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president donald trump. alvin bragg's office attempting to punch back and has issued a top response to republicans demanding that he testify before congress and turn over documents related to his investigation into the former president. his spokesman telling fox news digital, we will not be intimidated by attempts to undermine the justice process. for will we let baseless accusations deter us from fairly applying the law. and every prosecution, we follow the law without fear or favor to uncomfortable the truth. our skilled and honest lawyers remain hard at work. fox news is learning that grand jury will hear from another witness tomorrow as part of the investigation into a hush money payment made to president trump's former attorney, michael cohen, to adult film star stormy daniels in 2016. so much to unpack here. for those of us that haven't been listing under a rock, the

response by bragg's office that they consider this a commitment to justice as every one else around them bleeds under their watch. >> and bragg said he's by the book and politics averse. that's a different universe as well, this is someone that does not apply the law the way you just described or the way that statement describes. everybody understands that. i was thinking about this. there's a whole array of legal trouble for former president trump and there's varying degrees of seriousness only solve of these potential charges coming down the pike in new york, georgia, the federal investigations. if this comes first as an indictment and seems likely, could that have from the trump perspective of legitimacy? this is clearly political and i argue an abuse of office given

bragg's mo. the first domino to fall is not legitimate and could be politics. in georgia you had the weird foreperson on the grand jury that was obviously partisan. in the federal investigation, one aspect of that is classified documents. where the current president has his own problems. you can almost see how the trump people would respond to any number of future indictments. i think their task in terms of pushing back would be made easier if alvin bragg moves first with this garbage. >> that's the point that we spoke about yesterday, is it an onion headline. thanks for putting trump in office, d.a. bragg. it's so laughable and unserious that it's difficult to take it as again this pursuit of true justice as he says. kayleigh, in terms of the laughability of the dominoes as they play out is the lack of objectivity coming out of that office, especially when you bring in mark pomerance in to

play here. he's one of two investigators that resigned in protest after when alvin bragg joined office or appointed in office in 2022. he resigned in protest. he said there's nothing more to investigate. everybody has declined to pros cute. and pomerance was brought from a law firm, he's not a prosecutor. a law firm that chuck schumer's brother practices at and a heavy donor to hillary clinton. so in terms of the deck being stacked, it's not an objective prosecutor pursuing justice to begin with. >> no doubt. they called this case a zombie case in the da's office. why? as you point out, sdny didn't bring the case. and the sec commissioner shed doubt on the case. the prior d.a. did not bring the case. pomerance had interest in it.

what would the interest be of alvin bragg to bring forward a case that was not on firm foot something why would you bring a case that you're going to lose? i can't get in alvin bragg's head but i can postulate two motives. one is this pomerance individual, what happened to pomerance? when he resigned in protest. i want to take down trump and you wouldn't let me. and jonathan turley said that he was an instant success in the media that spent years highlighting criminal theories that were never charged against trump. pomerance follow linked trump to any crime. it was like a heroin hit for an audience and the campaign worked. he caved. so if alvin bragg brings this case, he's a national political figure. he wants to run for governor of new york. man, he's posturing himself well to do that in blue new york. we're toldpy "the new york times" that he's not interested

in political calculations. he would be the first politician that is not interested in that. possible motive number 2, kathy hochul gets tired of crime in new york and says alvin bragg, you're out the door. this insulates him from being fired by the governor of new york. you can't fire the guy that indicted trump. >> it's so ironic. governor hochul sent a letter to the d.a. >> when lee zeldin was running for governor, a lot of us were hoping that he would win because he would remove alvin bragg to the office. he's a danger to the city. he doesn't care about criminal justice reform. it's the radical d.a. orthodoxy that has infected the country. i think this case, a misdemeanor like a cut and dry misdemeanor that he's upgraded to a felony is just a distraction from how

horribly he's doing. everybody has a phone and a camera on them at all times. people are savagely beaten in broad day lights by multiple suspects that know they're not going to get charged in bragg's new york. you can try to distract. i wish he had the same urgency prosecuting violent crimes, crimes against asian americans, crimes against jewish people that he does prosecuting a former president. >> that's right. it's difficult to stomach in light of that, in light of what you were saying, the four arenas that the former president is being investigated under. each one lessens the virtue of the other when taken into account all of these factors everybody has been mentioning. >> so it begs the question, if you're going to posture a case against trump, why would you start with the biggest loser? why would you start with a case that technically isn't a crime in the state of new york? maybe hush money is in other places but it's not here. maybe an nda wouldn't stand

anywhere else, but it stands here. you know, just in terms of the witness -- i know we saw what attorneys will call an impeachment witness with the former attorney, robert costello going before the grand jury yesterday and saying michael cohen, a key witness is a liar. he is that. he can't be trusted. he can't be. he's stating the obvious. i don't know if that helped in the trump case or not. sort of brought up again how weak this case is if it's based on a liar. if all of it is based on somebody that in any other circumstance might not trust their evidence. so why would you start with this particular case? is it because it really isn't the worst of them and this is the best that you got? yeah, may put alvin brag -- i don't think trump will get indicted. the case is too weak and makes alvin bragg looks like he's got bad judgment. he's not concentrating on crime. it's a shiny object away from

where he's failing. all of that. let's pretend that it goes forth and the came goes nowhere. where toes that leave? trump can fund raise off of it. make him even bigger. i don't know that you get the spectacle that you're hoping for that is positive as alvin bragg. it's a powder keg. what if kathy hochul says if that's how you're doing to spend the money, is she too afraid because, you know, maybe democrats will like him because he went against trump. i don't know how strong those ties are. they're yolk to the wrong thing. concentrate on your citizens. >> he's apolitical. politco and "the new york times" say it. >> it's amazing how they don't see him. they see someone else. >> it reminds me of the brightest stars of the moment. they burn themselves out like

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>> that was ted lasso learning what it's like to deal with an aggressive press corps. it's not easy, ted. trust me. i would know. when the cast of ted lasso

joined the white house briefing to promote mental health, things got, let's say, heated. watch. >> no, no, no. we're not doing this. we're not doing this. [inaudible] >> there's some people in the briefing room. you don't like them -- >> you have a choice. you have a choice -- >> i'm saying that that's not right. this is not china. this is not russia. this is the united states. this is the white house. >> the rest of us are here too,

pal. [talking over each other]. >> if you have grievances, bring to to her. the press corps is tired of dealing with this. >> that reporter sparring with karine jean-pierre is simon atiba for "today news africa." he explains his reasoning for calling out the press secretary when he spoke to tucker carlson. >> i've done all the right things. i've not been called on. i've gone to the office to seek a meeting. she said she will meet with me next year. i've sent questions about the nigerian election, about the problems, challenges in africa. and they've not called on me. even as the vice president goes to africa, jill biden goes to africa. we receive 50 aftrican leaders n washington d.c. the guy that covers the white house, the african guy that covers the white house is looked

down upon. i'm black, i'm african. i don't have money. they look down on me. i don't have the opportunities that they have. and they don't treat me the same way. >> you know, harris, every press secretary, republican or democrat, deserves respect, deserves to have a chance to bring the message of their administration to the american people. i will say, i think that what you saw from simon ateba is more routine. i can name any number of people, the playboy that shouting at me. while he might have a legitimate grievance, i don't agree with his tactic of shouting down the press secretary. >> so your graciousness shows through. they were tough on you. it was not the way you did your job. they made it personally. that was disgraceful of them. what you didn't see for either

review is press secretaries for republican white houses is that you didn't see the white house press corps as you said being around you and saying no, that's not how we want to be prep sented. for simon, i get his points. he wants to be called on. he's in the room. when the press corps is united against you saying you're showing disrespect, that's not how you get it done. you know what you get? attention but you don't get change. the kind of change he may get, is she answers fewer and fewer questions. as an american public who are best served by us being able to freely and open questions, whether she brings celebrities why her like yesterday or not, the topic of mental health was important. when he so sucks the oxygen in the room and makes it personal like his twitter feed, it keeps the rest of us from doing our jobs. that doesn't serve the people we're supposed to serve. i don't know who he is trying to serve but doesn't serve the

american people. >> so well-said. soaking up the oxygen in the room. i know some really good reporters and you wouldn't know their names because they never made the story about themselves. they always brought a good research policy question to the briefing but you did have the reporters that seem to make careers in the trump era over having a lack of decorum and they spun off a brand. >> one comes to mind. i won't name him. he's on the weekend somewhere. can't quite remember his name, kayleigh. i do wonneder from your perspective, would this approach pay dividends? if he's goal is to get called on to get his questions answered seems like that is less likely because of that show that he sort of put on yesterday. >> no, it wouldn't pay div dividends. he said for seven months he wendt to the press secretary's office. he asked about nigerian elections. the first lady came to the

continent of africa. he does bring serious policy questions in a way that lets say those very loud reporters didn't flood my inbox. it was about testimony camera and what they would take back to their networks. >> my question would be, he said i have -- my e-mails have gone unanswered? what is the recourse? i agree when you make it about yourself, you lose the support. so perhaps there was a moment that he could have disengaged far before when he did. maybe he thought i have no other options. when are you going to listen to me if not in front of my peers? my question to you would be what would he -- if he's e-mails go unanswered, what would be an appropriate next step? >> you raise an important point,

kennedy. as a reporter, you're in the briefing room. you can go to lower press. that's where my junior level aides would ask. ask them a question. you can go to upper press. people that would sit outside my door. if you need to go to a meeting, say i have to go to a meeting. he exhausted his options. the white house correspondents -- >> did they ever bribe you can doughnuts? i would do that. i would have found a way to make it into your heart so you'd answer my questions at these important moments. maybe he hates ted lasso. eddie lawrence from fox business did a great job maintaining composure, taking notes, keeping decorum. i want to give him a shout out. he's a wonderful reporter. sometimes it's not racism. sometimes people are just

annoying. >> there you go. >> the white house correspondent's association -- >> i wish kennedy could say that five more times. >> it's so sad. so many things nowadays, people scream racism and they -- >> the white house does. worse than jim crow. jim crow 2.0. >> the white house correspondent's association -- i would hope -- i don't know. i would hope that they had a good relationship with you. that's important. that really is the liaison between -- i know we had a president under trump that didn't want to have the dinners. that's not why you have the dinners. you have the dinners -- the relationship between the upper press and yourself and the white house correspondent's association should be firm, open and transparent. >> and it should have never gotten to that point. waka should have demanded an answer to the answer on nigerian

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>> police in houston have arrested two teens in connection with a vicious robbery that left a mom of three paralyzed. that assault caught on camera. we want to warn you, each time we show this, how hard the video is to watch. if there's young ones with you, they have a moment to step away, this is surveillance footage showing one of the suspects grabbing the woman from behind. picking her up and slamming her to the ground. you know you're defenseless then. then he takes off from the

scene. the woman had taken money out of an atm and the suspect's follows her for some 24 miles to that shopping center where they attacked her. police say she was a victim of jugging. when criminals follow their victims to another location after they visit an atm meaning someone can be attacked anywhere at any time. emily, i don't know that you need a special category of crime to go after these guys. jugging. i don't know what -- does it matter? what is this? to me, this is attempted murder. >> yeah, you can pros cute them on many existing laws. the issue is that violent crime is trending upwards. it's exacerbated by social media and other factors to terrify and paralyze our community literally and figuratively speaking. we know in d.c. where you list that 67% of arrests are not

prosecuted. that's up from 31% in 2016. so in the span of the last five years, 76% of arrests are not pros prosecuted. >> why? >> it's a lot of factors. the crime labs have lost a creditdation. it's a whole host of things. that's why when people are faced with these logans on signs outside of a window that criminal justice reform now, bail reform now, the reality is that every decision made by an elected official, every piece of legislation that passes has an impact on the police department and law enforcement's ability 0 to prosecute and investigate crimes. when you defund the police, you no longer have resources to investigate cold cases, to investigate perps. you're losing boots on grounds

over time. we just learned in this city we paid overtime $100 million overbudget because there wasn't anyone there to begin with. they had to use overtime. it's all of these factors that stream and slew out from the woke left and the democrats' horrible lack of leadership and the horrible lack of foresight because every one of these things is predictable. >> when you say the $100 million over time overflow, which is i mean dangerous and ridiculous because you have people working three shifts in a row, no wonder they're leaving and the suicide rate is up. >> yes, exactly. >> make a point about d.c. i saw a report that there was another one of these incidents where people are having clothes stolen off of them. the police in d.c. have warned people not to wear expensive coats in winter. >> your canada goose. >> people are getting mugged --

>> what do we wear? >> people are getting their clothes taken off of their bat sometimes at gun point. you just have to step back. you have the police department in the capitol city of the united states of america telling residents not to wear they winter coats in the winter because you have these roaming criminals that are stealing clothes from people. the city council is trying to figure out how to reduce criminal penalties and extending the voting rights in d.c. to noncitizens. it's mad making. >> how did we get to the marriage of hunger games and mad max? >> this is their version of utopia. this is like the best of all worlds. people are realizing in d.c., los angeles, seattle, portland, they don't want that. their quality of life is so diminished. when you have to worry about your personal safety to the point that you can't wear a coat and when it's cold. you know, i looked at these two

perps in houston and i think about the institutions that failed them to this point. the houston school district is going be taken over by the state of texas because they have been failing. the kids are seen as disposable, they go out, become criminals and human beings are totally disposable. it a failure on so many levels. we have to get back in touch with our humanity. that is unfortunately a very difficult thing. i don't have an easy answer for that. it certainly is the root of the problem. >> kayleigh, when people were saying, oh, we're tired of the mean tweets from former president trump. we're going for biden a guy who has a history of showing his heart with the loss of family members, so on and so forth. how would you categorize where we are now and what is important to get us to go forward? >> lawless and anarchy. i was stunned by what you said, guy. i lived in dc until the end of

2020. to think i haven't been back in awhile, i wendt for a brief trip, to think you couldn't wear your winter coat? i remember coming to new york city and it was 2021 and i felt unsafe. it was during the covid lockdowns. you couldn't walk the street. guy to florida, lowest crime rate in 50 years. it shows conservative policies work. we don't need new criminal laws. we need them enforced. when you enforce them like my governor has, you see results. >> a quick follow to that. people will say the spring break stuff is breaking off in your state right now. i have seen your governor desantis get involved in everything. is he going to miami? >> i wouldn't put it past him. captain firm. >> i'd like to go to miami. >> all right. coming up, a democratic lawmaker says some parents are not qualified to make school choices for children. parents. pay attention.

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. ♪ >> welcome back. a proposed bill in georgia aims to give parents more say in their children's education. it would give scholarships totalling $6,000 a year to parents of children in the state's worst performing schools to cover tutoring or transportation to other schools, a georgia democratic state lawmakers says some parents are not qualified to make decisions about their children's schooling because they don't have high school diplomas. watch. >> the access is a problem. i see parents being able to direct their child's education

and they are ready in the lower 25 percentile. they could not finish their own education. i'm extremely concerned that we would put money in their hands in that entire piece of life in the hands of parents who are not qualified to make those decisions. >> kennedy, i found that such a disheartening and frankly ugly thought to be articulated by that state representative and it reminded me of what thomas sewell when he explained in 1981 exactly why it didn't matter if parents weren't educated for them to make a knowledgeable educated decision about their children's future. >> you will have no greater stake in any human being than your child. if you are the product of a failed educational system, you

will fight like hell to make sure your child, your learner, has a better life an more opportunities than you had. that is so incredibly condescending and classless. so for whatever reason, if people didn't finish high school, it doesn't matter. the investment that they have, the natural gifts that have been put in them by god, the love that they have for their child, that will always exceed whatever the state thinks that they can project upon your family. shame on that woman for trying to make that flimsy argument that is so patently offensive. >> guy, if anyone had any doubts about whether there's an elitism baked into this country's educational system, that right there should persuade them differently. >> i would love to send this lawmaker on tour with randi weingarten to every city in the country speaking on behalf of the teacher's unions.

there wouldn't be a better billboard than those two together. disgusting arrogance all the way down. these parents are too stupid to understand what is good for their own children. we know. let's keep them trapped in the failing school. we're such geniuses. it's insulting on its face and counter productive. i hope she says it again and louder and louder and parents listen. >> i love what kennedy said. that that investment that you would make in your child's future with great decision making is because you know that what doesn't work and you weren't the beneficiary of what could work. you would have a dream bigger than them. and you're only acting in that regard. these teachers are in a union. maybe we need a parent's union to take us more seriously. i volunteer to be the loudest one in the room. i'm sure that doesn't shock you. seriously, when you are fighting for your child, that's a lot different than fighting for a union and fighting for status

quo with more cash. i would say this. if you haven't read senator tim scott's book, read it. he talks about being raised in a situation that might have had challenges with his mom. look where he is now. a u.s. senator in south carolina. might run for president. and he credits her. >> yeah, 2023, the notion that we're still having to defend our serves as parents, as autonomous choice makers. why a parent should have a say without having to prove to a system that my degree doesn't define me? that is heart breaking. >> disgusting. adding to your list of incredible people that went on to be great successes that came from challenging situations. dr. ben carson. >> another, yes. >> gifted hands. his mom cared about him, loved him. he went on to be a brain surgeon and separate the first conjoined twins. this is what the left thinks of

your parenting and your children. this remind me of terry mccaluough. the president said they're not somebody else's children. they're like yours when they're in your classroom. no, president biden, my child is never my teacher's. they play an important role in my child's life but the left needs to understand, don't come between momma bear and her children. you're signing up for a big loss in you do. see terry mccaulough. coming up, "usa today" is out for nominees for women of the year. they're supposed to acknowledge women that made big accomplish meants in their community. a transgender is tops on the list. that's next. ♪

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♪ >> john roberts never needs to stop. "usa today" has their women of the year. one of them is minnesota state representative leigh thinky, the

41-year-old lawmaker has been on the job for 2 1/2 months. she's the first trans individual elected to the state legislature. kennedy, i just wonder what will ever be left for biological females be it on the athletic realm or others. >> there were compelling stories on this list. i went and looked through. there's people that you normally wouldn't hear of and "usa today" did a good job of finding people, particularly a lot of native women that worked combatting poverty and homelessness. i don't want to take away from that list. i'm not on the list, which i'm a little surprised about. >> we all were. >> i've been on 14 years running. >> you should have been on it. >> i'm not a biologist so i can't comment on this specifically, kayleigh. >> you and ketanji brown jackson.

michelle obama also on the list. what does it take for a conservative women? >> we don't want to take away from these women but that's what that placement did. every day, all day, we see these underserved communities in these challenging times, how many women and men out there of all records, how many humans are doing such good work, trying so hard day after day without recognition. you have a platform like "usa today" and you are looking for the angels looking tirelessly to lift up others, i wish it was for those reasons. >> the representative guy, she said as an elected, i recognize i just got there. so why are you getting an award? >> president obama got a nobel peace prize for doing nothing. that's what this is. there's people that deserve the

credit. biological women that deserve that credit. this is not about actual achievement or accomplishment it seems as this individual seems to admit in that comment, this is about there's a culture war, there's a big controversial around trans issues so let's make a statement. that's fine. it's clearly that's what they're doing here, right? >> yeah, reminded me of the nobel peace prize situation. apparently someone on the board of that decision making said 2019 when obama got it was the most controversial year. >> the asterisks about hair texture, skin color, in this case, transgender. if it were not so, it would have been she was the best woman of the year. but it wasn't. it was the box checking that you mentioned that is the foot note that is the headline. nobody says the names of anybody else like mitchell obama. but everybody else on the list

as kennedy mentioned, where are their headlines for doing fantastic things? you're right. leigh acknowledges it. i haven't been here that long. how unfortunately that her merits didn't make it. we don't know what those are because she's not been doing it long. >> wait till someone takes the office and does something before you give an award. just common sense. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. veteran homeowners, have you looked at the interest rates on your credit cards lately? get ready for a shock. the rate on credit cards is now over 22%. if you want to save hundreds of dollars every month, pay off the balances on your high-rate cards with a lower rate va home loan from newday usa and get the financial peace of mind every veteran deserves.

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not everybody is on board with going dutch. a new study shows that one-third of americans don't think the bill should be split evenly if the meals did not cost the same. respondents also say dividing the check with friends can be unfair and uncomfortable. kennedy. >> if you eat or drink more than someone else, then pay the tip, that's fine. everyone split it, it is easier for your server to split the bill three ways and then just cover more of the tip if you eat or drink more. but if you don't want to pay all the bill, or your part of the bill, i'm amenable to that, and thank you in advance. >> emily. >> it becomes unfair and uncomfortable if the person is. you go in there and everyone, you know, the friend that just lost their job, we've got you tonight. and i don't drink, and everyone else is doing bottom less mimosas, take into account. true friends and dinner companions take into this, i have the tip, i had the whole pitcher or 20 perfect, right, common sense.

>> so what if you are on a date and your date orders steak or whatever and you have like a little blade of lettuce. i mean, are you -- and you have agreed you are going to split the bill but should you split it evenly. >> if you are going to start picking the bill apart on your first date you are doomed. i endorse what the ladies said, but just overall, especially after the age of, let's say, 30, just split it evenly. >> amen. >> please, and we can, you can make some side deals but doing all the math on the envelope to figure out exactly, it's absurd. >> that's college. i have not had a first date in 20 years, i've been married too long. >> emily said it best, a good dinner may take into account the scenarios. if you are in college and you go to a swanky restaurant and your roommate orders caviar -- >> college is different. >> even out of college, you are not making much and the factors

that go into it, but as you get older and take peers or younger people out to dinner, i like to cover the whole bill. i'm taking care of you, my dad took care of me. >> and don't go to a restaurant if you cannot afford a tip. if it's above your pay grade, advocate for yourself and go somewhere you can all afford. >> and if you can't be that transparent, you are not with a group of friends. speaking about being with a friend, if you need some legal advice, or if you need to spend a really good hour, i've been watching on all hour, fox true crime podcast is available on foxnewspodcast.com, if you wait a day until they come out, every tuesday, today is the day, so i watch them on wednesday when they hit youtube. >> the guys that took down pablo

escobar, this is hearing the perspective from the two of them, explosive, incredible. part two on thursday and watch on youtube, thank everyone. >> sandra: i can't wait, and i bet their stories are -- >> gripping, yes, yes. >> thank you for watching and when you can't, dvr us. we'll be sitting here no matter what. "america reports" next. >> john: begin with the fox news alert, the pentagon set to hold a briefing amid fresh concerns adversaries are teaming up for a new global order. china brokered a surprising peace deal in the middle east while expanding influence in latin america and africa. minutes ago, russia and china signing an agreement to expand their economic ties. >> sandra: it's a big deal. what does the white house need to do to stop this tea