teargas between the police and students. this is looking at columbia university this afternoon where students are holding down the fort inside the hamilton administration building at columbia which by the way has been occupied during every student protest over the course of the last 30 years or so in 1968 students occupied the building they also did occupied a building importance of apartheid in south africa also more recently -- a couple of years later so we are seeing -- we will see how that develops as we keep and i on all of these multi- situations. thanks for joining us. >> everyone: a story, load i will see her back here tomorrow in the meantime have a great afternoon and evening and i get ready for. >> everyone: your world, looked up before the market, let's start right about now. >> ♪ ♪ >> ♪ ♪ >> neil: will have more understandably markets but in

the meantime -- at courtroom drama quickly unfolding and we are on top of -- columbia university were student protesters are now facing expulsion after seizing control of a campus building and historic building of that -- on the right side former president donald trump inside a manhattan courtroom as we speak as the judge in a criminal case present him with jail time if he continues to violate it, world -- havel donald trump react if he smacked like everything else welcome everybody i'm neil cavuto let's get right to it with alexis mcadams she is at columbia university where that standoff continues. alexis? >> we can see behind me here at columbia were on a different side of the kapuskasing or inuit studies of personal -- but there are lots of protesters out here and it's been a pretty active scene. this all comes after three much the most chaotic night wheezing out here in quite a few days since the programs are solidarity and comments that has been set up here come these students breaking in to a campus building here

smashing the windows with hammers. the school saying he know you're going to be expelled they don't seem worried about it. why? we'll take a look. this is a video that -- this a few minutes ago on the students in their work and inside of the building now for hours they were not going to get until they get to the magic of actually bringing in food and supplies using a rope because they don't plan on moving out primitive thing that they have this kind of thing unlock anything a lot of these issues that have been coming forward, don't think getting in trouble this university president because they normally see any action just yet. what will happen last night. you can see dozens of student protesters there smashing the windows of the campus building mike waking up this morning it seemed that -- about $100,000 a year for the school. thing the parents and themselves are shocked nurse was to be studying for final here so hamilton hall as well

as all have a name after president examiner hamilton medina renamed it after a girl who was killed in gaza a few months ago thing they're not going to leave until they get their demands met committee currently is time for the nypd to come on in. >> of two men dressed in all black breaking into john jay, my dorm by calling for the windows. wore these people? worthy coming from? how do they even get in to the campus? was giving them marching orders? these are questions that need to be asked. mcgregor pretty disappointed, was a bit of the year we started looking at different places. adding another habit and probably going to get out of here next year. >> were you going to go? >> angle julia misley of michigan for no candidate has to go to the idea. >> who can see it quite a protesters standing in front of the kapuskasing calvin pickard is continuing to grow saying they should be let in immediately calling on many

-- minouche shafik to open the campus door please protesters and allow them amnesty ability committed crimes in there. they broke the glass can be damaged to property where my things are still tense though that they can be even more change. watch. back out here live you can tell you that there has been issue of force here from the nypd. i will step -- and can kind of see the main crew hear that pulled up. they used to this though. this happens on a daily basis. remember down here we see the nypd coming remedy for gartner's unties in case they have to do that but the school has to ask them to come in first. >> martha: >> charles: >> neil: incredible. you got your $90,000 worth there. i want to switch to the other big developments -- talking about -- you have to go about halfway down manhattan island to get with of course this new york state supreme court, that will refine our need for karabela from this is the five of testimony back and forth in the trial.

let's get the latest from you, nate. >> is in the past 15 minutes or so, new york appeals court denied former president donald trump's request to delay the trial as he argues for george, sean's recusal, cortez dead rubber in about an our or so but right now davidson is under --'s and lav's attorney who represented both stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. right now prosecutors are focusing on the 130,000-dollar deal stormy daniels where davidson describes working with michael gordon as being really negative experience, he said that one stepped into american media's shoes after a deal with mi for a part amicably let go and was trying to avoid making the payment to daniels. davidson previously testified that he directly negotiated a 150,000-dollar deal for macdougall's lori graham accuracy 45% of that and he said he knew if american media purchase the story it

would benefit the tramp campaign. that two witnesses testified about aggression and accuracy of various clips showing trump's deposition in the e. jean carroll case in various political speeches where he addressed the allegations and accusers against him or mcmichael going's former banker gary farrell wrapped up his testimony earlier today, pharaoh says that cohen never spoke about trap while setting up an account to wire daniels $130,000. meanwhile george one michelone ordered trump to remove nine post online that violated the court's gag order, all of -- take a look at this next picture of true social. this post is still up. trump comments on the posts from stormy daniels former lawyer michael abernathy, trump refers to daniels and cohen right at the top of that as sleazebag's. judge merchan find trump

$1000 for nine gag order violations. he as you mentioned, martha, said in his ruling that the fine of $1000 given trump's considerable wealth doesn't have much impact on him so he threatened the possibility of jail time if trump continues by leading the gag order and that is notable especially because there is another hearing coming up thursday about four additional examples where prosecutors argued that trump did exactly that. was in her back to you. >> martha: >> neil: so a lot of these comments -- or even material that he retreated on true social, without also be in violation since some of those were taken down of this gag order? >> that's exactly right and that was the arguments that we heard at the previous hearing about the ten alleged gag order violations of which judge merchan agreed that none of them are violations, trump's lawyers argue is different if it's an original post versus sharing something

that somebody else wrote. but that one post that is still up is exactly that is supposed for michael abernathy and trump comments on it and judge merchan found that it violated the gag order. so right now that's the one post that trump still has it take down but the judge ruled that it violates the order. >> neil: watch closely. great reporting analogous. made for outside the new york supreme court while all of this is going on, president reagan of course can come out with a scrap self usually does talk to the press when he does so. so we will be monitoring the closely. about remarkable woodland from the new york trail -- and -- hawkins conservator all -- i'll start with you. on this gag order issue and how far president trump has -- and we push and the judge seems to be saying don't tax my patience here, you're up to $9000 now, you can easily

afford that and then some so my next step might be something more serious. what he actually threw him in jail for that kind of stuff? >> i mean we have seen in the past other judges do this when the issue gag orders. issue here is the is donald trump exercising his freedom of speech and is the judge not offering him a fare trial by not allowing him to speak publicly or to respond to what others are speaking on social media, elsewhere. that is the big question he here. juan merchan is saying i'm going to put you in jail for this. how far does this go to a violation of constitutional rights? in a violation of someone's free speech. will see. but this judge seems very politically motivated to continue the trial against donald trump as a witchhunt so i wouldn't be surprised if he keeps threatening these

things. if he wants to have a gag order in place judge merchan why didn't you impose a gag order on the entire proceeding rather than just the defendant in the proceeding? michael cohen said he voluntarily -- voluntarily is going to not wheat as often or not to eat about this issue. what is michael going to have to make that decision? widening the judge have an all-encompassing gag order for every witness including the defendant if he is going to restrict the constitutional rights of the former president? why do we not have all other witnesses on the same plateau? >> martha: >> neil: is a valid point. tom dupree i want to ask you a little bit about that grandma and i -- i know we not supposed to weigh the celebrity order status or the -- nature of the prominent individual like donald trump but threatening even to throw him in jail, you know, obviously it wear its all

sort of other hazards that the judge might not welcome or expects, at the very least of which is the growing popularity of donald trump through this entire trial itself. is right now leading joe biden by six points in the latest polls and virtually all the battleground states. so he's got to weigh that. what do you think? >> i think you don't have to be that and a queer -- erect and protection the first amendment shouldn't -- and he is in the right constitutional right to speak on issues of public importance and there's no question that this -- constitutes a matter of grave public importance. [inaudible] the judge has a job he has to maintain the integrity of the trial and run his courtroom in order to ensure fair trial. i get that. at the same time in my opinion at least the judge has been in --

he placed it in my view is an extraordinary order on reporters and journalists covering it in the jury selection process not to report on things that they were observing in the courtroom, public courtroom with their own eyes and ears so all the judge does have destructive anesthetist strike a balance a little differently and a little bit more in favor of the first amendment. >> neil: how do you see this going this far? you been hearing his arguments -- the judge -- had it out for the former president. is a delicate desk, dca going? >> percival i all i don't think there is any doubt that the judge has it out for donald trump and mackey should have refused himself and i don't think there's any doubt that the order -- that the entire order by the order is overbroad and violates the first amendment. the problem for former president trump is that just because an order violates the

first amendment, a gag order disobedient that your remedy is to violate it. there is case law to that effect, a court order is different then an unconstitutional statute. if you violate analogous additional statutes and you take it to trial in the court rules that it was unconstitutional, your conviction is wiped out grandmother is not true if you violate a gag order and i'm not sure that former president trump has fully understood that this judge i think i'll show his bias in many ways. not only by the overbreadth of the order but the ridiculous prohibition on trump's attorney referred to trump as president trump. is the former president, it's completely appropriate to refer to him that way and to forbid him from doing that in front of the jury is just the kind of daddy, with nicholas ruling that unfortunately is indicative of how the judge is operating here. >> martha: i would imagine

the jury sees a familiar face -- he is a former president of the united states. seol and tom and rebecca please don't go too far undertake your fine legal -- not only in this case but what we're getting about the legality of some of these protests going on around college campuses all over the country. in the meantime before we do that i want to draw your attention to the corner wall -- a big selloff with the dow jones industrial sleigh about 570 points this represents the worst monthly performance for the markets i think you have to go back to september 2022, iraq

with this concern about interest -- in the meantime the concern right now about two and current developments with cheers seeing here in manhattan at that state supreme court where we are waiting to hear from donald trump when he comes out of this names trial date that the testimony day that, of course, these protests that are populous right across the country -- arrest doing -- we northwest columbia was happening there but these anti- israel protesters are not happening in states across the country including virginia commonwealth university got the university of texas, pulling university, university of connecticut, florida university of utah, two dozen institutions, a more than a day or -- were having protests at all. but it is sort of crept up

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were being affect -- assaulted a group of monsters and taken hammers to destroy the windows is used -- so the nypd has not -- of occasion to show up and resolve the. >> neil: good luck resolving that every -- is not only at columbia university reminder of how this is widening out to make four colleges and universities across the country -- so that a number of students have broken into key residences there are demonstrators see protesters were throwing objects, using chemical spray on some of those offices before 13 people including six students were arrested and charged with trespassing. in austin, texas at the university of texas limiting arrested a day after 59 others were arrested at a similar protests again, and the israeli demonstrations. six similarly -- at tulane university at new orleans after the storm university property and erected tents, university of connecticut incumbents spotted all over

the university of the liberty bell florida gainesville officials say the police officers arrested about a dozen including six students who wouldn't comply with orders to disperse but a lot of these institutions -- new being told would be a good idea -- even though many have been calling on them to do so but this is where it gets a little dicey because many of these indicators of those that are not public institutions this is private property so how do you juggle that? -- you get a sense not everywhere but a lot of these college protests, the police are told condo and make a big c-note events, we can deal with this but they're not dealing with. >> well the ball is in the courts of the school's mostly.

obviously there some public institutions that may be a little bit different other states but clearly in columbia the administration has to make the call. the police are going to go in there and invited respirator away. there is an emergency call if there's somebody being assaulted obviously they see that and then they will go in but unless they're invited by the administration cannot going to go in because they need a complainant. you need someone in court that sets this person, that person there trespassing, should not have been there i gave every -- criminal court summons and they'll be told to respond to that maybe 30, 40 days down the road. it's not a deterrent that used to be quite frankly. so even with arrests, i'm not certain we are going to see a significant change. i think in my view this is largely motivated by students

for justice in palestine. they have 200 chapters on college campuses in america. this is -- looks to me like a conspiracy because crimes are being committed. i would hope that the federal authorities are looking at this. word is outside instigators coming from. it is an awful lot that we don't know anything near that you're probably right that the police have been told to go very easy in all these college campuses which is probably a good thing. >> neil: but, you know, one of the things i didn't understand -- miguel cardona was talking in congress earlier today that there are no, you know, -- or any of these other institutions -- >> can you say that again? >> martha: megan currie the education secretary -- i apologize had said that there is none of his personnel at

columbia or any of these others that are monitoring all of this but it does seem to be an official hands off to echo what you just mentioned and wondering if the universities involved in colleges involves aren't taking matters into their own hands and i want to be fair some of them indeed are in texas, for example, but most are not in there hoping maybe this plays out that it's the end of the school year for most. this is exam week and all that and maybe they're trying to run out the clock on this and hope cooler heads prevailed after the -- what do you think you might be what i think you're right. i think that's exactly what is happening in the going to kick the can down the road and hope that somehow dissipates like for instance in columbia the graduation date is may 15th and schools of the university have made graduation ceremony even before that so i think that's what they're betting on in the car in the police that they've already done that once before, you know, this will be slightly different undertaking.

these are criminal acts and their going to have to probably unchain people, be somewhat the prudent as far as going in. there may be weapons invo involves. the situation has escalated significantly with the taking of hamilton hall. >> neil: is such an economic institution to say that the center of the school administration. very quickly, and kirby had said that he was not aware commissioner of any evidence of bad actors either aggravating or storming these protests are actually expanding on them. but you have concerns that might be the case. >> absolutely. i think there's no question about it outside instigators were on campus. -- people said -- there some

sort of over arcing -- overarching direction that i believe is going forward here and i'm not certain that this will and with a graduation. i think -- or it may very well pick up again next year. these people see themselves, many of them, as he lets and they have sort of -- >> neil: i think you're right that fight is threatening and is going on here and ask and of the school year may not be the inevitable. greg callicott always good to see you because thank you very much. i do want to update you on a couple of things were following waiting for the long-term he is going to come out shortly of discussed the testimony of his trial the next day over all. is not a happy camper posting into social from court that this is a total witchhunt that he says the trial is going like a speeding bullet because the judge is working hard to make all of his friends happy.

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is a trial that is nonsense, she never been [inaudible] is showing loud and clear -- the judge is totally conflicted, totally got absolutely conflicted, he's rushing this case through. utterly what some people [inaudible] it's ridiculous. i'm supposed to be in georgia, i'm supposed to be in new hampshire. i'm supposed to be in ohio and much of other places and they have me sitting here for

a -- trial and i've never seen so many prosecutors were all sitting in the room and nothing over absolutely nothing. there's no crime. there's no anything here. and that's what these legal scholars say. company ring a case like th this? brandon merli -- every agency just about often spent -- the alternate down and say no, and i'm sitting here -- is exactly what you want. a want me on the campaign trail. it's a real disgrace and -- is a disgrace to new york and just like engoron is a disgrace to new york. we one the case because we -- and he turned down the appellate division. that's another case demek it's all the same. he turned on the appellate decision appellate decision division -- they made a decision that gave me -- and he turned it down he said --

is a corrupt judge and this judge is terrible, gave a person i have no idea who she is $91 million. this is a corrupt system where in and i think people are understanding and. look at the polls got the people of our country are understanding it's. thank you very much. >> [indistinct question] >> neil: you never know if you has more cannot record unhappy with today's proceedings of the fact that he was fined $9000 for violating a gag order the prosecution says that if he keeps doing so since that -- maybe next up we'll be to throw him in there that would be honestly a very controversial move to put it mildly. rebecca rose woodland back with ask tom debris, saul eisenberg. let's begin with you,

obviously this is former president is very upset and feel this is a kangaroo court, stacked against him and he kind of knows where this is going. what do you think? >> there's no question that he feels that way but also, neil, there's a question that this is of all of the provisions of the it was rejected by the u.s. department of justice when biden was president candidate and prosecute this as election interference or election fraud. it was rejected by bragg's predecessor and initially as a former president just said it was initially rejected by bragg. it is the case not as bad as what we call in the business and white-collar business well it's a hyphenated phrase that starts with chicken and

ends meet with it, that's what i'll say about it. this just nobody -- nobody would be prosecuting this case if it wasn't donald trump. that's just the facts. >> neil: you know, tom debris we always come back to these 34 counts charges against former president all around the way the so-called hush money was paid, to whom it was paid and whether it was a misdemeanor or a felony to a limited to the felony stage matter, of course, they made other implications here. that would be the one appeal but what do you make of that? >> i think we will be a challenge on appeal looked at the prosecutors have several huge obstacles that they're going to have to overcome. first thing you have to do is persuade this jury but even if they can do that, even if they can achieve adamantly, obtain a conviction to your point they will face another big battle

on appeal. bragg's theory even his supporters would say it takes a bit of work getting their. you have to layer on the business crime with the election interference in order to get this felony conviction and i suspect that the court of appeals at a minimum is going to give that very rigourous what lawyers call the noble scrutiny meaning the devil approached it independently without any perception of the theory is valid or not -- even if trump were convicted i would say it >> neil: rebecca -- legal schemes here to talk about, you know, conventions or anything like that but is this the type of judge in your eyes who would take a conviction and say alright now you have to go to jail while you wait this out or appeal or whatever if it ever came to that? >> if it came to a guilty verdict you're asking between the verdict and sentencing what were the judge do? in this case he'd be i think

very out of order to place the presidents in any sort of situation where he'd be behind bars pending in sentencing. what i think will see and i think that reasonable down -- will be very hard for the prosecution. if he gets a guilty verdict out of this prosecutor gets a guilty verdict and this goes up on appeal -- the court of appeals at our top cargo we have an intermediate court as the appellate division gimmick in both of those courts affirm a guilty verdict sea class that the supreme court will take up an appeal from a state court guilty verdict. what i think then we will see there is the supreme court making a decision that this case has been held

unconstitutionally. meaning the former presidents as a defendant, a criminal defendant who is fighting for his freedom has not gotten a fare trial based on various constitutional laws that apply to him as a defendant in this case. very specifically that there should not be unfair advantage to the prosecution and i think we are seeing this over and over in this case that donald trump is being really pointed to an treated unfairly in a court where he is fighting for his freedom. >> neil: sol, i do want to switch to the protesters we are getting a development from columbia university. it has been threatened before but now they're putting it in writing that columbia will expel any student protesters occupying the administration building, they're not putting a time sort of deadline on

that but >> i'm not too, you know, i'm not too hopeful that columbia will do what they say they will do. to let several deadlines has an i think that the -- i don't think there is much of a legal recourse depending on exactly what their expelled for. have a first amendment right of course columbia is a private institution but you have a first amendment right in general to protest. you don't have a right to disrupt campus rules, to keep people from passing by, dorsal people. soup assuming they do it in

the right way which is very important that they actually follow columbia, i'm talking about their own stated policies, that's very important in this situation can't really follow their in-store data policies and expanding these kids? i would think you have a pretty decent case but i don't know. i am okay most of your viewers of the following was happening here in television. >> neil: but a lot better that i do. tom really quickly or your take on that and sol instantly drew a distinction between a protest which are sanctioned supported and praised in our constitution got a whole different matter when they get as disruptive as these have become. and is apparently were columbia might be drawing the line and sol was also right to say they've threatened before coherency out loud, but, you know, this is the last time kids are mourning you but that is the approach they're taking. what do you think? >> i hope to follow through on your prompt -- i think it would be a very solid legal ground if they were to expel

these characters, once that we've been seeing doing criminal act, breaking into buildings and the like. you're writer people have a right to protest but what we have been seeing has gone well beyond protesting. what we have seen his hatred and anti-semitism, we've seen an outrageous disrespect and disregard for law enforcement, we've seen active support for terrorism. all of this horrible things, you know, it disrupts in my view columbia would be 100% in its right to expel these people. >> neil: we'll follow it very closely. can imagine the paraspinal well you just been through -- phone out of school. mostly how that goes. we're monitoring on what's going on columbia and some of these two does in other colleges and universities around the country who have had varying ways of dealing with this. in texas -- colombia well not so tough. >> ♪ ♪

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>> neil: in case you're waiting for news that kids were taken over columbia university have -- hamilton hall and they just -- they're staying there for a while. this economic building first opened in 1907 its name after alexander hamilton and, of course, what had king's college there was columbia's original name i think it -- even alexander hamilton would have trouble recognizing other stuff going on right now. a go to -- it's not only a columbia and is popping up reasonable limitations all over the country into varying degrees in varying responses. >> neil, these quotas are affecting student access and education here at ucla you can see the area is off-limits to all students here, and also a schmuck actually spoke to a jewish doctor on saturday who stopped from going to the office and told by police he would be inciting violence if he tried to cart -- cross the encampment.

>> this has now become a criminal event and it's no longer considered to be a public order or free-speech event. >> so about two weeks ago at columbia since then now 46 of the nation's top 50 universities including north carolina were this morning chapel hill police arrested 30 pro-palestinian protesters this morning who are now demanding amnesty, no prosecution, no suspension. portland state police did arrest 75 individuals who have broken into unoccupied campus library forcing officials to cancel classes today. now in texas bullies there arrested 80 on monday, also six arrested at tulane, nine at the university of florida and 44 at the mercy of den denver. where students are demanding the mixture of any company doing business in israel.

>> were going to be here until ornaments are meant. >> they want tell us how our own tuition money is aiding a genocide across the world. >> here in california the uc chancellor is on a different -- using private security but last night they did have to call in police in riot gear after 50 jewish counter protesters tried to walk through the campus through the encampment and one student we spoke to yesterday said he was literally blocked from using a walkway because he was jewish. >> i'm usually a student, i deserve to go here, we pay tuition, visit our school and are not letting me go. made classes over here, i want to use that entrance, will you let me go in? this can be over in a second just let me and my friends go in class. >> so because of those last -- no one earlier this

morning actually in the one that you saw yesterday with the student being blocked, ucla has not issued a statement about two hours ago saying that student code of conduct will be enforced and people will be subject to suspension or discipline if they violate students policies, however, that doesn't apply to those who are in this tent behind me. back to you. >> neil: thank you. in the meantime here the administration is getting some criticism from not being bolder or stronger in it's response to all of this. aishah hasnie seeing it for ten on capitol hill with the education secretary of the united states. >> that's right the education secretary says that they are now investigating over a hundred cases of title vi violations nationwide including two at columbia in the meantime house republicans are so tired of watching and waiting for leadership at these universities to try to do something about the anti-semitism they say they now have two top end and they're launching a house wide crackdown or mark more

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♪ ♪ >> neil: all right, we are learning that claim by university officials, as well as mayor eric adams of new york, are going to be holding a joint news conference coming up at 6:00 p.m. eastern time, a little bit more than an hour from now.

we will keep you posted on that and those development as these protests continue and expand to other institutions around the country come as well be able columbia probably the more noteworthy. noteworthy. to washington right now where the education secretary was drilled on this. the administration has done to address this or respond to this, aishah hasnie on capitol hill with more. hey, aishah. >> hey there, neil. secretary cardona reported the office of civil rights is office of civil rights is investigating a whopping 137 cases of title vi violations nationwide, and that includes a two cases at columbia, and because of the sheer volume they have received, he is asking congress for more money to add more investigators. >> do you have people at columbia right now on the scene to see what is going on there? do you have staff there to watch? watch? >> i do not have staff -- >> does the civil rights office have somebody up there? >> i do not have staff at the

columbia university. >> and so investigation is one thing but do you think right now that this administration is upholding title vi? >> we are with the resources that we have we are here to request additional invest investigators. >> meanwhile speaker johnson is taking matters into his own hands. he announced today a house wide crackdown on these universities. the education chair announced the education chair announced that she is calling in the presence of yale, ucla, and michigan to come testify next month. judiciaries now digging into how many students on a visa are a sp espousing terrorism on cam. oversight who is funding these protests and ways and means demanding schools expose any donations they are receiving from foreign governments. johnson also for the first time commented about a possible commented about a possible censure resolution by congressman don bacon against congressman don bacon against congresswoman ilhan omar after she said that some jewish students are pro-genocide. >> would you support a censure

resolution against the congresswoman? >> i think that speech is detestable. she is on exactly the wrong side of the issue. i haven't spoken with congresswoman bacon about the censure resolution but we will look at it. >> neil, i actually just tried to ask the congresswoman about these comments, i asked her if she regret regretted them, she was on her way to a press conference and she actually shushed me, so there you have it. >> neil: oh, shushed you. i. aishah, i appreciate that. we have senator chris coons with us from delaware. of course the biden reelection campaign cochair and many other titles come as well, senator, always good to have you. you have heard this criticism of the education secretary, whether he should have staff there on site, he doesn't. some concerns that the administration has had kind of a flat-footed response to this. what do you think? >> well, neil, i am not familiar with whether or not the secretary of education has staff

somewhere. forgive me, senator tillis and i just concluded a two hour hearing on ai and deepfakes, so i may not be as current on exactly what is happening peer from what i have picked up about coverage today, there continues to be understandable and widespread concern that protesters on campus are going beyond expressing passionately their views on an issue and are using violence and disruption to prevent some of their classmates from going to clamp us, to jewish students feel unsafe on campus and it is my hope that the administration is on university and college campuses will act to ensure that there is civility and respect, and that frankly, they are teaching young americans how to have disagreements in a responsible and civil way. we hear in congress have an obligation to model that conduct, and frankly, young americans need to show the world that they can disagree over

something as important and urgent as the conflict between israel and hamas in a way that doesn't interfere with classes or inflame tensions by taking the side of those who have committed horrific acts. >> still, you do have to be a little worried, right? your crucial support for president biden and the big democratic convention in chicago of all places this year, with protests that are legendary back in the 1968 -- are you worried, senator, this will get out of control? >> what i am peripherally hopeful about today, neil, their urgent ongoing conversations in the middle east right now. secretary blinken is there. other senior representatives of the biden administration are there. meeting with saudi and egyptian and israeli leaders, trying to secure the release of hostages still held by hamas, trying to secure a humanitarian cease-fire

in gaza, and trying to lay the pathway for a regional security alliance to contain iran. this is something that many of us on a bipartisan basis have been working for. of course, the protests on campus is concerning and the way in which this is fueling division here in the united states, but the biden administration is delivering aid into gaza to address the humanitarian situation, and is continuing to support our vital ally israel. in the broader context, the thing i hope your viewers realize, for months will work on a bipartisan basis to try and bring together the saudis and the israelis to move ahead exactly the deal that was moving ahead on october 6th, that hamas acted in a brutal and violent way to try and prevent, to try and prevent peace in the middle east. >> neil: real quickly, sir, you do have to worry about where this goes, and i know you are saying you are doing all the

right things but it seems to be alienating those who have support and those who hate israel. israel. you can't win for love or money on the spirit >> that's true. >> neil: are you concerned this will blow up in your face at the convention? >> well, my hope, the convention is months away, that between here and there, we will achieve a pathway towards peace in the middle east. if we don't, if this gets worse, yes, it will accelerate division. here in congress, in the united states, and around the world -- >> neil: so you don't think this is going to be another 1968, bottom line, you don't see another 1968 so far? another 1968 so far? >> i certainly hope not. >> neil: editor, thank you so much come appreciate knowing just coming out of that meeting come appreciate you taking the time. where this goes is anyone's guess. we will follow that pressure that hasn't mayor adams and the nypd, i think i misspoke. ♪ ♪ >> dana: or hello, i am dana perino come on the