good evening. here we are, together again for nearly all of our lives on gb news tv and on radio. tonight on the show, i'll be discussing the concept of 15 minute cities, a good idea or unnecessary meddling in our lives. we'll try to answer that with a series of experts . we'll with a series of experts. we'll be asking why some media outlets are able to peddle what could be considered misinformation. and it's completely overlooked by ofcom. while others are scrutinised more closely, this week's great britain is a 74 year old pensioner who's going to cycle from edinburgh to oxford to raise money for the charity, give a kidney , having

charity, give a kidney, having already donated one of his own. all of that and more, plus plenty of conversation with my brilliant panel. emma webb and jacob reynolds. but first, an update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez . neal, thank you tatiana sanchez. neal, thank you very much. and good evening . very much. and good evening. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the bbc has apologised , pleased and says it's working hard to resolve the situation after experiencing a mass boycott by its sports presenters. it comes after gary lineker was forced to step back from match of the day over a tweet criticising the government's migration policy . government's migration policy. the show will go ahead this evening, but alan shearer and ian wright of both backed down. that will focus and final score being cancelled as well . after being cancelled as well. after alex and jason mohammed alex scott and jason mohammed said they won't appear. bbc scotland's coverage this evening has also been affected. they said in a statement that sport seen will run an amended format similar to that of match of the

day. leader sir keir day. labour leader sir keir starmer says corporation is starmer says the corporation is in wrong. the bbc is not in the wrong. the bbc is not acting impartially by caving in to tory mp , so complaining about to tory mp, so complaining about gary lineker . they've got this gary lineker. they've got this one badly wrong and now they're very, very exposed as is the government, because at the heart of this is the government's failure on the asylum system. and rather than take responsibility for the mess they've made , the government is they've made, the government is casting around blame anybody casting around to blame anybody else. lineker, the bbc , else. gary lineker, the bbc, civil servants, the blob . what civil servants, the blob. what they should be doing is standing up, accepting they've broken the asylum system and tell us and telling us what they're going to do fix it. not do to actually fix it. not whingeing gary lineker whingeing on about gary lineker . in other news, the chancellor has told gb news he wants britain to have the most competitive business tax rate amid calls to scrap a planned hike in corporation tax ahead of wednesday's budget. jeremy hunt spoke to esther mcvey and philip davis on his plans to deliver growth and tackle inflation. he

said the corporation tax increase from 19 to 25% would still leave the uk with a lower rate than nearly all major rivals. but he said he was committed to previous promises of bringing corporate and tax down. what we now have is a responsible outlook for public finances. the markets have recognised that by bringing down mortgage rates, interest rates and we're on track to bring inflation down. but if you're saying to me as a conservative chancellor, do i want to bring down taxes.7 well, i want to bnng down taxes.7 well, i want to bring down personal taxes because that is at the heart of what being a conservative is. but i want to bring down business taxes, even more . west business taxes, even more. west midlands police have said a man has been stabbed to death at a nightclub in walsall. officers were called to felicia's nightclub in the town centre just after 5:00 this morning after receiving reports that someone had been stabbed . the someone had been stabbed. the man was pronounced dead around an hour later at the scene while

being taken to hospital . being taken to hospital. officers say no arrests have been made yet. they are urging anyone who was in the nightclub at the time to come forward with information . junior doctors have information. junior doctors have said they've been left with no choice but to strike on monday after the health secretary failed to attend talks on friday. it comes after steve barclay said he wanted them to call off the three day walkout and negotiate . nearly 40,000 and negotiate. nearly 40,000 junior doctors belonging to the british medical association voted to take industrial action . they are demanding a 35% pay rise and warned future strikes could last longer than 72 hours . a man has been arrested under the terrorism act after the new ira claimed responsibility for the shooting of detective chief inspector john caldwell. it follows the search of a property in the londonderry area. police say the 25 year old were also being questioned over a hoax security alert earlier . a typed security alert earlier. a typed

message was posted on a wall in derry claiming responsible for mr. caldwell's attempted murder. he remains critically ill in hospital after being shot several times in omagh . silicon several times in omagh. silicon valley bank uk says it's going into insolvency from tomorrow evening. it comes after its parent company in the us was put under us government control while becoming the biggest failure of us bank since the 2008 financial crisis . both the 2008 financial crisis. both the chancellor and the governor of the bank of england have spoken together about the collapse. the government says it has been speaking to affected customers and tom hanks has been named worst support actor at the razzie awards . the warning for razzie awards. the warning for those watching on tv. the following contains flashing images . the oscar winning actor images. the oscar winning actor was chosen for his depiction of colonel tom parker in the movie elvis. his portrayal of presley's former manager was described by judges as cruel, and they also slammed his character's latex face. the

awards on a poor performances in hollywood movies under hailed a day before the oscars on sunday tv online and tv plus radio. this is gb news now was over to . neil brace yourselves for the latest from la la land . it's the oscars from la la land. it's the oscars this weekend. another institution i used to care about institution i used to care about in the world of before . but for in the world of before. but for those who feel like we've been trapped for the past three years, watching a bad movie with an unbelievable script full of gaping holes and bad gaping plot holes and bad actors, i can tell you at least reached a good bit . not the end reached a good bit. not the end by any means , but perhaps a by any means, but perhaps a foretaste of comeuppance yet to be. after the opening sequence , be. after the opening sequence, the introduction of the characters establishing who to be, the goodies and baddies after the set up, and then the

jeopardy and the darkness when all seems lost. we've got to one of those bits the audience of those bits where the audience leans their seats and leans forward in their seats and expects some payback. however expects of some payback. however slight brief , slight and however brief, anything to lift the mood . i anything to lift the mood. i knew we'd reached a good bit when i started hearing people talk about unlimited out. talk about unlimited hang out. if noticed that ten minute if you noticed that ten minute limited hangout is more jargon. of course, spy talk, this time from the cia and the rest of the secret squirrels for what baddies try and do when they know. as we see in scotland, that the games are buggy. the games are buggy means the game is up and those fraudsters and tricksters and overacting villains inside the hollowed out volcanoes they might volcanoes realise they might well have been rumbled. and so start reaching for the back up plan limited hangout is a short plan. limited hangout is a short term fix when the body's realised the trousers are starting to fall down the not quite around their ankles but some is definitely exposed some stuff is definitely exposed and so those chancers are forced into buying some time while they try pull themselves back try to pull themselves back together and keep going without falling completely. what falling over completely. what we've this past week

we've been handed this past week or so, all the high excitement, newspaper revelations are obviously the bodies regard as the least damaging truth about what they've been up to. mere tidbits, really embarrassing , tidbits, really embarrassing, but still the least of it. what's been made visible to us now on account of the baddies zips being down is therefore a limited hangout. i'll come back to the movie analogy in a minute, but let me digress. billionaire financier warren buffett is credited with seeing that it's when the tide goes out that it's when the tide goes out that you get to see who's been swimming naked in the truth. well, the tide is quite far out. no, not all the way, but already we can see plenty of baseball teams. we see rishi sunak and bofis teams. we see rishi sunak and boris johnson and keir starmer. we see you mainstream media loudmouths and the rest of the ringleaders in politics and elsewhere making a run for the sand dunes with your bits out, we see you. you can bleat. and why you know you want a hard you in the last three years how much pressure you were under trying to keep with an evolving to keep up with an evolving

situation you said what you situation but you said what you said and you did what you did. and so it was wrong and and so much of it was wrong and lies and caused incalculable harm to millions . what we're harm to millions. what we're going to see now , even in the going to see now, even in the midst of the so—called limited hindsight, is what we've known all along. and that's the way the does . in the end, what the truth does. in the end, what the truth does. in the end, what the always does , which is the truth always does, which is to see the truth comes out. there's a line out there on there's been a line out there on social media from the beginning , which has which has it, , a meme which has which has it, that truth is like a lie and that the truth is like a lie and the like the lion needs no the truth like the lion needs no protect. and that's required protect. and all that's required is for the of truth to be is for the line of truth to be set from its cage. and then set free from its cage. and then that lion takes care itself . that lion takes care of itself. the truth has a partner along for the ride, and that part of its trust. you can't have the one without the other . what our one without the other. what our so—called leaders in the henchman, in the media did over the past three years was abuse. our to the point where our trust to the point where it's no as i've said it's gone. no as i've said before, trust is like a fragile vase. if you break it, you might managed to glue it back together, you'd never again together, but you'd never again dream water dream of putting water and

flowers it . dream of putting water and flowers it. i started dream of putting water and flowers it . i started by flowers in it. i started by talking about the movies , and talking about the movies, and movies all about stories . an movies are all about stories. an old story is the boy who cried wolf. and we've all had it and we all remember it because it's true. it reminds us of what happens when foolish people sound the alarm without good reason , out desire to reason, out of a desire to attract attention and to further their own ends. foolish, dangerous people cry wolf when there is no wolf . everyone there is no wolf. everyone around them is briefly alarmed, fearing for the lives . but fearing for the lives. but sooner or later they realise they have been hard . one day, of they have been hard. one day, of course, a wolf comes a real wolf, and we're not seen a fool cries wolf again. no one comes to help. the fool is eaten by the wolf. and why.7 because they lied and lied again . and until lied and lied again. and until the people who may have helped them had no reason to believe them, far less trust them. boris johnson pitched nonsense about the danger of covid. so did rishi sunak. so did michael gove. silly. jeremy hunt . so did gove. silly. jeremy hunt. so did keir starmer. and scores of others. the pitched nonsense

about how to handle it as well. nonsense about scotch, eggs and stickers, denials of supermarkets and handwashing face masks and social distancing and the rule of they pushed and the rule of six. they pushed nonsense when they knew it was nonsense when they knew it was nonsense . well, they partied nonsense. well, they partied together, together and together, drank together and danced together laughed up danced together and laughed up their but what their sleeves together. but what a mugs were. they a bunch of mugs we were. they cried wolf. let us talk about fishing more and more and jobs. next time for tuberculosis and smallpox . and diphtheria and the smallpox. and diphtheria and the rest. but what happens when billions of people have no trust? whatever. and that science and those products from big pharma, what happens when the trust is gone ? more and more the trust is gone? more and more people around the world have stopped listening to scientists , stopped trusting scientists. they've also stopped listening to the cries of wolf. if a real wolf comes in the future and there are more wolves out there than just invisible viruses, millions of people will refuse to listen to the alarm and know that the trust is gone for so many people. more and more questioning everything else they've been told by the same

characters about what's going on in the world. more and more people look at the lies and manipulative propaganda that they were fed for the past three years about one thing and rightly wonder if they are actually being told the truth about anything about the about anything else, about the war in ukraine, about the climate , about immigration, climate, about immigration, about the european union, about food shortages , about what's food shortages, about what's being done to farmers all over the world, about the real motivation behind the push for electric vehicles, about the imposition of 15 minute cities or so called leaders, knowingly talk nonsense that destroyed lives and turn society upside down and inside out . we know down and inside out. we know that the people responsible are wildly exposed and cannot convincingly deny any of it. why i ask, would anyone trust them about anything else? liars lie. it's what they do . for now, it's what they do. for now, though, that's by all means. nofice though, that's by all means. notice that it's a good bit in the movie and we might allow ourselves to enjoy it. it's like when the money grubbing lawyer in the first jurassic park movie

tries to hide in the bamboo toilet stall, only to have the t—rex him half. he's t—rex bite him in half. he's strict. their main character , strict. their main character, but he has put his own needs ahead of the helpless children in the movie. so satisfying to watch him get caught, exposed by his cowardly nature and gobbled up. this is the bit when alan rickman's body and die hard realises bruce willis is running loose with a machine gun. this is the bit when indiana jones realises the big guy only has a sword while he's got a revolver full of bullets. it's important sword while he's got a revolver fu|remembers. it's important sword while he's got a revolver fu|remember that; important sword while he's got a revolver fu|remember that the portant sword while he's got a revolver fu|remember that the movie: sword while he's got a revolver fu|remember that the movie has to remember that the movie has a way to go yet more clumsy twists for sure. more bad acting in the world of politics, which, as we are regularly informed, is only showbiz for ugly people . here's showbiz for ugly people. here's the thing. sincerely believe that though the truth is partially revealed, if we can only strength to keep only find the strength to keep pushing, the really, really pushing, then the really, really good this movie lie good bits of this movie lie ahead like the in a few good ahead like the pit in a few good men . when jack nicholson plays men. when jack nicholson plays the in the dark and tom the colonel in the dark and tom cruise is the underdog attorney, jack's not like, jack's colonel does not like, does not like one bit being

challenged by upstart tom's character about how jack chooses to jack does. jack is to do what jack does. jack is angry enough to kick a puppy through a fan when tom finally demands to hear the truth about how a young soldier died under jack's watch. jack finally loses it completely . you can't handle it completely. you can't handle the truth , he roars. and he the truth, he roars. and he evidently believes what he has just bellowed . he actually just bellowed. he actually believes that tom and the rest of the general population, like the mental circuitry, to contemplate far less to deal with what does down there in with what he does down there in the darkness, out sight . but the darkness, out of sight. but it's bit in the movie. it's the best bit in the movie. and jack is caught out and his is grass. and we know what. when you get right down to his undoing has no more undoing has been no more complicated than he has complicated than that. he has been lying. of course, been caught lying. of course, the thing we learn from the other thing we learn from watching movies it's watching movies is that it's never take your eyes off never safe to take your eyes off the adversary the first time they go down. the first time they go down. the first time they to finished . we they seem to be finished. we have sharp and ready have to stay sharp and be ready for bit. when glenn close for the bit. when glenn close his is lying quiet in his character is lying quiet in the bath and feet in attraction, eyes wide and bubbles

eyes wide open and new bubbles coming our mouth right coming out of our mouth right when think safe she'll when we think we're safe she'll sit up again with our sit back up again with our yelling her we must yelling and her knife. we must pay yelling and her knife. we must pay attention . more and more i pay attention. more and more i think disaster of think about the disaster of movies. if this isn't a man movies. and if this isn't a man made disaster living made disaster we're living through then i don't through right now, then i don't know what is. i think of it when the survivors start blinking out of smoke darkness to of the smoke and darkness to confront white house confront a ruined white house and toppled of liberty, and a toppled statue of liberty, or big ben and or a burning big ben and a flattened hq . they realise their flattened hq. they realise their survive was that what they thought mattered was in the end, just a house, just a lifeless lump of copper and steel, just a bell tower , just an office block bell tower, just an office block to survive. look around the devastation , the receding devastation, the receding floodwaters of the tsunami and realise they were kidding about stuff that didn't amount to a hill of beans . they get ready to hill of beans. they get ready to start again with all that really matters, which is people they can trust , which is each other. can trust, which is each other. if we have that, then we have all that we will need pass the popcorn . all of that's my

popcorn. all of that's my opinion , of course. and a free opinion, of course. and a free to disagree . keep the tweets and to disagree. keep the tweets and emails coming through the show. you can email gb views at gbnews.uk or you can tweet me at gbnews.uk or you can tweet me at gb news and i'll try to get to comments later in the show. joining me tonight , political joining me tonight, political commentator emma webb and jacob reynolds, the partnerships manager at the academy of ideas. welcome both. now emma , what welcome both. now emma, what about trust? where are we with trust? well, i mean, i think i think you said it very well. i think you said it very well. i think it is it is the boy who cried wolf is also that the leopard doesn't change its spots . and i think that once that trust is gone, it's very, very difficult to rebuild. and i know many, many people who are finding it difficult to discriminate between those that they can trust, those that they can wear , the threats on where can wear, the threats on where they're not. and i think that's exacerbated by the fact that if you even if you just think about

the lockdown files and the way that the mainstream media has in the round responded to these revelations, the focus has been on isabel oakeshott and there's this kind of distortion of what really matters and where the threats really are. and so i think that people really and you see this actually even post—lockdown with the sort of fracturing amongst those who were opposed to it, the people not sure who they can trust , not sure who they can trust, they're not sure whose views they're not sure whose views they should take as authoritative any more . and they authoritative any more. and they know that when they look at the mainstream media, if they when they they know they watch the bbc, they know that they're getting one of that they're getting one side of it. know that they're it. they know that they're missing on whole range of missing out on a whole range of views. but those who are putting those views forward believe, i think, sincerely believe that they are being impartial . they they are being impartial. they do believe that they are you know, that that is the legitimate truth that they're putting forward and that it's in the best, best interests of the public, that it's kind of paternalistic so paternalistic attitude. so i think people so think that people have for so long basically been infantilized

and treated like children, that there's a kind of dependency that has developed . but now that that has developed. but now that that has developed. but now that that that dependence sc has been shattered by the fact that you know, the british public have basically been left like a child without, you know, not knowing how to do this . it keeps it how to do this. it keeps it keeps moving forward. all the time. we keep on being having more and more tangled. the gary lineker story . does it strike lineker story. does it strike you as as odd in a sense that after the lockdown stories of the last couple of weeks felt like politicians just wanting to talk about each other within the political bubble , who did what political bubble, who did what and who didn't. and they were mysteriously moved on to the media bubble, who's just got an opportunity to talk about themselves. well, none of it relates to us, the people. yeah, well, i mean, i think that's right in the sense that the gary lineker story exposes the way in which the kind of media class love closing ranks around themselves and the people who, for however long you want it to

count can give a kind of count. can it give a kind of give it to us, as it were, about the actual fundamentals of free speech, about the kind of substantive issues have been on a but as soon as a differ. but instead as soon as there's kind of automatically there's i kind of automatically generate a martyr for a cause that that's when they kind of start to close ranks and as the it feels much less like a kind of principled defence amongst these various kind of commentators and sports pundits who there's a principle defence about speech and more about freedom of speech and more about freedom of speech and more a sense that they realise this is in which for the is a moment in which for the first almost there's first time almost there's a sense that, okay, you guys, you kind of run the media show, you might to start rowing back might have to start rowing back a little on how much you can a little bit on how much you can kind of condescend to us, how much you can feel that you have an licence to criticise. on an open licence to criticise. on the other one side of the debate. moment that debate. and the moment that there's hint that, they there's a hint of that, they close a kind of close ranks with a kind of tremendous of power. tremendous degree of power. yeah, it is it the yeah, it's emma. is it is it the beginning of end for the beginning of the end for the narrative we've been narrative that we've been having? you think the whole having? do you think the whole is an coming down around is an edifice coming down around something fundamental happening

or mean , i, i don't or not? well, i mean, i, i don't like to be optimistic because usually when i like it, you know . no, not like you to be optimistic either. but i, you know , i think what's been know, i think what's been interesting in the last week is the way that i think the mainstream narrative has responded to various things that gary lineker stories, one of them. another is that this david attenborough documentary i think that amongst a certain strong end of the sort of media intellectual elite, there is this sense of a sort of right wing bogeyman. the really is totally divorced from reality. and so it's no surprise, really, that with this boogie man in mind that there are no constructive or rational, reasonable conversations taking place at all because they really have demonised the other side so much that they have truly come

to believe it. and so i think that if anything , that is going that if anything, that is going to be the sort of thin end of the wedge in shattering the narrative that has been dominant for so many years now, the demonise, the people, i think i think what they've made a bogeyman out of is just the general , law bogeyman out of is just the general, law abiding, bogeyman out of is just the general , law abiding, taxpaying general, law abiding, taxpaying population . but we'll come back population. but we'll come back to it will certainly come back. and what a story later in the show. now. got a break. after which 50 minute is a viable policy or unnecessary meddling will be debating the pros and cons.

welcome back to neil oliver live now. are you in favour of town . now. are you in favour of town. planning to ensure your work your shops your education needs your shops your education needs your health care and your role within a 15 minute walk or cycle ride of your home. on the one hand, idea sounds benign, but in

british cities, including bath, canterbury , edinburgh and canterbury, edinburgh and oxford, the very idea is being actively challenged by protest . actively challenged by protest. those who feel the thin end of a dispute in totalitarian socialist wedge is aimed only to strip them of the traditional freedom. i'm joined now by alan miller from the together declaration and shortly also by nathan albert, an urban ologist from philadelphia. alan thanks for coming for. in what exactly is proposed or being pushed in oxford and the other cities. so in oxford we've had a number of different things, so they keep calling them trials. we've had low traffic neighbourhoods, they said, trials, though said, but trials, even though 65% of people who responded to the consultation said they did not them. then you've had not want them. then you've had a proposal for bus gates and bus gates. when they've put the proposal about getting too complex for the travel traffic plan for oxfordshire county council, do they intertwine that with the idea of a 20 minute neighbourhood? but basically the bus gates mean you can have 70

passes to drive if you're local, 100 passes a year, if you're 100 passes a year, but if you're not, can't. and there's not, you can't. and there's a ring road. have to go around ring road. you have to go around slightly where slightly different in bath where you of steel. they you have a ring of steel. they call it very lovely name and you have low traffic neighbourhoods as well. and we've seen in other places like in london where ealing, where they've got rid of low traffic neighbourhoods because residents have challenged a challenged it. you still have a discussion about 20 minute neighbourhood have neighbourhood and we might have some of these road closures as well. so basically they're a top down using the idea down imposition using the idea this would be a lovely liveable street, active travel. it's all about people friendly, oriented, but actually what it means is it's an attack on cars and our freedom of movement and dependence that is what it feels like because what i'm suspicious aboutis like because what i'm suspicious about is the fact that a coercive element is the first, you know , big flower boxes you know, big flower boxes blocking roads. you talk of fines for people that use the car on the wrong sort of journey. too many times in the year you'd have thought if it was a naturally utopian good for

the people initiative , people the people initiative, people would just naturally inclined towards it without having to be pushed. absolutely. well, one of the things is as well that we've seen in oxfordshire with the county council, we've seen that in the consultation and they had a report and a survey done beforehand, but they suppressed it. according freedom of it. according to freedom of information revelations that were times this week and were in the times this week and the oxford mail until after the consultation ended because apparently the councillors didn't want people to see what this would mean would contradict their very own study. a bit like what's happened with city con, it like with the ulez it sounds like with the ulez situation and i'll point it together is that why we say free our streets but also take back democracy? that the public democracy? is that the public should be the heart of town should be at the heart of town and city planning, urban planning . what need in terms planning. what we need in terms of travel, dynamic trade, infrastructure , housing, you infrastructure, housing, you know happens a local know what happens a local authority idea they would authority is the idea they would provide services, but provide decent services, but also it's not just local authorities essential government have been on the on the right and funding it, and there's some funding it, which we've been

which is why we've been campaigning, saying to mark harper his partner harper and his partner for transport, cut this transport, you need to cut this umbilical cord because this umbilical cord now because this underwriting closures underwriting of road closures undemocratically is undemocratically imposed is damaging businesses. they're being forced to close down and we've seen it on the cowley road in oxford. we've seen a middle term road, hundred years of trade and middleton road shops having close. we've that having to close. we've seen that in of areas across the in a number of areas across the uk and residents , all uk now and also residents, all types residents, what types of residents, not what they which conspiracies they say, which is conspiracies and right, but how different and far right, but how different demographic diverse , demographic diverse, multi—generational i feel being impacted in a negative way and i think that what's going to happenis think that what's going to happen is that we've seen a little more an award in oxford that many more people are going to be standing independently, going to be challenging labour won tiny clinch by 100 won it by a tiny clinch by 100 votes. they pull out all the guns. lots of people to canvass. but that was a three or four week campaign that people stood independently. and as these low traffic neighbourhoods in positions these 15 minute positions and as these 15 minute and 20 minute neighbourhoods that a technocrats that are basically a technocrats idea what we should the

idea of what we should do, the great unwashed, we should great unwashed, how we should travel travel without travel and not travel without providing any better provision in any way, we're going to see much more of a fightback and we're actually supporting people locally, to do that locally, nationally to do that alongside launching our cabinet bill with me, i've also got nick mason . i'll back bill with me, i've also got nick mason. i'll back an bill with me, i've also got nick mason . i'll back an urban mason. i'll back an urban ologist from phil adelphia on the line. nathan are you there? i'm here. thanks for having me, neal i'm here. thanks for having me, neal. no pleasure to see you. nathan, do you recognise the version of, let's see, 15 minute cities as described by allen and do you are you sympathetic towards the controversies that they have already had form around them ? yeah, absolutely. i around them? yeah, absolutely. i think you're hitting the nail on the head in terms of the problems of distrust that are arising around the concept of 15 minute cities, particularly around oxford, have to do with the fact that they came from a top down level. and i think the policies themselves weren't prescribed transparently or

coherently to the public . and i coherently to the public. and i think that's where a lot of these problems come in. and the fact is that all around the world, including parts of the us, europe , australia, all over us, europe, australia, all over the place , these ideas around the place, these ideas around new urbanism, this whole concept up to building more walkable places that aren't necessarily centred around cars. these idea has been popularised and with that obviously governments are finding ways to kind of meet people where they are in their city is. but i think to be successful in implementing these policies, you have to also work with the residents of an area. and if you don't do that in a transparent way, it's no surprise there's going to be protests . i surprise there's going to be protests. i suppose surprise there's going to be protests . i suppose the $64,000 protests. i suppose the $64,000 question for me, nathan, is why is it already coercive? you know, what we are seeing here, islands describing is rather than in all of this facilities, make sure everyone's got this idyllic world within a 50 minute walk of the home with all of the all of the stuff of life readily

accessible. it starts with talk of fines for driving your car too many times in a year and roads being blocked off. is it to pay for the betterment of people's lives or is it just to get cars off the road? yeah, i mean , i don't want to defend the mean, i don't want to defend the policies around oxford because i agree with you in the sense that they weren't really implemented with residents best interests in mind. i think there's cities all around the world, including parts of including parts of the netherland states in the us particularly cities like portland and parts of australia like melbourne, barcelona has implemented their super blocks program in recent years. all of these different places have done this from the bottom up in ways where they try all different street designs that include more complete street elements where they carve out protected bike lanes, they carve out bus lanes , they create raised crosswalk and protected sidewalks and all

these different things that kind of like organically build out from some starting end city centres that are already highly pedestrianised and that kind of organically build out from there. and i think that's where again this, this problem group top down control coming from oxford it's facing these these issues that a protest level because yeah people they don't feel like they were part of that discussion i don't i don't necessarily know the intent of the government officials locally like maybe they had seen some kind of case study and thought this was going to be the best move for them. but clearly, as we're seeing with the backlash, it's having the opposite effect . nathan albert, urban ologist from philadelphia. a push for time tonight, but thank you so much for your contribution so far. and it's a story far. and i'm sure it's a story that we can pick up again in weeks to come. thanks for just note. thanks having me, note. thanks for having me, neal note. thanks for having me, neal. you. thanks. since neal. thank you. thanks. since you've oxfordshire you've mentioned oxfordshire county council, i should go to a statement here. spokesperson statement here. a spokesperson said like to reassure said we would like to reassure people oxfordshire county

people that oxfordshire county council's policies are council's transport policies are not to confine people not designed to confine people to the local area. our transport plans in oxford are intended to address traffic address the city's traffic problem and create an environment where and environment where safer and easier to walk and easier for people to walk and cycle where public transport cycle and where public transport is more than reliable. we need a more sustainable, reliable and inclusive system that inclusive transport system that works policies are works for everyone. policies are debated and decided by oxfordshire councillors oxfordshire elected councillors using insight and using local insight and information . sounds lovely, information. sounds lovely, jacob. do you do you think they really do care about the people or are they using a velvet or are they just using a velvet glove slip in the iron hand glove to slip in the iron hand of control? kind of a of control? there's kind of a reason these policies go reason why these policies go hand the same kind hand in hand with the same kind of policies advocated by environmentalists. it's not just because of because they want to kind of reduce call and reduce reduce call use and reduce fossil going into the fossil fuels going into the atmosphere something atmosphere or something like that. they that. it's because they share with of environmentalists with lots of environmentalists a culture low expectations culture of low expectations around they think around human beings. they think that same way as that in the same way as environmentalists think lots of producing goods is producing of consumer goods is going because more is going to bad because more is kind worse. similarly i think kind of worse. similarly i think lots lots of to lots of travel, lots of going to different should be different places. you should be happy popping different places. you should be happy popping your different places. you should be happjarea. popping your different places. you should be happjarea. the popping your different places. you should be happjarea. the fact ping your different places. you should be happjarea. the fact that your different places. you should be happjarea. the fact that you�* local area. the fact that you like of a 20 minute

like the one kind of a 20 minute drive over is bad. your viewers will be very familiar with the slow, wet slogan you can own nothing you'll be happy. slow, wet slogan you can own nothin in you'll be happy. slow, wet slogan you can own nothin in a you'll be happy. slow, wet slogan you can own nothin in a wayj'll be happy. slow, wet slogan you can own nothin in a way isl be happy. slow, wet slogan you can own nothin in a way is just happy. which in a way is just a rationalisation of economic distress. that we can't distress. the fact that we can't produce satisfy produce enough goods to satisfy people's needs. this is like a you'll go nowhere and you'll be happy. expectation of happy. a low expectation of humanity think. and humanity to think. and of course, think this back course, i think this goes back to actually, that to your monologue actually, that the people who are in charge basically don't trust the electorate, whether it's nationally or locally. there's this kind of sense of distrust. the you know, democracy doesn't work. if you do do things work. and if you do do things from bottom up organically, from the bottom up organically, then with then you'll end up with with something bad something terrible that's bad for environment . and think for the environment. and i think the while so lovely , everything the while so lovely, everything that we heard from from your other guest there, it reminds me of the sort of like experimental architecture of sort of, i would say, totalitarian art architects like corbusier. i think this is actually part of something much bigger in the zeitgeist, is this kind of this attack on all of the things that has made

modernity possible , all of all modernity possible, all of all of the things that make our modern lives convenient, that keep us all healthy and free i think it's part of this overall phenomenon that includes a lot of the environmentalist policies , includes a lot a lot of this sort of attitude from those who do have positions of authority of local or national government that makes them feel that they actually have the right. because my first thought with these 50 minute cities is who gave you the right? you have no right to do this to limit the way that people can move around this is the question isn't on my wife says to the time when we says to me all the time when we talk things is where talk about these things is where do people the idea do these people get the idea that to them? yeah. that this is up to them? yeah. who do they think they are? well, maybe they think their food well you get charged food lists. well you get charged house from one hamlet to house to go from one hamlet to another free another because the idea of free movement in modern movement in the modern environment scorned upon environment is now scorned upon in the way i agree with these comments think you know if you comments i think you know if you look times, for look at the today's times, for instance, also shows how some

instance, it also shows how some of these consultations have of these consultations they have to what they to be seen for what they are, dodgy quite often dodgy data quite often councillors and councillors not wanting to respond , showing that wanting to respond, showing that they don't, even on their they don't, they even on their own they're not actually own terms, they're not actually disingenuous and dishonest and we have a low level of trust at the moment , we have a low level of trust at the moment, which is a problem for anyone who really wants to change things. we've got to believe that we do it. believe that we can do it. i mean, it's a bit to this point, we've to believe that humans we've got to believe that humans are capable things for are capable of doing things for betterment improvement we've betterment and improvement we've got to have a of ambition got to have a bit of ambition that urban that's that urban planning, that's about wealth creation about dynamism, wealth creation for. the moment for. and at the moment and i call them technocrats i call them technocrats and i think very similar, think they're all very similar, the central government the ones in central government and not and the local authorities is not just the other. they have just one or the other. they have this approach, which is we know best. we need to limit things. you'll have things. you'll be quiet and have things. aren't a like seen aren't you a bit like we've seen in last three years? and in the last three years? and frankly, people are not to frankly, people are not going to put it. and that's why put up with it. and that's why together and put together declaration, we're saying get involved locally, regionally and nationally. involved locally, regionally and natiorchallenging and we we're challenging and maybe we should may for the should be ready in may for the independent for the independent action, for the

local but in the local actions, but also in the coming year. and it's not just about elections. it's about reigniting sense of the reigniting a sense of the democratic of public and us democratic kind of public and us being at the heart of. and that's what we're determined to make in britain, make sure happens in in britain, because we've seen too long now this for the this this contempt for the pubuc this this contempt for the public sidelining us public and sidelining us contempt for the public. that's what it feels like. alan miller gathered declaration . thanks gathered declaration. thanks for coming you will coming in again and you will certainly be in to certainly be in again to continue . you. continue this debate. thank you. it's anywhere . not slowing it's going anywhere. not slowing down speeding up . it's down is speeding up. it's another after light . we'll another break after light. we'll continue discussion. and continue our discussion. and nicholas smith, director of nicholas smith, the director of create , will be here to create streaks, will be here to tell he's so passionate tell us why he's so passionate about creating what being about creating what are being described places described gentle density places

there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £182.60, or £278.70 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus up to £900 in cost of living payments. welcome back. once more to neil oliver live now, before the break, we were discussing 15 minute cities and i'm now joined industry too by nicholas bobby smith , the director of create smith, the director of create streets , who attempts to develop

streets, who attempts to develop what they describe as gentle density places. nicholas, thanks for joining me. thank you very much for inviting. is there a wider , gentler philosophy here wider, gentler philosophy here that's being produced or lost in what people perceiving as just a top down slop on the freedoms by authoritarian councillors and government? yeah, it's been much depressing. few weeks and in what's been said i think on both sides, both the proponents and some of the defenders . just some of the defenders. just a little journey over the last 70 years. it's always hundreds about a hundred years ago, the motorcar became a functional thing. it wasn't just something for sort of, you know, a rich aristocrat to have and you know, it seduced by the power, the opportunities of the motorcar architect and town planners, you know, interwar bhutia who you mentioned earlier , began to mentioned earlier, began to dream of a totally new way of doing a city which is rather than being organic and messy, if you like, at home schools , shops you like, at home schools, shops walking, driving , jumping, you walking, driving, jumping, you know, carriage, whatever it might be, would be one plan from

above. i mean, his the real socialism could be fascist as well. the socialist top down, you people in you know, people living in towers there, working over towers over there, working over there , schools over great there, schools over there, great big fast highways or motorways linking them up together and, you know, in various places particular, i have to say, in poor neighbourhoods that started to be imposed post—war, this was traffic modernism. we started to do it in london. it mainly happens, guess what? in the poorer end, rather than the ficher poorer end, rather than the richer west end, some of the poorest neighbourhoods in modern britain today have a great big fast, you know, dual carriageway running through the middle, running through the middle, running them. the running right beside them. the people there are people who live there are bifurcated perhaps off bifurcated or perhaps cut off from town centre that the from the town centre so that the sort paradigm a sort of the paradigm a generation ago there was a very famous book and i want to get to that in a technical but was a very famous book by an american actually not a planner, just a thinker a jane thinker and a writer. jane jacobs in 1960s called the jacobs in the 1960s called the death and life of american cities, in which said, hang cities, in which she said, hang on, is a disaster stuff on, this is a disaster stuff where stripping out our where we're stripping out our

cities. we're making people less happy, productive. ever happy, less productive. and ever since planners and some since then, planners and some architects and not all have become increasingly nervous . the become increasingly nervous. the huge they did to towns in huge damage they did to towns in that post—war generation. this is coming to the is now coming down to answer the question, promise. and i think question, i promise. and i think that the that's the that so that's the that's the background to your question. so a . so this isn't the a range of. so this isn't the answer. a 15 minute city is not answer. a 15 minute city is not a new concept it's actually an ancient concept it's old as ancient concept. it's as old as cities. it's how cities always used work and the interesting used to work and the interesting thing if look at an for thing is, if you look at an for my sense i do if you look at not just the polling but the wellbeing, pricing the wellbeing, the pricing the revealed preference, you know, data , it's actually how most data, it's actually how most people want to live. there people do want to live. there was there was a poll by yougov the other day i think said about 60% said they did. 60% of people said they did. that's much important that's much less important than the data. will the pricing data. people will pay you the pricing data. people will pay you know, to live pay far more, you know, to live in might a 50 minute in what you might a 50 minute city a place in which it's city or a place in which it's easy to pass the two points test to go for points of milk by foot and for a pint of beer by and to go for a pint of beer by foot, in which it's easy to foot, and in which it's easy to drop off your children at school

and on the and then perhaps jump on the tram or the bus or get on a bike to go to work, as well as being forced get in a so forced to get in a car. so people do like it, but the problem is, if we've reimagined or people out of the or not pushed people out of the streets. so just based streets. so it's just car based going from where we are in some places. previous places. as your previous conversation is showing to perhaps people be perhaps where people would be happier and more want to be is a difficult the cost to your difficult path. the cost to your point, involves certainly difficult path. the cost to your point, term, es certainly difficult path. the cost to your point, term, the ertainly difficult path. the cost to your point, term, the shortly difficult path. the cost to your point, term, the short term medium term, the short term losers as well as winners. and that clearly something you that is clearly something you need carefully as need to take very carefully as a journey. people right to be journey. are people right to be suspicious that all that you've described there, you know, the honourable philosophy of wanting to enable people to live that kind of life is being used as a trojan horse bring in something thatis trojan horse bring in something that is a lot more brittle and a lot more straightforward , which lot more straightforward, which is just to get people out of their cars. and so i, i do think some of those sort of wilder things that have been said on both sides are wrong. i don't think there's a, you know, a world government plot to impose 15 cities as some sort of

socialist is. totally. why does it start with coercion? it starts with i it starts starts with i think it starts with fining people or telling them be fined if them what they'll be fined if they don't submit the right. they don't submit to the right. do have favourite putting do you have a favourite putting a have a favourite a car? do i have a favourite putting? i really but if putting? i really don't. but if i was forced to pick, i was if i was forced to pick, i'll just go with lemon meringue so some sometimes lemon meringue pie is made well and you're really happy with it sometimes the guy trying make the thing the guy trying to make the thing you always up goes you want always is it up goes the route and puts in. the wrong route and puts in. i don't know how you make lemon meringue pie but the lemon before sugar whatever or before the sugar or whatever or whatever so i i whatever it is. so i mean, i wrote a piece about this the other if i wasn't sometimes other day. if i wasn't sometimes i do, you know, advising councillors or neighbourhood groups this. i would groups how to do this. i would always say by the always say start by finding the win wins. and by the way, they're all wins. planting they're all win wins. planting more trees. but most more street trees. but most people, not everyone, tends to be popular, actually. and be more popular, actually. and this dystopian, but this may sound dystopian, but actually parking actually slowly reducing parking , that , often actually something that people because they people don't mind because they can how the gets can see how the streets gets better. just outside . better. i live just outside. we're just inside, i should say, zone in london. i'm very

zone two in london. so i'm very much at hit in inverted much looking at hit in inverted commas charge commas by the congestion charge . benefit from it. . i don't benefit from it. i can't drive into london, at least in principle. my parents could have in the seventies could have done in the seventies or actually or eighties. but actually my liberty place is the key liberty in this place is the key point. liberty enhanced point. my liberty is enhanced because they're formal buses. it's for to get into it's easy for me to get into town. i don't to park as a town. i don't need to park as a key. it's liberty isn't just about there's about the car. there's a fascinating study done in 2015 in sheffield from memory, done over showing the over generations, showing the liberty of children to move around. i wouldn't say their neighbourhood, actually their town a generation and town go back a generation and the read age. the average child read the age. i'll say ten, maybe 11 or maybe eight. so, you know about that. to move around was three or four miles back , forward 30 miles further back, forward 30 years, it's a few hundred metres . now barely leave the . children now barely leave the home. you look at any home. and if you look at any photo streets, you know, photo of the streets, you know, pre—war , formal people pre—war, the formal people walking on the carriageway, including children, you including children, than you would ever see now. so absolutely, you know, i have a car i'm to keep having car and i'm going to keep having a i'm anti cause a car. i'm not anti car cause a great family moving around the countryside suburbs. countryside and suburbs. neighbours, us all, neighbours, they give us all,

you know the, liberty of, you know the, the liberty of, you know the, the liberty of, you victorian you know, a victorian aristocrat. but once you get into on a percentage, you into town on a percentage, you do these , this, do get these, this, this economies , of what they do. economies of, of what they do. so that's the process we have to manage to find win wins and the worry and i get to lots travel with architects there's worry about beauty because lots of the things claimed to be 50 things that get claimed to be 50 minute developments walkable neighbourhoods pug ugly bird neighbourhoods are pug ugly bird killing faceless architecture that only a mother could love, which are not provably not good for people . so understandably, for people. so understandably, people then associate . you know people then associate. you know i agree a noble concept with something which they look at and say this looks like, you know, one where the sith lords live in star wars. so you don't create that your only blows up in oxford. oxford is already that because it's a mediaeval street pattern, you know, ask anyone, do to live in the do you want to live in the neighbourhoods can neighbourhoods where you can more to the shops more easily walk to the shops where children have more where your children have more liberty and you maybe it liberty and you want maybe it and yes. the path to and will say yes. the path to get there from where we are is not always an easy path. and

some councils get it wrong. nicholas smith thank you nicholas boyd smith thank you for introducing a much for gently introducing a much more rounded suggestion of what what was to what the concept was supposed to be. thanks for your time. pleasure. after the pleasure. thank you. after the break, panel why break, we asked my panel why media regulator ofcom appeared to selective approach to adopt a selective approach when comes challenging when it comes to challenging media over the content media channels over the content

hello again . welcome back to hello again. welcome back to nearly all of our live an ofcom ruling last week decided that while still with gb news presenter mark steyn meet and these are ofcom's words not long potentially harmful and misleading about the covid jobs , gb news responded, seeing was right to ask tough questions and point out government inconsistencies that he drew a reasonable conclusion from the data, but only one conclusion. and if you had made that clear, there would have been no breach of ofcom rules . but when it of ofcom rules. but when it comes to materially misleading information, i would ask why

other channels are not challenged when, for example , challenged when, for example, they see the jobs are safe and effective without having to reflect the view of eminent physicians and scientists . you physicians and scientists. you see, the jobs are anything but. we discuss this with emma and jacob and what do you see where i'm coming from ? the ofcom seem i'm coming from? the ofcom seem to have created an uneven playing field . yeah, completely. playing field. yeah, completely. i think. i playing field. yeah, completely. ithink. i mean playing field. yeah, completely. i think. i mean , a lot of the i think. i mean, a lot of the words that i used in the ofcom guidance words like harmful, you know, harm reasoned , able, even know, harm reasoned, able, even do so as a, you know , these are do so as a, you know, these are quite vague and open to interpretation . and so when interpretation. and so when ofcom do investigate actions, you know, in hindsight they're looking into part. but in some to some degree interpreting what exactly those words mean . and so exactly those words mean. and so when previously say , you know, when previously say, you know, other, other channels had

content removed online or, you know, they because because something they said was regarded as misleading because it contradicted it contradicted the current government health guidelines . current government health guidelines. i think the issue there that you know if you have a channel, say the bbc talking about the efficacy of masks, but ignonng about the efficacy of masks, but ignoring you know, other evidence that they may want to they could bring into the conversation action that there having a partial discussion. but it's sort of dressed up as impartiality. and so it seems the that that is actually quite open to interpretation and i think that perhaps particularly in some of the mainstream broadcasters and this goes back to our discussion about gary lineker , i think that there is a lineker, i think that there is a lack of self—awareness about partiality and bias because perhaps they are siloed and they're in a bubble. and like you say, there are eminent scientists because science is a

discussion and that's the nature of science. people disagree about things. and even if there is a huge consensus on on on one particular area , whether it's particular area, whether it's climate or public health policy, there will be, you know, marginal voices who are not completely wackadoo too, but who should be included in those discussions. but they're not, because i think they have this sort of perceived bias. jacob, it struck me very early on that there were contrary voices that wanted to see other things and ask other questions, but it was always possible and we all watched other channels rehearsing these lines about the jobs are fantastic, but 100% safe or so effective . if you get safe or so effective. if you get them, you wouldn't get ill. by that time there were doctors and other scientists who were saying, well, possibly not the case and there was no obligation pushed by ofcom. those other voices ought to be held alongside unsubstantiated claims about safety and efficacy that really infused it would be. well, i think so. first, i think

you've got to separate the bbc out from this discussion a little because you can understand that broadcast the rule effectively forced to pay for probably has some obugafions for probably has some obligations impartiality obligations to do impartiality and of it. you put and all the rest of it. you put that one side. another thing and all the rest of it. you put thakind)ne side. another thing and all the rest of it. you put thakind of�* side. another thing and all the rest of it. you put thakind of likez. another thing and all the rest of it. you put thakind of like to mother thing and all the rest of it. you put thakind of like to takeer thing i'd kind of like to take a little step back and think about how of journalism is how the role of journalism is fundamentally been transformed over time where over a period of time where journalists, especially those who have of bigger who have kind of bigger platforms, that have platforms, think that they have a to push us, a responsibility to push us, almost like we're in a kind of permanent state wartime where permanent state of wartime where they a responsibility to they have a responsibility to push is that they've push whatever it is that they've decided is in the national interest, whether it's the of staying home and isolating or staying at home and isolating or whether the importance of whether it's the importance of challenging of challenging the kind of governments, immigration, journalism no, that's so journalism. it no, and that's so that's i say a that's why i say it's a fundamental transformation of what the proper role of journalism and like lots journalism is. and i like lots of journalists now, think of themselves as having this responsibility to their real constituency, kind of constituency, which is kind of whatever kind of good and whatever other kind of good and right rigorous thing is to right and rigorous thing is to kind of rather than kind of push rather than thinking it's to job trust thinking it's our to job trust the viewers to make an informed decision if we provide some

interesting also interesting viewpoints that also , of course, includes an obugafion , of course, includes an obligation not entertain obligation not to entertain cranks people and to cranks and crazy people and to challenge everybody who comes onto your show and that kind of that of that kind of that kind of that kind of aspiration say, we trust the aspiration to say, we trust the pubuc aspiration to say, we trust the public their minds up. public to make their minds up. that's what generally shameful do need ofcom other countries do we need ofcom other countries operate with such a an entity . i operate with such a an entity. i don't know enough about, i think to say whether or not we should scrap it. but i certainly, you know, i think it's important to keep standards up in journalism. but i'm not sure that ofcom have succeeded in doing that for the reasons that you've just described. and i think the journalism has been sort of transformed something that transformed into something that probably wouldn't be recognisable to journalists, say, 50 years ago, the sorts of statutory data. but i think like going back to what we were saying, one example i think is within the climate debate. so i've got to have to get in on this, but sorry i picked this up after it's 7:00. plenty more to come on the show after the break. time for this week's

great britain. i was speaking to dennis going to dennis kafka, who's going to cycle edinburgh oxford dennis kafka, who's going to cycledonatingnburgh oxford dennis kafka, who's going to cycle donating onegh oxford dennis kafka, who's going to cycle donating one of oxford dennis kafka, who's going to cycle donating one of (ownd after donating one of his own kidneys .

good evening and welcome back to neil oliver live on gb news tv and on radio tonight on the second out of the show. it's been a tumultuous week at the bbc and the corporation has now denied it, denied that, decided not to air an episode of a new david attenborough series due to concerns right wing concerns about right wing criticism . we'll be discussing criticism. we'll be discussing that. criticism. we'll be discussing that . looking after our criticism. we'll be discussing that. looking after our animals is one of the prime jobs of a developed society, but we'll be joined by an artist ticket inspector will tell us of a truly shocking case of dog neglect. we'll ask what the moving of three parts and on fragments from the vatican orphans means for other relics,

such as the elgin marbles, all of that plus my weekly great britain and plenty more chat with my panel of emma wave and jacob reynolds. but first, an update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez . neal, thank you tatiana sanchez. neal, thank you and good evening. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the prime minister says he the bbc can resolve its row with gary lineker in a timely manner, but the dispute is not something the government should get involved with. comes after mr. lineker was forced to step back from match of the day over a tweet criticising the government migration policy. the bbc have said they apologise and are working hard to resolve the situation and tonight's show will go ahead. but alan shearer andian will go ahead. but alan shearer and ian wright have both backed out . football focus and final out. football focus and final score have also been cancelled after alex scott and jason mohammed have followed. labour leader sir keir starmer says the

corporation is in the wrong . the corporation is in the wrong. the bbc is not acting impartially by caving in to tory mps who are complaining about gary lineker. they've got this one badly wrong and now they're very badly exposed , as is the government, exposed, as is the government, because at the heart of this is the government's failure on the asylum system. and than take responsibility for the mess they've made the government is casting to blame anybody else. gary lineker , the bbc civil gary lineker, the bbc civil servants, the blob, what they should be doing is standing up, accepting, broken the asylum system and tell us and telling us what they're going to do to actually fix it. not whingeing on about gary lineker while in other news jeremy hunt has told gb news he wants britain to the most competitive business tax rates. amid calls to scrap a planned hike in corporation tax ahead of the budget on wednesday, the chancellor spoke to esther mcvey and philip davis on his plans to deliver growth and tackle inflation. he said

the corporation tax increase 19 to 25% would still leave the uk with a lower rate than nearly all major rivals. but he said he was committed to previous promises of bringing corporation tax down. what we now have is a responsible outlook for public finances. the markets have recognised that by bringing down mortgage rates , interest rates mortgage rates, interest rates and we're on track to bring inflation down. but if you're saying to me as a conservative chancellor do i want to bring down taxes ? well, i want to down taxes? well, i want to bnng down taxes? well, i want to bring down personal taxes , bring down personal taxes, because that is at the heart of what being a conservative is. but i want to bring down business taxes even more . west business taxes even more. west midlands police have said a man has been stabbed to death at a nightclub in walsall. officers were called to felicia's nightclub just after 5:00 this morning after receiving reports that someone had been stabbed . that someone had been stabbed. the man was pronounced dead at around an hour later while being taken to hospital. officers say

no arrests have been made yet. they are currently urging anyone with information and anyone who was in the nightclub at the time to come forward . tv online and to come forward. tv online and derby plus radio . you're with gb derby plus radio. you're with gb news. now it's back to neil oliver live . oliver live. thanks, tatyana. welcome back. every week on this show, i like to pause and consider those fellow travellers who set out to do good to make the world a better place for others. this week's great britain is 74 year old dennis carver from berkshire, who last year donated one of his kidneys to save the life of a stranger. and if that wasn't of a sacrifice, dennis is planning to cycle 500 miles from edinburgh to oxford to raise much needed funds for the charity give a kidney. dennis

joins me now. welcome, dennis. thank you . donating a kidney to thank you. donating a kidney to is. that's another . tell me why is. that's another. tell me why . i did more research after i had donated. i did before this. three and a half million people in this country are suffering from chronic kidney disease. most of them don't know it because it's not advanced. but 60, 68,000 of them are in stage five kidney failure . and of five kidney failure. and of those, 30,000 are on dialysis now . fortunately, there are now. fortunately, there are people that come to the rescue . people that come to the rescue. unfortunately, two thirds of them the deceased, because that's where most of the kidneys come from every year. a thousand of the others come from living donors, but they're usually relatives and friends . a small relatives and friends. a small portion , about 100 a year. portion, about 100 a year. sometimes the list of people that donate and they don't know where it's going and they don't mind . and what i'm trying to do

mind. and what i'm trying to do is raise awareness of the fact that you can give a kidney and lead a normal life afterwards . lead a normal life afterwards. give a kidney is the charity that focuses on that . and i'm that focuses on that. and i'm working with them to do the transplant tour in september, where we're going to be calling it seven transplant centres up down the country. do you feel different as i had a physiology effect on you? not at all. mentally, it's been a bonus . so mentally, it's been a bonus. so i feel much better by doing it. i feel much better by doing it. i had a good recovery. i was fit beforehand . there are various beforehand. there are various levels of fitness , of course, levels of fitness, of course, and sometimes with a family they might not be as fit as i was a family member, but i was fit within seven weeks of donating , within seven weeks of donating, i was back on the bike doing my regular 35 mile ride. you don't get you don't know if you received your kidney. no, i don't . do you get any feedback don't. do you get any feedback at all? none. well you're not

entitled to any feedback. no. the only feedback i got was from one of the surgeons who came to my bedside the following day after my off and said that you know, kidney has been transplanted and it's working well. it's quite, quite something, isn't it? i really. ever since i heard of it, the story of i've gone over and over it in my head, you know, the idea of one thing to give up for a fit. i loved one or a family member, but but just to give up and trust. well, i just. i just think it's extraordinary. particularly because, like you say , you're not entitled to that say, you're not entitled to that feedback. and i we're feedback. and i think we're currently in the period of lent where a lot of people are thinking about charity is, you know, part of that. some people give something up, but they also are encouraged to donate to charity. and i just think that, you know, this is it's a perfect time for people to maybe consider this is something that they might not have thought that they might not have thought that they could do and that you,

through your sort of being a spokesperson and also through going on this cycling tour , are going on this cycling tour, are a perfect sort of flying example of how you can get by without a kidney, maybe . maybe people kidney, maybe. maybe people should consider. i think i'm probably too cowardly to. which is horrible indictment of me. it's humbling testimony, don't you think, jacob ? the idea of you think, jacob? the idea of surrendering something as precious as a vital organ and not to someone you know , to not to someone you know, to someone you'll never know for sure. i mean, i'm actually kind of curious about whether you i mean, wouldn't wouldn't you want to know, do you think people should have like do you think the person should better get in touch you if they want to touch with you if they want to say you? those are the say thank you? those are the ones they would complicate ones that they would complicate the kind pure charity of the the kind of pure charity of the action. moment you can action. the moment that you can get doing it, it was get the praise doing it, it was very different. but i did it, very different. but if i did it, i'm not going but i'm probably not going to. but if it, i'd kind of want to if i did it, i'd kind of want to know if it was one of those. is the bull in the recipient's court? i mean, if mean, if court? i mean, if i mean, if they to reach out, they can they want to reach out, they can write they go through the

write they can go through the blood transplant and can blood and transplant and can they can write. can just they can write. they can just contact anonymous if they contact an anonymous if they want . nhs blood and transplant want. nhs blood and transplant and do provide templates for people . but those are mostly for people. but those are mostly for writing to the families of the deceased and that that's got to be tough. but knowing that transfer formative effect that you've had to get someone off of dialysis , let them go back to dialysis, let them go back to just living a normal life as you see the mental the reward is. yeah it was immense. tell me about the cycle right then. what is the philosophy and what sort of people take part at the moment? i think i earlier that i'd done a couple of rounds before i made a life crisis right , if you before i made a life crisis right, if you like. that was 20 years ago. thought that was two years ago. thought that was two years afterwards. but that's that's the one they're where we managed to raise £64,000 in 2001 for leukaemia busters. goodness me. and we repeated it two years

later and another 45,000. but i realised that the, the, as i was organising them were a bit tough sometimes . i organising them were a bit tough sometimes. i mean that was, that was 1400 miles in 16 days. right and, and no rest days . these was and, and no rest days. these was it on the tour de france, you know what i mean? day off a week. we didn't. and i went back into ordinary work , if you like. into ordinary work, if you like. and it wasn't until i semi—retired that i thought that i might the time to do this. i'd heard about it on radio from something like that, had been interviewed probably about ten years ago. i heard she donated to someone that she didn't know and so in some ways it was the back of my mind. i used to be a blood donor irregularly , but of blood donor irregularly, but of course you not, i guess replenished a is are a for people who've given a kidney. no, no , not at all. i'm no, no, not at all. i'm fortunate . i've got the chairman

fortunate. i've got the chairman of the charity signed up . he did of the charity signed up. he did give a kidney as most of the people that are involved with it have done. but none of the others have. and i know that of them never will and some of them can't. but the they're all cyclists and. what i'm looking for now is another 20 people that i don't know, like didn't know who got my kidney and asking them to give anything other than their support and to gain publicity by having as people as we can on this ride , people as we can on this ride, where can people find you and give give money to this ride or indeed find out a whole lot more about what it is that you've been doing? w w w don't the transplant tour or one worked out uk and that will take them through to the page that is associated the ride. and from there they can fill out a contact us page and will follow that up. so amazing story. dennis, you're so modest about it. certainly thinking that you're here as a man who has taken some vital functioning

part of his body and given it to a stranger. but i waited till i was 73. doesn't other people do it in the twenties and thirties? those are the ones that i really admire. well, i really admire you, great britain. thanks carmel, thank you very much. thank story. it's thank you. brilliant story. it's another after the bbc another break now after the bbc denies an episode of an denies dropping an episode of an attenborough series in order to appease potential critics , we'll appease potential critics, we'll ask a tv critic for it's going .

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mark dolan tonight from me to lebanon on gb news with the alternative match of the day starting ten back of the nets . starting ten back of the nets. welcome once more to neil. all of a life was an episode of an upcoming bbc david attenborough documentary series pulled to avoid a backlash from viewers . avoid a backlash from viewers. that's the allegation made by the guardian newspaper that published clean is the broadcaster's running scared and i quote tory politicians and the right wing press sounds bizarre . joining me now to tell me more is tv critic sara roberts . and is tv critic sara roberts. and hello, sara . good evening to you hello, sara. good evening to you , neal. thanks for having me on the show. you're right. this is bizarre indeed . where do bizarre indeed. where do i begin? so the broke this story yesterday day saying that the bbc were scared, as you put it, a right wing backlash if they

showed what the guardian was the last episode, the six episode of this new bbc series, it starts tomorrow night with david attenborough called wild isles . attenborough called wild isles. the last part is called saving our wild isles. this the last part is called saving our wild isles . this is meant to our wild isles. this is meant to be a sort of complimentary episode to this series, which the guardian was seen as a six part series. that was claim. but they said that the bbc decided not show that with the at the five parts and just put it straight to i flair and case that those on the right would would take offence at this what they call dinosaur lobbyists who don't want to do things like rewilding and aren't interested the environment and just want to take the side of all of farmers and agriculturists. i straightaway smelt the rat with this and said this. this is just not right at all. because most people i know in the countryside

are very conservative and are from the right and are the people who kept obstinately about the countryside who would like to see real wild river wilding and also would love to watch david attenborough's documentary series . huge, huge, documentary series. huge, huge, huge fans of attenborough. anyway, the cut a long story short, came out last night and said the guardian's article and those two are normally in bed finished with other normally in bed with each other. but they said the guardian's article was was incorrect was wrong and that this was never meant to be a six part series. what the last part is was filmed by the rspb and the world wildlife fund , which the world wildlife fund, which was never part of the of the main series. and they had acquired the rights for it to go on and so the guardian have taken this and, and spun the story to try and have a go at those on the rights and to say that the bbc is cancelling. david who as we know, is a

national treasure. this isn't the case at all. the bbc have never cancelled david attenborough david attenborough show is going to be shown but if you want to see film for the royal protection society of birds and the world wildlife , birds and the world wildlife, you can hunt it out after the series on iplayer and. that's the long and the short of it. neal how how desperate, how desperate can anyone be to suggest you it's right wing extreme mists and well this is handke's fear the wrath that would that would persuade the ahead of time to cancel an episode of a series. it just has all the hallmarks of nonsense . all the hallmarks of nonsense. well, it's to try and stir up isn't it. am i around? and that's what they've done in the guardian. i've not backed down to this. i mean, they've included the bbc statement now, but they're still not backed down. they've said that people within the bbc insiders in the bbc have told them this , that bbc have told them this, that they're upset that the bbc is caving in to right wing pressure . but as i've just pointed out

to you, where is this to you, where where is this right wing coming from right wing pressure coming from 7 right wing pressure coming from ? people who ? you know, people who are calling rewilding calling for rewilding the likes of goldsmith , his brother, of ben goldsmith, his brother, who was conservative politician , who was conservative politician i , who was conservative politician , i don't understand it. can they claim this is pressure from from the right when it's people on the right who would like to see more done to preserve the countryside to try and get rewilding going to talk about what's going on in the countryside and what we can do to salvage it. i just can't understand how they think they can they can get away that. and that's why i tweeted about it last night is that this is fake news from. the guardian, they've taken run away with taken something, run away with it try to say the is doing it to try to say the is doing censorship . it's not the case at censorship. it's not the case at all in this and as if anyone would cancel david but the idea that the bbc cancel david attenborough i think everyone will the bbc and say will say read the bbc and say and not pay the licence pay. but the bbc in this have not done this and they've said this was never a 6% raise. it was always a five part series. but with

this extra film that they've from elsewhere , they've not made from elsewhere, they've not made it themselves. they fought to a and if people want to see that as an extension of the show, they can do so on iplayer . so they can do so on iplayer. so i don't see how the guardian can make such a big deal out of this. i think really, really bad. and course the left have seized this and said the bbc is after everything what's happened with gary lineker? the bbc censoring david attenborough because of the set of rules and tv critic i think you have nailed that one squarely to the post disaster. be thrown out of this evening and must reject from the peace and lobbying ships are desperately hanging onto the dinosaur and wheeze such as the farming and gaming district. i mean, since when was growing the nation's food and conservative of the dinosaur? and if that's even a word mean it's such silliness and i think that the fact that you called it confected nonsense is a perfect

description it seems i was saying earlier it's this sort of creation of this right wing bogeyman. i think the guardian seem to be trying do with this article what a lot of articles we've seen. the other side of the spectrum , the telegraph that the spectrum, the telegraph that are and are correct about the cancelling of particular individual wars or particular works of art or whatever . but works of art or whatever. but it's interesting that they seem to be trying to replicate this, but of course it's not true . but but of course it's not true. but they often accuse right of wanting to stoke a culture war. and of course, it seems to be coming the other direction. so it's just it's a very sort of revealing article . think about revealing article. think about the guardian's motivations . they the guardian's motivations. they seem to want to basically spin this imaginary bogeyman and disappointed . what point are disappointed. what point are they going to be self—aware enough to realise how ridiculous it sounds ? accuse everything and it sounds? accuse everything and anything of being wing extremism? yeah, well , as anything of being wing extremism? yeah, well, as as people have pointed out, this

kind of confected outrage that desperately searching around for from martyr figures. mean , from martyr figures. i mean, probably find one now in gary lineker they rowback on lineker so they might rowback on this little bit, but this story a little bit, but i mean, risk of rising to mean, at the risk of rising to the bait, which is the it is worth out that david worth pointing out that david spread despite having made many fine over the fine nature programmes over the years, consider to be years, holds what consider to be kind views about kind of pretty nasty views about human beings. he's the person who's regularly compares us to a cancer plague , the planet, cancer or a plague, the planet, and who uses kind of the authority that's bestowed on him by making these nature by making these great nature programmes we're programmes to tell us that we're all of living in moral all kind of like living in moral sin because . we want drive sin because. we want to drive around the weird directories around and the weird directories spongebob deaths of spongebob for the deaths of penguins all these penguins and bears and all these kind things. and so he kind of things. and so while he should and he should be well entitled to his views, of course, at same time, course, but at the same time, this is an opportunity for me to make know, i'm often the make my you know, i'm often the only room will ever only person in a room will ever say bad about david say something bad about david attenborough. but feel the attenborough. but i do feel the need going to point out this need to going to point out this is who really generally is someone who really generally loathes he thinks loathes his viewers. he thinks they are horrible people because they are horrible people because

they use cars they drive around and use cars and want consumer goods. and kind of want consumer goods. i and i mean, david attenborough and st of thunberg were conspicuously silent . the conspicuously silent. the trillions of face masks , the trillions of face masks, the sized face masks that went into the ocean, you know there was no outrage about all of ppe and all of the rest of it that went into landfills and so on and so on. you know, where was where was the where was the environmentalists over that dereliction ? this is the thing. dereliction? this is the thing. and your guest pointed out that you i know lots of conservatives who were very into rewilding traditional conservatives in particular are, you know, absolutely love with the countryside. it's environmentalism is always core to conservatism you want to conserve those countries . conserve those countries. exactly. so not only is this confected, but it's also unconvinced , saying because of unconvinced, saying because of the way that it's sort of this this not existent brand of maybe they're thinking of, you know, particular libertarians or something they, think they want to concrete all over the all

over the landscape . but but it's over the landscape. but but it's a very good point. you know, there are many conservatives who are really very good clustered of the environment and who care a lot about this and actually of the criticisms of the left environmentalist movement are coming from a place of concern about the environment. so i think that this article from the is extremely telling some makes it unconvincing. i would say it's a tissue of what personal so but we have to move on speaking as someone who shares my home with two irish wolfhounds i'm openly biased in support of the welfare of our canines friends. so i was barely able to look at the images of what the rspca described this week as one of the worst cases of neglect they'd ever seen. to be specific, they were alerted to the plight of a dog whose claws had been allowed to grow to point where they were to the point where they were piercing paws. and piercing the animal's paws. and just warning for animal just a warning for animal lovers. this item and upcoming

images be quite disturbing. images may be quite disturbing. rspca inspector vicki macdonald me now to share the frankly horrifying. hello vicki . hi horrifying. hello vicki. hi thanks for having me . oh no it's thanks for having me. oh no it's important . thanks for having me. oh no it's important. talk us through this one. so we were alerted to plight of bentley by, a member of public contact call centre and the allegation was that he in full body condition and had skin issues and his clothes were extremely overgrown overgrown . extremely overgrown overgrown. and so it was literally somebody who knew the dog, maybe a neighbour was watching the animal was concerned enough to draw your attention . yeah, i'm draw your attention. yeah, i'm not sure who it was that that made the call to us, but it's obviously somebody that had seen the dog in severe condition that he'd been allowed to get into . he'd been allowed to get into. oh, look, i mean, honestly, it's like a special effect from a you

know from a from a horror flick and it took us through. that's the claw growing back into the soft tissue isn't it . yeah. i've soft tissue isn't it. yeah. i've i've never seen anything like it on a dog previously and bentley wasn't just by one or two claws being overgrown. one of his feet , all the clothes overgrown , the , all the clothes overgrown, the point where they were either corkscrew, as you see there. and but on all four packs, at least one claw had curled round so far that it had embedded itself deep into the past and causing swelling and infection and considerable pain to bentley . considerable pain to bentley. for what breed of dog was bentley? is bentley and what age ? he was a staffordshire bull terrier type , about six years terrier type, about six years old and. he has certainly been experiencing this discomfort for several prior to us getting involved and the person that was the owner of him at the time had him for the past 18 months. and

dunng him for the past 18 months. and during that time had certainly never seen a vet for any treatment and the conditions that he had to close the skin. they're not things that appear overnight or in the previous week they're things that build up over a period of time. so there was a considerable period of suffering for bentley why. why it happen to you know, why did it happen to you know, my you know i've got i've got £2, i said in introduction £2, as i said in introduction sometimes they walk on the street, sometimes they walk on, you know, soft, you know, on grass or whatever the cause that doesn't happen and we haven't had take steps to, to cut had to take steps to, to cut them back what was going on with bentley's clothes ? yeah. i mean, bentley's clothes? yeah. i mean, obviously you always need to keep an eye on clothes and they do so long, especially with the horses sometimes further up the neck. and yes, you're right. that, that and just generally walking around on pavements that acts as a normal force that does keep them down. but certainly for bentley , he hasn't been out for bentley, he hasn't been out and on, on any type of walk for and on, on any type of walk for

a considerable amount of time the clothes wouldn't go much but to be honest nor would have even been able to it was quite obvious when he was that it was extremely painful , those things. extremely painful, those things. but it's something that should have been obvious to anybody . have been obvious to anybody. and we, you what will happen to bentley? what condition is he in and what are his prospects for? a new home unfortunately i don't have good news as far as bentley is concerned came into our care and the local branch were found tastic with him and they did their very best for him. but he had so many different issues going on. he didn't just have to disclose, but he also had literally a head to toe skin condition , which you can see in condition, which you can see in some of the pictures. his skin was very sore and wreckage and swollen. in addition to that, he had infections in both these and he had so problems and the branch operating, they tried so hard . but after a few weeks, it hard. but after a few weeks, it

was just deemed in his best interest that he should be euthanized and something that was the outcome. oh, dear. the worst possible outcome . so will worst possible outcome. so will there be consequences for the former owner? will the will there be action taken to ? make there be action taken to? make sure they don't keep animals anything like that ? yes. so the anything like that? yes. so the owner bentley and he had been on our radar previously 18 months pnor our radar previously 18 months prior to my visit and he'd received a caution and then failing to get better treatment for a dog obviously this matter that i walked into is was even more serious and as a result of that, i conducted an investigation which then resulted in a case going to court and that's a week and a half ago . he was sentenced in half ago. he was sentenced in court and he's now been banned from taking dogs for next ten years or ten years forever. i would say . how frequently you would say. how frequently you see cases like this? i know you're saying that what you saw with bentley was was unusually

or uniquely severe, but how often are you dealing with animals in kind of life and death protection events? well i mean, in the job that we do here, we see cases neglect on a daily basis . unfortunately, some daily basis. unfortunately, some more severe than others. obviously, the most serious issues they do need to prosecute . but obviously the papers is about prevention . so mainly what about prevention. so mainly what we try to do is get out there and help and educate and try and resolve the situation and in the situation that it's actually in and if we can resolve that , and if we can resolve that, that's better for the owner, better for the animal. but obviously there are situations that are just too serious and we have to take further action a dreadful , have to take further action a dreadful, ultimately upsetting story . vicky mcdonnell from the story. vicky mcdonnell from the rspca, thank for bringing it to our attention . so important for our attention. so important for everyone to know just kind of predicament that some animals are left and on account of the rank stupidity in callousness of owners . thank you to the owners. thank you to the training brings right down

doesn't it to see you know that of level of cruelty meted out to a pure beast. i mean he the poor thing probably couldn't have occurred . i can't imagine how he occurred. i can't imagine how he could possibly have been able to move around at all, even be able to stand up. he must have been in complete agony and probably for a very long time well, for a very long time as well, for a very long time as well, for it have gotten to that for it to have gotten to that stage. really firmly think stage. i really firmly do think that abuse animals that people who abuse animals like should be in jail. like that should be put in jail. yeah. i don't think. it yeah. and i don't think. it should a ban. should be a ten year ban. i think it should be a lifetime ban. he should a person like that be allowed near that should be allowed near animals think have animals because i think you have to kind of person can to ask what kind of person can see an animal suffering around, you in their with you know, living in their with them, animal that must surely them, an animal that must surely not have been able to or to take care of itself in the way that animals normally can. you know what kind of person can stomach seeing that i think anybody looks at that would wince and feel sick sickened by it you know so i think that people who abuse animals should really be punished very severely. it's a

measure of society's . jacob, measure of society's. jacob, i would say the way that, you know, if those people animals among that we share our place with if we if we can't do the bafic with if we if we can't do the basic comforts and the basic kindnesses, what does it say about our society . yeah, for about our society. yeah, for sure. i mean, there's obviously always danger reading too much into going to one example. nonetheless i mean, just anecdotally, you do kind of you do kind of witness a little bit that there's a growth people that there's a growth in people maybe taking pets. they're not quite for them quite right for them or especially people especially with dogs, people taking kind taking on increasingly kind of like slightly dogs that like a slightly dogs that maybe aren't for and also aren't quite right for and also people think maybe you could people i think maybe you could draw some longer point about draw out some longer point about people dealing out people and are not dealing out the in society. the responsibility in society. people not kind as maybe people are not kind of as maybe to dogs properly. and people are not kind of as maybe to i dogs properly. and people are not kind of as maybe to i think dogs properly. and people are not kind of as maybe to i think everyone perly. and people are not kind of as maybe to i think everyone if rly. and people are not kind of as maybe to i think everyone if i'm and people are not kind of as maybe to i think everyone if i'm going so i think everyone if i'm going to conversation about to have a conversation about whether kind of are whether we still kind of are capable of looking after the animals we i'll animals in the way we do, i'll be a little cautious about drawing out too much, but when you you with you, i've you when you live with you, i've got at home. you got dogs at home. and when you see vulnerable, are really,

see vulnerable, they are really, you much they depend you know, how much they depend you know, how much they depend you for every aspect of their happiness in every part of the life, you know, to see that just the soul of what bentley went through and however many years runcie are, just runcie are, is just deeply, profoundly upsetting. a break to pause thought, at least pause for thought, at least after up of discussing after the break up of discussing the that three fragments of the news that three fragments of the news that three fragments of the parthenon will be sent from the parthenon will be sent from the vatican . athens. and what the vatican. athens. and what does that mean for other historic artefacts held elsewhere .

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up the heat. you would see on the british museum that has been the british museum that has been the home of the elgin marbles , the home of the elgin marbles, also called the parthenon marbles since 1832. joining me to discuss the latest development is archaeologist dr. mario trabuco. mario, good . mario trabuco. mario, good. we've spoken before. good to see you again . hello. lovely to see you again. hello. lovely to see you again. hello. lovely to see you again. hello. lovely to see you again. it for excitedly are the vatican handing back? what did they have and what are they? surrender sure. it's three marble fragments . basically, you marble fragments. basically, you in the parthenon, you have three main areas of where sculptures can be. one is the pediment that three triangles on the front. on the back. then you have the all those little square boxes that are the mantelpiece all around on the outside. and then that you have the ionic frieze all the side inside the aim. one fragment for each one of these tate galleries. there is the

fragment of the head of a horse that comes from the west pediment . then there is a pediment. then there is a fragment of the head of centaur from one of the mantelpiece, and there is a fragment, a one of there is a fragment, a one of the ponchos with a relief of a boy carrying tray with cakes and offerings to the goddess coming from the panathenaic procession perfection that is depicted on the ionic frieze . exactly those the ionic frieze. exactly those yeah.i the ionic frieze. exactly those yeah. i think the boy . yes. yeah. i think the boy. yes. cutting the offerings yet. and then the centaur. yes and so the vatican comes to have these pieces because of a little bit of a convoluted story , two of of a convoluted story, two of them at least, and come from venice or venice , because as you venice or venice, because as you may have already , in 1687, there may have already, in 1687, there was a venetian army that basically bought cargo cannot

balance in waging against the ottoman empire either in the acropolis with the acropolis fortified the turkish garrison and. therefore, francesco maldini , they got it. the whole maldini, they got it. the whole overblown is basically bombarded the corporation from one of the neighbouring hills and these this whole was the parthenon itself to explode literally because it was a field with ammunition, ammunition stored there by the turks , by the there by the turks, by the ottomans. these are scattered fragment fragments of fragments over the place, not only on the north and the south side , but north and the south side, but also caused the destruction of part of the sculptures that were also on the pediment. and many many of those fragments away just laying on the ground or even falling over the bottlemen and the and besides the all over

the acropolis and the people who just got me collect them, bring them home and yet what is that? what then? obviously this tunnels the spotlight back on the idea of repatriating some aspect of the parthenon marbles . well, what is the present position ? the british museum, i position? the british museum, i suppose really the british government, when it comes to this relentlessly vexed matter of this these is misplaced items. let's see, right now the position is make it very clear it's one of the clearest cases, actually, that you can have when you look at all they are that lots of fragments that are scattered throughout europe in the case of the elgin marbles , the case of the elgin marbles, these are a clear cut case of these are a clear cut case of the govan men, the legitimate government of the time, handing them over, conceding them to the then british ambassador comes through with this seven as pablo, then elgin, and then he simply acquired and brought them

home where they were. partridge to again legitimately and wade and to parliament in 1816 by that which government which handed them all they ever in care, in stewardship to the trustees , the british museum. so trustees, the british museum. so the british museum owes them because of an act of parliament and could not have acquired them if they are not legitimate , they if they are not legitimate, they are not found . the elgin are the are not found. the elgin are the legitimate title and the was able to pass this legitimate title to the museum in the first place. so the political right now even the retain and explain make sure that people know why these fragments are in the british museum right now . and british museum right now. and wolf the whole the massive role in the cultural history, not only of england , but also of the only of england, but also of the wider west, in that and the pace

and shaping the arts of, wider west, in that and the pace and shaping the arts of , the end and shaping the arts of, the end of the whole of the west . do you of the whole of the west. do you think do you think do you think do you think that the vatican is stirring things up deliberately? do you think there's any is there some politicking going on? people are saying, well, we are going to give back bit of the of the parthenon. maybe you should. local politics definitely going on because if you think about it there is a striking parallel between what both francis is doing with these street arguments right now and what this will turn or that day be the ground. we see it back then made here in 1801. there is an obstacle area but can dispose of pieces and the in these pieces don't mean really too much . for don't mean really too much. for evidence for the identity , the evidence for the identity, the feeling of who they are. and they can basically dispose of them, give them freely in an act of gracious next to somebody is

as barter for somebody to go gain a in the case of the sultan they wanted to get to the benevolent and help of the british government and on the other side in the case of the but he wants to kind of cause an historic grief but bring together two parts that have beenin together two parts that have been in the in that in the fight with each other for a very long long. so it's a lot of graciousness and the fact that they're using the donation is very, very important because they are saying the vatican is saying it's just a personal gesture by one man monarch cloth to another . and so it's not to another. and so it's not about recreation . it's not about recreation. it's not a state to state rescue . do from state to state rescue. do from that , because obviously there state to state rescue. do from that, because obviously there is a lot of stuff in the museum that could be put in jail. but the if you start talking about it and vatican instituting items so . in the donation also creates

so. in the donation also creates a kind of in a cemetery in a way there is a donating pastor that there is a donating pastor that the that the more ground in a way and on the other side the receiving box which forever grateful and it has a kind of a shoe pair position untouchable because like these i'm sure we'll be talking about this again the future. for my own part, i think the vatican are just at, as we see in this part of the world, i'm sure they're just trying to cause trouble. but don't try because we will pick this story up again. i'm sure it's a long way from over over this fascinates me. what over. this fascinates me. what it means if you get people, if you give this if you get you give this idea, if you get this across the everything this idea across the everything that's museum that's in every museum collection around world has collection around the world has to be sent back to wherever it came from. wow what does that mean for the cultural of the planet? completely and i think this has he was describing it the perfect of how the history of every item , any museum in the

of every item, any museum in the world is extremely complicated. those marbles were taken from the path on before the modern state greece even existed. i think 30. it's prior to greece as it exists today being a thing so . yes this this completely so. yes this this completely opens the door to all museums strict because culturally everything to someone else and. another example of this is this this jewel that has been in the media recently for discussion that, you know, the main argument for giving it back to india is because it was at some point owned by a ruler who also happened to be the ruler of lahore at the time because the map was drawn differently. so do you do you shop in half or give half pakistan and half to half to pakistan and half to india? a huge it's a huge india? it's a huge it's a huge potential disaster for collections around the world. i've got to go to break, though, and would be the final break, after which we will have more about the long lost letter from about the long lost letter from a young prince charles, which was rediscovered and fetched

several thousand pounds at this week .

welcome back, everyone. this is neil. all over live. now to weeks ago, a unique moment to giving a glimpse of the relationship between a six year old prince charles. no king and the queen mother went up for auction, came in the form of a letter that she lost and forgotten. a box of paperwork in the attic of a home in stratford upon avon. and it went under the hammer for a whopping £7,000. auctioneer charles joins me now. charles good evening . evening charles good evening. evening mail tell tell more about the letter . things mail tell tell more about the letter. things amazing mail tell tell more about the letter . things amazing they'll letter. things amazing they'll the letter was just lurking in a box and with the family around and stockdale as our client's grandfather and remarkably the left arms he was penned by young

prince charles of course was six years old it was a year before he became the prince of wales and remarkably it was to granny. of course i'll great queen grandmother who passed away in the year 2008 wrote dear granny , i am sorry that you are ill. i you will be better soon and we suspect on the buckingham palace letterhead it was actually penned only address. see by the queen to her mother said half the i suppose you know these three important names within one piece of cora's fondness was just a remarkable find in my love mail is if an object can talk , what can it tell us? and talk, what can it tell us? and it . march 1955. yeah how did it it. march 1955. yeah how did it come to be in that house and start from the pond even? how many ? how many had it been blown many? how many had it been blown in the wind ? had it travel? you in the wind? had it travel? you know how to you know, travel downstream. how did it get there

7 downstream. how did it get there ? provenance so important. and obviously it belonged to our grandfather royal installed stockdale was an import and royal protection officer and he had looked after the queen mother in the sixties seventies , highly regarded alongside archive of the letter and the envelope that was important section of postcards. he was so highly thought of, and i suspect back in that time with such keepsakes. it was something which was passed on to him remarkably and i think the whole archive came together, and that letter really was the all important object . what kind of important object. what kind of collector is in the market for this kind of item? you what kind of what collection it does? it form a logical . yeah i think form a logical. yeah i think objects with a provenance with a history with a real air of authority which are personal and cherished within those important isuppose cherished within those important i suppose parts, as you call by

ordinarily so that it's a work on paper , something which was on paper, something which was very much collected and well it was it was basically competed for by a museum a private collector in and also a in the uk and. we must remember over the years i've sold things from queen victoria's bloomers, queen victoria's silk stockings and these person mementos were for some unknown reason , just given some unknown reason, just given away by members of the royal family, which to us at home might seem so personal but i think to them they were hair stained to more, to courtiers, to and to royal household members. and of course, roland, the important court protection officer. so just are they in the hand? wonderful to handle and prince charles as a young six year old boy had even drawn the end of his beautifully inscribed handwriting with le pencil to line up his need and tightness .

line up his need and tightness. i had drawn some easter eggs, so i had drawn some easter eggs, so i suspect it was maybe a few weeks before in the mid 1950s. auctioneer charles hanson fascinating little personal glimpse of royal family life . glimpse of royal family life. thanks for joining glimpse of royal family life. thanks forjoining us glimpse of royal family life. thanks for joining us this evening . it's an odd one, jacob, evening. it's an odd one, jacob, isn't it? imagine if you're a little letter that you've written as a six year old at a relative being regarded as a as handed off as a as a as a souvenir to someone else. yeah. i mean, it's amazing what ends up in people's losses in the always and the auctioneer that noted the handwriting very very beautiful . that reminds me of beautiful. that reminds me of one thing that i mean, people who write letters anymore . and who write letters anymore. and then, of course, over time, they've been an important they've been such an important source establishing racial source of establishing racial relationships, digging into historical figures, understanding was on people's minds because they live on and there's lots of people do you do worry that are they going to they're going to digging they're not going to be digging out people's whatsapp out kind of people's whatsapp chats day and turning those were funny species funny creatures as a species aren't we the want these want to

an item like that is a strange compulsion i want to know sold queen victoria's blue is how they came to acquire them and who it is that owns them. i mean if i personally if i an endless amount of money i'd be in the game. i would choose does that there's a need to. yeah, absolutely. i mean , it's absolutely. i mean, it's a wonderful little piece of history and actually, if i had discovered that i had a relative's attic i would have wanted to keep it. i wouldn't have wanted to even first ever suppose in this year when, you know, prince charles, you know, is going to be crowned king, it gives a certain in in in historical time doesn't let it has appeared no . i imagine that has appeared no. i imagine that they probably would have been advised that now is the time to sell it because there going to be did he mentioned that there was an interest from a buyer in the states and i think that there is lot of increasing interest because i mean, the royals haven't been out of the news partly thanks to harry and meghan for quite some time. so i

think now we'll maybe be the peak for selling something like that. but i certainly would i would have to hold onto it. seven, £7,000. the £7,000? well at the end of another show. that's all from you, neil, all of our life. my thanks as always to my panel this evening, webb, jacob reynolds . i'll be back at jacob reynolds. i'll be back at 6:00 next saturday. next up , 6:00 next saturday. next up, it's mark dolan tonight marcus already mark, what have you on the show this evening neal thanks for another brilliant program we're to make television and radio history tonight . gary and radio history tonight. gary lineker has been suspended by the bbc. the match of the day team are on strike which is why we are doing a alternative match of the day here on gb news it's at 10:00. my co—host is patrick christys we've got top names from the world of football . it from the world of football. it will be a virtue signalling free zone. will be a virtue signalling free zone . it is the alternative zone. it is the alternative match of the day from ten plus the people's hour, the big

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