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>> laura: good evening come i am laura ingraham and this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. the great deflection. that is the focus of tonight's "angle." now the globalist insisted that if the house didn't relent and push for the $60 billion for that losing the war effort in ukraine, america would lose credibility because vladimir putin would rush totute berlin and trying to embolden to move on taiwan. weakness is what the world would see. but now that speaker mike johnson has madee jozelenskyy, northam come run happy for it by getting money to your crane, we have the respect that as a country, right? oh course not!rse if you care about the way america is perceived around thee world, you should be enraged that donald trump is on trial in new york. these are the types of election-year shenanigans that happen in other countries in

third world the talker sees, not in the united states, come on! by his press minions areon ecstatic. anything to avoid covering the border or gas prices or food prices. >> from where i was sitting, he seemed basically inert. he kind of shrugged his shoulders and i'm a slump shouldered person and slump shoulder like this when he came thein sitting there and leaning heavily on the desk. there are times he leaned onee o side or the other. he seems thinner than i have seen him in the past, he seems considerably older. and he seems annoyed, resigned, may be angry. he seems like , maa man who is l miserable. ike hei know he seemed old, tir. >> laura: well, look, if that is the new barometer, well, what

is biden's excuse.s because if trump is mad, he has right to be and so do all of you. an impartial observer knows that the new york media is doingin everything it can tog influence the jury. and even the trial, the illustrious new york slimes published a piece titled "will a mountain of evidence be enough to convict trump?"th and the official record, the peoples versus the state of new york donald trump, for now the people have the stronger hand.er they have insider witnesses my favorable jury pole and a payoff porn star. every juror should have beenas asked and i don't think they were, maybe they were come i don't think they were if he oros she read or even skimmed or even saw that headline, read theline article. by the way, "the new york times" doesn't pretend to be objective. you have to read to the end to read the pivotal point about how

their star witness, michael cohen, has his own credibility issues to overcome. he is a convicted felon and an admitted liar. bufelot at least he has nonlawys on tv trying to lend a hand. >> sometimes you have inc. -- you all talked about a witness you have to rehabilitate when they get on the stand. i think it is also true that michael cohen along with theumen documents, but just his personality, he may actually be a very good witness, especially with these jurors here and we will wait and see,th but it's, e communicates well. >> laura: he communicates well? low bar. the man is a chug heades w and n former celebrity reporters can't see that he's a jughead. as we demonstrated, bragg's case is the epitome and election meddlingelec here at the underlg payments if anything are o misdemeanors and the statue of limitations is run on him. if this is all secondary to the

regime media or where real reporters love covering real campaigns, these people love affording them. >> this is the first of potentially four criminal trialt trump could face this year going into the presidential election. he still needs to talk to voters. >> joe biden is doing the opposite of a rose garden bid strategy. he is s out there on the campain trail. >> laura: okay, all right, you forgot about the pacbell biden rallies, oh, the convenient store stops. those convenient store stops are with enthusiasm. ♪ ♪ the only one excited was the cameraman there. i don't even think that person was too excited. almost everything you are going

to hear about this trial, almost everything, is pure propaganda at this point. it is meant to demoralized trump supporters, but what it does is expose the media. >> he sits behind the defense in the courtroom and trying to, improvise his campaign scheduler they get one day a week of may wednesday in the middle of the week and only so much you can do with the limited time they have. >> only so much you can do with limited time -- opaque my real journalist would be concerned the voters are getting a distorted picture with trump sidelined by state prosecutor of the opposite party. a real journalist would see if this practice becomes the norm will never have a real election again, just a series of focus indictments by state ag's or city das designed to skewed the campaign. look, these phony journalists aren't thinking about they ramifications of any of those here they are just relishing the moment and acting as the asunofficial alms team of the bn

campaign. >> it seems as though biden is closing the gap. they were supposed to have a campaign in north carolina but nothing on the schedule, there is nothing for about over a week. reality sinking and he can't just be wednesdays and saturdays in this campaign. >> laura: that is the whole isn't it? just as biden needed covid asas the excuse to keep him in the basement, he needs trump stuck in court off of the trail if he's ever going to have a prayer every election. ofwill this work? not if trump plays his cards right. most americans come i think, have their view of this trial here or there is no point in relitigating it every day the courtroom. so i would say instead of talking about the trial, pivoted to the news of the day and put biden on trial. reiterate that americans deserve e aa real campaign, a real ageny

for prosperity, a real border, and i think he, the candidate, will deliver all of it pure to come voting time, voters should reject what is a grand effort at rejection. and remember it is biden's record oian trial. he should be convicted multiple accounts of aggravated assault causing grievous injury to the america we knew and still love. and that is "the angle" pure joy meet jonathan turley and law professor, fox news contributor, jonathan let's start with the first witness david becker from her and ceo american inc. he read why is he important tom them? and what does it telwhl you abot bragg's case? >> it was a rather bizarre stari because he's talking abouts no something that's not part of the indictment. it's like having a bank robbery case and they are starting out

with taxting evasion witness. if i was one oaxf the jurors, ia would be confused, is that somehow part of this odd o conspiracy defrauding effort bye the president? and the answer is "no" pier they got the judge to agree to bring tthis in to show a pattern, but frankly, it has very little to linchpins they have to esta establish. does the evidence showed that trump had the intent to somehow commit fraud?nt tmmit and part of that is still this search for what crime trump was trying to conceal? because even after the first day of this trial, not just on this network. teople are debating with tha crime is.su at the suggestion is that he did all of this because he committed a federal election law crime. but the department of justice rejected that.

they did not prosecute, did not charge them and many experts in the field said no, this is not a federal crime. so if you get even below the surface by 1 millimeter, you are left with a really confusing case. >> laura: well, judge merchan allowed d.a. alvin bragg to bring up in cross examination if trump testifies some of the old trump behavior, you know, letitia james, king carol case. showed, first of all, but did you think of that ruling? to me, that seemed unbelievably political, it sen my view. but is that trying to scare trump away from exercising his constitutional right to testifyt in his own defense, even if you think that is the wrong thing to do? it seems strange. >> i thought it was surprising in the broad scope because hrprl could have allowed that tolo coe

in if it became relevant for impeachment if trump tripped a wire that was to those cases.s, but he went broad and as a b result most criminal defense attorney said don't take the stand. i'm not one of the attorneys come i'm a criminal defense attorney but i'm not one of the defense attorneys that reflect always says, let's not take the stand. let'attorneys be conservative. but i think celebrity cases my you sometimes need to take the stand. but after that ruling, no, i would advise him not to do it. the risks are too high. i t.this is a very weak case he rd going on the stand really gives the district attorney a chance to try to revive it. >> laura: now, president trump, he frequently will go outside of the courtroom and then comment about what happened inside of the courtroom.

now, we used to have some clients that like to do that as well. as lawyers, we were like "no, let us handle it. we are litigating the case you are you will not win it outside." he has his own man and will make his own decisions but on thatat particular score, what would you suggest if you had to suggest t a client, even a celebrity d client. does that make sense or could you give ammo to the other side unwittingly by doing so? >> i think it is a mistake mis because they say football games are won by inches. you can give up any yards with one ill considered statement. that stuff can be admissible.. i think you have to be much moru careful from this point on in what you say. you can talk about a lot of things, but you've got to be careful because you are in the middle of a mine field you don't want to misstep. >> laura: jonathan, going back

to "the new york times" piece, the mountain of evidence against former president trump. i don't know if the jurors were asked about this, but that basically laid out the entire prosecution, prosecution's case arguing recently for the prosecution. and again, it raises this question, how do you get impartial jury because it is jury tampering by "the new york times"? >> first of all, you need a true snail view that this is a mountain. because a bird'si don't see it. what i see is a bunch of unconnected facts that aren't ultimately linked to a felony crime. in fact, they are linked to a dead misdemeanor. but look, we know this is going to happen. you see this already, even though legal liberal experts don't see the crime either andcr certainly never seen a case like this one. the media is expected to become this echo chamber for the district attorney.

and even if you tell jurors to avoid the news, there was no real guarantee that they are going to do that. they will be in a city that is absolutely saturated with it. the defense has to go in and assume all of those fail-safes have failed, and that you willgn have to make that case even mstronger in the courtroom. >> laura: jonathan, always wonderful to see you. thank you. all right, a judge swept down new york ag letitia james latest attempt to topple trump. plus, what is happening this plus, what is happening this week to change the course of trump's trials? we examine it next. ♪ ♪ and retirement savings. presentation looks great. thanks! thanks! voya provides tools that help you make the right investment and benefit choices so you can reach today's financial goals. that one! and look forward, to a more confident future. that is one dynamic duo. voya, well planned,

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♪ ♪ >> laura: this bogus hush money trial gets underway in manhattan. letitia james with her crusade against trump. s been mightily, if you recall, $70 billion bond validated. but a new york judge ruled against her.>> >> a she walks away and normalla had a trial on $175 million, that is letitia james. she won't come to the white house, by the way. when you look at the numbers, they are around $1,000,000,000.18 billion. she just tried to embarrass

everybody come and she tried to embarrass the company by saying they were not credit worthy.twor >> laura: regarding that classified documents case, by wednesday of this week, theand grand jury testimony transcript of former trump aid set to bele released. and then thursday is the big one, the supreme court will hear arguments on trump's's presidential immunity claim. joining me to tell senator mike lee and also with me mike davis, article 3 projecr founder, former core search clerk. let's start with you, senator supreme court case, a lot has beenprem said about youo do you think it would be likely a majority of this court would say that president trump orr presidential immunity applies to these cases?s? >> yeah, i certainly think it should be likely and i think it will be likely. the reason is this: there can be

no dispute no matter how loud liz cheney and the democratic party want to shout. no matter around gossiping around the water cooler aboutte legal theories they can come up with next. president donald trump was, in fact, president of the united states january 6th. and you have to respect that fact in court lest every president moving forward isto going to be hobbled by a short awareness and the fact anything he or she may do could wind up bringing that president into court once the president is no longer in office. we don't want that as a country. i think the supreme court knows that is not workable nor justifiable under the courts jurisprudence. >> laura: speaking of liz cheney she wrote this in the op-ed in "the new york times," the supreme cour guint should actld quickly and of course published in "the new york times.". the justice should recognize profoundly negative impact thedy may have if the court does nott resolve these issues quickly and

decisively. mike, now she's an unofficial litigant petitioner before the court. >> i would say te coo liz cheney come i would say to liz cheney and these other watchdog lou republican politicians, this is so much bigger than donald trump. this is about the presidency.an if you can indict it president of the united states for his official acts, not his personal x, his official acts, we are going to destroy the presidency, and therefore disprove the mic destroyed the president. can the justice department charge president obama forca picapital murder for his extrajudicial drone strike of two american citizens, including a minor? ann thd the seven justice depart charge illegal mass parole of migrants into the country and resulting crimes? do the democrats really want to go down this path? >> laura: senator i think of

chief justice roberts who was kind of institutionalist. he likes to stand for the executive branch, and i think othersr th on the court do as w. again, this could be put an end to all of these cases. but i'm concerned that there also might be through the court running this fear of their ownye credibility, being put at issue, if indeed, they short-circuit. the democrats tried to short-circuit. >> let's take chief justice roberts as your question was directed to him principally. first and foremost, you are right,s an laura, he is an institutionalist. wants to make sure the constitution isdifi solidified in a way that allows for each of these institutions, each of these prebranches to continueinst operating as coorde branches within the federal government. that is unworkable.

if living breathing embodiment of the entire executive branch of government has toranc live eo moment of four year presidency under the brooding threat of eventual litigation and criminal charges over official acts taken by that person while that person was president, it doesn't work. chief justice roberts is going to see that, yes, politicalossc crosscurrents hear, hear at about legally, they should be a no-brainer for at least a majority if not unanimous court. >> laura: mike and rainsenator lee, thank you both. mom behavior taking over alleger campuses and passover begins tonight. a student was stabbed in. the ee with a palestinian flag and speaks out next. >> okay, now there is a wall. [chanting] ♪ ♪

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>> laura: from the river to the tree, oh, is it c?aura what a waste of a college degree. >> violating the rights of thehe palestinians. [chanting] >> free palestine! >> palestine will be free! >> laura: forget plaguing ultimate frisbee on the lawn or enjoying a quiet coffee on a study break. this is what the students on ivy league campus are doing in their free time. setting up what they call gaza solidarity encampments, yes, ane jewish students on edge at columbia university leading administrators to cancel in-person classes just tngo be safe. not exactly a happy passover appeared 20 me with the details been there all day fox news national correspondent from alexis mcadamsms, tell us what is going on tonight?

>> hey, laura, the last time i talked to at the protest to makk friends but i haven't made any columbia campus today. i want to show you what's going on. you can check it out over our i shoulder and this is the encampment we are talking aboutu nypd remains on high alert. more tents popping up and youalr can see as we stand and the crowd, the people, students, chanting, singing and 100 tents and counting stio far.ng they took these down the other day but hey come already back up here this comes as growing calls for the president of columbia tn step down after a handfulp of protesters to be checked out arrested in front of the gates of columbia university hours after the columbia president shifted all students to virtual classes calling for a reset. we will see what that means on campus. protests at columbia and nyuumbi continued to appear they started at columbia, but they are popping up at campuses across the country. we also have talked with policen

sources near nyu and there will be arrests possible over there.v police officers ine place and t is private property and that means and why you had to communicate with nypd to help clear ot encampments which have been going on. also, this video taken at columbia shows what happens when you enter these encampments. this person tried to take cell phone video as they made a human chain telling them to get out of the area. we will show you alings we comet here live and we will talk to the students but they have their faces covered appear they do have the media contacts with tried to talk to them what they expecting the next few days. set up,e so many things they don'tey d plan to go anywhe just yet, laura. >> laura: alexis, do they have bathrooms, porta-potties? this looks like a regular homeless encampment in d.c. come i couldn't tell the difference. these tents are regular in washington, d.c. >> i didn't see any bathrooms

the last time i talk to nypd, that was what was already set up here appear at a food, shelter's they set up, and portable bathrooms, temporary bathrooms. none of that in place yet. they spent hours and put so mans police hours to get this out of the way anhourd it comes back ua few hours later.th atthat is what is happening at u and all of the country.ningny >> laura: alexis, you are very friendly. i think you should actually worr on trying to make more friends.i i can't wait until you find somr friends because i really want to hear it. alexis, thank you so much. >> thanks. >> laura: over to gail university where the police swept campus arresting 47 pro-hamas protesters. estebut those security presence isn't making students feel safe next my next guest, jewish students are followed and she said harassed, an end even assaulted. >> how long have you been here?

>> we will not stop! >> see come i move forward. >> we will not stop and we will not rest. >> laura: joining ee now hard talk editor of the free press. that video abruptly ended as yop started yelling. what happened? >> sure. so, as i was protest come as was soon as i was identified as basically as a jewish student, i was blockaded by multipleed protest organizers who created a human blockade, which thentwee pinned me in between them and yhostile rally attendees that circled around me. question so that video, dancing around me and taunted me and said things to my face until one

took his palestinian flag, waved it and jabbed me in the eye. after i tried to chase after my assailant, they blocked me so i couldn't chase him down so they could protect him. >> laura: it seems quite traumatizing and you are there tryingdocu to document what is happening to jewish students.pp what happen when you areen tryig to find out the identity of the person who hit you , i want to showi wa this to the viewers. >> i want you to figure out, what do you really want to get out of this? >> i would like to [indistinct] no, we are stalling. i am uncomfortable. >> laura: now, who was that? did you ultimately find out whoi her to you? y ou>> so, that was one of the may rally organizers that wanted to basically ensure that i didn't

find who the assailant was. we did not find him in the end. >> laura: well, investigating the assault and the university does not tolerate violence,io threats,le intimidation, members of the community providing support to a student who made the report appear they also saya they gail president sent a message to the community addressingthe the protest and affirming campus safety, peace assembly and civil discourse. look, when you listen to the pro palestinian, pro-hamas, as we called them, protesters, they paint very different picture.e. one that was interviewed by nbc, a sophomore from michigan at yale, one of the people arrester said, "it was very brittle. we were all crying. i was asleep and we were wokenwe up by shouts. and the police were here. it was very cold.

i went out with my blanket andnt we were all singing and cryingot together." so, that is what they are saying. they are peaceful, proceeding peacefully, and apparently, they are the ones being brutalized and taunted.co they are raising free-speech concerns as well. >> well i'm i have friends assaulted at columbia as wellol yuriko began, the assailants ar part of these groups and protected by these groups. they create environments of violence and assault for jewish students for and try to claim victimhood when they face the consequences. >> laura: zohar, excuse me, i know this is passover. do you get the sense that theyth understood that it was the e passover holiday about to begi did they care? >> the only interest they have and jewish holidays is j weaponizing them against jewish people. a reminder, standing, the

protesters at yale are doing a seder for palestine. >> laura: oh, boy here this isaa when i'm glad i'm not on collegl campuses anymore. we hope you are okay. thank you for being out there and peaceful protests is the answer for all sides. p thank you, greatro to see you. happy passover. now,t to democrats are trying ta pull biden out of the debates here are the ridiculous reasons why next. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> laura: now, if he's really going to avoid doing any a presidential debates, b-17 will need a large block and tackle operation or maybe he just needs one large man. >> a look at donald trump'sald debating style, he lies and lies and lies, and it is so hard to respond to that.t but i also think joe biden is a terrific debater. he understands the issues. donald trump doesn't read, doesn't understand any of these issues. >> wait a second, wait a second, biden reads what exactly, the back of the cap'n crunch cereal box? look, this one has pinkberry's in it. now, the debate chatter amongstg

the corporate is classic table setting. they are working overtime to dehumanize and denigrate donald trump in order to laterru mpsay that biden should not debe batehim because to debate trump would be to insult and debase the presidency. now recall how biden sold himself to voters in 2020 that he would be the protector of institutions. that two and the chaos and return us to normalcy.turn look, we know we did the the opposite right down to gutting title ix in order to hurt woment and girls that help transgender kids. if he says "no" to open debates of any recent commit will will be the first time the party's nominee have done so since 1996. joining me now to integral this juan williams fox news contributor, senior politicals and senior majority -- , let's startwith you, why doese

is momentum building for biden to nix these debates and will he? >> well my hope he won't.is i think the momentum is coming from the trump camp and i think it is clear they want to establish a demand for a debateb the problem for them is that trump didn't debate republicans and the republican primary. it is unusual and i say someoneo has covered politics for alife lifetime, laura, usually, you never hear a winning candidate being the one calling for early debates. in this case, i think the trumpm camp has been pushing the idea, you know, biden is an old man, incompetent, a fool, afraid of debates. they are using this to botchn. biden end. if biden says no , i'm not going to push for early debates and commitments to debates. they will say that is because

biden's' afraid to. >> laura: ned to come at nixed n one of the debates in 2020 and a lot of people were saying that was a big mistake because ithe opens the door to democrats especially biden skipping the future. your thoughts on this. >> again i'm honestly come i would like to see debates between august 22nd, that is when the dnc convention ends and september 4th, the first absentee ballots drop. i don't think i will sleep meaningful presidential debatesy this year if any at all and there is a reason for that. i don't think democrats want biden on the stage for t 15 minutes with a dismal record on immigration, inflation, the economy. i think they are hoping, too, some cover on ducking debates with trump and not debate a convicted felon but at the end of the day i don't think theyfe care. the biden campaign doesn't care about debates but they want the cover from the corporate media.

and i think they are banking on smashed politics in the southern battleground states that will matter and click more ballots than trumputh- and win the white house and who cares abouts madebates or persuasion? >> laura: the country would actually benefit from seeingg both men, and i would say with no moderators., but subject, may be a moderator comes out and says "immigration." e and go says his peac back and forth and go to the economy, then foreign policy,to ukraine or whatever you want. to me that would tell us a lot, what are your thoughts on that? >> you are right. i love debates and i think voters like them too appear there is no question about it. but what happens? ifif y you are in the trump cam, laura, look, we are going to haveha a debate. the first question is, do you think 202020 election was stolen? where did that come from or? asking about what happenedwhat january 6th. i want to talk about my issues.a

you know, that is not going to be easy for donald trump either. so, he has to say, do i agree to work with the league of women voters and the presidential debate commission? do you want third party candidates on the stage?e. those are the decisions of trump camp has to deal with as well.an >> laura: ned, one of the leading thinkers on never trumper side is writer david from from atlantic. he has an explanation fromto justification to keep biden from having to debate, watch. >> the president do an event p bin frwith a underground.blac in the black panthers. what you are giving permission tok pa do is i'm not with trump overthrowing the constitution violence part. but i'm worried about the food prices. that should not be -- >> that is insane they are still running on this whole idea january 6 was an insurrection pier they will try

to bank on that and use an excuse for biden to not debate trump. the fact of the matter is theyin are both presidents. the american people deserve toeo see the debate on the issues. i don't think we will see meaningful debates, laura. we are in the era, laura, persuasion and votes do not carry the weight they use to. it is all about ballots. i don't think they care. i don't think the corporate media will keep biden making total eyden e on this.>> and just ducked debates. >> laura: it is tragic for the country, ned and juan thank you both.ri tia megastar is and anonymously. "seen and unseen" is next with raymond.

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>> laura: it is time forun "seen and unseen" where we refill the stories behind the headlines. fox news contributor, raymond arroyo. raymond come i was disheartenedo to see patrick mahomes has joined the rock, not endorsing

anyone this presidential season. everyone got the memo, laura. some big names have been surrogates for the biden campaign. people like john legend michael douglas. >> we are very clear. a lot saids be about a general e other things. both of them are owed, but one e of them is really decent mande who's done a lot to improve lives in this country, and that is joe biden. >> you and biden are the same t age. do you wish he would have bowed out and let somebody else choosey ? the people that i have talked tn and everybody that i have, say he's as sharp as a tack. he's fine. >> he's as sharp as a tech butt not to check the old biden joe defense, laura. anr at earth day event and i guh

it depends on the tacky use for comparison. watch. >> i have seen devastating toll of climate firsthandt ha. i think about climate and i a think not only about health anda safety, but i think about jobs. new chemical plants with toxic pollutions. it affected delaware. we have the highest cancerre rae in the 1970s of any nation,. any state information. guess. guess what? a lot of us, me included ended up with prong bronchial asthma. >> what did he almost say, bronchial cancer? what it was that? that broughts untu uncle boise's cuisine, cannibal cuisine. that is where it did not pan out either.f he makes this up to say this is as sharp as a tack but i hate to see a dole one. >> laura: michael douglas is s isquite compelling when he ofr

second hand observations as well. people i know who spent time with say, he is -- okay, let'sd spend some time with them and an least come out after spending your own timtee with him and say something. >> plausible deniability, laura. one celebrity not hitting theai gncampaign trial like the rest r joe bidee ren is michelle obama. but she is trying to generate excitement by engaging the little people with an all-new target. >> i heard my paperback is out and it is in target.o so we are going to go undercover because i have not seen my book. in action in a target store. we will try to do this low-key. let's see how it works. should i do a reading here? [laughs] something for me, something for

my husband. >> check. >> see you guys later. >> laura, this is like goi george h.w. bush going to the grocery store.an no one buys this. aside from her staff, she had no interaction with anyone at target. this is the razzle-dazzle and it'szl kind of wiring then at ts point. nobody cares. >> laura: she looks really thin and. looks pretty good. i think she tried to do thisng w before. when she was first lady, she went to i think it was a target or walmart. i can't remember what store, but she's done this routine before. was it target? she likes to promote target. i guess she will sell a ton of books. are people still reading books?? >> what is remarkable to me shen is not out there beating the drum for biden. >> laura: she will. >> the obama's are hanging back. and laura, there is one celebritura,y that team b18 is

hoping will declare for joe, the one taylor swift.wi but despitfte her endorsement lt time, maybe she is thinking she should have said "no." she focused on a new album whicu pace magazine just panned. do you see that? >> laura: i don't read "pace," but young kids, raymond, myif daughter's age love taylor swift but they don't love necessarily neher new review. that was brutal, her new album. they gave the tortured poets department 3 out of 6 out of 10 i mean she is in her 30s and she is in vandalizing her audience more than ever before.i >> aou brutal takedown. the editors know the pace magazine, they decided to suppress the author's byline fearing for the safety of the staff. apparently, this guy some day before one of the early albums

reviewed her into went crazy bul the 2024 -- but the writers and in hiding. >> laura: it is like '40s, wasn't it like 40 or 35 albums of the song? and south florida, raymond wanting a new class devoted to the study of taylor swift. >> you know, it is amazing to me, laura, they are late in the game actually.un four whether universities already beat them to the pound including harvard. the university ofatch florida is catching up. but >> laura: we are out of time. we are out of time, repayment. >> a london pub. >> laura: raymond, thiothes is another black >> israel --