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handling this crisis. welcome to "america live," everyone, i'm megyn kelly. this troubling report comes amid signs of strain in the u.s./israeli relationship. the israelis publicly expressing alarm over recent comments from top members of the obama administration saying they hurt israel and help iran. in one interview u.s. defense secretary leon panetta said he fears israel is preparing to attack iran soon, in the next few months. and another from the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, listen here, a couple days ago. >> well, i'm confident that they understand our concerns that a strike at this time would be destabilizing and wouldn't achieve their long-term objectives. they consider iran to be an existential threat in a way that we have not concluded that iran is an existential threat. so i don't, i wouldn't suggest sitting here today that we've persuaded them that our view is
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the correct view and that they are acting in an ill-advised fashion. megyn: we have team cover an on this with leland vittert in jerusalem, but we begin with peter brooks, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense under president george w. bush, now a foreign policy analyst and senior fellow with the heritage foundation. peter, what do you make of these remarks, we're talking about the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, of israel, the defense minister ehud barak saying these do not service reel's interests, serve iran's interests and are being very vocal of their dissatisfaction. >> it's a new level of disagreement between the two sides. the obama side is saying patience, calling for patience on dealing with iran. the israelis are saying we're worried iran's going to enter the zone of immunity where they'll have enough fissile material that a military strike will prove ineffective. this is very troubling that these allies are not getting
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along. we have issues with iran, but we also have bigger issues, megyn, in the middle east; syria, egypt, iraq. there's a lot going on here, and this relationship is troubled. megyn: how unusual is it for top administration officials within the united states to come out so publicly against a strategy by our close ally, israel, as we have been doing over the past days and weeks and then to have israel publicly express its dissatisfaction with america in this way? >> well, it's clear that both sides are unhappy with the private conversations that have taken place. you noted that the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff dempsey had been there, the national security adviser had been there, we're going to have visits from senior israeli officials in the coming days, and when they meet privately, they're not coming to agreement, so they feel like they need to come out publicly for audiences in the united states, for audiences in israel and around
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the world to hear about their disagreement to try to persuade the other side to their, to their view. megyn: what kind of message does this send to iran in the meantime, to see this split between the united states and israel? >> they must be quite happy. you know, they see -- they're worried about the united states and israel coming together to really force, perhaps, militarily deal with iran's nuclear program. but if these two sides are divided, they must be quite heartened by this and think the future is better than they expected it might be. megyn: peter brooks, thank you. earlier today iran issued new threats saying it may act preemptively against its enemies if its vital interests are threatened. it is now publicly talking about a preemptive strike against israel's preemptive strike. leland vittert has more on this live from jerusalem now. leland? >> reporter: megyn, it seems though many here argue the cold war is are heating up beyond a
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war of words. iran is largely blamed for those bombings that injured an israeli diplomat in india and also targeted other israeli dip diplomatic postings around the world. israel has been blamed for the assassination of a new iranian scientists. going forward iran can continue this violence, they can go one step further, having their proxy, hezbollah and hamas, launch strikes against israel. a war here would certainly take the focus off iran and its nuclear program short term. lastly, remember, iran also had missiles which are capable of coming into israel and hitting the israeli population centers. and also you have to look at this in the larger context of the middle east. israel and the united states have a lot fewer friends today than they did two years ago, so there's not many people that either the u.s. or israel can pick up the phone, call who have the kind of power to call iran and try to invoke a little bit
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of reason into this situation that is certainly heating up. megyn: so far, leland, all we're hearing is, you know, reports of this, reports of that. what do the israeli political leaders say publicly about these reports of israel attacking iran's nuclear program within the coming months? >> reporter: it seems as though israeli officials right now are feeling bullied would be the best word. front page of the large daily newspaper here, israel to united states: you are helping iran. it doesn't get any clearer than that. over the past month or so, we've had a number of high-ranking u.s. officials come to israel. they have a very clear message to try to persuade israel not to strike. the defense minister for israel is going to the united states, same topic. in a couple of weeks, the prime minister is heading back to washington to talk with pram l ma. look at that, though, in context as a number of analysts have. over the past two years, prime minister netanyahu has won a lot
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of political points here in israel and with the jewish lobby back home by publicly defying president obama. so all the public lobbying by the united states could certainly backfire on the president because the last thing the israelis want to be seen at either in the middle east or the world and especially in the eyes of iran is as a u.s. pawn, and that's something that's going to factor into the decision making process. megyn: leland vittert, thank you so much. we are live at the white house briefing room where we're awaiting reaction to the rising tensions now in the middle east. is the obama administration sending the wrong message to iran at the wrong time as israeli leaders believe? "the wall street journal" today coming out and saying the comments by our senior administration officials have put us closer to war with iran. we will put these questions to ambassador john bolton just a bit from right now, right here
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on "america live." well, new concerns today about our fragile economy. gas prices are soaring. according to aaa, the the national average is now $3.57 for a regular gallon of gas. and to give you an idea of the toll it is taking on just one community, take a look at cincinnati. l today a gallon of gas will cost you $3.47. a week ago it was nearly 20 cents cheaper. and a year ago it was 40 cents cheaper. of course, these hikes can have a big impact on everything consumers do and buy. more money in the tank means less money for dinner and for hiring and for all sorts of other consequences result. in 20 minutes stu varney will join us on how big the risks are of these rising gas prices to our economic recovery. ♪ megyn: a growing mystery over the disappearance of a top south carolina businessman. a 61-year-old man, tom, was last seen leaving his office saturday around noon.
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his car was left in its usual parking spot. police can't rule out foul play at this point, they're hoping this man's credit card and cell phone records may offer some clues on his whereabouts. jonathan serrie has the latest on this mystery life in atlanta. jonathan? >> reporter: a mystery indeed, megyn. friends say it's completely out of character for tom not to answer his phone, but that's what's been going on since midday saturday. the prominent lobbyist and ceo of the south carolina 40 o by tagty association was always in contact with people. he's married, he has three grown children, but neither his family, nor friends have heard from him since midday saturday. that's when he was last seen near his office in downtown columbia. when family reported him missing, police searched the building and found his car outside. they're canvassing nearby businesses to see if security camera video provides any clues. they're also correcting cell phone and credit card records, and the family has sponsored a
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facebook page to get the word out. he is 160 pounds, balding with gray hair and usually wears blasss. police are asking anyone with information to call midland's crime stoppers. 1-888-crime-sc. so far the family is getting a lot of sympathy but very few answers. megyn? megyn: jonathan, thank you. l. well, a chilling warning from presidential hopeful newt gingrich. >> we have in a world -- we are in a world that is very dangerous, and i say this to those of you who represent the next generation because you're going to bear the consequences. we are really at risk someday in your lifetime of losing an american city. megyn: why that warning, and what is it based on? answers and the debate three minutes away. plus, is this a lesson in democracy in action or the indoctrination of teenagers? we'll tell you who's offering a summer course on the occupy wall street movement. and spending your golden
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an american flag as onlookers were heard shouting, burn it, burn it. there have been several hundred arrests at these protests across the country. ♪ meg heg well, rhetoric on the campaign trail is never a particular surprise, but presidential candidate newt gingrich has leveled quite a charge at president obama, suggesting now that if mr. obama stays in office for a second term, the very security of our country is at risk. this speech happened yesterday in tulsa, oklahoma. >> barack obama is the most dangerous president in modern american history. [applause] someone was arrested over the weekend for trying to blow up the u.s. capitol. they happened to be from morocco. under the obama administration's willful dishonesty, it would be
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highly inappropriate to describe what motivated them because that would be somehow politicallyic correct. -- incorrect. across the planet today, the forces of replishes oppression are on the march, and this administration has intellectually disarmed, it is morally disarmed. when somebody who's a major in the u.s. army at fort hood kills 13 americans and wounds 30, carries in his wallet warrior of allah, when ahmadinejad, the dictator of iran gets up and says israel can be e eliminated from the face of the earth, we should assume he means it. so defeating barack obama becomes, in fact, a duty of national security. [applause] because the fact is, he is incapable of defending the united states. we are in a world that is very
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dangerous, and i say this to those of you who are, represent the next generation because you're going to bear the consequences. we are really at risk someday in your lifetime of losing an american city. megyn: joining me now, leslie marshall, a syndicated radio talk show host, and lars larsen, he's with compass media networks. panel, so he went -- i mean, you heard just a few snippets, but he went on and on and on and really took it to an interesting place. i mean, he's the most dangerous president in u.s. history. that it's the duty of national security to vote him out of office. he's incapable of defending the united states. and then in the same breath talking about how we are at risk of losing an american city. leslie, did he go too far? >> this is, i've always said the thing about newt gingrich is he'll come out x he'll say something brilliant like we've seen him do when he was asked
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about his personal life. and then he reminds us, in my opinion, how crazy he is. if this is really how newt gingrich feels and, lars, i thought you were going to maybe agree with me on this, we will see -- >> are you kidding? this is nothing but fear mongering, this is i am losing against romney and santorum, and this is hypocritical. because if this is how newt gingrich truly feels, then what was the outrage, the outcry for the resignation of george w. bush after september 11th when not a thwarted attack, an unfortunately successful attack by 19 hijackers killed over 3,000 people? megyn: go ahead, lars. >> and yet here's the problem, leslie, you didn't answer the question. did he go too far? absolutely, he didn't go too far. what gingrich -- >> i said, yes. >> somebody did try to blow up the capitol this weekend. we've had terrorist incidents throughout this country, and this is a president who won't stand up to confront radical islam, he won't stand up to
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confront iran, he will, apparently, allow iran to get the bomb which it's already said what it plans to do with it which is destroy israel and destroy the united states if they possibly can. he is a dangerous president, and i'd agree with newt gingrich's assessment. megyn: he's talking, leslie, about he doesn't like president obama's policy when it comes to israel, he thinks the policies right now are increasing our problems with respect to that region not helping them, he talks about how you can't, basically, he won't use the words radical i lam, that seems -- islam, saying we've intellectually disarmed by not calling fort hood what it actually was and going on from there saying there's a political correctness that's undermining our security. does he have a point there? >> no, because i don't think what you call it. what you call it is mad men, terrorists, murders, you technically can't be any religion and want to kill anybody. it's against the ten
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commandments which islam, judaism, all christianity, catholics, protestants, mormons, etc., subscribe to. >> leslie's a good example -- >> who does not protect this country when he made the phone call to take out osama bin laden, and this was a thwarted attempt -- not a successful attempt -- this is nothing but fear mongering, and you know it. megyn: lars? >> megyn, it does matter what you call it, leslie. words do matter, to quote barack hussein obama. he couldn't say jihad if he had a mouthful of it. the fact that we've had to change our language, we can't call terrorist incidents, we can't call them terrorists. that does change the way that you address a problem, leslie, and you are well aware of this. the fact that the united states government changes the way it speaks so that it doesn't want to cause any kind of upset in the muslim world is disturbing to most of us, and it's dangerous to the country. megyn: let me start with you, lars, the allegation that barack obama is, quote, incapable of
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defending the united states when he did take out osama bin laden and when he's been criticized by many on the left for continuing surveillance programs and related programs that were started under the bush administration. i mean, the left is unhappy with how he's done that. >> megyn, i'll address that -- megyn: we're going to go to lars on that. >> listen, here's the problem with that. if all you do is blow terrorists up on the ground with missiles from predator drones, you don't get any intelligence out of them. this president is incapable because he doesn't want to do the kind of extraction of information that actually produced the location of bin laden. if you look at where most of that information came from, it came from the bush administration that allowed us to get close enough to him. right now barack obama would rather blow people up at a distance with missiles than capture them and extract the information. that's the problem. megyn: leslie, he didn't say under a second term of barack obama, but it came up in the same context as the remarks we just listened to.
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is that too much? i mean, even a veiled suggestion that we're going to lose an american city if we elect the wrong president, too much? >> oh, beyond too much. i think americans are smarter than that, i don't care what their ideology is. it's clear desperation. you can see the sweat on his brow. he's not going to be standing on the platform. this is his last shot at this most likely, and he knows the american people know better. we're not going to lose an american city because we have not only a great country, we have one of, if not the greatest military in the world, and we have a great pentagon that works with the president whether that president's a democrat or republican. let's be honest -- megyn: he said within your lifetime, so he extended it quite a ways -- >> i'm going to live longer than him, though, megyn. [laughter] megyn: thank you both so much. >> thank you, megyn. megyn: breaking news on the obama administration and its relationship with israel. a new i effort by the president
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megyn: the happiest place on earth not so happy for one man in california. he was allegedly drunk and arrested for assaulting workers at disneyland, the whole thing captured on a cell phone camera. check it out. >> calm down! >> my god, what are you, drunk? stop! >> chill out. >> watch out, dude. megyn: knocked to the ground and pepper sprayed, but that did not
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stop this 53-year-old man. he gets right back up and takes another swing. we don't know what caused the man to be acting this way, but he was eventually taken down by the pepper spray and several park rangers sitting on him as he screamed. video getting a lot of attention on the internet. ♪ megyn: as the republican primary season continues to unfold, there is now growing talk of a so-called brokered convention. a situation where no one gop candidate manages to secure the necessary number of delegates. mitt romney has managed to maintain a steady lead since announcing his candidacy, but he has struggled at times with having to recapture the spotlight away from his rivals, and he has three big losses in the month of february. shannon bream live in our d.c. bureau with more. >> reporter: well, megyn, there's clearly an internal gop split on this with some saying the possibility of going into the august convention without a
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clear nominee is beyond remote. but others are quietly acknowledging it could happen, and political analyst says larry sabato says hold on tight. >> the candidates are the brokers until after the first ballot. they lose their dell -- delegates after the first ballot. but until that first ballot takes place, the candidates are the brokers. so, you know, you don't have party bosses anymore. it's not like the old days. so the long and short is it's not probable, but it is possible. >> reporter: sabato also says there's a slim chance a new face could get into the mix, someone like jeb bush, chris christie or mitch daniels but not without significant challenges, not to mention the fact that all three have repeatedly said publicly they're not going to run. taking on a brand new, untested candidate this late in the game or even later could be devastating because it could alienate millions of primary voters who already cast their
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ballots. one thing the various experts do seem to agree on is it would not be good for the gop to get to august without that clear nominee and spend several days fighting it out on national television at a time when the gop needs to be convincing voters their nominee can go head to head with president obama. megyn? megyn: shannon bream, thank you. well, this crisis with iran's nuclear program appears to be getting worse as the republic blocks u.n. inspectors today and threatens a first strike on the enemies that it feels are threatening it. just ahead, reaction from someone who for years has worked to keep nukes out of iran's hands. ambassador john bolton is here. plus, this ought to make cows happier. burgers that will soon come out of the test tube, not the farm. but will folks dig in? will you be moo-v-e-d to try such a burger? [laughter] and a tribute to whitney
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megyn: fox news alert, the white house moments ago addressing the issue of soaring gas prices. spokesman jay carney saying, quote, there is to magic
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solution to rising oil prices and the pain americans feel at the pump. gas prices have been climbing steadily for the past few months. now they are up more than 40 cent cents a gallon versus this time a year ago and up more than 90% over the past three years. mike tobin from chicago where it's taking a bite out of small businesses in a real way. >> reporter: you know, megyn, these rising gas prices make it tough for just about every business, and no one knows that better than restaurant owners because they can't necessarily shift the costs onto their customers. we looked into the bona beef restaurant here in chicago, it costs more to get can everything into the restaurant, they also operate catering and delivery, they've got to fuel up the delivery cuts. that cuts into the bottom line, and still there's only so much you can charge for a sandwich. >> we've upgraded to smaller, fuel efficient vehicles. we look at everything, you know, again, there's no question as that rises, it's a cost that we
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have to be concerned with, so as we look at everything, we consider all possibilities. but certainly as a family-owned company, we certainly don't want to ever, you know, impact our work force or anything else. but we try to be creative with how we'll solve that problem. >> reporter: and looking at the price of a gallon of regular here downtown chicago, it's about 23 cents above the national average. you look around at the gas station here, it look like any gas station, people are still out, supporting those inflated prices, and the experts say they'll do that until we reach that tipping point of about $5 a gallon. megyn: well, our rain room team did some -- brain room did some digging, and listen to this. families spend an average of $840 more on gasoline last year. that meant around 92 billion less went into the rest of the economy x this year's tab is looking to be a whole lot higher. fox business network's stu varney is the host of varney if
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company and -- "varney & company," obviously, consumers feel that at the pump, but it has a much broader effect on the u.s. economy. in what way? >> yeah. this is shot a high international finance -- this is not a high international finance story, this is a brass roots story of prices hitting people on the ground floor. up go gas prices, down goes the confidence of families and small businesses. it raises costs, it cuts into profits, and that hurts hiring and can economy. megyn: talk about the confidence piece of it first. what do you mean? >> sure. we've got a man who runs a catering company in nape l les, florida. now it costs him $100 every time he fills up his cargo truck. he's looking to the future and thinking, you know, that's not good. confidence down because of the immediate cost of gas to him. it raises costs to all small businesses. we've found a do-it-yourself store online, green bay, wisconsin, their shipping costs
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are up. that destroys -- it doesn't destroy their confidence, but it makes them feel a little bitless about the future, and up go their costs. megyn: so maybe then they don't hire an extra person, so it sort of has a trickle-down effect. >> a pizza operator, costs him 10% more to get the food and supplies into his place, that comes right out of his profits, so he doesn't hire that extra person. megyn: separate and apart from the individual pain people feel, we're talking about by april or may according to some estimates you could see $5 a gallon in some parts of the country. are we talking about a situation where what some view and say is a fragile economic recovery right now, that is in jeopardy because of rising gas prices? >> oh, clearly, yes. if you get to $5 a gallon for regular unleaded -- not premium, but regular unleaded, that's a buck and a quarter, buck and a half above where we are now, it would clearly have a huge,
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negative effect on the economy for the reasons we just outlined. costs go up, profits go down, hiring less, economy goes down. megyn: there is a reason that the white house pays such close attention to this, and in part it may have to do with the approval ratings. we put this chart together just from february. this is the highest february ever, they say, for gas prices. never been higher in february. and take a look at president obama's approval rating versus the gas prices. you know which one is the gas prices, it's the green line, up, up, up, up, up, the whole month. and look at what happened when it got to be about $3.50 in the middle of the month. you can see what's happened with the president's approval rating. i don't know whether that's the only thing factoring in, but it can't be helping. >> no. of t obviously a part of the decline of his approval rating. there is a correlation between rising gas prices and slightly falling approval rating for the incumbent in the white house. megyn: people hold it against the person in the white house even if, you know, he can't
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necessarily do anything about it immediately. broader policy. suddenly it's back to drill, baby, drill and so on. >> scott rasmussen shows a poll that says nearly half of americans are living paycheck to paycheck. they reach that no more money much earlier, they start cutting things. they respond with their vote. megyn: we talked about this yesterday, about the timing of the denial of the keystone oil pipeline may not have been so great for president obama, denying that and seeing the gas price spike, just psychologically people may hold it against the administration. >> and mr. carney's now saying there is no silver bull. megyn: no magic solution. but he already said there's no silver bullet. >> well, people look to the white house, they want something done. they don't like $4 gas, do something. megyn: yeah. it cost me $75 the other day to fill up my tank, and you're talking about people with vans, $100 a tank.
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>> i've got a chrysler town and country van, there are 90 to fill -- $70 to fill it up the other day. megyn: it's a lot. stu, thank you. israeli leaders are publicly complaining about how the obama administration is handling the crisis over iran's nuclear program, sending a message of weakness to the leaders in tehran and suggesting as a result we're all getting closer, not farther away, from war. up next, john bolton, the former u.s. ambassador to the united nations, weighs in right here. plus, a woman hits her head after getting tasered by police, it's all caught on camera. look at this. she is now this a vegetative state, and her family has dropped a lawsuit on the police. we'll take a look in today's kelly's court and give you a closer look at the video. and every day thousands more americans work retirement age, but we look at their options and what it means for everyone else in the work force. ♪
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>> there is an international consensus around the idea that it is the problem here is iranian bad behavior, their refusal to live up to their international obligations. now, we feel as i've said and others have said and, most importantly, the president has said that there is time and space for diplomacy to work for the effective sanctions to result in a change this iranian behavior, an agreement by iran to live up to its obligations, to engage this negotiations and resolve this matter peacefully. megyn: white house press secretary jay carney just a few moments ago discussing iran's
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nuclear program and the showdown we are now seeing. at the top of the hour, we showed you how israeli leaders are calling out the obama administration about how it is handling rising tensions between israel and iran. israel says some interviews by members of the administration are, quote, only serving iran's interests. joining me now, former u.s. ambassador to the u.k., john bolton, also a fox news contributor. you have the administration clearly going on the record with this, giving a report to one reporter, the defense secretary suggesting israel's about to unleash a preemptive strike. then very publicly suggesting the same. and being critical of them doing that. and now you have israel essentially coming back and caying you are -- saying you are making the situation worse for us, we're very dissatisfied, we're unhappy. and you've got jay carney coming out and saying there's still time and space for diplomacy to work, and israel's saying you're ruining that.
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you're upping the rhetoric to the point where you're endangering the situation. does israel have a point? >> well, i think diplomacy has long passed any possibility of succeeding here. they've been at it for 20 years, they're within a year, i think it could be sooner than that, so it's no wonder that israel is concerned. and i think what you see on the part of the obama administration is three years of trying to be private, so they've gone public. megyn: general dempsey's comments, he spoke to this over the weekend and really was critical of israel's reported plan to come out and strike them, the "wall street journal" said his comments will have the effect of making war more likely, not less likely -- this is the journal owned by the same parent company as fox -- weakness invites war, they said. >> yeah. it says to the iranian leadership that the white house is not prepared to take u.s.
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military action, and that's a big burden off of iran's consciousness because the u.s. could do this thoroughly, completely and without any doubt of the outcome. for israel to strike puts them at the very limit of their capacity militarily, but it's why the spotlight is on israel now, because if iran gets a nuclear weapon, they will be almost immune from attack. megyn: was -- because what we should be doing is scaring the living daylights out of iran right now, we're essentially the same, you mess with israel, you mess with us. and the feeling in the editorial is that will help stop iran from doing anything crazy. >> well, i regret i don't think that's going to be enough. i think we're down to two options, and i think we've been down to two options for quite some time. one, and the most likely is, iran gets nuclear weapons. these sakss have not -- sanctions have not worked, so the betting is now on the new
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sanctions. you don't think iran hasn't prepared for these sanctions? you think they've been waiting for us to slap them silly? of course not. getting international oil prices up brings them in more money, so even if they sell fewer barrels, if they're making more per barrel, that mitigates the effect of the sanctions. and as time goes by the most precious asset of all here is time, iran gets steady hi closer to a nuclear weapon. megyn: what do you make of the comments by the deputy armed forces head in iran who came out today saying our strategy now is that if we feel our enemies want to endanger iran's national interests, we will act without waiting for their actions suggesting they'll preemptively strike israel -- >> before israel preemptively -- megyn: -- strikes iran. >> exactly. and they would have hezbollah from its position in lebanon rocket innocent israeli civilians. and it would require israel to focus on protecting it
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civilians, put it air force over lebanon and not over iran. the middle east is a conspiracy-filled area, and people have been talking about this as a possibility for some time. megyn: we talked with leland vittert at the top of the show about the israeli papers, and he held up one and said the headline is, addressing the united states, you're helping iran. out of israel's plan to attack, that we are putting dailings between us and israel by being critical and leading iran to believe we're not going to have israel's back necessarily if we go ahead with this plan. >> i think it goes beyond that. i think the administration fears an israeli strike more than a nuclear weapon. and all this talk you hear about the white house saying give diplomacy a chance, objectively speaking, gives iran time and space to finish its work on a nuclear weapon. what diplomatic outcome is
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acceptable to the united states? we don't want them to have nuclear weapons, they clearly do. what's the compromise? a small nuclear weapons program? i don't think so. diplomacy has failed, it has zero chance of succeeding. if you're not ready to use military force, get ready for an iran with nuclear weapons. that's the path we're going on. and be i think any other view is just, unfortunately, totally unrealistic. megyn: and israel's already said iran will not have nuclear weapons, it just won't. >> they've struck at adversaries twice before with nuclear programs, so there's a precedent. megyn: ambassador, thank you, sir. >> thank you. megyn: straight from the lap instead of the stockyards. environmentalists applaud the idea, but would you eat beef that came from a test tube? we'll show you who will in three minutes. plus, 90 year young and still got it. the story behind this grandma's touching dance moves.
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megyn: fans around the world paying tribute to whitney houston, but with wait until you see this. a 90-year-old grandmother can becoming a huge internet sensation all because she really wants to dance with somebody. watch. ♪ it's the light of day that shows me how. ♪ and when the night falls, the loneliness calls. ♪ oh, i want to dance with somebody, i want to feel the heat with somebody. megyn: she looks great!
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she is close to tears in telling the camera the following about the late singer: >> she was one of a kind and wonderful, and you just enjoyed every minute she was singing no matter what she sung. megyn: good for her. her grandson has a facebook page called my 90-year-old grandmother. he posts videos and sayings from her,s this is just one of many, but on youtube it has received about 600,000 hits so far. i should start one of these for nana, she says i get around okay. i do all right, megyn. and then she says i'm 96 years old, ain't that revolting? [laughter] well, a group of scientists say they are just months away from cooking up the first hamburger grown entirely in a lab using stem cells. this weekend they announced they replicated enough cows' cells to be the basis of these test tube franken burgers. some say this could be the best way to meat the growing global
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demand for meat. julie banderas, would you eat one of these? >> reporter: no. [laughter] but you know what? i think many might agree. megyn: in 20 years we're probably going to be eating this and laughing at the day we said we wouldn't do it. >> i've got a taste test for you later, i'll tell you about someone who actually tasted it. the world's first test tube hamburger will soon be served up after scientists perfected the art of growing beef, apparently. researchers expect after producing their first patty they're going to be able to scale up the process to create affordable, artificial meat products. scientists in canada say mass producing beef, pork, chicken and lamb could also satisfy the growing global demand for meat forecast to double in the next many years and dramatically reduce the harm down by farming to the environment.
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without killing them, the professor heading this program says the most efficient way of taking the process forward would still involve slaughter. the hope is to limit the herd and each animal would be able to produce about a l million times more meat than through the traditional method of butchering. speaking at the hearn academy of advancement of science, the team has successfully replicated the process and says we are going to provide a proof of concept showing out of stem cells we can make a product that looks, feels and hopefully tastes like meat. and, well, as you can probably guess, reaction is mixed, heggen. megyn: saf serum. we'll talk think about that durg the break. >> reporter: oh, and calf fetuses. megyn: thank you for that. breaking news on the gop primary. brand new polls on how the fight is stacking up in michigan, and
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megyn: rick santorum putting points on the board against against mitt romney. i'm megyn kelly. the latest real clear politics average of polls shows it all. santorum with a 6-point lead nationally over romney followed by newt gingrich and ron paul who are trailing considerably. now take a look at what's happening in michigan. released by rasmussen reports. currents numbers on the left. last week's numbers on the right. santorum has the lead in
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michigan. this is mitt romney's home state. this father served three terms as governor. mitt romney campaigned for his dad there. his wife is from michigan. is it gape over if romney loses the michigan primary which happens tuesday? joining me now independent pollster scott rasmussen. those numbers are not what the romney camp would like. and nonetheless, you are showing santorum has a legitimate lead. >> if you focus on people who say they are absolutely certain they won't change their mind, the race is dead even. it's among those who are still considering their options. those are the people the romney campaign is hoping to sway with the ad campaign. other important thing to keep in mind is we have seen other races swaying in the final races.
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megyn: when you ask who has got the best chances in the general election. romney or santorum, 43% said mitt romney. he's got the best chances. only 29% says rick santorum has the best chances. and yet ander to number fleegd michigan according to your polls. explain that. >> first of all, to some people electability isn't all they care about. they want to make sure whoever wins the white house is able to bring about change. megyn: how do you win the white house if you are the most electable. >> two out of three voters in michigan believe rick santorum can beat barack obama. but two third are saying santorum can win in november. megyn: how is mitt romney supposed to get past these
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numbers? i mean, michigan, right? everybody says it's his, don't worry about it. he's going to win michigan. how is he supposed to turn this around? >> the thing he's got to do is convince people who are inclined or willing to vote for him to get to the polls and go out and vote. remember mitt romney has been running an inevitability campaign where he says i'm going to win this thing. that's changed now. he's in michigan saying i must have your support. if you don't come out to vote for me, i'm going to lose this race. we know if he loses his native michigan it casts long shadows other prospects for winning the nomination. megyn: is that true, chris? we in the news world are saying if he loses michigan, never mind michigan and arizona. forget it. but is that true? does the average joe sitting at home care about those two states or do you look at the overall
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race and delegate count and understand super tuesday is another day and that's not until march. >> rick santorum is living off the land. he has got to keep winning. he has only had caucus wins that aren't binding. they don't give hip the delegates, they give him momentum. on super tuesday this is a massive election. a lot of delegates at stake. if he doesn't come out this presuper tuesday warmup with a good showing and the ability to say he's in the fight to go, the danger cop that republicans say let's celt on romney and go away. megyn: are you seeing anything different in the santorum surge than you saw in the gingrich and perry surge? anything in the numbers to suggest this will be more sustained? >> there is something different. with the other frontrunners when
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we posed a head-to-head matchup romney came out on top or tied with any other challenger. right now rick santorum is abofd 7 point nationally and in michigan. his favorability ratings are equal to mitt romney's and the passion is stronger for rick santorum. so those are different. i think the reality is if rick santorum wins in michigan, it becomes very difficult for the romney campaign to be continue with their argument and their campaign won't be over but they will be clear underdogs. it doesn't mean santorum will win, but things will change. if mitt romney wins in michigan and arizona, the race is effectively over. megyn: what about gingrich? >> gingrich will be hoping for a split decision. he can come in the next week with a good showing in georgia.
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he can show he's the pick of southern conservatives. megyn: okay, guys, thank you both so as much. rick santorum's growing popularity visible in this war chest as well. according to campaign document, santorum raised $4.5 million in january. that's 6% of all the money he raised so far. a pro-santorum super pac just returned a $50,000 donation because it came from scene overseas contributor. foreign money is illegal in the elections. a spokesman said the donation came from an american executive but was mistakingly drawn from the foreign bank account. the white house speaking to the showdown with iran over that country's nuclear program saying there is time and space for diplomacy to work still. that comes as we are seeing key members of the president's defense and intelligence team in
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a nonstop campaign to find consensus with israel. first we saw the president of the joint chiefs of staff go to tel aviv. then donnelly traveled over seas and held key meetings with israel. now james clapper is heading to tel aviv. why are they all going to israel right now in advance of netanyahu's visit to the white house? national security correspondent jennifer griffin is live at the pentagon. >> in a bizarre twist two days after there were reports that iranian destroyer vessels docked in a syrian port, we are being told by pentagon officials that there is no evidence in fact that those iranian war ships ever made it as far as syria. we are told that in fact they loiter in the mediterranean.
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they did not go as far as the syrian port. and now those vessels have made their way back through the suez canal and it's not clear why they turned back it many not clear whether they had fuel or mechanical problems. they did not make it to syria. this comes as a general in the iranian armed forces threatened a preemptive strike against israel and its allies. quote, our strategy now is if we feel our enemies want to endanger iran's national interest we'll act without waiting for their actions. meanwhile the u.s. has managed to convince three of the to buyers of iranian oil to cut back their purchases by between 10% to 20%. with china agreeing to reduce consumption by 20% and japan negotiating for a waiver with the u.s. government if it cuts 10% of its iranian purchases.
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those nuclear inspectors from the u.n. as part after two-davis sit will not be given access to any iranian nuclear scientists and they will not be granted permission to go to the military complex where they suspect a secret weapons program is taking place. megyn: the white house an hour ago announced new speech by president obama to a key israeli lobbying group. what about the relationship between the president and the prime minister netanyahu. michael reagan is with us live on what kind of impact president obama meeting with the israeli prime minister could have. more and more baby boomers working during their golden years. the sad reality that could impact the next generation. and brand-new video of a controversial takedown. a woman on the run suffering severe brain damage. after she was tasered by police
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megyn: in just the last hour the white house announced the president will speak to a key israeli lobbying group a day bev has an important meeting with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. their relationship has long been considered a rocky one. in 2009 president obama told the u.n. general assembly that he did not accept the they egypt ma i of israeli settlements. an reportedly walked out on netanyahu at the white house. that caused quite a stir.
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then a few months ago president obama and french president sarkozy were heard on an open mike, where the french president said netanyahu is a liar and the president saying, "i have to deal with him every day." the relationship is different than the relationship he had with another ally. margaret thatcher called him the second most important man in her life, that relationship was key to negotiating important things between the countries. michael reagan is a political consultant and chairman of the reagan group. that was a true friendship between president reagan your dad and margaret thatcher. true friendship can help in
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difficult times like now. >> it helps to have good friend out there in the world we live in. my father and margaret thatcher, britain and the united states, friend forever. they have so much to accomplish together, what was going on in the world. what was going on in the soviet union and the cold war. they needed to be able to bond to be able to work together to help bring down the berlin wall, help to end the cold war, and what have you. my father -- one thing he wasn't worried about, he wasn't worried about who got the credit. there are too many people today who worry about who is getting the credit and because of that we get nothing done. megyn: we talk about the history between president obama and benjamin netanyahu. they talk about this visit netanyahu made to the white house in 2010 in which the president is said to have left
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the white house. there was a snub, they said, by the president of netanyahu after repeated tensions between the two men. is this the fault of president obama or is this the fault of netanyahu who was not differential enough to not just the american president but the united states of america? >> i think this president has trouble with israel -- any one of our allies. he keeps on blaming the united states and our allies for every ill in the world we live in today. benjamin netanyahu, prime minister of israel every day has to worry about rockets being thrown into his country killing israelis and killing children. the only friend they can depend on is the united states of america. that has been there since 1948 we have been there. you have a president here that didn't even say to benjamin
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netanyahu, reaffirm the security that we are going to be part of with israel until march of 2011 after he had been president of the united states for two years? after that he walked out on him. the things he said with sarkozy. it is a cold relationship it was back in march of 2010 i believe the israel write delegation was saying it's the worst relationship we have had in 30-plus years between israel and the united states. i think that's because the president of the united states has never seen israel as an ally. he has seen it really as an enemy. megyn: they called netanyahu's visit to the white house a hazing in stages because they said our president walked out on him. then would not dine with him, the israeli prime minister was kept waiting with this advisors. one israeli paper said later the
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israeli prime minister received the treatment reserved for the president of guinea. >> why are we in this situation? why is israel in a situation where they may have to pull what they did in 1981 in baghdad with iraq? because the united states of america has not proven to be their friend. and be by their side in order to stave off that kind of a situation. i mean, this president of the united states, i think it was back -- i think it was november of 2011. he was in new york in a dinner and actually talked about that he was the best president for the security of israel. of any president in the history of the united states of america. he even talked about the fact that he hated to pat himself on the back, but he just had to
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because he's such an important guy. i'm telling you israel does not feel that way. israel is in a pofertion wondering if the -- israel is in a position of wondering whether the united states will be there should they have to go into iran to take out the nukes. this president needs to be a friend to israel. this is not the time as margaret thatcher would say as she said to george h.w. bush, now is not the time to go wobbly. megyn: you talk about the relationship margaret thatcher had with your dad. two allies who were close but did not always agree. but it seemed like they were chummy. the invasion of grenada, she was upset, she didn't get the heads up. what did your dad do to smooth that over. >> sent her a dozen roses. he kept that so close to the vest, he didn't tell the members of congress he approved going
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into grenada until our planes were ready to land. he had the leaders of the congress up to the white house for dinner, he was ready to tell them we were about ready to land. one of the aides walked in, and the light went on with my dad. oh, my god, i forgot to tell maggie thatch i are we were flying through her air space. he gets on the phone with her, promised to send her a dozen rose and apologizes to her. he told her why and she understood why. he didn't tell anybody because he was worried about leaks coming out of our own congress that would cause american lives to be lost. megyn: there is a lesson in there for a lot of world leaders. there is some benefit to having a true friendship with the folks running -- the allied countries
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with whom you will ally yourself. >> everything my father did, he lived by his statement that he had on his desk. there is no limit to what a man can accomplish if he doesn't care who in fact gets the credit. and he's lived by that, made friend with margaret thatcher. made friend with pope john paul. mikhail gorbachev, and it changed the world. this president does not have friend. i don't think he even wants them. megyn: there is a new investigation out allege the administration found a way to quote buy votes on controversial pieces of legislation. up next, jim angle shows us the details. a dream date for a little girl with a big challenge. >> she has gone through a lot. when we got the notice for this, she was completely shocked. and my husband last night said
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megyn: he was cleared on rape charges in new york, but one of the world's most powerful bankers is facing new worries. dominique strauss-kahn being questioned by police for alleged ties to a prostitution ring. prostitutes telling investigators they had multiple encounters with him in paris and washington, d.c. over the last two years. strauss-kahn's lawyers say he didn't know the women were prostitutes. he didn't know. well, there is a new
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investigation out from the heritage foundation, that group claims administration officials traded earmarks for badly needed congressional votes on key pieces of president obama's agenda. jim angle joins us now. report report conservative heritage foundation is charging the obama administration sent earmarks to democratic earmarks to convince them to vote for cap and trade or the healthcare law. >> when you exam minute recipients of those grants there were 32 vulnerable house democrats who received significant grant money after the votes on those pieces of legislation. >> reporter: the lawmakers did tout at length the amount of money they got for various
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projects. they spiked around the next difficult vote. cap and trade was tough for democrats from the midwest and elsewhere because even the president acknowledged it would cause energy prices to sky rocket and the healthcare law remains controversial even today with a majority in many polls continuing to oh poise. so earmarks for local projects gave lawmakers something else to hang their hats on. never theless, the white house argued nothing was amiss. >> the fact of the matter is, i'm confident the issuance of grants through agencies, that process is done on a merit-based -- in a merit-based way. >> reporter: president obama didn't invent the practice. president roosevelt used it.
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but president obama has vastly expanded the practice. >> the value of the administrative earmark under president obama increased 126%, and the actual number of administrative earmarks increased by 54%. >> reporter: dramatic increases in those numbers are from the non-partisan research service, not the heritage foundation. megyn: major controversy after a police takedown pawts young woman in a coma. a florida trooper is cleared after tasering his woman in the back. but with their daughter in a vegetative state, the family is about to sue. and it may be all work and no play for millions of americans. 10,000 baby boomers are reaching retirement age every day. we'll look at why many are waiting to call it quits.
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megyn: fox news alert. more from the white house about gas prices. press secretary jay carney saying the rising gas prices
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have been fueled by world markets including unrest and raped growth in emerging markets including india and china. the fact that this is happening only underscores the need to have a comprehensive energy policy. jay carney told reporters moments ago. millions of people will reach retirement age 65 in the next two decades. an incredible 10,000 people every day. but the recession hit baby boomers very hard. many losing pensions, their retirement and investment plans, at least losing value in those plans. if they own a home it's probably worth much less than they thought it would be. so instead relaxing and enjoying their golden years they will keep work into their 70s and beyond.
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so you tell me, rich, why are they doing it? they have to do it for all those reasons that we just cited or is it becoming more of just a choice, they want to keep working? >> it is becoming a choice. let's put the rock chair away, the norman rockwell pictures. they are exchanging that for running shoes and spin class. there is a healthy baby boomer generation is become healthier and they want to work. they don't want to just stop at age 65 and sit down and watch reruns of television shows anymore. megyn: i'm sure that's true for some of them. i think a lot of people want to hit 5 and take it easy, yet it's really hard. >> i think people are nervous. with unemployment at 8.3 per. the changing profile of the labor force. those of us who are lucky enough to have a job feel pressure to
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hold onto it. social security is in jeopardy. we don't know if we are going to have that benefit at 65. megyn: the latest numbers seem to suggest most of the boomers have confidence they will be okay for the next five years, short term they feel confident. but when you talk about long term and hopefully they will have long lives, the national average is over 77 years. they are worried. they are worried. >> i hate to be the bearer of bad news. a lost them should be worried. a lot of these boomers didn't start saving at a young age. they are realizing i don't have any money to retire on. megyn: a lot of people thought the social security would be there. >> and also the stock market. they think i can keep it in the market, and by the time i retire -- megyn: or my house. >> the stock market the last 13 years went nowhere. the house can market crashed so
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suddenly their retirement is gone. everything they planned on and relied on are now gone. megyn: i think about my mom's generation -- not my mom's so much but they seeped to be more savers. they seem to be more savers. if they are going out to work now do you think it is a function of the house loss value, my pension loss value or is it more of what you are saying, they want to get to the spin class. they are living life and that includes work and being out there. >> yes, yes, no. yes, housing markets are down. but understand savers. my parents, statistically saved up to 40% of their earnings. today the baby boomer anywhere from 2% to 10%. they are not savers. rent old bummer stickers who says he with the most toys wins? there was no savings.
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>> there is no incentive to save because interest rates are so low. i wassing in the with the stock market rally we are back to where we were before the 2008 financial crisis. so don't let the market scare you away from maxing out your retirement program. are we ever going to get to retire? let's say we want to. megyn: forget the spinning. you did enough spinning. now we want to relax. we want to be on a beach in florida. is that a reality for most americans now, hit age 5, take it easy? >> yes, it is. people my age if you are saving and you do it in the right way, sure, 30 years from now you will have plenty of money. megyn: most us live paycheck to paycheck. >> we live within our means ...
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megyn: that's how americans live? that's your wall street background talking. >> we have to raise the retirement age from 5 more people will play the employment tax. i also believe in this means testing where maybe not everybody should qualify for social security benefits because maybe i have $5 in the bank, but if i'm married to a millionaire i would qualify. >> anybody under the age of 40 should not be considering social security. megyn: even older than that. i remember when bernie madoff committed his huge scandal. you heard about 70-year-old brain surgeons who started taking jobs as taxi drivers because they lost everything and just needed to pay the bills. that seems to be happening more to regular american folks who didn't wind at 70 with the money they thought they would have.
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and they are essentially forced to go back to work and pay their bills and wonder how long they will be able to sustain themselves. that's a sad reality if these folks don't want to be work and they are forced to. >>it is happening more. there has to be a reality check. i have to understand -- i'm going to retire where? and to what? if i live in new york i may have to sell my home, move to a place where house is less expensive. so part of it is the compromise of square footage. you will live in a smaller home but hopefully your spouse is your home. megyn: how much is the equity in the house -- did a lot of people lose the retirement account they thought they had in the bricks and mortar around them? >> yes, they did. we all know the problems with housing. that's a delay in terms of getting dollars into your
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savings account. our parent are living longer. so what does that mean? first all, i have an obligation to help support them. they are not passing from the first disease, but they are living much long were the second disease, alzheimer's. they are living longer. megyn: 65 is the new 55. everything is getting shifted back to younger -- i don't know, you are dying later and you have longer lives and a longer time to live on retirement. and social security is not going to do it. so you have got to save. how much should i be saving? >> if you retire at 65 you could live another 20 years. 30 years. most people don't plan on that money. >> she is taking a job away from a 22-year-old person.
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this could be a spiraling down to the next generation. >> the criticism of social security was part of the new deal. megyn: i can remember when i was on "america's newsroom." there was the story of a 70-year-old woman who got robbed and she to bed the robbery by going on to her knees and praying. i said what is an 80-year-old woman doing work at 7-eleven. one of the guys wrote me and said the job of stupid anchor was already taken. but more -- point is more and more our senior citizens are taken. in the pinstripe suit going out to dinner three times a week. >> hosting business news at 80 years old. megyn: look at barbara walters.
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>> retirement should be a transition. not necessarily a by -- not necessarily a binary event. megyn: police takedown takes a tragic turn. a florida trooper tasers this young woman. she goes into a vegetative state after this and remains in it to this day. her family repairing a lawsuit. we'll bring you the details and talk about its chances next. @=h [ male announcer ] say goodbye to "ho-hum,"
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megyn: "kelly's court" is back in session. today a controversial takedown leading to a lawsuit. florida police release this brand-new video showing a handcuffed woman being tasered as she tries to run from a trierp. she suffered severe brain damage after hitting her head on the concrete. the video shows the moment that
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that happened. the 20-year-old is in a vegetative state. the family says they are about to sue. but police argue they did nothing wrong. it's disturbing but it will be exhibit a in the lawsuit her family is getting ready to file against these police officers. if you are representing the family how do you make it case that police overstepped their bound? >> i have got to tell you. i watched that video, tears came to my eyes. it's that painful to watch. this girl was taken into custody on a 6-month-old traffic warrant for hit-and-run, something minor, not violent. she was brought in, inappropriately cuffed in the front of her body and sat down and not restrained by anything. when she ran, this officer was literally three feet behind her when he fired his taser.
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in my mind this is taser-inzeused laziness' he could have grabbed her' he was three times her weight. but he zabd her with that gun that caused her to fuel like a redwood tree on concrete. experts agree after viewing this tape there are many other things that could have been done including simply grabbing her. i see this as being a powerful verdict against the police for excessive force and they could collect millions, megyn. megyn: can we see how close he was to her when he used the taser? whether it was possible to just -- he's very close, lis. he's very close. does that make a difference? the policy apparently is you are not supposed to use a taser on a prisoner that's handcuffed. this came as a tragedy.
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this poor girl will probably never recover. but there is more facts here. she was arrested earlier in the day, that's true for leaving the scene of two hit-and-run accidents. and she was handcuffed, then she tried to escape. she tried to get out of that custody which she shouldn't have done obviously. she was also megyn, this is important, she had cocaine and oxycontin in her system. she is legally contributory to her own demise. she put into place a lot of these facts that made this happen. did the police -- should he not have done that, could he have ran after her? of course. that would have bench better. but to his credit he saw behind the scenes she was running out to u.s.19, a major highway. he was worried he would get hit by a car if he went after her. he had her handcuffed and she is
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running away from him after leaving the scene of two hit-and-run accidents. two investigative pure owes have looked at him and cleared the trooper understood the policies that are in place. megyn: he has been cleared internally but not in a court of law. is there an exception to the don't taser if they are handcuffed. he says she was running toward a highway. is that an excuse after the fact? >> that's a cya excuse. how far is a woman going to get handcuffed in the front running. that goes to discipline charges or criminal charges potentially being filed against the officer. they cleared him of that. it won't have a major effect on the civil suit. the jury will see this video and they will probably react like i did. everybody who has a daughter -- my daughters are not behaved
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like this. megyn: a daughter with cocaine in her system with two hit-and-runs making an escape from supplies custody. she is not entirely without culpability. >> you are right. but megyn you feel tonight your heart this girl didn't deserve an end like she got. megyn: she didn't deserve that, but that's not the relevant question. the question is whether the tasering was justified. i will say this, lis. the cop said i knew i couldn't jump on her, i'm three times her weight. if we go down, both of us will get hurt. is that going to do it when the jury is looking at a 19-20-year-old who is brain dead. >> knowing she is high on cocaine and ox write continue. do i barrel myself on to her and
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maybe break some bones and we won't go down. megyn: i would find that more persuasive if he wasn't so close to her. good insight from both of you. thank you so much. we'll be right back. okay, team! after age 40, we can start losing muscle -- 8% every 10 years. wow. wow. but you can help fight muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor. what's revigor? it's the amino acid metabolite, hmb to help rebuild muscle and strength naturally lost over time.
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megyn: football star tim tebow has kept his love life a big secret. but for one girl from colorado her date with the broncos quarter banks almost all she can talk about. she suffers from a serious medical condition. after hearing about it, tebow showed one of his biggest fans the time of her life. >> i was very, very excited. >> reporter: she is only 10, but look at these pictures from
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her first date with tim tebow and other celebrities in l.a. >> i got to meet tim tebow and he's a thousand times fires in than you think he is. >> reporter: the disorder forms tumors under the skin, the nerves, brain and spinal cord. >> the hardest part is not knowing how it will manifest in her body. she has gone through a lot. when we got the notice for this, she was just completely shocked. and my husband said the whole weekend he had never seen her smile and be as happy as she was. >> he took me to the chocolate fountain in the middle of my dinner. >> he made her feel like she was a star which was amazing. >>
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>> reporter: presley still has a long road to travel. >> i can't even express how grateful we are for the opportunity she has had. >> reporter: and her dates parting words. >> thank you for being an amazing date. >> reporter: a date she says she'll never forget. megyn: good for him and good for you presley. hang in there, you look great. our thanks too dave young in colorado for that. new developments in the case against gabe watson, the man accused of killing his wife on their honeymoon. what a friend of tina watson is saying gabe did at the funeral. the latest on that coming up. [ male announcer ] drinking a smoothie with no vegetable nutrition?
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>> an incredible cliff rescue of two golden retrievers, all caught on camera in california. firefighters had to lower themselves down the cliff to reach the scar

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