>> good afternoon . it is 12 pm. >> good afternoon. it is 12 pm. and you're watching the live desk here on gb news with pip tomson and tom harwood. coming up this friday lunchtime , a up this friday lunchtime, a roaring success for gb news's don't kill cash campaign . don't kill cash campaign. >> the petition arrived in downing street yesterday with over 300,000 signatures. hours later , the treasury announced later, the treasury announced measures to protect cash. we'll have the very latest . what's have the very latest. what's happened to rishi sunak's pledge to stop the boats as latest figures reveal nearly 25,000 people have crossed the channel since he came to power last october . october. >> we're live outside number 10. >> we're live outside number 10. >> and brace yourselves for storm betty. more than half a month's rain could fall over the south of england today . heavy south of england today. heavy thundery downpours and strong winds where has the summer gone

i >> -- >> plus, will km >> plus, will you be able to toast england's women? good luck in the world cup at your local on sunday morning. probably not. but councils are being urged to get spirit and serve alcohol get in spirit and serve alcohol early. we'll be delving into all that, plus much more now , that, plus much more now, though, here's your headlines with . with jeff moody. >> good afternoon. it's 12:01. i'm jeff moody in the newsroom. police in northern ireland have arrested a man in connection with the psni data breach, a 50 year old man has been detained in county londonderry under the terrorism act and is being questioned . another man was questioned. another man was arrested yesterday on suspicion of collecting information likely to be useful to terrorists . last to be useful to terrorists. last week, the details of 10,000 police officers and staff were

published online by mistake, followed by a second breach relating to stolen documents and a laptop cache cache will remain accessible as part of a new plan set out by the treasury. it comes after the gb news don't kill cache petition which attracted nearly 300,000 signatures, was delivered to downing street yesterday. a new framework will ensure that the vast majority of people will be no further than three miles away from being able to withdraw cash. economic secretary to the treasury andrew griffith says it's good for vulnerable people i >> -- >> ash is important. it's here to stay for the long term. many people, the elderly, the vulnerable, particularly rural communities, do depend on that access to cash. and if we want our shops to continue to take cash over the counter, then of course those businesses have got to have somewhere to deposit it. so rules that we're so the rules that we're announcing also the announcing also cover the ability businesses to deposit ability of businesses to deposit cash in a location that's convenient to them . convenient to them. >> well, the shadow schools

minister, stephen morgan, says he welcomes the news. thank you for running the petition because i know it's the poorest in society that don't always get access to cash . access to cash. >> and certainly in portsmouth, where represent , that people where i represent, that people have struggled banks have really struggled with banks have really struggled with banks have and cash machines have closed and cash machines have closed and cash machines have think have charged people. so i think it's really important campaign it's a really important campaign and the and i'm really pleased the government listened. and i'm really pleased the govtrainent listened. and i'm really pleased the govtrain drivers listened. and i'm really pleased the govtrain drivers willtened. and i'm really pleased the govtrain drivers will strike on >> train drivers will strike on the 1st of september and overtime will be banned the day after in a long running dispute over pay. the strike will force train companies across england to cancel all services while a ban on overtime will seriously disrupt the network. it will be the 12th one day strike by aslef members since the dispute started over a year ago . gb news started over a year ago. gb news can reveal that almost 25,000 asylum seekers have crossed the engush asylum seekers have crossed the english channel since rishi sunak became prime minister. 24,971 migrants in small boats have made the crossing since october last year. that means 1

in 4 crossings since 2017 have happened whilst mr sunak has beenin happened whilst mr sunak has been in number ten. stopping the boats is one of the government's five priorities. sales in the retail sector fell faster than expected last month, according to the office for national statistics. retail sales fell by 1.2% in july. that's worse than the 0.5. that economists forecast. the decline was attributed to bad weather and shoppers moving to online retailers, which meant 27.4% of retailers, which meant 27.4% of retail sales took place online. that's the highest since february 22nd. police in the us state of georgia are investigating threats made against members of the jury who voted to charge donald trump with trying to overturn the 2020 presidential election result . presidential election result. the names and addresses of grand jury the names and addresses of grand jury members were posted online by mr trump's supporters. the former president was indicted former president was indicted

for a fourth time on monday for a suspected scheme to try to keep him in power. he denies any wrongdoing and remains the front runner to win the republican presidential nomination for 2024. cornwall council and devon and cornwall police will allow pubs and clubs across the country to open at 10 am. for the world cup final this sunday. the decision comes after michael gove wrote to councils across britain requesting earlier opening times for fans to watch the match. foreign secretary james cleverly and the culture, media and sport secretary lucy frazer will be representing the country at the match against spain . england forward alessia spain. england forward alessia russo says the team can't wait for the big day . for the big day. >> this is the biggest game, the one that you dream about, the one that you dream about, the one that you dream about, the one that means the most, but i feel like it will hit when we're in the tunnel and we're ready to walk out and yeah, i think it's an incredible occasion. it's been an unbelievable tournament

and this is it. this is this is exactly where we want to be. and we can't wait . we can't wait. >> none of us can wait. well, this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying, play gb news. now, though, it's back to tom and . pip >> jeff , thanks very much. gb >> jeff, thanks very much. gb news has helped save cash. yep the use of cash across the uk will stay protected as part of a new plan by the treasury . new plan by the treasury. >> it's after gb news hand delivered its don't kill cash petition to downing street yesterday when it had almost 300,000 signatures. although now it's got more than that under new laws to preserve paper money, banks will be fined unless cash is made available to customers within three miles of their homes and just one mile for those in towns and cities. >> we're joined by economics and

business editor liam halligan, who you could just see there in the pictures in downing street who can bring us the latest on the campaign and it is a massive victory this , isn't it, endorsed victory this, isn't it, endorsed by andrew griffith. >> it is particularly because regulatory eyebrows were cast in our direction when we launched this campaign. now we've got by far the most important department in whitehall headed by the second most important person , powerful person in the person, powerful person in the country. name checking us in the first sentence of their press release. it's a pretty important day. i haven't i can't remember . i've been in journalism 30 years. i can't remember the last time any broadcaster or newspaper had that kind of result . so, so quickly, let's result. so, so quickly, let's have a look at what the treasury actually said . literally within actually said. literally within minutes of us handing in our position petition , which, as tom position petition, which, as tom said, has now got 305,000 people. but we need more for reasons i'll explain . i hope reasons i'll explain. i hope we've got this graphic here. gb news has its spot on, said

andrew griffiths, who is , of andrew griffiths, who is, of course, economic to secretary the treasury. access to cash is incredibly important to many. it's a choice we're going to protect . people shouldn't have protect. people shouldn't have to trek for hours to withdraw a tenner, to put in someone's birthday card. nor should businesses have to travel large distances to deposit cash takings . amen to that. that's takings. amen to that. that's why we are acting now to protect access to cash, says the treasury in and laying out treasury in law. and laying out that means fee free that this means fee free withdrawals and the availability of cash facilities within a reasonable distance . now, that reasonable distance. now, that is, you know, if i'd written the press release myself , i'd is, you know, if i'd written the press release myself, i'd find it hard to improve on that . but it hard to improve on that. but it hard to improve on that. but it is just a press release and regulations and laws within financial services are quite often flouted. so it's very important that these new rules that the treasury is signalling here are enacted , even if it's here are enacted, even if it's secondary legislation or additions to existing regulations . above all, pip, regulations. above all, pip, they must be enforced because as

i said and i've said many times on this show , certain rules , on this show, certain rules, particularly when you get down into the nitty gritty of finance, are flouted until the regulators jump on the financial services industry and pull rank on them. and that often doesn't happen because civil servants, frankly, often don't have the bandwidth and the determination to challenge these huge vested interests . interests. >> and it's also very important that people keep using cash because if they don't, those distances at the moment, if cash use declines, could potentially be shortened . be shortened. >> i think people will use cash anyway because , you know, 10% of anyway because, you know, 10% of british households don't have regular access to the internet. there was a house of lords report on the digital divide just a few weeks ago that came out because getting on for 2 million households in the uk don't even have a bank account. so of course they haven't got a smart card. so if you're not on the internet regularly and you haven't got a smart card, how are you going to live? how are you going pay for anything?

you going to pay for anything? and really think, know, and i really think, you know, a lot the media has been really lot of the media has been really sniffy a bit this campaign sniffy a bit about this campaign because live in london because they live in london and in london. you know, there are lots trendy coffee bars or we lots of trendy coffee bars or we don't spend time handling cash because we want to make your coffee now just coffee lovely. now you just don't incur the costs of don't want to incur the costs of handung don't want to incur the costs of handling you're making handling cash and you're making life less convenient for life a lot less convenient for some your customers. you some of your customers. not, you know, not the well—heeled ones that use smartphones and smartwatches chips their smartwatches and chips in their arm whatever. talking arm or whatever. we're talking about who about ordinary londoners who deal with cash. so i do think the use of cash will continue, andifs the use of cash will continue, and it's important that it does continue because we have enormous vested interests who don't want it to continue . and don't want it to continue. and good journalism is about calling out those vested interests . and out those vested interests. and the vested interests include the banking sector. who doesn't want the hassle of cash? it includes big retailers who don't want the cash handling costs that the banks often impose on them. and it includes the tech giants who want to monitor everything that we spend online and want everything online so then they

can monitor it even more and flog that information to marketing companies. and it includes also the big pay card payment companies , because once payment companies, because once cash is gone, i mean, how much are they going to charge every small business owner, every taxi dnven small business owner, every taxi driver, stall driver, every market stall trader, every busker for every single transact . i know that single transact. i know that some of them are currently charging more than the regulations allow them to . the regulations allow them to. the regulations allow them to. the regulations mean they should only be charging between half and 1. many of them are charging 4 or 5% for the reasons i said earlier. so we need more signatures. we need to keep the pressure on. we need to take a moment here to recognise what this means for gb news. but we also need to keep on cracking on get this to half a million signatures, a million signatures and push it in the face of the vested interests who want our campaign to fail. no, it is remarkable. >> and was . i remarkable. >> and was. i did take a step >> and it was. i did take a step back i saw you five back when i saw you five marching down downing street yesterday. have yesterday. did you have reservoir hacks or hacks? >> did you have any inkling that

the treasury would respond? >> quite so quickly? they must have known . they must have have known. they must have sensed the people power behind this petition without lifting the lid on some of the mechanics of journalism . of journalism. >> tom yeah, i knew because i've beenin >> tom yeah, i knew because i've been in touch with a lot of the people who decide it's my job to talk to these people and to say on camera and on air what i can about those conversations. but you're a seasoned journalist. you're a seasoned journalist . you're a seasoned journalist. the way trade works and it is a trade is you can't always say everything you know. as soon as you know it because you're trying to use what you know to leave out more information. now, a of people who don't a lot of people who don't understand journalism will say that's what that's outrageous. this is what we serious journalists try we do. serious journalists try and information out of and get information out of powerful people and publicise it if they think that's in the pubuc if they think that's in the public interest, they try and hold vested interests hold powerful vested interests to account with ideas and guile and sort of a burning desire to try and make things fairer. here

at gb news, we know because we get so many emails, i get so many people on twitter, they need cash to survive small businesses need cash to survive . people want to use cash because they have worries about freedom and surveillance , freedom and surveillance, capitalism, cash is really, really important. in particular to vulnerable households, not least the elderly. for all these reasons, we've launched this campaign, we've had an early success here, albeit a fantastic success. i'm proud of all of us. i'm proud of geoff marsh, dan falvey , the digital team who falvey, the digital team who have really headlined on this. they weren't at downing street. it was us gobby people on the screen who were. but a lot of people behind the scenes at gb news has done a fabulous job here. we've got to build on this success and get more signatures, keep this in the public eye and close top the close to the top of the political agenda . political agenda. >> liam, thank you so much. and . no doubt we'll be speaking to you more about. this issue as

those signatures continue . to those signatures continue. to grow. the website is still . live grow. the website is still. live gb news .com/ cash. yeah. >> great work, liam. good . news >> great work, liam. good. news reporters. jack carson is in birmingham and will hollis. reporters. jack carson is in birmingham and will hollis . is birmingham and will hollis. is in nottingham and they've been . in nottingham and they've been. finding out how the campaign . in nottingham and they've been. finding out how the campaign. is affecting people around . the affecting people around. the country. so let's start . with

country. so let's start. with will hollis in nottingham. will what have people been telling you . you. >> well, right . where i'm >> well, right. where i'm standing there are . about three standing there are. about three banks. within maybe ten, 20m. of course, nottingham . is the course, nottingham. is the biggest city here in the east

midlands of . around . midlands of. around. 300,000 people living in the city centre and just around its periphery. but when we've been doing this . but when we've been doing this. story, we've often been going to places . that are off of the big places. that are off of the big routes where maybe there's a smaller population. in. one of the places that i went to while doing this story, it was a place called market deeping of only 7000 where they 7000 people where they don't have banks whatsoever. have any banks whatsoever. and it's across the it's the same story across the country slowly country where banks are slowly being when banks are being closed. and when banks are closed, course are closed, of course there are no cash that means cash machines. so that means particularly businesses particularly for businesses that run cash only, nowhere run cash only, there's nowhere for them deposit their cash. for them to deposit their cash. now, those businesses for them to deposit their cash. now,in those businesses for them to deposit their cash. now,in nottinghamyusinesses for them to deposit their cash. now,in nottingham thatasses run here in nottingham that does run cash high street cash only is the high street flower just behind

flower barrow. it's just behind me. see in me. you can see it in the background. run lady background. it's run by a lady called she run only called anat. she does run only cash. she that one the cash. she says that one of the ways does that ways that she does that, that one she does one of the reasons that she does that because it means that for is because it means that for is because it means that be competitive. and that she can be competitive. and she little bit she was telling me a little bit about this morning. about it earlier this morning. i think it's fantastic. >> it's brilliant >> and i think it's brilliant that people take on the government something government in something that they're passionate about. the older generation, they're not bought up with credit. they're bought up with cash only. they bought up with cash only. they bought up with cash only. they bought up to pay bills in bought up to pay their bills in cash. understand. cash. they don't understand. and all this online banking. so if we have a card controlled society, no banks, society, then we have no banks, we for banks. there society, then we have no banks, we where for banks. there society, then we have no banks, we where do for banks. there society, then we have no banks, we where do we for banks. there society, then we have no banks, we where do we go r banks. there society, then we have no banks, we where do we go r ban that? ere so where do we go from that? >> cash only >> well, in being a cash only business, means a net business, it means that a net and traders around and the other traders around where today and the other traders around whe be today and the other traders around whe be competitive today and the other traders around whe be competitive with today and the other traders around whe be competitive with theiay can be competitive with the supermarkets, can be competitive with the supewasrkets, me she can that was telling me that she can sell flowers for £5 sell a bunch of flowers for £5 maximum. £10 a maximum. they would be £10 in a local she can be local supermarket. so she can be competitive in ways competitive when in other ways supermarkets can be a lot more competitive than the average trader. businesses trader. so a lot of businesses here even here in nottingham, even in a place of place where there are a lot of places are places that are cod only now are trying keep part trying to keep cash as part of our the customers trying to keep cash as part of our come the customers trying to keep cash as part of our come to the customers trying to keep cash as part of our come to theirs customers that come to use their stalls rely they using rely on it and they love using it protections it because of the protections that gives the that it gives them and the freedom well freedom as well. well well, thank much bringing thank you very much for bringing us from slightly. us that from a slightly. >> least wet >> well, at least it's not wet in we're >> well, at least it's not wet in to we're >> well, at least it's not wet in to over we're >> well, at least it's not wet in to over to we're going to cross over to birmingham going to cross over to bi standing1 with

is standing with a with a frightfully prim and proper gb news umbrella for let's get the views more views of slightly more wet birmingham. been speaking views of slightly more wet birmi|people been speaking views of slightly more wet birmi|people today.1 speaking views of slightly more wet birmi|people today. birmingham views of slightly more wet bira i|people today. birmingham views of slightly more wet bira i|people to isy. birmingham views of slightly more wet bira i|people to is always ngham as a young city is always going to interesting one. when as a young city is always going to them esting one. when as a young city is always going to them about one. when as a young city is always going to them about one. because you ask them about cash because of people of course so many people here just or just double tap the screen or the their phones the side button on their phones and they've got their card up available to tap on a contactless. i've met numerous people contactless. i've met numerous peopli'll carry contactless. i've met numerous peopl i'll carry my well, i'll just carry my contactless card around. but of course, contactless card around. but of cou treasury to the the treasury to enable the financial conduct authority, the powers to find banks if they don't cash, don't allow that access to cash, of allow of course, if they don't allow those free transactions when it comes to cash is something that they with they do also still agree with in the uk from around the 50,000 cash machines around the uk, 78% of only do free of them are only do do free withdrawals. of them are only do do free withithere.s. have 22% there that you have to pay a withdrawal get cash. 22% there that you have to pay a with unitel get cash. 22% there that you have to pay a with unite union get cash. 22% there that you have to pay a withunite union gethat;h. the unite union reckon that since across the unite union reckon that sinccountry across the unite union reckon that sinccountry closed.across the unite union reckon that sinccountry closed.acrcthat the country have closed. so that was making that access to cash as some as well was saying in some of the the the more rural parts of the country, more of an issue. but on that idea of a possible cashless society in the future, i've the of i've asked people, the people of birmingham, think. birmingham, what they think. >> i it's good >> i think it's a good idea. i think there will always be a place for cash. i mean, for instance, people, place for cash. i mean, for instanc who people, place for cash. i mean, for instanc who really)ple, place for cash. i mean, for instanc who really have place for cash. i mean, for instanct01o really have place for cash. i mean, for instanct01o internet,/have place for cash. i mean, for instanct01o internet, don't�* access to the internet, don't really phones. >> t— t_i >> i only use contactless on my phone >> i only use contactless on my phonout all it's cash out at all because it's so much phone how. now. there's >> there's no card as hall. i don't even use cash. i haven't used cash for probably over six months and everything to actually just is just all pinged with my phone. it's totally convenient. with my phone. it's totally conv shop t. just with my phone. it's totally convshopt. just your with my phone. it's totally convsiout. just your with my phone. it's totally convsiout. jjust your with my phone. it's totally convsiout. jjust y

many, many times as to why pe> i pay for my passive. >> i pay for my passive. >> so, oh, well , i >> i pay for my passive. >> so, oh, well, i just apart from actually, no, i, i, i used cash yesterday . cash yesterday. >> you've got a modern top . >> you've got a modern top. >> you've got a modern top. >> so modern. >> so modern. >> yeah. i mean, there is something like slightly futuristic about since i got the watch just sort of just tapping it like that. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i do still feel that the >> i do still feel that love the feel notes . it's feel of just proper notes. it's notes in your pocket . well, stay notes in your pocket. well, stay with us here on gb news because we will be revealing how many people have crossed the channel

since rishi sunak became prime minister . is since rishi sunak became prime minister. is he failing in one of his key pledges ? we'll have of his key pledges? we'll have the latest from downing street . the latest from downing street. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast . low the gb news forecast. low pressure is arriving overnight . pressure is arriving overnight. increasingly strong winds ahead of heavy rain as well. and of it. heavy rain as well. and the risk of thunderstorms, especially for eastern parts of england during the early hours of saturday. here's the low that's approaching, developing quickly that's going to bring strengthening winds both ahead and during the period in which that low pressure crosses the uk . but before the low arrives , . but before the low arrives, actually showery rain pushes north, easing for a time . drier north, easing for a time. drier conditions for scotland, northeast england and southern parts for a time , some sunshine parts for a time, some sunshine coming through, but a lot of cloud and with the breeze as well. going to feel well. it's not going to feel particularly hot. 23, 24

celsius, with increased celsius, albeit with increased humidity. then the low pushes in, very strong winds developing across western parts, gales through irish sea coast in particular, and west wales, the southwest of england seeing the strongest winds during the evening, during the early hours. we're going to see thunderstorms develop across eastern parts of england. pushing into england. heavy rain pushing into scotland northern ireland, scotland and northern ireland, sweeping through elsewhere and a very warm night to come. 17,18 celsius. so a blustery starts to the weekend . the heavy and the weekend. the heavy and persistent rain pushes into scotland, northern ireland and northwest england. for the rest of england and wales, it's a mixture of sunny spells and showers. most of the showers will be across western england and , drier and brighter and wales, drier and brighter for england and still for south—east england and still warm, particularly where the sun is shining . is shining. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on .

online gb news. britain's news. channel >> hello, welcome back to the live desk on gb news. now to some breaking news because we can exclusively reveal the number of migrants who've crossed the channel since rishi sunak became prime minister. remember, this prime minister has pledged to stop the boats that number has now passed 25,000. yes, indeed . 25,000. yes, indeed. >> and it's 25,000 since the prime minister became prime minister . just nine months ago.

minister. just nine months ago. so let's cross to our political ednon so let's cross to our political editor, chris hope, who's live in downing street . chris, what in downing street. chris, what does this number mean ? does this number mean? >> it's a big number. tom, you remember last week we had 100,000 people have come across the channel over the past five years. well, now today's figure is interesting. it's on rishi sunak's watch. so since he became prime minister at the end of october last year , we can of october last year, we can reveal that more than . 25,000 reveal that more than. 25,000 people have crossed the channel and coming to this country. and thatis and coming to this country. and that is an indication of the scale of the problem facing the prime minister. you'll remember back in january, course, how prime minister. you'll remember bac pm january, course, how prime minister. you'll remember bac pm setuary, course, how prime minister. you'll remember bac pm set out, course, how prime minister. you'll remember bac pm set out five :ourse, how prime minister. you'll remember bac pm set out five targetshow prime minister. you'll remember bac pm set out five targets for' the pm set out five targets for the pm set out five targets for the year. one of them was stopping the boats. of course, that wasn't a time limited idea. it what you focus on. this it was what you focus on. this is 12 month period. it shows how hard has been for him to hard it has been for him to get to problem , not to grips with the problem, not least judges offer least because judges offer straightening the rwanda angle, taking who arrive here taking people who arrive here illegally to rwanda for processing that's in the hands illegally to rwanda for pr

pr> christopher , does. the former >> christopher, does. the former french ambassador sum this up? sylvia berman, she's been speaking today and she said that the prime minister's pledge is to utterly delusional. she . to utterly delusional. she. well, there's a problem . well, there's a problem. >> of course, we know the geography of the south coast of england. it's long. there's lots of ways across there before the covid pandemic, more people tried to get across the to the uk on the on the channel, the channel tunnel route that was cut off. it's much harder to secure a secure long border. we're trying to work with the french as a as a country. the government has spent hundreds of millions of pounds giving it to the and and the french to try and try and pick people the pick up more people on the beaches. but the figures out today in newspapers showing beaches. but the figures out toda actually newspapers showing beaches. but the figures out toda actually it wspapers showing beaches. but the figures out toda actually it seemsers showing beaches. but the figures out toda actually it seems that|owing that actually it seems that fewer migrants are being collected from the beaches despite attempt . a more despite this attempt. a more cross—party working ,

despite this attempt. a more cross—party working, i despite this attempt. a more cross—party working , i should cross—party working, i should say, the official figures released just this morning were 24,972, up 112 overnight. but the figure we're revealing right now is a new boat docking in dover port this lunchtime from our producer down in dover. the border force ranger is docking right now with with with we're expected to be more than 28 migrants on board. and that's why this figure, a figure which will not be celebrated in any sense in the building behind me of a 25,000 migrants coming across the channel into the uk while rishi sunak was prime minister . minister. >> pretty extraordinary that that's another boat today, even despite not particularly clear conditions in the channel today , it does seem that this is getting worse and worse. but but to zero in on what is going on on the french side of the channel after £480 million has been spent of british taxpayer money trying to get those french patrols more frequent , more

patrols more frequent, more regular, more successful , it regular, more successful, it doesn't appear to be working . doesn't appear to be working. >> yeah, the government wants it to work. i'm sure the french wanted to work. it's a long border . it's difficult. wanted to work. it's a long border. it's difficult. there's obviously there's international waters. when the boats go across, what you you across, what do you do? do you repack them with left the european .we're trying to european union. we're trying to find ways to try and to find new ways to try and to ensure stay where ensure that people stay where they where they when first they where they when they first arrive. asylum is arrive. and claim asylum is challenging. there's no question. but it's something which the pm has said he will sort out. he will boats sort out. he will stop the boats again. tom, as you know, they didn't didn't say when that didn't he didn't say when that would , merely he would would happen, merely he would stop boat. we're waiting stop the boat. so we're waiting to means. mean, to see what that means. i mean, there could be an election this time want time next year. what i want though, that number to start though, is that number to start coming has been coming coming down. it has been coming down. government coming down. it has been coming down. say government coming down. it has been coming down. say if government coming down. it has been coming down. say if they government coming down. it has been coming down. say if they were )vernment coming down. it has been coming down. say if they were )vern now: would say if they were here now with they've dealt with the albanian route, that was a problem . it is coming but problem. it is coming down. but still 25,000 here in the i think it's the ten short months, is it ten, eight months that the pm has been in charge? is a lot of

people 1 in 4 new arrivals in the past five years while mr sunak has been in number 10 downing street. it's his problem, but it's his priority . problem, but it's his priority. we're right to challenge him. he made priority back made it his priority back in january. does labour have a january. does does labour have a point when they say that, you know, the government or rishi sunak just chasing sunak has just been chasing headunes sunak has just been chasing headlines about this and coming up with the stop the boats pledge? >> really, should it not have been about clearing the backlog i >> -- >> yes. i mean the fact that boats are coming here is a symptom of a wider problem and labour would would definitely say they into say they when they get into power, if they get power power, if they get into power next would look to next year, they would look to clear that backlog, put more resources to the home office, work with with law work more closely with with law enforcement agencies on the continent, which the government will say all of which it's trying . the difference is trying to do. the difference is this still stuck in this rwanda plan still stuck in the it is . and the courts. i mean, it is. and don't forget, net don't forget, of course, net migration is much bigger. and that's people who arrive here legally. hundreds of legally. that's hundreds of millions, legally. that's hundreds of myearis, legally. that's hundreds of myear , i should say. and it's

a year, i should say. and it's almost issue on the south almost this issue on the south coast a symptom of a wider coast is a symptom of a wider problem. think problem. but labour think they've got a problem, an answer to this problem will we'll to this problem will know. we'll know if they win know soon enough if they win power year . power next year. >> okay. political editor christopher hope, thanks very much good to see all much for that. good to see all the for england's women the support for england's women outside number 10. they're bunting went up yesterday. yeah we'll be talking about all that shortly . but we'll be talking about all that shortly. but coming up. yes >> could the dreaded 8 am. scramble for a gp appointed soon be a thing of the past before that, jeff moody is here with the headlines . for it's 1231. the headlines. for it's 1231. >> i'm jeff moody in the newsroom . gb news can reveal newsroom. gb news can reveal that more than 25,000 asylum seekers have now crossed the engush seekers have now crossed the english channel since rishi sunak became prime minister it comes as the border force vessel ranger has picked up dozens of people from a small boat in the

channel this lunchtime. 1 in 4 crossings since 2017 have taken place, whilst mr sunak has been in number ten, stopping the boats is one of the government's five priorities. train drivers will strike on the 1st of september and overtime will be banned the day after. in a long running dispute over pay , the running dispute over pay, the industrial action will force train companies across england to cancel all services. while the ban on overtime will seriously disrupt the network. it will be the 12th one day strike by aslef members . since strike by aslef members. since the dispute started over a year ago . police in northern ireland ago. police in northern ireland have arrested a man in connection to the psni data breach . a 50 year old man has breach. a 50 year old man has been detained in county londonderry under the terrorism act and is being questioned. another man was arrested yesterday on suspicion of collecting information likely to be useful to terrorists . last be useful to terrorists. last week, the details of 10,000 police officers and staff were published online by mistake ,

published online by mistake, followed by a second breach relating to stolen documents and a laptop . devon and cornwall a laptop. devon and cornwall police have said they will turn a blind eye to pubs and clubs who open earlier for the world cup final. this sunday. the decision comes after michael gove wrote to councils across britain requesting earlier opening times to watch the match while foreign secretary james cleverly and the culture minister , culture, media and minister, culture, media and sport secretary lucy frazer will be representing the country at the match against spain on sunday. now you can get more of all of those stories by visiting our website,

people's channel. britain's watching . watching. >> welcome back to the live desk on gb news. if you have ever queued on your phone, which i bet you have to your gp at 11:00, 11:00, 8:00, it could have been 11:00 reasonable. >> 11:00 longer way to at 8:00 in the morning. >> then this could be music to your ears. yes >> gp surgeries in england will bnngin >> gp surgeries in england will bring in digital phone systems by the spring in a bid to earn end that early morning scramble to get an appointment backed by £240 million from the government. >> more than 1000 practises have

signed up for the upgrade, which will come into force in march. >> well, let's get more on this and exactly how it might work. let's get the details from our political correspondent, olivia utley , who is in westminster. utley, who is in westminster. and olivia. am i having a bit of amnesia here or have i heard this announcement from the government before . for we have government before. for we have heard of very similar announcement from the government before this would be a pretty politically savvy move, which is why the government is so keen on trying to make it work. >> it costs £240 million, which in the grand scheme of things is a drop in the ocean . and we know a drop in the ocean. and we know that public really , really that the public really, really hate that. rush to get an appointment with their gp. what happens is i'm sure most of our viewers are well acquainted with this process, but you call the gp, you get a very, very long engaged tone. and then finally you might get through to a receptionist who will probably say, sorry, we've got no appointments, call back another day . how plan work appointments, call back another day. how plan work is day. how this plan will work is the government is moving all gps

onto a digital system. so instead of getting that engaged tone, customer will be told that how long they have to wait, it'll be more like calling a private company and it'll say, you you're 13th in the you know, you're 13th in the queue and you've got a 25 minutes to wait. another part of the plan, which is really important, is that once the patient gets through to their gp surgery after they've had that wait and been told how long that wait and been told how long that wait is going to be, then receptionists will be urged either to give them appointment that day if their concern is urgent or to give them an appointment in two weeks. and part of this £240 million budget will go on training receptionists to be care navigators . now again, that's a navigators. now again, that's a plan that we've heard before and never quite come to fruition. but the idea behind it is that receptionists, instead of just being there to sort of field your onto a doctor, will be your call onto a doctor, will be able you whether the able to tell you whether the doctor is person you doctor is the person you you need to see whether could need to see or whether you could dial 1—1 one, for example, or see a pharmacist instead . so

see a pharmacist instead. so it's a pretty big shake up of the gps system. and as you said in your introduction, there will be music to the ears of people who , really sick of who are really, really sick of that. am. scramble for what that. 8 am. scramble for what the prime minister is probably hoping is that it's a pretty easy electoral win for him for not much money. not very much money. >> one the concerns >> one of the concerns about this , olivia, does to this, olivia, does seem to be that people might be able that okay, people might be able to on the phone quicker, but to get on the phone quicker, but there's still not enough gps to actually give them that appointment. so it's a bit of a bottleneck effect if you like . bottleneck effect if you like. >> well, exactly what some doctors are saying is that the bottleneck will just be moved down the line. instead of down the line. so instead of having a bottleneck you having a bottleneck when you call the gp, you'll get through having a bottleneck when you call process you'll get through having a bottleneck when you call process quite get through having a bottleneck when you call process quite easily. rough having a bottleneck when you call process quite easily. buth that process quite easily. but then without more gps in the surgeries, then there will be a bottleneck when people are trying to get their appointments. issue is appointments. another issue is that the quality of these digital services might differ. so there are plenty of who so there are plenty of gps who are on a digital telephony service at the moment, but it isn't particularly effective or up to date. so it might not be

the sort of blanket solution that people are hoping for. it also for some of the surgeries that people are hoping for. it also f(areyme of the surgeries that people are hoping for. it also f(are one of the surgeries that people are hoping for. it also f(are on really, surgeries that people are hoping for. it also f(are on really, really ries that people are hoping for. it also f(are on really, really old which are on really, really old systems, upgrade of the systems, there's upgrade of the phone cost about phone system will cost about £60,000 per surgery. now that is quite a lot of money and people will expect it to make a pretty big difference . ultimately, the big difference. ultimately, the issue is without more gps, this can't really be a silver bullet. okay >> political correspondent olivia utley speaking to us from westminster. thank you . gosh westminster. thank you. gosh i don't think it's going to be all that big of an improvement if i'm just the number of times i found a private company and i'm told i'm number 27th in the queue, for hours. told i'm number 27th in the quei e, for hours. told i'm number 27th in the quei mean for hours. told i'm number 27th in the quei mean ,for hours. told i'm number 27th in the quei mean ,for igoodness. >> i mean, my goodness. yeah. >> i mean, my goodness. yeah. >> us, like me, >> and many of us, like me, don't any patience at all, don't have any patience at all, especially at 8 am. you know, you need to get get to work. >> you need to go places you can't be sitting waiting in a queue. can't be sitting waiting in a queue . anyway, productivity in queue. anyway, productivity in this . so let's let's this country. so let's let's move on now because gb news investigation has revealed that controversial claims and associate versions of a

reparations activist who has links to a parliamentary group and spoke at an event alongside and spoke at an event alongside a labour mp , charlie peters has a labour mp, charlie peters has this exclusive report. we have a right to be here. >> not because of pre british where before you we were here before that , but we have a right before that, but we have a right to be here because of everything that britain has stolen from us. yeah black britons need to claim land wherever they are. >> that's according to esther stanford, cos an activist who helped launch a parliamentary group on reparations for slavery and colonialism . so we have to and colonialism. so we have to claim land wherever we are. stanford. cos said black britons had special rights because of colonialism and that african heritage people were in britain first. the activist charged comments in this south london square were not a rare outburst . we've also seen her making .we've also seen her making charged claims in online talks .

charged claims in online talks. at a panel discussion, sheila hinted the corporate white stream media. >> these are not the ones that often get promoted and certainly not the ones that the corporate white stream media are amplifying. stanford has also claimed that parts of the black rights movement have links to the cia and british intelligence agencies. >> this is obviously a good thing, but if you don't realise that it's part of an agenda that involves cia and my five m16 and some of us know it very well. >> okay , that's all i can really >> okay, that's all i can really say on this platform . say on this platform. >> she also made air finger quotes while saying that jews were the most oppressed people on earth. other panellists at the event, broadcast earlier this year made extraordinary comments that stanford cox did not challenge . one speaker not challenge. one speaker quoted biblical scripture that said that jews belonged to the synagogue of satan. >> the scripture says. they say they are jews , but they are not they are jews, but they are not jews . and god says, i will make

jews. and god says, i will make them of the synagogue of satan. >> warren alexander, dean , who >> warren alexander, dean, who campaigns for a special currency for black businesses, made controversial remarks about gay men . men. >> this homosexuality thing is part of the black genocide agenda. >> labour mp bell ribeiro adi, who spoke alongside stanford ceos and brixton and who chairs the parliamentary group, asked the parliamentary group, asked the prime minister to pledge reparations earlier this year. he said no . alka segal cuthbert he said no. alka segal cuthbert from the campaign group don't divide us said this was the right move. >> the far more worrying problem is the political irresponsibility shown by appg . irresponsibility shown by appg. when they take these ideas seriously. >> because these are ideas that are frankly re—introduce racialized thinking into british society. it's establishing legitimacy for seeing everything through racial lens and

absolutely no good can come of this at all. >> it's extremely divisive . it >> it's extremely divisive. it sets up not only divisions between black and white citizens, but it also kind of inculcates a hierarchy of oppressions amongst ethnic minorities themselves . minorities themselves. >> stanford shows is no longer the public inquiry points for the public inquiry points for the appg , but bel ribeiro adi the appg, but bel ribeiro adi still spoke alongside her at the event earlier this month in brixton . many will today be brixton. many will today be asking why our mps associating with an activist who makes these claims and has these controversial associations. charlie peters gb news brix . and charlie peters gb news brix. and the reporter behind that extraordinary investigation joins us in the studio now. >> charlie peters. just listening to some of those quotes that that gay people are about black genocide and that jews are satanic, that there should be a separate currency for black people. how did how did these individuals become

associate with a parliamentary with an all party parliamentary group ? group? >> so that was taken from a talk given where the public inquiry points for this appg on african reparations , stanford was reparations, stanford was attending and was a speaker. she failed to challenge any of those remarks while she was live . in remarks while she was live. in fact, the host for that event said thank you, my brother. when mr warren davies said the black genocide agenda. so some of those remarks were actually welcomed by the people organising this talk. and i think the really concerning point we have here of course, is that people have links that these people have links into parliament now and you know, stanford cos she stood down as the public inquiry points at the beginning of the year year, least year of this year, at least january 2023 think. january 2023 we think. but in november 2021 she helped to launch this appg had a direct link into parliament through that work and as we saw was recently stood on a platform with bella—rae birch adi, the labour mp for stratham . so this labour mp for stratham. so this is a connection which ongoing i >> -- >> and have you had replies from

these individuals after your investigation ? investigation? >> well, we reached out to everyone involved, everyone on the appg and we didn't hear back from them. one person who we thought so thought might get back to us. so peter bottomley, he's the conservative on the appg. conservative mp on the appg. >> makes it an appg >> he's a makes it an appg without him there would be no appg he's the government sponsor i >> -- >> and i m >> and i think what's really interesting government interesting for the government as this as it as it carries out this supposed war on woke sunak supposed war on woke rishi sunak last year talking about how he wants woke nonsense wants to tackle woke nonsense here mps in his own party here he has mps in his own party supporting this appg on reparations , on dealing with the reparations, on dealing with the legacy of colonialism and slavery. very controversial topics which i think many tory mps don't believe should be at the forefront of their work. and also there are problems here for keir starmer, of course, because bella—rae birch and a few other labour mps on that appg being associated with these kind of speakers . mr starmer obviously speakers. mr starmer obviously has been on a sort of a clear up of the since took of the party since he took office. bill brady was the shadow for minister immigration very briefly when he started and

he removed her. but clearly there are still some concerns with some mps and their links to very controversial and sometimes often extremist speakers . often extremist speakers. >> now it's absolutely fascinating looking at these particular sentences that were uttered . is there any indication uttered. is there any indication that bella—rae birch is aware of the associations that she is with, that she knows that the people she associates with also associate with all of these unpalatable views? >> well, i brought to her office every single quotes listed, both in that news package, but also there were several others that we couldn't fit into. that short report there so report. there are so many disturbing so her disturbing things said. so her office must be of them. office must be aware of them. and to chase and i phoned up to chase and a staffer for the mp said that they had no information for me at this time. they had no information for me at tand ime. they had no information for me at tand when look at that >> and when we look at that footage, have footage, they do seem to have quite a number of supporters there . there. >> so i think the most worrying thing about this, not just the links parliament, also thing about this, not just the linksmanyparliament, also thing about this, not just the linksmany people ent, also thing about this, not just the linksmany people let also thing about this, not just the linksmany people let this also thing about this, not just the linksmany people let this stuff how many people let this stuff be consumed and accepted in wider society. i mean, that talk

that we heard earlier where african heritage people were said to be here first and they had special rights and they needed to claim land wherever they really extremist they are really extremist language. was delivered in language. it was delivered in the middle south in the middle of south london in windrush in brixton, and windrush square in brixton, and there booing . in fact, there was no booing. in fact, there was no booing. in fact, there was no booing. in fact, there was an enormous of there was an enormous amount of cheering quite cheering for really quite pugnacious language as pugnacious and sharp language as well . well. >> well, it was fascinating. absolutely fascinating. it might be something that you'll come back to with information back to us with more information on. i hope so. back to us with more information on. yeah.a so. certainly follow >> yeah. well, certainly follow that well. well, if >> yeah, well. well, if bella—rae birch addy, you're bella—rae birch addy, if you're watching , please do get in watching belle, please do get in touch. to from touch. we'd like to hear from you. sort you. we'd like to hear any sort of . but no doubt, of explanation. but no doubt, jolly if . if their office does jolly if. if their office does get in touch , be be right here get in touch, be be right here to absolutely. get in touch, be be right here to absolutely . thank you. >> absolutely. thank you. >> absolutely. thank you. >> charlie . >> thanks, charlie. >> thanks, charlie. >> now the weather. if you looked outside today, if you been outside today and we saw it with with jack in birmingham, standing there under a huge gb news , doesn't feel at news umbrella, doesn't feel at all like summer, it? all like summer, does it? although it is supposed although it is still supposed to be. is very wet in many parts although it is still supposed to be englandry wet in many parts although it is still supposed to be england , wet in many parts although it is still supposed to be england , seeing many parts although it is still supposed to be england , seeing a1any parts although it is still supposed to be england , seeing a month'ss of england, seeing a month's

worth of rain in some places within hours . within hours. >> yes, a yellow weather warning has already been issued for thunder storms in london and southern and eastern england and across the midlands to the met office is warning of travel disruptions , power cuts and disruptions, power cuts and flooding . it's as if we're in flooding. it's as if we're in the middle of winter, although perhaps some people in the north and particularly the northwest will thinking ha, about about will be thinking ha, about about time in the south got some time you in the south got some of too. we've been putting of this too. we've been putting up it. well, more up with it. well, let's get more on with the weather on this with the weather journalist nathan rao. hello. hello >> what is going on? how can the promise of a lovely weekend go so horribly wrong so quickly ? so horribly wrong so quickly? >> but it has. i mean , you know, >> but it has. i mean, you know, we were talking about getting the barbecues and suncream put put put them back away. yeah, we >> put them back away. yeah, we were talking about the weather warnings. we've replaced what warnings. so we've replaced what could a sunny could have been a nice sunny weekend a splattering of weekend with a splattering of weather from the met weather warnings from the met office the 24 hours. office for the next 24 hours. really >> and that is for rain in northern ireland until 6 am.

tomorrow and in northern britain until midday tomorrow. that's for rain, thunder storms across london can anglesey to brighton until that's an 8 pm. today, until 5 am. tomorrow. wind down the west coast until midday tomorrow with gusts of up to 70mph. there you go . 70mph. there you go. >> today, pictures until lively. >> today, pictures until lively. >> yeah, i mean , look at that. >> yeah, i mean, look at that. that's that's what we're going to get. that's what's replaced the sunshine . and this is to do the sunshine. and this is to do with two things. storm betty has been named by met eireann to come in overnight tonight. that is the second named storm of the season following storm anthony second in the same amount of weeks and we have a spanish plume now this was going this is what we were a spanish boom. this is a plume of warm air that we were hoping was going to bnng we were hoping was going to bring us lovely warm weather bring us the lovely warm weather this weekend high this weekend with the high pressure. what got pressure. but what we've got is low coming in more low pressure now coming in more strongly in form storm strongly in the form of storm betty from west, betty. from the west, low pressure will move under the warm air, lifting it up. this is the combination that causes a

spanish flu. and when you lift warm up, warm air you get warm up, warm air up, you get instability and rain and thunder and hail and wind and all the things that we're going to get this this is all this weekend. this is all betty's it's well, you betty's fault. it's well, you know, let's not blame betty entirely. i mean, betty has sort of rolled in bit earlier of rolled in a bit earlier than we'd still in we'd expect. we're still in summer. storm summer. and i think our storm season is cranked up bit season is cranked up a bit earlier would expect. earlier than we would expect. we're of atlantic we're getting a lot of atlantic activity now that we might we're getting a lot of atlantic activityto3w that we might we're getting a lot of atlantic activityto3w tiin: we might we're getting a lot of atlantic activityto3w tiin sort might we're getting a lot of atlantic activityto3w tiin sort of ght expect to see in sort of september and that thing i >> -- >> so on sunday morning, if people want to watch the football, in the pub football, you know, in the pub garden, garden , what garden, in their garden, what are the chances of that? >> know what that >> well, do you know what that is? and have is? two days away. and i have to say with horrible is? two days away. and i have to say record with horrible is? two days away. and i have to say record of with horrible is? two days away. and i have to say record of giving horrible is? two days away. and i have to say record of giving you.ible is? two days away. and i have to say record of giving you. so�* track record of giving you. so i don't say storm betty is going to move in tonight up through northern britain. and it should clear by the end of tomorrow, leaving a mixture of sunshine and showers. now, the of and showers. now, the north of the country is going to more the country is going to be more wet , more prolonged wet and windy, more prolonged through the weekend. and the south going the south is always going to get the warmer conditions the warmer conditions and the brighter as you brighter sunshine. but as you can turns so can see, it just turns so really, i should keep my mouth .

really, i should keep my mouth. >> so as soon as this storm goes . because you were saying last week about these sort of twinned cycles of pushing all of this warm air up. yeah are they will they still be there doing that once the storm has gone? >> well, this is pretty much what sort what happened. so we had a sort of going on with what happened. so we had a sort of pressure going on with what happened. so we had a sort of pressure the ing on with what happened. so we had a sort of pressure the east n with what happened. so we had a sort of pressure the east of with what happened. so we had a sort of pressure the east of the high pressure to the east of the uk. high always has. i uk. high pressure always has. i always good summer, always say good news in summer, clear , warm weather, clear skies, warm weather, low pressure, in from pressure, which rolls in from the atlantic, from west, and the atlantic, from the west, and it little bit the atlantic, from the west, and it a little bit the atlantic, from the west, and it a battle. little bit the atlantic, from the west, and it a battle. the tle bit the atlantic, from the west, and it a battle. the outcome of of a battle. now, the outcome of this could have been it this could have been that it would warm air would cause a funnel of warm air coming we coming up from the south. and we get pressure, course, some coming up from the south. and we get sunshine course, some coming up from the south. and we get sunshine cshowersyme nice sunshine and showers and sunshine what sunshine and blue skies. what does actually happened betty sunshine and blue skies. what dcnudgedilly happened betty sunshine and blue skies. what dcnudgedrightappened betty sunshine and blue skies. what dcnudged right in)ened betty sunshine and blue skies. what dcnudged right in andd betty sunshine and blue skies. what dcnudged right in and we'reatty is nudged right in and we're getting pressure getting a really low pressure dominated pattern really from now of some into now into the start of some into the start of the weekend. and that the and that is bringing the wet and windy it's not windy weather. so it's not changed. did changed. it's just i think i did actually mention own actually mention in my own mitigation , you know, when mitigation that, you know, when these it can be a these battles go on, it can be a very unpredictable picture. and even the met office saying even the met office was saying last there's last week, you know, there's some and some warm weather coming and there is some warm weather in terms of warm temperatures, humidity up, but the humidity coming up, but the lovely skies , sunshine, lovely blue skies, sunshine,

high pressure weather high pressure driven weather that we love for get it, people do need to watch how they go, though. >> don't they? if they're driving in a car, that's that's the surface water it can be dicey. and even if you're walking down, as has happened to me, if you're walking down the street, stick to the far side of the otherwise, you're the kerb. otherwise, you're likely to get changed. >> one of >> and this is actually one of the metaphors these >> and this is actually one of the metrwarnings these >> and this is actually one of the metrwarnings out. :hese warning warnings out. but disruption and heavy rain in a short as short period of time, nathan, as always, thank you so much for bringing us such wonderful, delightful , bringing us such wonderful, delightful, happy news about the british summer. >> that's it for the live >> that's it for now on the live desk. >> that's it for now on the live desk . but we >> that's it for now on the live desk. but we are back in a couple minutes time with much couple of minutes time with much more about . see more to talk to you about. see shortly the temperatures rising , boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. low pressure is arriving overnight. increasingly strong winds ahead of it. heavy rain as well . and of it. heavy rain as well. and the risk of thunderstorms, especially for eastern parts of

england during the early hours of saturday. here's the low that's approaching. develop tipping quickly. that's going to bnng tipping quickly. that's going to bring strengthen winds both ahead and during the period in which that low pressure crosses the uk . but before the low the uk. but before the low arrives, actually, shari rain pushes north—east for a time. dner pushes north—east for a time. drier conditions for scotland, northeast england and southern parts for a time, some sunshine coming through, but a lot of cloud and with the breeze as well. feel well. it's not going to feel particularly hot 23, 24 celsius, albeit with increased humidity. then the low pushes in, very strong winds developing across western parts, gales through irish sea coast in particular, and west wales, the southwest of england seeing the strongest winds during the evening, during the early hours . we're going to the early hours. we're going to see thunderstorms develop across eastern parts of heavy eastern parts of england. heavy rain scotland and rain pushing into scotland and northern ireland, sweeping through elsewhere. and a very warm night to come. 17,18 celsius. so a blustery starts to the weekend. the heavy and

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cup final. yeah we will be talking about that and so much more . that and so much more. >> but first of all, let's get all your headlines with jeff moody . moody. >> hello. it's a minute past one. i'm jeff moody in the newsroom . gb news can reveal newsroom. gb news can reveal that more than 25,000 migrants have crossed the english channel since rishi sunak became prime minister . since rishi sunak became prime minister. the figure was since rishi sunak became prime minister . the figure was reached minister. the figure was reached just just after midday today after the border force vessel ranger arrived at dover harbour with 57 people on board that means 1 in 4 crossings since 2018 have happened whilst mr sunak has been in number 10. while stopping the boats is one of the government's five priorities. police in northern ireland have arrested a man in

connection with the psni data breach. a 50 year old man has been detained in county londonderry under the terrorism act and is being questioned . act and is being questioned. another man was arrested yesterday on suspicion of collecting information likely to be useful to terrorists . last be useful to terrorists. last week, the details of 10,000 police officers and staff were published online by mistake , published online by mistake, followed by a second breach relating to stolen documents and a laptop . what it comes as a laptop. what it comes as a psni officer's laptop and notebook were lost from a moving vehicle . the service says the vehicle. the service says the laptop was deactivated and has been recovered , but sections of been recovered, but sections of the notebook remain missing. the contents of the book are, at this stage unclear for now. train drivers will strike on the 1st of september and overtime will be banned. the day after in a dispute over pay. a long running dispute over pay. the strike will force train companies across england to cancel all services while the ban on overtime will seriously disrupt the network. it will be

the 12th one day strike by aslef members since the dispute started over a year ago . started over a year ago. metropolitan police say nearly 300 crimes related to london's ultra low emission zone have been recorded. a group opposed to ulez expansion has been targeting the enforcement cameras, cutting wires or removing them completely . close removing them completely. close to 3000 cameras are being installed across the capital ahead of the scheme's rollout at the end of the month . now, cash the end of the month. now, cash will remain accessible as part of a new plan set out by the treasury. it comes after the gb news don't kill cash petition, which attracted nearly 300,000 signatures, was delivered to downing street yesterday. the new framework will ensure that the vast majority of people will be no further than three miles away from being able to withdraw cash. away from being able to withdraw cash . well, the economic cash. well, the economic secretary to the treasury, andrew griffith, says it's good for vulnerable people .

for vulnerable people. >> cash is important. it's to here stay for the long term . here stay for the long term. many people, the elderly, the vulnerable , particularly rural vulnerable, particularly rural communities, do depend on that access to cash. and if we want our shops to continue to take cash over the counter, then of course those businesses have got to to deposit it. to have somewhere to deposit it. so we're so the rules that we're announcing also cover the ability businesses to deposit ability of businesses to deposit cash in a location that's convenient to them. >> the bbc presenter stephen nolan has apologised after reports claimed he had shared a sexually explicit photograph with staff. it was said that mr nolan shared an image of stephen bear when he had wanted to book him as a guest on his tv show. addressing the allegations on his morning radio show on radio ulster on friday, nolan said i can say one thing and it is that i am sorry . cornwall council and i am sorry. cornwall council and devon and cornwall police will allow pubs and clubs across the county to open at 10 am. for the world cup final this sunday. the decision comes after michael

gove wrote to council across britain requesting earlier opening times for fans to watch the match. foreign secretary james cleverly and culture, media and sport secretary lucy frazer will be representing the country at the match against spain. england forward alessia russo says the team can't wait for the big day . for the big day. >> this is the biggest game , the >> this is the biggest game, the one that you dream about, the one that you dream about, the one that you dream about, the one that means the most but feel like it will hit. when we were in the tunnel and we're ready to walk out . and yeah, i think it's walk out. and yeah, i think it's an incredible occasion. it's been an unbelievable tournament . and this is it. this is this is exactly where we want to be and we can't wait. >> you're watching news across the uk on tv , in your car, on the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now , though, it's time to go now, though, it's time to go back to tom and . pip

back to tom and. pip >> welcome back to the live desk. just bring you a quick bit of breaking news. we're talking about final about the build up to the final of the women's world in of the women's world cup in sydney on sunday morning. just heanng sydney on sunday morning. just hearing that the foreign secretary, james cleverly, will attend the final in sydney. there's been a lot of talk about should rishi sunak go, should prince william go ? well, we prince william go? well, we understand they're not, but foreign secretary james cleverly says he will be there if he can get in some good diplomatic work at the same time. >> sure. up that aukus deal. meet antony albanese. perhaps, perhaps we'll be hearing about it if he does. >> tom no . >> tom no. >> tom no. >> well, moving on to our big story today, gb news has helped to save cash. yes the use of cash across the uk will stay protected as part of a new plan by the treasury. >> it comes after gb news hand delivered its don't kill cash petition to downing street with almost 300,000 signatures under new laws to preserve paper money, banks will be fined unless cash is made available to

customers within three miles of their homes and just one mile for those in towns and cities . for those in towns and cities. >> well, the economic to secretary the treasury, andrew griffith, said that gb news has its spot on. let's get the opinion of business and economics. broadcaster michael wilson. now, michael , do you wilson. now, michael, do you agree with the verdict of the government here? it was quite extraordinary to see them name check gb news in their press release . release. >> well, for your sake , for all >> well, for your sake, for all our sakes, i hope it's right. i don't see a great deal of this happening. i'll tell you why. because the banks themselves are involved in a number scheme and the numbers game involves the shareholders and shareholders want to see results from the sort of investment that they have in banks . sort of investment that they have in banks. i think sort of investment that they have in banks . i think over the have in banks. i think over the years that banks have forgotten what they ought to be. the big banks they ought to be the financial gp's of society. they're part of the warp and

weft of society and this is how they ought to be. this is what they ought to be. this is what they need to do. i don't see them doing that at all. what i see is they don't like cash, they don't like customers a great deal and they don't want to see. now listen. so supposing you've got some viewers and i'm sure you have who have their own businesses now . so here's a businesses now. so here's a little survey for you. oh, how far do they actually have to take that cash before the bank accepts it? and before pays it and before it pays it in to their daily account ? those are their daily account? those are their daily account? those are the kind of issues we're talking about. number ten is absolutely fine. politicians are absolutely fine. politicians are absolutely fine. but the reality is, what do the banks do for the general customer? my suggestion is they do more for the shareholder than the customer. him or herself . the customer. him or herself. >> and one of the concerns is about this announcement. michael that actually if the use of cash does decline, then actually the

distances that people will go will be able to go to get free cash will actually be shortened . well, that's not not good for people either, is it . people either, is it. >> so who says it's going to shorten if you have a bank account and you're not particularly . computer savvy and particularly. computer savvy and there are loads of people in this country who are not who are who have probably got quite big accounts with banks, they want to get their hands on the cash . to get their hands on the cash. what is the big problem with that ? i mean, what is the big problem with that? i mean, i find that that? i mean, i do find that quite extraordinary. and i've interviewed a number of bank chiefs about about this over the over the years . i know what over the years. i know what they're doing, what they want to do is they want to stop their heavy operations, which involve cash and taking it back to a central place and all the rest of it. but what they're doing is they're alienate a growing band of people who will be saying to

themselves, i want a bank. you know , what we used to do in the know, what we used to do in the in the old days was to talk about the bank manager being a financial gp. that no longer happens. you're talking to young people who are box tickers. that's no good. it's your money. you ought to have access to your cash and unfortunately, cash is not where banks want to be asked them about this. >> no, i think that's that's an astute observation . there's a astute observation. there's a reason why banks have been moving away from cash . they find moving away from cash. they find it much easier to deal with electronic transactions . but electronic transactions. but this announcement from the treasury now would mean that it's a legal obligation to have atms near where people live . so atms near where people live. so people can any time of day or night go to those atms, put in their credit card and take out their credit card and take out their cash. that's a step in the right direction . then it is a right direction. then it is a step in the right direction. >> but the devil's in the

detail, who therefore is going to bring a case towards the banks ? who can afford the banks? who can afford the lawyers to hit the banks and say, here i am . i couldn't have say, here i am. i couldn't have access to my cash? who's going to actually do that? will it take a consumer revolt? i suspect it probably will. and i think that's that's what you're talking about right now. i think that the customers, customers of banks should be saying to the banks should be saying to the banks themselves , i will stay a banks themselves, i will stay a customer of your bank. but what you've got to do is you've got to prove to me that i can access to prove to me that i can access to my cash, easy access to my cash when i like . and that is cash when i like. and that is not happening right now because i'm not i'm not wrong about this. the amount of atms are actually reducing banks. banks do not want to have the problem. >> michael wilson i'm so sorry for interrupting you, but we have got some breaking news that for interrupting you, but we havd0|ot some breaking news that for interrupting you, but we havd0|ot soito breaking news that for interrupting you, but we havd0|ot soito bring:ing news that for interrupting you, but we havd0|ot soito bring to; news that for interrupting you, but we havd0|ot soito bring to ourws that we do need to bring to our viewers listeners , and that viewers and listeners, and that is former lucy

is that the former nurse, lucy letby, has been found guilty of the murder of seven babies in her care whilst she was working on the neonate battle unit at the countess of chester hosphal the countess of chester hospital. now lucy letby is originally from hereford . she originally from hereford. she had denied all charges she had been charged with murdering seven babies and attempting to kill ten others. this was at the countess of chester hospital. the trial has lasted . some nine the trial has lasted. some nine months. here is the latest on this break news story. jurors have delivered their verdict. our north—west of england, reporter sophie reaper has the story . story. >> how loosely is this the most horrific crime possible ? horrific crime possible? >> the murder of a baby back in 2018? >> lucy letby was arrested on suspicion of just that . suspicion of just that. >> did you have any concerns that there was a rise in the mortality rate ?

mortality rate? >> yes. okay. so tell me about that. what concerns did you have . that we don't just notice as as a team in general, the nurses strike that this was a rise compared to previous years. >> new parents here at the countess of chester hospital put their trust in the staff on its neonatal unit that was only to find out later that one of the nurses was a killer as the number of incidents on the unit began to rise, so did the suspicions of lucy letby colleagues. this ultimately prompted an investigation by cheshire constabulary to try and provide some answers for the heartbroken families involved. >> i think it's hard to imagine what the families are going through. >> i think she used a cover of trust that she had gained the trust that she had gained the trust of parents, the trust of her colleagues and her friends to commit these crimes in such

an unimaginable way. >> in october of last year, lucy letby trial began as the former nurse faced charges of murdering seven babies, an attempt to murder a further ten. a jury at manchester crown court sat week after week month after month, heanng after week month after month, hearing details about each of the babies involved from child a all the way through to child. q lucy letby watched on from the dock as the court was shown images from her home and hospital rotas which identify her as the only person working at the time of every single incident . the evidence also incident. the evidence also included a series of handwritten notes found amongst the former nurses belongings, on one of which she'd written things like i killed them on purpose because i'm not good enough. and i am

evil. i did this then almost eight months after the trial began , the defendant took to the began, the defendant took to the stand for the very first time. she maintained her innocence throughout , telling the court throughout, telling the court she'd been devastated by the accusation . she said, i only accusation. she said, i only ever did my best to care for them . but ultimately , her them. but ultimately, her defence wasn't enough for the jury defence wasn't enough for the jury and the nurse once trusted to care for defenceless babies, was found guilty of murder. so philippa gb news well, well, there we have it. >> the 3033 year old lucy letby , now guilty confirmed to be the worst ever mass murder of children in the united kingdom's history. >> yes, we are hearing that lucy letby was not in the dock when the jury was discharged a few minutes ago after finding her

guilty of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six others. her parents were also not in court, but families of the victims were in the public gallery to hear the verdicts . gallery to hear the verdicts. now, verdicts on 16 of the 22 counts she faced were returned by the jury a few days ago, but they could not be reported until now. the jury couldn't reach verdicts on six counts of attempted murder. she has been now convicted at manchester crown court of murdering seven babies and attempting to kill ten others. this happened at the countess of chester hospital between june 2015 and june 2016. there has been nine months of evidence, so a very, very harrowing trial for the jurors of this case. they heard evidence including that lucy letby delivered injected babies with air and she poisoned them

with air and she poisoned them with insulin. the case has been heard in front of judge mr justice jane goss. lucy letby found guilty today. she has been found guilty today. she has been found not guilty. we are hearing this this news is coming in as we speak. so we are hearing that lucy letby has been found not guilty of one count of attempted murder of child h. the jury at manchester crown court could not reach a verdict. on a second count of attempted murder of the child. the jury also found letby guilty of the murder of child i. she was alleged to have killed the baby girl on the fourth attempt after giving her air and overfeed her with milk . the jury overfeed her with milk. the jury could not reach a verdict on a charge of attempted murder of child j. now as you can now understand from what you're hearing, what you're seeing ,

hearing, what you're seeing, this is a very complicated case and involves a number of babies . we are getting more and more information in. she has been found guilty of the murder of child e, who was a baby boy . she child e, who was a baby boy. she was accused of injecting air into his bloodstream and deliberately causing bleeding to him at the countess of chester hospital . she has also been hospital. she has also been convicted of the attempted murder of child f, who was the twin brother of child e, who was poisoned with insulin . she has poisoned with insulin. she has been found guilty of two counts of attempted murder relating to child g and not guilty of one count of attempted murder of the same child . you can now same child. you can now understand why this trial has lasted some nine months. jurors heanng lasted some nine months. jurors hearing nine months worth of evidence in relation to lucy letby, 33 years old, originally from hereford, who had denied

all charges. this is a mugshot of lucy letby that has now been released by police in light of that verdict. she's been found guilty of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder others while working on a hospital's neonatal unit between 2015 and 2016. >> now, the neonatal unit saw a spike in unexplained deaths for young children and babies , of young children and babies, of which the common link appeared to be lucy letby. that is what began this investigation and thatis began this investigation and that is what began this trial . that is what began this trial. let's cross now to manchester crown court, where sophie reaper , our reporter, is there for us. sophie, what an extraordinary verdict . verdict. >> it's absolutely unbelievable . this court case started back in october of last year. so we've now entered ten months of this trial . the jury was sent

this trial. the jury was sent out by justice goss back on the afternoon of monday, the 10th of july. >> this is day 22 of deliberations. >> they have had a total of 110 hours and 26 minutes of deliberation . that is absolutely deliberation. that is absolutely in comprehensible in terms of what we usually see a jury taking. but of course, there are 22 charges on this indictment that the former nurse was facing . i know we've just been hearing some of the charges and the verdicts that the jury about brought back. but i'll just summarise them. we now know that lucy letby has been found guilty of seven murders. that's of child a child c child. d child e child a child c child. d child e child ie child 0 and child . p of child ie child 0 and child. p of course, those names redacted for anonymity. purpose she's also been found guilty of seven attempted murders of child b, two counts of attempting to murder child g child f child l

child and child . n. we also now child and child. n. we also now know that she's been found not guilty of the attempted murder of child g, and one count of attempting to murder child h. then finally, there's those six counts that the jury were left hung on. and what that means is they were unable to come to a decision. that jury comprising of seven women and four men, of course , usually a jury consists course, usually a jury consists of 12 people a few weeks ago, the justice goss in this case, he released one of the jurors due to what he described as a good personal reason . we now good personal reason. we now have those or now had those 11 jurors, should i say. they've just been discharged by justice goss after they came into the court to tell us that even given more time and the majority direction , they would be unable direction, they would be unable to come to any more majority verdict . so those six counts verdict. so those six counts were left hung. now, one huge thing that we will take away from this court case is with lucy letby being found guilty of

those seven murders. she now becomes the most prolific serial killer of children in modern british history. just take that in for a moment. the most prolific serial killer of babies and children in modern uk history, that is what she will be known as of course, the sentencing is yet to come. we don't know yet what what sentencing justice goss will pass that's going to happen as of monday of next week, the morning he told us, from 10 am. but of course, we can't talk about children murders without thinking about who lucy letby has taken over that title. what is held by rose west. she was charged with the murder of five children, but of course, now with those seven murders, she's been found guilty of by the jury here at manchester crown court, thatis here at manchester crown court, that is now lucy letby. she becomes the most prolific serial killer of children in modern uk history . now, let's talk a history. now, let's talk a little bit about the reaction that lucy letby has had to these

verdicts. of course, initially she was highly emotional . she she was highly emotional. she was, as she was taken from the dock, we heard those sobs . but dock, we heard those sobs. but the next time when we heard , of the next time when we heard, of course, these verdicts came in over several days , that first over several days, that first time there were sobs. but the second time we saw her, we heard we heard effectively nothing. her hands were over her face and there was no real reaction. then over the past few days, we haven't seen the defendant at all. she refused to come up to the dock to see the families of those victims , to see to see her those victims, to see to see her own parents, who, of course, have also been beside themselves as they've been hearing these verdict coming in. now lucy letby herself throughout this trial, i would say she i, of course, have been here since october , coming and delivering october, coming and delivering reports on this trial since october. she is relatively been calm and collected throughout.

of course , there have been times of course, there have been times where that facade has slipped and we've seen the emotion. there's been a couple of times, for example, when she was giving evidence that we saw those tears, saw the emotion there. tears, we saw the emotion there. that was also one instance where we had to stop proceedings for the day because she just became too emotional. and she said it was much her. so was all too much for her. so that facade has slipped at times. and of course, we see that again now. we've been seeing verdicts initially there was emotion, she was the emotion, but then she was the emotion, but then she was able to herself was able to compose herself again and she just appeared as though nothing was happening whatsoever . and then, of course, whatsoever. and then, of course, she refused to come up to she has refused to come up to the what so ever. of the dock. what so ever. of course , we have to talk about course, we have to talk about the families in this case, the families who, of course, have been so devastated . seven babies been so devastated. seven babies murdered by lucy letby. of course, many of them have been present in manchester crown court, not only during jury deliberations, but throughout the entire ten months of this trial. they, of course , have trial. they, of course, have been absolutely on the most

emotional rollercoaster one could ever imagine going on. we've seen tears . we've seen we've seen tears. we've seen angen we've seen tears. we've seen anger. one parent stormed from the room today after hearing that that no more verdicts could be delivered of course, it is highly emotionally charged . but highly emotionally charged. but just to summarise all of this, of course, this is such a hugely complex case. and over the coming days, of course, i know shortly we'll be hearing a statement from the crown prosecution service. they will also be a statement from the countess of chester hospital. of course , where all of these course, where all of these incidents took place between june of 2015 and june of 2016. they'll be putting out a statement later on today that we'll be bringing you. but just to summarise, we now know after ten months that lucy letby, the former nurse, has been found guilty of multiple counts of murder, seven counts of murder , murder, seven counts of murder, seven counts of attempted murder , and found not guilty of two counts of attempted murder.

>> so this is the most extraordinary story, the most prolific child murderer in modern british history. it there must now be questions asked of how this was allowed to take place eight years ago. why it took so long for this individual took so long for this individual to be brought to justice, and where the feelings have been clearly taking place throughout the nhs, throughout perhaps social services , throughout the social services, throughout the entire british . state entire british. state >> absolutely , tom. and this is >> absolutely, tom. and this is something that has been discussed throughout the entirety of this trial. we of course, we don't know anything just yet, but one would imagine there will be investigations into the countess of chester hospital and the wider nhs as to how something like this was allowed to happen. the number of incidents taking place over the span of a year. i mean, the

first few murders, i believe, took place over just two weeks. and of course , colleagues of and of course, colleagues of lucy letby have given evidence throughout this trial. four of them have said that they they believe that she was guilty and that they had always suspected that they had always suspected that she was guilty of something. so it now becomes the question, what will happen ? i'm question, what will happen? i'm sure the families will, especially those perhaps who haven't had a verdict, those six who were left as a hung jury, they will have questions as to what did happen. then, of course , the two that were not guilty is then what did happen to their children at the countess of chester hospital all those years ago. of course, this isn't a new story for the nhs. we can't really talk about baby murderers without talking about beverly allitt , who of course, back in allitt, who of course, back in 1991 she was found guilty of the murder of three babies and one child. she became known in the media as the angel of death. of course, lucy letby far surpasses the number of deaths she has

been charged with now, but it's what beverley allitt was most known for was her choice, which was insulin poisoning. and that is what lucy letby has also been found guilty of. two counts of attempted murder via insulin poisoning. so this now becomes a much wider investigation, one would imagine, into exactly how this was allowed to happen . and this was allowed to happen. and as you say, exactly how it's been so many years before we've managed to come to this point today of finding lucy letby guilty of those crimes . guilty of those crimes. >> sophie, i just wanted to come back. >> sophie, i just wanted to come back . to the details of what's back. to the details of what's been happening in court, because it's important that we explain to people again about court restrictions that have meant that we've been unable to name the babies or give any details that would identify them. but we can now say that of the seven that were killed, five were boys and two were girls. and two of

the boys were brothers from a set of triplet . that is indeed set of triplet. that is indeed the case. >> there are so many complexities to this case. as you mentioned, their child . oh, you mentioned, their child. oh, and i believe they were the two boys who were set of triplets , boys who were set of triplets, child a and child b , they were a child a and child b, they were a set of twins. of course , one of set of twins. of course, one of them murdered. one of them attempted to be murdered . child attempted to be murdered. child l and believe we actually l and m, i believe we actually have an interview with the parents of child m lucy letby , parents of child m lucy letby, of course, found guilty of attempting murder both of attempting to murder both of those. twin boys. so the those. their twin boys. so the there is a theme running throughout this indictment is that there are several instances of both twins and triplets . of both twins and triplets. >> sophie, thank you for the moment. do stay where you are . moment. do stay where you are. we will come back to you. but we just want to give you as more information about this trial, about the worst serial killer of

children in modern times . that children in modern times. that is now lucy letby . now, since is now lucy letby. now, since october of last year , 13 october of last year, 13 families have waited to see if she did indeed attack their children. just one of those are the parents of child l and child twins that the former nurse attempted to murder back in 2016 in order to protect their identities, their names and faces have been concealed in this report and their answers have been voiced by actors. >> now gb news national reporter paul hawkins has this. i think she was unsuccessful with killing my kids. >> that's why she was very annoyed with us. she thought that couldn't baby . that i couldn't kill your baby. >> in april 2016, lucy letby tried to murder a set of twin boys. >> she was unsuccessful, but seven years later, her unspeakable actions still haunt the parents of child l and child. >> m she was very cool, calm , >> m she was very cool, calm, calculated and a criminal minded lady. >> but we didn't notice anything at the time because she created

the impression to the doctors, to the staff and everyone that i'm very good nurse. i'm doing i'm a very good nurse. i'm doing very well . she created that very well. she created that impression pressured the impression and pressured the doctors and everyone that's why no one suspected her to me. >> nothing . she means nothing. >> nothing. she means nothing. just an evil person . there's no just an evil person. there's no way she should have been able to get away with it for so long at around 4:00 that afternoon, child m required resuscitation after their health deteriorated rapidly . rapidly. >> it was just crying . crying >> it was just crying. crying and i said, oh my god, what happened ? the doctor was giving happened? the doctor was giving compressions to baby m. one of the nurses said to me , i've not the nurses said to me, i've not done anything . i've not done done anything. i've not done anything. and lucy was behind her and i was just praying to god, saying , what has her and i was just praying to god, saying, what has happened to my child ? i've not done to my child? i've not done anything wrong in my life to anybody, so why do i have to suffer? >> meanwhile, letby was slowly poisoning their other baby child. >> l with insulin child. >> lwith insulin . >> lwith insulin. >> lwith insulin. >> well, when we heard about baby l's issue , we were shocked baby l's issue, we were shocked because the hospital not

because the hospital had not told us. >> exactly . when the police >> yes, exactly. when the police came house and told us came to our house and told us your second child is involved with lucy, we were shocked and we we didn't know about we said we didn't know about baby they not told us baby l. why are they not told us about we didn't know about baby? l? we didn't know about baby? l? we didn't know about baby? l? we didn't know about baby m they hadn't about baby? l? we didn't know about babout. they hadn't about baby? l? we didn't know about babout baby. hey hadn't about baby? l? we didn't know about babout baby. lay hadn't about baby? l? we didn't know about babout baby. l it hadn't about baby? l? we didn't know about babout baby. l it wasn't told us about baby. l it was just unbelievable . just unbelievable. >> we couldn't believe it. although letby trial is now oven although letby trial is now over, the parents of child l and m are not satisfied . m are not yet satisfied. >> for them, countess of >> for them, the countess of chester hospital still has questions to answer . questions to answer. >> a public inquiry. the hih management. they need to be held accountable . accountable. >> the doctors raised their concerns and they didn't act upon them. >> dismissed them and it >> they dismissed them and it could prevented could have been prevented if they'd upon the initial they'd acted upon the initial suspicions. definitely suspicions. then they definitely could stopped could have stopped any more babies . babies being attacked. >> took everything a joy , >> she took everything a joy, happiness . happiness. >> i'm not the same person i was before . and in the run up to to before. and in the run up to to the the case, i'd suffered a seizure before october. i suffered a seizure. it's just constant . i'm a changed person. constant. i'm a changed person. it's been hell, to be honest . it's been hell, to be honest. >> very, very horrendous .

>> very, very horrendous. >> very, very horrendous. >> paul hawkins , gb news. if you >> paul hawkins, gb news. if you are just joining us, we are bringing you the breaking news that nurse lucy letby has been found guilty of murdering seven babies who were being looked after in a neonatal ward . after in a neonatal ward. >> lucy letby is now the uk's most prolific killer of babies in modern times. most prolific killer of babies in modern times . our in modern times. our correspondent sophie reaper has been following this trial throughout . been following this trial throughout. this is lucy been following this trial throughout . this is lucy letby , throughout. this is lucy letby, who actually in recent days has refused to appear in court. who actually in recent days has refused to appear in court . we refused to appear in court. we can join sophie reaper we're getting more information, sophie, about what the judge said to the jury as he discharged them after so many months. and he did actually say , didn't he, that this has been a most distressing and upsetting case. and the families of the babies were in court. i mean, what on earth was their reaction as they heard these verdicts . as they heard these verdicts. >> well, just to answer quickly

about what the judge said to the jury, about what the judge said to the jury, he has, in fact, now discharged that jury and told them that they will never have to serve jury duty again, given the nature of this trial, like you say, it has been highly distressing . he also offered distressing. he also offered them any help that they may may needin them any help that they may may need in terms of counselling, because, of course, the material that's been dealt with in this trial, even just listening as a journalist in the court, it has been truly so horrendous to hear the actions that we now know that lucy letby has been found guilty of, that she carried out between june of 2015 and june of 2016. now the families, of course, as i was saying earlier, they've been hearing the verdicts over the past week or so in in various across various days as each parent has heard effectively the fate of their baby. we've seen them react in. and now these families of we've heard, become very close over

the past ten months. of course , the past ten months. of course, they work alongside family liaison officers, but they've all become a sort of support system for one another. and that much was evident as we have been heanng much was evident as we have been hearing those verdicts as the verdict for child g came in a few days ago. one of the other parents were seen passing tissues back to the parents of child g as they reacted. of course, parent of children a and b, one of whom was found to lucy, was found guilty of their murder. and the other lucy letby, was found guilty of attempting to murder. we saw their reaction as they heard what lucy letby had effectively done to their babies, and they were just inconsolable , as you were just inconsolable, as you would expect , this is the most would expect, this is the most horrendous thing to go through as we all know, that the trials and tribulations of a pregnancy and tribulations of a pregnancy and to then find out that a woman who you should have been able to trust, a nurse above all else, had tried to either at had

attempted to murder your baby or had been successful in murdering your baby . seven sets of parents your baby. seven sets of parents now know that lucy letby, that nurse who had dealt with them throughout their throughout laboun throughout their throughout labour, had then gone on to carry out a murder. i just think there is nothing more horrific than what these families have had to go through . had to go through. >> sophie it is extraordinary to hear again and again the methods which were used injection with insulin force feeding with milk andindeed insulin force feeding with milk and indeed injecting air into little babies . little babies. >> we understand that that lucy letby was saying that these sudden and unexplained deaths which happened to take place at the time she was on the ward, would due to not enough staffing levels in the nhs , she tried to levels in the nhs, she tried to blame the hospital . how did that blame the hospital. how did that go . down

go. down >> well, as well as you can expect. she obviously i will say for the insulin deaths we did hear when she gave her defence that she said that someone must have tried to poison those babies. and i think that's perhaps why we heard those two verdicts, those two guilty verdicts, those two guilty verdicts on the two insulin attempted murders . first because attempted murders. first because she herself admitted that someone had to have attempted to poison those babies . the other poison those babies. the other instances of both murder and attempted murder. those methods, of course, over the course of the ten months, as we've been heanng the ten months, as we've been hearing evidence, we've heard from various medical experts who have walked to the court and the jury have walked to the court and the jury through exactly what that will have meant . and it's at will have meant. and it's at times it's been really rather graphic. and difficult to hear. i know the journalists in court of all have also found it very emotional hearing those final moments for seven of those babies. we've heard evidence from from a huge spectrum of

people across across this court case. the amount of evidence produced by cheshire police is also just can i just jump in? >> believable ? >> believable? >> believable? >> it is absolutely . of course. >> it is absolutely. of course. >> it is absolutely. of course. >> sophie, i just want to say we are now just hearing that the sentencing of lucy letby will be at 10 am. this monday in front of judge mrjustice james at 10 am. this monday in front of judge mr justice james goss at 10 am. this monday in front of judge mrjustice james goss . of judge mr justice james goss. she will be facing life imprisonment, won't she . well imprisonment, won't she. well it's a very difficult one to say. >> of course , in terms of >> of course, in terms of speculation. but i think in this case, we can safely say that if she has become the most prolific child serial killer in modern british history , that that must british history, that that must indeed be the case. now, she may be facing that sentence, but what she won't face, we don't think, is the victims or the victims families. we heard i mentioned earlier, of course, that she hasn't been coming up into the dock the past few days. justice goss asked the defence

about this and benjamin myers, the case told us that, in fact, it was her decision that she would no longer be appearing in the dock. of course , we've seen the dock. of course, we've seen this several cases over the past few years , most notably thomas few years, most notably thomas cashman . he refused to come up. cashman. he refused to come up. it was here at manchester crown court. he refused to come up and see olivia pratt—korbel bell's family. we have the same situation here that lucy letby , situation here that lucy letby, we believe will refuse to come up and see the faces of the families of her victims . as we families of her victims. as we know now that that will be at 10 am. on monday. we expect that what will happen first is we'll hear those victim impact statements that we always hear a sentencing. now we understand there will be around 17, which would mean we would expect that to be one per baby on the indictment that most likely the parents will have written to written down exactly how it's been, how this how this court case and moreover , how lucy case and moreover, how lucy libby's actions have indeed

affected them over the past the past years, since between 2015 and 2016, when those incidents were carried out, we'll hear those victim impact statements and then we will hear judge goss give his sentencing . and give his sentencing. and although lucy letby will most likely not be present, he told us yesterday that he will still deliver his sentencing as if she was indeed present. so we will be bringing you the live sentencing here from manchester crown court . so if anyone is crown court. so if anyone is watching and feels slightly confused as to why it seems the judge is addressing someone who isn't there, that's a decision that he has made. perhaps for the comfort of the family. so that they feel as though someone really is being addressed and that someone really is having to face up to the actions of lucy letby, a murderer . letby, a murderer. >> well, sophie reaper , thank >> well, sophie reaper, thank you so much for bringing us the very latest there outside the court where this decision has

been made today will be crossing, of course, back to sophie reaper through the course of the afternoon. it is the most extraordinary story of the most prolific child murderer in modern british history. >> yeah, and just to recap, if you are just joining us, lucy letby, 33 years old, a former nurse , has been found guilty of nurse, has been found guilty of murdering seven babies in her care and attempting to murder another six babies at the countess of chester hospital. that's over a year long period . that's over a year long period. and two five of the victims were boys. two were girls , and two of boys. two were girls, and two of the boys were brothers from a set of triplets . set of triplets. >> well, let's cross now to simon harding, a former met police senior investigating officer who can join us now. simon. thank you forjoining us simon. thank you for joining us this afternoon. and what is just the most extraordinary story and your experience in the police force. have you come close to anything that comes near to what

we've been hearing over the last few days ? few days? >> no, certainly not in my experience. >> i mean, you know, you can deal with many, many murders over the years , but to actually, over the years, but to actually, you know, be faced with somebody, a serial killer and a serial killer babies is serial killer of babies is highly unusual. and, you know, evenin highly unusual. and, you know, even in british police forces , even in british police forces, we have to go back to the early 90s with beverley allitt to see when that happened before, you know , it's similar kind know, it's very similar kind of things with with insulin. >> so, no, it's not something you experience very often, but what you can see there is that the police and the crown prosecution service done , prosecution service have done, you know, appears be an you know, what appears to be an amazing job to get this all together. many, you know, together. many many, you know, you're with many you're dealing with many, many different they different murders here. they all have treated individually have to be treated individually as cases and but then brought together as one prosecution. and similarly , the way that the jury similarly, the way that the jury have dealt with this, they've had to deliberate on individual murder cases and then bring them all . all together. >> and for detective lives, this is such a massive, intricate ,

is such a massive, intricate, intricate case to investigate , intricate case to investigate, isn't it ? isn't it? >> oh, it will be. yeah. i mean, it's, you know, it's so, so difficult in terms of some some sort of general murders that you see just. but when you're see just. but but when you're talking about babies and, you know , insides of babies haven't know, insides of babies haven't been properly, it's very, been formed properly, it's very, very get through very difficult to get through those, know, those those, you know, those those loopholes and stages. you have to to prove exactly how to get to prove exactly how somebody died. and in this case, in a very, very young baby's. so, yeah, an amazing job. and, you know, a lot of credit to the officers that have carried out this investigation . this investigation. >> it is certainly the most extraordinary investigation, the 110 hours of deliberation from the jury, the nine months of evidence that they will have been hearing . what will the been hearing. what will the juries experience have been like? have you dealt with cases that sort of come close to this ? >> well, you do deal with a lot

of cases where you know, they the jury are very invested in the jury are very invested in the case, you know, especially cases which take a long time. and they become very emotionally attached you know, to the attached to, you know, to the victims in terms if you know, even though they don't know them, are them, the families that are there, families there, you know, these families will be them. they'll there, you know, these families wilable them. they'll there, you know, these families wilable those 11. they'll there, you know, these families wilable those familiesl be able to see those families all the you know, all the time. you know, during the itself . and then to go all the time. you know, during the the itself . and then to go all the time. you know, during the the itselfand|d then to go all the time. you know, during the the itselfand you en to go all the time. you know, during the the itselfand you know, go all the time. you know, during the the itselfand you know, that into the room and you know, that tradition that we have of 12 people you know, that sit people that you know, that sit together and discuss and they bnng together and discuss and they bring all their experiences of life into that room to take apart that case, to understand, you know , and you can you can you know, and you can you can tell they really , really have, tell they really, really have, you know, dealt with this very, very precisely . you know, very precisely. you know, they've deliberated for a long, long time. and it's rightly so that they appear to have done theirjob perfectly. they found , you know, what they could safely say are murder convictions. and some which they couldn't necessarily come to conclusions on. they'll be decisions about those to come as well , because, you know, they well, because, you know, they

might be decisions as to whether that those those excuse that those those those excuse me, those which haven't me, those cases which haven't necessarily been decided upon, may go back into a further trial. but that's something for the crown prosecution service and the police to decide at a later date. >> and the crown prosecution service, they have been releasing they've released a statement and they and i think you alluded to this , they've you alluded to this, they've talking about the fact that innocuous substance substances like air, milk, fluids or medication like insulin, they become lethal, lethal in the wrong hands. and lucy letby weaponized her craft to inflict harm, grief and death . harm, grief and death. >> yeah, that's a very a very powerful statement. weaponizing her craft. you know, as though this is something which she, you know she was wanted to know, she really was wanted to do . the premeditation appears to do. the premeditation appears to be there , obviously, because of be there, obviously, because of the number of babies that she's ended the life or try to um so yeah, it's a very, very powerful

statement and the cps themselves will be, you know, should be credited they don't often get the credit nowadays they are sure staff like the police are like everybody else's. but you know lot of people know there's a lot of people done lot around this done a lot of work around this and of and there'll be lots of specialist in in specialist departments in in various in the hospitals that may have helped everybody to bnng may have helped everybody to bring this person and this this this girl is unlikely ever to see the light of day again . see the light of day again. >> and simon, just just give us a of an insight into what a bit of an insight into what support that will have been given to the police by the police liaison officers, to the to the bereaved families . to the bereaved families. >> yeah. so the policing in this country , we have you know, we country, we have you know, we are world leaders in family liaison. you know, we we're one of those that invented it. it's a it's a i'm so proud of that system as a police officer . the system as a police officer. the officers that are family liaison officers that are family liaison officers are trained. they they are like , you know, you are people like, you know, you and they are trained . and i, they they are trained. they after families. they look after these families. they look after these families. they them through the they help them through the process from the very, very start , right way through start, right the way through the trial , as start, right the way through the trial, as much they can,

trial, as much as they can, explaining things along with the senior officers and every other detective that is that is working on the case. and they will they will that will they will give that emotional support as much as they will give they can, but they will give that which helps that support, which helps explain different things, nuances in the in the criminal justice system that may be slightly complicated . that and slightly complicated. that and hope that everybody hope then that everybody understands what's happened , understands what's happened, even those that potentially we're talking about, people who will disappointed as well, will be disappointed as well, that, verdicts haven't that, you know, verdicts haven't been reached on on their children . children. >> simon harding, former met police senior investigating officer, really appreciate your thoughts this afternoon . thank you. >> well, let's cross now back to manchester, where sophie reaper has been following this case because sophie, we are expecting imminent shortly a press conference live from manchester crown court . we are indeed. crown court. we are indeed. >> you can probably see the microphones set up just here behind me as we're expecting that statement from cps. then a

little bit later on today, we'll hear a state from the countess of chester hospital . of course, of chester hospital. of course, everyone wanting now , now that everyone wanting now, now that we have those verdicts to have their say, cps , i'm sure, will their say, cps, i'm sure, will focus more on the impacts this has had on the families, but also the work behind the scenes that they have done to finally reach this verdict . reach this verdict. >> it is just extraordinary the amount of detail that we are getting, the number of babies who have been in volved. and i think many people will be dwelling on that particular detail that . two out of three detail that. two out of three triplets were murdered by this nurse, by lucy letby. to many people , that will strike out as people, that will strike out as something that is particularly evil . there will be a child evil. there will be a child growing up in britain today who's two siblings were killed by this nurse . by this nurse. >> yeah, that's that's the case,

unfortunately. of course, we'll never know who that that third triple is because of the lifelong, lifelong anonymity that has been granted to him and to his two siblings that were murdered and to his wider family . but as you say, what could be worse than that ? but this case worse than that? but this case is so complex. and it's hard to put it into words really , that put it into words really, that there are that not just that family . there are seven babies family. there are seven babies that have been murdered at the hands of lucy letby, seven babies throughout the span of a year at that countess of chester hospital on the neonatal unit. those families will have gone through pregnancy and will have gone through labour, and then they'll their they'll have placed their children in the hands of lucy. let be thinking that they would be for and that they would be cared for and that they would be cared for and that they would be , in her be safe. lucy letby, in her evidence, said all evidence, said that's all she ever wanted to was care ever wanted to do was to care for the babies that she was. she was with looking after. was tasked with looking after. but know that on seven but we now know that on seven occasions what she, in fact did

was kill them. and that is just such a stark contrast nurses is one of those professions that we just we just automatically assume a good people with with hearts of gold that we can trust with our children and that now bnngs with our children and that now brings into question if that is indeed the case, parents up and down the country will see these verdicts today and ask that question themselves because they now see that anything is really possible . if lucy letby was was possible. if lucy letby was was not only capable, but also given the opportunity to carry out those murders, then then who knows? they're clearly is no stopping some people. it is it's truly so horrendous. >> a lot of people at home today might be sitting back and thinking this woman is not just a murderer. a terrible serial killer of children , but also killer of children, but also a coward because she did not turn up to sit in that dock in the last few days of this trial . she

last few days of this trial. she is going to avoid sitting in the dock for her sentencing on monday. this is someone who is not facing up to her actions . not facing up to her actions. well that is our understanding. >> we do know that she hasn't beenin >> we do know that she hasn't been in the dock for the for the last few set of verdicts that we've received . and we've heard we've received. and we've heard from benjamin myers case, the defence in this case, that it's lucy levy's intention to not be in the dock for that sentencing on monday. so i'm sure you're absolutely right. there will be viewers today who think the word coward is rather quite apt for lucy letby because she won't come to the dock. she won't look into the faces of the families of the babies. she murdered or attempted to murder. and face up to what she has done throughout this entire trial . she has pled this entire trial. she has pled not guilty on all of the 22 charges on this indictment . she charges on this indictment. she has always maintained her innocence. and yet today we can

now say that she was, in fact, not innocent on several she was found not guilty on two of the attempted murders , but that she attempted murders, but that she was found guilty of seven murders and seven attempts in murders. and as you say, making her the most prolific serial killer of children in modern british history . british history. >> sophie, plenty of reaction coming in to these guilty verdicts , including from from verdicts, including from from prosecutors . we haven't yet prosecutors. we haven't yet heard from the countess of chester hospital where these murders took place , but murders took place, but questions will be now asked of hospital bosses , won't they, hospital bosses, won't they, about you , whether they called about you, whether they called police early, early enough were the warnings there that something was very wrong . something was very wrong. >> i think that will indeed be the case. we know that later on today we will hear a statement from the countess of chester hospital . they will, of course, hospital. they will, of course, now want to have their side of the story told. but throughout

this court case, that has been a question asked. how did it go on for so long? why were there not more questions asked about this huge influx in the number of incidents taking place on the neonatal unit? there were questions asked by staff . in questions asked by staff. in fact, i remember one particularly poignant bit of evidence that we heard in the case was that after the third murder, i believe it was one of lucy letby colleagues actually text lucy letby and said to her, i can't believe you were on again, already showing that people were starting to question lucy letby presence at all of these incidents taking place. of course , we've seen the hospital course, we've seen the hospital rotas as part of the trial. we've seen that hard copy of the evidence which shows it's a table with all of the neonatal unit staff . and as you look down unit staff. and as you look down here, i think the person who was next most present for the incidents was someone who was there for seven out of 22. that's the next highest number of a person being present where

lucy letby was present for all 22. it's quite a stark contrast, wouldn't you say ? wouldn't you say? >> absolutely. sophie we will come back to you. we actually looking at pictures now of the moment. so lucy letby was arrested. i'm not sure whether there's any sound on that footage otherwise we would play at you. it is mute , but those at you. it is mute, but those thatis at you. it is mute, but those that is the moment that she was arrested over the murders , she arrested over the murders, she is being found guilty at manchester crown court today of murdering six seven babies in her care and attempting . to her care and attempting. to murder six others. we are expecting a press conference very shortly, which we will bnng very shortly, which we will bring to you live here on gb news. >> now, after this trial, that's lasted more than ten months, the jury lasted more than ten months, the jury in the lucy letby trial delivered their verdict. of course, they found the former nurse guilty of the murdering and attempting to murder babies whilst she was working on those

neonates on the neonatal neonatal unit at that hospital. well, let's get the full details of how events transpired . sophie of how events transpired. sophie reaper has this report . reaper has this report. >> how loosely is this the most horrific crime possible? >> the murder of a baby back in 2018? lucy letby was arrested on suspicion of just that . suspicion of just that. >> did you have any concerns that there was a rise in the mortality rate ? yes. okay. so mortality rate? yes. okay. so tell me about that. what concerns did you have . i think concerns did you have. i think we don't just notice as a team in general, the nurses strike that this was a rise compared to previous years. >> new parents here at the countess of chester hospital put their trust in the staff on its neonatal unit. that was only to find out later that one of the nurses was a killer , as the nurses was a killer, as the number of incidents on the unit began to rise, so did the

suspicion of lucy letby colleagues . this ultimately colleagues. this ultimately prompted an investigation by cheshire constabulary to try and provide some answers for the heartbroken families involved . heartbroken families involved. >> and i think it's hard to imagine what the families are going through. >> i think she used a cover of trust that she'd gained the trust that she'd gained the trust of parents, the trust of her colleagues and her friends to commit these crimes in such an unimaginable way. in october of last year , lucy letby trial of last year, lucy letby trial began as the former nurse faced charges of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder a further ten. >> a jury at manchester crown court sat week after week , month court sat week after week, month after month , hearing details after month, hearing details about each of the babies involved from child a all the way through to child. q lucy

letby watched on from the dock as the court was shown images from her home and hospital rotas which identify her as the only person working at the time of every single incident. the evidence also included a series of handwritten notes found amongst the former nurses belongings, on one of which she'd written things like i killed them on purpose because i'm not good enough. and i am evil. i did this then almost eight months after the trial began , the defendant took to the began, the defendant took to the stand for the very first time. she maintained her innocence throughout , telling the court throughout, telling the court she'd been devastated by the accusations . she said, i only accusations. she said, i only ever did my best to care for them . but ultimately, her them. but ultimately, her defence wasn't enough for the jury , defence wasn't enough for the jury , and the nurse once trusted jury, and the nurse once trusted to care for defenceless babies

was found guilty of murder. sophie reaper. gb news. the was found guilty of murder. sophie reaper . gb news. the face sophie reaper. gb news. the face there of lucy letby, who has become the most prolific baby killer in modern times . killer in modern times. >> she has been found guilty of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six others. a trial lasting more than ten months, believed to be the longest murder trial in the uk . longest murder trial in the uk. sophie reaper corresponds . it sophie reaper corresponds. it was in court for much of that trial. sophie lucy letby is likely to be sentenced on monday morning, but will she appear in court for this sentencing . court for this sentencing. >> i highly doubt it. we've already been told in open court today that that's really not likely to be the case. justice goss, the judge presiding over this case, asked a few days ago when lucy letby stopped

appearing in the dock. exactly what was happening. benjamin myers , kc, the defence in this myers, kc, the defence in this case, then return to say that it was lucy like this decision that she was now refusing to appear in the dock. and we now imagine that that will remain the for case the sentencing. so we won't be seeing her for four. justice goss delivered that sentence. we won't be seeing her face. the families of the victims, we won't see her reaction to heanng won't see her reaction to hearing exactly what sentence lies ahead . and as we said lies ahead. and as we said before, i think viewers at home perhaps will start to use the word coward , just as they have word coward, just as they have done previously for people like thomas cashman, who also refused earlier on this year, in fact, at manchester crown court to appear to face olivia bell's family for his sentencing . we family for his sentencing. we have the same situation here. she's been found guilty. we now know that she'll have that title of the most prolific serial killer of children in british

history. and she just she just won't come to the doctor face. exactly. what's waiting for her on monday morning . on monday morning. >> it is 2:00. you are with the live desk on gb news as we bring you the breaking news that nurse lucy letby has been found guilty of murdering seven babies. she was looking after in a neonatal natal unit. she is britain's worst searing killer of children , the most prolific baby killer in modern times. , the most prolific baby killer in modern times . this these in modern times. this these verdicts today come after a trial lasting more than ten months. it is believed to be the longest murder trial in the uk. lucy letby murdered children from june 2015 to june 2016 at the county. >> the countess of chester hospital . she stands at the age hospital. she stands at the age of 33 with the title of the most prolific baby killer in modern british history. 110 hours of

deliberate on the jury underway . kent, we're now looking at images of the initial arrest of lucy letby the moment when she likely knew the game was up, when the police came to their house where they later found evidence written down by lucy letby saying things like, i did it, notes hand written notes, appearing to confess to her crimes . crimes. >> and to all intents and purposes , lucy letby gave the purposes, lucy letby gave the impression of being a caring and committed nurse. she had told the court that she always had wanted to work with children and she chose a level exams that would give her the best chance of doing that . but underneath of doing that. but underneath the court heard that she was actually very cool, very calm , actually very cool, very calm, and she was calculating indeed . and she was calculating indeed. >> as the trial continues , jude, >> as the trial continues, jude, lucy letby started to not turn

up the last days of the trial. lucy letby refused to face those families. we now know those families. we now know those families of the children she killed, big question marks over whether lucy letby will even turn up to her own sense . icing turn up to her own sense. icing scheduled for monday morning . scheduled for monday morning. >> this is the moment police arrested lucy letby . now how arrested lucy letby. now how lucy is this? >> hello, my name, please . >> hello, my name, please. >> hello, my name, please. >> i attended her turquoise door . you can see there the killer opens. she looks rather surprised as detectives enter her property. later she's led out in handcuffs , hands behind out in handcuffs, hands behind her back . the look of shock on her back. the look of shock on her back. the look of shock on her face. perhaps this is the moment she knew what the next ten months of her life would be like . like. >> and yet she denied all 22 charges against her. she blamed the deaths on hospital hygiene

and staffing levels when in fact she was deliberate injecting babies with air and poisoning them with insulin. she is due to be sentenced on monday morning, but these guilty verdicts were delivered. this afternoon. what a gruelling process . yes, for a gruelling process. yes, for jurors it has been over the last ten months for and all the babies families. and we can now tell you, because there were reports , voting restrictions reports, voting restrictions dunng reports, voting restrictions during this very long trial, we're not allowed to name the babies, but we can tell you that the victims were five boys and two girls. and two of the boys were brothers from a set of triplets. >> well , triplets. >> well, here's what triplets. >> well , here's what lucy letby >> well, here's what lucy letby told the police after her arrest . and death. >> i've been linked to somebody thatis >> i've been linked to somebody that is there a lot of them. did you have any concerns that there

was a rise in the mortality rate 7 was a rise in the mortality rate ? yes. okay. so tell me about that. what concerns did you have that. what concerns did you have that we don't just notice as a team in general, the nurses strike that this was a rise compared to previous years ? compared to previous years? >> lucy letby being interviewed there after her arrest. now the former chief executive of the countess of chester hospital has issued a statement. his name is tony chambers , and he says, all tony chambers, and he says, all my thoughts are with the children at the heart of this case and their families and loved ones at this incredibly difficult time, the crimes that have been committed are appalling . and i am deeply appalling. and i am deeply saddened by what has come to light . it is saddened by what has come to light. it is also saddened by what has come to light . it is also understood light. it is also understood that tony chambers will cooperate fully and openly with any post—trial enquiry. sophie reaper. any post—trial enquiry. sophie reaper . our any post—trial enquiry. sophie reaper. our correspondent, joins us live from manchester crown

court . sophie, you've been court. sophie, you've been following much of this trial. what a day for the baby's families. the jurors in court who have been told they will never have to do jury service again. quite understandably, after this . after this. >> well, this is the day we have all been waiting for that jury being sent back out on the 10th of july. so well over a month ago, they've had 22 days of deliberation . and today, of deliberation. and today, of course, being the 22nd to deliberate over those 22 counts on the indictment, 110 hours and 26 minutes, making it perhaps one of the longest jury deliberations in british judicial history. deliberations in british judicial history . and of course, judicial history. and of course, it's understandable , 22 counts it's understandable, 22 counts on the indictment for the jury to make their way through . one to make their way through. one by one, they , of course, lost by one, they, of course, lost one of the jurors to what the judge described as a good

personal reason, making it a jury personal reason, making it a jury of 11. there was seven women, four men when it was unanimous verdict, which for anyone at home who doesn't know, unanimous means that all 11 of the jurors have to agree on a verdict on that unanimous verdict on that unanimous verdict . we got the first two verdict. we got the first two guilty verdicts which were on two attempted murders . we also two attempted murders. we also heard one or the unanimous verdicts, whereas the rest all came after we heard what's described as a majority direction. and what that means is the judge tells the jury that instead 10 to 1 can be the split of their decision, meaning that ten jurors agree on the verdict and one disagrees. that's how we have managed to come to all of those other verdicts in this case. and no wonder it's taken them so much time. there has been so much evidence. there have been so many statements, so many witnesses who have given evidence in this trial. so no

wonder it's taken since october of last year to get to this point here today, to hear those verdicts here at the lucy letby trial at manchester crown court , the prosecution labelled lisa lucy letby as a calculating and devious opportunist who gaslight colleagues to cover her murderous assaults . murderous assaults. >> what was it like sitting in that courtroom hearing ever more detail of unspeakable evil acts . in in a word, unbelievable . . in in a word, unbelievable. >> i have never in my short career, i have never seen anything quite like it. and i'm sure many of my colleagues from other channels will agree. we perhaps will never see anything like it ever again. >> sophie for now , thank you. we >> sophie for now, thank you. we are expecting that police press conference very shortly, but let's get some reaction from former detective peter former met detective peter blakeslee. peter, thanks for talking to us on gb news. such a

harrowing case. this what is your reaction ? your reaction? >> the deceit, the depravity, the wickedness and the evil words and actions of lucy letby will go down in the criminal history books as being what they truly are depraved . beyond the truly are depraved. beyond the compare and even the thinking of any right minded person , i would any right minded person, i would like to praise. for what it's worth , the detectives involved worth, the detectives involved in this case, because they have painstaking ingly put together an absolute mountain of evidence that, as we heard , took seven that, as we heard, took seven months to be told through the trial. and then of course, the prosecutors present did that professionally . and the crown professionally. and the crown prosecution service and the barristers also are deserving of praise . but who really needs praise. but who really needs enormous praise in all of this is the jury who for four weeks

have pored over all the evidence , having listened to it already for seven months. they really have done their public duty way above and beyond what should normally be expected . so on this normally be expected. so on this occasion , the criminal justice occasion, the criminal justice system , of which i have been system, of which i have been a stern critic on many an occasion , has actually got it right. the criminal justice system of the uk is shown in its best light today. >> it's extraordinary to look at the scale of this investigation. what started with just eight officers grew and grew until 70 officers grew and grew until 70 officers and others were working on this particular investigation instigated by cheshire police that lasted two years before the trial began . trial began. >> yes, indeed . and there will, >> yes, indeed. and there will, of course, be questions about why did the investigation not start earlier, why did the

health authority not bring it to the attention of the police many, many years back and, of course, there will be an inquiry in due course that will give us the answers to those kind of questions. and i sincerely hope that that inquiry is not yet another watered down version of somebody's convenient truth , somebody's convenient truth, where at the end of it they say , lessons have been learned . oh, , lessons have been learned. oh, yes. how many times have we learned that i would want accountable ? i hope that those accountable? i hope that those who looked the other way, those who looked the other way, those who were too cowardly to say anything and those who quite frankly did not do their job are frankly did not do theirjob are held to account and that there are suitable sanctions held against them. >> peter, the city of chester mp samantha dickson , she very much samantha dickson, she very much agrees with you. she has written to the government calling for that public inquiry. she wants it to be full and independent. she says too many people are now living with the consequences of the catastrophic harm caused by

lucy letby . lucy letby. >> oh, and i echo those words entirely for so many people, the birth of a baby is something uplift, uplifting , unforgettable uplift, uplifting, unforgettable , joyous of the kind of experience which is such a rarity and such a beautiful thing. and for this wicked , evil thing. and for this wicked, evil woman to wipe these innocent babies from the face of the earth is so horrific that it actually challenges my thinking . because on monday, when she's sentenced, she will receive a whole life term pizza. >> i'm going to have to interrupt you. we're going live now to manchester court now to manchester crown court for this press. now to manchester crown court for this press . conference for this press. conference >> emotional journey. >> emotional journey. >> all of the families involved in this case. >> i speak on behalf of the entire prosecution team when i say that all of their babies

will forever be in our hearts . will forever be in our hearts. >> i would like to thank all of the families in this case for their exceptional resilience and strength throughout this entire investigation , their composure investigation, their composure and their dignity during this trial has been truly overwhelming . overwhelming. >> the investigation into the circumstances surrounding this case started . in may 2017. since case started. in may 2017. since that time, hundreds of witnesses have been spoken by a team of dedicated detectives . many of dedicated detectives. many of those witnesses have returned to court on numerous occasions to give evidence without their honesty and their support , the honesty and their support, the families would not have received the justice that they have received today . i cannot begin

received today. i cannot begin to imagine how the families in this case feel today. i just hope that today's verdicts bring all of them some peace of mind for the future . and that we have for the future. and that we have answered some of the questions that they were looking for . that they were looking for. cheshire constabulary . we will cheshire constabulary. we will continue to support all of the families in this case in the coming days and weeks ahead . coming days and weeks ahead. there will be a period of reflection as everybody comes to terms with what they've experienced here today. i will now pass you on to my colleague from the crown prosecution service , pascale jones . thank service, pascale jones. thank you, nicole . you see, let be was you, nicole. you see, let be was entrusted to protect some of the most vulnerable babies . but most vulnerable babies. but little did those working alongside her know that there was a murderer in their midst. she did her utmost to conceal

her crimes by varying the ways in which she repeatedly harmed babies in her care . babies in her care. >> she sought to deceive her colleagues and pass off the harm she caused as nothing more than a worsening of each baby's existing vulnerability in her hands. >> innocuous substances like air milk or medication like insulin would become lethal . she her would become lethal. she her learning and weaponized her craft to inflict harm, grief and death. >> time and again, she harmed babies in an environment which should have been safe for them and their families . parents were and their families. parents were exposed to her morbid curiosity and her fake compassion to many of them , returned home to empty of them, returned home to empty baby rooms. many surviving children live with permanent consequences of her assault upon

their lives . consequences of her assault upon their lives. her consequences of her assault upon their lives . her attacks were a their lives. her attacks were a complete betrayal of the trust placed in her. >> my thoughts are with families of the victims who may never have closure, but who now have answers to questions which had troubled them for years. >> i will now hand over to my colleague janet moore from cheshire constabulary . i'm a cheshire constabulary. i'm a family liaison co—ordinator with cheshire constabulary . cheshire constabulary. >> i have been asked to read out a statement on behalf of all the families in this case. >> my words cannot effectively explain how we are feeling at this moment in time. explain how we are feeling at this moment in time . we are this moment in time. we are quite simply stunned to lose a babyis quite simply stunned to lose a baby is a heartbreaking experience , but no parent should experience, but no parent should ever have to go through what to lose a baby or to have a baby harmed in these particular circumstances is unimaginable . circumstances is unimaginable. >> over the past 7 to 8 years, we've had to go through a long,

torturous and emotional journey from losing our precious newborn and grieving their loss . and grieving their loss. >> seeing our children who survive and some of whom are still suffering today to being told years later that their death or collapse might be suspicious. >> nothing can prepare you for that news today . justice has that news today. justice has been served and a nurse who should have been caring for our babies has been found guilty of harming them . harming them. >> but this justice will not take away from the extreme hurt, anger and distress that we've all had to experience . all had to experience. >> some families did not receive the verdict that they expected , the verdict that they expected, and therefore, it is a bittersweet result. >> we are heartbroken, devastated , angry and feel numb devastated, angry and feel numb . we may never truly know why this happened . words cannot this happened. words cannot express our gratitude to the jury express our gratitude to the jury who had to sit through 104 to 5 days of gruelling evidence

which has led to today's verdict . we recognise that this has not been an easy task for them and we will forever be grateful for their patience and resilience throughout this incredibly difficult process . difficult process. >> the police investigation beganin >> the police investigation began in 2017 and we've been supported from the very beginning by a team of experienced and dedicated family liaison officers. we want to thank these officers for everything that they've done for us. >> us. >> medical experts, consultants , doctors and nursing staff have all given evidence at court , all given evidence at court, which at times has been extremely harrowing and distressing for us to listen to. >> however, we recognise the determination and commitment that each witness has shown in ensuring that the truth was told. we acknowledge that the evidence, given by each of them has been key in securing today's verdict . verdict. >> finally , we would like to >> finally, we would like to acknowledge and thank the investigation team and more

recently, the prosecution team who've led the trial to a successful conclusion. >> the search for the truth has remained at the forefront of everyone's minds , and we will everyone's minds, and we will forever be grateful for this . we forever be grateful for this. we would now ask for time in peace to process what has happened as we come to terms with today's verdict . i would now also like verdict. i would now also like to read out a statement on behalf of the team of family liaison officers who've worked as part of operation hummingbird on behalf of our team , dedicated on behalf of our team, dedicated family liaison officers . on behalf of our team, dedicated family liaison officers. i would like to thank all of the families for the immense fortitude and extreme resilience that they've shown over the years . they have acted with years. they have acted with dignity and reserve in this dunng dignity and reserve in this during a very long trial. whilst heanng during a very long trial. whilst hearing the most horrendous evidence , we are all extremely evidence, we are all extremely humbled by them. i hope that the support that we provided to all of the families has been of some comfort to them. during an incredibly difficult period . we

incredibly difficult period. we have worked closely alongside his majesty's court service to ensure that the families have been able to watch court proceedings in manchester as well as remotely over the past ten months. this has assisted them greatly in being able to view the trial with more ease . view the trial with more ease. we would like to thank court staff for all their help with this . whilst today's verdict this. whilst today's verdict combined all means relieved the suffering that families have gone through and are still going through, we hope that will bring them some comfort. our thoughts remain with you all. thank you . remain with you all. thank you. thank you. >> thank you . >> thank you. >> thank you. >> well, that was a police press conference just given on behalf of cheshire constabulary to the news that nurse or former nurse lucy letby has been found guilty at manchester crown court of guilty of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six others. jurors at that trial sat

through . 145 days of evidence through. 145 days of evidence and lucy letby is now the uk's most prolific killer of babies in modern times. she's due to be sentenced on monday morning. the statement was read out by police officers and a statement was read out on behalf of bereaved families . read out on behalf of bereaved families. they read out on behalf of bereaved families . they say that they are families. they say that they are heartbroken, devastated , angry heartbroken, devastated, angry and numb when they consider the crimes of killer lucy letby, who took their babies away from them. and interestingly , what we them. and interestingly, what we haven't touched upon in any great detail so far, but what was said was that these families are looking after children who are looking after children who are now who were babies. they're now 6 or 7 years old. they survived , but they are still survived, but they are still suffering today because lucy letby was found guilty of attempting to murder six babies. so they survive and they are still suffering today. >> that's right. we've been

heanng >> that's right. we've been hearing from dci nicola evans from pascal jones of the crown prosecution service, and from janet moore of cheshire constabulary, the liaison officer for those families who said that lucy letby weapon used her craft , turning her training her craft, turning her training against those who were placed in her care corridor . her care corridor. >> sophie reaper was listening to that press conference. such a powerful statement from the bereaved families. sophie so, so unbelievably hard for them. these last few years . these last few years. >> it's completely harrowing. all three of those statements that we just heard. so let's just unpack them a little bit. we heard there from nicola evans, who of course has previously spoken to the press about operation hummingbird. she said there she thanked the families for their strength . of families for their strength. of course, this has been a huge

undertaking for cheshire constabulary , but it's also been constabulary, but it's also been incredibly hard on those families to hear day after day exactly the treatment that lucy letby gave to their children. we then heard, as you say, there from cps and a particularly poignant quote that i'll just reread out there in her hands, innocuous substances like air, milk, fluids or medication like insulin would become lethal . she insulin would become lethal. she her, learning and weaponized her craft to inflict harm. grief and death. of course, we now know she was guilty of seven murders between june of 2015 and june of 2016. we then heard from that family liaison coordinator. of course, all of the families involved in this case have had an incredibly hard time , and an incredibly hard time, and cheshire constabulary have made it really quite a priority to make sure that that support has beenin make sure that that support has been in place. she she the family liaison coordinator, said

that when she read that statement from the families that they can't effective explain how they're feeling at this moment in time. they described it as a heartbreaking experience that no parent should ever have to go through, describing it as a long, torturous and emotional journey. of course , this trial journey. of course, this trial began beginning here at manchester crown court back in october of last year, ten months ago, the jury first began to hear evidence here at manchester crown court and the families , crown court and the families, whether they were here or whether they were here or whether they were a family annexe in chester, they've answered here the graphic details of not only what their child experienced, but now that we know that lucy letby was the person behind them experiencing , of course, one of the most important things that was said in that family statement was that some families did not receive the result they expected . and it's therefore bittersweet

. six of the counts on that 22 count indictment were a hung jury , count indictment were a hung jury , meaning they were unable jury, meaning they were unable to come to a decision one way or another. and that means the families, they don't have an answer to of two of the counts were also found not guilty . that were also found not guilty. that was one count of attempting to murder child and one count of attempting to murder child h. lucy letby was found not guilty of those counts, but i think the takeaway from those statements, the thing that most people at home watching, will take away from it is the fact that they say that they feel now that justice has been served . lucy justice has been served. lucy letby, who carried out seven murders and seven attempted murders and seven attempted murders of six babies, of course, one of the babies she attempted to murder on two different occasions . that woman, different occasions. that woman, that former nurse who was entrusted to take care of babies at the countess of chester

hospital . she will now be known hospital. she will now be known forevermore as the most prolific serial killer of children in modern british history . modern british history. >> sophie, thank you so much for bringing us that and for standing there at that press conference. views on the scene, also listening to the press conference was the former met detective peter blakesley . and detective peter blakesley. and peter, apologies for interrupting you there to take us to that press conference. first of all, your reaction to what was said , the most powerful what was said, the most powerful words that came out of those three statements that we heard for me was dignity. >> when people spoke about the dignity that the victims parents, carers have shown throughout it. and i have nothing but the utmost respect for those people who, in the midst of their deepest, darkest on going grief because it is the victim's parents that will have a life sentence. they will simply never get over what

happened to their babies and yet they find it within themselves to carry themselves with dignity. what remains wonderful people . they must be for the officers. >> peter investigated the case. they had to turn up at the homes of families, families who had lost babies, who were already grieving for their loss . they're grieving for their loss. they're trying to deal with that. and then officers have to tell them that someone who is supposed to be caring for their little one could now be responsible for their deaths. i mean, how hard must it be for officers to deliver that information to grieving families ? grieving families? >> yes. well we heard thanks being given to family liaison officers on behalf of the victims parents. and i'm sure the family liaison officers will very much appreciate those clearly heartfelt words. it is a job for a particular kind of police officer to liaise with

families. they develop a particular type of skills . and particular type of skills. and of course, they have very specialised training . not every specialised training. not every cop is cut out for that kind of work. i certainly wasn't , but work. i certainly wasn't, but fortunately many are. and of course that relationship goes way beyond the breaking of bad news. it keeps they keep people updated throughout. and in this in incredibly long trial of seven months of evidence and a month of deliberations , the month of deliberations, the contacts will have been frequent , regular, often . and so , regular, often. and so a relationship is built up. i'm just hoping that now there's some crumbs of justice, of comfort there. now for the victims parents that the support will be ongoing, as we heard and i am not in favour of capital punishment. i'm really not. but people like this wicked,

abominable creature, letby really make me challenge my thinking . and i would suspect thinking. and i would suspect that there will be others listening to this. ghastly but welcome news that would actually like to see her with a rope around her neck. but that, of course, will simply not happen . course, will simply not happen. >> colvin yeah, i think that will be the view of many people that's reflecting the thoughts and perhaps the emotional response of many people finding out the details of this case. perhaps for the first time. it was striking to hear that there were 145 days of gruelling evidence. is that simply a function of how many babies were killed, how complex this case was, or is there something else behind how long this case took ? behind how long this case took? >> well, in a case like this, with so many charges on the indictment, there were 22 counts on the indictment . so you can on the indictment. so you can imagine that each and every case has to be gone through very

carefully with the evidence in individually presented to support each counts on the indictment and as each case progresses through the court , it progresses through the court, it is almost normal for legal matters to arise which barristers want to discuss with a judge without the jury being present . for example, so often present. for example, so often the jury have to come in and out of the court time and time again when matters of law, which are not for their ears, are discussed . so it comes as no discussed. so it comes as no surprise to me that this trial took so long. but it is it is just so astonishing that the jury just so astonishing that the jury that the prosecutors and that the police did such a remarkable job. it is truly, truly outstanding. and i think for once, we should be very grateful that the work has been conducted so professionally

without , of course, taking our without, of course, taking our eye off the ball that these matters will need to be looked into by an independent inquiry to see exactly what went wrong . to see exactly what went wrong. way back in 2015, 2016, for example . but let's not take our example. but let's not take our eye off the ball today, lou . eye off the ball today, lou. lucy letby is wicked evil, almost beyond compare . and almost beyond compare. and unfortunately, she will never taste freedom again . when former taste freedom again. when former met detective peter bletchley , met detective peter bletchley, thank you for your thoughts here on gb news. >> if you are just joining us, a reminder of our breaking news after a trial lasting more than ten months, the jury in the lucy letby trial have delivered their verdict. they have found the former nurse guilty of the murder and attempted murder of babies while she was working on the neonatal unit at the countess of chester hospital. she is now the most prolific killer of babies in modern times here in the uk northwest of

england. reporter sophie reaper has this report . has this report. >> how loosely is this the most horrific crime possible? >> the murder of a baby back in 2018? lucy letby was arrested on suspicion of just that . suspicion of just that. >> did you have any concerns that there was a rise in the mortality rate ? yes. okay. so mortality rate? yes. okay. so tell me about that. what concerns did you have . i think concerns did you have. i think we don't just notice as a team in general, the nurses strike that this was a rise compared to previous years. >> new parents here at the countess of chester hospital put their trust in the staff on its neonatal unit that was only to find out later that one of the nurses was a killer. as the number of incidents on the unit began to rise , so did the began to rise, so did the suspicions of lucy letby colleagues . this ultimately

colleagues. this ultimately prompted an investigation by cheshire cancer to try and provide some answers for the heartbroken families involved. >> i think it's hard to imagine what the families are going through. i think she used a cover of trust that she'd gained the trust of parents, the trust of her colleagues and her friends to commit these crimes in such an unimaginable way. >> in october of last year, lucy letby trial began as the former nurse faced charges of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder a further ten. a jury at manchester crown court sat week after week, month after month, heanng after week, month after month, hearing details about each of the babies involved from child a all the way through to child. q lucy letby watched on from the dock as the court was shown

images from her home and hospital rotas which identify her as the only person working at the time of every single incident . the evidence also incident. the evidence also included a series of handwritten notes found amongst the former nurse's belongings on one of which she'd written things like , i killed them on purpose because i'm not good enough. and i am evil. i did this then almost eight months after the trial began , the defendant took trial began, the defendant took to the stand for the very first time. she maintained , and her time. she maintained, and her innocence throughout , telling innocence throughout, telling the court she'd been devastated by the accusations . she said, i by the accusations. she said, i only ever did my best to care for them , but ultimately her for them, but ultimately her defence wasn't enough for the jury defence wasn't enough for the jury and the nurse once trusted to care for defenceless babies was found guilty of murder. sophie reaper gb news. i'll

reminder there of what has transpired over the last nine months, ten months. >> well, mike neville , the >> well, mike neville, the former met detective chief inspector, joins us now in the studio. mike, good to see you. albeit in such horrific circumstances as your reaction to this police investigation that lasted two years, growing from initially eight people to 70 individuals working on this case? >> well, i've got to congratulate cheshire constabulary. >> i think they've done a very good investigation here in very complex circumstances , as many complex circumstances, as many of those babies would have been very premature. there would have been suffering from all sorts of medical conditions. and so it would have been very easy to say they've of natural causes they've died of natural causes and the medical profession, professionals did the post—mortems. and i gathered all that complex evidence that's been presented, you know, to trial lasted so long because of the complexity of this evidence. so you know, of course, my

condolences to the parents is paramount. but i really think the police here have done an excellent job. i think what the hospital have got to look into is how this go on. how was it these patterns not spotted and there's even reports in the media about colleagues saying when the bells went off because there's an emergency, they were saying, oh, is lucy on night duty? so colleagues obviously suspected something . suspected something. >> we are just hearing actually that a press conference at the hospital is due to start very shortly. we will, of course, update people with that . lucy update people with that. lucy letby, she was arrested initially. she was questioned . initially. she was questioned. then she was released on bail. then she was released on bail. then she was arrested again. that gives us an insight into how complex it is, but also how perhaps calculating a woman she is. we call her a woman. i mean, she's a she's a killer. she's a murderer. but she was able to give this impression of being a good nurse .

good nurse. >> yeah, absolutely. even used in public. even worse, they used in public. even worse, they used in publicity campaigns by the hospital to say how wonderful she is. that's the that's the aura that she gave off this wonderful , aura that she gave off this wonderful, caring person, aura that she gave off this wonderful , caring person, pretty wonderful, caring person, pretty girl . so the people are using girl. so the people are using her in the using in the media. but that a wickedness. but behind that a wickedness. where did that wickedness come from and was that wickedness in her, become a nurse her, did she become a nurse because she she she could because she she knew she could use her evil powers did it use her evil powers or did it somehow come on. once became somehow come on. once she became a nurse and she saw the opportunities of these seriously ill that she could kill ill children that she could kill and seriously injured, there were growing calls. >> now for a public inquiry into what on earth has happened here. is that something that you would back? >>i back? >> i absolutely would back that because we've had again, doctors have come forward and said they made their concerns known to the authorities and were basically silent. so the nhs has got to look at why. how did that how does that happen that somebody , does that happen that somebody, a professional, can come forward and nothing happen and probably be allowed to carry on killing

children. that's just appalling i >> -- >> it does show the perhaps halo around those who we play as individuals close to us in the care of. and it does show perhaps a blind spot that many people might have for people in certain professions. how best as a society do we move on from that? how best do we look past that? how best do we look past that perhaps innate trust, which is well placed in the vast majority of cases ? it's a very majority of cases? it's a very difficult line to walk . difficult line to walk. >> it is. i mean, look at shipman. there was actually people coming forward and criticising for criticising the police for arresting and saying arresting him and saying what a wonderful gp was. you know, we've the case of beverley we've had the case of beverley allitt also found guilty of allitt was also found guilty of 13 murder orders or seriously injuring children . and how do we injuring children. and how do we move on from it? well, we've got to be assured, i think, that if pattern starts to emerge , then pattern starts to emerge, then there's a very quick investigation . it seemingly investigation. it seemingly takes too long. colleagues are

often reticent to report somebody, particularly in the medical world, because you assume that everybody wants to be like you and help everybody. but somehow we've got to be sure that the professionals will spot patterns and report matters if they think colleagues have done something wrong. we've got to be sure of that. as the public. >> okay. mike neville, former met detective chief inspector. thank for talking to us this thank you for talking to us this afternoon . afternoon. >> well, joining us now is the former solicitor for rose west, leo gately. leo this is an extraordinary case, but i suppose one that does echo murders in history. we've been talking a lot about the most prolific child murderers in british history. at one point, rose west was considered to have that accolade . do you see that accolade. do you see similarities in this case?

>> i'm not sure if there are similarities. >> both , of course, are prolific i >> -- >> um,i emma humm hum >> um , i think that . the most >> um, i think that. the most concerning thing about the letby case is the breach of trust , the case is the breach of trust, the abominable breach of trust by her. >> because of the special position she was in. >> this was a neonatal ward for the most vulnerable human beings. >> um , alive children born >> um, alive children born prematurely , children with illnesses. >> this should have been the place where they had the best chance to live and they were so cruelly taken. take it away. >> um. you know, my feelings are for the sadness and despair of the parents and families. >> i think it's dreadful . um, >> i think it's dreadful. um, with rose west, there was betrayal by her and fred in that they did offer tea and sympathy to many of victims , um, to many of their victims, um, where they were running away from difficult situations and

children , children's homes and children, children's homes and then they would of course abuse them for their sexual gratification . and those young gratification. and those young teenage girls would end up murdered . but, um teenage girls would end up murdered. but, um , i just think murdered. but, um, ijust think that the wickedness is , um , more that the wickedness is, um, more insidious and, um , it's insidious and, um, it's something you just. >> you don't really want to believe that this can be really the way it is . the way it is. >> um, i think lucy letby had a strong defence. from what i can gather . no strong defence. from what i can gather. no one can be sure of what the evidence is and precisely how strong the arguments are. unless you're in court . and, of course, this was court. and, of course, this was a very lengthy trial. um so you just hope that hope against hope that this can't be true. >> so it is it is most distressing . distressing. >> very distressing. >> very distressing. >> um, that this could happen. i think these kind of wicked aberrant , um

think these kind of wicked aberrant, um , think these kind of wicked aberrant , um , situations are aberrant, um, situations are very, very rare. i think fred and rose west were very aware , and rose west were very aware, very rare , and i think even more very rare, and i think even more rare would be the prospect of a an evil enterprise within a hospital with such innocent victim. >> leah what do you think it is about the psyche of these women who kill kill repeatedly , who who kill kill repeatedly, who was so cool and calm on the surface , but evil and surface, but evil and calculating underneath ? calculating underneath? >> i'm not sure if you can draw some common denominator. i think in rose west's case, she was, um, a very damaged person from an early age. >> she had suffered a lot of abuse. >> um , she and fred west

>> um, she and fred west dovetailed fred west had been abused and had already been a killer before he met rose west. >> um , and i think rose west had >> um, and i think rose west had this extreme , contained extreme this extreme, contained extreme violence that she would unleash, um , and of course there was the um, and of course there was the sexual dimension , which was sexual dimension, which was certainly promoted by fred west with lucy letby . with lucy letby. >> it's much more difficult to fathom what on earth, what on earth motivated that motive doesn't matter. >> the jury have found a guilty of seven murders and seven attempted murders . um, of seven murders and seven attempted murders. um, but as for her psyche , as for what for her psyche, as for what prompted this , i don't know prompted this, i don't know enough about lucy . enough about lucy. >> let me just say there must be something that in her life that somehow was a trigger for this, but i don't know . but i don't know. >> and presumably , hopefully the >> and presumably, hopefully the

authorities . will want to try authorities. will want to try and understand her during what is likely to be a very long, probably whole life incarceration . incarceration. >> now, lucy letby maintains her innocence through the course of this trial, she pled not guilty , although for the last few days of this trial , she did not turn of this trial, she did not turn up to sit in the dock. she avoided looking at the victims families in the eye. why might that have been ? um . that have been? um. oh, i believe they might have lost leah, the former solicitor for rose west. >> it's interesting talking about the background of lucy letby. we're hearing that rose west was a very damaged woman, but actually lucy letby seemed to have a very regular

upbringing. she was from hereford . she lived with her hereford. she lived with her parents. her parents were actually in court watching the trial from the public gallery. she attended a local school. she went to sixth form college. she told jurors in court that she'd always wanted to work with children. you know, she had a very average upbringing. doesn't seem to appear to be the damaged upbringing that other prolific killers have had. and yet liverpool women's nhs foundation trust have now launched an investigation into the hospital where lucy letby had her training placements , trying to training placements, trying to find out if there were any clues at the start of her career as a nurse. >> and i wonder if as time goes on we might hear some more clues perhaps about her childhood, perhaps about her childhood, perhaps about her childhood, perhaps about how she might have been different, growing up, although maybe not. maybe there's something just clicked there. it's incredibly difficult to know. >> and we heard there from the police family liaison officer dunng police family liaison officer

during that press conference a few minutes saying that for few minutes ago saying that for some of the families , they will some of the families, they will never know why why it happened to their babies, to their precious ones, talking about how heartbroken, devastated and angry they are , the families of angry they are, the families of the victims seems absolutely stunned by what has happened, saying that to lose a baby or to have a baby harmed in these sorts of circumstances by a woman. and remember, these are babies that could fit into the palm of her hand. they were vulnerable . they were sick. and vulnerable. they were sick. and she was caring for them and for them to be killed in those circumstances , they cannot circumstances, they cannot understand get their head around it. it's so unspeakably evil to think of some little child who was so defenceless. >> there is nothing they could do to protect themselves and the evil that must have been within the heart and the mind of lucy letby as she killed them. but

perhaps the most concerning thing about what we've learned today is those six counts where there were a hung, today is those six counts where there were a hung , where there there were a hung, where there was a hung jury, those six individuals who died, who the jury individuals who died, who the jury could not decide if they were killed or if they died of natural causes. that must be torturous for those families. >> absolutely . we cannot imagine >> absolutely. we cannot imagine it if it hasn't happened to us. but detective superintendent paul hughes of cheshire police has spoken about the investigation and says he can't yet rule out lucy letby involved in more deaths. let's take a listen at the time, in june 20th, 2018, which is when i declared suspect status and criminality and brought the parents and told them at this time, this is what we believe. >> and the only way to move the investigation forward was to arrest lucy letby. >> and the reason for that was primarily that she we could put

her at the scene of all the collapses and deaths. and therefore she was the constant and being the constant, she was our biggest source of information , if you take it in information, if you take it in its truest sense. >> so being the biggest source of our evidence , we want to of our evidence, we want to speak her and she needs the speak to her and she needs the rights of a suspect . rights of a suspect. >> so only do that >> so the only way to do that was arrest and to search was under arrest and to search her to see if there's her property to see if there's anything take us anything that would take us towards from towards or away from that thought that took place i >> -- >> and the we'll continue to turn,if >> and the we'll continue to turn, if you like, and lucy letby was was cooperative . letby was was cooperative. >> she told us her version of events , but she didn't take it events, but she didn't take it any further. she was very clinical and without remorse or empathy or or or thought process around what it was, we would be foolish if we were to think that we have gathered all cases that lucy letby could have touched in

one go. you know, we are proud of our investigation, but we're not that good to say we've got everything in one go. so we're committed to doing a an overarching investigation, looking at every single baby's admission into neonatal unit and for the entire footprint that lucy letby has been employed , lucy letby has been employed, which is over 4000 babies across both the liverpool women's hospital and the countess chester, the results at court, i don't think would close things enough for them as parents and certainly from knowing them and speaking to them, that is a question would love to know question they would love to know and why they not only and we know why they not only why did she do it, but why did she children ? and she choose their children? and unfortunately, i think unless lucy letby decides to tell us that , i lucy letby decides to tell us that, i don't think we'll ever know . know. >> that's astonishing, isn't it 7 >> that's astonishing, isn't it ? detective superintendent paul hughes police hughes of cheshire police speaking there. the investigation is not over. they are looking into the deaths of

some 4000 babies, babies that were in the hospitals that killer, lucy letby worked at mike. still, much more might . mike. still, much more might. neville is still with us, former detective chief inspector for the met. still much more work for detectives to do. >> absolutely. and painstaking work as well. many of those babies have been buried and other bodies don't exist anymore. so that's all they'll have to go through is different notes . and speaking to medical notes. and speaking to medical professionals who perhaps retired and they'll have to find them and so this is a lot of work, but it's good to see that cheshire police are doing that because that will bring reassurance because there have been many, many other parents whose children died in hospitals in the north—west thinking was lost to that baby. who was that nurse who i never spoke to who was on the night duty when my little baby died . and so lots of little baby died. and so lots of parents will be concerned about that. and i just think that the cheshire police are assuring people they're going to people that they're going to look everything and i think

look into everything and i think people realistic as well. people are realistic as well. they know difficult this they know how difficult this investigation will be. but i think they'll be reassured that the detectives superintendent is doing does seem quite doing that. it does seem quite precise that this investigation that led to this trial lasted from well, was covering the penod from well, was covering the period from june 2015 to june 2016. >> it might be quite hard for some people to believe that this mass killer only operate precisely within a 12 month window. perhaps there is good reason for the police to think that there were other deaths on top of those that have been found today. absolutely >> there's other reasons. but what you find, if you look at the with beverley the parallel with beverley allitt she also allitt, though, she was also a very even smaller time scale. so the police will know there'll be all sorts of efforts , i imagine, all sorts of efforts, i imagine, with psychologists to try and interview lucia letby to find out why and get us extra clues as to let's check back. but what was the trigger point for that? and i say sometimes these people operate happens, and operate something happens, and then there's small time then there's this small time period, but there'll be so many

parents that children die in these in these wars because they're very ill or very premature. but they'll want every reassurance that their child wasn't murdered . child wasn't murdered. >> mike neville, thank you for the moment. just some more reaction coming in this time from the parliamentary and health service ombudsman calling for significant improvements to culture and leadership across the nhs in the wake of lucy levy's conviction . on branding levy's conviction. on branding it one of the darkest crimes ever committed in our health service. >> absolutely harrowing. let's get more now from sophie reaper , who joins us live from outside manchester crown court. sophie, of course , you have been of course, you have been following this trial for a long, long time . it has. it must have long time. it has. it must have been the most astonishing atmosphere , particularly on the atmosphere, particularly on the days when lucy letby was in court herself . court herself. >> absolutely. of course, this trial has been going on now

since october of last year . over since october of last year. over ten months ago. absolutely unprecedented in our legal system for trial really to ever go for on this long. the atmosphere in the room has fluctuate as the days have gone on. of course, there have been days, like you say, when lucy letby herself took to the stands that have been particularly tense. there were days where she became too emotional and that facade that we've seen of her as she sat in the dock , hearing all she sat in the dock, hearing all of the evidence throughout this trial, she's been calm , she's trial, she's been calm, she's been cool. she's been collected . but there were those days when she was giving evidence in the dock that we did see the facade slip. we did see some tears and there was even one occasion where proceedings had to stop for the day because things just became too much for the defendant of course, we're at a point now where she's actually

refusing to come up to the dock at all throughout the process of verdicts being delivered that first day, we saw real waterworks from lucy as she found out she'd been found guilty of two attempts, murders and then the next time we saw her was the delivery of verdicts in including for murders. but throughout those, she seemed stony faced. she didn't really have any reaction . perhaps at have any reaction. perhaps at that point she was resigned to her fate. her mother , on the her fate. her mother, on the other hand, though, was just completely inconsolable . and completely inconsolable. and from that point on, we haven't really seen the defendant again, evenin really seen the defendant again, even in a morning when the judge would be sending the jury out to recommence their deliberations as lucy letby would refuse to come to the dock. now that in itself is a highly controversial decision, because what it means is that on that sentencing on monday, we won't most likely see

lucy letby. she won't be there to face the families of her victims. those seven babies who we now know she's been found guilty of murdering and this is an issue that has become highly prevalent in court. several cases over the years. thomas cashman, jordan mcsweeney , of cashman, jordan mcsweeney, of course, the murderer of zara, lena , they both refused to come lena, they both refused to come to court to come to the dock, sorry to face their sentencing. and it seems now we'll have the same issue with lucy letby . same issue with lucy letby. >> sophie, thank you . do stay >> sophie, thank you. do stay with us for more reaction here on gb news. lucy letby the uk's most prolific child killer of modern times . she is sentenced modern times. she is sentenced on monday . stay with us. on monday. stay with us. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern

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where weather . weather. >> good afternoon is 3:00 pm is patrick christys is gb news. and today lucy letby became the worst child serial killer in british history , found guilty of british history, found guilty of the murders of seven babies and the murders of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others. but it opens up a whole host of questions and we'll go through them one by one throughout the course of this show. this how show. how did this happen? how was for on so was it allowed to go for on so long the warnings? >> another big question, of course , is this one really is course, is this one really is that the face of evil? >> does evil exist? it's hard to imagine any worse crimes. >> and then it poses this question as well. is it time to bnng question as well. is it time to bring back the death penalty for crimes heinous this? crimes as heinous as this? will any sentence ever be enough for justice? >> and this is a concerning one. could there be more victims? an ongoing investigation into another hospital where lucy letby worked before she was unleashed to prowl the wards at

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