andy? >> i just want to push back on the exuberance about the l'affaire campaign seemingly lost. president trump is going to lose the immunity claim, and the democrats are planning to put him on trial after labor day. federal defendants have to be in court every day for their trials. he is going to have a 1-2 or more month trial starting after labor day, running after election day, we don't know how much he will be damaged by that, if they get away with doing it. >> dana: that's a good point. thank you for being with us and to all of our panelists on this breaking news day. quite a remarkable one. president trump posting on truth social, a big win for america. you will hear from them at noon today. >> bill: it has been a monday. welcome back. >> dana: nothing like trial by fire x not harris faulkner will take you through the next hour. here she is. >> harris: >> harris: breaking news, we are set to hear from former president donald trump in less than an

hour, and we are told he will talk about the big u.s. supreme court victory for him today. the decision was unanimous, and it says colorado must include former president trump on the state's primary ballot. the high court issued a 9-0 rejection. wow. they all agreed a rejection of colorado's attempt to disqualify donald trump. and the effect could be far-reaching, because you know both maine and illinois have also taken his name off the ballots, and there are efforts pending all across the country. a big day for trump. i'm harris faulkner. you are in "the faulkner focus." a quick recap now. last year, the colorado state supreme court cited section three of the 14th amendment as grounds for removal of donald trump's name. that is the so-called insurrectionist clause. it was originally used to

prevent former confederates from holding public office. colorado claimed it applied to trump over his role in the january 6th capitol hill riot. trump's appeal made it all the way to the u.s. supreme court, and now that resounding victory for him. fox news chief legal correspondent, shannon bream, is here. shannon, just in the last little while since this was announced, i would have to imagine that maine and illinois and many of the other states that are thirsty to get his name off the ballot are looking at this. >> shannon: mm-hmm, and what they have found out, as the court said, you cannot do it. they are part of super tuesday so they ballots already had president trump's name on them. what they said essentially is, if he loses at the u.s. supreme court, then we will not count votes cast for him. but now they are going to have to. again, 9-0, the court has made it clear they speak in one voice on this, though they have some

squabbles about that and how the decision was reached. they put that out in public in these conferences. but they have made clear is that any state considering this, it is over now. >> harris: what's next for colorado? >> shannon: colorado is part of super tuesday tomorrow. his name is on the ballot. they are going to have to count those votes and go into the totals of whatever he gets tomorrow as part of that. i do think that's why the court, although we were not expecting this opinion today, yesterday we got what it is very unconventional for them, a last-minute announcement that this would come because they knew there were millions of people heading to the polls tomorrow, and there have been arguments about whether it's fair to ask people to go and cast ballots not having the confidence about whether they are going to be counted or not. let me walk you through a couple points of the opinion is people are digesting this now. basically we speak with one voice, essentially the court is putting this together without an author. i think i know who it was, but there is no author identified. they say this.

"state-by-state resolution of the question whether section three buys a particular candidate for president from serving would be quite unlikely to yield the uniform act wow answer consistent with the basic principle that the president represents all the voters in the nation." you heard this, harris. remember the questions across the board, including justice kagan and justice jackson, saying, why do we let a handful of states dictate whatever but he does? so they thought that could be very dangerous. >> harris: it's interesting, we got to see that. a nation got to watch, actually listen to what the justices argued about and what their questions were. we got to hear all of that in real time right here on fox, millions of people watched it. from their questions, i remember you and i talked about this, those were very specific too, can this actually happened? and i don't know if any people were expecting it to be at obvious. >> shannon: after the arguments, i think we all came

out of this thinking, former president trump is going to win this case. as a common unanimous voice? i thought we could have gotten this opinion a week or so ago. so the longer the delay went on, the more i thought the chief is trying to get to 9-0. by allowing these concurrences to come in, it gives everybody a place to speak their piece. they could do that but he still gets to come out and the chief can say this was united decision 9-0. just a little bit of that concurrence, they said they thought the court went too far. by resolving these questions, they attempt to insulate all insurrectionist from future challenges to their holding federal office. >> >> we should have left it at that. the majority opinion, in this case, discussed a lot of other questions. so in their take on this case, those three thought the court didn't need to go that far.

we want to leave some of those questions open f for the future. >> harris: shannon bream, thank you for getting us started. i want to bring in jonathan turley now, constitutional law attorney and professor at george washington university. fox news contributor. also along, and router, former federal prosecutor first of all, jonathan, you heard shannon and we will often say this about the supreme court. we speak with one voice. the loudest voice i heard today was that on behalf of voters. >> what was being asked here would have inserted an instability into a system that has been the most stable and successful democracy in history. and what these advocates were arguing is that any state could potenessentially cleanse their ballots as a candidate from one party or the other.

a court here spoke with one voice, as many of us hoped they would. this is remarkable, because for months, readers and listeners have been hearing from a lot of other outlets that this was what was called an unassailable theory. they were told the conservatives would just band together to vote for trump. well, that didn't happen. all of the justices spoke with one voice. they all said that this was wrong and unconstitutional. the point of dissension, if there was one, was that the opinion went too far, that the majority tried to essentially close off future attacks. it is clear that many of them want to remove the court from this theory, and some of the justices said they didn't need to go that far. but the most important thing is that the court is showing a

divided country, a bitterly divided country. we do have things that we share in common. we do have a covenant that we hold with the constitution. and that is perhaps the most important thing to come out of this. it's not just the court, but most of the country speaking with one voice and rejecting this very dangerous theory. >> harris: just in time for super tuesday. for 20 states, millions of voices via their votes in 20 states. i love how you put that. a covenant we hold with the constitution. god bless our country. all right, andrew. first of all, quickly, how rare is it for a u.s. supreme court to come in with the unanimous vote? >> well, it is rare, especially a court as divided as we have right now in america. this 9-0 victory for donald trump i think signals that this theory was a fringe legal theory, and that is exactly the problem we have in

america right now. there's so much coming against donald trump, there's a lot of platforming on the left of what are the various legal theories e up, and the cool thing to do that day and to talk about on the left's media channel. this was an attack on the candidacy for the president that was specifically looking to segregate america into the red states and the blue states. and the supreme court wasn't having it. i think the decision that came out 9-0 per curiam sends a strong signal to the country and that it is an indication that this court is trying very hard to take politics out of the law. >> harris: what's next? we know it is immunity. talk with us about if we have seen anything that would tell us about a presidents immunity. and lay it out for us, andrew. >> there are opinions that go

both ways on the immunity issue. i happen to be of the camp that believes the immunity claim is very strong for donald trump. we have the president who has to act in office with the assurance that they are not going to be prosecuted for any one of the decisions they make as soon as they step out of that office. there is a tremendous number of very difficult decisions that have to be made, primarily in light of what we do in our foreign relations and war efforts that go on overseas. even the death of a soldier overseas could come back to an american president as negligent homicide. if they didn't listen to exactly the right advisor at the right time. there is a countless number of much more nuanced legal issues that could come up during the presidency. such that, the moment they step out of office, prosecutions come up. it is going to create a fear in the president that will cause him to be unable to do his job. so i actually think the immunity claim is very strong and that the country should be tuned in very closely to that, and that

he has a strong argument. >> harris: if it is so important, jonathan, why does it come up now? >> i am less confident on the immunity issue. i think jack smith has the advantage. i expect the court is most likely to support the lower court decision, but that doesn't mean they are going to support the same rationale. there are some major questions here that are probably giving some discomfort to the justices. yes, in the earlier argument, the trump team was asked whether the president could kill his political opponents and not be criminally charged. president obama didn't kill his opponents, certainly, but he did vaporize an american citizen without any trial or criminal charge. the question is, cannot also be subject to criminal liability? those are the types of questions that some of the justices may want to see answered.

they may be trying to look for a greater delineation of this question. the more important case for trump may actually not be the immunity case. the more important case may be something of a sleeper on the docket, a challenge not by trump but have a january 6th defendant over the use of the obstruction statute against him for the riot that occurred january 6th. that is one of the charges brought against trump. if the court agrees that provision was inappropriately used to charge defendants, a great number of them, including trump, it would cause a serious problem in the prosecution. at the moment -- >> harris: oh, interesting. >> even assuming the court decides around june and sends us back to the district court, they could have a trial, but that case could add another wrinkle another problem. >> harris: it is so close to the election. >> that's correct.

>> harris: it is just so close. great to have both of you today, andrew and jonathan. thank you very much. big breaking news, we are going to learn so much more about the reaction to this unanimous decision in favor of the former president. donald trump is set to make remarks of his own in his home in florida, in the next hour. well, less than that now. we will bring you that live when it happens. tomorrow is the largest day on the presidential primary calendar, super tuesday. former president trump riding some big momentum, as we know, looking for another round of massive lanes. he would like to lock up the nomination. critics are saying president biden is in deep trouble. >> it is a serious issue. our national security is at stake here. our economy, safety and security in our own country, i don't think jill biden is in charge of what's happening and i don't think he has been since day one. >> all you have to do is take in

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♪ ♪ >> harris: tomorrow, the largest primary contest, super tuesday, when voters in 16 states and american samoa head to the polls. and trump's team predicts a delicate avalanche for him. he is hoping to lock up the nomination. super tuesday is nikki haley's last shot. president biden has no competition on the democrat side, but facing political

crippling new national poll numbers head of the state of union address on thursday of this week. take a look at these polls, all, again, and national. trump beats biden in a general election matchup. this "new york times" survey has speed at 48%, biden at 43%. that is trump's largest margin over biden since 2015. arguably worse for biden, fewer than half of democrats say he should be the nominee for their party. yet again, shrugging it all off. >> first what matters is how people vote, and we have consistently, as democrats come over performed in polls. >> harris: "the wall street journal" editorial board says all of this bad polling means panic time for democrats, adding, "worse is the public mood. only a quarter or fewer of americans think the country is moving in the right direction, and they think biden's presidency has done more harm than good." aishah hasnie, in beautiful

west palm beach, florida, with a beautiful look at the g.o.p. face-off. everything is beautiful because you are in florida. aishah? >> it is stunning, harris. good afternoon to you. i know you are envious, beautiful palm beach, florida. the supreme court ruling today has given the trump campaign even more wind in their sails. as if they needed anymore. they were in a pretty good spot until very confident going into tomorrow's super tuesday. again, saying they expect to wrap this up by next tuesday when they hit that delegate count of 1215. that's the goal. look at where they stand right now. trump has 244, he spoke to michigan, missouri, and idaho, far behind with 43 delegates. tonight north dakota and it's 29 delegates are up for grabs. as you mentioned, a lot of brand-new great polling for the

former president, pretty fired up about this one. he's gaining ground with voters, as well, like hispanic voters and black voters in these polls. nikki haley has a little more comfortable lead here, 50% to biden's 42%, outside the margin of error. also, trump is doing better with youth voters. you can see, against joe biden, he's at 51% to jill biden's 45%, and the top issue going into super tuesday, again, immigration and the economy. the economy is the number one issue here. here's what voters are telling fox in those super tuesday states. >> biden cannot beat trump. i don't think it's a possibility. >> i haven't made up my mind yet. >> if nikki doesn't win the nomination, hopefully she will go third party. >> so haley is not promising any wins on tuesday, so you might be wondering, if she cannot win, can she pick up enough delegates here and there to influence

trump perhaps at the rnc? can she be a bernie sanders type of person? to trump team doesn't think so. i'm told by sources that the trump camp has not yet reached out to team haley to cut a deal and get her to drop out before the rnc. they are very confident going into super tuesday that this is it. harris? >> harris: that's okay, answer to anything, especially "mom." but not from you. just my kids. thank you. another big concern from democrats, a huge excitement gap. a new poll finds only 23% of democrats are enthusiastic about president biden. twice as many say they are satisfied, that nearly half of republicans say they are enthusiastic about donald trump. the power panel now. tammy bruce, fox news contributor. jonathan caught, for joe manchin. great to have you both. jonathan, i will come to you first.

why are the people in your party not excited to vote for biden? >> we are excited to vote for biden. 900 people were surveyed. he had a historic last quarter of fund-raising, which is a way to sort of gauge how much people are excited. i would also point out that every time he over-performs polls, people come back and say, "what about the next poll?" >> harris: that's politics in the bay does that. but 900 people is respectable, to get that many people. second, it is always a snapshot periods of this snapshot now goes with the ingredients that are already cooking of many snapshots of how poorly he's been doing nationally and pulling. >> he was ahead into other national polls in the last couple of weeks. we won a special election in long island, we are winning every special election, every midterm election. he is outperforming the polls every time. >> he didn't win in long island. >> the democratic party running

on his message won in long island. so i would rather focus on that, if i were as concerned about it, then a poll. i'm not worried at all. see what i would like to focus on someone else, too. i get it. tammy? >> i would also caution my colleague and friend here that this is also in a dynamic where more than half of democrats don't want joe biden to run again, where you have, in these direction of the country polls, it is a staggering -- with "the wall street journal," they noted 75% of the people don't like the direction of the country, and that includes at least almost half is not a little more than half of democrats. 75% of independents. so these are things that, if you want to be able to overcome them, and understand you want to stick with your guy, but there is a reality across the board that these things fit into. so americans are beginning to look up, as we are in the primary season, and before and now we were into, and we are also finding that what the

white house has been saying has not been true on issues like inflation, when it comes to food and energy. those are not included in the core inflation rate. so americans are looking funny at what is happening, the world situation, world wars, the situation with israel, north korea, china, russia, ice is coming back, al qaeda coming back, and of course the border. so these are things that have to be able to overcome, and demonizing half the country now is not going to cut it. you can't just do that. and trump now has a decision with the supreme court that is more inspiring, but i would caution republicans, there are more decisions to come from the supreme court, and we should be prepared for some mixed decisions here. hopefully we won't, but i think donald trump is in the seat right now. >> harris: and that wisdom was applied earlier this hour by jonathan turley. he was dissecting and taking a look at where victories will come and where you might not win if you are donald trump.

so it's interesting. nothing in life is perfect. but you do want to have some wins on the board. jonathan, i haven't heard you ever say -- and, i mean, i've only been with you a few times and have watched you many -- i've never heard you call the other side names. i don't understand by leadership in your party, why they think that's a good idea. and i never will, because we debate all the time and we don't kill each other names. but anyway, "saturday night live" roasted president biden and his allies as concerns grow over his fitness for office. also mocking the narrative that biden is as sharp as a tack behind closed doors. i don't know if you've seen it. >> behind closed doors, joe's incredible. >> behind closed doors, he's a dynamo. >> behind closed doors come he is strong! joe got that grandpa monkey grin. >> behind closed doors, he's a whirlwind. look at his schedule. 7:00 a.m., soulcycle class. and i'm not talking about taking one, he leads it. [laughter] 8:30 a.m., play speed chess in

the park. 8:32 a.m., wins chess game, points at opponent and says "next time, youngblood." 9:30 a.m., made to the joint chiefs for a military strategy meeting and push-up contest. 10:00 a.m., went contest come a point at them and says "next time, youngblood." 10:00 to 11:00, train time. and that's all before lunch. >> harris: homeland secretary ellie hunter my focus -- sorry, i was laughing -- responded to the skit yesterday. >> time with joe biden like i have done, let me share something with you. i prepare a lot for meetings with him and engagements with him because he is remarkably detail-oriented, probing, and operationally focused. >> harris: tammy? >> behind closed doors. [laughs] the one winter here is "saturday night live," because they haven't been funny for

years. they were funny when i was a kid. that was a little while ago. but this is ridicule. comedy is a remarkably important political statement, and when you have lost "saturday night live," when they are ridiculing you, the audience in new york is laughing hysterically, that is another sign that things perhaps might be lost. >> harris: jonathan? >> i can only tell you what my former bosses who have met with him publicly and privately will say. he takes meetings long into the night, he is on top of everything, he's very detail-oriented, he's never had a note card in any one of those meetings, and i would say this, i would rather have a president who maybe has a stutter once in a while then one who spews conspiracy theories, racist nonsense, and has dinner with nazis. if given the choice between one of the other, i'm happy joe biden might misspeak once in a while when he's trying to name a present of a foreign country. >> harris: nobody's ever picked on him for his speech impediment. i have relatives who stutter. that's not the issue.

it's the acuity issue. real quickly, tammy? >> we just heard him call a number of republicans nazis and racist, so we can put them in the -- >> hold on, i didn't call republicans nazis. he had dinner with a nazi. tammy, exactly what i said. >> harris: we are going to have to let you go. i even said i had never heard you talk like that come and look, five seconds later i was wrong. >> desperation. >> harris: sadly. good to see you both. great discussion as always. thank you. of course we have special super tuesday coverage as the polls were closing tomorrow night. bret baier and martha maccallum will take us through the evening, beginning at 7:00 p.m. eastern right here on fox news channel. snc, for the cool kids. the u.s. is facing down growing dangers around the world. we cover it 24 hours a day. china, iran, north korea, and

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♪ ♪ >> harris: right now, america faces growing international threats and serious questions about the readiness of our armed forces. in december, defense secretary lloyd austin described a

dangerous time. >> we are living through challenging times, and that includes the major conflicts facing our fellow democracies, israel and ukraine. and bullying and coercion from an increasingly assertive china. in a worldwide battle between democracy and autocracy, from russia to china, from hamas to iran, arrivals and photos want to divide and weaken the united states. and to split us off from our allies and partners. so, at this hinge in history, america must not waver. >> harris: then secretary austin vanished for a secret hospitalization, even the white house didn't know where he was. we now know it was for medical reasons. he says he is able to lead again. well, he had better be. on the horizon for our great nation, the potential for

multiple foreign wars, threats, terror threats at home, and on our men and women stationed abroad, particularly in the middle east. increased aggression by china, the israel-hamas war, the iran nuclear threat, and proxy attacks on our u.s. troops and shipping vessels. the ukraine-russia war now entering you three. that happened last weekend. a border crisis putting our national security at risk. and north korea's escalating hostility. here is senator dan sullivan. >> biden cut defense spending by 25%. they wrecked readiness. i'm a ranking member on the readiness subcommittee and armed services. if you look around the world, you see chaos, and a lot of that in my view has been driven by the biden administration's weakness. >> when it comes to mission readiness, our military branches are struggling with recruitment

and morale is plunging. for a unique roundtable discussion, we are putting the military and focused today. lieutenant colonel danny davis, senator joni ernst, army combat veteran and member of the armed services committee, joey jones. you are neither one of those things. [laughs] those were your titles. although you are in the military. so that brought us all closer together. joey jones, retired marine bomb technician, and k.t. mcfarland is here come the former deputy national security advisor to president trump. i want to start with a special report from nate foy up on the mezzanine now. >> harris, after decades fighting terrorists in the middle east, the u.s. is now facing a more complicated military landscape. there is potential for war with china over taiwan, while an increasingly hostile russia and iran open the possibility of war on several fronts. >> russian president

vladimir putin threatens nuclear war if nato troops enter ukr ukraine. while iran's proxy forces attack u.s. troops nearly every day in the middle east, recently killing three u.s. service members and jordan. congress debates additional funding for ukraine and israel, while u.s. readiness for the next war is in question. >> we wanted to be able to do everything we wanted the middle east and europe and asia all at the same time. i don't think that can last forever. >> a main priority is countering china. the u.s. navy plans to expand its fleet to 355 ships, which is still smaller than china's current navy, according to leaked u.s. intelligence. china's shipbuilding capacity is 232 times greater than the u.s. china stores military assets on artificial islands in the south china sea. ahead of president xi jinping's 2027 deadline for a possible taiwan invasion. china and russia also have hypersonic missiles. russia used them in ukraine.

the u.s. will build in your defenses and that can stop hypersonic weapons. without it... nato countries and even the most advanced u.s. warships could be defenseless. the u.s. also faces a personnel problem. recruiting issues forced the army to restructure and cut its force by 24,000. >> we are competing in one of the toughest recruiting landscapes i have seen in over 33 years of service. this recruiting crisis certainly did not appear overnight and cannot be repaired overnight. >> that crisis forced the navy to drop its high school graduation requirement, and you can see right here, last fiscal year, the four main branches come only in the marines had their recruiting goal. the armies that were about 15,000 short. all this while iran increases to it's uranium stockpile, a short step away from weapons grade at 90%. the u.s. of course is a main nuclear power.

we still have a strong conventional deterrent, but our enemies are getting stronger. without a clear direction, our ability to manage the most important developments all across the globe is in question. harris? >> harris: great reporting as always. we appreciate that. again, on our expert military panel, retired lieutenant colonel danny davis, a senior fellow at defense priorities, iowa senator joni ernst, member of the senate armed services committee and army combat veteran, and joey jones is here, retired marine bomb tech and fox news contributor, along with k.t. mcfarland, former national security advisor under president donald trump. i'll tell you, it doesn't matter where we start, but i do want to start today with china. that number, when we got the 232 times greater capacity to build ships, china's navy has been our u.s. navy, you had a reaction. >> i did, because it is like they think they're going to need them or something. they are putting a lot of effort ahead of time into that.

the issue for the united states is not just that we don't have enough ships, we don't have enough manpower to man the ships. even if we got the capacity, we don't have enough manpower to man them, and that is maybe a bigger issue. >> harris: everybody just kind of jump in here. joey jones, the only branch that met its recurring requirements ffor the marines. >> in 2023 they met it by 21 bodies, so good for them. i could talk about why i think that is. when i joined the military, the army promised me a college degree. the air force promised me an occupation after service. in any promise me travel. the main course said, we don't think you have what it takes, but you can try. i think that's the difference. i have a quote here from the acting commandant speaking to congress, to the senate, saying the marine corps exists to fight and win back our nation's battles. the same fierce competitive spirit to win no matter the challenge. that's the mentality that will bring men and women to the military. they need to see a challenge. if you are bringing the bar down to them, what is the difference in going to college or the

military? why not feed into the american spirit rather than just believe it's gone? and i have more to say on the china stuff but i will leave it there. >> when i joined the army back in 1985 as a private, yeah, they offered some things like the college fund or whatever. that was nice, but i wanted to be able to step up and do the right thing. and they were hard on us back then. it's not the case today. i think that's why few people are joining. >> if i can share, as well, i think we all join for different reasons, but if you look at why recruiting is failing abysmally right now is because we have an administration that, instead of focusing on the things that joey just mentioned, the lethality and making sure that we have the mightiest military on the face of the planet, we have an administration that is entirely focused on ideology, and climate. we need electric vehicles in the military now? i'm sorry, i drove those roads

in iraq. there were no charging stations to be found. >> one thing i will say is, yes, this administration, if you hand them a hot potato, they let it ruin in their hands. but i talked to amber smith, a lot of you know who she is. an army veteran working in the trump administration, for the dod as a spokesperson. five years ago on a podcast she said recruitment was the greatest threat to our country. not an enemy, but our ability to keep our military. this is a multigenerational bipartisan problem. if you asked me, it goes back to a country that is so spoiled it rests on its laurels. how we focus on counterinsurgency for 20 years and said the pacific, they are fine, they can have a party in hawaii, well now the marine corps will be stood up for its future capabilities until 2030, but they just sold off artillery, tanks, to pay for it. so congress looks them and says, you need to fix a capability, and the commandant at the time goes and says, here's how we can pay for. we will sell all this off and get rid of that so we can be

ready to fight on islands in the pacific. this will take a seven years to get there. >> you can turn it around very quickly. when i joined the reagan administration we were in the same position. we had ships that couldn't sail because they didn't have parts, we had pilots that didn't have enough training hours to fly. for every tank we had that could work, we had one right next to it that we had to use for spare parts. reagan turned it all around, he got the defense bill, he went to the areas where we were behind in military capabilities, he also put that spirit back into the hearts of the american people. >> harris: so how did he do that? >> first of all, he loves america, and he increase their pay. he increased defense spending all the areas, he had technology advancements, but most of all he made people really proud to wear uniform. when i went to the pentagon, you are not allowed to wear the uniform because it looked too tough, too military. >> harris: at the pentagon,

which is military. >> i came in during that time, and -- [laughs] >> they hadn't warned them in years. >> but he inspired people to want to join and to be proud to be an american and put your life on the line potentially for your country. nearly everybody that joined up did the same thing. so there was a lot of pride in a lot of high standards. >> harris: let's get into what china is doing, and cnn was reporting this, others have reported through communications from the taiwanese government. so the cayman islands sit closer to china than they do actually to taiwan as a nation. but taiwan, those are their outer islands. china has been surrounding those islands, and recently, according to published reports, surrounded and boarded a tourist boat. they searched everybody. it wasn't clear if they would make it off that boat.

i mean, imagine being on it. why is china getting aggressive now? that his hands on. can imagine? >> they do the same thing with fishing vessels. what china is doing is they want to show the world, particularly taiwan, japan, korea, the u.s., that they have the ability to take any they don't make time they want. they don't want to fight, they just want to show you they can do it. and then, when there is a moment of opportunity, then they work out with taiwan, do you really want to go toward? you can't win a war with us. we don't win a warrior. unless we go nuclear. >> harris: i think i recognize that. it's called actual deterrence. >> it used to work. it doesn't work now. >> china will continue to probe in that area, but they will also continue to impede freedom of navigation through the south china sea. they will continue to engage and they will see exactly how far they can go before they get an

american reaction. they are going to continue on this path. they are going to stay at it. >> the most frustrating part is nothing about this is new. they have acted this way, provocative, pushing buttons for decades since before i was on this world. i look back and think, how can we not solve the iran problem for eight presidents? how can we not have an answer for china having literally fought a war in the pacific in understanding necessity of it? supersonic missiles is a capability that will be necessary in the future. china has them, russia has them. the u.s., a decade out at best. >> harris: why don't we have them? >> we didn't put any money at it. the chinese on the russians, hypersonic weapons. what were we doing? we were fighting forever wars in the middle east. we didn't need to fight. >> harris: everybody else caught up with us? >> they are way ahead of us. >> we are so focused on

counterinsurgency that we were in focus on these things. it makes me worry that congress, in my opinion, walking and chewing gum, i don't see that happen a lot. we didn't do it at the pentagon, either. we didn't fight for a war and prepare at the same time. didn't have the money, they've never passed an audit, so i think they have all the money in the world. they need to do better job. >> but the hypersonic weapons is a really big deal. because we don't have defense against it, we don't have the weapons to deter them, and if a conflict -- >> harris: do any of our allies? >> nobody has them. >> harris: only the enemies. that sounds like not just a missile gap, it sounds like mission urgency. to be ten years out -- >> even more so, we don't have the capability to cripple china by taking their grid out in a moment. but they have that over us. >> we had a great discussion this past week. we had the commander of strategic command, based out of the air force base in nebraska, in front of our armed services

committee this last week. we talked about those capabilities that should exist within our nuclear triad, and it is pretty alarming what you will hear even in open testimony coming from the commander on those areas of shortfall that we have. so here comes the political conundrum where you've got folks on the very far left and some even on the right that don't want to build up our military defenses. and these are defensive weapons to counter nuclear tactics coming from other nations. and to provide for our own cover. we are unwilling as a public right now and through representation in congress to put the money where our mouth is. we absolutely need to do that for the defense of our nation. >> if i could say, what compounds that from being a solution is that we want to do everything all over the place. we want to stay forever in the ukraine war, we want to keep -- >> harris: that was my next

question, because i want to get to that. when americans hear that we need more money, we need more money, but we are actually deployed in several places and now taking income, they ask what the money was for, now we are getting hit. talk to me about ukraine. that, again, is where the money issue comes up. what is the bottom line? >> it is also where the equipment issue is, because we are drawing down from our own forces to give to ukraine. >> according to dod statistics, over 5,000 military vehicles alone from the united states. and that is on top of the millions of rounds of ammunition that have been going, the air defense interceptors, all of those things -- >> harris: can we continue that? >> we can't, without seriously degrading our ability to defend ourselves if we get into sustained war. >> what you said, just real quickly, it would take more than money. it takes time. >> exactly. >> the consensus is the monday

they want to send is 1% of our defense spending. it's presented to us as a heck of a deal. 1% of our defense spending to ukraine, to take the russian threat away from us, and we will be in a better place. that's a good deal. i can get a good deal on a volkswagen beetle, but if i need a truck, that good deal on the volkswagen beetle doesn't help me. spew out so who's the truck and he was the vw in that scenario? >> [laughs] >> tell them to increase the defense spending by whatever they have less 1% and see how much arguing happens. when it's billions of dollars, 1% still matters. one piece that would fix the marine corps problem a lot quicker, but we can't get that money right now. >> the 1 percent doesn't mean ukraine wins. the 1% is just a whole a date where it is. a stalemate. >> harris: so it stays right where it is. >> it's a war of attrition, and who wins? >> harris: i may it be the loan person , but i do think we can support

ukraine. i take a nuanced view at this, where a lot of that spending goes to humanitarian support in ukraine to pay for teacher pensions, small businesses. i am okay with sending munitions, as long as we can produce those munitions. >> harris: we are running short on time, if you can believe it, because we had a long conversation. bottom line is not whether or not we support ukraine. we support people all over the world. our hearts are with them. the bottom line is, can we win? and that means help them win. >> bottom line, harris -- >> we can't win. >> well, with this president, because we need the commander in chief that is willing to show the american people how the ukrainians are going to win. we need a strategy -- >> harris: i haven't heard anybody say that. >> nobody things begin win it. >> as we saw was president reagan and president trump companies wars like what's happening in ukraine, you and them before they happen. that's why we should try to win

what's happening. >> harris: we talked early on, senator, day two of the war, a conflict between russia and ukraine, that we needed to do more at the beginning. and we didn't do enough. all right, i hate to do it, we've got to go. i want to say thank you to military and focus, our very first round table on a discussion like this. thanks for being here. thank you for watching. "outnumbered" is next. all with the world's smallest and thinnest sensor. manage your diabetes with more confidence and lower your a1c. try it for free at freestylelibre.us. (vo) welcome to lobsterfest. is your party ready? ready to tango with tails on tails on tails? try lobster lover's dream with two lobster tails and lobster & shrimp linguini. it's one of ten next-level lobster creations. but lobsterfest won't last, so hurry in.

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