trump is currently carrying. not only could it be a big night for republicans, it could be in the senate and also in the house. it is going to be easier for republicans to win seats in the house than the last two elections. remember, we won the majority in the last election. you know where we won the majority? in california. when i became leader and nancy pelosi was speaker, those two election cycles, we won five new seats for congress. so yes, california, you can win. we're proving it and we'll probably win more this cycle as well. >> martha: all right. you opened a lot of questions i'd like to ask you about next time. hope you come back soon. kevin mccarthy, thanks. good to have you with us today. so that is "the story" of this tuesday, march 5. the story goes on big time today, folks. it's super tuesday. ly be back at 7:00 with bret baier. tune in at 7:00. "your world" starts right now. >> the big issues are

immigration, the economy. getting america back to what it was before. >> i think another biden trump rematch would probably be easy game for trump, i think. i think a lot of stuff is swaying in his favor. >> when it comes down to trump, i'm never voting for him. but i would consider nikki haley over biden. >> martha: i'll be voting for joe biden like i did four years ago. >> trump because i like his personality. you know, i think his personality is what makes him very effective politician. >> we're issue voters, young people. as much as joe biden doesn't look like us, he really thinks like us. >> i'm seriously would be looking at an independent like robert kennedy. i think the two-party system is failing us miserably. >> neil: well, it is indeed. the biggest day of the presidential politics. 15 states are holding contests

today. 854 delegates are at stake. donald trump leads nikki haley in all of these states, although she does have a striking chance in states like massachusetts, minnesota and virginia and vermont. meantime, the voting goes on in these and many more states. we have the very latest from aishah hasnie in palm beach, florida. aishah? >> hey, neil. former president trump certainly hopes and believes that he's going to win every single state tonight. he's going to sweep all of these states tonight. he certainly does not think that nikki haley really has a path forward. he thinks that campaign will end tonight. as to whether he will ask her to step down, he will not say. he's accusing her of really dividing the republican party now by staying in this race. listen to this. >> there's no path for her to win. whether she likes hearing that or not, there's no path for her to win. no matter what. today, i should win every state.

>> now yesterday trump called that historic unanimous supreme court ruling a unifying decision for the country. out at the polls, we're hearing from the reluctant trump supporter all the way to the right or die trump supporter. >> as a nikki haley fan, but when i saw that was going down the tubes, i voted for trump. things were better. personally, i'm not a big fan. but he was good for the country. that made it good for us. i hope he wins. >> as long as he's mentally capable and keeps the same positions that he has been running on for the last close to nine years now, i'll still support him. >> i would vote for him if he was sitting in a jail cell, period. it's all political. >> so neil, trump and his

campaign really do believe that they have this in the bag. that they which clinch the nomination as early as next tuesday. to give you an idea of how they're moving forward already, really pivoting to the general election, the general season, they're planning an event in georgia. >> neil: thanks very much. the beautiful backdrop there. i envy your challenging assignment, aishah. let's go to bill melugin in charleston, south carolina with the latest on how nikki haley hopes not to make this necessarily her last stand. bill? >> yeah, neil. good afternoon. nikki haley's camp says they expect her to be competitive tonight. they point out that she's had 15 different rallies over the last ten days. they feel that this process is not a coronation for donald trump. take a listen. >> the problem is right now everybody is saying if you don't -- if you don't support donald trump, you're a democrat. that's terrible. that's not unifying. that won't get anyone to win a

general election. what we wanted was to give people a voice. we'll have that today. >> this is video of nikki haley campaigning in fort worth, texas last night. one of her final stops on the campaign trail before this super tuesday. we asked her campaign which state should we be keeping an eye on tonight. where do they think she will do well? they told us, keep an eye on the states she visited in recent days. one of those states was maine. we met a registered maine voter out here on vacation in south carolina. she's an independent that told us she already voted for nikki haley. here's why. >> she stands for everything i stand for. she's a strong female. she was a great ambassador. she was a great governor. very strong in her convictions. >> if nikki haley does not win the nomination, will you >> no. >> why? >> i feel he's bad for the country. i think he alienates too many people. >> neil, interesting to point out, as important as this super

tuesday is, nikki haley's campaign tells us on background she's not having any campaign events tonight. we even asked if things look like they're going well for haley, will they pop up an event? they said probably not. back to you. >> thanks, bill melugin in south carolina. so obviously a lot of big money types and donors are looking at nikki haley closely tonight. she's got to grab more than one or two contests and look competitive. that's an uphill battle. the battle for the money after tonight for nikki haley, if there is an after tonight, julia manchester, the hill reporter. what do you think of that? we focus on how much a candidate gets vote-wise. in nikki haley's case, it's the donors that have been pushing her along and providing all the financing, more than the financing that she needs to carry on a very competitive race when it comes to the money side. it's not turning up on the electoral side. what do you think.

>> yeah, nikki haley has been fueled by her donors in many ways going back to iowa and new hampshire. in new hampshire that was probably her best showing yet. after south carolina, we saw the koch backed americans for prosperity stopped funding her. her campaign points to fund-raising boons that they have seen throughout this year. the question is, is it enough to convince donors? not only big dollars donors but her grass roots supporters that this is eventually going to pay off. it was interesting, neil. i was in northern virginia covering nikki haley last week. i was chatting with a number of her supporters. the majority of them that i spoke to in northern virginia when i asked them, do you think she will win virginia? they said no. when asked why they are supporting her, they said look, in case something were to block former president trump from being on the ballot or running in this convention or the election. so it's going to be difficult

for haley to continue to make this case, especially after yesterday's supreme court ruling that showed that donald trump would not be barred from the colorado ballot. we've seen other states were to follow suit. you know, decides not to bar him. >> neil: it's interesting what julia says, daniel. if she's right and she's been good at this for a long time, we're looking again at a trump-biden rematch. that is not excite ago lot of americans regardless of their point of view. in a country of 340 million people, we come down to the same two we had last go-round. how much of that do you think is going to affect poll participation, voting in a general election? >> i think there's a lot of enthusiasm on the republican side. it's double what it is on the democratic side in terms of voting for their candidate. it's 48% for republicans, who were enthusiastic about trump. 23 percent are enthusiastic

about biden. i would not underplay the progressives that are concerned about biden's policies on israel, about student loans that they have not gotten through, about climate change that they feel like biden should get tougher on. so i think biden really has an opportunity after the state of the union to re-assure people that he's up for the task? he can travel and do the job for four years. there was a great new yorker story yesterday against how he thinks because he was the only person to beat trump last time, he has this golden key to defeat himself him this time. a lot of democrats don't think that is the case. >> neil: and to bring next up to date on developments. someone who democrats hoped to see as a possible presidential candidate, michelle obama. she's apparently not interested in the job. i'm wondering the significance of that. there's always this fear among democrats that they're going to

lose with joe biden there. but time is wasting. unless they pull something off at a convention, the opportunity is wasting and sort of dying on the vine here. what is your take about the search among system for a joe biden alternative? >> you know, look, in terms of michelle obama, that's something that republicans brought up to me. oh, michelle obama would be a great alternative. she's a great asset. talking to democrats, they say it's going to be joe biden. they seemed locked and ready to go with him as their candidate and kamala harris as his running mate. i thought it was interesting and to daniel's point about the state of the union and how pivotal that could be in biden's campaign. we'll see that this week. last week when we saw kamala harris in alabama addressing voters, i thought it was

interesting that she chose to call for a cease fire in the israel hamas war. one of her starkest calls for that yet. that came days after the michigan uncommitted vote, which was not insignificant. right now democrats are realizing that they need to change their strategy around to fix that coalition. whether that coalition involves bringing back muslim or arab american voters, gen z voters, african american voters. they're trying to repair that coalition and sew up any cracks. we could start to see that at the state of the union. i think we started to see that sunday. >> neil: i'm wondering about the senate. kirsten sinema says she won't run for re-election. she's a democrat turned independent. now she won't run that at all. i don't know where that tips the scales in that state. we know the democrats have a tiebreaker hold on the senate. is it your sense the way things

stand now that that's the one that republicans have a chance of tipping? democrats hope to do the same in the house where the lead for republicans is dwindling fast. i'm wondering what is your sense of both the senate and the house and how that could be playing out. >> i think democrats are happy today because this news about cinema helps ruben beat lake. one thing about cinema, it's just kind of astonishing that she ended her political career as a centrist who had close ties to business and wall street. she was hit by democrats all the time for that. she started her career as a green party activist back 20 years ago. so she's had quite the transformation. so she left the democratic party in the last year or so. but you don't often see many green party to wall street type

big business politicians out there. that's a rarity. >> neil: it is. that's arizona for you. thanks very much here. before we go to a quick tease, i want to draw your attention to wall and broad. a big sell off in the dow and the nasdaq. a lot of this has to do with stocks that have run up too fast, particularly technology stocks and growing concern. that's why you saw people buying bonds today. the latest data confirmed that we are slowing down a little bit. that's good news for those worried about inflation. you know how this goes in a topsy-turvy wall street. any news like that raises questions about whether that will bring down the economy and a preview of coming a tractions. these are market rates, nothing to to with the federal reserve even though they're influential in the thinking here. the thinking that things are slowing down and stocks really coming down. again, we're up significantly on the year for the major averages. some have hit multiple records

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sparked illegals from committing bad deeds. >> if we put a national spotlight on, this we'll do it however we need to. if we can just prevent one of these from happening again, we have done our job. if you don't have cooperation from the local authorities, there's not much you can do anyway. that's where the local residents need to step in. >> that's the problem in the riley case. homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas says the feds need help from local police if they know someone who poses a threat. but dhs was unaware of issues with murder suspect jose ibarra. >> one of the problems that we can't vet these people. when we're dealing with 5,000, 6,000 apprehensions every day, you won't be able to properly

vet them before they are accessory leased in the to united states. that's why we're seeing a crime surge here. >> democrats are increasingly vocal about border security. >> we've got to deal with, this i'm thinking about it and how i think my colleagues think about it is separate legal immigration as well as immigration system from what we're seeing at the borders. which does seem to be more of a national security issue . >> the house rules committee is now meeting about the riley bill. the house will vote on the bill before president biden's state of the union speech thursday night. a guest of house speaker mike johnson is the mother of a woman killed by ms-13. before we go here, we have news coming in here. bob menendez, the democratic senator from new jersey, he has be charged with obstruction in a superseding indictment. back to you. >> neil: thank you very much.

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>> neil: now and then i might have mentioned my weight on this show. a lot of people think there's outside forces that make me feel chunky. that's my doing. i overeat. let me go to the administration. because when it comes to inflation, nothing to do with them, but they can blame a whole host of characters and a whole host of other players. not just themselves. i don't know if that is good but food for thought. peter doocy, a thin and fit peter doocy at the white house. what's going on, peter? >> any weight gain is the fault of corporations. that's what they would say here in the briefing room, neil. but president biden has this state of the union address on thursday. they got to figure out what they're going to talk to the american people about. so today he gathered aides to test out some lines about shrinkflation. >> i'll tell you what -- i tell you who did notice, the cookie

monster. he pointed out his cookies are getting smaller and paying the same price. i was stunned when i found out that that happened. >> so efforts to cut costs are going to be a centerpiece of thursday's state of the union and of the re-election effort probably. a mixed bag of news on that today. michelle obama's team said she is not getting in and endorses president biden for re-election. taylor swift posted an instagram endorsing nobody. it was a political post, but she was just urging followers to vote the people that most represent you in to power. >> president biden has said a possible endorsement by taylor swift is classified. how about her telling people to vote but not for him? >> have to be careful. we're talking about 2024. so i can't comment on what taylor swift is saying or not

saying. >> on the economy though, they know that inflation and the cost of living are possibly going to be the number 1 issue between now and november while voters are making up their minds. they don't want anybody blaming their policies. they want people blaming corporate structure and the way that corporations are trying to pass on higher costs for the more expensive everything, neil. >> neil: you never go wrong blaming companies. they're always evil and easy targets. thank you, peter. peter doocy at the white house. gerry baker with us, the "wall street journal" editor at large. we're talking about this blame game and the cookie monster. that's not the way this cookie crumbles. that's on them. it's really on them. >> yeah, you know, i have a theory about politicians and governments. when they're in real trouble, they have this tendency to things that make everything worse. biden, this ridiculous idea that

the cookies are getting smaller and this is all the fault of companies, what is happening, of course, is that there have some ed of shrinkflation, but that's a way of -- it's not a companies are cashing in on higher prices. they're making -- trying to give people that are facing significantly higher costs, helping them to find ways to afford things that they want. this idea that companies are to blame for inflation has no basis whatsoever in economics. if it's the case, why do we have 20 years, neil, of inflation at 2% or below. companies suddenly become evil and profiteering in the last few years? no evidence in terms of significant increases in profits beyond what you'd expect with the economy happening. so it's just another desperate attempt by joe biden facing bad poll numbers, facing a real crisis in his presidency with the state of the union this week and eight months away from the election, trying to find someone

to blame, deflect the blame that voters generally a sign to him. >> neil: you're right. you follow numerous administrations, gerry. it's easier to blame someone else for your prevails than yourself. i did have a chance to catch up with jared bernstein. he's sort of saying the same thing his boss is, that this is not on us. what is happening right now is on all of these other factors. i want you to respond to this. >> when i hear the administration crowing about more spending that got inflation under control, rising interest rates got it under control or more control than it was. it's like you're taking a bow for something the fed did. >> the fed contributed to these outcomes. we won't -- >> neil: they eased that demand by raising the rates. enough to adjust it to the point where the trend is more the friend right now. that's their doing. >> i don't think it's contentious at all to say that

much of the disinflation we've seen has come from improvements on the supply side and that yes, our administration's fingerprints are on that. >> neil: he's obfuscating there. i respect him but that's not the way it works. economics 101. what we're seeing on inplace, the spending did produce -- we were coming out of covid and see an uptick in prices regardless. having said that, might as well own up to and now the fact that it's improving. if you want to take a bough on this even though it's the federal reserve raising rates, fine. you can't have your cake and eat it, too. a dumb line. if the cake is there, you might as well eat it, too. i digress. what do you make of this? >> it's going to be a smaller cake than otherwise. of course, what you said to bernstein is right. of course, this is like the person that sets fire to the house and takes credit for

calling out the fire trucks. they were -- that initial stimulus that they did, they were warned about back in 2021 by people that are friendly to the administration like larry summers, jason furman and other democratic economists that served in the biden administration and said this is a dangerous thing you're doing. handing out this massive stimulus at a time when the economy is supply constrained. it will be inflationary. guess what? inflation went up to 9%. a large part of that was global. it was coming from the supply side, from the supply chain constraints that we saw after covid. but they added fuel to that fire at a critical time. we saw that. they increased demand. demand that couldn't be met by the supply out there. what you get is an increase inflation. now the federal reserve belatedly had to raise interest rates to deal with that.

now having really contributed to this firestorm of inflation in the first place, they're now claiming that the credit for having puts it out when they did create most of the firestorm and it's the federal reserve that has put it out, again, the key thing here, neil, nobody buys this. nobody buys the idea that the biden administration is not responsible for inflation. nobody buys the idea that they have been successful in putting it out. nobody buys this silly idea about shrinkflation and cookie monsters. it's an indication of the desperation. >> neil: think of the rationale for it. so that americans wouldn't feel the pinch of the higher food costs so we'll get you what you're getting but fewer pieces or fewer parts of that. again, it was borne of this environment where prices are out of control. so companies are dancing that line. it is what it is, gerry. thank you, my friend. great seeing you again. >> thank you. >> neil: gerry baker on that. following donald trump as he campaigns on what could be a

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trump will be counted. here's what some denver area voters had to say. >> i think giving states the power to be able to remove presidential candidates from either party from the ballot is a really slippery slope. >> it sets a weird present that one state could decide for the rest of the country who can and cannot be president. which i think could hurt anybody from any political persuasion down the road. >> then there's cindy sheehan, a voter here in denver. she's a democrat who says she appreciates what president biden has done for the country, but she's not supporting him. >> uncommitted. noncommitted. i think that we need something stronger right now. and disappointed that trump is even on the ballot. >> one of the biggest issues for coloradoans, the border crisis with migrants being bussed here from texas. nikki haley was here and talked immigration.

trump has not visited this state lately. biden was here in late november. every voter received a ballot by mail. unaffiliates get two. a democrat one and a republican. they can only send back one. if somebody sends back both, neither gets counted. unaffiliated voters make up 48% of the electorate here. neil, it's a big change from ten years ago when that breakdown was a third, a third and a third. things are changing. neil? >> neil: that didn't take long. thanks, alicia acuna in colorado with all of that. meantime here, a lot of people tell you if nikki haley doesn't win one or two contests toll and polling pretty poorly, it's over. but she does have options. we think.

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>> neil: still looking for that city with this 24 in the middle of it. i'll find it, america. welcome back. we're talking about the big 15, 16 states, the u.s. territories, if you include that, under caucus today. 854 delegates at stake. to hear people tell it, nikki haley has to pick up a win, two, maybe three or four where she's polling closer to donald trump than in other states. those that look good for her could be massachusetts, minnesota, virginia, vermont. it's an uphill battle. so a lot of people think if she doesn't do it tonight, it's over in the republican party for the nomination. there's options potentially for her. pat mccrory joins us. former north carolina governor. nikki haley said she's not interested in anything else but being a republican, running for the republican nomination. she couches it a bit, but if she has a bad night tonight as some

suspect she will, what do you do? do you call her up? what do you do? >> well, first of all, i voted for her about two hours ago here in charlotte since north carolina is in play on super tuesday. i'm going to respect her right and her public comments to participate in the republican primary. up until she decides not to any longer, i'm -- we're not going to be in touch with nicky. i do respect her and the other 14 candidates that ran in the republican primary. my biggest concern, according to the polls, we'll find out confirmation that i think the republican democratic party are failing the american people. they have failed us on immigration, failed us on the economy. they have failed us with controlling the debt. they have failed us with russia and china and here we are, we're about to re-elect in the primaries the two people that were given a chance to fix these

issues and didn't do it. 65 to 70% of the american people said we do not want a rematch. but the parties and their arrogance are saying this is what you have to choose from. now we as no labels have to make a decision. in fact, this friday, former mayor of raleigh from dallas will lead 800 delegates as to whether we make a decision whether no labels he get in a race and have a third party slate as their labels. after super tuesday, if anybody is interested and maybe being considered on that slate, we will welcome them. whether they were in the republican primary on other people from the military or business community or currently or past politicians. >> neil: so you're still looking around, bottom line. you don't have any interested takers, it seems. what is happening there? >> right now, what we'll do, we have to decide whether or not we'll do it or not. we'll have over 800 delegates

make that decision. we made this promise a year ago. if the two candidates end up being trump and biden or a rematch of 2020, we will then ask our delegates whether or not, okay, should america deserve another choice. can america do better. i personally think right now it's a sad commentary that so many americans are frankly having to hold their nose and go which is the worst of the two? i think america is better than that. if the delegates of no labels decide on friday to have no labels participate, then we'll announce a process on how we'll seek out a potential slate. if we then continue to think we get good candidates, then we'll continue to move forward. no labels is a problem solver's organization. it started the problem solvers caucus and now more than ever, this country needs problem

solvers. >> neil: i want to ask you about senator krysten sinema that is announcing her term. democrat turned independent and left. she's kind of like a free agent. what do you think of her? >> i have nothing but positive words to say to her. she was a democrat and had the courage to work across party boundaries. sadly this is where the two parties have failed us. if a republican works across the line to try to pass a bill like on immigration or like on the deficit or like on the middle east or russia or ukraine, they get punished by their own parties, this is part of the thing that is failing america. we'll lose a valuable voice, a problem solver in the senator deciding not to run. she was purged from her own party. >> neil: is there a good shot you have to be on all 50 state ballots? looks highly unlikely.

what can you tell us? >> i disagree with that comment. i think there's a very good chance we'll get on all 50 ballots if we can continue to proceed based on 800 delegates this week. we're way ahead of where ross perot was. i feel very confident the american people want an alternative. we're having no problem getting the signatures. the problem are operatives from both parties trying to stop voter access and voter choice. it's just amazing the people that talk about voter choice are the ones trying to stop it. i'm a republican that believes in competition. not just in the private sector. that's what america is all about. >> neil: got it. governor pat mccrory, no labels chair. very good seeing you again. >> thanks very much, neil. >> neil: meantime, he served as health and human services

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to you, the former housing and urban development secretary, that is on me and i apologize for that. your name is coming up with something a little higher, maybe vice president. donald trump likes you a great deal, a lot of controversies. obviously smart as a whip, one of the nation's top neuro neurosurgeon. you have the qualifications. are you interested in that job? >> well, interestingly, neil, in a week or so, we will probably have the primary candidate. and at that time, it becomes very incumbent to start talking about who the vice presidential candidate should be. i think it is very important it be somebody who aligns very well with donald trump. and someone who isn't necessarily running for office themselves and just setting themselves up.

our nation is in a very precarious situation right now. benjamin franklin said when he came out of the conference in 1787, what we have here, a monarchy or republican -- if we can keep it. we are as close as we have ever been. people who want the funding -- it is not about democrats or republicans. this is about those who believe in a nation of, by, and for the people, and those who believe that it should be by and for the government and want to rule and mandate what we should be doing. donald trump will have to choose someone who believes the things he believes. that is so vitally important to have a team around him -- i think he learned a lot from the first time he was in office in terms of the right kind of people to put in play. i am extremely interested in making sure our country in

whatever capacity. >> neil: so you would -- i have been a big supporter and you fit a lot of those descriptions, but of course, he felt that way about mike pence before he didn't. then come of course, mike pence's biggest sin was to not disrupt the january 6th electors and the formal naming of them on that day, we all know it happened that day. it might be a moot point now, secretary, but would you have done what mike pence did? >> well, first of all, people should know that mike pence spent a lot of time laboring over that. i talked to him the night be before. and he was really torn in terms of what was the appropriate thing to do. he prayed and he did everything possible. mike pence is not a bad person. i think it would have been

appropriate, perhaps, to look at all of the alternatives very seriously because there was significant controversy about what happened. we want to have an election process that all the people believe in. it is absolutely critical. >> neil: so you believe -- i just understand, sir, that you believe what mike pence ultimately did, the decision he made ultimately was right or n not? >> well, i believe he tried to do what was right. he tried to do what he felt was the right thing to do. i don't think he allowed any kind of political philosophy to rule what he was doing. did it turn out to be the right thing? i think the right thing what have been to try to focus us on having a process that is legitimate. it's what we need to be learned about right now. we can't have a situation again -- we can monitor what is

going on. >> neil: so you want to make sure the process is legitimate, i understand that. are you saying what happened in the last election was not legitimate? that donald trump was illegitimate illegitimately robbed of president of the united states? >> i think what happened in the last election was worthy of investigation. it shined a light on what is going on -- >> neil: didn't have enough investigation? didn't have enough of those court cases and everything that looked at and examined the voting and revolting in all of that? >> not openly. these things happen, but it wasn't enough to affect anything. if you add all those things up together, maybe it was enough to affect it. but regardless of that, we don't want to go back and relive that. what we want to do is learn from that and make sure that we, going forward, put together a process that is very transparent

and open so that everybody. >> neil: do you think nikki haley if she doesn't do tonight she should quit and bow out? >> i'm not sure that she fully recognizes what is happening with her candidacy and how it is causing division at a time when people really need to unite behind a candidate because we are talking about whether this country moves in one direction or another. it may not be possible to reverse the direction. >> neil: but if you advised her, yes or no, you would tell her to quit? >> i would say quit and get behind who is actually going to be the candidate. we all combine our efforts. because the country is at stake. i can't emphasize that strongly enough. >> neil: ben carson, thank you. that will do it. ♪ ♪