race so much money, like we've never seen before because they know the candidate has problems, speaking is a no what we know that he should've be anywhere close to the white house the loan the white house and fighting out publicly, president biden to cummins program, preferably interview and barack obama, bill clinton, chuck schumer, antony blinken and kamala harris, bernie sanders, hakeem jeffries, aoc, the whole crowd. just one of you, take me up, and a promise you that i will be nice and i'll see you next tim on life, liberty & levin ♪ ♪k of >> trey: good evening and thank you for joining us. i'm trey gowdy and it is "sunday night in america." how woulrd you like a job where youse shoulder the

responsibility but have little control and where you arelitt expected to swallow the blame but share the success? s where you don't hire your coworkers and have little meansr to reward or punish or discipline a job where you spend most of your spare time raisings money for colleagues, some of whom have short memories? the speaker of the house is third in line from presidency but first in line for the blame even in dividementd government n you only have onhalfe half of one-third of the control. congressman mike johnson was content working on the issues that matter most to him and the people of louisiana. but when kevin mccarthy washnso ousted by republicans, congressman mike johnson became speaker mike johnson here and you will not find a colleaguewih with a negative word to say about him personally. but he presides over ath razor-thin majority, getting smaller by the day in a political environment that rewards fame overwork and volume over depth.

already, he has faceo ked colles whofo voted to keep republican bills off of the floor and no i one colleague found a motion to vacate the chair yet again.ic so what are realistic s expectations for a speaker with a bare majority in divided government immersed in a political world that creates trauma over incremental progress? let's find out. the speaker of the house, mike johnson, the great state of louisiana, joins us now, happyer easter.nd welcome to us, mr. speaker, great to see you again and realistic expectations, what are realistic expectations when you only have one half of one-thirdn of government, and that includes g.o.p. members from districts where joe biden joe biden actually won. >> yo-yo, you defined it well the modern congress and that iso the environment in which we have to perform.ving happy easter, speed trey, andpl e more we wish the american peoe

understood appear this is not an easy job as you noted, but look what we have the smallest majority leader righ yout now in u.s. history. we have one vote market and use all the numbers provided but when you do the math, you get a majority vote and i can only lose won. we will not get the legislation we desire and prefer if we haveu the senate anddd we had the white house, republicans inns i charge of several years ago.o be we would be doing the things we want but often times we had to play defense.de we have to stop the biden agenda. by god's grace, we have been able to do that and that is with the majority is used for beer there are three things i'm trying to be an investor of hopt on easter sunday. but we can do this job and we can grow the majority and we have to do that to save the republic. t that is leader. in the november elections but what we have to do is three thi simple things. we have to show the americanw tr people what we are poor and not what we are against. we have to stand for the core principles and stand and show the contrast between us andleft radical leftists drawing public policy.

number two, we have to unite youre to be stand together. when we do that, especially with razor-thin majority as we have, r negotiationbette in the back. where we will be able to havee greater standing of the democratic party.d third, we have to drive thetive conservative agenda and get the l wounds that are s possible right now. securing the borders, standing up for china, unleashing american energy, saving american jobs, doing the things the american people want us tocans , but we have to realize i can't throw evera helmet hail mary pae we have to get the next down,pe keep moving and show what we cae work for.pers >> trey: you have always been a person of hope and faith, fai which is why i enjoy talking to you while we were colleaguesho because i'm a hopeless cynic. and you actually are hopeful. let's go to one issue, they were members who want to provide aidy orou loan to ukraine and others who do not. as the speaker of the house, how do you decide what to put on the

floor and how much of the majority is enough, and when to put on the floor?mike >> great question. what we have to do in an era of divide d government historically as we are is you have an open senses. if you want to move apart as a measure, we have to have everyte single member literally.arti some things need to be bipartisan. we talked about the supplement people or has heard so much about which is the think the president presented several monthsnths ago. code that the national security sybil mendelwe and included ukraine, israel, the title the pacific region and also the border appear to bewe said thank you,e re mr. president because we have all said we will talk about national security that begins at the border so we try to use that. that is only leverage ween have to force change the border. and we tried to force him to use the executive authority and most people know he has thatit authority and has not used it as they open the border intentionally. we work and build a consensus talking to the members especially when we return after

this work period and we will move a product, but it will havn important innovations. the rico act and if we can useth the seized assets of rational guards to allow the ukrainians to fight them, that is pure poeo president trump has talked aboun the loan where we are not justa giving foreign aid but setting up in a relationship to back to us when the time is right he would we want to unleash americanamer energy. exp we want to have natural gas exports that will help unfundedo vladimir putin's war effortof t there. there is a lot of things we should do to make more sense. i think we will have consensuse around putting a product together and moving right after this. >> trey: speaker, there is a pending motion debate from a member from georgia, which sort of illustrates where we are politically. we lost two close senate seats in georgia. republicans di td to eminently d senate seats but i think there

should be better time spent looking to reclaim those to those two g.o.p., those two senate seats in georgia as opposed to hanging over your head. but you are on easter recesscess right now. how does it help the g.o.p. growth majority to talk about a motion to vacate instead of talking about the border orbo inflation or other issuenflas tt better with the g.o.p.? how is this motion to vacate help when the majority will win of better majority? >> i don't think it does in all my other republican colleagues inrecognize this as a distractin from the mission. the mission is to save the republic and the only way to do that win the house majority and win the white house. you don't need dissension right now. marjorie taylor can found the motion and it doesn't move i automatically.stra she is frustrated. she and i exchanged text messages today. we will talk next week andd marjorie as a friend and she's

very frustrated about, for example the last appropriationss bill. guess what, so am i as we discussed, trey. pieces of legislation you and i and marjorie would grab if we had the ability to do it. d with the smallest merge filmic margin and history will getn legislation we don't like. the democrats know when we don't stand together as the majority,r they have a better negotiationha position. that is why we got some of theli things we didn't like.ep s we fought like warrior poets tom keep senate appropriationse and earmarks out of the bill. bel and we were successful in getting a lot of the terrible stuff out. but if you made it through.roug and marjorie is upset about andt i am too. i want to talk to her about reforming the budget and that is what republicans are for.ge the transformational changes that we can forge if we stand together. >> trey: congressman did not want to the speaker first time from a seconw

time, third time and he wasd so drafted.a he was truly a reluctant leader if there is sucher a thing, that is what you are. it impossibly difficult job and happy easter to you and your family and thank you for joining us easter sunday. >> thank you, brother, be blessed. >> trey: you too peered up next to the peacock got its feathers ruffled and actually te feathers turn blue. joe concha joins us on thehe hiring and firing of ronna mcdaniel. ♪ ♪

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not everyone was dancing yuriko somewhere telling us how virtuous they were are forgettingpr their own past and present. >> our democracy is in danger because of the lives of ronna mcdaniel who have pushed on the country. >> we didn't ask and in the opinion toobab hire but we would strongly reject to it for several reasons, she hases t credibility issues she still has to deal with. she is speaking for self or is she speaking on behalf of who is paying her? >> you wouldn't hire a pickpocket to work as a tsa screener. so i find a decision to put her on the payroll inexplicable. >> trey: i have spoken to the lead singer of youtube more than i've spoken to ronna mcdaniel. we didn't run in the same circles here and rarely crops my crossed path but this is not about her.t to it is about whether to create echo chambers where all we hearh is what ratifies and validates what we already believe peered over 70 million people voted fot donald trump last election andsa

he won the presidency four years earlier with over 60 million votes. he ip nos the g.o.p. nominee agn for the third time.time so how many commentators on cnn or nbc or cbs or msnbc explain why?or hregardless of whether you like trump, voted for him or ever will, tens of millions ofl americans havean and will. so why eliminate their voices? last month on super tuesday night, i spoke with juan williams, jessica tarlov, harold ford jr. and those are not biden opposing democrats. those are not lincoln project democrats, those are notll democrats who really talk and act like republicans. so why are some networks filling their slots exclusively withic trump opposing republicans?an b if you want to know why someone supports donald trump and if you want to know how the other side thinks, why not ask them? and how can you ever do that if ar fyou never hear from them? if you claim to want the truth,

yocrosu have to confront it and cross-examine it and asked to challenge it and expose it butei don't ignore it you're joining us now as fox news contributor, joe concha. joe, they can hire whoever they want but i struggle to name commentators on the other network who actually ever voted for donald trump or everfor wil again. so where are s those 70 million voices? >> 70 million voices into your trepoint, trey come even if you don't like donald trump, maybe just maybe you agree with him on his position on immigration and the border your code you will never hear an argumentng supporting the things that donald trump supports s as far as all construction remain in mexico on msnbc. you only hear one side to your point. again i studied journalism for a long time and we had people like john chancellor, david brinkley, roger mudd, tim, these are the type of elections that used to's occupy nbc news division and we are a long way from that credibility.

as it stands now if i'm a republican i a would call for nc to never host another majorga debate again.'m a if i am a supporter of donald trump come i never go on "meet the press" again because f this is their view on any republican who is a never trumper that routes for democrats to win how can anyone outside of staunch efforts withs such a patent distain, not just for the party but to your point, roughly half of the voters in this country. so, that is where we are at atpo this point but they always talk about diversity and celebrate diversity like places like nbchi amsnbc. and in exchange of ideas. >> trey: you know, joe, to meanl as i analyzed, it is not ae free-speech issue.n they can slant their coverage however they want to slant it.s it is a business issue. to your point, why would youd yo rule out 70 million voting age

of voting age americans who actually like either donald trump, his policies, or both? from a business model standpoint do not understand it. >> and they talk about saving democracy. that is undemocratic to only have one side, right? there are newscasts i'm sure and are not like that and msnbc is no differentgo than something yu would see in north korea orone soviet union. this is a one-off by the way. last year cnn attempted to movee to the center, right?er you see the numbers on the screen as fas e thr as trustingm but cnn tried to move to the center and hired a new president. they have the audacity to hold a town hall for donald trump .en we saw what happened there appear the same on air mutinyjut and unhinged reactions for puttr for the g.o.p. nominee at the time. that president chris lake was ousted from the network. we saw it over atin "the new york times." senator tom cotton, former military rights op-ed ford

"the new york times" with the national guard ttoo be called in when riots get out of control y call theties and the peacthe racist and revoked publicly and the editor james who won a pulitzer who knows, gets ousted and the pieces taken down.ma management and all these places as the backbone of a jellyfish in the newsrooms are the oneths with the power apparently than the people that they work for ii management because again, once go public with the stuff, it seems like all these people,r necnn, "new york times" don't ko how to handle it. the they do the cowardly thing andpe fire people were just doing their jobs. >> trey: you know, joe, you mentioned "new york times,"wa "the washington post" wrote republican was jennifer woodman to the best ofs my recollection has not elected republican since abraham lincoln. and since dwight david eisenhower. dwight d. eisenhower while the rest of the country was votingen for ronald reagan, "the new york times" was not even endorsing him.t

noare they just not interested n having republicans subscriber watch or listen?at e what explains jennifer rubinubin being the conservative boys at "the washington post"? >> to your point, wouldn't it be a good business decision to have viewpoints from the left, right, center, and objective news down the middle where people can maka their own decisions about a particular report without opinion incorporated into it? wouldn't that get you morethes readers? that is why we see layoffs at this point because the business model does not work. i will tell you one better asou far asrc endorsements are concerned, do you know, trey, "the washington postover" has nr endorsed a republican presidential candidate in its history? to your point, that means carter not once but twice, they wendorsed walter mondale who wn one state, minnesota, and people like john kerry or al gore or joe biden. so, if they are really in touch with the country, it doesn'trsem

show it in their endorsements. again, these newsrooms arelete completely controlled byls e liberals. if you are conservative,tive you will not get that promotion or if reporter does an objective job, you will not get the next contract because the newsroom te will revolt and people if theye are conservative or at least down the middle becaus le they know they won't survive in those ecosystems if they don't conform to the narrative, trey.he >> trey: joe concha, if you watch "washington post" and you are republican, unfortunately you have to die and even thene o it's not for sure. thank you, joe, for joining us on a sunday night. >> great to see you, trey, take care. >> trey: america makes over $400,000 a year as a postgraduate degree an d lives in a private neighborhood. .joe biden has an 82% approvalar rating with him some of which is higher than the rest owithf theh country. the rest are viewed as needingtb to be educated or enlightened or changed or corrected and that leads to derision and division. the middle class is to be spoken

of with respect and now it seems belittle d or ignored. is this the real divide in our country? what caused it, and what will it take to bridget pushed markri joining usse is american cas enterprise institute senior fellow, christine rosen. , that was aistine fascinating piece you wrote here let hat me start from is the gra voting block, ideology, dream? how do you turn middle class? >> that is a good question because it i's hs hard to define your car i think it is more an a idea in an ideal. by that i mean a solid middle of the country, the leavening force between the low and the high.d i think what i would call commor sense american values,ic patriotism, meritocracy and the kind of things i think we took for granted. but no polw particularly in politics, we don't see anyone engaging with this group here at this group is becoming more disenchanted with the way the

system works. and they are looking around ford a politicaerl leadership and not finding it. >> trey: is there a difference in your judgment and the values perceived talked, encourage between thene upper 1% and whath called the middle class? is there a divide and even whatn is valued within those groups? >> yes, absolutely. we have data on this. there have been some studies that have looked at these elite, ly ehighly educated upper classn the elite of the wealthiest classes. they believe i likn things liker example, carbon taxes, limitingv people's ability to consume meat, drive combustion engine cars, fly wherever they want to o hefly in the name of climatefl change, for example.lues very different values with regard to patriotism what this country shouldshou stand for and what its role in the world is. these are serious issues becausi it is from that upper highly educated elite class that the insleaders of our institutionse

from. the media, culturalfi institutions, so what we are finding is a real divide among what most people think and believe in their values and what are educated elite who run our a institutions value. that divide is growing. >> trey: let's listen to the president's pressy to secretary together, and then i will ask you a question on the other side. >> gas prices and grocery prices are big topics in north carolina. how does mr. biden win votes when people don't have as much d disposable income?>> a now you are asking me about gas prices.n the president took action on gas prices and don't forget beijing and ukraine, mill, and all the important grocery have gonecaus down because of what thisable president has been able to do. and with that, thank you su o much, have an amazing, and amazing day. >> wow! >> she hung up.

>> wow! >> trey: to be fair,ng maybe the media doesn't like talking te to the media. so i will be fair. but the upper 1%, they don't like to worry about gas prices. someone who has $100,000 to spend taking al picture at a politica worl event doesn't wory about what groceries costs. how can this chasm be bridged? >> well, i think not by the way secretary did with her amazing, amazing dodge to that important question.exam one of the things this administration doesn't examine enough is that most peoplee en y remember five years ago, evens g six or seven years ago when its, comes to the s family budget. when they sit down and think about what they can afford as a family, whether that is the weekly grocery bill, they are gas bill, housing crisis, they remember a time when their incoe stretched eda little further ano they could send their kidshe to camp in the summer. this year they can't. it isn't just covid.mi thatni is something the biden administration has leaned heavily on some of this ideawi

covid was so disruptive and that we are getting back on same footing economically. that hast not been the expansie many, many american families. they are struggling to make ends meet. their paychecks do not go as far as it used to. when you hear elite educated folks like the press secretary tell us, don't worry about that pier that it's all in your head. that is condescending and it is gas letting the american people when it comes to their experience day-to-day, week to week, month to month. >> trey: christine rosen, i want to thank dana perino, she sent me an article and it was ad fascinating. i encouragu foe everyone to rea. i think you for coming on and joining us on a sunday night. >> thank you so much, trey. >> trey: coming up new york city police officer ordered by a career criminal with 21 prior arrests. so the left's idea of reimagining time has lethal consequences.nday criminologist barry lets her joins "sunday night in america" after the break.

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an important first step of a phased approach to opening a main channel. the timeline has not been given for when the channel will open. right now the crews are working to remove thousand domain thousands of debris and the bridge collapsed a week ago after large cargo ship crashed into it. israel's military confirmed it has withdrawn from gaza's main hospital after a raid. and it killed terrorists with documents from the facility. the large amount of destruction reporting has been left behind. israel claims hamas is using hospital for military purposes. i'm ashley strohmier and back to "sunday night in america." ♪ ♪ >> trey: welcome back to "sunday night in america." the second conversation is even harder than the first. the one where you have toha explain to that second set of parents, spouses, family my friends why the system failed and why a killer was out on bond

and why some gnomic someone served a short prison sentence was paroled from a plea bargaino appear at the police officer john taylor killed was someone h nearly two dozen prior arrestsnt who had served time for a crimei in law-abiding people increasingly asking how and why. hoy w does someone unlawfully in the country remain here toyou commit more crime? why is someone with a violent pass in possession of a firearm used to kill a police officer? berry is a criminologist and professo r at john jay college of criminal justice and joins us now. our welcome, or system is reactive more so than proactive and something bain td happens in the system reacts to it here that is of little comfort to the familyi of those victimized by career criminals. is there a way to be more proactive when it comes to preventing crime?ghte

>> trey, i'm delighted to be with you and my response to you is predicting who will repeat their offenses is somewhat difficult. the best indicator though, it trey it they repeat their p offenses in the past. the people now in prison, not jail, man but jail for serious offenses and it's not uncommon infor each of the men in there o have ten or 11 arrests prior to their imprisoned. so, the system does release people who peo are risky, who ae high risk for repeating, and that is a source of a problem for usf come a source of a problem for us when you getf these awful crimes, these violent crimes. >> trey: professor, let's listen to the mayor of new york together tog and i will ask youe question on the other side. >> can i say it in the clear, it

is the good guys against the bad guys. this is what you call another crime problem in a serious problem. the same bad people doing bad, h things to good people. less than a year, back on theer street with another gun. h>> trey: he is right. there are more good people than that. i'm not 100% sure what he meanst by it's not a crime problem witi recidivism problem. it sounds to me like it is bothn crime being committed to your point, people who have committed crimes in the past.than other than lengthy prisonogra sentences or mandatory education programs, as are something that can be done? you toured a jail and prison for people who don't know the distinction, jail is printed gnomic preadjudication m prisonan post adjudication a longer sentence, is there somethingng t that can be done during the

period of incarceration to make a seer gnomic safer when they are releh >> i'm exploring this question right now on my next book willao be on rehabilitation. i must tell you, i am not hopeful but i researched and learned so far is that rehabilitation does not workthes very well for these repeat offenders who are imprisoned in the way we roll gnomic run the programs inside the prisons. i'm leaning towards a positionle and i have not finalized yet buw i'm leaning towards the position that we need to use more electronic monitoring of peoplef released on parole and that mea means they have served time inre the sentence was shortened, and they are released to the parolet officers to parole agents. i think those guys need more electronic e monitoring to bettr ensure that they won't repeatof fetheir offenses. as for your first point, you ara

absolutely right. yoe u can't just look at the people who are repeating because they are always recruits to crime.e young fellows reached the age of 18, commit crimes, and of course, this may be their first offense and it could be ao violent offense, andut we need o deal that as well. finally as to what we can do to prevent it, we need to rely on law enforcement. i know that they don't like to hear that your they want long-term solutions reducing poverty, reducing racism, improving the social, im welfare system by which they mean, of course, spending more money. these are medium to long-term solutions and short term, there is no substitution for having e on the streets, for having a beefed up by law enforcement system. by the way, we have proven this

because when the system was beefed up and when crime was at its height in the '80s, '90s, late 80s and 90s. the beef up system, reduce crime and that reduction, by the way is still effective now, buteles nonetheless, we need to address our problems with law enforcement solutions. the remediation solutions, rehabilitation solutions are just not that effective. spray went well, we will end byh name making the left meds soi ha they are met it me and not you. people can't be fixed and needra to be separateted from society r the remainder of their natural lives or at leas it until they committing crimes at a certain age but that is me that said that and not the professor.r wo we look forward to seeing your new research and thank you for joining us on a sunday night. >>asur it is a pleasure, trey, thank you so much.

>> trey: yes, sir, up next biden net ten who relationship chilling. mike pompeo weighs in next on "sunday night in america."

♪ ♪ >> trey: welcome back tohe "sunday night in america." the rift between the biden

administration and israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu seems to be growing. u.s.. ab sustained from cease-fe in gaza so the resolution passed, yes, russia and china voted to lecture lecture israel on casualties. netanyahu canceled israeli delegation to washington shortlh thereafter.th the white house look to john kirby and said the u.s. foe or lack thereof does not represent a shift in supporting israel, but it sure does seem like it,en doesn't it? running a secretary state and fox news contributor, com mike pompeo. mr. secretary, it is nice to see you again. russia and china vote for a cease-fire with israel and u.s. sits on its hands. how is that not a shift in u.s. policy towards israel? you >> trey it is great to be with you on this special day. we are talking about israel where these events transpired sn this special day. what the united states did by

allowing the resolution to past, we rewarded the terrorist on october 7th.ch the iranians, the russians, that china is happy and israelium partnersst under even morere a difficult circumstances than they were before. this is a major event. i don't know why the bidenst administration letic this happen and may be its u.s. domestic politics but i sure hope not buk it looks like it. f anrod israel recognizes a long-term committed partner is h them inheo stand wit the way they need to in this is ttrue time of crisis. >> trey: you know,he mr. secretary, you put your finger on the questiont .s i think most people are asking why? it has been six months, only six months since hamas invaded israel and skilled women and children.at so why is this on a country defending itself against terrorist group? the u.s. decade's doing it and this is all that israel gets?

>> it is truly remarkable to watch the biden administration frankly really good in the opening days, october 8th, 9th, 10th.sten but in the meantime, come to listen to this pro hamas win over political party where they know the president is going toe events and hearing from protesters. instead of articulating why it matters to americans and havingn an ally or partner like israel mattertters to the lives of evet single american and the right thing to do, he simply begins td cave in ways that will undermine american security..bout you put in six months as well taken. the story line has become thebea israelis somehow behaving in as way that is an amoral.th nothing could be further from the truth. you and i know how the americans fight and we know how thee ha israelis fight. they are doing everything to s and it is civilian iran and hamas putting civiliann lives at risk for your they can't understand why the biden administration so quickly cames to themi minority wing of theseo party. maybe, trey itf is not that sml inside of their party. maybe it is a larger block than

you and i might think it is. >> trey: to that point, senatecl majority leader chuck schumer called for regime change in israel. major new gnomic newspapers defending him after he did it and some house members frankly openly pro-hamas. so we it is either pure politics, seeking favor withthin young voters or something else going on that i can't see.th you are the one that graduated, number one, at west point. is it politics, or something else going on? >> i do think this is about u.s. domestic politics. it can't be about security.rity we know israel will do the righm thing and defend its owne of sovereignty. it will take care of hamas and do the hard work to defend against hezbollah and the north. it is not about strategy and security bureau that leaves only president biden in a politicaln fight for his life.anyt these are things he thinks he needs to get so he is caving to this truly, this trulyti anti-semitic component of his

party that doesn't understand the deep commitment that the united states has had with bipartisan for decades.kn as you know, trey your time in congress. by understanding the middle east and the way that preserves and they have walked away and it looks like the worst domestic politics impacting and i hope that the biden administration will rise above it.>> c spoon mr. secretary of the war in the middle east has diverted attention away from eastern eur. in your judgment, what is the state of war there and will the u.s. continue to provide aid, loans, or whatever you call itil to ukraine? tic>> trey might still remain optimistic. tingi have said two and a half s onee the united states has a dep interest for itself to put america first we were and it e rights us to do th thing for europe and help europe defend itself. we need the europeans to dothat more. i'm convinced we will continueti to do that. the ukrainians continue to figha

hard. it is a difficult fight there but they need western support. they need germany, france, theng united states and all of u ts to provide them with simply the resources. they have asked young boys and girls but simply stuff we oughtt to provide that for them. in the form of a loan where ukraine can get back on their feet and pay us, so much the better.om >> trey: mike pompeo, trulymo one of the more remarkable resumes of anyone i know. ifw youyo go it from college t now, he's in the private sectory i personally hope he stays in th te private sector. i think rumors going back to gov government are true, but that i just my selfishness. happy easter to you, mr. secretary. i hope i will see you soon.e is to her church attendance is down but does that mean faith is d down? reverend barryn th black on easr and the future of religion in the united states.

♪ ♪ >> trey: welcome back toght "sunday night in america." today is the holiest of days foa those of the christian faith. the day christians believe the tomb was empty and rose from thh dead and the process come fromof death. that ity, s the promise of christianity, life everlasting.s as said to one of the criminals crucified by the romans presiding today, you will be with me in paradise. faith, religion, spirituality if

the cornerstone for many americans, but there are warning signs. young people checking outzed organized religion, church attendance is down, and major theirofs institution with share of scandal. we heard the state of the uniono from politicians a couple of weeks ago. let's hear about the state of the soul ooff the union from thl reverend barry black who is the chaplain for the united states senate. happy easter, thank you for joining us and for someone who does not believe how would youf explain the significance of easter? speak with the important part that i see about easter is not o much the validity or the truth heof the resurrection as the fat that something happened that resurrected the early church. here were people who had denied and betrayed their lord and had

fled when he was taken to calvary. they were hiding in a room for g fear that they might also be crucified. and something happened that wen sunday morning when two women went to that tomb in matthewway. chapter 28, and the stone was rolled away. and it resurrected the early church so that they were described later in the book of acts as those who have turned the world upside down. what could have happened that transformed people who were fearful into people who were howilling to die for what they believed? >> trey: chaplain, you put your finger on the next question, to those who do believe, what can they do today to give others a reason forreas hope, a reason to believe, to give faith a second chance?

given the declining participation of religion in our country? >>. well, jesus of nazareth sain to his followers in mat matthew 5:13-16, you are the16 salt of the earth. believers should be just that. believers should make their world more palatable. we need more positive wordbs 1 spoken.821, proverbs 18:21 reminds us ofgues power of life and death is in our tongues. then verse 16 of matthew 5 says, "you are the light of thee world." light guides. we need to guide with our lives. and they just said, i can learn to do it if you let me see itca done. i can watch your hands in

action, but your tongue too mayo run. and second corinthians five: 20 tells us, "we are ambassadors reconciling the world unto christ and be ye reconciled unto god." if we are salt and light in our andworld and to our generatione will be glorifying the risenlord lord. here is the great thing, trey, he has promised that he will give us the power to dheo exacty that.ys acts 1:8, it says, "you willirit receive power after the holy spirit has come upon you."h there is an old song, trey that reminds me of what i'm experiencing, something within me that will hold with the reins something within me that vanishes pain. something within me i cannot

explain all that i know. there is something within. >> trey: reverend barry black,pi the chaplain of the united states senate, thank you for bringing us message from a your heart on easter sunday. ii hope you and your family hae a wonderful easter. we will see you again soon. >> trey: has risen, trey, he has risen, indeed. >> trey: risen indeed, risen indeed. thank you, chaplain and thank you for spending your sunday with us. i hope you have a great week ahead. until then you can find us @treygowdy >> carley: a fox news alert, one of the suspects charged in the murder of nypd detective jonathan diller will be in court today after a powerful call to action from diller's widow and her