the moment because it is , as i say, opening because it is, as i say, opening up now. so they're letting people across here. so it's a bit risky. just just now to try and cross give us a right. let's go . i just want to take you over go. i just want to take you over the other side because over the other side of the square is

where there are still a few of the counter protesters that have refused to go home. not many, as i say, probably a few dozen or so. and you can see here at this side, lots of the pro—palestinian protesters who are now making their way home early . i are now making their way home early. i wouldn't are now making their way home early . i wouldn't even are now making their way home early. i wouldn't even begin to guess at how many turned out for this protest today. but that march which just snaked on for a long, long time , so many tens of long, long time, so many tens of thousands , without a doubt, will thousands, without a doubt, will leave it up to others to guess at what the exact number is or even the organisers to confirm that with us. but you can see many of those protesters now heading down this way to make their way home at the end of the day. and over the other side . day. and over the other side. bnp yeah , so over this side just bnp yeah, so over this side just come through this way. so we'll take you through . here this is

take you through. here this is the other side. now, just off in parliament square on main parliament square on main parliament square on main parliament square itself just over the other side there. and i'd you know, they're still contained within that area at the moment . contained within that area at the moment. in fact, contained within that area at the moment . in fact, the police the moment. in fact, the police just running now down towards that end of parliament square . i that end of parliament square. i don't think we'll be able to get through there, but it has a it has the potential, of course . has the potential, of course. can we get through, officer? no no, go down that way. yeah. okay, fine . let's go down this okay, fine. let's go down this way. under the police. don't want to let us through there while they're dealing with a potential situation . but again, potential situation. but again, it's it seems to be a group of pro—palestinian presenters further down at that end of the square who have congregated there . and that's where the there. and that's where the police are running to. so certainly tensions tense here. it's got the potential all to become a bit more lively. but for the moment, the police have

things contained there. >> mark, that's mark white is live there in westminster at the pro—palestinian march . well, pro—palestinian march. well, listen, i wanted you to meet this gentleman because i saw him and thought i must speak him and thought i must speak to him myself. studio myself. joining me in the studio is a lot about is someone who knows a lot about radicalisation. he's a counter extremism in his own extremism expert in his own right who formerly supported hamas been hamas and has been de—radicalised the de—radicalised condemning the organisation. suhail ahmed joins me live in the studio. well, i mean , okay, so first of all, how mean, okay, so first of all, how did you find yourself supporting or being part of hamas? well i just to make clear from the get 90, just to make clear from the get go, i was never a member of hamas, but i was an ardent supporter of hamas. >> unfortunately , my, my >> unfortunately, my, my radicalisation journey, unfortunate , only started at the unfortunate, only started at the mere age of six, and that was as a result of my parents feeding me with the ideological poison of islamism . i was taught to

of islamism. i was taught to hate non—muslims . i was taught hate non—muslims. i was taught that britain is the enemy , that that britain is the enemy, that the west is the enemy . all that the west is the enemy. all that there is a never ending war between muslims and non—muslims , between muslims and non—muslims, that violent jihad is an obugafion that violent jihad is an obligation on every muslim . obligation on every muslim. that's what i was raised with. and unfortunately , that's what i and unfortunately, that's what i believed in at and kind of growing up that that kind of snowballed . and unfortunately, snowballed. and unfortunately, as particular juncture, i, i as particularjuncture, i, i even began considering violence is really and you grew up in this country. yes i was born in london, this country where they were radicalising you themselves i >> -- >> do you have any other brothers and sisters ? brothers and sisters? >> of them are >> i do. and most of them are also radicalised. and i was also being radicalised by the mosque that i was attending. wow >> and so and that would take a form of it. was that a mosque leader telling everybody or what was the form that that. >> that be >> so essentially that would be dunng >> so essentially that would be during friday sermons during

sermons outside of the friday usual sermons . that's the kind usual sermons. that's the kind of form it took . i also kind of of form it took. i also kind of went online and kind of self radicalise as well. um kind of looking at photos that were written by islamic scholars , written by islamic scholars, usually from saudi arabia or elsewhere in the middle east. >> what is a fatwa? >> what is a fatwa? >> a fatwa being a religious edict now in the west, know edict now in the west, we know of fatwas as being kind of like death sentence or something like that. but a fatwa is essentially just a religious edict. >> okay? and now i want to ask you then, how did you because you're obviously not supporting hamas now. >> absolutely not. >> absolutely not. >> how did you get out of it? and what do your family still support them in the way that they made you support them ? they made you support them? >> i wouldn't be able to talk for my family at this stage because i've not spoken to them in in eight years since i left

home in terms of kind of the radicalised version, it essentially . only the way in essentially. only the way in which i got into and out of supporting hamas was by understanding biological evolution . i was always kind of evolution. i was always kind of like the scientist and i, i when i understood that, i realised that this scientific theory contradicted some of my extremist beliefs, not only that, i saw the rank hypocrisy amongst islamists, amongst my fellow co—religionists of the islamist pursue vision. they were completely hypocritical. they would attack hindus, they would attack christians, they would attack christians, they would attack christians, they would attack jews and say the most horrible things about them . most horrible things about them. yet when anyone would ever say anything slightly against islam, even if it was a genuine criticism , they'd cry criticism, they'd cry islamophobia . and they they they

islamophobia. and they they they basically say that individuals are bigot . there were other are bigot. there were other hypocrisies . for instance, they hypocrisies. for instance, they were against the us invading iraq after 911. yeah but within the ideology they believed that there should be total complete world domination by military means . means. >> see, when you see these marches and things and suella braverman describing it as hate filled , is she right in your filled, is she right in your view, and are the west being somewhat naive, calling for a ceasefire or partially suella braverman is in fact correct , braverman is in fact correct, but i'm assuming that not everyone in the march because i did see some individuals wearing poppies. >> however, it may be a minority, but it was a very significant minority , a minority significant minority, a minority that was large enough to be very concerning for all of us. and we saw openly , brazenly, not in

saw openly, brazenly, not in this particular protest, but in the previous ones, people waving the previous ones, people waving the black standard flag, which is a jihadist flag and screaming jihad, jihad and saying bigoted things against non—muslims. jihad, jihad and saying bigoted things against non—muslims . and things against non—muslims. and there were calls for muslim armies to come together and wipe israel off the map . and that israel off the map. and that i would kind of say to anyone who's not an islamist , who was a who's not an islamist, who was a part of that protest or the protest today , i'd kind of protest today, i'd kind of advise or kind of caution and say , be very careful of who you say, be very careful of who you get into in bed with and be very careful because you absolutely have no idea who you're dealing with. i know who we're dealing with. i know who we're dealing with because i used to be one of them. i used to attend pro—palestine marches and

honestly , there was always honestly, there was always a very significant islamist jihadist extremist presence . and jihadist extremist presence. and i don't say that lightly. it's honestly the truth . and i think honestly the truth. and i think everyone can see that. and i think some people are trying to deny what they're seeing. >> i think a lot of people are trying say, it's fair trying to say, oh, it's all fair and but and soft and everything, but just they're not just because they're not violently , i urge violently protesting, i urge people listen to what you're people to listen to what you're saying. yes. because you obviously understand ideals obviously understand the ideals and mindset of people who support this organisation . and support this organisation. and obviously, a lot of the underlying tensions within the pro—palestine march . i want to pro—palestine march. i want to ask you about the cease fires now, because the west mostly are calling for cease fires or pauses in the fighting . is this pauses in the fighting. is this a wise thing? because obviously everyone cares about what's happening to the young people in gaza and the people dying there. but the only reason it's not happening in israel is because the dome , indeed, it's

the iron dome, indeed, it's incredibly sad. >> what's happening in gaza. it really is . anyone who cares really is. anyone who cares about human life is kind of going to feel something wrong. but you have to realise that israel is faced with two kind of two options and they're both evil in a sense. one is, is that you go after hamas and degrade their capability and try to neutralise them as far as possible. and in the process severely casualties occur and civilian mortalities happen . or civilian mortalities happen. or we let we let it go complete ceasefire we let hamas regrow and the next attack will be much worse . those are the two options worse. those are the two options we're left with now when it comes to israeli strategy and tactics, i may have criticisms of them in specific cases , but of them in specific cases, but when it comes to a complete ceasefire, i am absolutely not

in support of that. as for temporary cease fires to allow humanity an aid in that i can support, what does it say? >> i could talk to you for ages and i will invite you back again, because you to again, because i'd love you to be part my at some again, because i'd love you to be parwe'll1y at some again, because i'd love you to be parwe'll1y yourt some again, because i'd love you to be parwe'll1y you inome again, because i'd love you to be parwe'll1y you in t0|e point, we'll invite you in to discuss because this discuss more because this is going go on for going on and it will go on for some you much for some time. thank you so much for sharing . well, sharing your experience. well, hopefully to hopefully that was useful to a lot you listening and lot of you listening and watching suhail ahmed, watching because suhail ahmed, he , he was he of course, he was de—radicalised and he condemns hamas and those are his views. what do you think? you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news online and on digital news on tv online and on digital radio. so coming up, it's time news on tv online and on digital radthe'yo coming up, it's time news on tv online and on digital radthe great|ing up, it's time news on tv online and on digital radthe great british it's time news on tv online and on digital radthe great british debate|e for the great british debate this asking, are this hour. and i'm asking, are the wise call for the west wise to call for humanitarian pauses in gaza? and is to allow for is israel wise to allow for these pauses in the fight against hamas? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel and also the thoughts of our voices. but first, let's get your latest news with . aaron news with. aaron >> it is 533. good evening to

you. let's get you up to date with the headlines from the newsroom. one of the biggest political demonstrations in british history has now come to an in london with organisers an end in london with organisers of the pro—palestinian march asking crowds to disperse peacefully . hundreds of peacefully. hundreds of thousands of people took part in the , which coincided with the rally, which coincided with armistice day marching from hyde park to the us embassy . almost park to the us embassy. almost 2000 officers were deployed across the weekend to prevent violent behaviour . demonstrators violent behaviour. demonstrators were calling for a ceasefire in gaza. were calling for a ceasefire in gaza . and while the gaza. and while the pro—palestinian march appears to have passed peacefully, 92 counter protesters have been arrested amid ongoing clashes with police as scuffles have taken place in westminster with the met. police saying the majority of the arrests were to prevent a breach of the peace . prevent a breach of the peace. it comes as the home secretary has been accused of stoking tensions and emboldening the far right . the scottish first right. the scottish first minister, humza yousaf is calling for suella bravermans resignation on the mayor of london says the scenes of disorder a direct result of

disorder are a direct result of the secretary's words . the home secretary's words. while scuffles broke out earlier between police and counter—protesters who were trying to gain access to the cenotaph , the met police says cenotaph, the met police says officers aggression in officers faced aggression in significant numbers . the force significant numbers. the force added the demonstrators weren't part of one cohesive group , added the demonstrators weren't part of one cohesive group, and officers have continued to track and monitor them . the events, and monitor them. the events, though, did not mar the silence, which police say was respectfully observed to honour those who've served in conflicts around the world. on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, marking the end of world war i, the uk paused for armistice day to pay respect to the servicemen and women who made the ultimate sacrifice . made the ultimate sacrifice. while more on all of our stories on our website . and i'll be back on our website. and i'll be back with more at the top of the next houn with more at the top of the next hour. now back to nana . hour. now back to nana. >> thank you, aaron. still to

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missed almost we've missed almost all the show we've got about 20 minutes left, though . but time for though. but it's time now for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. is israel hour. and i'm asking, is israel wise humanity in pauses wise to allow humanity in pauses in the war against hamas? and are the west wise to call for a ceasefire now , the white house ceasefire now, the white house says that israel has agreed to put regular , daily, four hour put regular, daily, four hour pauses in its assault on hamas to allow civilians to flee parts of northern gaza. now israel says that more than 100,000 gaza residents have fled south in the past few days, whilst limited evacuations have been paused twice in the past week due to bombardment . so asking is israel bombardment. so asking is israel wise to allow humanitarian pauses in the war against hamas? well, let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined now by broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also former adviser to the labour party, matthew laza wright matthew laza. i'm starting with you. are they wise or are we wise to be calling for pauses ? and ultimately, people pauses? and ultimately, people are for ceasefires and are calling for ceasefires and they are different things. >> absolutely. think >> absolutely. and i think i think you're absolutely right. there's between

there's a big difference between them. be them. and one would not be sensible and one would be sensible. i don't believe that a ceasefire work because it's ceasefire will work because it's basically saying israel can't defend itself. well that's where they were now. >> that's where before >> that's where they were before the attack. >> things were frozen. i >> yeah, things were frozen. i do strongly in do believe strongly in humanitarian pauses. so do i think most sensible people, the american government, for instance, is the strongest instance, which is the strongest supporter of israel you can imagine, very clear. there imagine, is very clear. there needs humanitarian pauses needs to be humanitarian pauses as i think it will do the cause. israel's cause world opinion. as i think it will do the cause. islot.'s cause world opinion. as i think it will do the cause. islot ofcause world opinion. as i think it will do the cause. islot of good. world opinion. as i think it will do the cause. islot of good. so world opinion. as i think it will do the cause. islot of good. so i)rld opinion. as i think it will do the cause. islot of good. so i think)inion. a lot of good. so i think they're right to be moving towards, at the very least, these four hour pauses to allow more and to allow people more aid in and to allow people to to north the to move from the to north the south of gaza, which is what they've been very clear about, where going to where their attack is going to be going. >> you had three weeks to be going. >> to you had three weeks to be going. >> to you that. :hree weeks to be going. >> to you that.:hree w(it's to know to do that. i know it's tough, that tough, but they had all that time , won't it? surely time, won't it? surely emblazoned , lizzie, to emblazoned hamas, lizzie, to give them more time. >> he vegetarian pauses usually means getting food and aid to the civilians but to hamas they are funding themselves. and that is the truth of it. they're only helping themselves and aid, you know, israel. i think . well,

know, israel. i think. well, they're doing everything under international law, in my eyes. and i'm sorry for those that i witnessed today chanting for a ceasefire. they are saying this with ignorance because how can there be a ceasefire you know, hamas have got a gun to the heads of 300 and 237 hostages still all. and there was a ceasefire before the 7th of october. this war could be stopped if they gave back the hostages . but we're stopped if they gave back the hostages. but we're dealing stopped if they gave back the hostages . but we're dealing with hostages. but we're dealing with a death cult, which is hamas. can we negotiate with terrorists? can we believe anything they'll say and do? no, we can't . and that's the thing we can't. and that's the thing people understand . and people don't understand. and that's of the people that that's a lot of the people that are don't are on the marches today don't get . get. >> well. that's what i was saying, that the mindset are saying, that the mindset we are not within that mindset. we don't understand the way these people think and they care people think and they don't care . just care. . they just don't care. >> to people . mean, >> talking to people. i mean, what is what we haven't mentioned is i don't know you've this don't know if you've seen this extraordinary week extraordinary footage this week where person where some very clever person went just asked very simple went and just asked very simple questions to people on last week's and two of them

week's march and two of them just didn't really understand who mean, it's who hamas were. i mean, it's worth looking at online because people marching and people are just marching and saying they don't saying things that they don't understand it's understand when it's such a complicated so complicated situation. so i mean, people calling for ceasefire that by calling ceasefire think that by calling for that they're for ceasefire, that they're going to solve the problem. and clearly they're nobody going to solve the problem. and clearly trimages nobody going to solve the problem. and clearly trimages of nobody going to solve the problem. and clearly trimages of what's' likes the images of what's happening in gaza in the americans have said that they're worried that too many palestinian being killed. palestinian are being killed. so what humanitarian what we need is humanitarian pauses, will enable aid to pauses, which will enable aid to get in, but also enable gazans to move, but ultimately will help the cause of israel because they they they will be seen to be doing the right thing. they they they will be seen to be do 1g the right thing. they they they will be seen to be do you1e right thing. they they they will be seen to be do you know1t thing. they they they will be seen to be do you know1t thirreally >> do you know what really annoys they annoys me here is that they have the hostage have the hostage is hamas have the hostages could hostages which they could release should release hostages which they could release reason should release hostages which they could release reason whyyuld release hostages which they could release reason why israel lease hostages which they could release reason why israel does the only reason why israel does not look like gaza because of not look like gaza is because of the they they're the iron dome. so they they're receiving all the time receiving missiles all the time and everyone's going, oh, it's like, been like, no, hold on. this has been happening israel before happening to israel before this conflict. that's why they conflict. and that's why they built dome. so i'm getting built the dome. so i'm getting a bit they're saying all the death and in gaza, it's and destruction in gaza, it's awful. that that and destruction in gaza, it's awful. that be that and destruction in gaza, it's

awful. that be whatt and destruction in gaza, it's awful. that be what israel would that would be what israel would that would be what israel would look like had it not been for defence system. for their defence system. >> done to >> and hamas have done this to their own people, to the palestinians. know, they are palestinians. you know, they are hiding schools, hiding, hiding under schools, hiding, you know , under hospitals. hamas you know, under hospitals. hamas are the problem. hamas could stop this now, right now , but stop this now, right now, but they won't they will not give back. the hostages and israel have every right to defend themselves. >> and i completely agree with israel's right to defend itself. israel's right to defend itself. i think that as the i just think that as the american government does that, you think the you know, and i think the british as well, british government does as well, which they should be humanitari pauses to enable people to move from from the north to the south of but also, of course, of gaza, but also, of course, eqypt of gaza, but also, of course, egypt needs the egypt needs to keep the rafah crossing open . but egypt don't crossing open. but egypt don't want hamas. >> they don't want hamas . they >> they don't want hamas. they don't want them. >> they don't want hamas. they dorobviously, m. >> they don't want hamas. they dor obviously, m. now >> they don't want hamas. they dorobviously, m. now seen >> obviously, we've now seen this quite lot of people this week quite a lot of people with passports . with international passports. it's going rafah it's going over the rafah crossing. not crossing. but egypt is not allowing basically who allowing anybody basically who lives permanently to lives in gaza permanently to cross that. so it's a complicated situation. it's not all israel's are thinking this is a weakness in israel and they will it in every way they

can. >> well, it's terrorists. >> well, it's terrorists. >> well, it's terrorists. >> well, let's see what our viewers think, because the show is nothing without let's is nothing without them. let's welcome our great british voices, be voices, their opportunity to be on tell what on the show. tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. i've got discussing. so today, i've got three of you i want for your i'm going to start with you, brian dooganin going to start with you, brian doogan in solihull. brian >> hi, nana um, there's simply no alternative but to allow for humanitarian pauses. um, civilians need to be protected. there needs to be a scale up in the humanitarian response. >> more than 11,000 people killed since israel launched counter attack after the terrible atrocities that happened on october 7th and was instigated by hamas, a child is killed in gaza on average . every killed in gaza on average. every ten minutes. >> yeah , the main hospital, the >> yeah, the main hospital, the al—shifa hospital, is besieged . al—shifa hospital, is besieged. there's no power , no medicine, there's no power, no medicine, no . water there are 500 patients no. water there are 500 patients there. nana and there are

thousands of people taking refuge in the hospital. it is besieged. there's no one getting in, no one getting out. 1.5 million people being displaced . million people being displaced. it absolutely needs to be humanitarian pauses, but i hear you, brian. >> but so your audio is cutting out a bit. but i hear you. but i mean, a lot of this could stop if they would perhaps release the hostages. let's go to alan if they would perhaps release the h(alan, s. let's go to alan if they would perhaps release the h(alan, you're; go to alan if they would perhaps release the h(alan, you're; go tcinlan cook. alan, you're there in london. alan hi, nana thanks for having me on again. >> yes, i've actually i was down by the cenotaph at 11:00 this morning , uh, paying respects . so morning, uh, paying respects. so we actually have a family home on grosvenor place. >> so the march past and from what i saw, it was very peaceful . but with regards to the ceasefire, certainly not with regards to humanitarian pauses, then let in the obvious to let in medication and food and to

let out foreign nationals. >> then then, yes . >> then then, yes. >> then then, yes. >> yeah. well, do you know what i think? i'd like to see them release the hostages, actually. and i'd be happy to pause. jonathan jonathan jonathan in cornwall. jonathan jonathan, you all right? >> yeah. hi, nana. >> yeah. hi, nana. >> i think you wouldn't be surprised. i'm a bit of a tea and , man. i probably and sympathy, man. i probably would pauses, but, would go with those pauses, but, you chatting to some you know, i was chatting to some big down big fans of yours down at west country woodworking , and they country woodworking, and they said, minute. said, hang on a minute. >> they've had loads pauses. >> they've had loads of pauses. and those and what about those neighbouring countries have neighbouring countries that have done ? i think neighbouring countries that have don probably ? i think neighbouring countries that have don probably being ? i think neighbouring countries that have don probably being a ? i think neighbouring countries that have don probably being a bit i think neighbouring countries that have don probably being a bit soft:hink neighbouring countries that have don probably being a bit soft on k i'm probably being a bit soft on this. yeah, i'm balance. i this. so yeah, i'm balance. i think you've got to be very careful it's very difficult careful. it's a very difficult situation right now, isn't it? it's always good to pause for a cup of tea though, isn't it? >> there? i thought you were >> in there? i thought you were going to say that as well . going to say that as well. although alan's got a nice big glass of wine there. alan cook, he's always one ahead of us. listen thank you very much, bhan listen thank you very much, brian allen and also jonathan, really good to talk to you. those are my great british voices on voices but i've got to move on to caught my voices but i've got to move on to a caught my

voices but i've got to move on to a counter—terrorjht my eye, a counter—terror investigation has been launched after a deep fake emerged of london mayor sadiq khan backing the pro—palestinian protest on armistice day. have a listen to this . this. >> we have armistice day on saturday, but why should londoners cancelled the palestinian march on saturday? >> why don't they have remembrance weekend next weekend ? >> what's happening in 7 >> what's happening in gaza is much bigger than this weekend, andifs much bigger than this weekend, and it's current. >> that is not his voice. that is a deep fake of his voice . i is a deep fake of his voice. i mean, you would have i worked it out just from was out just from what he was saying. like he would saying. it was not like he would saying. it was not like he would say what did panel say that. but what did my panel make of that? well, don't make of that? well, i don't think deep fried. think there's good deep fried. >> think the >> i don't think i think the keir starmer one was much better two kid was >> there was a kid there was one on starmer, sounded >> there was a kid there was one on more men sounded >> there was a kid there was one on more like sounded >> there was a kid there was one on more like him. sounded much more like him. >> me. >> that totally fooled me. the keir starmer that i can tell isn't . but it's a big risk in isn't. but it's a big risk in politics. i actually wouldn't be surprised if did that. oh surprised if he did say that. oh no, i'm sorry . no, i'm sorry. >> he wouldn't say not that stupid. yeah i mean, he's not great, but he wouldn't great, but. but. but he wouldn't say that. >> but n say that. >> but i think if >> but i mean, i think if just for of quality of our for the sort of quality of our pubuc for the sort of quality of our public really big

public life, it's a really big threat . i public life, it's a really big threat. i mean, when threat. i mean, not when it's that quality, one, we that quality, but the one, as we say, starmer or images, say, the keir starmer or images, of be doctored. so of course, can be doctored. so easily i it's easily now. so i think it's going big thing and it's going to be a big thing and it's why news why we need sensible news sources so that people know what they're thinking and social media right. and media is or isn't. right. and it's true. media is or isn't. right. and it's you're getting with >> you're getting fake news with what's going on with the war and, you know, with photographs. and properly, and unless you look properly, then you saw there was a woman with photo had like six with this photo had like six fingers. it wasn't done right. it was fake news. and this is what is very scary at the minute. >> well, they're getting good at it, aren't they? so are you worried, lizzy, about this deepfake stuff? mean, deepfake stuff? i mean, obviously, mimic deepfake stuff? i mean, obvi(voice. mimic deepfake stuff? i mean, obvi(voice. you're mimic deepfake stuff? i mean, obvi(voice. you're a mimic deepfake stuff? i mean, obvi(voice. you're a lotimic deepfake stuff? i mean, obvi(voice. you're a lot of c your voice. you're on a lot of things they could get. of course, voice. things they could get. of couwell, voice. things they could get. of couwell, vo because is >> well, yeah, because it is fake news. it is worrying for anyone who's in the public eye, in or in media or politics or whatever. it is, whatever. of course it is, especially cancel especially with this cancel culture as well. culture behaviour as well. >> you do something they think, culture behaviour as well. >> you do something they think, culture behaviour as well. >> you do scthat�*ning they think, culture behaviour as well. >> you do scthat�*ning th people 1, oh, you said that sunak people try something oh, you said that sunak people tryyou something oh, you said that sunak people tryyou can something oh, you said that sunak people tryyou can be something oh, you said that sunak people tryyou can be cancelled,mething oh, you said that sunak people tryyou can be cancelled, which|g so you can be cancelled, which is would would is what they would do would lose, lose you. >> election if people were >> the election if people were to it has >> the election if people were to in it has >> the election if people were to in past, it has >> the election if people were to in past, hasn't as >> the election if people were to in past, hasn't it? done in the past, hasn't it? >> mean, think it certainly >> i mean, i think it certainly we've that in we've already seen that in america. and think we've america. and i think we've there's america. and i think we've there'about how of the news

today about how much of the news people consuming about the people are consuming about the conflict is not genuine. but it's not just frightens me because that's what's fuelling people going on the protests. >> but it's just stuff >> but it's not just stuff like that where that because i read one where they the of they they mimic the voice of someone's and told them to someone's child and told them to come somewhere and the child. so they things they can do very sinister things with this as well. so you have to you have to be frightening. so you have to be frightening. so you have to be frightening. so you have to be clever with it. so you need words things to be clever with it. so you nee(that. words things to be clever with it. so you nee(that. that'srds things to be clever with it. so you nee(that. that'srds idea.s like that. that's a good idea. >> anyway, anyway, it's time >> but anyway, anyway, it's time now, quick quiz now, though, for our quick quiz part i test my part of the show where i test my panel of other panel on some of the other stories headlines stories hitting the headlines right i'm by right now. i'm joined by broadcast lizzie broadcast columnist lizzie cundy. please . and cundy. your buzzer, please. and also laza, former labour also matthew laza, former labour adviser. your buzzer, please , adviser. your buzzer, please, please play along at home. question one how many laws were announced in the king's speech? was it 19, 20 or 21? matthew laza 1919. lizzie cundy 1921. you could have said another one. i thought it was 19. sounded convincing. >> they were. that's the secret. that's the secret. >> yeah, that's the secret . >> yeah, that's the secret. >> yeah, that's the secret. >> it's what we call bs. >> it's what we call bs. >> when you've got options,

multiple choice, don't ever follow him. >> em- follow him. >> in the future e in the future , right? >> yeah. the answer was actually 20. that were so pathetic 20. that they were so pathetic that forgotten them. well, that we've forgotten them. well, that's not fair on the king. >> it's not very fair. >> it's not very fair. >> the king's was sunak >> the king's fault was sunak the person who wrote them. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> friends wife >> i'm friends with his wife now. no she's been >> be nice. no she's been ianed >> be nice. no she's been invited to the palace. she met camilla the other right? invited to the palace. she met canindeed. other right? invited to the palace. she met canindeed. question right? day invited to the palace. she met caaneeki. question right? day invited to the palace. she met caaneeki. qlisrael| right? day this week did israel agree to? humanitarian in gaza? was humanitarian pauses in gaza? was it tuesday, wednesday or thursday . i it tuesday, wednesday or thursday. i think that was lizzie cundy . lizzie cundy. >> i'm going to say thursday. >> i'm going to say thursday. >> that's the last i was actually going to say thursday as i have to take your as well. but i have to take your first was thursday , 1.2. lizzie, >> it was thursday, 1.2. lizzie, nothing for you , matthew nothing for you, matthew nothing, because you just copied her. question three king charles delivered the first king's speech in more than how many years was it? a 60 years? b, 70 years? c , 80 years? lizzie years? or c, 80 years? lizzie cundy 70. matthew laza, 70. you didn't press your buzzer. so even if you had got it right and she gotit even if you had got it right and she got it you got she got it wrong, you got nothing. he always gets 70 years, isn't it? >> upset when you >> you get very upset when you don't win this in the green

room. idea. room. you have no idea. >> we're at >> i think we're almost at the point can't point where he can't win. i think can't win. think i can't win. >> not just the not just the quiz, generally . quiz, but just generally. >> question four which tech billionaire to have his billionaire is set to have his biopic directed by oscar nominated filmmaker jeff ? biopic directed by oscar nominated filmmakerjeff ? is it nominated filmmaker jeff? is it a, jeff bezos? b, mark zuckerberg or c, elon musk matthew laza. elon musk. elon musk. >> it is elon musk. i'll go for a go . a go. >> which is. yeah. is elon musk. you absolutely right. one point at last. no, no . and five the at last. no, no. and five the decide what day did the sag afternoon union announce an end to hollywood strikes or the sag was it monday, wednesday or thursday ? uh, well, i don't know thursday? uh, well, i don't know who was first. i think it was me. it was all right, matthew. >> it was c thursday. >> it was c thursday. >> lizzie cundy i thought it was b b which wednesday . b b which is wednesday. >> the answer is wednesday . that >> the answer is wednesday. that convincing voice you win, you're wrong . he was wrong. it's wrong. he was wrong. it's actually wednesday. lizzie was the way you said that. as though you knew what you're talking

about. and you idea. about. and you had no idea. >> got. i've got one. that >> i've got. i've got one. that would be great quiz. did would be great for the quiz. did you real you know that sevilla's real name suella? and they and her name is suella? and they and her mother dallas? mother was a fan of dallas? >> that is true . amazing. so >> that is true. amazing. so true. bit of facts. yes but they changed it because at school the girls couldn't say it. >> so the teacher called her suella. that's how it started . suella. that's how it started. >> suella had those eyes, though, when she was looking at it. crystal. it. oh, no, that crystal. crystal crystal carrington with her eyes die the shower? >> no , no, that was. >> no, no, that was. >> no, no, that was. >> that was bobby. bobby, bobby. >> that was bobby. bobby, bobby. >> you're nothing but a drunk. elon >> you're nothing but a drunk. i love that. listen, like love that. well, listen, i like dynasty better. loads of messages wasn't messages came in. that wasn't very says she's 100% very good, jane says she's 100% right. about the right. we're talking about the pro—palestine they pro—palestine marches. they should another day. should be held on another day. any than that any other day rather than that one. it talks about suella. one. but it talks about suella. he that israelis completely he says that israelis completely inappropriate public office, inappropriate for public office, davis said. good afternoon, dana. it's suella goes so does my tory vote. lots of you saying stuff that and skip says 82 stuff like that and skip says 82 british supporters arrested by woke met but no pro—palestine and protesters arrested disgrace . yes. well, listen, on today's

show, i've been asking was suella right to call for pro—palestine marchers to be banned? according to our twitter poll, 83% of you agree with her and say yes , she was. i agree and say yes, she was. i agree with her as well. 17% of you say no . so. well, i've got to say no. so. well, i've got to say thank you so much to my panel broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy. thank you . thank you very cundy. thank you. thank you very much. and thank you for getting their. >> eventually here. i got >> eventually i got here. i got here. but, you safe out here. but, you know, be safe out there, folks. it's quite frightening. >> also former labour >> and also former labour adviser matthew. >> pleasure. >> always a pleasure. >> always a pleasure. >> thank >> always a pleasure. >> so thank >> always a pleasure. >> so much. thank >> always a pleasure. >> so much. and thank >> always a pleasure. >> so much. and a thank >> always a pleasure. >> so much. and a huge thank >> always a pleasure. >> so much. and a huge thank you so much. and a huge thank you so much. and a huge thank you you at home forjoining you to you at home for joining me. been pleasure, as me. it's been a pleasure, as even me. it's been a pleasure, as ever. forward to seeing ever. i look forward to seeing you same you tomorrow. at the same time, same three. i'll leave same place at three. i'll leave you the weather. enjoy your you with the weather. enjoy your evening. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey your gb news vautrey here of your gb news weather by the weather forecast provided by the met of us that met office. those of us that hold on clear overnight hold on to clear skies overnight do have the chance seeing the do have the chance of seeing the aurora. keep eye out. aurora. so keep an eye out. unfortunately southern areas unfortunately for southern areas of it is of england and wales, it is going increasingly going to turn increasingly cloudy rain cloudy as this band of rain pushes its way in. could be some heavy pulses times also heavy pulses at times. also quite windy, particularly along coastal areas. the rain, though,

quite windy, particularly along coastal ineas. the rain, though, quite windy, particularly along coastal in some|e rain, though, quite windy, particularly along coastal in some milderthough, quite windy, particularly along coastal in some milder ainigh, quite windy, particularly along coastal in some milder air. so, feeding in some milder air. so temperatures here holding up a touch more overnight. but where you clear you hold on to the clear skies across england into across northeast england into scotland, will very chilly scotland, it will be very chilly with some frost. these with some frost. also, these locations seeing some fog forming that will provide forming and that will provide forming and that will provide for murky start to for quite a murky start to sunday . could be quite for quite a murky start to sundto . could be quite for quite a murky start to sundto clear, . could be quite for quite a murky start to sundto clear, lasting|ld be quite for quite a murky start to sundto clear, lasting until quite for quite a murky start to sundto clear, lasting until the te slow to clear, lasting until the start the afternoon in some slow to clear, lasting until the start but afternoon in some slow to clear, lasting until the start but once noon in some slow to clear, lasting until the start but once no does some slow to clear, lasting until the start but once no does leave slow to clear, lasting until the staway but once no does leave slow to clear, lasting until the staway off, once no does leave slow to clear, lasting until the staway off, there 10 does leave slow to clear, lasting until the staway off, there 10 do be leave slow to clear, lasting until the staway off, there 10 do be some its way off, there will be some sunny spells for scotland and northeast elsewhere, sunny spells for scotland and nort band elsewhere, sunny spells for scotland and nortband of elsewhere, sunny spells for scotland and nortband of rain elsewhere, sunny spells for scotland and nortband of rain pushing here, sunny spells for scotland and nortband of rain pushing itsa, this band of rain pushing its way in heavy pulses following on behind well , way in heavy pulses following on behind well, perhaps behind that as well, perhaps lighter and patchy parts of lighter and patchy for parts of southeast england, but still fairly throughout a good fairly cloudy throughout a good portion day. temperatures portion of the day. temperatures generally between 7 and 13 c. portion of the day. temperatures genyfeelingatween 7 and 13 c. portion of the day. temperatures genyfeeling particularlyd 13 c. portion of the day. temperatures genyfeeling particularly cole. but feeling particularly cold where the fog does linger for a good portion of the day. on monday, our attention to monday, our attention returns to this area low pressure. this area of low pressure. there is still some uncertainty in regards stream is regards to how the jet stream is going up and going to help spin this up and develop it does look develop it. but it does look like it could a pretty like it could be a pretty widely unsettled band of unsettled day with this band of heavy rain moving its way through, by through, followed by some blustery that, blustery showers behind that, a swathe of gales pushing across areas of england and wales, quite breezy across northern areas scotland well . the areas of scotland as well. the

precipitation here precipitation more showery here and into the middle part of the week will hold on to week as well. we will hold on to a theme with a fairly unsettled theme with sunshine by

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the new john lewis christmas advert and will ask how and why these adverts have changed over these adverts have changed over the years. all of that and plenty of chat with my panellist, author, columnist and presenter tanya buxton. but first an update on the latest news from aaron armstrong . very news from aaron armstrong. very good evening to you at 6:00. >> i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. one of the biggest political demonstrations in british history has now come to an end in london with organisers of pro—palestinian of the pro—palestinian march asking crowds to disperse peacefully. hundreds of thousands of people took part in the rally, which coincided with armistice day. people were marching park to the marching from hyde park to the us embassy in nine elms. they've been calling for a