rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight . the rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight. the home rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight . the home secretary, tonight. the home secretary, suella braverman, has reasserted her castigation of the hate marchers. as we approach armistice day this saturday, another twist to the tale. she's accused the police of double standards. when dealing with protesters. while sir everard and anti—lockdown protesters were dealt with harshly. police officers were seen participating in the black lives matter mob . in the black lives matter mob. but all of this poses the broader question about the role of multiculturalism and how it plays into these marches . we plays into these marches. we have a group of people in this country who feel distant from british traditions, and so they're willing to march for palestine on armistice as palestine on armistice day. as ever , it goes back to getting ever, it goes back to getting mass migration numbers down. meanwhile in the latest chapter in the bbc, impartiality row is the public service broadcaster changes its social media policy. it pushes out former countdown host turned friend of david cameron turned anti—tory activist carl voldemort from her bbc wales radio programme. but what does this mean for gareth linklater and his obsession with

comparing everyone to nazis except those who actually are comparable to nazis? plus the great women of the united kingdom have topped the world rankings of binge drinkers, as gb news is very own, nana akua says. perhaps it's something to do with bottomless brunches, whatever they may be, and ballooning wine glasses is, as even ballooning wine glasses is, as ever, will be advocating for drinking whilst drinking responsibly whilst also trying to raise your spirits . trying to raise your spirits. i'll also be joined by supremely intellectual panel this evening . intellectual panel this evening. gb news is senior political commentator nigel nelson and the editor of conservativehome paul goodman. as always, as usual, i want to hear from you. it's a crucial part of the programme. email mail, gbnews.com. email me at mail, gbnews.com. but now it's time for the news of wenzler . of the day with sophia wenzler. i'm sophia wenzler in the

newsroom . newsroom. >> i'm prime minister rishi sunakis >> i'm prime minister rishi sunak is facing calls to sack suella braverman after she defied suella braverman after she defied downing street with her met criticism comments in an article in the times today. the home secretary accused the metropolitan police of playing favourites with pro—palestinian protesters . labour's national protesters. labour's national campaign coordinator , pat campaign coordinator, pat mcfadden, says that she breached the code by failing to clear the editorial deal with number 10 london mayor sadiq khan says he's astonished by the article . he's astonished by the article. >> i think her behaviour over the last few weeks has been behaviour that is irresponsible able. her article in the times was incorrect and inflammatory at a time when senior politicians should be bringing communities together for uniting people who have differences. instead, she is stoking divisions and i worry as a consequence of her words and her behaviour, you'll see this saturday on armistice day by the far right edl and other like

people turning up on saturday causing problems . causing problems. >> meanwhile , veterans minister >> meanwhile, veterans minister johnny mercer says people shouldn't feel discouraged from joining in the weekend's remembrance events in london on they're not going to be anywhere near the cenotaph and the metropolitan police are bending over backwards to make sure that everybody who comes up into london, whether you're selling poppies, whether you're attending reunion you're attending a reunion or you're going to remembrance, is completely unmolested and allowed to get on with what is a really special , allowed to get on with what is a really special, important weekend weekend , we spent weekend this weekend, we spent all week making sure that can happen. >> and encourage people >> and i really encourage people to come into london and remember in the way we always do this weekend . weekend. >> israel agreed to a series >> israel has agreed to a series of pauses in fighting in northern gaza. the white house says there will be daily four hour pauses starting from today. it comes after discussions between us and israeli officials in recent days, including talks us president joe biden had with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu . the us says it will

netanyahu. the us says it will allow people to get out of harm's way and for the delivery of humanitarian aid. the supreme court is set to give its decision on whether a government plan to deport asylum seekers to rwanda is lawful. the court of appeal ruled in june the plan to deport those seeking asylum to the east african nation was unlawful. the home office challenged that ruling last month. the decision on the challenge is expected to be met on wednesday , and the queen has on wednesday, and the queen has commemorated the nation's war dead at a ceremony at westminster abbey's field of remembrance. camilla paid tribute to and recognised the sacrifices of those who fought and died for their country in their first visit to the abbey since the coronation. after placing the cross down, camilla and hundreds of veterans fell silent as the chimes of big ben rang out. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to . jacob

news. now it's back to. jacob after the brutal murder of sarah everard , protesters took to the everard, protesters took to the streets of britain during lockdown to demonstrate support for rights and told the for women's rights and told the police account. for women's rights and told the polas account. for women's rights and told the polas reminder of how the >> as a reminder of how the police . police responded. also during lockdown , people who also during lockdown, people who protested against the rules and called for freedom for an end to the control were met with the called for freedom for an end to the force»l were met with the called for freedom for an end to the force of vere met with the called for freedom for an end to the force of the met with the called for freedom for an end to the force of the law with the called for freedom for an end to the force of the law .nith the called for freedom for an end to the force of the law . indeed, full force of the law. indeed, when far right or nationalist protesters have protested in the past crossed the line past and have crossed the line of constitutes peaceful of what constitutes peaceful protest, police have protest, the police have absolutely rightly cracked down on in 2020, when black on it. but in 2020, when black lives matter, riots unfolded across britain , we did not have across britain, we did not have the same response . we saw the same response. we saw everything from the vandalising of statue of churchill in of the statue of churchill in parliament to people parliament square to people climbing trying climbing on the cenotaph, trying to the union jack to people to burn the union jack to people fighting police, to statues being pulled down. here's a reminder . no

being pulled down. here's a reminder. no peace. no peace . reminder. no peace. no peace. >> no .justice >> no. justice >> no. justice >> and what did we see from the police? we saw not stern policing, keeping rioters in line, but the police themselves participating in the radical marxist anti—british movement . marxist anti—british movement. another aide memoire police were filmed taking the knee with the protesters . and now we have protesters. and now we have islamist groups like his ltn here calling jihad for muslim armies to destroy israel . we armies to destroy israel. we have people parading the streets, waving flags associated with bin laden. we have more people fighting with police. fireworks shot at the police flares and smoke grenades being set off, balaclavas being worn . set off, balaclavas being worn. sheer thuggery across the country . what have we been country. what have we been seeing from the police? well we've seen pontificate we've seen them pontificate about jihad and about the meaning of jihad and stand whilst people make stand idly by whilst people make genocidal on genocidal chants, climb on pubuc genocidal chants, climb on public monuments and set off fireworks in their direction . so fireworks in their direction. so the is right to the home secretary is right to highlight these inconsistencies. policing needs to be impartial

and affect everyone in the same way . now, there is a legitimate way. now, there is a legitimate question about whether they have the powers that they need, but they them when it they seem to have them when it was the sarah everard protest and whether they have them now for dealing with people marching who are calling forjihad who are calling for jihad because as there have already been instances of violence, thus the home secretary has said what many people are thinking and the calls to sack her seem to be, despite proportionate because whether she's broken the ministerial code or not is something of moot as something of a moot point. as she talking about her own she was talking about her own departmental where she has departmental area where she has direct responsibility . but direct responsibility. but really, truthfully, people are expecting the government to act, not just to commentate the moment . the government seems to moment. the government seems to be unsure where it's going and this is leaving a vacuum which the police are unable to fill. as always, as you know, i want to hear from you, mal margaret gbnews.com. but i'm delighted to be joined now by a former cabinet minister under tony blair, shaun woodward , and blair, shaun woodward, and friend of programme. and friend of the programme. and i

think is, was think the first question is, was the home secretary right to say what said or does that what she said or does that undermine independence undermine the independence operation police? i think operation of the police? i think the home secretary has to back the home secretary has to back the police. the home secretary has to back the somee. the home secretary has to back the some of the pictures you >> some of the pictures you showed of rioting in the 2020 penod showed of rioting in the 2020 period are shocking and i would condemn many of the things that we saw in those pictures . but we saw in those pictures. but today, what happened was not just any mp and dare i say it, you as an mp or me as a former mp, but the home secretary said something she compared, for example, this to what was happening in northern ireland, which was every body has realised demonstrate to the home secretary doesn't understand what is happening in northern ireland because clearly in offending the orange order quite so incredibly today, she showed that she just doesn't understand what's happening. but secondly, she effective failed to back the police . now, as home secretary, police. now, as home secretary, there was something you can do about that. you can actually bnng about that. you can actually bring an end to your police commissioner if you really think they're wrong. the police

commissioner set out yesterday the circumstances which would allow a decision to ban on the march to happen and very clearly said that there was no evidence to go to the home secretary with that request. and i would add just one more in dividual to jacob this very important group of people on monday, this week , of people on monday, this week, the government's own independent adviser on terrorism legislation , a king's counsel, jonathan hall , said , a king's counsel, jonathan hall, said that , a king's counsel, jonathan hall , said that freedom of hall, said that freedom of speech matters and he would not want to see the march banned . so want to see the march banned. so it's a difficult position for the prime minister, but nonetheless , the home secretary nonetheless, the home secretary today didn't back her police force and she should have done. >> well , we force and she should have done. >> well, we had lord anderson on this programme a few weeks ago, a former terrorism adviser to the government , a former terrorism adviser to the government, and he thought that police did have the powers to intervene and to be more robust when people were calling for jihad and were clearly

promoting and supporting terrorism. >> and he was quite surprised that the police hadn't been more forceful as they had been with the sarah everard case. and this is the sort of interesting comparison that there was a protest in support of a lady who'd been murdered actually by a serving police man. and the police weighed in and they were carrying women out of the relatively be civil crowd until they started acting . and yet they started acting. and yet people who have at least a sympathy with terrorism seem to be able to get away with it. >> well, i think you have to deal today with the people who are in the job right now, not people who were the job. people who were in the job. so if adviser to if the independent adviser to the government on terrorism legislation says, i think the march should go ahead , if your march should go ahead, if your metropolitan commissioner metropolitan police commissioner says, i can see no evidence, which allows me to bring to the home secretary a request to ban the march . you either have to the march. you either have to back them or accept that you are not backing the people to do the

job. and why? i think this matters so much and something that you and i have discussed is that you and i have discussed is that we have to trust the police . so if the home secretary is effectively saying, i don't trust the judgement of the man at the very top of the met, that's a very serious breakdown of relationships. and one or other has to go. >> and that's clearly true in terms of breakdown of relationship. and we saw that with crested dick's departure when the mayor of london decided that she had to go to. but in the context of evidence about violence , haven't we already violence, haven't we already seen violence in these protests? we saw a man with israeli flag being chased. we've seen fireworks shot off at the police . there have been these instances already . so it seems instances already. so it seems very odd for the commissioner of the metropolitan police to say he sees no evidence that there may be violence. well, again, you can't bring the evidence of something that have happened something that may have happened last week the week before. last week or the week before. >> i think you can actually.

>> i think you can actually. >> sorry to interrupt, but if you've things going on for you've had things going on for three a row and in three weeks in a row and in every single one of them, there has been some instance of violence. doesn't take a violence. it doesn't take a great leap of the imagination on to think that the fourth will have similar problems . have similar problems. >> no, but i was as secretary of state in northern ireland and the situation is extremely different. not the same as the home secretary suggested , but home secretary suggested, but when the parades and marches happenedin when the parades and marches happened in northern ireland, you have to reach views on whether can happen. and i whether they can happen. and i always thought you judged each on case. if there was on an indian case. if there was reason to have any judgement. now those marches in northern ireland are completely different and a world apart from what the home secretary seems to think they are. >> i don't. i don't understand the reference to northern ireland in the home secretary's piece . i did. ireland in the home secretary's piece. i did. but it has inflamed things in northern ireland. i didn't really see how that in to the rest of that fitted in to the rest of what was saying. what she was saying. but the other comparisons, thought other comparisons, i thought were quite that there were quite powerful that there does to a difference in

does seem to be a difference in approach. so if you protested against lockdown, you were arrested. if you were black lives matter, the police took the knee . surely that approach the knee. surely that approach has undermined confidence in the police's impartiality . police's impartiality. >> my concern here is that the home secretary's job is a judgement call , and if you end judgement call, and if you end up in a position where you undermine the authority of the person at the top of the met, you have to face the consequences of doing that . this consequences of doing that. this is not a casual remark by just any other mp . this is the home any other mp. this is the home secretary . that relationship secretary. that relationship today was torn up. >> look , i completely agree with >> look, i completely agree with that. i think you and i, as former mp and as an mp, are free to commentate. the home secretary is in charge . and this secretary is in charge. and this means that if there is violence on saturday, the commissioner of the metropolitan police will find it very difficult to be commissioner on monday. is that fair? commissioner on monday. is that fairi think that would be the >> i think that would be the case he ignored . evidence. case if he is ignored. evidence. now there. there is no

now that was there. there is no evidence based on what he said that we are expecting an outbreak of public disorder there on saturday. >> isn't there a tougher test, actually, that if he hasn't found the evidence, it may be that the police aren't up to finding evidence rather than just that there isn't any . just that there isn't any. >> but we've got a problem >> but then we've got a problem again, a again, because if we've got a home after all, this home secretary after all, this is a police force that serves under this government. if the home secretary is saying, i don't trust the judge servant of the people at the top of the met, that's a complete breakdown. and that's what's really on the table here. it's because whether there is unfortunately some event on saturday that we will all condemn if something like that happens. condemn if something like that happens . but whether there's happens. but whether there's some event or not on monday, this breakdown of a relationship between the home secretary and the police as a home secretary who doesn't back the police and think about it just for a moment. and many viewers watching this programme, i'm sure, would be really appalled

to think that a conservative home secretary isn't backing the police . and when that happens , police. and when that happens, whether there's disorder on saturday or not, on monday , the saturday or not, on monday, the person at the top of the mat has to deal with the home secretary, who has effectively said, i don't think your judgement is any good at all. >> it is a most extraordinary political circumstance . sean, political circumstance. sean, thank you very much. coming up, we'll be asking if these marches evidence that multiculturalism has failed . plus, will new bbc has failed. plus, will new bbc social guidelines mean gareth linklater has to tone down the tory hate .

radio. >> welcome back. i'm still jacob rees—mogg . this is still the rees—mogg. this is still the state of the nation we've been discussing whether there's a double standard in british policing and been sending policing and you've been sending

in thoughts, says. in your thoughts, john says. jacob spot on. i'm jacob suella is spot on. i'm a former policeman and no , she is former policeman and no, she is right. no she should right. barbara. no she should not be sacked, but promoted to prime minister. and aaron says just listening to steve khan stating braverman is stating suella braverman is acting by saying acting irresponsibly by saying what she did, said the man, acting irresponsibly, robbing the poor through ulez suella should receive a damehood for the service she requests for the british public. and daniel, the police are backing off because they're outnumbered afraid . they're outnumbered and afraid. i walked through liverpool i walked through the liverpool street and the police street protest and the police looked . well, what's looked terrified. well, what's wrong? the police. i want wrong? the police. i always want to police at to thank the police at parliament because they protect us from unknown dangers and they do it with enormous courtesy and civility. and i'm a huge admirer of them. regardless of what's going on elsewhere . so british going on elsewhere. so british heritage and history extends far beyond the shores of these islands. the british empire was the largest in history the largest in the history of the largest in the history of the world, meant when the world, which meant that when we our empire we went to war, our empire played as role in played as large a role in victory as the home land. why does this matter? well this

weekend, the nation will commemorate the war dead on armistice remembrance armistice day and remembrance sunday and commemoration is sunday and this commemoration is for britons . as britain a for all britons. as britain is a multicultural society and many of our ethnic minorities come from commonwealth countries. that of the that is to say, part of the world many of world that sacrificed many of their the allied cause their own for the allied cause of world war one and two. but the fact that significant the fact that a significant number people want to march number of people want to march for cause palestine on for the cause of palestine on armistice day all days armistice day of all days suggests that they do not feel the same connection to our history. disappointing as history. and as disappointing as this surely it's no wonder, this is, surely it's no wonder, considering mass migration over the past 20 years with 606,000 being the net number last year has meant that there simply hasn't been integration hasn't been time for integration to catch up. well, i'm joined now by my panel, gb news is senior political commentator nigel nelson and the editor of conservativehome paul goodman. nigel, we're talking about multiculturalism again , but multiculturalism again, but actually it was suella braverman who raised this. first of all, do you think she is putting her finger on issues that the british are concerned about and

that nobody else is willing to talk about ? talk about? >> i think she's doing a lot of damage to multicultural ism itself . i mean, certainly from itself. i mean, certainly from the piece in the times this morning that it seems to be divisive communities , as divisive towards communities, as i think it's a dangerous piece . i think it's a dangerous piece. and when it comes to multiculturalism, i think that the debate about whether or not this march should take place on saturday has is now going off on tangents . it's that there's tangents. it's that there's nothing anti british about being pro—palestine . ian, i'd like to pro—palestine. ian, i'd like to have seen the organisers call off the march in in respect for this very special day in the british calendar. however i think thanks to what the home secretary has done , you now, secretary has done, you now, it's now too late to call off the march and to do so would cause more problems than it would solve . would solve. >> and i absolutely share your view. i would have liked the organiser others to have said, well, very day, well, on this very special day, this we this very special week end, we would like to call off the march

and it on monday or and we'll have it on monday or we'll the following we'll have it the following weekend. it is unusual to weekend. but it is unusual to have very large marches for events going on in other countries in which we're not directly involved . so with iraq, directly involved. so with iraq, we were involved in the iraq war, but there are no british troops on the ground in palestine. >> but think that one has >> no, but i think that one has to has respect the fact that to has to respect the fact that although what has happened in the middle since 1948 is the middle east since 1948 is primarily a dispute over territory, it is also significant, territory, it is also significant , largely territory, it is also significant, largely a religious problem, as well. now, we believe in this country, it's a british value to have freedom of religion. it doesn't seem to me unsurprising that british muslims feel very strongly about what is happening to muslims over there . over there. >> paul, what do you think suella position in all of this is that it wrote her article for the times that was pretty critical of the police, which for a home secretary as shaun woodward was saying to me, as far as i can think, unprecedented since robert peel

introduced the police force. what is she getting at? >> there are lots of moving parts to the suella braverman story, so there's her relationship with rishi sunak and the politics of it. >> there's whether she will be proved right or perhaps wrong by what happens this weekend. as a possible reshuffle. we hear next week and then next wednesday , week and then next wednesday, we're due to get the rwanda judgements. >> there's a lot of politics going on here. >> but on the sort of substance of the of the issue, i had more sympathy with what suella braverman was saying about policing because i think in certain respects our argument is solid and clearly shared by rishi sunak . rishi sunak. >> it's an interesting point here, but overall i think there is a problem and the problem is that generally we i think suella braverman almost always has a point , but braverman almost always has a point, but almost always she succeeds somehow in muddling the water. and i think the most vivid example of this was when she basically said that homelessness, which she confused with rough sleeping, is a

lifestyle choice. i think for anyone who knows anything about the subject and may know something of the endless circumstance in which people can become rough sleepers that showed a certain lack of emotion and intelligence. so there is a bit of an issue here. i think about suella braverman continue really pushing the boat out just a little bit further than rishi sunakis a little bit further than rishi sunak is prepared to go and that becomes a problem of managing a coherent government. >> but is that basically about appealing to the tory base and looking to a future leadership campaign? is this all about setting out her stall for a leadership contest at some point? >> i haven't got a sort of window to look into. suella braverman, but in fact my answer is surprising perhaps is only in part. i mean, i know suella braverman a bit. i've sat down and spoken to her and i've no doubt genuinely believes the doubt she genuinely believes the points she's making and were i her, i would feel patronised by the commissioner of police in london by some of the commentary

that and some of the stuff that's written about her. and i would feel were i her, i'm speaking for a large number of people now that doesn't necessarily mean in my view, that she's right, but i think sometimes she's got a point and that i think nigel is important that i think nigel is important that suella is speaking for a lot of people who feel voiceless. >> if we look at the male mmogs we're getting, they're all on suella side. if you look at the comments on the daily mail, they are all on suella side. and isn't this because people who are worried about this don't seem to have anyone else who speaking up for them? >> well, but she is the home secretary and as a result of that , she has secretary and as a result of that, she has a responsibility to calm things down, not to actually stoke them up. so what she is doing by the kind of inflammatory language that she was using today and on previous occasions on immigration, paul mentioned quite rightly about rough sleepers that i could see absolutely no reason to go and use that as a target. but so what i think she's failing to do

is actually live up to her responsibilities as as the home secretary at the moment, mark has got a really tricky job on saturday that if he gets it wrong, he's going to lose his job without without a doubt what she should have been doing is trying to support the police here rather than sowing more divisions and potentially encouraging counter—demonstrations to take place. >> but should the home secretary support the police even if she thinks the police over the last three weekends have failed and have let people down by not maintaining law and order? if that's position , surely that's her position, surely she's say something she's right to say something about she's right to say something abo but the whole thing is that >> but the whole thing is that they haven't down, down. they haven't let us down, down. i 200 i mean, there have been 200 arrests demonstrations . arrests at these demonstrations. so the police doing are so the police are doing are doing what parliament has has mandated them to do through the laws that they've made. and all the police can do is work on what you guys actually put through parliament. >> and that's a very fair point. and that suella, if she really wanted to, could fire sir mark

rowley, couldn't she? i mean, sadiq to of sadiq khan managed to get rid of cressida sadiq khan managed to get rid of cre�*it da sadiq khan managed to get rid of cre�*it is a problem for suella >> it is a problem for suella braverman you can look braverman that you can look impotent if you're permanently criticised using the police, but if you're a voter you see nothing actually happens. you look at the home secretary, you think you're the person in charge , why can't you sort it charge, why can't you sort it out? i think that is a weakness in her. >> and isn't same true with >> and isn't the same true with small that you on small boats that you keep on saying we don't want them? >> is absolutely >> the same is absolutely true of on the other of small bits. on the other hand, think that she has put hand, i think that she has put her finger on something important. point? yes, think important. point? yes, i think nigel right you want to nigel is right that you want to see your home secretaries have weight and dignity and be able to pull everyone together . but to pull everyone together. but what do you do ? you when there what do you do? you when there is a majority party, including members of all faiths and ethnicities, as you said in your very eloquent introduction , who very eloquent introduction, who respect and love the country's history and traditions and the best of it, and you can plainly see people out on the streets if

they're members of hizb ut—tahrir were calling for jihad or some of the chanting that i've seen today on twitter with people honouring the so—called palestinian martyrs . these are palestinian martyrs. these are two groups of people from different worlds. and the home secretary is right to be concerned about that. and she's also right, i think, to suggest the police completely on the police are not completely on top it. top of it. >> one very question for >> one very final question for both will suella be home both of you. will suella be home secretary a week's time? no, secretary in a week's time? no, paul secretary in a week's time? no, palshe still be if there's >> she might still be if there's not on monday. not a reshuffle on monday. >> paul sitting the >> okay. paul sitting on the fence , but he'll his fence, but he'll tell his conservative home readers first, fence, but he'll tell his conseryou1e home readers first, fence, but he'll tell his conseryou to home readers first, fence, but he'll tell his conseryou to my e readers first, fence, but he'll tell his conseryou to my brilliant; first, fence, but he'll tell his conseryou to my brilliant panel. thank you to my brilliant panel. coming up, tory hating bbc coming up, the tory hating bbc presenter left the presenter has left the broadcaster owing to a new social media rules. and it isn't gareth linklater . plus will be gareth linklater. plus will be analysing cause behind why analysing the cause behind why britain's are the biggest britain's women are the biggest binge drinkers globally . we .

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news radio. welcome back. >> i'm jacob rees—mogg and this is state of the nation. we've been discussing the failures of multiculture, more multiculture, oralism and more about and sent about suella and you've sent in some thoughts, tannis some of your thoughts, tannis says the protest for palestine has proved it's not a peaceful one and should be banned. are war heroes deserve respect? this is . is weekend is england. this is our weekend to our heroes . and lisa to honour our heroes. and lisa says, i'm astonished that jrm and nigel nelson don't understand the term multiculturalism. look it up. multiculturalism is the opposite of integration . and graham of integration. and graham nigel, please. as if suella or anyone else could damage multiculturalism . multiculturalism. multiculturalism is an entity in itself that has damaged itself because there's plenty of multiculturalism that doesn't work, even if there is some small part that does well. nigel, please. is still with us. but earlier this year, the bbc's match of the day host gareth linklater, bizarre linklater, took the bizarre decision to compare the home secretary the nazis . or, to secretary to the nazis. or, to be as he not so subtly put be fair, as he not so subtly put it, to 1930, germany , the public it, to 1930, germany, the public service broadcaster, quickly

assessed its social media policy for presenters and concluded presenters could express political views but couldn't go as campaigning. political views but couldn't go as campaigning . well, as far as campaigning. well, these weren't these newfound freedoms weren't enough to convince mr linklater to condemn hamas, but so far he hasn't seemed to have breached the but another the new rules. but another presenter, one karl voldemort, the countdown hostess, the former countdown hostess, turned anti—tory activist and one time friend of david cameron, has announced she's parting ways with bbc wales. thatis parting ways with bbc wales. that is a loss, isn't it? because she isn't willing to, quote, lose her voice on social media? and fair enough, what would the world do without carol's voice on social media? still with me , it's my still with me, it's my intellectual panel. gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and the editor of conservativehome , paul goodman. conservativehome, paul goodman. paul conservativehome, paul goodman. paul, what will we do on social media without carol voldemort ? media without carol voldemort? >> i think the real question here is a question about the bbc and the future of the bbc. so rather than dwell on carol vorderman, who doesn't really

matter from this sort of big point of view, i think you've got a big question here about the future of the bbc because the future of the bbc because the bbc, to maintain its position and its sort of cross—party support has got to be seen to be an impartial social player. now gary lineker isn't employed by the bbc. therefore, i think it's not unreasonable in a sense that he can tweet more or less what he likes, but if he does, there is a consequence for the bbc, regardless of his formal position , which is that people position, which is that people begin to associate rate. the bbc and its very senior presenters with that particular form of politics and i think it's bad for the bbc in the longer term. and i'm someone who, for better or worse, has always been supporter supportive of the position of a national broadcaster. so i think never mind carol vorderman for a moment. i think what gary lineker did last year was that while he seemed to win, he was actually putting the ball in his

own net because in the long term he was weakening the position of the bbc, not strengthening it. >> and is a problem, isn't >> and that is a problem, isn't it, the very senior well it, that the very senior well known presenters, even if they're technically freelances , they're technically freelances, do reflect on the bbc's reputation by what they tweet. and for better or worse, the bbc doesn't have to have any high profile freelances . those who profile freelances. those who tweet conservative things . tweet conservative things. >> well, i mean, i think that the point here really is and i like the football analogy, by the way , the point here is that the way, the point here is that the way, the point here is that the bbc seeks to be impartial. i think that the new code that they brought out for social media is about right, that if you get to a stage where your high profile presenter or anybody working in news and current affairs expresses opinions is outside that that reflects on onto the bbc, carol vorderman has a choice that if she wants to exercise her right to free speech on social media, do so if she wants to be a bbc

wales presenter to do so, she can't do both and probably working for bbc wales doesn't pay working for bbc wales doesn't pay the millions of pounds that presenting match of the day does, and therefore the cost prize is a less obvious one. >> principles are the same, but the principle is the same and is it a problem that the bbc doesn't seem to have any high profile figures who actually tweet in a wing direction? tweet in a right wing direction? does tell us something does this tell us something about the bbc? >> may tell us >> well, actually may tell us something social something more about social media, from a right media, which is from a right wing perspective , you would feel wing perspective, you would feel if you were a sort of mainstream centre right person, rather than, say , i don't know, sort of than, say, i don't know, sort of laurence fox, who could use twitter to get hits, it's not a tremendously congenial place to be and you don't want to be sort of hounded and harassed by other people on on twitter. i think it is an interesting feature of our times that so many senior footballers in a game that is ruthlessly competitive of and

you might think was all about winners, arguably a kind of right wing form of ethos. so many of the prominent ones are rather to the left and i think football's got itself in rather a tangle about some of these moral questions. a tangle about some of these moral questions . so, a tangle about some of these moral questions. so, you a tangle about some of these moral questions . so, you know, moral questions. so, you know, standing up, for example , for standing up, for example, for lgbt and then some of these guys are off to come out and make lots of money in qatar . lots of money in qatar. >> was certainly >> that was certainly interesting. then taking the interesting. and then taking the knee, going back to we were knee, going back to what we were talking but talking about a moment ago. but let's move on, because in other news, the controversial online safety has become an act safety bill has become an act and effect the broadcast and takes effect the broadcast regulators has regulators jurisdiction has expanded social media. ofcom has revealed a new code designed to ensure online child safety , ensure online child safety, along with protections against terrorism , child abuse, terrorism, child abuse, grooming, suicide and grooming, assisting suicide and fraud. announcing the fraud. when announcing the measures, melanie dawes, chief executive of ofcom, warned social media companies that don't comply could face fines and even criminal prosecution . and even criminal prosecution. ian nigel, how do you get the balance right between freedom of

speech and safeguarding children? how do you do it so that you don't find that social media companies either leave the uk or or put in such high levels of protection that adults find that they can't post things on social media? >> well, in a sense it's been the problems ever since the world wide web was invented in 1989. we've never had we have not so far had a way of controlling it, though we've been wrestling with the problem . been wrestling with the problem. this seems to be, to me, to me to be the right way forward , to be the right way forward, that if ofcom can regulate broadcasters in this country, they should have a similar regulation regulations on social media. and so if you're closing down suicide websites, for instance , promotion of instance, promotion of terrorism, these are all areas that ofcom can now step in on. and when it comes to the fact that we've got that these places are are coming in from abroad , are are coming in from abroad, we can block them. but it seems to me that if they then breach ofcom rules and we do block them

, i don't see that as a threat to free speech because i don't think child abuse , for instance, think child abuse, for instance, comes in under the free speech umbrella. no, indeed . umbrella. no, indeed. >> you certainly want to stop things that kind. paul, things of that kind. but paul, donald trump got taken off twitter . and isn't that the twitter. and isn't that the problem once you start saying to the internet companies that they have to police themselves and get rid of things that you think you don't like, you suddenly find that freedom of speech is under attack. >> well, i've never understood why . there must be some good why. there must be some good reason i'm not aware of. we don't treat some of the social media platforms in the way we treat newspapers , make them treat newspapers, make them responsible for what they pubush responsible for what they publish and liable in law. and that would seem to me to solve a certain set of the problems. it wouldn't deal with all the issues raised. mean, wouldn't deal with all the issuwere raised. mean, wouldn't deal with all the issu were just raised. mean, wouldn't deal with all the issuwere just raising mean, wouldn't deal with all the issu were just raising theean, wouldn't deal with all the issuwere just raising the role you were just raising the role of think the central of ofcom. i think the central issue here, it's not exactly about free speech versus security because no one wants people propagating terrorism. no one wants people propagating

child abuse. but you've got to have a lot of confidence in the ability of your regulator and that sort of question here about ofcom . so if i could just use ofcom. so if i could just use a parallel . going back to the parallel. going back to the issue we were discussing earlier, if you give powers to the police, you want to feel the police are acting properly and chasing burglars and catching criminals and doing all the other stuff. gb news viewers expect them to do and not spending a lot of time correcting what people say on social media. so you have to have confidence the authorities will get it right. >> and that's important . and i >> and that's important. and i think paul's point is fundamental that wouldn't it be better to allow the normal law to because it's illegal to operate because it's illegal to operate because it's illegal to propagate child abuse anyway? there are strong laws against terrorism . and if you just said terrorism. and if you just said to the social media companies that you are like newspapers and we've got this ridiculous thing, if you post an online comment on a newspaper website , the a newspaper website, the newspaper is liable for it. i

don't know if you are on conservative home, if you post on twitter, you're not liable for it. and yet twitter has much more sophisticated algorithm arms than a newspaper. >> and that's exactly why that newspaper's actually closed down comments . indeed, controversial comments. indeed, controversial issues . the trouble with the issues. the trouble with the with the social media companies is that they know that if they go looking for stuff , they go looking for stuff, they become liable. there argument is they're not a publisher. they're a platform . and if they don't a platform. and if they don't look for it and don't know it exists, that's how they get away with now, you've got with it. now, if you've got ofcom policing it and saying, well, we'll be looking at it, we don't trust the companies do it themselves, we'll be looking at it. then close down any that it. and then close down any that breach it. >> well, thank you. i told you my panel was supremely intellectual proved intellectual and they've proved the point. coming the great the point. coming up, the great women united kingdom have women of the united kingdom have been named the biggest been named the world's biggest binge drinkers. and one of my fellow news presenters has an fellow gb news presenters has an idea another idea as why. plus another denouement involving the french

and cricket . thank you .

welcome back. i continue to identify as jacob rees—mogg , and identify as jacob rees—mogg, and this is state of the nation. we've been discussing the bbc presenters and their left wing biases and been emailing biases and you've been emailing me male mogg tony says jacob lineker should be sacked from the bbc. elizabeth says, i don't care what lineker and mrs. vorderman say, as in my book, they're pretty small beer and we're talking about alcohol in a moment. mind about the bbc moment. i do mind about the bbc programmes. everything news programmes. everything from news programmes to children's programmes to children's programmes being infected with left bias. and jeff, the left wing bias. and jeff, the online safety bill should never have passed. it's disgrace the have passed. it's a disgrace the tory so. tory government did so. a complete threat to free speech. the oecd , the organisation for the oecd, the organisation for economic cooperation and development, is not an organisation you would typically associate with a question of binge drinking, but yesterday

the organisation shocked the nafion the organisation shocked the nation by revealing that the great women , the ladies of the great women, the ladies of the united kingdom, are the biggest binge in the world. in binge drinkers in the world. in this instance, binge drinking has defined having at has been defined as having at least drinks per session and least six drinks per session and 26% of british women reportedly do this at least once a month. but apparently british men do it even more now , obviously, here even more now, obviously, here on z nation, where a sensible broadcaster and we advocate for drinking responsibly. so the question is, what is the cause of this? well, my next guest and fellow gb news presenter nana akua suggested today's akua has suggested in today's daily mail it might have something do with ladette something to do with ladette culture. brunches, culture. bottomless brunches, which i need to have explained to me. ballooning glasses to me. ballooning wine glasses and tv heroines glugging the shiraz by the gallon. i'm joined now by gb news very own nana akua nana. thank you so much for coming in, working late, doing overtime . you wrote about your overtime. you wrote about your own experience of binge drinking in the daily mail and you once woke up with a rodent in your hair. can you? >> that was that was i was >> well, that was that was i was actually at my friend's house

and to drink literally and we used to drink literally every weekend. it was like, you know, saturday know, it was a ritual. saturday she come to my house, we'd know, it was a ritual. saturday she ready, come to my house, we'd know, it was a ritual. saturday she ready, thena to my house, we'd know, it was a ritual. saturday she ready, then we my house, we'd know, it was a ritual. saturday she ready, then we gol house, we'd know, it was a ritual. saturday she ready, then we go off»use, we'd know, it was a ritual. saturday she ready, then we go off to e, we'd know, it was a ritual. saturday she ready, then we go off to the e'd get ready, then we go off to the pub everything else like pub and everything else like that. i was that. this one time i was actually staying with her and i woke up with this thing in my hair and the thing is this. this chinchilla, which is what it was, it had been missing for days. it was she was oh days. so it was she was like, oh my is. but it was my god, there it is. but it was literally then it went and literally a and then it went and then it ran off and i fell asleep again and it came back. >> clearly it found a >> but so clearly it found a comfortable . but you were comfortable nest. but you were saying today that there are a number of things that have caused so glass caused this problem. so glass sizes gone from whatever it sizes have gone from whatever it is, fluid ounces nearly is, eight fluid ounces to nearly 16fl oz. they've doubled. and 16fl oz. so they've doubled. and therefore, are drinking therefore, people are drinking more in one go and very importantly, that liver disease amongst women is a greater risk than men. so it is a particular problem for women if they binge drink. >> well, that's right. i mean, hepatitis, cirrhosis, liver conditions , women are more conditions, women are more susceptible if they drink alcohol more so than men,

they'll be affected by it. much faster. also our body fat is higher than our body water, which basically means that we take on the alcohol much faster. and also our our muscle mass is less than men . so therefore, we less than men. so therefore, we the alcohol affects us more severely . so it really toxified severely. so it really toxified our system much quicker and it's quite important. and the reason why this is so important is because actually when in terms of things like rape , over 60% of of things like rape, over 60% of those who who had been raped or, you know, went to the police , you know, went to the police, they checked their their blood alcohol and found that in over 60% of those cases , those women 60% of those cases, those women were so drunk that they really would not have been able to consent sex all. it consent to sex at all. so it quite it is a problem. >> but you're not being too po faced about it, are you? you're not saying women shouldn't drink at all, but you're saying that from experience and from your own experience and what about drinking, what you know about drinking, that should just be that people should just be a little bit more sensible? >> think should. >> i think i think they should. and actually think the and i actually think the

generation coming up now so the youngsters drink youngsters now, they don't drink the we drank, but i think the way we drank, but i think that's because saw the that's because they saw the footage their mums, you know, footage of their mums, you know, spewing the streets and stuff spewing in the streets and stuff like that thought perhaps, like that and thought perhaps, perhaps this isn't a great look, but , but, you know, we still but, but, you know, we still have to be mindful that young people are aware of the dangers of alcohol . and in my of too much alcohol. and in my own experience, spent own experience, having spent time someone drank time with someone who drank a lot that completely put me off drinking completely. >> so and that's why i'm drinking a lot. wasn't you? because, you know, that was that wasn't quite a yourself. wasn't quite a bit yourself. >> but were drinking >> i was. but they were drinking more right. more than me, right? right. >> shocking. >> they were shocking. >> they were shocking. >> that was >> but that's that. that was very off putting. >> what our >> so tell me what our bottomless brunches, which i've never bottomless brunches, which i've nev basically, for lunch, >> basically, you go for lunch, you just keep drinking. >> oh, it's essentially >> oh, okay. so it's essentially lunch, go on and on. >> you just go on. on. >> you just keep]. on. >> you just keep drinking. there's you and there's no limit. you start and you just doesn't end. you just. it just doesn't end. it to okay. it goes through to okay. >> dinner, you you it goes through to okay. >> dinner dinner, you you it goes through to okay. >> dinner and dinner, you you it goes through to okay. >> dinner and you're you you it goes through to okay. >> dinner and you're still you drinking. >> yeah. and sometimes and actually also, a actually what it is also, is a lot go out drinking lot of women go out drinking without eating. so you're drinking also without eating. so you're drinkquite also without eating. so you're drinkquite serious also without eating. so you're drinkquite serious thingso without eating. so you're drinkquite serious thing is it

with quite a serious thing is it mistake and is it partly i mean another thing you mentioned in your type of your article was the type of dnnks your article was the type of drinks that are aimed at women . drinks that are aimed at women. >> there's marketing drive >> so there's a marketing drive that women aren't going out to dnnk that women aren't going out to drink like real ale, are they? >> large , no. >> by and large, no. >> by and large, no. >> the sort of drinks >> i mean the sort of drinks that are aimed at women. obviously the and tonics obviously the gin and tonics and, you know, and the glasses are, you know , the big kind of are, you know, the big kind of goblet style glasses . i mean, goblet style glasses. i mean, when i was younger, it was babycham and sounded very babycham and it all sounded very you are not old enough to babycham somerset drink, you know from shepton mallet . know from shepton mallet. >> yes. it was the showering family developed an family who developed it. an amazing success with the little with the little bambi. but baby shower was in tiny little bottles . bottles. >> no, it was. >> no, it was. >> and i think it would have been quite hard to get drunk on baby shower. been quite hard to get drunk on batlt shower. been quite hard to get drunk on batlt showerhave been been quite hard to get drunk on batlt shower have been very >> it would have been very difficult expensive. difficult and quite expensive. but obviously the but nowadays, obviously the supermarkets offer a plethora of different drinks. different options and drinks. they're as they're a lot cheaper. and as you the is you said earlier, the glass is the size in particular. the glass size in particular. they started off at about 230 mils in the 90s. ten years later, they're about 300 mils and now they're about four,

four, nine mils, which is almost double what they were over a very short of and very short period of time. and if a lot of those tv if you see a lot of those tv shows where women get all stressed and then they open stressed out and then they open the and themselves the fridge and pull themselves a dnnk the fridge and pull themselves a drink get a nice glass drink or they get a nice glass of red and in a beautiful looking glass, and they looking glass, and then they just it's relieving just drink it and it's relieving the and there's the tension. and there's a moment it's been marketed to moment and it's been marketed to women as almost like a sassy, kind of a good thing to be doing i >> -- >> it's been marketed very successfully. and we had a comment on the male mugs about small beer, which probably what we to because we need to go back to because children small beer children were given small beer when the water wasn't safe to drink. and it had a very low alcohol content people would alcohol content so people would have drinking have the pleasure of drinking without the risk of getting drunk. and one of the things you also piece also said in your piece was actually drinking , actually when you were drinking, the wasn't enjoy the fine the aim wasn't to enjoy the fine and refined flavours . the and refined flavours. the bouquet of the glass of wine that you were having, but simply to drink as much as possible in the shortest possible time. >> oh yeah. and i prided myself

on drink man on being able to drink any man under this under the table. i thought this was really was good. i never really suffered from suffered that much from hangovers. was more hangovers. it was more oversleeping and just a oversleeping and just feeling a bit next but not bit foggy the next day, but not serious hangovers i could serious hangovers. so i could dnnk serious hangovers. so i could drink quite bit. well i'm drink quite a bit. well i'm definitely to take definitely not going to take you on, the time on, but i will the next time we're on together. on, but i will the next time we'bringing ether. of >> bringing in some of my homemade which is homemade cider, which i think is perfectly hard to drink homemade cider, which i think is pevastly hard to drink homemade cider, which i think is pevast quantities. hard to drink homemade cider, which i think is pevast quantities. thank) drink homemade cider, which i think is pevast quantities. thank you nk in vast quantities. thank you very much, nana. well as ever, for evening's denouement , for this evening's denouement, the the french. and the subject is the french. and once again, our former colony hasn't itself in glory. hasn't covered itself in glory. our the channel our friends across the channel have never been renowned for their abilities and their cricketing abilities and their cricketing abilities and the out of the the news coming out of the international council. international cricket council. the french is facing an the french cricket is facing an investigation after a sting operation allegedly revealed operation has allegedly revealed fake matches have been taking place to secure funding from the sports association. a former french cricket international visited grounds where matches were scheduled to take place only to find that no cricket was being played. we can only assume it because nobody wanted to it was because nobody wanted to attend, does remind me attend, but this does remind me of the 1900 summer olympics when the french faced the british in the french faced the british in the final . i couldn't make it.

the final. i couldn't make it. owing to family commitments . owing to family commitments. naturally, british naturally, the british represented the devon represented by the devon and somerset won the somerset wanderers, won the match, but british would match, but the british would have match either way have won the match either way because the french team was composed of composed almost entirely of british expatriates. i believe many from the british embassy anyway , thank you again to nana. anyway, thank you again to nana. that's all from me. up next is mark mark, what have you mark dolan. mark, what have you got the bill tonight? got on the bill of fare tonight? and a busy show. and jacob, what a busy show. >> like this sentence. >> you won't like this sentence. tories in crisis with the prime minister under pressure now to fire his home secretary suella braverman, after her comments about british policing in the times newspaper. so should she stay or should she go? does suella braverman simply speak for millions of ordinary people in this country ? braverman on in this country? braverman on trial ? plus, massive trial? plus, massive developments . the sun newspaper developments. the sun newspaper are suggest buying in an exclusive that our own nigel farage is going into the jungle. so if that's true , who will the so if that's true, who will the king of brexit become ? i'm the king of brexit become? i'm the king of brexit become? i'm the king of brexit become? i'm the king of the jungle. >> well, that's all going to be

very interesting. i think we should take a milan like approach to crises and look at the broader context of the world at large . not fast. too much at large. not fast. too much about occasional articles in newspapers. well, you're a very calm man. >> and by the way, if nigel does go into the jungle, will you go next year? >> not. >> oh, absolutely not. >> oh, absolutely not. >> can't think of anything >> no, i can't think of anything more ghastly. don't wish to more ghastly. i don't wish to eat slugs. i wish to stick to roast yorkshire roast beef and yorkshire pudding. coming up roast beef and yorkshire pudd the coming up roast beef and yorkshire pudd the weather coming up roast beef and yorkshire pudd the weather and ming up roast beef and yorkshire pudd the weather and we'llup roast beef and yorkshire pudd the weather and we'll be after the weather and we'll be extremely be back extremely exciting. i'll be back on monday 8:00. i'm jacob on monday at 8:00. i'm jacob rees—mogg this said rees—mogg. this has been said nation. going down to nation. i'm not going down to somerset i'm going somerset this evening. i'm going tomorrow i've somerset this evening. i'm going toma'row i've somerset this evening. i'm going toma speaking i've somerset this evening. i'm going toma speaking engagement 've somerset this evening. i'm going toma speaking engagement ine got a speaking engagement in epsom. speaking chris epsom. speaking for chris grayling at lunchtime tomorrow, which forward to. he which i'm looking forward to. he is a great but i'm sure the is a great man, but i'm sure the weather somerset be weather in somerset will be absolute the absolute splendid for the weekend when i get there . weekend when i get there. >> good evening. a bit of a chilly start tomorrow, but for most it will be a fine bright day with sunny spells, some heavy showers, particularly in the south. early on, we've still got pressure dominating the got low pressure dominating the scene. so is still spinning scene. so it is still spinning up of and up plenty of showers and

particularly tonight as the isobars squeeze together across south wales and south—west england. we're going get very england. we're going to get very windy . so further heavy showers windy. so further heavy showers to in here, the showers to come in here, the showers elsewhere tending ease off. elsewhere tending to ease off. some ones around right some lively ones around right now, but turning fairly dry through the night for much of the midlands eastern england, northern england, scotland and northern england, scotland and northern we've northern ireland where we've got the and winds, the clear skies and light winds, there across there will be a frost across parts scotland. further parts of scotland. further south, holding up at or south, mostly holding up at 5 or 6, but quite a wet start the 6, but quite a wet start to the morning for south wales and south—west . some heavy south—west england. some heavy showers through here. showers moving through here. they will move through and then get into the south—east for a time before tending to disappear, before lunchtime. showers day across showers through the day across northern scotland and some for northern ireland. and later on, we'll few developing we'll see a few developing over north—west north north—west england and north wales. but for a good chunk of the bright the country, it's dry and bright day of day tomorrow. good spells of sunshine cool side. sunshine on the cool side. temperatures mostly in single figures, maybe 11 or 12 in the south. certainly a cold start to the weekend, a more extensive frost northern britain frost across northern britain and patches as well. and a few fog patches as well. but once they've gone, most of

us a fine day on us having a fine day on saturday, still a few showers in northern with a bit of northern scotland with a bit of a breeze rain down to a breeze and some rain down to the south—west late on that will spread during sunday spread in during sunday and again sunday. some frost and again on sunday. some frost and fog early . on fog early. on >> who is it? we're here for the show . welcome to the dinosaur show. welcome to the dinosaur hour with me, john cleese . ha! hour with me, john cleese. ha! that was married to a therapist. >> and you survived. >> and you survived. >> i thought we were getting hugh laurie, second best. my bellissima. you interviewed saddam hussein. what's that like? i was terrified. i'm playing strip poker with these three. oh no, thank you. >> my cds need to be put in alphabetical order. >> oh, are you going to be problematic again? >> the dinosaur for our sundays at 9:00 on gb news as

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well. >> it's 9:00. i'm mark dolan and this is gb news tonight. braverman is on the brink. the straight talking home secretary has gone rogue, accusing the police of playing favourites with protests . but is she right with protests. but is she right with protests. but is she right with our country surrendering to a religious extremism, suella braverman gets my backing in the big opinion shortly , then my big opinion shortly, then my panel come to blows , riled and panel come to blows, riled and ready for a night of fierce debate . we have suzanne evans. debate. we have suzanne evans. john sergeant and amy nicole turner . plus, does rishi sunak turner. plus, does rishi sunak really need to sack his home secretary patrick o'flynn battles imran eaton in the clash . and should the police be doing more to protect poppy sellers and stand up for the british way of life ? former editor of the of life? former editor of the sun newspaper kelvin mackenzie is disgusted by the shocking treatment of our army veterans and he speaks out shortly . and he speaks out shortly. elsewhere with the country at breaking point is king charles right that we should be more

welcoming to refugees? i'll ask