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wicked weather this week between heat and rain storms and winds in excess of 100 mile per hour in texas, houston, where at least seven are confirmed dead. and hundreds are still without power. katie, how do things look there now? >> a new shift of workers have arrived this morning and their work is underway after some cleanup crews worked through the night and they're trying to board up a lot of the shattered windows in some of the downtown high rise office buildings and hotels. and you can see the work is cut out for them and there are a lot of windows they're going to have to take care of, all of this damage, caused by the strength of 100 mile per hour straightline winds that hit right in downtown houston. the cleanup and power restoration efforts are likely to take weeks, not days. more than 500,000 people in harris county here are still waking up in the dark. it's a huge concern as we enter the stretch of 90 degree days

coming up. we've been speaking with a lot of people on the ground between all of the downed trees, the downed transmission lines and now the delicate work here dealing with the disaster site downtown. some of the glass companies on site have been describing this work as dangerous and trying to step through broken windows, glass inside of the buildings and they say every single floor of some of these high rises have some kind of blownout windows on them. >> we're here cleaning up the mess, the glass, mainly, getting the glass, the broken glass is kind of hanging in the holes up in the building and so they don't fall down and hurt somebody. very widespread and dangerous and we're in there trying to be careful and not get cut. >> now, president biden approved a partial disaster declaration that combines thursday night's storms with flooding that hit texas starting all the way back in

april so that's going to help hopefully start getting federal resources to people who are really going to need it to get back on their feet, neil. neil: katie, thank you for all of that. katie burn in houston. we'll keep you posted on that. cleanup is going on. and mayor, thank you very much. how are things going there? >> well, unfortunately, things are really rough for a lot of houstonians right now. a lot of people are still out of electricity, over 500,000 locations and temperatures are starting to rise so it's unfortunately going to be a rough weekend for a lot of people. neil: it sounds to me that had a lot of people were off guard for this, they knew rain was coming, maybe some wind conditions, but nothing like what we saw, winds in excess of 100 miles per hour. what can you tell us? >> absolutely, this is completely unexpected even the area the majority of the winds

hit in houston, it was not what anyone expected. the wind shifted and we're able to put the disaster recovery in place before the storm so as soon as it's done we can start immediately. unfortunately, that was not the case this time around. >> now, i imagine it shut down a lot of things, i don't want to get mercenary about this, but you know, houston is home to a lot of key oil refineries, i believe about a dozen, and they churn out close to 300 barrels or 300 million barrels a day. so the fact of the matter is, there's a lot that rides here and one of the reasons why oil prices jumped this week. do you know anything about that and the refineries, a lot of livelihoods depend on that? >> yes, absolutely. and a lot of the oil and gas companies in houston, unfortunately, are used to this kind of thing with our weather in houston and a lot of efforts made over the years by a lot of companies for backup generators and putting other pieces together. so, that in case of a disaster,

they're still ready to go with their business. neil: and now i understand you're dealing with heat. that's a big problem, right? >> absolutely, heat is a very big problem. temperatures are starting to rise and so the city is working on cooling centers and distribution of ice and water for people because it's unfortunately going to be several days before everyone is back up. transformers were completely blown down and so, this is going to take a long time to get it completely fixed. center point did get over 200 people from other cities, because they were not expecting to, they were not pre positioned and so it will take time to get it together. neil: mayor, in the past, whether the grid is up to this and what can you update on us

and how soon they can look to having it back potentially? >> yeah, a lot has been done to ensure that the grid system will be better this summer. i think there's still a lot of work left to be done, but in this case, i mean, this is just a wind situation that any upgrades to the grid may not have helped with this kind of a situation. so, you know, anyone that doesn't have electricity will, you know, they can call through on one and we'll get them a ride to a cooling center and we just want to make sure that everyone is safe with the temperatures that are starting to increase. neil: so, mayor, you've looked at supplies of water and things like that. a lot of folks e-mailing me, what can we do? a lot of fox viewers are just that way. what do you need right now? >> the biggest thing is supplies, if anyone has any way of helping with storm debris, a lot of our roads are still

closed, our traffic signals are out so it's kind of dangerous to drive right now, so if anyone feels it's safe enough to come and help we also need supplies such as water and ice and you know, just anything in high temperatures that people could use to cool down. neil: do you ever worry, mayor, i'm not a meteorologist, but i am curious that a lot of this seems to be happening earlier than normal. i mean, you get your storms and you've gotten some doozies certainly, but it seems earlier and you know, much more severe. what can you tell us? >> yeah, absolutely. we're not even hurricane season yet. neil: right, right. >> and so we saw something like this. and so, it's just-- it's coming earlier, more frequently. the storms are getting worse and so, as a city we really need to look at resiliency, as far as making sure that our infrastructure is in place because the storms aren't going away and so we need to make sure that our infrastructure is in place to combat that.

neil: yeah, and it's tough times, but a beautiful city, very resilient people. >> absolutely. neil: i have no doubt you'll turn things around very quickly, but best of luck and thank you for all you're doing there. >> thank you. neil: in the meantime speaking of texas, donald trump will be visiting dallas, 290, 300 miles from all of this in houston, but what was interesting ahead of his address to the n.r.a. convention in dallas where he was last night in minnesota. if case you haven't noticed minnesota hasn't gone republican since richard nixon in 1972. that's then. they think, that is republicans, this is their moment, after this. some people just know that the best rate for you is a rate based on you, with allstate. because you... you are not doing this. save with drivewise and get a rate based on you. you're in good hands with allstate. mylowe's rewards credit card saves us 5% on the things we need. 5% off. - 5% off.

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>> all right. donald trump is doing something we don't usually see. he goes to the bluest of blue states. of course, last weekend in new jersey where he got a crowd of better than 100,000.

that's the bluest of blue states right now so he thinks he has a chance there. last night in minnesota state, republicans haven't won at the presidential level since 1972 when richard nixon did so. that was then and they think they can repeat it and the back drop of all of this, with this ongoing michael cohen testimony in the hush money trial in new york. against all of that, garrett tenney in dallas where the president will be addressing the n.r.a. today, garrett. >> yeah, neil, 52 years since a republican presidential candidate won in minnesota, but the trump campaign says it believes the land of 10,000 lakes is in play this cycle. last night as you mentioned, president trump was up there in minnesota addressing the state g.o.p., state dinner and his campaign says that you'll remember in 2016, that's what they point to that donald trump came within a point and a half of winning the state. 2020 it wasn't as close, biden won the state by seven points. last night at the annual lincoln-reagan dinner in

minnesota focused heavily on voters' top issue. >> how we can be one point down or two points up to this guy in minnesota, i don't know. on day way, we'll throw out bidenomics, and reinstate magm-nommics. >> and some significant that he has no chance to win the state, but is a head fake, and they could be going to more true battle ground states. and this afternoon, as you mentioned, former president trump will address the n.r.a.'s national convention, rallying up a key constituency for the g.o.p. last night in minnesota, he gave a bit of a preview what to expect today. >> i will fully uphold our great, but very under siege second amendment. we're going to withhold the powers and the beauty of our second amendment. we need our second amendment

probably more than we've ever needed it before. it's under siege. >> today, vice-president kamala harris released a statement criticizing trump's trip to the n.r.a., saying in part now when guns are the number one cause of deaths in teens and children. and threatening to make the crisis worse if reelected. right now guns are not a top issue for voters as a whole. on the latest fox news poll, 1% of voters named guns in a deal breaker issue in their vote for president. neil: and there's a clear strategy to it. but, garrett, thank you so much. garrett tenney will be covering that all day today from dallas. in the meantime, i want to go to tom, of course, being an excellent lawyer, he's not lost on the political impact of something going on in the courtroom, in the hush money trial for the better part of what, 20 days or so. we know already, tom, that

michael cohen is going to be back on the stand being cross-examined and we know that the judge wants to wrap this up, i think as early as tuesday. what do you think of that? >> well, i don't think this is going to wrap by tuesday. there's still a lot to go with michael cohen. the trump team is going to keep cross examining him and then the prosecutors will have a chance to rehabilitate the damage that the defense team inflicted on cohen last week and then we've got to get a defense presentation, the trump team will have a chance to put on their case which will be streamlined, but could take a day or two and only then do you get to jury instructions and closing arguments. although the judge wants to move this along quickly, i don't think it's realistic to think that this is going to wrap on tuesday. neil: we talked about that it's had no impact on donald trump in the polls and winning in these battle ground states. that could change, but could a conviction change that? and i don't want you to weigh on the politics of that, but how likely is it a conviction?

we don't know what's in the mind of the jurors and we know anecdotally they were riveted certainly by stormy daniels when she was testifying, but not as much, but pay close attention to michael cohen and less so the accountants and numbers guy. since i'm kind of a numbers guy, that kind of offended me. leaving that aside, what are we to make of that? >> what i make of that, neil, over the course of this trial the likelihood of conviction has dropped. i think that the district attorney came into the case thinking they would be able to prove these charges through ways other than michael cohen's testimony, but as it turned out their case relies pretty much exclusively or in large part on michael cohen and the trump team i thought delivered a devastating cross examination last week so for that reason, i think that the odds are fairly high that there's going to be at least one juror that concludes the prosecution has not proven its case under the highest standard known in american law, beyond a

reasonable doubt. neil: what if the defense, no doubt, tries to go to the judge and said you can't bring this to the jury. what do you think the odds are of that? >> in my view, neil, the odds of that are low, that the judge is not going to send this case to the jury. i think the defense team will make that request. but my sense based on the way this judge approached this case and based on rulings in the past, i would be very surprised if he refuses to send this case to a jury. i think he's going to say let's let the jury make the call and after rendering a verdict if he doesn't think there's enough evidence for conviction, the judge could throw it out at that point, but i don't think he's going to take it away from the jury based on the way he's ruled recently. neil: can i go to different legal questions on hunter biden, he wants it postponed and the democrats say the

delay, delay strategy is ridiculous with trump, but maybe when it comes toer biden. >> i don't think there's anyway that hunter biden is going to avoid these trials. first in delaware and then in california. it doesn't surprise me they threw the hail mary passes to get the judges to throw it out before trial, but i don't think there was any likelihood of them getting granted and what we've seen both judges are going to keep the trials on track and it's a virtual certainty that both prosecutions are going to move ahead with trials in june. neil: all right. now, back to delaware if you don't mind. the way i see the trials, the documents case, what's going on in atlanta, what's going to happen with fani willis, whether she'll be on this, not on this. those aren't going to materialize before the election the way i see it. the only case that looks to be adjudicated the way i see it is

this hush money case, and no effect on donald trump poll-wise and as a smart lawyer, the odds of conviction are low. she he could be dodging a lot of bullets with future bullets delayed past an election that he just could win? >> i think that's exactly right. look, when this whole litigation process started, four different cases, i think a lot of the conventional wisdom was that the january 6th cases or the documents case, would move ahead first, people thought maybe the georgia case would move ahead first, but what we've seen in large part through strategic misjudgments by the prosecutors, fani willis, jack, and i don't think there's any chance that any of those three cases go to trial before november. if former president trump wins the election in november, it's the ultimate game changer, two of those three, the federal ones, will go away the day he's

inaugurated. neil: the other attempt of removing the gag order against him has been been taken up with the appeals court. and i'm wondering, tom, whether it doesn't matter now so late in the process, just move on? >> you know, i think there's some truth to that. i think once this trial ends, i think his challenges to the gag order in large part become moot, meaning there's no real live dispute here because the trial is over. that being said, it's not surprising to me that trump is battling this all the way. the legal defense team has taken a challenge to the gag order and challenged it in the lower appellate court and trying to take it to the highest court and my guess is that new york's highest court is going to affirm the scope of the gag order, but it doesn't surprise me they're pushing back hard on this. the gag order is reducing his speech and they have a right to

appeals. neil: you know why i know you're brilliant, man, you have a lot of books behind you. at a minimum you're extremely well-read. tom, i learn a lot, in all seriousness. thank you very much. >> thanks, neil. neil: all right. a very well-read tom dupree. keeps you posted on that and also on joe biden, he's out campaigning and in georgia and continuing to rally his base. many in his base are leaving him. the question, do they go to donald trump, could it be just as bad if they stay home? we're on that after this. the best moments happen outside. where laughter dances with the wind, and stories are told beneath the stars. where connections grow and memories are born. at bass pro shops and cabela's, we believe in the magic of the great outdoors. our friendly, knowledgeable outfitters will help you gear up for your next adventure. with club member mondays

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he'll be in atlanta and a couple of functions there. so he's busy on the road as will be donald trump as i told you earlier, addressing the n.r.a. convention in dallas. he was in minnesota just last night, as the state republicans haven't won in better than 50 years. and the president is attached to rallying his base because that base seems to be wandering, my friend. >> president biden took off on air force one and arrived at andrews, and out of the beast, we were not able to ask him questions why he's losing support among black voters. and president biden spoke yesterday at the african-american museum in washington. >> my extreme maga, they want a country for some not for all. >> a new fox news poll shows

black support for the president ebbing. and in a close election as it's expected to be all votes are critical. you mentioned the youth vote and this is where some alarms are sounding for the biden campaign. biden has lost 14% of the youth vote to trump and let's go to another poll just for the swing states. according to a new new york times poll, biden has lost 28% of the black vote in the past four years and the critical swing states. former president donald trump has seen a 15 point bump. trump's support right now among black voters would be the highest for any republican candidate since the enactment of the civil rights act in 1964. some republicans think it's too late for biden to turn around these numbers. >> the problem is, no speech joe biden is going to give will change the fact that he's wrecked the economy for all americans, inflation is massively high, hurting everybody. the southern border is massively open squeezing the cities and their budgets. yeah, he should be concerned.

>> president biden will attend a pair of fundraisers today in atlanta and georgia is a swing state, a state that donald trump won in 2016 and narrowly lost to president biden in 2020. tomorrow, addressing the commencement address at morehouse college, a historically black university that's also all male, neil. neil: got it. lucas tomlinson at the white house. i want to go to jenna, the washington examiner political reporter, we're so interested in following, you know, who is better at keeping their base happy and expanding on that, but sometimes there could be more challenging, not if your base wanders to the other side, but just stays home and that's a real possibility for president biden right now. still early, but what do you think? >> yeah, 2020 was all about turnout. that was a turnout election and that's how joe biden won. they had the great get out to vote, you know, vote remotely, vote from home. mail in your ballots, absentee worked because of covid.

this time around there's so much less enthusiasm for joe biden and it's reflected when you look at the breakdown of his losses among these minority voters. it's heavily among young voters. black voters older than 65, he still has the same level of support that he had going into 2020. this time, it's all about those younger black voters and younger hispanic voters. you know, it really does come down to the two i's, inflation, immigration. we know that immigration disproportionately is affecting the southern states, such as texas, heavily latino. it drains the social safety nets when you have a lot of false asylum claims come in and especially if you're a latino immigrant and you came to this country legally and you're voting, you know, it doesn't-- it's not great to see a lot of people coming in, working the system to try and get legally. with inflation, inflation is a regressive tax and we know it

disproportionately does harm non-white households. look at the census bureau, almost half of all black and latino households say that they have difficulty just meeting their weekly needs and their weekly expenses, much higher than white voters. the burden of inflation has been disproportionately influencing those goods na people can't skimp on, things like grocery prices. food prices increased since joe biden took office, the total rate of 19%. car payments, car service and obviously rent and mortgages. neil: that's well-put and we've been trying to raise this with chad bernstein over at the white house, the inflation in coming down, but the percentage of gains are not. when it comes to groceries and things you mentioned leaving that aside, donald trump's base is by and large locked in, but you talk about overtures made

to nikki haley, i don't know if nikki haley has responded the same to donald trump, but she captured a lot in the primaries, don't mean anything, up to 20% of the vote. does he have to shore up either her support or voters? many are women, women in children, young women. i don't know what the true polling details are on that, but he's got everybody else. should he lock down that? >> he absolutely should and the greatest asset right now to donald trump is how much joe biden is fumbling the bag. the nikki haley voter constituency is a minority, but the fact that she's getting some in the primaries though she's not running. the the they're caring about foreign policy, if you look at exit polling, nikki haley

const constituency deplore how joe biden has backed away from supporting israel and that joe biden is trying to placate this small pro-hamas constituency on the far left of the democratic party leaves that security mom vote open and donald trump obviously is a bit more of a foreign policy realist, but more on the hawkish side of things and there's a general sense among republican voterers he would be much more supportive of israel. the fact that mike johnson has still got that national security supplemental aid deal done and that trump, you know, by not expressing opposition to it, implicitly supported it. so, with trump, he just can't be his own worst enemy, right? let's start with the bird brain comments about nikki haley and make overtures to those voters, right? this is not the same as 2016 when trump was a wild card or even 2020 when the hope was biden would just be a boring return to normalcy, obama era

decorum. joe biden is the most radically left president of my lifetime for sure and he's brought, you know, all of this, as we pointed out inflation. donald trump, if you liked how america was in 2019 that's the sell and you can win with nikki haley voters that way. neil: not necessarily how you liked it in 2020 with covid, but very interesting reflection, tiana, thank you so much, good to see you. >> thank you, neil. neil: tiana did bring up, with donald trump, and then xi jinping of china and vladimir putin of russia, and a lot of people are wondering what's the next story after this. you can't get a home loan because of your credit? here's great news. at newday we've been granted automatic authority by the va to make our own loan approval decisions. in fact, if you've had credit challenges and missed a payment along the way, you're more than five times

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>> all right. well, this raised eyebrows maybe because it seems to happen so often. vladimir putin in china having talks with xi jinping and claim to be each other's best friends and partnerships and alliances that will last for decades out. don't know what it means, but stephanie from london. >> it's vladimir putin's first overseas trip since he began the fifth term in office. and it went well and ended one of the days with an embrace hug. and concluded the two-day visit to china emphasizing the

country's strategic ties as well as his own personal relationship with chinese leader xi jinping. and he also met with the students at the technology school. and he says his own alma mater will look for a joint meeting altogether and aimed at one thing, better conditions for the development of their countries and improving well-being of their people, but the white house says it takes the relationship seriously between china and russia, even as it downplayed the strength of the alliance. >> i'm surprised that these two leaders continued to try to develop this burgeoning relationship, but they're already two leaders that don't have a long history of working together. and officially in both governments that aren't necessarily all that trustful of the other. >> and this all comes as russian forces look to advance further into ukraine's northeast. world leaders have pressured

china to influence russia to end its invasion, but to no avail. after more than two years of war, moscow has grown more dependent on china and an assessment released last month china has surged in sales of russia to machine tools and technology that moscow uses to produce missiles, tanks, aircraft and other weaponry and of course the u.s. recently approved the $61 billion aid package for ukraine that includes military support. neil. neil: stephanie, thank you for that. i want to go to rob spaulding, u.s. air force brigadier general, war without rules. always good having you. when i look at these two together, formerly adolf hitler and josef stalin never met personally and we know how that turned out. is this a modern day version of

that and should we worry about that? >> they are. and the china-russia compact is no different than the first cold war. the fact that is shocking, we're giving billions of dollars without any end game in sight and partially funding the other way, supporting china's connectivity to the global economy and they're funding russia. russia's oil market is doing better than ever and all things that we could do something about. in fact, the reagan administration really crippled the russian economy by going after their ability to sell oil at an elevated price and that's something we ought to be going after as a country. neil: when you think the oil thing with the russians, everyone was kind of adhering, don't get any oil from the russians, except for china, prominently stood out and iran as well. the point is that it was-- if you're going to try to alienate a country everyone has to be on board alienating that

country. china wasn't and isn't. so it's clearly china is figuring in its history not to do what we want them to do. >> absolutely. if you think about -- we're great at innovation, we're smart here in this country and so we have all kinds of smart people trying to figure out how to deal with all the drones coming out of china and the new things, you know, arriving on the battlefield, but we're not providing the kind of strategic leadership and thought leadership that goes into how do we control this from an economic and a financial perspective? this is not -- there's no real military option here in terms of driving russia completely out of ukraine because you're likely to end up in a nuclear war so we need to start thinking about the things that the reagan administration was doing to the soviet union economically, financially, politically, across the spectrum that we're just not doing in this case. >> you know, we've obviously tried to tighten the screws on both countries much more so

with russia and china. and the president imposing 100% tariffs on the chinese and makers. and china was taking a lot of this activity and moving it to other countries, vietnam was one listed. so sometimes we build the smarter traps and all of a sudden they come up with a smarter rack. >> absolutely, we have the great new compact trade agreement with canada and mexico and all of a sudden the chinese factories are showing up in mexico. you know, we in our own house just got a product that was absolutely junk and off amazon, it was chinese in origin and the company just disappeared overnight. neil: so what's the lesson here, general? >> the lesson is, we really need to think about very carefully about how we go about restoring manufacturing in this

country, getting off the addiction to chinese goods and i think when we do that, we also need to think about our currency and certainly russia's role in the oil market and begin to work across all these lines if we want to have a comprehensive answer to this problem. neil: got it. general, wise words all. thank you for your service to this country. brigadier general rob spalding on that. meanwhile, do you like nascar, cars racing and all that? it is big time, big business. and madison is there and we'll take you to north carolina to tell you what's up after this. ♪ ♪ ♪ and over 400,000 of us have left

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>> all right. to say that nascar is big business is an incredible understatement. the nascar cup all-star race this weekend, tomorrow formally in wilkesboro, north carolina, that's where we're find madison alworth. >> i'm at the historic race, and doesn't go to the cup, but is a purse of $1 million. the reality is, the biggest winning is really for the surrounding area here in wilkes county. this track behind me has an incredible history. pre-dates the portfolio of nascar. it opened in 1947, but then closed in 1996 and sat empty for 26 years just falling apart until last year when it reopened. it took over 22 million dollars to make this track race ready again, but that investment paid off. last year's race weekend had an

economic impact of $42 million on the state of north carolina. many drivers, they live in this state and they're very familiar with the track. its former glory days and it's very bad days. they're excited to be back and racing. >> for me, you know, i've always been able to drive by this place and look at it and it looks like a skelton of what it used to be. to be able to come here and enjoy a race and get to drive in it means a lot. i think it puts so much into the economy and seeing the fans out here and people embracing what north wilkesboro has to offer. >> and neil, we got to test out the track ourselves. i got to take a spin with first time cup series driver zane smith. absolutely unreal. he has grown up in the area, seen it. he's excited to be racing on this historic track and he hopes he'll be one of the drivers celebrating on victory l lane. [laughter], so, right, so

they've left a lot of the character. >> yeah. >> so even though you're officially a rookie driver this season, you're riding on one of the oldest nascar tracks. >> yes, right. so, like i said, there's so much history and to like see the names, i've raced here at the cup level, and it's-- it's awesome to be able to add my name to that list. >> now, neil, we're in a small town. north wilkesboro is not huge. it's incredible to see how many fans have come here. parking lots are full and the camping area is full and they're drying off the track and it's been raining all morning and we still have very brave fans in the stands and racing is not happening for a few hours, and the big race isn't until sunday. this is an area that shows up for nascar. they spend money and enjoy the sport and i know the county is excited to have the race back and they're excited for a home race this weekend.

it's going to be 8 p.m. eastern, fs-1 this sunday. neil. >> what i loved about your piece there, you were in the car with the clutching the door handle. that's identical to what my wife does when i'm driving the car. brought it all back. [laughter]. >> anytime. neil: great job, madison in the middle of that. and my wife is clutching everything when i'm driver, for some reason doesn't think i'm a great driver. did you hear about columbia, i think it's columbia, rips up the college diploma and thinking to myself as a parent watching this, are you kidding me! after this. some people just know there's a better way to do things. and some people... don't. bundle your home and auto with allstate and save. you're in good hands with allstate.

>> you know, we get a lot of video coming into the news room and i love looking at the feeds that come to us. this one, probably my favorite of the week, but not in a good way. a columbia university graduation. [cheers] . neil: did you catch that. she just got her degree, she rips it up and anti-israeli protester, a palestinian sympathizer and that's fine. i'm thinking of her parent to see this and a hefty bill and they're watching as a parent i would probably say what are you doing? all right. they're young, much younger than me, she could be my daughter. a best selling author you can't joke about that where everything is funny and nothing is sacredm. very, very funny. and i wanted to bring a parent.

looking at this maybe the same way i did. and that's why i want to go to you first. because as a parent, you must have been stewing. >> well, as a parent you're always going to love your child, but as a parent-- >> that depends on the day. gary, go ahead. >> yes, but as a parent three letters that start with wt-- i can't go into the next one. [laughter] >> neil, here is what i think should happen. i think this young lady when she goes for an interview for a job, she should tell the employer that she did not graduate because she ripped up her diploma on stage, and put on zip ties, and even though hamas put on zip ties on hostage that are found dead. and see if they can find a job. as far as a parent i would be

speechless and wouldn't know what to say. gives whether you're protesting anything out there. this is a time to celebrate your four years of supposed hard work, but to this young lady and by the way, others at that celebration, did the same to a certain extent. >> yeah, she was not the only one. cat,s title of your book is we're all in this together. and as a dad, i'm not in together with this, help us from a young person's perspective how you feel that this comes across? >> well, i think it comes across very differently depending how you feel about the issue. some people look at that and say, wow, what a hero and some people will look at that and have more of a similar opinion than has been expressed here, but to me, i think, that one thing that is in common of people on various sides is having this opinion of columbia, which one of the reasons it is so expensive is because you get to say that you

went to columbia and because of the network of people that you'll be connected with because you went to columbia. i don't think anybody was really ever necessarily thinking that you get that much better of an education there than you would at another school in terms of like a professor or, you know, everyone has access to the same books and those sorts of things. but now the brand has been tarnished by people on multiple sides of this issue. there are people who think, oh, the school didn't do enough to protect jewish students, shame on columbia or like this student ripping up the diploma for the reverse reason. wow, what a case to look at, what can happen to a brand and regardless whether you rip up your diploma or not. and no one is responding with a blanket, wow, that's awesome, you went to columbia, whether you rip your the diploma or not. neil: bottom line, people

warare free to rip up the diploma and people are free to be annoyed. >> there are graduations that weren't graduations and people didn't get to graduate their high school. the unfortunateness, the innocents, people who didn't get involved in this pay the penalty for what all of these others did and that's the real big shame. look, i put it all on the colleges. i am here in florida, neil, where they basically put the hammer down for the most part and hardly any of this happened. when you have authority as a college and people running to do something, you should be doing something, unfortunately, they didn't. neil: gary, thank you very much. and kat, good to see you as well. and maybe we have cooler heads, don't scream and rip up stuff. always do that, what many i thinking. that's caaaaaaaaash. cashback like a pro

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